You say that Ascendance of a Bookworm has little to no wish fulfillment, how dare you assume that I don't wish to live my life as a poor medival peasant!
With a constant magic fever that nearly takes your life every day? I mean to each their own but I can't see that being many peoples cup o tea, especially since under most circumstances Main (or you) would've definitely died given the class barrier. But like...it's magic so I guess it's worth it
@@swwetsour7697 tbh I'd rather be physically sickly to the point of constant exhaustion while also having the means to rise through the class system than be an able-bodied peasant. I haven't read light novels, but I'd be willing to bet that by the end her "peasant" family will have nicer living conditions than the average noble class
@@frimi8593 Yeah I get that but the thing is she has the determination and the motivation to fight through the sickness, and was lucky enough to make noble friends before the side effects flared up too bad. She also had a means to rise because of her knowledge on plant based paper from before being Main. While it's not impossible, I believe that the average person (if they were brought into the same situation as Main) would not be as lucky.
It reminds me of the Christmas prince where the main characters allies have her color scheme slowly leak into their wardrobe so you can tell who’s mains friend and who’s not it’s such a cool detail
sad thing is Dr. Stone DOES go into the more domestic/feminine technologies in the manga. It's all there in detail. They chose to gloss over it in the show
@@luizy6701 No, domestic as in things done in the home as crafts or delicate handiwork that's associated with women. Like the creations of fabric, sewing, sewing pattern and clothing. And cooking, the way we choose to put together ingredients and things we find to get anything of nutritional value. How we get pots, pans and other utensils. Feminine technologies are usually the technologies that provide for basic needs we don't usually think about in the home. It shouldn't be watered down to washing machines.
"The noble class owns most of the wealth, and the rest of the fiefdom have limited rights and work to support people they basically never see" I thought this was a fantasy series, not a slice of life.
@@jinolin9062просто это одно из не многих произведений где создан мир который может существовать . для творца очень сложно создать мир в который можно поверить в его существование. Во многих исекаях где есть гильдии герой чуть ли ни сразу имба . а тут пример того что даже для борьбы с монстрами нужны знания и определённые навыки. Тут нет окон системы или показателей с перками . исекай где нет игровых элементов легче воспринимать . есть исключение "апофеоз демона" там где эта условность приемлема иза особенности истори .
Fun fact: Myne IS a self insert, at least in a way. The author of Bookworm is sickly, had the tendency of passing out when she got excited and is someone who gets excited for the "weirdest" of things. Also, Ferdinand, also known as the blue robed high priest is pretty much the ideal man for the author. But that's it. Bookworm teached me that a self insert can work on a story as long as the character is good. And I also recommend checking the Light novels, they're great and the first one is 100% free in J-novel club (the page that does the official translation of Bookworm). I love the light novels even tho I didn't really like the anime for subjective reasons so you can imagine just how good they are. Also, can confirm that the author is female. Is mentioned in the Q&A books and had been confirmed by the English translator of the LN, who has direct conversations with Miya. How can we know for sure? Well, her husband is always her first proof reader and she started writing after giving birth to her daughter. So yeah, Miya is a she.
@@ShermanWilliamsVideo although super gross, the anime takes place in the olden days where young girls would marry old men,, the references are just realistic and since they’re references, i don’t think they’re actually shown (i neever watched the anime) so it probably isn’t that problematic do wish it was addressed in the video though
@@ShermanWilliamsVideo The reason I didn’t mention it in the first two seasons of bookworm is because the child marriages WEREN’T framed as a good thing. It was a terrible option that Myne literally refused and choose to die instead of doing that, and Freida was basically forced into. However… yeah, I don’t really like the direction bookworm went in. When I made this video I had no idea that Myne would end up with the priest character when she got older. I 100% thought she was going to end up with Lutz. I did not actually ending up reading the light novels after I learned that, but like....it is not a comparable situation to the framing in Dragon Maid at all.
@@Noralities it's not child marriage since they cant marry until be legally adults. 15 might be look too young to be considered adult, but nobody ever marry before that and usually not less than a year later. In real world people marry at 9, this is child marriage.
I think when self inserts are based on specific people, like the writer, they can still be good and enjoyable characters. But a lot of anime self inserts are based on a broad "average, otaku guy" which gets pretty boring. Like Usagi and Minako are both author self inserts in sailor moon and are largely liked, but characters like the MC in diabolik lovers are meant to be a broad self insert for the female audience in general, and are largely disliked.
I think I truely vibed with Ascendance because it was refreshing to see an anime with a loving family. You noted how much Gunther and Effa care for their children and Tulli being a fantastic big sister is so endearing. Additionally, the "lack of male gaze" as you put it makes the content easier to watch. As I've aged I become more uncomfortable with a lot of anime because of how it often it lewds characters that are minors. All this is besides the fact that Ascendance is just a fantastic story that I recommend to all my friends and family as a show with heavy themes, but light enough to help "wind down" with at the end of the day.
I super highly recommend the light novels, the official translation is fantastic and it has tons of extra scenes and details that had to be left aside for the anime. I bought every volume and barely slept for a month cause I was too strongly hooked.
100% agree with you. It doesn't even have to be minors, just sexualises females, period. SAO had an interesting premise. And it was watchable, until alfheim. For me at least. That's also the arc they introduced incest in so... you know. I would love to watch a remark of that without that "male gaze" Heck I might just write my own. I'm an author dammit, I can do whatever I want!
Gosh there is such a powerful moment in Ascendance of a Bookworm that just hits so hard to me.... Like at the beginning of the 2nd arc, there was a scene of her meeting the church orphans. She passed out from the horrible imagery, and when she comes to it hits her hard. When alive and hearing about starving children in Africa, she gave it little to no thought because it's "out of her control", and even when going to charities she doesn't particularly care if her donations help the kids or not. But now, with actual starving children right at her doorstep AND her being able to help, the guilt eats her alive. She even contemplates spending all her hard earned gold to help those kids because she realized in her old life she was a hypocrite using donations and distance as an excuse to put everything not books aside. It kills her that even with all the gold she has she can't change something inherent in the system, and if she's gone it will all be back to where it was. Her resolution to fight against systemic evil is very endearing, and she doesn't even win most of the time, because in politics you kinda have to compromise. The audience grows with her and because of her. Definitely why Bookworm is only one of the few multi-Konosugoi 1st place winner alongside Haruhi.
yeah the ascendance of a bookworm has bretty good vibe, but I hardly can belive that just 3 years ago this channel had only 1k subscribers and now there is over 100k subscribers.
That is not really truw I love the show but the one thing I dislike about it is how Mine always conforms to the system unless the option isn't on the table Like she doesn't even try to argue with ferdinant about helping other kids like her because it would be to "disruptive" dispite the obvious benefits the church could get from it and we can't have a proper discussion because questioning the nobles to mutch would make her future adoptive parents look bad
One thing I love about Dr Stone though is that the real action is in the building than the fights. With the climaxes being inventions, and slow emotional moments that make people feel supported and loved by the efforts of their ancestors to give them things like antibiotics, glasses, music.
The only reason why I like dr. Stone. I absolutely love the building part and that’s why one of my favourite characters is Kaseki. He's simply a wise old man that loves his passion. Making things from scratch and getting excited about it is all I’m living for.
The light Novel also point real early Myne knows she'll die with her sickly body if she doesn't do something about her home's hygiene issues, hence why she doesn't stop with shampoo but use the basic chore of sweeping her home as an exercise to build strength (two birds with one stone) and teaches her's big sister the importance of regular washing
@Erwin Lii I think the difference between myne and the average male shonen hero is that all the 'boring housework/every day life maintenance like cooking gathering etc' for the man is never acknowledged, bc we're socialised around "behind every successful man, is a woman" aka behind every shone hero, is a woman doing all the boring everyday stuff so he can go fistfight god or whatever 🙄😅 while myne actually has to do all the work herself, partly because that's the point of her story, but also because of her age and gender; that's her job within the society/household/friendgroup, much like small scenes in Avatar the last airbender where katara is sewing or cooking in the background of a shot while aang/sokka/etc are Doing Important Things in the foreground 😶
What people fail to understand is many of the skills that Myne has wasn't actually feminine, it was skills used and needed by *all*. The idea that they are feminine is a very modern one.
@@fancy4663 yeah, and that's a bad thing. Now people lack the basic skills because they're deemed too feminine. The reason they were attributed to women in the first place is because men's time was deemed more valuable then women's. And it's a bit ridiculous. Especially that now people need to pay others for something that they can easily do themselves if they just learned how.
Well, as an European I might say to yoy that gender roles where different in the middle ages, but what is for men or for women was more strict than nowadays. So, they are feminine things that were femenine and masculine things that were masculine.
@@pablogomez903 and might I say that as a European myself, that while many things were gendered and women did have to do a lot of the house work. Men did in fact know how to sew, especially considering not all of them had wives or lived with their wives.
My grandmother taught me that sewing is a huge necessity to life, I find it degrading and despicable to see it hated or viewed as a girly thing. It's like I'm not allowed to stitch or sew or even work in fashion design.
it doesn’t matter even if it was a girly thing, there’s nothing wrong with loving girly things as well even tho nothing is “girly” every hobby is gender neutral
Just going to this point out... Name 5 top fashion designers if you can. How many of them are men? Men might get flak for getting into sewing and fashion on a non-professional level, but they practically the actual fashion industry. Same with chefs.
I see Dr. Stone more as a celebration of humanity's progress. The series's progression is dependent on what very specific item Senku makes next as an answer to a very specific problem. Dr. Stone makes me appreciate the complicated things we take for granted in our modern world. Bookworm makes me appreciate the simple things that we take for granted in our modern world.
Definitely. Dr. Stone's appeal is because of the bizzare absurdity that each new invention/development brings to the table. As I like to describe it, its so stupidly smart lol
What I also think is incredible is how the process gets quicker the more people join senkus science team but still takes it´s time to explain the important stuff
The modern soap and plumbing system we take for granted is in Dr. Stones field while the small things like paper are in Bookworms field. Both are needed to get the modern life we enjoy now. Each person has their own innovation and skills to add to the pile. One world has a lack of brainpower but a lot of muscle and stamina while the other has hierarchy and hygiene issues.
I mean. It's not really an "altered history", as much as it is a far future, where some Weird Bullshit happened along the way. And if we ever get the next chapter, we're probably going to see what went down, to make the world the way it is.
"I don't think anyone would describe it as wish fulfilment" Me, a person with several chronic illnesses not always capable of doing the shit I love and knowing I can never seek to attain my current dream job: *Is that a dare?*
From what I've seen in the Manga and without trying to spoil anything, Dr. STONE does end up focusing on more of a man vs nature type of story that Im still engaged with which is a pretty nice change of pace.
I loved bookworm because she's doing small, super small things that are REVOLUTIONIZING EVERYTHING AT HER TIER IN SOCIETY. Just when you get how fleshed out the small world she moves up the ladder and the world shifts around her in such a subtle ways as the world expands around her.
I think there are wish fulfillment vibes up the wazoo in Bookworm, it's just we're trained to just acknowledge the more common/popular ones that we haven't really stopped to realize less, uhhhh....shounen-y/power fantasy wish fulfillment. So, let's take a look. A girl with a strained family life being teleported into a world where her family adores her and her hobby makes her a super genius--her getting the ability to shine in ways that in the real world wouldn't be acknowledged much. Seriously, imagine getting the opportunity to change the world with the thing that makes you the happiest. This might not be a power fantasy, but it is an agency fantasy. Even if Myne's situation is almost constantly dire now, it also maximizes the heart throbs you'll get from people fretting and doting over her....especially cute men and defending her against baddies and tsundering a bit to cover for how much they care, too, and their rough exteriors cracking. Like. Wow. I don't know how anyone could have not seen it because the author's husbando is obviously the high priest. Actually, I think in general the behavior of the men is weaponized wish fulfillment all around with them just really loving their wives, that one merchant who isn't over the woman he lost, etc. Which in a way, is extremely depressing because that such wholesome things are wish fulfillment or unrealistic says a lot. This isn't to say it's all a bad thing but I'd be extremely surprised if this as a story isn't partially a self-insert one.
Not saying that it is a bad thing too but Bookworm is 100% a power fantasy. Myne has a buckton of mana, remember when she re-energized the soil after that Thrombe fight and how the main priest was in awe with how much mana she could wield? Or that time where she force choked both the main priest and head priest back in season 1? Other than being poor and having the constitution score of a malnourished baby, she has a crazy amount of mana, has knowledge of futuristic gadgetry and knows how to make them and the people protecting her, especially the shiny men that are there. It is not a bad thing but it is a power fantasy and it isn't covert.
@@federationred1481he mana powerscale gets even more insane through it the light novels. I do like the explication of why she has so much mana, it makes sense, but it 100% is a power fantasy just like you say
8:30 as someone who knows how to work with leather it would have been great for the show to explain how leather used to be sewn with boar hair as it is fine enough and strong enough to peirce leather and the tread is stuck to the "needle" with glue as you can't thread it through an eye like an metal needle. This skill also takes a lot of time to develop. So now we make holes in the leather with awls and stitching irons (spiky forks) and the needles are blunt because all they have to do it take the thread from one side yo the other.
13:50 The most depressing part of all this is that Sakura's fight here is probably one of the best fights in the series. In my recent read through I was stunned with how well it was framed, the interesting dynamic between the characters and their abilities, along with the fact that it actually gave Sakura SOMETHING. God DAMNIT Kishimoto, doesn't this tell you ANYTHING.
While I truthfully feel the same, there is one scene that kinda ruined sakura for me and it's in the first season of both the manga and anime. It's very petty, but it's valid in me and apparently a few other naruto fans.
@@Pokemonleafmon I'm sorry if this is lackluster. I'm not really trying to be dramatic, but this is one of the reasons why she's hated, the thing that made us think she's a bit of a tool. It might honestly be very dumb, but you've insisted. th-cam.com/video/2F3FgE-z4JA/w-d-xo.html
The energy I'm getting from this is that Bookworm is a show about a little girl trying to make paper just like Homestuck is a story about four kids playing a video game. Yes?
But I think Homestuck is a little more complicated. Ascendance has better pacing than Homestuck. (Homestuck has one of the weirdest pacings imo, especially in the Intermissions and Post-GO) But what I like more about Ascendance is that the main protagonist made different goals in the series (Like the goal of being able to read a book to being able to make a book to make poor children read books). Homestuck is a different case because the kids have one goal in mind (is to basically play the game together and meet with each other I think) and regardless of whatever is happening in the comic, they would still focus on that one goal they had. Anyway thank you for listening to my Ted talk lol I think both series are special in their own ways and I love these two.
@@cialucifera9455 YOU. YOU GET IT. Although, I kinda meant the general vibes each series gave off: Well thought out and detailed stories that are more than just the tropes that built them, elevating those tropes into plotlines and characterization that aren't just zingers and gags and end goals. It's the genuinely good kind of irony where the escapism feels real, for a lack of a better phrase?
@@cialucifera9455 isn't the goal of homestuck to create a new world for everyone to live on using a galactic frog? I feel like the whole meeting together thing is just an in-between thing lol
27:00 don't know if you still haven't gotten the light novel, but I implore you to do so. The thing about bookworm is that the story is far more suited to written media than manga or anime. There is just so much content and fine details about the characters and world that its practically impossible to implement in an anime form. Out of all the light novels I have read, bookworm has been my #1 since I started reading light novels. Plus I think the light novels do a better job of showing myne's desire to create books, and it is much more endearing in the novels. It gets even more funny and cute as the story progresses! On another note, in the fanbook, Miya Kazuki states that she only used the isekai as a way to have the story work out and not be used just to be with the trends. It just happened to make what she wanted to the story to do work. Ironically, though, in the prologue, Urano is almost hit by a truck whle reading but is saved by her friend Shuu, and then minutes later gets buried in books by an earthquake at her home. 28:44 They explain the genetics in the novels and might explain the details in season 3 this spring. They will probably explain the greater importance of mana then too. (Not surprising, because literally everything is explained at some point) 33:47 If you thought the anime adaptation looks bad, all the more reason to read the novels. You Shiina's art is amazing and blows the anime art quality out of the water. You showed the covers but thats a small taste of it! 37:00 Miya Kazuki is a female I think. In the Fanbook she talks about being a mother so I would guess Kazuki is female? The sad part is that as the story progresses it will be harder to adapt to an anime because the interaction between characters becomes more important and less things happen that would be interesting to watch (They become twice as interesting to read on the flip side). Pretty random set of thoughts i had as i was watching, but I share a great love for this series and made a lot of online friends (on the fan discord) that helped me get through the pandemic.
Out of curiosity, what are the light novels like as far as writing quality? I'm assuming it's a translation process thing (or perhaps a market audience thing?), but there are a few other series I've tried to read the light novels for where when I tried to read them, I ended up just feeling unsatisfied with the actual writing itself because it felt like it was written for a second-grade reading level. I'm not looking for like, James Joyce or anything, and I actually generally prefer more straightforward writing, but the couple I had tried were... extremely basic as far as writing itself. Is AoaB's light novel like that as well, or no?
@@alestrius they are designed for teenagers and above, but I don't find them to be too childish. Bookworm actually is a rather advanced level of Japanese (there are different levels of difficulty in the language) to the point that there is a version of it called a junior bunko written in furikana. That does have an effect on translation. Though you really don't have to take my word for it, since J-novel club (the publisher) shares the first "part" (about two chapters) of every novel for free. Feel free to give them a look and decide for yourself if you like it or not. There are 27 volumes translated at this point.
@@alestrius LNs are generally written in a simpler style to begin with, and the vagaries of translation don't help. I would say AoaB is readable but don't set your expectations too high with respect to the prose itself. Which is more than I can say for any other LN I've tried reading. AoaB is the only one I've been able to actually read through without getting fed up with the writing itself.
i just really like senku since i can really relate to him, having autism i tend to naturally understand very complex scientific and mathematical concepts and so i can really relate to him, especially the way he enjoys and becomes “hyper focused” on his work!!! but yeah it’s not really realistic overall haha
Regarding autism, I haven't seen Dr. Stone, but from this video Senku seems more like a stereotype along similar lines of Sheldon Cooper. He's definitely seems to be an absentminded genius, but autism is a very complex and nuanced condition with countless variations. It's also frequently underrepresented in women and girls because of the stereotypes and girls generally doing a better job of hiding it, and the aspects that they don't hide are often just more accepted as normal for them. With Ascendance of a Bookworm, I've actually seen a very interesting interpretation that can't really be applied anywhere else: _Urano_ is on the spectrum, but _Myne_ is _not._ Rather than being a genius who knows just about all of science, nearly everything Myne knows from Urano is a direct result of her extremely obvious "special interest." Urano was a rather solitary person who wanted nothing more than to work in a calm and quiet environment and directly with her personal fixation. Perhaps more telling is how she regrets her last moment with her mother where she was too absorbed in what she was reading to appreciate the last time she'd see her mom and her preparing Urano's favourite food. Myne definitely shows many traits of autism, but she also has a significantly easier time interacting with people. (Though she _was_ overwhelmed by the sound of the orphans which probably wouldn't have been a problem if Myne's autistic traits were solely because they were all that Urano knew.) [EDIT] Ok, I'm barely halfway through rewatching the first episode and Myne has shown _multiple_ instances of sensory discomfort, from the wood on her bare feet to her father touching her without warning. Myne might be on the spectrum herself, but could still be on a different _part_ of the spectrum than Urano.
@@blitz4506 It just doesn't seem to appeal to me as much. Nearly every way in which the two shows seem to differ I tend to prefer what Ascendance of a Bookworm has. Also you can't top a character who's adorifying for me. Myne is most definitely adorifying, both on a societal level and more immediately if you make her mad. Something I haven't mentioned is how Myne in many ways acts like a changeling from faerie myths which I've found very interesting. It's just that the one who took her place was human rather than fae... or is she... 🤭 (it's complicated. _very_ complicated)
@@coni2267 I give you one guess as to what her SpIn is. But yes, I have come to the conclusion that she is almost certainly autistic. I especially find it _very interesting_ comparing her situation to ones in real life where people reported seeing their children change _drastically_ over a seemingly short period of time, to the point where some would even say that it was like they become a completely different person...
Ascendance of a Bookworm helped me accept the fact that I enjoy doing "feminine" things. I used to be afraid it made me look weak (mostly because I lived with my grandmother who constantly watches Westerns where a woman gets slapped around by some male), but this anime helped me see that these things are essential and though we might just be seen as "food and baby makers," these things are still important and if we somehow get cheated out of doing them, everything will eventually fall. Long story short, be proud of feminine stuff because everyone (and probably everything) depends on it.
@@Olematonnimi _bruuuh???_ what, did you go _searching_ through the comments on a video where the author shared their _personal_ opinion for someone who agrees and shared their own in _a social exchange of vulnerability_ and _solidarity_ just so you could come say this? wtf??? are you sure *_you_* don't have a victim complex? you literally did not have to come out here and spread your negative little attitude like you added anything to the conversation- which is what this is, by the way, in case you're unaware. if you answer back with something stupid and superficial when someone's opened themselves up and been vulnerable, then you've failed at basic relations and forging deeper connections, whether it's in a parasocial relationship or not. you better hope you never get isekai-d, or you better hope you get put into a family who loves 'you' before you show up, 'cause you sure won't be making those interpersonal bonds necessary to survive with this attitude. that said, I hope you just had a bad day or week and your day tomorrow is wonderful and you can feel comfortable enough in your own skin to not put more negativity into the world than necessary. I hope something good happens to you and you can grow from it.
Urano "possessing" Myne, and Myne dying is actually a case of "Unreliable narrator" In a Light Novel chapter that didn't make it into the Anime (takes places place during the time Myne and Lutz are working on Paper to win Benno's approval) The's a Point of View chapter from Effa where she's doing the washing at the well with the neighbors. In which we find out Myne would always dream about Urano's life in Japan and tell her mother about those dreams. So Myne was always a true reincarnation of Urano, but just as Myne was giving losing the willpower to fight the Devouring anymore she "awakens" the Urano persona fully and the Two personas merge. However, the Myne persona has the experience of a 5yo sickly shutting child so is mostly overwhelmed by the young woman persona of Urano. the Myne persona exists in her limited memories the "Urano" has access too as well her limited language skills, however, it also shows up in Myne childish impulsiveness. Urano might have been a spoiled brat obsessed with books however she had adult forethought to the point she had just successfully defended her doctoral thesis (assumably in library science). and the main reason mostly people don't find the new Urano persona that weird is that they compare it to how Gunther acted when he was a boy, in that he was woodcarver's son but on finding out he could become a knight marched himself to the gate and got the commander (Effa's father) to take him on as an apprentice solider (so he could still defined his city and family) and the sawing was Myne going from prolonged toddlerhood to the instance of rebelliousness of instance on independence. (and what did make it into the anime her parents just glad she was getting healthier)
Dr Stone is one of my favorite shows in the past 10 years. It has no action and it’s hated by battle Shounen fans but Damn do I love how the science is done. Even it’s borderline impossible
I love both of these anime. Bookworm made me feel kinda warm and fuzzy with low(ish) stakes. but honestly Dr Stone made me cry more than once. The first time they Light up the filament, and the first time they play the record are a big 2. and many more really struck me deeply. It's not just wish fulfillment, but the core philosophy of team science. and while Tsukasa's motivation is one note, his role is a complex one. He's an ever present reminder of the dangers of misaligned power, and that the power the good guys use has been abused in the past by the powerful to keep people down. He personifies the survival of the fittest mentality as an ideological counterpoint to science's inherent need for cooperation and how civilization is founded on cooperation and technological advancement. (even if that technology is agriculture or something not normally seen as "technology")
The saddest wish fulfillment isekai genre is the "I wish my family loved me" types ~ the stories themselves tend to be light, slowlife wholesome family stuff, but whenever you think about where the genre comes from and why its popular...
@@milesgwatidzo4143 they're saying there's a supply of the "I wish me family loved me" trope because there's a disheartening demand for it in real life
Miya Kazuki is a she. AoB was originally web novel and then published as Light Novel. In the official website where she posted the original web novel, extras and spin-off, she included some author notes. Most of them suggests that the author is a she based on what the author was talking about. Ex: the author set up a poll asking whether the readers wants a chapter of the spin-off and wait for maybe another month or have a bundle at once after she finished writing it. She included her husband's comment to her about how heartless she is for doing this to the readers.
Theres also the fan book where when asked what their family thinks the answer was (edited for length) "it's weird to have a mom who gets ideas in the middle of cooking and stuff and shouts get me my notepad"
so i started this video and then decided to binge ascendance of a bookworm before i continue and holy shit i didnt need to do any mental gymnastics to enjoy it and to relate it was so refreshing that if it werent currently 0433 am and i werent dehydrated i would probably cry thats how relieving watching this show was im definitely gonna watch season 2 next time im awake
Just gotta say I got really happy at the Toky Mew Mew mentioned at the end as it was my first manga (found it myself!) and subsequently what I used to introduce my friends to manga/anime. Also I do love those two isekais, particularly Bookworm, as I too am a huge bookworm lol
I just started watching Ascendence after a friend reccomened that it's the type of anime that I would love and they were right. And I am looking forward to your video on Princess Tutu yes an underrated classic.
I just wanted to say, your avatar IS my inner child and we're both crying 😭. *Please continue* using our likeness to spread this saccrine cutenoir on the internet; I won't flag you for identity theft or whatever 😋
Tbh, I feel like Dr. Stone without the generic big bad dude (and the whole fighting mechanic) would just be Japan Sinks 2020 but with more genius pretty boys and less existential dread. Which... Sounds really interesting, actually. Also, as a person who has been to art school, the phrase “art school classes pointed this out to me and now I can’t unsee it” is just so painfully relatable. Like, my dad thinks I’m insufferable now and can’t have dinner with me haha. Anyway, this was a great video, keep it up!
@@Zarastro54 even from the beginning he wasn't generic bad guy. Even in season 1, the only thing making him a bad guy is that his solution to the problem he's focused on is needlessly extreme. When until he gets to the "so let's kill people" part he's making sense, that's not generic big bad in my book.
I think the "generic bad guy" (Which the manga continues with other villains) is sort of a neccesity for weekly manga, the source of conflict needs to be sort of urgent enough to keep readers invested but also flexible enough to stretch chapters, in contrast light novels tend to write conflicts that are solved through one volume (or in the special case of bookworm trough "parts")
I didn't realize why, but bookworm had that "breath of fresh air" hit for me so much I had to buy all the available light novels to get more story. Definitely one of the types of isekai that we've desperately needed the past decade.
I'm just commenting as I go along but at 18:27 Tsukasa is actually THE most interesting villain I've ever seen in an anime. His ideology (anarcho-primitivism or green anarchism) is a real ideology that exists, with real philosophers and thinkers supporting it. It's really far left and a bit obscure though but the wiki page for "End game" by Derrick Jensen sums up it's tenants quite well. Here's the first 3 premises: Premise One: Civilization is not and can never be sustainable. This is especially true for industrial civilization. Premise Two: Traditional communities do not often voluntarily give up or sell the resources on which their communities are based until their communities have been destroyed. They also do not willingly allow their landbases to be damaged so that other resources-gold, oil, and so on-can be extracted. It follows that those who want the resources will do what they can to destroy traditional communities. Premise Three: Our way of living-industrial civilization-is based on, requires, and would collapse very quickly without persistent and widespread violence. Here's why I find the conflict with Tsukasa so interesting, unlike Korra for example, it does not strawman the ideology it wishes to critique. Tsukasa fears that with the return of advanced civilisation because he's fundamentally opposed to the concept of private property, the hierarchy it creates and the widespread violence / wealth inequality that follow. He's a poor child who had to take up a violent and often disabling sport to get enough money to pay his comatose sister's hospital bills. Capitalism literally held his sister's life over his head his whole childhood. But the main criticism of green anarchism is being hostile to the needs of the disabled. Basically if you're not strong and healthy (like everyone Tsukasa recruits) you're screwed. Even what we today don't consider disabling like poor eye sight is actually pretty bad in a stone age setting. Hence we actually have 2 characters with bad sight that get to Senku's side because he offered them the help they needed to function. That can't be a coincidence lol. Senku does not care for people with limited imaginations or who don't believe in human potential. He does want to recreate a world that could feed 7 billion people again.
@@juliacornacini7851 lol thanks. I could nerd about their conflict forever because honestly I've NEVER seen an ideology-driven conflict done well before this. Most writers can't see outside their own ideology, most people don't think they have an ideology to begin with. Korra pretends to critique anarchism, nationalism and fascism ..and (egalitarianism for some reason? What if equality but TOO MUCH? :O) but the writers clearly don't know what they're talking about because they're strawmanned and we were cheated out of a really thought-provoking story. Batman Vs Superman *could've* been about 2 people with radically different philosophies about justice clashing hard instead the conflict was basically miscommunication.. Superman: Gods among us is the biggest fail e_e I've never seen a more shallow conflict that presented itself as a conflict of ideologies. The writers ain't got the knowledge or imagination for it and are too deep into liberalism they can't see outside it. tl;dr it's really difficult to pull and appreciate Dr Stone's writer for having the knowledge and empathy to portray people with radically different philosophies accurately.
@@tesso.6193 EXACTLY. The writer did such a great job developing characters with beliefs that make perfect sense if you consider the atmosphere they grew up in. Of course dr.stone as a whole have its problems here and there but Senkus and Tsukasas conflict is not one of them.
If I can recommend you something that (maybe not intended) has no single "woman-trope" it would be the upcoming seinen-Anime "So I'm a Spider, so what?". This series about a high-school girl being reincarnated as a spider in a deadly dungeon manages to avoid to define it's characters by their gender. Our MC is a total oddball like Tomoko from Watamoe with a comical lack of empathy. Her bigges enemy is her "mother", an emotionless monster and the demon-lord, who looks like a little girl and acts like both a unspeakable monster and a saint and "D". There is also no romantic relationships in the series (at least in the main-storyline) so the warm feelings you get is with our MC and how she interacts with her new "daughter" and new "mother".
Seconded. I'm a Spider So What is an isekai that seems to be structurally similar to other male power fantasy isekai yet the protagonist is female, and she's reincarnated as a weak spider monster in a dungeon and in contrast to other isekai like Slime she actually has to work her ass off just to survive against the numerous monsters that attempt to kill her. Despite the grimdark premise, the protagonist has the personality of a genki girl and the story doesn't portray that or her other feminine traits as a weakness. She's very resilient to adversity and through grit, cunning and some luck she manages to survive and escape the dungeon she's in. And after that the story becomes even better. It stops focusing on the survival aspect as much and it starts focusing on her relationships with other (primarily female) characters, and their interactions are some of the most unique I've ever seen. Since she's a spider monster and had social anxiety in her previous life she has difficulty communicating even when she gets the ability to speak with Telepathy. However she distinguishes herself with her actions. Due the impact she has on the characters she fights, protects, trains or cares, she commands genuine respect from multiple characters throughout the story, something that you wouldn't expect from an introverted female character with a very goofy internal monologue. And the other female characters are no slouches either. All of them have agency and unique motivations. It has characters who want to serve male characters but there are also characters who just want the good of their nation and its people, or want to save/protect someone they care about, or want to just make mommy proud (yes, really). It's an isekai aberration. It borrows so much elements from male power fantasy isekai, yet there's never a doubt that its female characters are the protagonists of the story.
@@Giorgal i feel like spider is making fun of them and even is self aware and one some of the stuff in the anime seems to be directly referencing slime
One of the things i appreciate about Dr. Stone is that, while the show glosses over a lot of the "women's work", Senku does NOT. Nor does he consider those without his particular gifts to be lesser than he is, he's almost desperate to attract people who can fill in for his weaknesses and give them reasons to stick around. His actions are calculated but not arrogant, despite his attitude. When he runs into Chrome he's not upset at how Chrome is debasing science and he doesn't lord it over Chrome (too much) that he knows more, he's ecstatic because it's proof that the scientific mindset never died, and even if Senku himself fails and dies someone else WILL carry on without him. I thought that having what's his name as the outright villain of Dr. Stone did hurt it. Nothing that the story/Senku was trying to do actually needed him, nor was it even really relevant. He was literally a detour from the actual plot of the show. I'm sure the author got pressured or didn't feel confident enough to not include something like that. At least, i'd watch a whole season of Senku and friends just solving problems and stuff. I'd watch season 2. Yeah it's more of what's his name being a militaristic threat, but it's fine. I enjoyed it. Gonna have to watch Ascendance of a Bookworm, i guess.
Thank you SO much for not spoiling bookworm! Just enough information to make all your points and encourage others to watch it, while keeping the mysteries secret. It's an absolutely great show
girl i am so glad that this is a follow up to that isekai video, because i have felt a strong need for some GOOD FUCKING ISEKAI and i am 100% ready to sit down and binge ascendence of a bookworm based on your suggestion!!!
I shall survive using potions, Average Abilities and my next life as a villainess are also quite good reads and all of female main characters. But bookworm is a class of its own.
Just watched My next live as a vilaness yesterday . I gave it a 7. Nice meta plot and execution but nothing memorable, no history progression no character development. It is refreshing to have something not fully escapist in the isekai genre to a point reverse harem is a " change" but after ep 3 there wasnt really anything new or changing anymore. :/
Holy shit, you’re right. I can’t think of any female geniuses. I feel like if there were any, so many people would cry Mary Sue. I can’t believe I didn’t realize it until now, it seems so obvious.
Shiro, No Game No Life. Her brother is also explicitly a genius but Sora is the strategist while Shiro, the female, is clearly the more purely intelligent one.
3 years later, and I'll be honest, of the two series, book worm is the one that I still am hooked on while dr. stone fell off hard for me. The world building, the consistency of every detail falling into place for some reason or another, the characters. It's just on another level. If I could have more of bookworm or bookworm like content, I'd be content. The closest I've ever found was a web serial called the mech touch, but even that has it's flaws and while it's my favorite written media, it's not something I'd say is better than a 6/10 because it has it's fair share of flaws. Having caught up to part 5 volume 2 of the light novel (realizing that the first 3 seasons only take up 7 novels of the 25 that are translated and what is roughly going to end at like 35) book worm honestly continues to keep me hooked with the questions it makes you ask repeatedly. And honestly it's not fair how dirty they did it with the animation quality and honestly, how poorly the OP portrayed it.
Просто мир книжного червя это тот мир в который реально верится . там как например чтобы создать бумагу персонажам надо создать инструмент для производства бумаги . и особенно тот момент когда после договора с купцом Майн осознает что то что она видела в шоу по телеку не возможно воплотить и что стоит адаптировать знания к тому что у них есть. Сословное общество прекрасно показано на примере того что простолюдины не знают как живут дворяне. И даже Фердинанд не знает как живут фермеры хотя он посещает фермерские деревни. Все эти моменты делают мир живым и настоящим.
Hey, I just want to say that I really appreciate this fresh take on anime! Most of my anime watch habits are generally dictated by how many times I've heard the name of a show. Having a channel like yours to recommend anime I've never heard about at all is very much what I needed. Thank you!
Honestly I thought Bookworm was such a non-wish fulfillment that I initially believed Myne would succumb to her illness just before she prints her first book and Lutz would carry on her work. Thank god that hasn't happened... please no don't.
Luckily nothing like that can happen anytime soon. The light novels are arranged into five “parts” with each part being longer than the one before it. Currently, the anime has only adapted the first part, and large amounts of the second part. Bookworm may not really be about wish fulfilment, but it’s also not the kind of series that revels in making its MC’s life hell.
@@joshuaswart8211 bookworm could uses some darker parts really, you dont need to go Re:zero on stuff, but when every conflict ends up bit anticlimactic its gets a bit downer. But Mynes life is kinda hellish in its own right, but its the good kind of hellish, the one that builds up and makes her able to pay the world back with a smirk XD
@@MouseGoat I personally think it’s fine as is. The end of each part (so far) has been pretty cool and shakes things up. And many of us really like the more slice-of-life approach where we just see how this world works. (Interestingly, one can tell that Bookworm takes up way too much time in my life seeing that I was literally on the Bookworm subreddit when I got the notification for this comment. XD)
Yesss thanks for this. I like Dr Stone and the shounen genre, but I really want more female/feminine writers and intended demographics, especially on parallel genre conventions and elements.
My nephew at the age of 4 was absolutely fascinated with my sewing up a seam in one of his toys. He literally thought it was magic because…I hate to say it, but because his favorite movie was Coraline. Yes he thought I was magic because the opening scene to the movie is the main villain creating a doll. Yes he had me repair another of his toys eyes with buttons. In fact, hilariously, due to my more domestic knowledge, I have had my siblings look at me and ask…am I magic? That’s fun. And this is domestic skills. Do I want to learn more? Sure. Candle making and crochet are on my list of “want to learn” but I have lots of of skills already. I also loved Ascendence of a Bookworm. My absolute favorite and I actually read the books and preorder the new ones because I adore them so much.
Update on this. Apparently my nephew wanted me to sew buttons in the eyes of his toys so he could use them as one way walkie talkies to me. He tells his toy all about what is going on or wants to show me and he assumes I can see and hear….the truth? His mom catches him at it and tells me about it so I am aware of some of it. My sister, his mom, tells me it’s because I’m his favorite relative. I appreciate it. It’s always flattering to be the favorite relative and always flattering for your kid relatives to assume you are so cool so you must have magic (I have tried to let him know I don’t, has yet to stick and I’m not willing to push it and distress him, especially given that at his current age it is perfectly age appropriate to believe in such things so long as they aren’t harmful). Anyway, though I would share that update. Also an update, apparently my brother also has watched Ascendence of a Bookworm and he and I are now both hooked on the translated light novels. Dr. Stone just didn’t appeal to us in its storytelling vibe though I give it credit, it’s nicely done. Just not the vibe my brother and I jive with apparently. Anyway! Thanks all for reading this!
Bookworm is so good because it has nuanced three dimensional characters that all go through their own development arcs as they interact believably. And these characters live in an a very nuanced world that is often at odds with their development. That’s it. Any story with these things will be good.
It’s funny you brought up shampoo and things in that vein because as someone who has read far ahead. After stone wars there’s a lot of stuff like that spread out throughout the story to be seen. Hope you are able to keep enjoying both series as they are very good.
I don't think I ever stopped and thought about how many male characters in general are described as "Geniuses" in comparison to female ones. That is a good point and I feel it's gonna stick with me now haha.
@SaphiraSeraphina There are far too many variables to say whether the amount of published men/women ratio is sexism. It could easily just be far more men are writing, or even just a larger audience of men are connecting to “male” themes. Either could easily explain it. We are seeing an increase in female writers and MCs over the years. Just like it happened for comics and games. So things are getting “better”. Either way, representation shouldn’t take gender into account. Orchestras tried to implement a blind into auditions then abolished it later because they saw an increase in male performers. Forcing female representation is just sexism against men.
A Male main character is described a genius compared to the other characters in the work. Shounen manga care more about being a genius than shojo mangas.
@@starburst98 Right? I feel people don't understand correlation doesn't equal causation. They look at a result and assume a narrative that fits their bias. The vid highlights Naruto. So, a series following the top tiers of a traditionally male dominated role had many male geniuses and no female ones? Shocked Pikachu*
Through the course of this video, I actually came to realize some key issues that are giving me trouble with becoming a writer. I am trans and so I was raised as male by a very masculine family, but as I embrace being trans more and more my interests are following. But I am not used to writing feminine stories, so I have trouble investing myself in my own stories because the worlds I build no longer fit my interests. Just an interesting realization that came to me due to this video. Also, this was my first video of yours, and you definitely earned the sub from me
Jack Spicer is a genius who casually creates mechanical masterworks and can split his mind across several bodies without issue (and is notably the only character who doesn't have trouble using that particular wu). But he is also a sheltered rich kid leaving his parent's basement playing at being a super-villain, when he accidentally got drafted into an ancient war of good and evil
I will say I am more likely to watch more feminine anime as an adult male than I was as a teen... Maybe being a parent helps, but it's nice to have more variety in what goes into my brain.
I had to say something cuz Noralities kinda massacred my boy here lmao. I think Dr. Stone really needs to be analyzed through the lense of being a shounen. It is simultaneously the least "shounen" AND most "shounen" shounen I have ever seen and it's incredibly refreshing and entertaining to watch. It's the ONLY shounen I've ever heard of or seen that doesn't involve ANY supernatural or magical component to it's world and characters, it's just actual human beings living in the actual natural world. Additionally, at every turn when a situation presents where you think it's about to fall into the typical shounen stereotype or pitfall it subverts it completely and defies all expectation. The fact that a VERY shounen anime is taking place in a very NON shounen setting is just excellent and effective. Is there still a bunch of stupid shounen subplot and humor? Yes. And if you aren't a fan of shounens typically, you may not like this series, but as someone who watches dumb shounen as a guilty pleasure since I can do easily see all of their flaws and predictable pitfalls, Dr. Stone is simply a breath of fresh air. I can see why you may compare it to Ascendance of a bookworm with the reason you've stated, but I think they just really aren't comparable. Also, Dr. Stone treats its women much better than other shounens and the women are powerful and respected for the most part, and I think the reason they skip over the "domestic/feminine" tasks is because viewers most likely to already understand how sewing and the like work, whereas the chemical makeup of penicillin not so much. I don't think it's meant to devalue those tasks and frankly I think it's a mistake to even put those tasks into the "feminine" box in the first place, although I do understand what they represent for people who may have misogynistic views. Anyway thank you for coming to my TED talk, I didn't think it would be this long lmao.
I loved the episode. I recently discovered Ascendance of a Bookworm about three weeks ago. Since then I have read all the translated LN. If you like the anime, read the LN. The anime covers the important part, but a lot of semi-important things just get skipped over. For example, the stuff with Lutz's parents. To me, it wasn't really clear what the resolution was in the anime. Lutz's dad isn't really a talker, so that contributes to it. But in the LN, we get an entire chapter from Lutz's dad's perspective. The anime also tends to gloss over details of the world. For example, Lutz's is offered a "dapla contract". What is a dapla? In the LN, they explain the two types of employees (although different made up terms are used). I like Ascendance of a Bookworm because characters make decisions that make sense and details matter. I like that Myne just doesn't magically make everything work. She has to go through trial and error to make it work. I think the only thing that she doesn't do that on is on the shampoo. Everything else is a struggle because she can't just go to the arts and crafts store and buy what she needs. Disclaimer: I am male.
The Ln's are so good. I've cried so many times already. The anime fell short in quite a few places. The 2 min intro had no regard for the buildup/reward. Just flat out telling you what she'll accomplish. The scene when Myne peeks into the kitchen to see her father by the fire was so powerful in the Ln. In the anime, it just shows his back. He's not even crying! And lots of little things. Overall the anime was well done, especially for an isekai, which are currently being flung out with no concern. "Didn't I say to make my Abilities Average" had to be the worst adaption I've ever seen.
As someone who watched the anime and then went for the LN, I was amazed about the little, yet intriguing details that the anime skipped. Like the lehanges and lehens (I don’t know how to write it lol) etc. I truly live the LN. Ps: can we ve mutuals? I want to have conversations with people who have watched/read the show.
@@onepiecegotmeinlove691 Yeah adaptations always cut details, it's just a question of how much. Idk what "ve mutuals" are. I've just started commenting on TH-cam recently.
I’m a making a manga all about a girl who just wants to see her girlfriend again after getting tuned into a demon and ending up in hell so this helped me a lot with the Dos and Don’ts of this genre
Yeah me too, although since a lot of people want unique characters I made my character compete different form myself. The gender is the same though. Male, it feels wrong to write the main character as a woman. It doesn't feel right, definitely something that was forced into my brain by society.
You make a lot of great points and I totally see why you prefer Bookworm over Dr. Stone, and yeah the framing does mark the difference of Senku being a character audiences are meant to admire and be awestruck by his genius, and Maïn being much more relatable and grounded, and their respective conflicts reflect that. Also, as a Dr. Stone manga reader who has also watched season 2, without spoiling, you're not actually wrong, in fact the "stone wars" are refreshingly short and the plot goes in a direction where Senku and his friends have to keep developing technology to survive what happens next, because the threat escalates beyond people who're physically stronger than Senku.
"An anime adaptation cannot contain everything from its source material" That Time I Got Reincarnared As A Slime comes absurdly close. Season 2 even works in the side adventuring Rimuru does with the adventurer trio by making it the OP.
Eeeeeeeeh. Big stretch there. I would hardly say it includes it, it more just references it, and in some cases, like the bit where it shows Rimuru doing the test to get his adventurers liscence, it ends up contradicted what the anime said in season 1 (that fuse provided him the adventurers liscence instead of him earning it).
I know this is two years old but i got incredibly attached to the book series for Bookworm after watching some of the anime, *because* of some of the problems within and wanted to see 1. It continue and 2. The changes 3. Being chronically ill, the idea behind *why* she is sick and how she refuses to stop is very appealing as well .the series is incredibly good. Dr. Stone ive always had a harder time getting into and ive tried more than once 😂
@@James-ml3nd Its ironic how the vid claims subliminal sexism whilst being sexist. Extremists are often hypocrites. I had someone in the comments tell me boys aren't interested in cooking after, I kid you not, using Food Wars (literally shounen) as an example for another of their points.
Dr. Stone Manga spoilers ahead: The story definitely keeps Senku on the ace spectrum and it's so wonderful to see what would normally be a "ship moment" between Senku and Kohaku soon gets shut down by another character. Iirc in one of the author's pre-chapter notes on character romances the author states that Senku thinks too much about his love for science to worry about loving another human or something along those lines. Also about Tsukasa, I do think he's not the greatest form of conflict out there, but between a "bloodless siege" and the grey morality of the whole situation I think Tsukasa does his job of setting up that no one side is going to be entirely in the right in the stone world and he does it pretty decently. Anyway, loved this video and all your content I've seen so far. Thank you for putting so much work into it!
"it's about a little girl making paper (and subverting social order in the process)" yeah that is the best AoB abstract I can give to someone lmao also you probably have read the LNs by now but I must urge anyone reading this to please please go read it it's AMAZING AoB and Hyouka are the two best light novels I have ever read - and I read a LOT
On the topic of Dr.stone, I wanna point out that Tsukasa actually isn’t the antagonist the whole time, if you read the manga(or possibly with S2) this section of the story is the “war” arc. Since the overarching goal in that story is the revival of humanity (and for senku personally to get to space) they have to find the ‘source’ of the petrification because it would be impractical to try and individually revive a few billion people. I think that’s also why they skip out on the ‘mundane comforts’, since the goal is much loftier probably for pacing reasons they skipped things that the so called Stone Age would have. Basically I just wanted to say that despite the presentation of the first season, the story doesn’t stay focused on the conflict between science and anti science. I assume that was to make the invention of certain things more pressing or possibly a representation of how innovation tends to be rejected or fought against at first. Or maybe they wanted a ‘murder is possible’ threat and it wouldn’t be able to as easily when societal values come more into play and can be enforced. The conflict with nature is interesting, but because Tsukasa could kill a lion bare handed in like 30 secs that conflict was basically removed immediately, the only exceptions being where the collection or creation of certain materials is inherently dangerous. Honestly I think it’s because the story wanted to focus more on advancement than survival. If you want a good ‘oh man we’re just reg peeps but nature is out to get us after the end of the world’ anime then I’d recommend 7 seeds. It brings up specialists vs non specialists and the advantages of each as well as different character relations and planning and how plans can fail. It also has monster creatures because why not. Plus the whole ‘these people are basically strangers and some of them have agendas and of course greed and power struggles and not everyone is a good person’ thing. It was super binge worthy. It weaves together multiple timelines which you think would be messy but I thought it did a pretty good job. It goes far more into the darker themes of survival and they actually started with supplies and such.
The ancient magus bride nobody ever tacks about that manga it is amsing and has had so much time and hard work and most of the caritor a wretin and it fits the well written female caritor that has lived with tram and going from wanting to die to wanting to like from nothing but the people around her it is amazing
I think they mean The Ancient Magnus Bride, is a well written anime with good character development where the main character goes from wanting to die, to wanting something else because of the people around her, and the experiences that happen to her. Btw I have watched that anime, and I thought it was a very beautiful story.
I do love the ancient magus bride, but I also feel somewhat guilty because well, main character is literally a bought child slave who becomes a bride to a character hundreds of years old. They had more of a father/daughter relationship imo. Even if she's "consenting" the inherent power dynamic makes her "consent" invalid. Really fucking weird.
Yes! When I first watched Ascendance of a Bookwork it was a bit of a slow burn but it really had that “Finally some good Fucking food” vibe. After years of the same old dry Isekai recipes this anime is so refreshing to me. I miss anime’s like this that focus on female leads and their journey of hardship trials and failures etc. Myne has to figure out how to make paper and in doing so improves her family and friends living conditions/dreams. She doesn’t try to escape her situation or just looks out for herself but wants to help others along the way of getting to her goals.
I love both of these characters and shows cause they use a "super power" that anyone can harness. I have to say I like Senku better cause I'm the kind of person that wants to learn how everything is made, even if it's things like turning a chunk of iron into a magnet using lighting. But seeing Urano/Myne use her knowledge of shampoo and then making a business just so she can get the supplies she needs to make books is fun, I just don't enjoy the magic fantasy aspect of the show or how she's so focused on making books that she tends to ignore everything else
I think you over-interpreted the "invention" on dr.stone. dr.stone focus is on science and how science can be like magic, and how one invention can helps create an other and how everything escalate. Sewing, or cooking is not really science in that way. Once you have cloth, that's the end. Clothings are not use to make something else, nor food. They improve your life style, yes, but improving the life style isn't the focus of dr.stone (while still being a part of the show). The focus is on science, and how one thing you obtain helps you have an other thing. That's why the show doesn't focus on those inventions, because they won't help the plot that much. On the other hand, bookworm is exactly about improving your daily life. That's how the main character of this show goes forward to try to obtain what she wants. Bookworm is more about social status and money than it is technologie. her invention are valuable because they can be sold and make her known (lifting her up in the society), two quality that doesn't make any sense in dr.stone. I can understand the "day to day invention aren't the focus on a male oriented show" but I think it has nothing to do with how the shows actually handle things. For a long time, science was a male thing, and everything that was related to a global level (economy, politics, medecine, etc.) was kept for men, while the woman were restricted to a more local level. So most day to day inventions ended up being invented by woman, like clothing, cooking or basic hygiène. It just happens that one show tries to focus on science, which was developed mainly by man, and one show tries to focus on daily improvements, which was mainly developed by woman. I don't think dr.stone ignore day to day invention because they are "more feminine" but because they don't help the plot. for example, making basic tool like knifes isn't something "feminine" though the show gloss over this invention as well. And the other way around, I don't think Bookworm focus on "feminine" invention just because they don't want to show "masculine" invention. The scale of the show just tend to regroup more invention made by woman.
From my perspective, Dr. Stone inventions are not meant to be "hey you can do this at home!! :D" it's about the inspiration that it gives people which biggest strength it's their own ingenuity. For you, the character from the other anime might seem more relatable since it's more "realistic", but for me Senku is one of the most inspirational anime characters I've ever seen. From the way his father gave him the tools to succeed to the unique ability to use all of his knowledge and to experiment with them, Senku made me feel like I could learn anything and apply it however I wanted to. It made me feel like my knowledge it's not useless, it's all about finding ways in which they can be helpful to a bigger purpose. Loved the video btw (:
me someone who barely watches anime at all but abesolutely can not get enough of people nerding out over stuff they love over the course of this video: holy shit The Owl House is an isekai
I have a slight problem with you saying that Dr. Stone not explicitly showing every step of the more domestic process's is an issue, and it stems mostly from the core appeal of the series that you identified, as well as your evaluation that it reinforces the notion that women's work is less valuable. While clothes and cooking and day to day comforts are undeniably important, they are not and should not be considered explicitly feminine tasks, nor are they scientific advancement. All of those things have been around for as long as human society itself, they are the bare minimum requirement for a civilization to exist, and Dr. Stone shows us what it needs to for us to understand the beginnings, and the show tells us that it took Senku *6 months* for him to reach the point he was at, but its core focus is on science, not creation. It clearly does not demean the importance or the worth of such things, it even shows that food is undeniably important by having it be the FIRST thing they use to win over the villagers, but expecting that the series lose focus on its main identity, which is the science, is like walking up to a lemonade stand and demanding grapes. I understand that you and many other people would have enjoyed seeing the full process of Senku making his clothes or making a house, but if that's what you want to see, then you could have gone to watch *a separate show about historical fashion.* Dr. Stone is a series about the importance of scientific advancement, and while the mundane has its part in science, sometimes the most important part as the basis for the development of society as a whole, we all already know about the mundane, and we came to Dr. Stone to be shown the importance of science in making our modern society.
While I agree that they are not explicitly feminine tasks, Unfortunately we live in a society, and historically and even in many modern day cultures, they are considered as such. Thus her interpretation of them as such is not bizarre. Nor is their pushing aside something that can be taken as happening in a vacuum, entirely void of any meaning. Also in the manga they apparently do go into things like that. So Dr. Stone is less not about those things, and more a victim of animes not getting infinite screentime and money to explore all the things that a writer might in slower paced media. It is somewhat TELLING, that those things were the things that the anime choose to gloss over. And that is not void of meaning, meaning she rightly picked up on. They were deemed less important by someone with executive control, and were thus cut. In the end however, I do agree that glossing over certain things make for a better show. Dr Stone the show's appeal not being the things that are glossed over, but instead the, as you said, Advancement. The more exciting things. Noralites clearly enjoys the little things that Ascendance of a Bookworm didn't gloss over quite a bit. She even noted some distaste she held to the things that that show glossed over as well. So, I think this is, at the end of the day, mostly a case of preferences, even though her thoughts and concerns on the matter are, very much, not to be dismissed with simply a 'well that's not what the show is for' as even if that were the case, that doesn't invalidate her criticism. In a way, the fact that someone decided to make a lemonade stand, instead of a... grape stand, is sort of what she's talking about.
@@potatoesstarch2376 The thing is though somebody DID make a grape stand. She directly mentioned a show that she enjoyed about historical fashion, and she enjoyed Ascendance of a Bookworm for its time spent on the little things. My statement that mundane tasks should not be considered feminine tasks was mostly meant to lead into my point about how Dr. Stone is about the science, and that the reason they were excluded was not because they are labeled as feminine, but because they are not scientific. To say they are glossing over these aspects of our society is in my opinion an overstatement, because it clearly does focus on how something like food is vitally important to our society by having it be the driving force for Senku in recruiting the villagers in his army of Science. Of course I am not saying that Noralities concerns over this are not valid, that is exactly the reason that I went into detail about why I think they are being overstated instead of simply saying "Well the show is supposed to be about science." Her criticism is valid and her views are important, I just thought that her evaluation and assumptions about the reasoning behind the choice to exclude these elements in the show was more harsh than was deserved for a show that does what it IS trying to do so well.
@@potatoesstarch2376 nah, I think it's just her/your prejudices that makes them feel that way about the show. At the end of the day, it's because our morality and prejudices that we came into conclusions, not because of deep analysis.
I think your comment actually directly displays the bias we have towards the domestic and things considered feminine. I haven't watched doctor stone, but the idea that cooking and clothes are somehow non-scientific and don't display how science plays a part in modern society irked me. There is a lot of science and engineering that goes into those thing and it's genuinely incredible but people don't think about it a lot.
@@thetinykid4169 I never stated that they are non-scientific, only that they are not scientific advancement. Like many aspects of our society, clothing and cooking have evolved and progressed with society and the world, but they have always been fundamentally the same and are not scientific advancement. The invention of electricity, the invention of the weave and the creation of steel are all scientific advancement, and they all contribute to our improving ability to cook and to create clothing, but cooking and clothing are still the bare minimum for a society and in a modern society they are not what is scientific. They are however directly connected to things that are. In no way has the show devalued the importance of clothing and cooking, they are just not the focus of a story about building society anew from the ground up because you can't focus on one thing for too long or you will stagnate. The show actually directly shows the importance of cooking by having it be the primary reason they are able to convince the village to help Senku in creating his kingdom of science. Yes it is genuinely incredible and no people don't think about it a lot, but I fail to see how my comment displays bias towards domestic/feminine things as being less valuable or non-scientific.
As someone who can never get enough Bookworm content, I hope you do get into the light novels sometime. Your channel being recommended to me was probably the algorithm's best work.
I think an important distinction is that they’re really two very different genres and you say that really well with the fact that Dr Stone is basically Magic Schoolbus with shonen tropes. The shonen elements are ancillary to just keep it moving.
you know your point about marketing clearly female shows towards men reminds me of what happened to card captor sakura in the west when it was dubbed as cardcaptors they tried to market it as a show for boys to the point where the FIRST EPISODE THEY SHOWED was episode 8 AKA: the one where the male co star debuts
I also really like The Owl House and I love that even though she is in another world, her original world doesn’t cease to exist and is actually very important to her and it is even use as the climax of the first season.
Yeah, I was actually thinking throughout the video about how The Owl House has some isekai-ish properties (with Luz ending up in a different world and all.) It also has a sort of different wish fulfillment (Luz wishes she could disappear into a fantasy world, finds the Boiling Isles aren’t what she dreamt of but they grow on her anyways) and a bit of found family in there with Ida and King while not totally abandoning her actual mother who comes up from time to time. Also, LGBT representation. It was abruptly cut short in season 1 because one of the characters involved (not saying who for spoiler reasons) sprained their ankle, but it’ll probably show in season 2, whenever that comes out..
You know Amy, everytime that someone calls attention to the breaking of gender roles it ultimately undermines the concept of gender equality by impling that "this is an exception" and not the statuos quo -Knuckles, from: Sonic Boom 2014
Really? I hope that's true. I often think about how the first part is a young girl in pain who gives up on life and that makes me really sad. It would be nice to think she's just a part of Urano, instead of fading away.
Unpopular opinion here Honestly as i woman myself, i dont really care for the feminine creations (even though i make jewelry in my spare time) as im studying to be a biochemist. So, i find the aspect of Dr.Stone much more appealing and fascinating because that's kinda the stuff i always loved watching. Plus, i think it gives more love to chemistry(and other fields that Dr. Stone includes) and that it can actually be really fun. While the bookworm started out interesting it kinda got too boring for me. Though if you like bookworm more than Dr. Stone thats totally cool we all have our own preferences and tastes.
As a Light novel reader of the Ascendance of a Bookworm reader, which it's volume 8- 26 at this time, where the anime stops at volume 7, the importance of what she makes had a domino effect and vastly more important than anything senku makes for convenience. I won't spoil anything, but where the series stopped was the true foundation of our lovable chaotic witty gremlin.
Can confirm, even though we're at 191 chapters in Dr Stone Senku is still ace even though there's a new girl added to the I guess harem of Kohaku and new girl.
@@alexrojas2736 Even though lgbt+ community welcomes all people on ace and aro spectrum, not everyone with that identity has to belong to lgbt+ community if thay don't want to. Some people also don't like the lebels and just stay single and that's also fine
@@alexrojas2736 well thay didn't say he is straight so why would you assume that other than treating it as the 'defoult' or 'straight until proven otherwise
@@alexrojas2736 Until I see evidence that he is straight beyond "default" im going to assume he is ace at this point because theres more evidance pointing towards that than straight
Yay as a fan of both who also happens to be tired of isekai!!! I remember when you first uploaded your houskei no kuni analysis vids! Aw man I love this do much sorry I had to comment I love you so muchhhh
I actually really love this anime. Dr Stone fell flat with me in it's second season, so I get it. Although, I do think bookworm is overlooked due to its story structure and presentation like you say in so many more words. The quickest way to describe it, is I think, "this is the story of a bookworm and her struggles in being reborn in another world without anything familiar to her, in a weak childs body, and her efforts to overcome it." It's short, sweet and doesn't give spoilers. Though... for the mindful it will lead to questions.
Stuff like sewing and weaving is really hard. It would be implausible for a single guy to finish any construct with those techniques in a day or two. One thing that Dr Stone seems to disregard is the importance of civilization, where a large number of people work towards a common goal with their specialized jobs.
That is true. And it’s covered in detail in a sentence of a bookworm. Since she constantly has to go to different shops to get different things made. And is constantly trying to find supplies or substitutes for things that she needs. Or even finding the names of things that she needs so that she can get them. Like when she needed lime. She didn’t know what they called it.
I'd say myne is way more relatable than senku. I love senku but me being nowhere near as knowledgable as him makes it pretty hard to relate to him. He is way better than other genius characters but Mynes story is more about character interactions, worldbuilding and the influence she has on the world than the actual iventing themselves.
I agree but, I don't know if he made an appearance 6 months ago, but that's pretty much why Chrome is there, we relate to him instead of Senku. But to be honest I relate to Senku a lot more than either of them because of the reason he likes science in the first place. I've rarely met someone like me(outside of the internet) in that regard
People underestimate the sheer butterfly effect level of influence the printing press had. Like oh my god I don’t even know where we’d be if we never created it as a species.
They do go into what each of her inventions entails. How it could put entire industries out of business. Who the vested interest are. And how to deal with each one so that they can move forward. Paper and ink are revolutionary enough without even having a book. The Gutenberg press didn’t pop out of nowhere like it doesn’t the book. It replaced earlier printing methods that were much less efficient. The individual letters were the key.
Dr.Stone didn't skip over the "domestic" or "feminine" parts of survival, they skipped over the parts that would have been boring or too unrelated to the scientific progression of society. Sure they gloss over pottery and sewing and cooking, but they also gloss over butchery and hunting and woodcutting, because they aren't what they're trying to show and teach about. It also has a bit of a problem with glossing over things in general, for example it massively oversimplified glassmaking and the materials required to make the durable glassware he does, it is by no means a problem related to gender roles, it's a problem of how they trim down/simplify the story. I feel like this is an example of if you look for something everywhere (sexism) you'll find it everywhere, even where it isn't (simplifying survival to focus on scientific advancement) and missing the forrest (the actual problem) for the trees (a specific instance of the problem that suggests sexism).
I do agree with this, that in this case it’s about the focus of the story, one being the advancement of science, and the other being the advancement of society. Also, on the point of Tsukasa, him being an antagonist does help the story, by giving the characters reasons to create certain technologies that they otherwise wouldn’t have needed at that point. Sure, it’s also to add ‘cool’ things like katanas and such, but previously to this, they’d not have any need for radio transmissions, there was no other known group. Then there’s the other thing to consider, the settings themes. In Dr. Stone, the main goal is to build enough to go to space while still staying faithful to the science behind each step, that’s its main motivation. In Ascendence of a Bookworm, the focus is much more on the interpersonal relationships, and society as a whole, the characters don’t exist in a vacuum. It’s also a much more faithful depiction of people, and how they’d react to these changes. As weird as it might sound, Bookworm, despite being the series with magic, tries to be more realistic than Dr. Stone. However, as someone who’s read the mangas of both series, as well as the first seasons of the animes, I can confirm that in Dr. Stone there are female geniuses, I believe Yuzihara also gets referred as one when it comes to arts and crafts, in fact, almost all the revived people Senku interacts with a extremely talented in one way or another, male and female alike. Of course, Senku being the main character means that he’s just that much smarter, as all battles are battles of wits and intelligence, which is far from what Bookworm is about. Bookworm instead has its battles be of social and physical natures, of not giving up in the face of adversity. It’s just more down to earth. In the end, I like both series, and I can definitely agree that the ‘male power fantasy harem’ story is generally pretty boring as the characters often feel flat.
When I look at the fact that Dr. Stone doesn't explain things like clothes making, I would have told you that I didn't even notice it. I just took what's presented to me, like how to get a magnet, how you make antibiotics, and hell even how to make colorful fire. Of course, I can't remember every step in how to make an antibiotic, to then "mimic" it, but it doesn't bother me, it's fun to watch how they get to the point where they finally made it (and maybe the fact that they blew my mind by making high tech medicine in a stone world). On that journey, I can even learn something myself, but it's not things I can make on a daily basis like in Ascendance of a Bookworm (shampoo). And that little story of a bookworm has its own charm. Yet my preference is that what blows me away and Dr. Stone sure does (and make me laugh... hard bc it is my humor). And I think it's the direction the story wants to go that makes both stories so different. I mean Myne wouldn't have made some crazy things to... cure the sickness or some sort, yet decided to make Shampoo first bc it was necessary for her situation. And Dr. Stone wouldn't archive any progress in the storytelling by making a hairpin or some sort, because it's also a Shonen battle anime, that is drama-driven, which need such crazy inventions from him to entertain and go forward (it's not a critic on Ascendance of a Bookworm that it can't entertain, but only a compliment towards Dr. Stone specific). And yeah I'm here after season 2 soooooooo (and it's not only about fighting like 90%) ((and I'm sorry for my bad grammar and I hope my intentions via arguments are delivered well enough to understand it :(
@@90bubbel60 but as the video says it only showed the process in a bare minimum. My point is that those factors are shortened bc they don't really push the point foward as some other inventions :) Maybe I should have wrote it differently, but when I wrote it it was around 2 am so yeah
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You say that Ascendance of a Bookworm has little to no wish fulfillment, how dare you assume that I don't wish to live my life as a poor medival peasant!
With a constant magic fever that nearly takes your life every day? I mean to each their own but I can't see that being many peoples cup o tea, especially since under most circumstances Main (or you) would've definitely died given the class barrier. But like...it's magic so I guess it's worth it
@@swwetsour7697 tbh I'd rather be physically sickly to the point of constant exhaustion while also having the means to rise through the class system than be an able-bodied peasant. I haven't read light novels, but I'd be willing to bet that by the end her "peasant" family will have nicer living conditions than the average noble class
@@frimi8593 Yeah I get that but the thing is she has the determination and the motivation to fight through the sickness, and was lucky enough to make noble friends before the side effects flared up too bad. She also had a means to rise because of her knowledge on plant based paper from before being Main. While it's not impossible, I believe that the average person (if they were brought into the same situation as Main) would not be as lucky.
@@swwetsour7697 that is true. She is legitimately facing the conflicts of low class medieval life
@@frimi8593 And she found a way to thrive. Good for her
The fact that slowly, everyone around Main starts to have “glossy” hair is so heartwarming ❤️☺️
She gives it out as a kindness, and then sells the recipe for basically the equivalent of $20 currently.
It reminds me of the Christmas prince where the main characters allies have her color scheme slowly leak into their wardrobe so you can tell who’s mains friend and who’s not it’s such a cool detail
You could tell whoever was on mynes side by looking at whether or not they have glossy hair
It unfortunately points out a flaw too, though. It’s possible to be way too giving especially for a little girl whose life is constantly on the line.
@@kintamas4425 She takes plenty. She puts everyone under her to work.
sad thing is Dr. Stone DOES go into the more domestic/feminine technologies in the manga. It's all there in detail. They chose to gloss over it in the show
Maybe next season
Because there is a specific run time
You mean... washing machines?
@@luizy6701 No, domestic as in things done in the home as crafts or delicate handiwork that's associated with women. Like the creations of fabric, sewing, sewing pattern and clothing. And cooking, the way we choose to put together ingredients and things we find to get anything of nutritional value. How we get pots, pans and other utensils. Feminine technologies are usually the technologies that provide for basic needs we don't usually think about in the home. It shouldn't be watered down to washing machines.
Man, I and no idea since im an nime only, do you know where i can read the manga? I have a feeling that's not the only thing the anime glosses over
"The noble class owns most of the wealth, and the rest of the fiefdom have limited rights and work to support people they basically never see" I thought this was a fantasy series, not a slice of life.
2 years late, nothing's changed, but dawg u did NOT have to that say like
@jinolin9062 I calls em like I sees em. I'm a whale biologist.
@@jinolin9062просто это одно из не многих произведений где создан мир который может существовать . для творца очень сложно создать мир в который можно поверить в его существование. Во многих исекаях где есть гильдии герой чуть ли ни сразу имба . а тут пример того что даже для борьбы с монстрами нужны знания и определённые навыки. Тут нет окон системы или показателей с перками . исекай где нет игровых элементов легче воспринимать . есть исключение "апофеоз демона" там где эта условность приемлема иза особенности истори .
Fun fact: Myne IS a self insert, at least in a way. The author of Bookworm is sickly, had the tendency of passing out when she got excited and is someone who gets excited for the "weirdest" of things. Also, Ferdinand, also known as the blue robed high priest is pretty much the ideal man for the author.
But that's it. Bookworm teached me that a self insert can work on a story as long as the character is good.
And I also recommend checking the Light novels, they're great and the first one is 100% free in J-novel club (the page that does the official translation of Bookworm). I love the light novels even tho I didn't really like the anime for subjective reasons so you can imagine just how good they are.
Also, can confirm that the author is female. Is mentioned in the Q&A books and had been confirmed by the English translator of the LN, who has direct conversations with Miya. How can we know for sure? Well, her husband is always her first proof reader and she started writing after giving birth to her daughter. So yeah, Miya is a she.
Ah, cool beans thanks for letting me know! I def am going to check out the light novels soon, they seem right up my alley
@@ShermanWilliamsVideo although super gross, the anime takes place in the olden days where young girls would marry old men,, the references are just realistic and since they’re references, i don’t think they’re actually shown (i neever watched the anime) so it probably isn’t that problematic
do wish it was addressed in the video though
@@ShermanWilliamsVideo The reason I didn’t mention it in the first two seasons of bookworm is because the child marriages WEREN’T framed as a good thing. It was a terrible option that Myne literally refused and choose to die instead of doing that, and Freida was basically forced into.
However… yeah, I don’t really like the direction bookworm went in. When I made this video I had no idea that Myne would end up with the priest character when she got older. I 100% thought she was going to end up with Lutz.
I did not actually ending up reading the light novels after I learned that, but like....it is not a comparable situation to the framing in Dragon Maid at all.
@@Noralities it's not child marriage since they cant marry until be legally adults.
15 might be look too young to be considered adult, but nobody ever marry before that and usually not less than a year later.
In real world people marry at 9, this is child marriage.
I think when self inserts are based on specific people, like the writer, they can still be good and enjoyable characters. But a lot of anime self inserts are based on a broad "average, otaku guy" which gets pretty boring. Like Usagi and Minako are both author self inserts in sailor moon and are largely liked, but characters like the MC in diabolik lovers are meant to be a broad self insert for the female audience in general, and are largely disliked.
bookworm really did end up being my own "finally some good fucking food", im so glad someone else feels that as well
Nice terriermon profile pic.
Same. Can't wait for the next season.
Yes, I had the same thought. Bookworm and also So I'm a Spider So What.
Is like a youtube tutorial, mi sister's daughter always make a mess whit tose tutorials and for that she is grounded
@@DoctorPsyduck yeah im kind of angry that they didnt stick to the og story and added some side characters though
I think I truely vibed with Ascendance because it was refreshing to see an anime with a loving family. You noted how much Gunther and Effa care for their children and Tulli being a fantastic big sister is so endearing. Additionally, the "lack of male gaze" as you put it makes the content easier to watch. As I've aged I become more uncomfortable with a lot of anime because of how it often it lewds characters that are minors. All this is besides the fact that Ascendance is just a fantastic story that I recommend to all my friends and family as a show with heavy themes, but light enough to help "wind down" with at the end of the day.
I super highly recommend the light novels, the official translation is fantastic and it has tons of extra scenes and details that had to be left aside for the anime. I bought every volume and barely slept for a month cause I was too strongly hooked.
@fishi4296 Oh for sure! I ended up joining JNovel Club to get the newest chapter every Monday.
100% agree with you. It doesn't even have to be minors, just sexualises females, period.
SAO had an interesting premise. And it was watchable, until alfheim. For me at least. That's also the arc they introduced incest in so... you know.
I would love to watch a remark of that without that "male gaze"
Heck I might just write my own. I'm an author dammit, I can do whatever I want!
Gosh there is such a powerful moment in Ascendance of a Bookworm that just hits so hard to me....
Like at the beginning of the 2nd arc, there was a scene of her meeting the church orphans. She passed out from the horrible imagery, and when she comes to it hits her hard. When alive and hearing about starving children in Africa, she gave it little to no thought because it's "out of her control", and even when going to charities she doesn't particularly care if her donations help the kids or not. But now, with actual starving children right at her doorstep AND her being able to help, the guilt eats her alive.
She even contemplates spending all her hard earned gold to help those kids because she realized in her old life she was a hypocrite using donations and distance as an excuse to put everything not books aside. It kills her that even with all the gold she has she can't change something inherent in the system, and if she's gone it will all be back to where it was. Her resolution to fight against systemic evil is very endearing, and she doesn't even win most of the time, because in politics you kinda have to compromise. The audience grows with her and because of her. Definitely why Bookworm is only one of the few multi-Konosugoi 1st place winner alongside Haruhi.
yeah the ascendance of a bookworm has bretty good vibe, but I hardly can belive that just 3 years ago this channel had only 1k subscribers and now there is over 100k subscribers.
That is not really truw
I love the show but the one thing I dislike about it is how Mine always conforms to the system unless the option isn't on the table
Like she doesn't even try to argue with ferdinant about helping other kids like her because it would be to "disruptive" dispite the obvious benefits the church could get from it and we can't have a proper discussion because questioning the nobles to mutch would make her future adoptive parents look bad
One thing I love about Dr Stone though is that the real action is in the building than the fights. With the climaxes being inventions, and slow emotional moments that make people feel supported and loved by the efforts of their ancestors to give them things like antibiotics, glasses, music.
The only reason why I like dr. Stone. I absolutely love the building part and that’s why one of my favourite characters is Kaseki. He's simply a wise old man that loves his passion. Making things from scratch and getting excited about it is all I’m living for.
@@annafang858 only?
I love that in a certain technical way, Dr. Stone is, in fact, an isekai, but it doesn't fall into the self-insert harem power fantasy. Its so good.
@@strikurr7861 u know how many things would be considered an isekai if dr stone was an exception.
Avatar of all things would be an isekai
@@blitz4506 Amphibia would probs be considered an isekai too, if it was an anime.
The light Novel also point real early Myne knows she'll die with her sickly body if she doesn't do something about her home's hygiene issues, hence why she doesn't stop with shampoo but use the basic chore of sweeping her home as an exercise to build strength (two birds with one stone) and teaches her's big sister the importance of regular washing
@Erwin Lii I think the difference between myne and the average male shonen hero is that all the 'boring housework/every day life maintenance like cooking gathering etc' for the man is never acknowledged, bc we're socialised around "behind every successful man, is a woman" aka behind every shone hero, is a woman doing all the boring everyday stuff so he can go fistfight god or whatever 🙄😅 while myne actually has to do all the work herself, partly because that's the point of her story, but also because of her age and gender; that's her job within the society/household/friendgroup, much like small scenes in Avatar the last airbender where katara is sewing or cooking in the background of a shot while aang/sokka/etc are Doing Important Things in the foreground 😶
What people fail to understand is many of the skills that Myne has wasn't actually feminine, it was skills used and needed by *all*. The idea that they are feminine is a very modern one.
and we live in modern times so to us it is feminine
@@fancy4663 yeah, and that's a bad thing. Now people lack the basic skills because they're deemed too feminine. The reason they were attributed to women in the first place is because men's time was deemed more valuable then women's. And it's a bit ridiculous. Especially that now people need to pay others for something that they can easily do themselves if they just learned how.
They also fix the problem of Senku being the only brain by introducing narrow professionals
Well, as an European I might say to yoy that gender roles where different in the middle ages, but what is for men or for women was more strict than nowadays. So, they are feminine things that were femenine and masculine things that were masculine.
@@pablogomez903 and might I say that as a European myself, that while many things were gendered and women did have to do a lot of the house work. Men did in fact know how to sew, especially considering not all of them had wives or lived with their wives.
My grandmother taught me that sewing is a huge necessity to life, I find it degrading and despicable to see it hated or viewed as a girly thing. It's like I'm not allowed to stitch or sew or even work in fashion design.
But why did you bring this up what's the point of this
But you overcome their criticism and do it anyways? That's what matters
@@luizy6701 I try my best
it doesn’t matter even if it was a girly thing, there’s nothing wrong with loving girly things as well even tho nothing is “girly” every hobby is gender neutral
Just going to this point out... Name 5 top fashion designers if you can. How many of them are men? Men might get flak for getting into sewing and fashion on a non-professional level, but they practically the actual fashion industry. Same with chefs.
I see Dr. Stone more as a celebration of humanity's progress. The series's progression is dependent on what very specific item Senku makes next as an answer to a very specific problem.
Dr. Stone makes me appreciate the complicated things we take for granted in our modern world.
Bookworm makes me appreciate the simple things that we take for granted in our modern world.
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Definitely. Dr. Stone's appeal is because of the bizzare absurdity that each new invention/development brings to the table. As I like to describe it, its so stupidly smart lol
What I also think is incredible is how the process gets quicker the more people join senkus science team but still takes it´s time to explain the important stuff
The modern soap and plumbing system we take for granted is in Dr. Stones field while the small things like paper are in Bookworms field. Both are needed to get the modern life we enjoy now. Each person has their own innovation and skills to add to the pile. One world has a lack of brainpower but a lot of muscle and stamina while the other has hierarchy and hygiene issues.
Fun fact related to the weird genre classification of certain manga: Houseki no Kuni ist marketed under science fiction here in Germany.
That not that weird, "Alternated History" is a part of Science Fiction, nd parallel worlds is possible in it. However , yeah Magical Fansty world 8)
I mean. It's not really an "altered history", as much as it is
a far future, where some Weird Bullshit happened along the way. And if we ever get the next chapter, we're probably going to see what went down, to make the world the way it is.
Actually that makes sense. It is definitely science fiction in its worldbuilding.
@@Treegona like splatoon :)
I mean, it technically is a bit, but it still has that mysticism around it
"I don't think anyone would describe it as wish fulfilment"
Me, a person with several chronic illnesses not always capable of doing the shit I love and knowing I can never seek to attain my current dream job: *Is that a dare?*
From what I've seen in the Manga and without trying to spoil anything, Dr. STONE does end up focusing on more of a man vs nature type of story that Im still engaged with which is a pretty nice change of pace.
Fun fact: The author of Berserk had a lot of influence from shojo manga. And to me, it really show in the peaceful moments in the manga.
The peaceful moments are pure gold
*guts theme plays*
@@Balajohn_ it’s sad that Berserk fans hate the peaceful moments and want the entire manga to be like the Black Swordsman Arc or Golden Age
@@amuroray9115 Not everyone. A lot of us just want Guts to finally rest.
@@mikedanielespeja6128 agreed
I loved bookworm because she's doing small, super small things that are REVOLUTIONIZING EVERYTHING AT HER TIER IN SOCIETY. Just when you get how fleshed out the small world she moves up the ladder and the world shifts around her in such a subtle ways as the world expands around her.
I think there are wish fulfillment vibes up the wazoo in Bookworm, it's just we're trained to just acknowledge the more common/popular ones that we haven't really stopped to realize less, uhhhh....shounen-y/power fantasy wish fulfillment. So, let's take a look.
A girl with a strained family life being teleported into a world where her family adores her and her hobby makes her a super genius--her getting the ability to shine in ways that in the real world wouldn't be acknowledged much. Seriously, imagine getting the opportunity to change the world with the thing that makes you the happiest. This might not be a power fantasy, but it is an agency fantasy.
Even if Myne's situation is almost constantly dire now, it also maximizes the heart throbs you'll get from people fretting and doting over her....especially cute men and defending her against baddies and tsundering a bit to cover for how much they care, too, and their rough exteriors cracking. Like. Wow. I don't know how anyone could have not seen it because the author's husbando is obviously the high priest.
Actually, I think in general the behavior of the men is weaponized wish fulfillment all around with them just really loving their wives, that one merchant who isn't over the woman he lost, etc. Which in a way, is extremely depressing because that such wholesome things are wish fulfillment or unrealistic says a lot.
This isn't to say it's all a bad thing but I'd be extremely surprised if this as a story isn't partially a self-insert one.
Not saying that it is a bad thing too but Bookworm is 100% a power fantasy. Myne has a buckton of mana, remember when she re-energized the soil after that Thrombe fight and how the main priest was in awe with how much mana she could wield? Or that time where she force choked both the main priest and head priest back in season 1? Other than being poor and having the constitution score of a malnourished baby, she has a crazy amount of mana, has knowledge of futuristic gadgetry and knows how to make them and the people protecting her, especially the shiny men that are there.
It is not a bad thing but it is a power fantasy and it isn't covert.
@@federationred1481he mana powerscale gets even more insane through it the light novels. I do like the explication of why she has so much mana, it makes sense, but it 100% is a power fantasy just like you say
8:30 as someone who knows how to work with leather it would have been great for the show to explain how leather used to be sewn with boar hair as it is fine enough and strong enough to peirce leather and the tread is stuck to the "needle" with glue as you can't thread it through an eye like an metal needle. This skill also takes a lot of time to develop. So now we make holes in the leather with awls and stitching irons (spiky forks) and the needles are blunt because all they have to do it take the thread from one side yo the other.
13:50 The most depressing part of all this is that Sakura's fight here is probably one of the best fights in the series. In my recent read through I was stunned with how well it was framed, the interesting dynamic between the characters and their abilities, along with the fact that it actually gave Sakura SOMETHING.
God DAMNIT Kishimoto, doesn't this tell you ANYTHING.
While I truthfully feel the same, there is one scene that kinda ruined sakura for me and it's in the first season of both the manga and anime. It's very petty, but it's valid in me and apparently a few other naruto fans.
@@DaddyVeo1911 Now I am curious. What was it?
@@Pokemonleafmon are you sure, my sweet? It's quite banal, very petty, quite honestly might just be a whole nothing burger to more rational folk.
@@DaddyVeo1911 Nah now you have me curious. I gotta know
@@Pokemonleafmon I'm sorry if this is lackluster. I'm not really trying to be dramatic, but this is one of the reasons why she's hated, the thing that made us think she's a bit of a tool. It might honestly be very dumb, but you've insisted.
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The energy I'm getting from this is that Bookworm is a show about a little girl trying to make paper just like Homestuck is a story about four kids playing a video game. Yes?
like that.
But I think Homestuck is a little more complicated. Ascendance has better pacing than Homestuck. (Homestuck has one of the weirdest pacings imo, especially in the Intermissions and Post-GO)
But what I like more about Ascendance is that the main protagonist made different goals in the series (Like the goal of being able to read a book to being able to make a book to make poor children read books). Homestuck is a different case because the kids have one goal in mind (is to basically play the game together and meet with each other I think) and regardless of whatever is happening in the comic, they would still focus on that one goal they had.
Anyway thank you for listening to my Ted talk lol I think both series are special in their own ways and I love these two.
@@cialucifera9455 YOU. YOU GET IT.
Although, I kinda meant the general vibes each series gave off: Well thought out and detailed stories that are more than just the tropes that built them, elevating those tropes into plotlines and characterization that aren't just zingers and gags and end goals. It's the genuinely good kind of irony where the escapism feels real, for a lack of a better phrase?
@@cialucifera9455 isn't the goal of homestuck to create a new world for everyone to live on using a galactic frog? I feel like the whole meeting together thing is just an in-between thing lol
@@idek5 Oh I was just referring about the kids goal at the beginning lol
27:00 don't know if you still haven't gotten the light novel, but I implore you to do so. The thing about bookworm is that the story is far more suited to written media than manga or anime. There is just so much content and fine details about the characters and world that its practically impossible to implement in an anime form. Out of all the light novels I have read, bookworm has been my #1 since I started reading light novels. Plus I think the light novels do a better job of showing myne's desire to create books, and it is much more endearing in the novels. It gets even more funny and cute as the story progresses!
On another note, in the fanbook, Miya Kazuki states that she only used the isekai as a way to have the story work out and not be used just to be with the trends. It just happened to make what she wanted to the story to do work. Ironically, though, in the prologue, Urano is almost hit by a truck whle reading but is saved by her friend Shuu, and then minutes later gets buried in books by an earthquake at her home.
28:44 They explain the genetics in the novels and might explain the details in season 3 this spring. They will probably explain the greater importance of mana then too. (Not surprising, because literally everything is explained at some point)
33:47 If you thought the anime adaptation looks bad, all the more reason to read the novels. You Shiina's art is amazing and blows the anime art quality out of the water. You showed the covers but thats a small taste of it!
37:00 Miya Kazuki is a female I think. In the Fanbook she talks about being a mother so I would guess Kazuki is female?
The sad part is that as the story progresses it will be harder to adapt to an anime because the interaction between characters becomes more important and less things happen that would be interesting to watch (They become twice as interesting to read on the flip side).
Pretty random set of thoughts i had as i was watching, but I share a great love for this series and made a lot of online friends (on the fan discord) that helped me get through the pandemic.
Thank you.
Out of curiosity, what are the light novels like as far as writing quality? I'm assuming it's a translation process thing (or perhaps a market audience thing?), but there are a few other series I've tried to read the light novels for where when I tried to read them, I ended up just feeling unsatisfied with the actual writing itself because it felt like it was written for a second-grade reading level. I'm not looking for like, James Joyce or anything, and I actually generally prefer more straightforward writing, but the couple I had tried were... extremely basic as far as writing itself. Is AoaB's light novel like that as well, or no?
@@alestrius they are designed for teenagers and above, but I don't find them to be too childish.
Bookworm actually is a rather advanced level of Japanese (there are different levels of difficulty in the language) to the point that there is a version of it called a junior bunko written in furikana. That does have an effect on translation.
Though you really don't have to take my word for it, since J-novel club (the publisher) shares the first "part" (about two chapters) of every novel for free. Feel free to give them a look and decide for yourself if you like it or not. There are 27 volumes translated at this point.
@@alestrius I agree. Most LN are very basic. ‘Bookworm is a step up. I have the first few on my off-brand Kindle in case I need to read them again.
@@alestrius LNs are generally written in a simpler style to begin with, and the vagaries of translation don't help. I would say AoaB is readable but don't set your expectations too high with respect to the prose itself. Which is more than I can say for any other LN I've tried reading. AoaB is the only one I've been able to actually read through without getting fed up with the writing itself.
i just really like senku since i can really relate to him, having autism i tend to naturally understand very complex scientific and mathematical concepts and so i can really relate to him, especially the way he enjoys and becomes “hyper focused” on his work!!! but yeah it’s not really realistic overall haha
Regarding autism, I haven't seen Dr. Stone, but from this video Senku seems more like a stereotype along similar lines of Sheldon Cooper. He's definitely seems to be an absentminded genius, but autism is a very complex and nuanced condition with countless variations. It's also frequently underrepresented in women and girls because of the stereotypes and girls generally doing a better job of hiding it, and the aspects that they don't hide are often just more accepted as normal for them.
With Ascendance of a Bookworm, I've actually seen a very interesting interpretation that can't really be applied anywhere else: _Urano_ is on the spectrum, but _Myne_ is _not._ Rather than being a genius who knows just about all of science, nearly everything Myne knows from Urano is a direct result of her extremely obvious "special interest." Urano was a rather solitary person who wanted nothing more than to work in a calm and quiet environment and directly with her personal fixation. Perhaps more telling is how she regrets her last moment with her mother where she was too absorbed in what she was reading to appreciate the last time she'd see her mom and her preparing Urano's favourite food. Myne definitely shows many traits of autism, but she also has a significantly easier time interacting with people. (Though she _was_ overwhelmed by the sound of the orphans which probably wouldn't have been a problem if Myne's autistic traits were solely because they were all that Urano knew.)
[EDIT] Ok, I'm barely halfway through rewatching the first episode and Myne has shown _multiple_ instances of sensory discomfort, from the wood on her bare feet to her father touching her without warning. Myne might be on the spectrum herself, but could still be on a different _part_ of the spectrum than Urano.
@@angeldude101 why don't u watch the show
@@blitz4506 It just doesn't seem to appeal to me as much. Nearly every way in which the two shows seem to differ I tend to prefer what Ascendance of a Bookworm has.
Also you can't top a character who's adorifying for me. Myne is most definitely adorifying, both on a societal level and more immediately if you make her mad. Something I haven't mentioned is how Myne in many ways acts like a changeling from faerie myths which I've found very interesting. It's just that the one who took her place was human rather than fae... or is she... 🤭 (it's complicated. _very_ complicated)
it's funny because myne is also (hc) in the autistic spectrum
@@coni2267 I give you one guess as to what her SpIn is. But yes, I have come to the conclusion that she is almost certainly autistic. I especially find it _very interesting_ comparing her situation to ones in real life where people reported seeing their children change _drastically_ over a seemingly short period of time, to the point where some would even say that it was like they become a completely different person...
Ascendance of a Bookworm helped me accept the fact that I enjoy doing "feminine" things. I used to be afraid it made me look weak (mostly because I lived with my grandmother who constantly watches Westerns where a woman gets slapped around by some male), but this anime helped me see that these things are essential and though we might just be seen as "food and baby makers," these things are still important and if we somehow get cheated out of doing them, everything will eventually fall. Long story short, be proud of feminine stuff because everyone (and probably everything) depends on it.
Yep without sanitation with cleaning and such so many people would die and society would fall...
Yes! I love the series for following "a woman who quietly made history" instead of the Churchill/superman brash dude we typically get 😃
You go lady!
No one cares if you do or do not enjoy doing feminine things. Like why do you have such a victim complex? Sheesh.
@@Olematonnimi _bruuuh???_ what, did you go _searching_ through the comments on a video where the author shared their _personal_ opinion for someone who agrees and shared their own in _a social exchange of vulnerability_ and _solidarity_ just so you could come say this? wtf??? are you sure *_you_* don't have a victim complex? you literally did not have to come out here and spread your negative little attitude like you added anything to the conversation- which is what this is, by the way, in case you're unaware. if you answer back with something stupid and superficial when someone's opened themselves up and been vulnerable, then you've failed at basic relations and forging deeper connections, whether it's in a parasocial relationship or not. you better hope you never get isekai-d, or you better hope you get put into a family who loves 'you' before you show up, 'cause you sure won't be making those interpersonal bonds necessary to survive with this attitude. that said, I hope you just had a bad day or week and your day tomorrow is wonderful and you can feel comfortable enough in your own skin to not put more negativity into the world than necessary. I hope something good happens to you and you can grow from it.
Urano "possessing" Myne, and Myne dying is actually a case of "Unreliable narrator"
In a Light Novel chapter that didn't make it into the Anime (takes places place during the time Myne and Lutz are working on Paper to win Benno's approval) The's a Point of View chapter from Effa where she's doing the washing at the well with the neighbors.
In which we find out Myne would always dream about Urano's life in Japan and tell her mother about those dreams. So Myne was always a true reincarnation of Urano, but just as Myne was giving losing the willpower to fight the Devouring anymore she "awakens" the Urano persona fully and the Two personas merge. However, the Myne persona has the experience of a 5yo sickly shutting child so is mostly overwhelmed by the young woman persona of Urano. the Myne persona exists in her limited memories the "Urano" has access too as well her limited language skills, however, it also shows up in Myne childish impulsiveness. Urano might have been a spoiled brat obsessed with books however she had adult forethought to the point she had just successfully defended her doctoral thesis (assumably in library science).
and the main reason mostly people don't find the new Urano persona that weird is that they compare it to how Gunther acted when he was a boy, in that he was woodcarver's son but on finding out he could become a knight marched himself to the gate and got the commander (Effa's father) to take him on as an apprentice solider (so he could still defined his city and family) and the sawing was Myne going from prolonged toddlerhood to the instance of rebelliousness of instance on independence. (and what did make it into the anime her parents just glad she was getting healthier)
Don't spoil it for me, gawd! 😡 I'm waiting for my hold on the LN at my library to come in, dang it, uhahaguhhahumf! 😞
@@zealmilenio177 Don't worry, most of that is not in the LN
@@zealmilenio177 Read that in Deliah's "geez!" tone ;)
@@geraldgrenier8132 me too! 😭 can I be friends with you? I need people who have read/watched this show.
Dr Stone is one of my favorite shows in the past 10 years. It has no action and it’s hated by battle Shounen fans but Damn do I love how the science is done. Even it’s borderline impossible
I love both of these anime. Bookworm made me feel kinda warm and fuzzy with low(ish) stakes. but honestly Dr Stone made me cry more than once. The first time they Light up the filament, and the first time they play the record are a big 2. and many more really struck me deeply. It's not just wish fulfillment, but the core philosophy of team science. and while Tsukasa's motivation is one note, his role is a complex one. He's an ever present reminder of the dangers of misaligned power, and that the power the good guys use has been abused in the past by the powerful to keep people down. He personifies the survival of the fittest mentality as an ideological counterpoint to science's inherent need for cooperation and how civilization is founded on cooperation and technological advancement. (even if that technology is agriculture or something not normally seen as "technology")
The saddest wish fulfillment isekai genre is the "I wish my family loved me" types ~ the stories themselves tend to be light, slowlife wholesome family stuff, but whenever you think about where the genre comes from and why its popular...
Oof ouch owie, right in the neglect
@@lintecassidy206lol 😂 awww it's gonna be ok friends or anyone that loves and cares for you become family.
damn........ you got me
I don't understand what you're saying
@@milesgwatidzo4143 they're saying there's a supply of the "I wish me family loved me" trope because there's a disheartening demand for it in real life
Miya Kazuki is a she. AoB was originally web novel and then published as Light Novel. In the official website where she posted the original web novel, extras and spin-off, she included some author notes. Most of them suggests that the author is a she based on what the author was talking about. Ex: the author set up a poll asking whether the readers wants a chapter of the spin-off and wait for maybe another month or have a bundle at once after she finished writing it. She included her husband's comment to her about how heartless she is for doing this to the readers.
Theres also the fan book where when asked what their family thinks the answer was (edited for length) "it's weird to have a mom who gets ideas in the middle of cooking and stuff and shouts get me my notepad"
@@heyerj I haven’t found the fanbook. Could you please tell me where did you read it?
@@weiyang2450 I found it through the j-novel club
@@heyerj hearing thks sounds like miya in ways is basing myne off herself man i need more n cant wait for the english release of the fanbook
so i started this video and then decided to binge ascendance of a bookworm before i continue and holy shit i didnt need to do any mental gymnastics to enjoy it and to relate it was so refreshing that if it werent currently 0433 am and i werent dehydrated i would probably cry thats how relieving watching this show was im definitely gonna watch season 2 next time im awake
Just gotta say I got really happy at the Toky Mew Mew mentioned at the end as it was my first manga (found it myself!) and subsequently what I used to introduce my friends to manga/anime. Also I do love those two isekais, particularly Bookworm, as I too am a huge bookworm lol
I just started watching Ascendence after a friend reccomened that it's the type of anime that I would love and they were right. And I am looking forward to your video on Princess Tutu yes an underrated classic.
I just wanted to say, your avatar IS my inner child and we're both crying 😭. *Please continue* using our likeness to spread this saccrine cutenoir on the internet; I won't flag you for identity theft or whatever 😋
Tbh, I feel like Dr. Stone without the generic big bad dude (and the whole fighting mechanic) would just be Japan Sinks 2020 but with more genius pretty boys and less existential dread. Which... Sounds really interesting, actually.
Also, as a person who has been to art school, the phrase “art school classes pointed this out to me and now I can’t unsee it” is just so painfully relatable. Like, my dad thinks I’m insufferable now and can’t have dinner with me haha.
Anyway, this was a great video, keep it up!
Speaking from the future, Tsukasa has proved to be more than the generic big bad dude.
I feel this way, but with 7 Seeds - which is great and also on Netflix
@@Zarastro54 Speaking from manga future: Tsukasa is awesome and a great person.
@@Zarastro54 even from the beginning he wasn't generic bad guy.
Even in season 1, the only thing making him a bad guy is that his solution to the problem he's focused on is needlessly extreme. When until he gets to the "so let's kill people" part he's making sense, that's not generic big bad in my book.
I think the "generic bad guy" (Which the manga continues with other villains) is sort of a neccesity for weekly manga, the source of conflict needs to be sort of urgent enough to keep readers invested but also flexible enough to stretch chapters, in contrast light novels tend to write conflicts that are solved through one volume (or in the special case of bookworm trough "parts")
I didn't realize why, but bookworm had that "breath of fresh air" hit for me so much I had to buy all the available light novels to get more story. Definitely one of the types of isekai that we've desperately needed the past decade.
I almost had a mental shutdown when the pillar men where brought up as one note villains. esidsi is the only one there that falls under that category
LmFAo right? Kars and Wamuu were not one note at all.
I'm just commenting as I go along but at 18:27 Tsukasa is actually THE most interesting villain I've ever seen in an anime. His ideology (anarcho-primitivism or green anarchism) is a real ideology that exists, with real philosophers and thinkers supporting it. It's really far left and a bit obscure though but the wiki page for "End game" by Derrick Jensen sums up it's tenants quite well.
Here's the first 3 premises:
Premise One: Civilization is not and can never be sustainable. This is especially true for industrial civilization.
Premise Two: Traditional communities do not often voluntarily give up or sell the resources on which their communities are based until their communities have been destroyed. They also do not willingly allow their landbases to be damaged so that other resources-gold, oil, and so on-can be extracted. It follows that those who want the resources will do what they can to destroy traditional communities.
Premise Three: Our way of living-industrial civilization-is based on, requires, and would collapse very quickly without persistent and widespread violence.
Here's why I find the conflict with Tsukasa so interesting, unlike Korra for example, it does not strawman the ideology it wishes to critique. Tsukasa fears that with the return of advanced civilisation because he's fundamentally opposed to the concept of private property, the hierarchy it creates and the widespread violence / wealth inequality that follow.
He's a poor child who had to take up a violent and often disabling sport to get enough money to pay his comatose sister's hospital bills. Capitalism literally held his sister's life over his head his whole childhood.
But the main criticism of green anarchism is being hostile to the needs of the disabled. Basically if you're not strong and healthy (like everyone Tsukasa recruits) you're screwed. Even what we today don't consider disabling like poor eye sight is actually pretty bad in a stone age setting.
Hence we actually have 2 characters with bad sight that get to Senku's side because he offered them the help they needed to function. That can't be a coincidence lol.
Senku does not care for people with limited imaginations or who don't believe in human potential. He does want to recreate a world that could feed 7 billion people again.
Damn I love this comment
@@juliacornacini7851 lol thanks. I could nerd about their conflict forever because honestly I've NEVER seen an ideology-driven conflict done well before this. Most writers can't see outside their own ideology, most people don't think they have an ideology to begin with.
Korra pretends to critique anarchism, nationalism and fascism ..and (egalitarianism for some reason? What if equality but TOO MUCH? :O) but the writers clearly don't know what they're talking about because they're strawmanned and we were cheated out of a really thought-provoking story.
Batman Vs Superman *could've* been about 2 people with radically different philosophies about justice clashing hard instead the conflict was basically miscommunication..
Superman: Gods among us is the biggest fail e_e I've never seen a more shallow conflict that presented itself as a conflict of ideologies. The writers ain't got the knowledge or imagination for it and are too deep into liberalism they can't see outside it.
tl;dr it's really difficult to pull and appreciate Dr Stone's writer for having the knowledge and empathy to portray people with radically different philosophies accurately.
@@tesso.6193 EXACTLY. The writer did such a great job developing characters with beliefs that make perfect sense if you consider the atmosphere they grew up in. Of course dr.stone as a whole have its problems here and there but Senkus and Tsukasas conflict is not one of them.
If I can recommend you something that (maybe not intended) has no single "woman-trope" it would be the upcoming seinen-Anime "So I'm a Spider, so what?". This series about a high-school girl being reincarnated as a spider in a deadly dungeon manages to avoid to define it's characters by their gender. Our MC is a total oddball like Tomoko from Watamoe with a comical lack of empathy. Her bigges enemy is her "mother", an emotionless monster and the demon-lord, who looks like a little girl and acts like both a unspeakable monster and a saint and "D". There is also no romantic relationships in the series (at least in the main-storyline) so the warm feelings you get is with our MC and how she interacts with her new "daughter" and new "mother".
Seconded. I'm a Spider So What is an isekai that seems to be structurally similar to other male power fantasy isekai yet the protagonist is female, and she's reincarnated as a weak spider monster in a dungeon and in contrast to other isekai like Slime she actually has to work her ass off just to survive against the numerous monsters that attempt to kill her. Despite the grimdark premise, the protagonist has the personality of a genki girl and the story doesn't portray that or her other feminine traits as a weakness. She's very resilient to adversity and through grit, cunning and some luck she manages to survive and escape the dungeon she's in. And after that the story becomes even better. It stops focusing on the survival aspect as much and it starts focusing on her relationships with other (primarily female) characters, and their interactions are some of the most unique I've ever seen. Since she's a spider monster and had social anxiety in her previous life she has difficulty communicating even when she gets the ability to speak with Telepathy. However she distinguishes herself with her actions. Due the impact she has on the characters she fights, protects, trains or cares, she commands genuine respect from multiple characters throughout the story, something that you wouldn't expect from an introverted female character with a very goofy internal monologue.
And the other female characters are no slouches either. All of them have agency and unique motivations. It has characters who want to serve male characters but there are also characters who just want the good of their nation and its people, or want to save/protect someone they care about, or want to just make mommy proud (yes, really).
It's an isekai aberration. It borrows so much elements from male power fantasy isekai, yet there's never a doubt that its female characters are the protagonists of the story.
@@Giorgal i feel like spider is making fun of them and even is self aware and one some of the stuff in the anime seems to be directly referencing slime
me reading this while still waiting for episode 13: 👁️👄👁️
I would reccomend the light novel or the manga for this. But unfortunately not the anime :(
@@bubbalubber what happened to the anime 😭 i didnt watch yet cuz i was waiting for the dub ✊😔✊
One of the things i appreciate about Dr. Stone is that, while the show glosses over a lot of the "women's work", Senku does NOT. Nor does he consider those without his particular gifts to be lesser than he is, he's almost desperate to attract people who can fill in for his weaknesses and give them reasons to stick around. His actions are calculated but not arrogant, despite his attitude. When he runs into Chrome he's not upset at how Chrome is debasing science and he doesn't lord it over Chrome (too much) that he knows more, he's ecstatic because it's proof that the scientific mindset never died, and even if Senku himself fails and dies someone else WILL carry on without him.
I thought that having what's his name as the outright villain of Dr. Stone did hurt it. Nothing that the story/Senku was trying to do actually needed him, nor was it even really relevant. He was literally a detour from the actual plot of the show. I'm sure the author got pressured or didn't feel confident enough to not include something like that. At least, i'd watch a whole season of Senku and friends just solving problems and stuff.
I'd watch season 2. Yeah it's more of what's his name being a militaristic threat, but it's fine. I enjoyed it.
Gonna have to watch Ascendance of a Bookworm, i guess.
Thank you SO much for not spoiling bookworm! Just enough information to make all your points and encourage others to watch it, while keeping the mysteries secret. It's an absolutely great show
girl i am so glad that this is a follow up to that isekai video, because i have felt a strong need for some GOOD FUCKING ISEKAI and i am 100% ready to sit down and binge ascendence of a bookworm based on your suggestion!!!
Do it!!!!!! Best light novel.
@@peterneimann9803 I agree, that one can not be put down. I’ll devour it as soon as It arrives.
I shall survive using potions, Average Abilities and my next life as a villainess are also quite good reads and all of female main characters. But bookworm is a class of its own.
Just watched My next live as a vilaness yesterday . I gave it a 7.
Nice meta plot and execution but nothing memorable, no history progression no character development.
It is refreshing to have something not fully escapist in the isekai genre to a point reverse harem is a " change" but after ep 3 there wasnt really anything new or changing anymore. :/
@@peterneimann9803 There is actually a lot more happening in the books, but even then it's not that deep.
Holy shit, you’re right. I can’t think of any female geniuses. I feel like if there were any, so many people would cry Mary Sue. I can’t believe I didn’t realize it until now, it seems so obvious.
Shiro, No Game No Life. Her brother is also explicitly a genius but Sora is the strategist while Shiro, the female, is clearly the more purely intelligent one.
Albedo, and the other floor guardians in overlord are geniuses. There's also the cast in kakegurui.
Koko from Jormundgand, the lead in Lovely Bones. Trying to think of others, but it’s definitely a rare archetype.
Entrapta is She-Ra, and the twins in Johnny Test.
female Genius like literally every Character Nisioisin writes
3 years later, and I'll be honest, of the two series, book worm is the one that I still am hooked on while dr. stone fell off hard for me.
The world building, the consistency of every detail falling into place for some reason or another, the characters. It's just on another level.
If I could have more of bookworm or bookworm like content, I'd be content. The closest I've ever found was a web serial called the mech touch, but even that has it's flaws and while it's my favorite written media, it's not something I'd say is better than a 6/10 because it has it's fair share of flaws.
Having caught up to part 5 volume 2 of the light novel (realizing that the first 3 seasons only take up 7 novels of the 25 that are translated and what is roughly going to end at like 35) book worm honestly continues to keep me hooked with the questions it makes you ask repeatedly. And honestly it's not fair how dirty they did it with the animation quality and honestly, how poorly the OP portrayed it.
Просто мир книжного червя это тот мир в который реально верится . там как например чтобы создать бумагу персонажам надо создать инструмент для производства бумаги . и особенно тот момент когда после договора с купцом Майн осознает что то что она видела в шоу по телеку не возможно воплотить и что стоит адаптировать знания к тому что у них есть. Сословное общество прекрасно показано на примере того что простолюдины не знают как живут дворяне. И даже Фердинанд не знает как живут фермеры хотя он посещает фермерские деревни. Все эти моменты делают мир живым и настоящим.
Hey, I just want to say that I really appreciate this fresh take on anime! Most of my anime watch habits are generally dictated by how many times I've heard the name of a show. Having a channel like yours to recommend anime I've never heard about at all is very much what I needed. Thank you!
Honestly I thought Bookworm was such a non-wish fulfillment that I initially believed Myne would succumb to her illness just before she prints her first book and Lutz would carry on her work. Thank god that hasn't happened... please no don't.
There is enough material for them to do 10+ seasons for bookworm.
Luckily nothing like that can happen anytime soon. The light novels are arranged into five “parts” with each part being longer than the one before it. Currently, the anime has only adapted the first part, and large amounts of the second part.
Bookworm may not really be about wish fulfilment, but it’s also not the kind of series that revels in making its MC’s life hell.
@@joshuaswart8211 bookworm could uses some darker parts really, you dont need to go Re:zero on stuff, but when every conflict ends up bit anticlimactic its gets a bit downer. But Mynes life is kinda hellish in its own right, but its the good kind of hellish, the one that builds up and makes her able to pay the world back with a smirk XD
@@MouseGoat I personally think it’s fine as is. The end of each part (so far) has been pretty cool and shakes things up. And many of us really like the more slice-of-life approach where we just see how this world works.
(Interestingly, one can tell that Bookworm takes up way too much time in my life seeing that I was literally on the Bookworm subreddit when I got the notification for this comment. XD)
Yesss thanks for this. I like Dr Stone and the shounen genre, but I really want more female/feminine writers and intended demographics, especially on parallel genre conventions and elements.
My nephew at the age of 4 was absolutely fascinated with my sewing up a seam in one of his toys. He literally thought it was magic because…I hate to say it, but because his favorite movie was Coraline. Yes he thought I was magic because the opening scene to the movie is the main villain creating a doll. Yes he had me repair another of his toys eyes with buttons. In fact, hilariously, due to my more domestic knowledge, I have had my siblings look at me and ask…am I magic? That’s fun. And this is domestic skills. Do I want to learn more? Sure. Candle making and crochet are on my list of “want to learn” but I have lots of of skills already. I also loved Ascendence of a Bookworm. My absolute favorite and I actually read the books and preorder the new ones because I adore them so much.
Update on this. Apparently my nephew wanted me to sew buttons in the eyes of his toys so he could use them as one way walkie talkies to me. He tells his toy all about what is going on or wants to show me and he assumes I can see and hear….the truth? His mom catches him at it and tells me about it so I am aware of some of it. My sister, his mom, tells me it’s because I’m his favorite relative. I appreciate it. It’s always flattering to be the favorite relative and always flattering for your kid relatives to assume you are so cool so you must have magic (I have tried to let him know I don’t, has yet to stick and I’m not willing to push it and distress him, especially given that at his current age it is perfectly age appropriate to believe in such things so long as they aren’t harmful). Anyway, though I would share that update. Also an update, apparently my brother also has watched Ascendence of a Bookworm and he and I are now both hooked on the translated light novels. Dr. Stone just didn’t appeal to us in its storytelling vibe though I give it credit, it’s nicely done. Just not the vibe my brother and I jive with apparently. Anyway! Thanks all for reading this!
Bookworm is so good because it has nuanced three dimensional characters that all go through their own development arcs as they interact believably. And these characters live in an a very nuanced world that is often at odds with their development. That’s it. Any story with these things will be good.
It’s funny you brought up shampoo and things in that vein because as someone who has read far ahead. After stone wars there’s a lot of stuff like that spread out throughout the story to be seen. Hope you are able to keep enjoying both series as they are very good.
Yeah i feel an anime in it's unfurnished state can't be fully judged. I would prefer if TH-camrs read the manga of a show they are discussing
I don't think I ever stopped and thought about how many male characters in general are described as "Geniuses" in comparison to female ones. That is a good point and I feel it's gonna stick with me now haha.
I'd wager the number of male to female genius characters is comparable to the number of male to female writers.
@SaphiraSeraphina
There are far too many variables to say whether the amount of published men/women ratio is sexism. It could easily just be far more men are writing, or even just a larger audience of men are connecting to “male” themes. Either could easily explain it.
We are seeing an increase in female writers and MCs over the years. Just like it happened for comics and games. So things are getting “better”.
Either way, representation shouldn’t take gender into account.
Orchestras tried to implement a blind into auditions then abolished it later because they saw an increase in male performers. Forcing female representation is just sexism against men.
@SaphiraSeraphina
Sorry, it was a blind audition. The musician's genders were not reveled. They were picked based on how they sounded.
A Male main character is described a genius compared to the other characters in the work. Shounen manga care more about being a genius than shojo mangas.
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Right?
I feel people don't understand correlation doesn't equal causation. They look at a result and assume a narrative that fits their bias.
The vid highlights Naruto.
So, a series following the top tiers of a traditionally male dominated role had many male geniuses and no female ones?
Shocked Pikachu*
Through the course of this video, I actually came to realize some key issues that are giving me trouble with becoming a writer. I am trans and so I was raised as male by a very masculine family, but as I embrace being trans more and more my interests are following. But I am not used to writing feminine stories, so I have trouble investing myself in my own stories because the worlds I build no longer fit my interests.
Just an interesting realization that came to me due to this video.
Also, this was my first video of yours, and you definitely earned the sub from me
I cackled at your placement of Jack Spicer among the "geniuses" when he is inarguably the most idiotic character in the entire show (also the best).
Jack Spicer is a genius who casually creates mechanical masterworks and can split his mind across several bodies without issue (and is notably the only character who doesn't have trouble using that particular wu). But he is also a sheltered rich kid leaving his parent's basement playing at being a super-villain, when he accidentally got drafted into an ancient war of good and evil
I will say I am more likely to watch more feminine anime as an adult male than I was as a teen... Maybe being a parent helps, but it's nice to have more variety in what goes into my brain.
Why does it need to be a feminine anime tho?
@@milesgwatidzo4143 doesn't have to be, but more often than not they offer stories you don't get in traditional anime targeted at teen boys.
Bringing up moe and just cringing into "anime was a mistake" is such a mood
I had to say something cuz Noralities kinda massacred my boy here lmao. I think Dr. Stone really needs to be analyzed through the lense of being a shounen. It is simultaneously the least "shounen" AND most "shounen" shounen I have ever seen and it's incredibly refreshing and entertaining to watch. It's the ONLY shounen I've ever heard of or seen that doesn't involve ANY supernatural or magical component to it's world and characters, it's just actual human beings living in the actual natural world. Additionally, at every turn when a situation presents where you think it's about to fall into the typical shounen stereotype or pitfall it subverts it completely and defies all expectation. The fact that a VERY shounen anime is taking place in a very NON shounen setting is just excellent and effective. Is there still a bunch of stupid shounen subplot and humor? Yes. And if you aren't a fan of shounens typically, you may not like this series, but as someone who watches dumb shounen as a guilty pleasure since I can do easily see all of their flaws and predictable pitfalls, Dr. Stone is simply a breath of fresh air. I can see why you may compare it to Ascendance of a bookworm with the reason you've stated, but I think they just really aren't comparable. Also, Dr. Stone treats its women much better than other shounens and the women are powerful and respected for the most part, and I think the reason they skip over the "domestic/feminine" tasks is because viewers most likely to already understand how sewing and the like work, whereas the chemical makeup of penicillin not so much. I don't think it's meant to devalue those tasks and frankly I think it's a mistake to even put those tasks into the "feminine" box in the first place, although I do understand what they represent for people who may have misogynistic views.
Anyway thank you for coming to my TED talk, I didn't think it would be this long lmao.
Season 2 of dr.stone gives backstory to the antagonists motivation
I loved the episode. I recently discovered Ascendance of a Bookworm about three weeks ago. Since then I have read all the translated LN. If you like the anime, read the LN. The anime covers the important part, but a lot of semi-important things just get skipped over. For example, the stuff with Lutz's parents. To me, it wasn't really clear what the resolution was in the anime. Lutz's dad isn't really a talker, so that contributes to it. But in the LN, we get an entire chapter from Lutz's dad's perspective. The anime also tends to gloss over details of the world. For example, Lutz's is offered a "dapla contract". What is a dapla? In the LN, they explain the two types of employees (although different made up terms are used).
I like Ascendance of a Bookworm because characters make decisions that make sense and details matter. I like that Myne just doesn't magically make everything work. She has to go through trial and error to make it work. I think the only thing that she doesn't do that on is on the shampoo. Everything else is a struggle because she can't just go to the arts and crafts store and buy what she needs.
Disclaimer: I am male.
The Ln's are so good. I've cried so many times already.
The anime fell short in quite a few places. The 2 min intro had no regard for the buildup/reward. Just flat out telling you what she'll accomplish.
The scene when Myne peeks into the kitchen to see her father by the fire was so powerful in the Ln. In the anime, it just shows his back. He's not even crying!
And lots of little things.
Overall the anime was well done, especially for an isekai, which are currently being flung out with no concern.
"Didn't I say to make my Abilities Average" had to be the worst adaption I've ever seen.
As someone who watched the anime and then went for the LN, I was amazed about the little, yet intriguing details that the anime skipped. Like the lehanges and lehens (I don’t know how to write it lol) etc. I truly live the LN.
Ps: can we ve mutuals? I want to have conversations with people who have watched/read the show.
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Yeah adaptations always cut details, it's just a question of how much.
Idk what "ve mutuals" are. I've just started commenting on TH-cam recently.
I’m a making a manga all about a girl who just wants to see her girlfriend again after getting tuned into a demon and ending up in hell so this helped me a lot with the Dos and Don’ts of this genre
Omg I want to read this so much. I need more lesbian manga to read I never have enough
I want to read this too! I'd love a tag or message when you got some stuff up~
Sounds fantastic
Yeah me too, although since a lot of people want unique characters I made my character compete different form myself. The gender is the same though. Male, it feels wrong to write the main character as a woman. It doesn't feel right, definitely something that was forced into my brain by society.
However, the story has 4 main characters. 2 are women and the weakest is a man. Because I really like the ideas I came up with that premise.
OK, I started watching Ascendance of a Bookworm after watching this video and I am LOVING EVERY SECOND!!! thank you!
You make a lot of great points and I totally see why you prefer Bookworm over Dr. Stone, and yeah the framing does mark the difference of Senku being a character audiences are meant to admire and be awestruck by his genius, and Maïn being much more relatable and grounded, and their respective conflicts reflect that. Also, as a Dr. Stone manga reader who has also watched season 2, without spoiling, you're not actually wrong, in fact the "stone wars" are refreshingly short and the plot goes in a direction where Senku and his friends have to keep developing technology to survive what happens next, because the threat escalates beyond people who're physically stronger than Senku.
"An anime adaptation cannot contain everything from its source material" That Time I Got Reincarnared As A Slime comes absurdly close. Season 2 even works in the side adventuring Rimuru does with the adventurer trio by making it the OP.
Eeeeeeeeh. Big stretch there. I would hardly say it includes it, it more just references it, and in some cases, like the bit where it shows Rimuru doing the test to get his adventurers liscence, it ends up contradicted what the anime said in season 1 (that fuse provided him the adventurers liscence instead of him earning it).
jjk aswell (jujutsu kaisen)
@@bubbalubber that's fair.
>Asks us to recommend female youtubers to her
>Recommend us all the amazing female youtubers that were recommended to her
ALL ACCORDING TO KEIKAKKU
I know this is two years old but i got incredibly attached to the book series for Bookworm after watching some of the anime, *because* of some of the problems within and wanted to see 1. It continue and 2. The changes 3. Being chronically ill, the idea behind *why* she is sick and how she refuses to stop is very appealing as well .the series is incredibly good. Dr. Stone ive always had a harder time getting into and ive tried more than once 😂
"Boys are less likely to watch anime directed at girls"
Me who loves fruits basket and bookworm: Am I a joke to you?
More like "Am I a bisexual to you" am I right?
Agreed. Host Club, From me to You, Villainess. For rewatches, CGDCT is my go-to.
You guys are the special cases.
@@Abattoir23 cool. We’re the men that like girl orientated anime that apparently don’t exist.
@@James-ml3nd
Its ironic how the vid claims subliminal sexism whilst being sexist.
Extremists are often hypocrites.
I had someone in the comments tell me boys aren't interested in cooking after, I kid you not, using Food Wars (literally shounen) as an example for another of their points.
Dr. Stone Manga spoilers ahead:
The story definitely keeps Senku on the ace spectrum and it's so wonderful to see what would normally be a "ship moment" between Senku and Kohaku soon gets shut down by another character. Iirc in one of the author's pre-chapter notes on character romances the author states that Senku thinks too much about his love for science to worry about loving another human or something along those lines. Also about Tsukasa, I do think he's not the greatest form of conflict out there, but between a "bloodless siege" and the grey morality of the whole situation I think Tsukasa does his job of setting up that no one side is going to be entirely in the right in the stone world and he does it pretty decently. Anyway, loved this video and all your content I've seen so far. Thank you for putting so much work into it!
"it's about a little girl making paper (and subverting social order in the process)"
yeah that is the best AoB abstract I can give to someone lmao
also you probably have read the LNs by now but I must urge anyone reading this to please please go read it
it's AMAZING
AoB and Hyouka are the two best light novels I have ever read - and I read a LOT
On the topic of Dr.stone, I wanna point out that Tsukasa actually isn’t the antagonist the whole time, if you read the manga(or possibly with S2) this section of the story is the “war” arc. Since the overarching goal in that story is the revival of humanity (and for senku personally to get to space) they have to find the ‘source’ of the petrification because it would be impractical to try and individually revive a few billion people. I think that’s also why they skip out on the ‘mundane comforts’, since the goal is much loftier probably for pacing reasons they skipped things that the so called Stone Age would have.
Basically I just wanted to say that despite the presentation of the first season, the story doesn’t stay focused on the conflict between science and anti science. I assume that was to make the invention of certain things more pressing or possibly a representation of how innovation tends to be rejected or fought against at first. Or maybe they wanted a ‘murder is possible’ threat and it wouldn’t be able to as easily when societal values come more into play and can be enforced. The conflict with nature is interesting, but because Tsukasa could kill a lion bare handed in like 30 secs that conflict was basically removed immediately, the only exceptions being where the collection or creation of certain materials is inherently dangerous. Honestly I think it’s because the story wanted to focus more on advancement than survival.
If you want a good ‘oh man we’re just reg peeps but nature is out to get us after the end of the world’ anime then I’d recommend 7 seeds. It brings up specialists vs non specialists and the advantages of each as well as different character relations and planning and how plans can fail. It also has monster creatures because why not. Plus the whole ‘these people are basically strangers and some of them have agendas and of course greed and power struggles and not everyone is a good person’ thing. It was super binge worthy. It weaves together multiple timelines which you think would be messy but I thought it did a pretty good job. It goes far more into the darker themes of survival and they actually started with supplies and such.
"Targeted for male audiences"
Me, a male that loves the story ever since the manga: You are... not incorrect
After this video, I’m definitely making a female genius character in my story who isn’t a heel-turn villainess.
Ok
Are you a genious though?
The ancient magus bride nobody ever tacks about that manga it is amsing and has had so much time and hard work and most of the caritor a wretin and it fits the well written female caritor that has lived with tram and going from wanting to die to wanting to like from nothing but the people around her it is amazing
Wut
I want to understand your comment but I can't, you should reread your stuff and put periods when commenting :/.
I think they mean The Ancient Magnus Bride, is a well written anime with good character development where the main character goes from wanting to die, to wanting something else because of the people around her, and the experiences that happen to her.
Btw I have watched that anime, and I thought it was a very beautiful story.
@@pandalily9499 Ohh, now that makes more sense, thank you!
I do love the ancient magus bride, but I also feel somewhat guilty because well, main character is literally a bought child slave who becomes a bride to a character hundreds of years old. They had more of a father/daughter relationship imo. Even if she's "consenting" the inherent power dynamic makes her "consent" invalid. Really fucking weird.
Yes! When I first watched Ascendance of a Bookwork it was a bit of a slow burn but it really had that “Finally some good Fucking food” vibe. After years of the same old dry Isekai recipes this anime is so refreshing to me. I miss anime’s like this that focus on female leads and their journey of hardship trials and failures etc. Myne has to figure out how to make paper and in doing so improves her family and friends living conditions/dreams. She doesn’t try to escape her situation or just looks out for herself but wants to help others along the way of getting to her goals.
the scenes in Bookworm that are just Maines family appreciating and enjoying the new comforts Maine has afforded them genuinely make me so emotional
I'm a simple person, I see a noralities video, I click on it
Yes indeed you are very very VERY simple minded 🙂
I love both of these characters and shows cause they use a "super power" that anyone can harness. I have to say I like Senku better cause I'm the kind of person that wants to learn how everything is made, even if it's things like turning a chunk of iron into a magnet using lighting. But seeing Urano/Myne use her knowledge of shampoo and then making a business just so she can get the supplies she needs to make books is fun, I just don't enjoy the magic fantasy aspect of the show or how she's so focused on making books that she tends to ignore everything else
I think you over-interpreted the "invention" on dr.stone.
dr.stone focus is on science and how science can be like magic, and how one invention can helps create an other and how everything escalate. Sewing, or cooking is not really science in that way. Once you have cloth, that's the end. Clothings are not use to make something else, nor food. They improve your life style, yes, but improving the life style isn't the focus of dr.stone (while still being a part of the show). The focus is on science, and how one thing you obtain helps you have an other thing. That's why the show doesn't focus on those inventions, because they won't help the plot that much.
On the other hand, bookworm is exactly about improving your daily life. That's how the main character of this show goes forward to try to obtain what she wants. Bookworm is more about social status and money than it is technologie. her invention are valuable because they can be sold and make her known (lifting her up in the society), two quality that doesn't make any sense in dr.stone.
I can understand the "day to day invention aren't the focus on a male oriented show" but I think it has nothing to do with how the shows actually handle things.
For a long time, science was a male thing, and everything that was related to a global level (economy, politics, medecine, etc.) was kept for men, while the woman were restricted to a more local level. So most day to day inventions ended up being invented by woman, like clothing, cooking or basic hygiène.
It just happens that one show tries to focus on science, which was developed mainly by man, and one show tries to focus on daily improvements, which was mainly developed by woman.
I don't think dr.stone ignore day to day invention because they are "more feminine" but because they don't help the plot.
for example, making basic tool like knifes isn't something "feminine" though the show gloss over this invention as well.
And the other way around, I don't think Bookworm focus on "feminine" invention just because they don't want to show "masculine" invention. The scale of the show just tend to regroup more invention made by woman.
From my perspective, Dr. Stone inventions are not meant to be "hey you can do this at home!! :D" it's about the inspiration that it gives people which biggest strength it's their own ingenuity. For you, the character from the other anime might seem more relatable since it's more "realistic", but for me Senku is one of the most inspirational anime characters I've ever seen. From the way his father gave him the tools to succeed to the unique ability to use all of his knowledge and to experiment with them, Senku made me feel like I could learn anything and apply it however I wanted to. It made me feel like my knowledge it's not useless, it's all about finding ways in which they can be helpful to a bigger purpose. Loved the video btw (:
me someone who barely watches anime at all but abesolutely can not get enough of people nerding out over stuff they love over the course of this video: holy shit The Owl House is an isekai
Wait… omg the The Owl House is an isekai. Why didn’t it just click until now?
I have a slight problem with you saying that Dr. Stone not explicitly showing every step of the more domestic process's is an issue, and it stems mostly from the core appeal of the series that you identified, as well as your evaluation that it reinforces the notion that women's work is less valuable. While clothes and cooking and day to day comforts are undeniably important, they are not and should not be considered explicitly feminine tasks, nor are they scientific advancement. All of those things have been around for as long as human society itself, they are the bare minimum requirement for a civilization to exist, and Dr. Stone shows us what it needs to for us to understand the beginnings, and the show tells us that it took Senku *6 months* for him to reach the point he was at, but its core focus is on science, not creation. It clearly does not demean the importance or the worth of such things, it even shows that food is undeniably important by having it be the FIRST thing they use to win over the villagers, but expecting that the series lose focus on its main identity, which is the science, is like walking up to a lemonade stand and demanding grapes. I understand that you and many other people would have enjoyed seeing the full process of Senku making his clothes or making a house, but if that's what you want to see, then you could have gone to watch *a separate show about historical fashion.* Dr. Stone is a series about the importance of scientific advancement, and while the mundane has its part in science, sometimes the most important part as the basis for the development of society as a whole, we all already know about the mundane, and we came to Dr. Stone to be shown the importance of science in making our modern society.
While I agree that they are not explicitly feminine tasks, Unfortunately we live in a society, and historically and even in many modern day cultures, they are considered as such. Thus her interpretation of them as such is not bizarre. Nor is their pushing aside something that can be taken as happening in a vacuum, entirely void of any meaning.
Also in the manga they apparently do go into things like that. So Dr. Stone is less not about those things, and more a victim of animes not getting infinite screentime and money to explore all the things that a writer might in slower paced media.
It is somewhat TELLING, that those things were the things that the anime choose to gloss over. And that is not void of meaning, meaning she rightly picked up on. They were deemed less important by someone with executive control, and were thus cut.
In the end however, I do agree that glossing over certain things make for a better show. Dr Stone the show's appeal not being the things that are glossed over, but instead the, as you said, Advancement. The more exciting things. Noralites clearly enjoys the little things that Ascendance of a Bookworm didn't gloss over quite a bit. She even noted some distaste she held to the things that that show glossed over as well. So, I think this is, at the end of the day, mostly a case of preferences, even though her thoughts and concerns on the matter are, very much, not to be dismissed with simply a 'well that's not what the show is for' as even if that were the case, that doesn't invalidate her criticism.
In a way, the fact that someone decided to make a lemonade stand, instead of a... grape stand, is sort of what she's talking about.
@@potatoesstarch2376 The thing is though somebody DID make a grape stand. She directly mentioned a show that she enjoyed about historical fashion, and she enjoyed Ascendance of a Bookworm for its time spent on the little things.
My statement that mundane tasks should not be considered feminine tasks was mostly meant to lead into my point about how Dr. Stone is about the science, and that the reason they were excluded was not because they are labeled as feminine, but because they are not scientific. To say they are glossing over these aspects of our society is in my opinion an overstatement, because it clearly does focus on how something like food is vitally important to our society by having it be the driving force for Senku in recruiting the villagers in his army of Science.
Of course I am not saying that Noralities concerns over this are not valid, that is exactly the reason that I went into detail about why I think they are being overstated instead of simply saying "Well the show is supposed to be about science." Her criticism is valid and her views are important, I just thought that her evaluation and assumptions about the reasoning behind the choice to exclude these elements in the show was more harsh than was deserved for a show that does what it IS trying to do so well.
@@potatoesstarch2376 nah, I think it's just her/your prejudices that makes them feel that way about the show. At the end of the day, it's because our morality and prejudices that we came into conclusions, not because of deep analysis.
I think your comment actually directly displays the bias we have towards the domestic and things considered feminine. I haven't watched doctor stone, but the idea that cooking and clothes are somehow non-scientific and don't display how science plays a part in modern society irked me. There is a lot of science and engineering that goes into those thing and it's genuinely incredible but people don't think about it a lot.
@@thetinykid4169 I never stated that they are non-scientific, only that they are not scientific advancement. Like many aspects of our society, clothing and cooking have evolved and progressed with society and the world, but they have always been fundamentally the same and are not scientific advancement. The invention of electricity, the invention of the weave and the creation of steel are all scientific advancement, and they all contribute to our improving ability to cook and to create clothing, but cooking and clothing are still the bare minimum for a society and in a modern society they are not what is scientific. They are however directly connected to things that are. In no way has the show devalued the importance of clothing and cooking, they are just not the focus of a story about building society anew from the ground up because you can't focus on one thing for too long or you will stagnate. The show actually directly shows the importance of cooking by having it be the primary reason they are able to convince the village to help Senku in creating his kingdom of science. Yes it is genuinely incredible and no people don't think about it a lot, but I fail to see how my comment displays bias towards domestic/feminine things as being less valuable or non-scientific.
As someone who can never get enough Bookworm content, I hope you do get into the light novels sometime. Your channel being recommended to me was probably the algorithm's best work.
I think an important distinction is that they’re really two very different genres and you say that really well with the fact that Dr Stone is basically Magic Schoolbus with shonen tropes. The shonen elements are ancillary to just keep it moving.
you know your point about marketing clearly female shows towards men reminds me of what happened to card captor sakura in the west
when it was dubbed as cardcaptors they tried to market it as a show for boys to the point where the FIRST EPISODE THEY SHOWED was episode 8 AKA: the one where the male co star debuts
not an anime but I think The Owl House does a good job of showing the protagonist being homesick
I also really like The Owl House and I love that even though she is in another world, her original world doesn’t cease to exist and is actually very important to her and it is even use as the climax of the first season.
Yeah, I was actually thinking throughout the video about how The Owl House has some isekai-ish properties (with Luz ending up in a different world and all.)
It also has a sort of different wish fulfillment (Luz wishes she could disappear into a fantasy world, finds the Boiling Isles aren’t what she dreamt of but they grow on her anyways) and a bit of found family in there with Ida and King while not totally abandoning her actual mother who comes up from time to time.
Also, LGBT representation. It was abruptly cut short in season 1 because one of the characters involved (not saying who for spoiler reasons) sprained their ankle, but it’ll probably show in season 2, whenever that comes out..
@@GoroAkechi_Real hello! I come from the future with wonderful food!
You know Amy, everytime that someone calls attention to the breaking of gender roles it ultimately undermines the concept of gender equality by impling that "this is an exception" and not the statuos quo
-Knuckles, from: Sonic Boom 2014
very wise
Actually, she is still Myne, the author said that she is Myne. She just remembered her past life as Urano because of the devouring.
Really? I hope that's true. I often think about how the first part is a young girl in pain who gives up on life and that makes me really sad. It would be nice to think she's just a part of Urano, instead of fading away.
Don't give up hope on Dr Stone!
The stone wars end in an interesting way and the following arcs are much more interesting
@@anartist3005 the last to manga chapters 🤤🤤
Finally some good content
Nah it's pretty bad
Unpopular opinion here
Honestly as i woman myself, i dont really care for the feminine creations (even though i make jewelry in my spare time) as im studying to be a biochemist. So, i find the aspect of Dr.Stone much more appealing and fascinating because that's kinda the stuff i always loved watching. Plus, i think it gives more love to chemistry(and other fields that Dr. Stone includes) and that it can actually be really fun.
While the bookworm started out interesting it kinda got too boring for me. Though if you like bookworm more than Dr. Stone thats totally cool we all have our own preferences and tastes.
As a Light novel reader of the Ascendance of a Bookworm reader, which it's volume 8- 26 at this time, where the anime stops at volume 7, the importance of what she makes had a domino effect and vastly more important than anything senku makes for convenience. I won't spoil anything, but where the series stopped was the true foundation of our lovable chaotic witty gremlin.
Can confirm, even though we're at 191 chapters in Dr Stone Senku is still ace even though there's a new girl added to the I guess harem of Kohaku and new girl.
Senku isnt lgbt he is just to focused on science to care about love. Confirmed by the authors
@@alexrojas2736 Even though lgbt+ community welcomes all people on ace and aro spectrum, not everyone with that identity has to belong to lgbt+ community if thay don't want to. Some people also don't like the lebels and just stay single and that's also fine
@@elionl1299 but still if the author hasnt said hes ace or sum he isnt and knowing the type ot story it is senku will most likely end with kohaku
@@alexrojas2736 well thay didn't say he is straight so why would you assume that other than treating it as the 'defoult' or 'straight until proven otherwise
@@alexrojas2736 Until I see evidence that he is straight beyond "default" im going to assume he is ace at this point because theres more evidance pointing towards that than straight
Yay as a fan of both who also happens to be tired of isekai!!! I remember when you first uploaded your houskei no kuni analysis vids! Aw man I love this do much sorry I had to comment I love you so muchhhh
I actually really love this anime. Dr Stone fell flat with me in it's second season, so I get it. Although, I do think bookworm is overlooked due to its story structure and presentation like you say in so many more words. The quickest way to describe it, is I think, "this is the story of a bookworm and her struggles in being reborn in another world without anything familiar to her, in a weak childs body, and her efforts to overcome it." It's short, sweet and doesn't give spoilers. Though... for the mindful it will lead to questions.
Stuff like sewing and weaving is really hard. It would be implausible for a single guy to finish any construct with those techniques in a day or two. One thing that Dr Stone seems to disregard is the importance of civilization, where a large number of people work towards a common goal with their specialized jobs.
That is true. And it’s covered in detail in a sentence of a bookworm. Since she constantly has to go to different shops to get different things made. And is constantly trying to find supplies or substitutes for things that she needs. Or even finding the names of things that she needs so that she can get them. Like when she needed lime. She didn’t know what they called it.
I'd say myne is way more relatable than senku. I love senku but me being nowhere near as knowledgable as him makes it pretty hard to relate to him. He is way better than other genius characters but Mynes story is more about character interactions, worldbuilding and the influence she has on the world than the actual iventing themselves.
I agree but, I don't know if he made an appearance 6 months ago, but that's pretty much why Chrome is there, we relate to him instead of Senku. But to be honest I relate to Senku a lot more than either of them because of the reason he likes science in the first place. I've rarely met someone like me(outside of the internet) in that regard
I think my two favorite examples of non-action Sakuga is... Dr stone's Sunflower Scene and the Breakfast scene from Erased
My favorite non-action Sakuga is Joshiraku's "please think of the animators" moment.
People underestimate the sheer butterfly effect level of influence the printing press had. Like oh my god I don’t even know where we’d be if we never created it as a species.
They do go into what each of her inventions entails. How it could put entire industries out of business. Who the vested interest are. And how to deal with each one so that they can move forward. Paper and ink are revolutionary enough without even having a book.
The Gutenberg press didn’t pop out of nowhere like it doesn’t the book. It replaced earlier printing methods that were much less efficient. The individual letters were the key.
Senku's godlike prodigiousness definitely necessitated a more tangible villain.
Dr.Stone didn't skip over the "domestic" or "feminine" parts of survival, they skipped over the parts that would have been boring or too unrelated to the scientific progression of society. Sure they gloss over pottery and sewing and cooking, but they also gloss over butchery and hunting and woodcutting, because they aren't what they're trying to show and teach about. It also has a bit of a problem with glossing over things in general, for example it massively oversimplified glassmaking and the materials required to make the durable glassware he does, it is by no means a problem related to gender roles, it's a problem of how they trim down/simplify the story. I feel like this is an example of if you look for something everywhere (sexism) you'll find it everywhere, even where it isn't (simplifying survival to focus on scientific advancement) and missing the forrest (the actual problem) for the trees (a specific instance of the problem that suggests sexism).
I do agree with this, that in this case it’s about the focus of the story, one being the advancement of science, and the other being the advancement of society. Also, on the point of Tsukasa, him being an antagonist does help the story, by giving the characters reasons to create certain technologies that they otherwise wouldn’t have needed at that point. Sure, it’s also to add ‘cool’ things like katanas and such, but previously to this, they’d not have any need for radio transmissions, there was no other known group. Then there’s the other thing to consider, the settings themes. In Dr. Stone, the main goal is to build enough to go to space while still staying faithful to the science behind each step, that’s its main motivation. In Ascendence of a Bookworm, the focus is much more on the interpersonal relationships, and society as a whole, the characters don’t exist in a vacuum. It’s also a much more faithful depiction of people, and how they’d react to these changes. As weird as it might sound, Bookworm, despite being the series with magic, tries to be more realistic than Dr. Stone. However, as someone who’s read the mangas of both series, as well as the first seasons of the animes, I can confirm that in Dr. Stone there are female geniuses, I believe Yuzihara also gets referred as one when it comes to arts and crafts, in fact, almost all the revived people Senku interacts with a extremely talented in one way or another, male and female alike. Of course, Senku being the main character means that he’s just that much smarter, as all battles are battles of wits and intelligence, which is far from what Bookworm is about. Bookworm instead has its battles be of social and physical natures, of not giving up in the face of adversity. It’s just more down to earth. In the end, I like both series, and I can definitely agree that the ‘male power fantasy harem’ story is generally pretty boring as the characters often feel flat.
When I look at the fact that Dr. Stone doesn't explain things like clothes making, I would have told you that I didn't even notice it. I just took what's presented to me, like how to get a magnet, how you make antibiotics, and hell even how to make colorful fire. Of course, I can't remember every step in how to make an antibiotic, to then "mimic" it, but it doesn't bother me, it's fun to watch how they get to the point where they finally made it (and maybe the fact that they blew my mind by making high tech medicine in a stone world). On that journey, I can even learn something myself, but it's not things I can make on a daily basis like in Ascendance of a Bookworm (shampoo). And that little story of a bookworm has its own charm. Yet my preference is that what blows me away and Dr. Stone sure does (and make me laugh... hard bc it is my humor).
And I think it's the direction the story wants to go that makes both stories so different. I mean Myne wouldn't have made some crazy things to... cure the sickness or some sort, yet decided to make Shampoo first bc it was necessary for her situation. And Dr. Stone wouldn't archive any progress in the storytelling by making a hairpin or some sort, because it's also a Shonen battle anime, that is drama-driven, which need such crazy inventions from him to entertain and go forward (it's not a critic on Ascendance of a Bookworm that it can't entertain, but only a compliment towards Dr. Stone specific).
And yeah I'm here after season 2 soooooooo (and it's not only about fighting like 90%)
((and I'm sorry for my bad grammar and I hope my intentions via arguments are delivered well enough to understand it :(
bu but.. they do explain the clothes making
@@90bubbel60 but as the video says it only showed the process in a bare minimum. My point is that those factors are shortened bc they don't really push the point foward as some other inventions :)
Maybe I should have wrote it differently, but when I wrote it it was around 2 am so yeah
@@hawwwkx or because its extremely basic how to make clothes and not especially interesting
@@90bubbel60 maybe that too
Dr stone taught how to make soap and kill bacteria in food too you know...
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"if he had the resources of a medieval city he would be running as their new god in a month" that phrase made me laugh so much