The key is movement! Get out of bad muscle memory to feel relief. Every Day! If you hurt, get moving and stretching. You wont get better by sitting still. If you use it wrong or dont use it , you loose it✌
Found this out recently after having several Atlas adjustments which is moving vertebrae /body parts back to where they should be. The body aches because it doesn’t like it. Walking, however discomforting, makes a big difference in how I feel. After about 10 mins.the discomfort settles down.
I had really tight calves and after rolling with a small hard ball, it hurt like a bitch but my ankle mobility has improved a lot and my balance and coordination improved dramatically and I’ve gotten faster
@Elisha I am watching this video in 2023. It’s amazing. I see lots of value in it. Also the fact that you respect your time and make it short enough to convey your experiences
I am new this this and so glad to have found out this video from 7 years back. At 3:20 she talks about how pain can change when we engage all the bodily and mental systems involved with fascia. Looking forward for more
Thank you for sharing your experience. As a massage therapist highly trained in myofascial release, I was really disappointed in your video. You were absolutely correct in that a Swedish/relaxation massage will not do much to change the fascia. It takes skill and training to learn to release fascia, but a massage therapist can absolutely change the fascia, you just need to find the right one.
thnks for saying that... i am a craneal osteopath and i totally agree with you, release the fascia is possible and easy with manual therapy if you know how to do it
The problem is that the word massage, and it's registration or certification is used for all touch therapy except medical (MD prescribed), OD, or DC) is regulated as the word"Massage". The deep compression with movement work is also legally under the term, "Massage". Massage is a circulatory enlivening and relaxation way of treating a person through touch and pressure. The other disciplines need to have their own provenance. Their curricula are largely distinct from massage.
YES! A therapist that learns how to listen with their hands and work with the breath of the client and themselves can do this. Great Myofascial release training can make a big difference. You actually feel the unwinding of Fascia.
I've told that my body responds beautifully to any form of holistic healing. I think the main reason why is because when a practitioner is working on me, I tell myself "okay, this is healing my body, this is healing my body" throughout the whole session. And it always works!
Interesting. Performing self-compassion meditation can also do wonders. I have tried it, my body feels much more lighter after it. Another meditation is "letting go". If you wanna look into it, start with buddhist meditation.
@@patrciaclemons8183 what are you saying is western medicine? Myofacial Release is a modality of massage therapy. Which dates back as early as 3000 BCE in India. The idea of "Myofacial Release" dates back to 1904, as "fibrositis." Then "trigger point" came about in 1939. Then in 1960 the term "Myofacial Release" was coined by an osteopath that studied with Ida Rolf. She created a type of massage/bodywork called Rolfing, which is an interactive, very deep Myofacial release.
This is incredibly useful - I’ve totally been telling people that with careful, gentle breathing and movement with daringly, gently, patiently focused intent, you can very slowly, over time, move your fascia. I had a massive injury 15 years ago that i’ve been gradually improving, for some time - using this philosophic approach. Just subscribed after seeing this one video - I hope I find more things on the subject when I have time to come back
I’m surprised to see people so upset over her video, but I can understand, the problem is that this is quite complex and she could probably talk for hours! I really appreciated the video and completely understand and 100% agree with her. I have found working on my own body that when I find the “tension point” through meditation-guided body awareness I will hold it there and then “find” a trigger point belonging to that web of tension and press, and simultaneously very slowly move that area in the different “lines” of tension. The movements have to be very subtle or else I will “step out” of the line of tensions. Anyways, I believe science will one day make drugs for healing fascial inflamation (yes it will become recognized as an organ and as such monetized). I also have my own theory, that some people have “hyperfascia” so their fascia tends to grow abnormally really fast if they get injured. Then there’s the spiritual connection to fascia... I’m not a masseuse or PT or anything medical I’m just fascinated by fascia (I guess I have a fascial fascination haha). I think the fascia “hold” information that if we could one day use an imaging device to visualize would revolutionize healthcare. We could see where on the body there are fascial constructions and inflammation and adhesions all that. And also see how a person “holds” their body to diagnose mental illnesses.... potentially... or gain on insight on a persons mental or physical status. I’ve almost thought about going back to school to study fascia. My pt said I respond really well to myofascial therapy, I literally experience profound healing from 1 session, so much that I almost felt like I was on drugs when I left and my forehead felt like it was melting. I think good therapy like this causes the body to release certain chemicals, but the person also needs to be receptive to it. One last thing, when I feel profoundly relaxed (something that rarely happens inside my body as I have a condition that I WILL heal from I don’t even like saying what it is because it gives the “disease” more power) so when I feel profoundly relaxed inside my body (like my muscles have finally “let go” I become magically aware of all my fascial constrictions... it’s like a deep part of my brain turns on.. that healthy part before this disease that intuitively knows proper body alignment without any cognition just pure feeling... and then I will feel the fascially constricted places all at once as I become aware of “two layers” in my body, the “defective” fascial body “suit” and my pure “energetic” (neurologically connected to health and correct body alignment that we “know” is right from birth) body that is far more profoundly experienced than the fascial body suit... it’s like a light turns on and I realized that my fascia is just a “body suit” that I am wearing... I am not my fascia. The key or rather the journey is to integrate this fascia body suit into my “energetic” suit, and to do so I need to break the fascial deformities/restrictions. Because what I feel when I say fascial body suit is more like “restricted” fascial body suit. Once the restrictions are gone the fascia is no longer something separate from my naturally aligned body state (or energy state or neurological equilibrium whatever you want to call it).
One more comment... or question... lol. Do you think that the fascia can go into spasm? Just like muscles can go into spasm? I’ve looked into this and found that yes indeed fascia possibly has some motor neurons though not much. The reason I ask is because I’ve had certain spasms in my back/neck that I can’t say were muscle spasms... but definitely a spasm of some type (and when my pt using myofascial release worked on it I actually felt worse because he release part of the spasm in only the area he was targeting and the rest of the “sheet” absorbed the spasm/energy which was a very awkward feeling). The thing is is it possible for some people to be so physically sensitive/aware that they can trigger a certain fascial complex to spasm on its own through maladaptive body postures and mental fixation? Am I making any sense lol. Lastly, I want to say that unlike all the other organs of our body the fascia is the one that has a spatiotemporal connection to the world. I also believe it is why it has a little bit of motor neurons scattered inside it. Perhaps those motor neurons are also a type of sensory neuron that aids in this body awareness of space. Which brings me to a point I made in my previous comment, it is a physical link to our spiritual expression. Other organs of course are also linked spiritually but in a less direct way, they’re more of the foundation for our spiritual being, while fascia is a sort of medium or substance for that expression. Spiritual or mental or whatever you wanna call it. Anyways, fascinating stuff. I apologize for the free flowing rant of my comments, I just don’t have time to write a succinctly made comment especially when I’m feeling very passionate about what I am talking about!
I read all you typed I have to say this is very interesting...and I can say that I agree with the feeling of the body suit I like the way you worded alot of things you do sound very intelligent (a bit manic but hey I get that way too, esp when it comes to something I deal with all the time and trying to explain it/a possibility of a solution,and yes passionate about the subject, not saying it's a bad thing so don't take it the wrong way💓) I just wanted to show you my appreciation for what you took so much time to type and I hope one day you feel better cuz even I don't think I could endure what you explained that you deal with all the time. Sending good vibes, thank you!
As A massage therapist that works with the fascia daily, and has helped many a client by releasing it, your video is very miss leading and only your opinion. As long as you take your time and follow what the body tells you, you can change and free the fascia to release chronic pain and restricted ROM.
I have many friends that have suffered serious fascia pain and the work from outside as mentioned in this video did not solve it. That's why I was seeking videos and books on this topic. The commonality is issues with parents while everyone else is celebrating happiness with their parents.
Yes. As a Structural Integrator (massage based on Ida Rolf's work) ALL I do is work with fascia... But we DO utilize compression and movement. Her statements around massage therapy are absolutely biased and a bit misleading, but as always, people should research things. I do, however, agree that not all "massage" is of the same value. This is actually why I call myself a body worker vs a massage therapist because the assumptions around what 'massage' is varies greatly from person to person. I think it was remiss of her to skip over the fact that there are many forms of bodywork and massage that are helpful and deeply therapeutic, like Rolfing and Structural Integration, but honestly if she only had 1 year experience in the field, that would explain a lot of that because she also was clearly not trained in fascial work.
Agree. I have had fascia released from an external therapist I would say quickly. There is also a healing process. But I was shocked at the transformation, and how long I had been “stuck”. The internal transformation is finding someone who does myofascial release, getting yourself to make an appointment and showing up.
@bina nocht bodywork should never be painful. A huge part of our work as therapists is to communicate with, listen to, and watch our clients for feedback. If the body is in pain, it automatically refuses bodywork and therefore receives no benefit. You MUST earn trust by listening to the body and follow it where it asks you to go. Some clients will say they need more pressure than necessary because "it means I need it" and that's exactly why I say we must also watch. I say I listen with my ears, my eyes, and my hands... Because while a client may say they are OK, their body could be signaling a very clear NO. I am sorry you have had bad experiences with your bodyworkers in the past 🧡 it really is a shame that some people make their work about them instead of their clients.
@@schottschottable structural integration is brilliant but I live in Ontario and there’s literally a handful of Rolfers and 20,000 massage therapists. It’s definitely not the norm in massage. Do you believe an injury area with tight fascia from previous scarring needs to have ROLFING done and then the next step is to strengthen the muscle? Does Rolfing go hand and hand with stretching. I had a great experience with it two years ago but the tightness came back and I’m trying to figure out what to do. I was thinking Rolfing mixed with yin yoga and then strengthening the muscle with the tight fascia?
I must say that this is the most informative and interesting comments section I've ever read on yt... thanks to everyone who posted on this informative video 🙏😊
She is correct that compression and movement is the key, just a massage would not create that, unless there is movement like elishe says i have noticed improvement in my hips in under 2 weeks so far, i find it also takes commitment with the fascia
@@sherryjones5082 many of her other videos show it, but basically you compress with an object such as a block or ball, say by sitting on the floor and placing your calf on a tennis ball. Then you do a voluntary movement of rotating your leg, say inward. That creates the compression and voluntary movement, across a muscle group.
Rolfing uses this principle... the practitioner pins the tissue (compress) where they want it and then asks for the client to initiate a specific movement. Because the movement is client initiated, it fires the nerve endings and recalibrate. So it is the combination of mechanics (compression) and neurology (self-sensing feedback loops) that create change.
How would you go about getting compression plus movement? Are you saying to tell your massage therapist to do that? I feel like they wouldn’t know what I mean. Or is this more of a physical therapist situation? I don’t understand how to practically implement this technique.
@@ruthanneswanson A.R.T. practitioners are familiar with this technique and can often be found in a chiropractic office. Google can help you locate one near you.
Thai massage and Shiatsu work because they are based in the 12 meridian (electromagnetic path) system. The energy flows, fascia releases when one knows keypoints on the meridian systems. Trigger point therapy is like a 'western' version of using the meridians. This might be what she is trying to explain not knowing about meridians or just not thinking people would understand.
As a client who has seen over 40 massage therapist, they have all heard of fascia release but almost none can or are willing to even when you explain it to them. I have learned to do it myself! Thank Hod for her videos, to help bring awareness to the massage trade!❤
I am a massage therapist and an FST practioner (fascial stretch therapist) and I can tell you, fascia can definitely be affected effectively, with lasting results, by outside forces by a skilled therapist. Just like any proffesion, there will be Michael Jordans and bench players. Both are basketball players, but one is in a league of their own. Its the same with bodywork. What might not work with one therapist, can absolutely be benificial when recieved from a different, more skilled therapist. Sounds like she's gotten work done by average massage therapist who probably didnt know how to release fascia properly and worked the muscles more than the fascia.
Hi, I have had a chronically tight lower back for several years after landscaping my garden over the space of a year, lifting hundreds of 23KG+ bags of gravel with poor technique. My lower back tightened up to counteract this force I put upon them. I have finally started stretching, but find it boring and hard to commit to it, especially as I have a physical job and when I get home from work I am tired so don't feel like stretching. I am wondering how much massage could help release these muscles? and which type of massage is best, would it be best if I went to a clinical masseuse?
Apparently, the video's author has not heard of Rolfing, Bindegewebsmassage, or Neuromuscular Therapy. Using words like "I think" and "probably" indicate her experience and education are limited.
@@footyball66 , First, please stop calling them all ''masseuse". 😛 And, Yes__there are various modalities in the realm of massage/bodywork that may benefit your situation. You have to do your own research in defining and categorizing them with regard to your specific requirements. At the same time, it would also be wise to learn and implement proper 'functional' exercises to strengthen your back and pelvic girdle muscles. Hope you find this information useful. Love, Light, and Healing Blessings. 🙏😇✨💫🌱🌿🌻🐝🌳🌎💖🙌😺
This makes sense to me. Try doing Tai Chi or any other internal art for a couple of years and see for yourself how much time and repetition it takes fascia to truly undergo significant change. With that said, I don’t think she’s saying massage therapy or myofascial releases are useless. Just that if you want long lasting change, perhaps you need to put a little work in yourself to preserve that change instead of hoping someone else will do it for you.
Wow!! As a LMT with 14 yrs of practicing myofascial release, this commentary stung me a bit. Any serious body worker understand s the value of multiple, dimensional approaches to addressing stubborn issues. With that being said, I and many of my clients can personally testify that it is absolutely possible to release restrictions as low as level 4 of the fascia system (visceral), working superficially at the skin. It takes practice to develop the sense touch and patience to achieve that. This is not something experienced by a 1 yr massage therapist or, an occasional spa treatment receiver.
Also she links that and other videos in the description for this specifically (I had a look after the video to see if there was more info). Hope that helps and take care 😊.
Fasciae unwinding is a beautiful way to change the fascia from the inside.. it has its own innate healing ability as does the whole body- I have been teaching this and clients release on many levels, physical, emotional and mental. :-)
Yes! I agree with your analogy. I have been a massage therapist for 18 years and it is my opinion that sustained stretch (to heat up adhesions in the fascia) with compression and active skeletal movement is key to affecting change in this myofascial webbing, which can be achieved with certain kinds of massage techniques but for most approachs to massage, in addition to the relaxation effect is the blood and lymph fluid boost of movement within the body. I think of massage like giving the inside of the body a "bath". An internal cleanse of the body and mind. I am also a yoga instructor and I utilize myofascial release techniques in the yoga class format.
I recommend looking into the definition of fascia if you watch this. What component, exactly, are you referring to? Is it the dense connective tissue? Is it the loose connective tissue? What part of the dense or loose connective tissue? Cells, fibres, ground substance? If you want to understand the behavior of fascia, you need to understand the behavior of its components, and the interplay between them.
I made this video at a time when a few hundred people were watching my content each week in succession and had no idea it would be shared so many times by people not watching my other content...good lesson for me, to be sure. If you want to use this theory for yourself, check out the bulk of my TH-cam content (LOTS of videos for self help pain relief) which demonstrate how to use compression and movement to release fascia. I also have videos showing me working on clients with my in person method called Kinetix, which is what all of my self-help techniques try to mimic. Thanks for your comment, it's a valid point!
use heating paid (very light heat over diffuse area) for a long time, and then when you're nice and opened/warmed, do gua sha. Heating pad is ESSENTIAL to getting fascia to cooperate.
Great piece of Information. Recently i got relief from back pain that was there for 3 decades. This fascia was hardened and was deep down. Hot fomenting followed by compression with elbow, followed by cupping finally helped.
@@aniket1969 I am homeopathic doctor so I didn't take any help from outside other that Physiotherapist. Backache started with sprain that became chronic. What adds is attitude to take too much responsibility, and digest bad behaviour of others that leads to sleep problem. SO, get rid of of toxic people around you, try to improve sleep and use elbow to loosen the muscle knot that is preventing blood flow. 1 month good sleep will repaid that: I do yoga for flexibility. Very important is to state right as right and wrong as wrong. Once you are free from stress, elbowing and exercise will smoothen it. Good wishes!
@@kellieleachmeyer The first thing I would suggest is to look for or get diagnosed if there are degenerative changes in the area where nerves are forking to the limbs. If there are, get homoeopathic medicines for that. No one believes but it works. Rhus Tox C1000 for example, but it should be according to the symptoms. 2nd thing is to change the types of food we eat. Again huge problem, what to say without. 3rd thing is to manage stress! Backache == Long-standing stress. 4th thing is to avoid negative people around you to make 3rd possible. The 3rd will make the second possible and the second will stop the degenerative changes. I generally use homoeopathy and massage (Yoga, targeted exercise) from here onwards.
"Meant to be bullet-proof" is problematic. It seems to *me* that the "strength" of biological systems is that they are constantly adapting, rather than resisting change. The strength of a biological system is a range of behavior without become destabilized and falling apart, *not* being immutable to external events. The classic Chinese parable is the example of the Willow Tree, it bends in the storm and so does not break.
So many negative comments. I agree with her. Whatever discomfort in the body we feel its there for a reason. I hear massage terapists and cliens here but even if the massage creates a releif, it's not long lasting because we'll keep doing whatever we had been doing that got us there in the first place. We must allow that healing with our awareness and change our ways to allow that healing to be permanent.
Good description of the fascia and purpose. Bob Cooley's method of Resistance Stretching and Strength training targets exactly what you are talking about. The change happens within as the client is resisting the movement from the trainer. The movements also correlate with the Chinese medicine meridian lines so it works the body as a system to reorganize and rebalance. He calls it a subtractive technology. I am an Elite Trainer and haven't found any other method that strips away accumulated dense tissue and scar tissue like this one. And it is. pain free. I have been doing massage for 18 years and this method works in only a few sessions. Yes, clients need to be aware of what they want to accomplish in the session.
But Elisha you haven't really told us what we can do? I though foam rolling or massage would be considered 'compression' and movement - so what are we supposed to do that is not an 'external' compression?
I think that, I see it as, fascia + the Endocrine system are critically under appreciated for their centrality to what it feels like to be you, to be alive. I think I really messed mine up a few ways over the years. The point here is I got into attempting to map my sensations better. While doing that I started exploring ways, some movement, some touch, some duration holds, +, to great effect! I was moving better blah-blah. Subtle movements. Then I started looking into what others said about stuff. Found some great sources. A reality check for me! Yes, ask. Ask your body! I learned a few years ago that the route in to deep healing was asking! I know, right, crazy! I even say to people something like: I don't want to go all Disney about it, but ask, ask out loud, take up a dialog with your 'body'. The part that becomes brilliant is the attitude is infectious so while doing little thing, noticing subtle feelings, I ask & get responses! Most often what answers come are in the form of greater detail to my inner mapping.
Massage, la crosse balls, back knobber all help me immensely. I’m getting massage because it reduces my pain for weeks to months. It is lasting relief for me but I’ll check out your other videos and see what’s up.
Unfortunately I was on accutane 20 years ago and I have had pain ever since! Especially in my thoracic, shoulders, chest... I practice yoga, meditate, get massages, and even got to a chiropractor... I can’t help but wonder if the acne medication could have caused changes in the fasciae?
I know antibiotics can have a big impact on fascia, so it's possible the acne medication can too. Your lymph system lives in the superficial fascia, and you have a TON (70% of your total) of lymph nodes in your neck. So maybe there's a relationship there. You could try a January video I put out about releasing the neck lymph/fascia for starters. Fascia will heal! You just have to open up the channels so blood can flow and waste can move out.
I agree that an outside force alone is much less effective than stimulating internal cues and moving from somatic awareness - from your own body's sensory awareness - from the inside with bodymind unity. I would be interested to learn if you have experience with LiquidBody or Continuum - a fluid approach to movement that uses sounds and breath to cue sensation that can stimulate an internally directed movement practice.
Mantak Chias book, Iron Shirt Chi Kung explains it way deeper and how the fascia is meant to be pressurized like a balloon inside the body. He explains how to pressurize the three layers of fascia.
@@divineunique77 I read the book for ten years or so, a step at a time. In retrospect, I should have read it all the way through at first and then back through it again slowly. Years later, unexpectedly pressurized the fascia layers in Kundalini yoga class after doing sodarshan for about an hour a day for a few days in a row.
I find your theory not only interesting, but quite sensible. Thank you. IMHO, everyone should learn how to do their own self-massage therapy and myofacial release, unless you have the time and budget for frequent visits to a masseuse, DC or PT professional. Learning self-massage/release techniques is one of the best gifts I've given to myself. I give them to myself while on walks, bike rides and - in particularly - 'swimming'. For example; I always take my snorkel and fins with me to the pool when I take my daily swim. With snorkel and fins on, I simply float upright in the deep end (face down in the water). I can then hold on to my hamstrings with both hands while I 'bicycle' one leg at a time. Talk about active release! It works and feels incredible as you are weightless, balanced like a cork, and your muscle facia is much more soft and flexible. The fins allow you to give your hamstrings a vigorous workout after 5 or so minutes of intense facia release,. You can 'shake it out' with a vigorous horizontal lap swim. It's really incredible. The snorkel and fins also let you easily perform release on your shoulders, arms and torso while you either swim prone or on your back. Or, you can just hang vertically and bicycle. Lastly, when I'm at home, I always use a heating pad prior to massaging, as well as during the massage wherever I can. Heat is the best muscle relaxer and the next best thing to a nice warm swimming pool, IMHO.
I'm interested if heating the fascia via infrared sauna or hot bath prior to movement or message would help facilitate more movement? I remember doing three sets of a hundred reps no weight squats with feet spread far apart and toes pointed outward. I was almost able to do a full split afterwards do to warming/stretching the tendons(I believe).
Dear Elisha, your ideas are really interesting! It seems you're attentive to the body. Go study Structural Integration and you'll discover you can move fascia and change it, sometimes with a very gentle work. You're right about talking to it. Good luck!
Active Myofascial Therapy encompasses what you lectured about-compression and movement and achieves fast results with little to no pain. Irene Diamond- Creator of Active Myofascial Therapy, Eric Brown, Michael Young, Stuart Taws, Tom Meyers. All are effective bodyworkers and massage therapists and incorporates all or some compression and movement in their work. I agree with some of what you said- fascia can not be easily changed by an outside force-thus the outside force such as from the massage therapist has to take it slow and not use brute force. Take up the slack, sink and hold and wait for the release. No matter what type of bodywork you receive, changes from any type of outside force will not be long lasting if the person and all of their fascia returns to the same habitual patterns that led to the need for bodywork. I am a massage therapist also. Thank you for sharing your insights.
Thank you for the thoughtful comments! As a former massage therapist who specialized in myofascial massage and pain relief, I have a lot of respect for massage as a general modality and fascia specialist even more so. It's been a while since I watched this video but I believe I said that very talented myofascial massage therapists probably could create change, while generally speaking massage as a modality probably won't. And yes, while our habits play a critical role in how long those changes last, it's been my professional experience since 2008 that with the right kind of work (which in my opinion has to include talking about and correcting some of those habits), pain can and does go away in just a few sessions and doesn't come back. I appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts and experience!
Talking and releasing is exactly what Hellerwork does and seems to very effective. I guess you can say mind body plus massage at the same time instead of seperately.
I totally agree with the fascia approach however I dont understand what you mean by compression of it - can you explain what you mean by this - I can't imagine what it would be like to compress my arms whilst trying to stretch and work them. Ty for the video ❤.
Maybe I missed it… But what sort of movement are you talking about? I would love to work on my fascia, and I see the value in that, but I didn’t see or hear where you were talking about exactly what to do other than compression and movement.
She says something extremely important here. Surface solutions are not the answer. Fascia holds all of our memory and is not likely to be altered much by the outside, which I see as force...even if it be a gentle force..like massage. It must come from an internal release...which may have some type of outside action accompanying it...or maybe not. A woman wanted to test her theory, and asked her doctor to put her leg behind her head while under anesthesia. He complied and successfully put her into a pretzel. She could not even come close in her waking state. The nerve/mind connection is the issue... the memory that runs through the path of least resistance. Becoming softer from the inside out. This may be vague..but this is not meant to fill in the blanks...it's to give a shift about how to experience this beautiful connection between the inner and outer world, and know that there is no separation.
Thank you, well said. The "initiation" for change must come from inside or it won't last. That initiation can come from the brain and body communicating to conduct movement, or it can be conscious engagement of the nervous system to feel what's happening and know the next right step to take. Very much appreciate you sharing your thoughts!
I do have a "massage therapist". Her work is called "Rolfing" ("Ida Rolf" developed this fascia-releasing-technique). My Rolfing-massage therapist already helped me with pain in both of my shoulders. After the first massage 90% of the pain was gone. Since the second massage I have been 100% painfree in my shoulders and it still holds on two years later. But I have to say I go to the Rolfing-Specialist every two months so she can release step by step all fascia from toe to head in my body. She also helped my sister with pain in her hips. That also needed two times.
This is the incredibly foundational strategy of "anchor and stretch" that I learned from Art Riggs' book "Deep Tissue Massage: A Visual Guide To Techniques". It's amazing (and disconcerting) how few LMTs understand how and why to do this.
Art Riggs is a Rolfer and Rolfing is the grand daddy of all these ideas that she has, most of which is correct, except for some of the sentences that start with I believe. The principle she is trying to explain is called mechanotransduction. Movement, for example, is not absolutely necessary to get change.
After I exercise I use the fascia blaster over a comprehensive garment. The fascia blaster bruised me and didn’t work until I added the compression garment.
Um, freesyddotcom, take it easy there on the male/female crap please. Yes, there are many inaccuracies in what she is saying. It is a training challenge, not a gender challenge.
I just FOUND YOUR CHANNEL. You never realize how much you USE SOMETHING UNTIL YOU HURT IT!!! I have had many accidents and will benefit from this very much!!! Bless you and yours. I am now a new subscriber now. Thank you so much!!! 🙏❤🇺🇸😊
As simple as it seems its Very Very important info that I have struggled for long and couldn't fugured it out by myself. Woaw! Big thanks. Already getting the benefits. Muscle knots please
I have a bunch of built up muscle fascia from an injury. Someone told me I have mineral deposits in that fascia too, they said apple cider vinegar would work. Not sure about that. I'm wondering how to get it to break down besides stretching/massage?
I don't know about the mineral deposits being in your fascia. The body is pretty good at using what it needs and excreting waste, but if it detects instability somewhere it can create (in the feet for example) bunions (which people then label calcium buildup), or fibroids (in women), lipomas (which are fatty deposits) or fascial adhesions (which are collagen based and form for a variety of reasons, including stress/trauma/repetitive motion and dehydration). My channel has a ton of fascia release videos that show you how to compress and shear fascial adhesions yourself, in order to break them up.
Don’t appreciate throwing all massage into one category of it “just feels good”. There are therapists out there that know how to do myofascial release as you just described but I guess we are all only here for “fluff and stuff”. Thanks a lot
signed up twice or more for the beginner's guide and still doesn't show up in my email box in any category of mail..i checked them all...inbox, social, and promotions.
I have trauma from childbirth causing fibromyalgia. Tried myofascia release but like what U said, it's temporary n change should come from within. Will try out yr exercises. Thanks so much
This makes so much sense. I was going to P.T. for frozen shoulder, but what finally released my frozen shoulder was my OWN movement, combined with use of a yoga roll. Of course, P.T. and massage therapy do have many, many benefits, even including helping to soften fascia. However, if you're not also doing your own body movement, there is only so much massage and P.T. can do. That's why P.T.s assign excersizes for you to do in between visits.
I had an MRI and the doctor told me my fascia has thickened in my low back due to bulging disc and injury. I do all kinds of yoga and QI Movement. I have zero relief? I need help and will try anything? I use rollers and have jacuzzi. By the end of the day I am like an old woman. Have any suggestions ? I also get satei shinpo acupuncture.
Linda, check out the technique how to videos on my channel. I'd start with quads and quad hip flexors. You can also grab my beginner's guide to fascia release, which is a PDF guide with links to my top free techniques on TH-cam for pain relief. You can get that here: mobilitymastery.mykajabi.com/beginners-guide-to-fascia-release
I need a little help. 3 months back i jumped from a height barefoot and was badly hurt under my heels. The doctors said its plantar fasciitis. Hot compression and proper movement therapy would slowly fix it. But since it has been over three months and me being a person who moves a lot, i sometimes get worried and depressed because of the sustaining pain. I can feel it is healing, but the rate it too slow. I just wanted to text you for a Reassurance that it would be totally fine in the coming days.
Fascia resists force for sure, that's why light touch fascial methods work. It takes a trained touch, but you can learn to have it melt basically. It is deeply connected to the nervous system. If you do it right, the clients nervous system goes in super deep relaxation and the mind goes into theta.
Reki? Energy work? I feel my hernia was due to my hip and Phyloris muscle fissure being surgically drained. Doctor went into the wrong spot and had to pull back and make another hole..
Compressing an adhesion and activating the muscle will only work if the adhesion is properly softened beforehand. Otherwise, you can just tear your muscle right next to the adhesion. You really have to use heat first.
I agree, everything is a process if you know what your doing. The area has to be warned and muscle strands sperated before you can manipulate facia properly to it's normal resting place.
Get it to change itself? IDK that just sounds wacky to me. I'll work with the lacrosse ball and foam roller. I can find those adhesions and pressing on them breaks them up.
Learn, try, then develop and "informed" POV, I do it, it's been 5 years, but the "expert" here....you need to know this, because it's beyond perception by most...I live by it and do what I want physically because I know how to fix it when it hurts and most of mine is unique as are each one...but if you don't believe it's OK. Enjoy your meds, sorry to bother you at all....seriously. He's backing it up but it was more confirming my personal experience to present moment, still learning about my unique fascia. YMMV, depends on you, really. Anyway, here goes nothing, again...wow...such skepticism. Normal...th-cam.com/video/TWPukWziQk4/w-d-xo.html
Do you have any tips and tricks for hyperflexible joints? I've just found out that I have somewhat hyperflexible joints and the doc said that it made me prone to get RSI. I've been battling bilateral tennis elbow and your videos have helped me a lot.
In my opinion, hypermbility is not what causes repetitive strain injuries (I'm assuming that's what you're talking about when you say RSI?) I'm incredibly hyper mobile in my joints from doing gymnastics as a kid. What is really helping me lately is working with a trainer and using LIGHT weight so I can control the movement and isolate only the muscles we're targeting with each set. When you work out with heavier weight and you're hyper flexible, it's an instinct to compensate by having the joint perform the movement rather than the muscles, and/or it's easy to compensate with other overdeveloped muscles. A good example is hyper flexible shoulder joints when trying to do something like a shoulder press or raise - the TRAPS will likely get involved and the shoulder joint will just 'fall' into its hyper mobile position, rather than engaging the deltoids and rhomboids to lock the shoulder joint in place. This is a really complicated issue that's hard to write about in this tiny box! If you'd like my personal help I do offer Skype sessions, which you can check out here: www.mobilitymastery.com/skype-sessions
Ahhh...makes sense about using light weight. I did try using heavier weight, but they only made me feel more sore. Thanks for the Skype session link. I've been referred to two PTs here and they've helped me think of my posture (my wrist posture, my arm posture) but sometimes at work when it's rush hour, it's kinda difficult to remember (I work at a supermarket and some of the stuff I have to move/lift are heavy) and I've been wondering if there are other things I can do on my own (other than standing in front of the mirror when I lift some weights for example).
what if you have fibromyalgia and chronic myofascial pain? I am also 'hypermobile' and my neck gets tight, nerves get impinged, currently my deltoids and biceps are really bad (haven't had that before) and I work on pec minor, scalenes etc. I was better for a while after starting very slow and careful pilates but have now gone into what seems to be an acute-to-chronic phase very quickly.
Food and stress have a huge part to play in fascia stickiness. Virtually all of our food is poison today. incomplete digestion == malabsorption. Mental holding patterns == holding stress == no internal bodily movement. so many factors need addressing.
Totally agree. At first I thought this comment was on my other video about food and stress in relationship to fascia! Thanks for adding your thoughts here. Our fascia is under tremendous assault, from poisons to EMFs to lack of real nutrition and trauma...it's along list.
I don't subscribe to titles or pieces of paper, so my title is something like curious human with a relentless drive to discover root causes and the truth about being human and owning a body. I developed my own method of working with people that uses compression and shearing based fascia release (involving stepping on people), with deep soul work and nervous system rewiring. It's called Kinetix.
@@ElishaCeleste Your videos have been a God send to my mother and me. Please don’t let these negative comments get to you. Thanks for your wisdom and helping all of us (for FREE I may add). God bless.
Myofascial Release and cupping affects the fascia.
Both used in massage therapy
The key is movement! Get out of bad muscle memory to feel relief.
Every Day! If you hurt, get moving and stretching. You wont get better by sitting still.
If you use it wrong or dont use it , you loose it✌
Found this out recently after having several Atlas adjustments which is moving vertebrae /body parts back to where they should be. The body aches because it doesn’t like it. Walking, however discomforting, makes a big difference in how I feel. After about 10 mins.the discomfort settles down.
True❤❤❤❤❤
I had really tight calves and after rolling with a small hard ball, it hurt like a bitch but my ankle mobility has improved a lot and my balance and coordination improved dramatically and I’ve gotten faster
Absolutely ❤❤❤ . I feel pain after prolonged sedentary lifestyle, body really hurts when on extended "holiday "😂😂😂😂
@Elisha I am watching this video in 2023. It’s amazing. I see lots of value in it. Also the fact that you respect your time and make it short enough to convey your experiences
I am new this this and so glad to have found out this video from 7 years back. At 3:20 she talks about how pain can change when we engage all the bodily and mental systems involved with fascia. Looking forward for more
Thank you for sharing your experience. As a massage therapist highly trained in myofascial release, I was really disappointed in your video. You were absolutely correct in that a Swedish/relaxation massage will not do much to change the fascia. It takes skill and training to learn to release fascia, but a massage therapist can absolutely change the fascia, you just need to find the right one.
thnks for saying that... i am a craneal osteopath and i totally agree with you, release the fascia is possible and easy with manual therapy if you know how to do it
The problem is that the word massage, and it's registration or certification is used for all touch therapy except medical (MD prescribed), OD, or DC) is regulated as the word"Massage".
The deep compression with movement work is also legally under the term, "Massage". Massage is a circulatory enlivening and relaxation way of treating a person through touch and pressure. The other disciplines need to have their own provenance. Their curricula are largely distinct from massage.
@@doctoraluna3043 Legally you are distinct form "Massage".
@@doctoraluna3043
A cranial osteopath that doesn't know how to spell "cranial". Interesting.
YES! A therapist that learns how to listen with their hands and work with the breath of the client and themselves can do this. Great Myofascial release training can make a big difference. You actually feel the unwinding of Fascia.
I've told that my body responds beautifully to any form of holistic healing. I think the main reason why is because when a practitioner is working on me, I tell myself "okay, this is healing my body, this is healing my body" throughout the whole session. And it always works!
Interesting. Performing self-compassion meditation can also do wonders. I have tried it, my body feels much more lighter after it. Another meditation is "letting go". If you wanna look into it, start with buddhist meditation.
Yes but this is western medicine, so they are all told any form of eastern is wrong
@@patrciaclemons8183 what are you saying is western medicine?
Myofacial Release is a modality of massage therapy. Which dates back as early as 3000 BCE in India. The idea of "Myofacial Release" dates back to 1904, as "fibrositis." Then "trigger point" came about in 1939. Then in 1960 the term "Myofacial Release" was coined by an osteopath that studied with Ida Rolf. She created a type of massage/bodywork called Rolfing, which is an interactive, very deep Myofacial release.
@@OZ01209 ,
For clarity, "fibrositis" is inflamation of fibrous tissue__"itis" refers to inflammation. 😛😺
I think I just get better cause the session is expensive and my wallet gets thinner. A thick wallet is not good for posture.
This is incredibly useful - I’ve totally been telling people that with careful, gentle breathing and movement with daringly, gently, patiently focused intent, you can very slowly, over time, move your fascia. I had a massive injury 15 years ago that i’ve been gradually improving, for some time - using this philosophic approach. Just subscribed after seeing this one video - I hope I find more things on the subject when I have time to come back
I’m surprised to see people so upset over her video, but I can understand, the problem is that this is quite complex and she could probably talk for hours! I really appreciated the video and completely understand and 100% agree with her. I have found working on my own body that when I find the “tension point” through meditation-guided body awareness I will hold it there and then “find” a trigger point belonging to that web of tension and press, and simultaneously very slowly move that area in the different “lines” of tension. The movements have to be very subtle or else I will “step out” of the line of tensions. Anyways, I believe science will one day make drugs for healing fascial inflamation (yes it will become recognized as an organ and as such monetized). I also have my own theory, that some people have “hyperfascia” so their fascia tends to grow abnormally really fast if they get injured. Then there’s the spiritual connection to fascia... I’m not a masseuse or PT or anything medical I’m just fascinated by fascia (I guess I have a fascial fascination haha). I think the fascia “hold” information that if we could one day use an imaging device to visualize would revolutionize healthcare. We could see where on the body there are fascial constructions and inflammation and adhesions all that. And also see how a person “holds” their body to diagnose mental illnesses.... potentially... or gain on insight on a persons mental or physical status. I’ve almost thought about going back to school to study fascia. My pt said I respond really well to myofascial therapy, I literally experience profound healing from 1 session, so much that I almost felt like I was on drugs when I left and my forehead felt like it was melting. I think good therapy like this causes the body to release certain chemicals, but the person also needs to be receptive to it. One last thing, when I feel profoundly relaxed (something that rarely happens inside my body as I have a condition that I WILL heal from I don’t even like saying what it is because it gives the “disease” more power) so when I feel profoundly relaxed inside my body (like my muscles have finally “let go” I become magically aware of all my fascial constrictions... it’s like a deep part of my brain turns on.. that healthy part before this disease that intuitively knows proper body alignment without any cognition just pure feeling... and then I will feel the fascially constricted places all at once as I become aware of “two layers” in my body, the “defective” fascial body “suit” and my pure “energetic” (neurologically connected to health and correct body alignment that we “know” is right from birth) body that is far more profoundly experienced than the fascial body suit... it’s like a light turns on and I realized that my fascia is just a “body suit” that I am wearing... I am not my fascia. The key or rather the journey is to integrate this fascia body suit into my “energetic” suit, and to do so I need to break the fascial deformities/restrictions. Because what I feel when I say fascial body suit is more like “restricted” fascial body suit. Once the restrictions are gone the fascia is no longer something separate from my naturally aligned body state (or energy state or neurological equilibrium whatever you want to call it).
One more comment... or question... lol. Do you think that the fascia can go into spasm? Just like muscles can go into spasm? I’ve looked into this and found that yes indeed fascia possibly has some motor neurons though not much. The reason I ask is because I’ve had certain spasms in my back/neck that I can’t say were muscle spasms... but definitely a spasm of some type (and when my pt using myofascial release worked on it I actually felt worse because he release part of the spasm in only the area he was targeting and the rest of the “sheet” absorbed the spasm/energy which was a very awkward feeling). The thing is is it possible for some people to be so physically sensitive/aware that they can trigger a certain fascial complex to spasm on its own through maladaptive body postures and mental fixation? Am I making any sense lol. Lastly, I want to say that unlike all the other organs of our body the fascia is the one that has a spatiotemporal connection to the world. I also believe it is why it has a little bit of motor neurons scattered inside it. Perhaps those motor neurons are also a type of sensory neuron that aids in this body awareness of space. Which brings me to a point I made in my previous comment, it is a physical link to our spiritual expression. Other organs of course are also linked spiritually but in a less direct way, they’re more of the foundation for our spiritual being, while fascia is a sort of medium or substance for that expression. Spiritual or mental or whatever you wanna call it. Anyways, fascinating stuff. I apologize for the free flowing rant of my comments, I just don’t have time to write a succinctly made comment especially when I’m feeling very passionate about what I am talking about!
I read all you typed I have to say this is very interesting...and I can say that I agree with the feeling of the body suit
I like the way you worded alot of things you do sound very intelligent (a bit manic but hey I get that way too, esp when it comes to something I deal with all the time and trying to explain it/a possibility of a solution,and yes passionate about the subject, not saying it's a bad thing so don't take it the wrong way💓)
I just wanted to show you my appreciation for what you took so much time to type and I hope one day you feel better cuz even I don't think I could endure what you explained that you deal with all the time. Sending good vibes, thank you!
@@marial3231 above^^
It didn't tag you in my comment so I want to make sure you see it lol
Since you’re “fascinated with fascia” you should ABSOLUTELY go to school to study it. Sounds like you’d be very gifted at it…. All the best 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾!!
Mm
As A massage therapist that works with the fascia daily, and has helped many a client by releasing it, your video is very miss leading and only your opinion. As long as you take your time and follow what the body tells you, you can change and free the fascia to release chronic pain and restricted ROM.
I have many friends that have suffered serious fascia pain and the work from outside as mentioned in this video did not solve it. That's why I was seeking videos and books on this topic. The commonality is issues with parents while everyone else is celebrating happiness with their parents.
Yes. As a Structural Integrator (massage based on Ida Rolf's work) ALL I do is work with fascia... But we DO utilize compression and movement. Her statements around massage therapy are absolutely biased and a bit misleading, but as always, people should research things. I do, however, agree that not all "massage" is of the same value. This is actually why I call myself a body worker vs a massage therapist because the assumptions around what 'massage' is varies greatly from person to person. I think it was remiss of her to skip over the fact that there are many forms of bodywork and massage that are helpful and deeply therapeutic, like Rolfing and Structural Integration, but honestly if she only had 1 year experience in the field, that would explain a lot of that because she also was clearly not trained in fascial work.
Agree. I have had fascia released from an external therapist I would say quickly. There is also a healing process. But I was shocked at the transformation, and how long I had been “stuck”. The internal transformation is finding someone who does myofascial release, getting yourself to make an appointment and showing up.
@bina nocht bodywork should never be painful. A huge part of our work as therapists is to communicate with, listen to, and watch our clients for feedback. If the body is in pain, it automatically refuses bodywork and therefore receives no benefit. You MUST earn trust by listening to the body and follow it where it asks you to go.
Some clients will say they need more pressure than necessary because "it means I need it" and that's exactly why I say we must also watch. I say I listen with my ears, my eyes, and my hands... Because while a client may say they are OK, their body could be signaling a very clear NO.
I am sorry you have had bad experiences with your bodyworkers in the past 🧡 it really is a shame that some people make their work about them instead of their clients.
@@schottschottable structural integration is brilliant but I live in Ontario and there’s literally a handful of Rolfers and 20,000 massage therapists. It’s definitely not the norm in massage. Do you believe an injury area with tight fascia from previous scarring needs to have ROLFING done and then the next step is to strengthen the muscle? Does Rolfing go hand and hand with stretching. I had a great experience with it two years ago but the tightness came back and I’m trying to figure out what to do. I was thinking Rolfing mixed with yin yoga and then strengthening the muscle with the tight fascia?
I must say that this is the most informative and interesting comments section I've ever read on yt... thanks to everyone who posted on this informative video 🙏😊
She is correct that compression and movement is the key, just a massage would not create that, unless there is movement like elishe says i have noticed improvement in my hips in under 2 weeks so far, i find it also takes commitment with the fascia
How did you create compression and movement at the same time?
@@sherryjones5082 many of her other videos show it, but basically you compress with an object such as a block or ball, say by sitting on the floor and placing your calf on a tennis ball. Then you do a voluntary movement of rotating your leg, say inward. That creates the compression and voluntary movement, across a muscle group.
@@willbephore6178 basically sitting on a ball
I can't really imagine what compression+movement would look like versus the other methods. I would like to see practical demonstrations and visuals.
Search voodoo floss band on TH-cam
@@jss2889 thanks for this info.
Rolfing uses this principle... the practitioner pins the tissue (compress) where they want it and then asks for the client to initiate a specific movement. Because the movement is client initiated, it fires the nerve endings and recalibrate. So it is the combination of mechanics (compression) and neurology (self-sensing feedback loops) that create change.
How would you go about getting compression plus movement? Are you saying to tell your massage therapist to do that? I feel like they wouldn’t know what I mean. Or is this more of a physical therapist situation? I don’t understand how to practically implement this technique.
@@ruthanneswanson A.R.T. practitioners are familiar with this technique and can often be found in a chiropractic office. Google can help you locate one near you.
Thai massage and Shiatsu work because they are based in the 12 meridian (electromagnetic path) system. The energy flows, fascia releases when one knows keypoints on the meridian systems. Trigger point therapy is like a 'western' version of using the meridians. This might be what she is trying to explain not knowing about meridians or just not thinking people would understand.
Releasing fascia is one of most common parts of massage!!
As a client who has seen over 40 massage therapist, they have all heard of fascia release but almost none can or are willing to even when you explain it to them. I have learned to do it myself! Thank Hod for her videos, to help bring awareness to the massage trade!❤
YOu do not have to generalize your point about massage.. there are different techniques in the massage field that address the fascia..
I am a massage therapist and an FST practioner (fascial stretch therapist) and I can tell you, fascia can definitely be affected effectively, with lasting results, by outside forces by a skilled therapist.
Just like any proffesion, there will be Michael Jordans and bench players. Both are basketball players, but one is in a league of their own.
Its the same with bodywork. What might not work with one therapist, can absolutely be benificial when recieved from a different, more skilled therapist.
Sounds like she's gotten work done by average massage therapist who probably didnt know how to release fascia properly and worked the muscles more than the fascia.
Hi, I have had a chronically tight lower back for several years after landscaping my garden over the space of a year, lifting hundreds of 23KG+ bags of gravel with poor technique. My lower back tightened up to counteract this force I put upon them. I have finally started stretching, but find it boring and hard to commit to it, especially as I have a physical job and when I get home from work I am tired so don't feel like stretching. I am wondering how much massage could help release these muscles? and which type of massage is best, would it be best if I went to a clinical masseuse?
Apparently, the video's author has not heard of Rolfing, Bindegewebsmassage, or Neuromuscular Therapy. Using words like "I think" and "probably" indicate her experience and education are limited.
@@adamantiumbullet9215 ,
Thank you! 🙌🙌🙌😺
@@footyball66 ,
First, please stop calling them all ''masseuse". 😛
And, Yes__there are various modalities in the realm of massage/bodywork that may benefit your situation. You have to do your own research in defining and categorizing them with regard to your specific requirements.
At the same time, it would also be wise to learn and implement proper 'functional' exercises to strengthen your back and pelvic girdle muscles.
Hope you find this information useful.
Love, Light, and Healing Blessings. 🙏😇✨💫🌱🌿🌻🐝🌳🌎💖🙌😺
I am a message therapist, Rolfing and other message therapies can work wonders.
This makes sense to me.
Try doing Tai Chi or any other internal art for a couple of years and see for yourself how much time and repetition it takes fascia to truly undergo significant change.
With that said, I don’t think she’s saying massage therapy or myofascial releases are useless. Just that if you want long lasting change, perhaps you need to put a little work in yourself to preserve that change instead of hoping someone else will do it for you.
Wow!!
As a LMT with 14 yrs of practicing myofascial release, this commentary stung me a bit. Any serious body worker understand s the value of multiple, dimensional approaches to addressing stubborn issues. With that being said, I and many of my clients can personally testify that it is absolutely possible to release restrictions as low as level 4 of the fascia system (visceral), working superficially at the skin. It takes practice to develop the sense touch and patience to achieve that. This is not something experienced by a 1 yr massage therapist or, an occasional spa treatment receiver.
What are the exact modalities to use to release fascia though? U never specifically stated them!??
Compression and active movement. Listen better.
She does in this video 😊:
th-cam.com/video/OyPUJBY_bk8/w-d-xo.html
Also she links that and other videos in the description for this specifically (I had a look after the video to see if there was more info). Hope that helps and take care 😊.
What are examples of compression or movements techniques? Is there a link to more info on that?
2:18 Well said! The answer is movement. It will change if and when it wants to change.
Misleading title. You gave nothing and I disagree about massage. It has helped me immensely.
So what you do is push in the opposite direction and then release. Yoga changes fascia
Fasciae unwinding is a beautiful way to change the fascia from the inside.. it has its own innate healing ability as does the whole body- I have been teaching this and clients release on many levels, physical, emotional and mental. :-)
Yes! I agree with your analogy. I have been a massage therapist for 18 years and it is my opinion that sustained stretch (to heat up adhesions in the fascia) with compression and active skeletal movement is key to affecting change in this myofascial webbing, which can be achieved with certain kinds of massage techniques but for most approachs to massage, in addition to the relaxation effect is the blood and lymph fluid boost of movement within the body. I think of massage like giving the inside of the body a "bath". An internal cleanse of the body and mind. I am also a yoga instructor and I utilize myofascial release techniques in the yoga class format.
I recommend looking into the definition of fascia if you watch this. What component, exactly, are you referring to? Is it the dense connective tissue? Is it the loose connective tissue? What part of the dense or loose connective tissue? Cells, fibres, ground substance?
If you want to understand the behavior of fascia, you need to understand the behavior of its components, and the interplay between them.
So, what is the compression and movement that you do for fascia release?
You give a theory but you don't give us an actual exercise so we can do it for ourselves, so your video doesn't really help :(
I made this video at a time when a few hundred people were watching my content each week in succession and had no idea it would be shared so many times by people not watching my other content...good lesson for me, to be sure. If you want to use this theory for yourself, check out the bulk of my TH-cam content (LOTS of videos for self help pain relief) which demonstrate how to use compression and movement to release fascia. I also have videos showing me working on clients with my in person method called Kinetix, which is what all of my self-help techniques try to mimic. Thanks for your comment, it's a valid point!
You should put an exemple of what is the technique so people can a visual or you could direct people to your videos that show the technique :)
Hypnotic Bliss try melt method
Look into Zhan Zhuang
use heating paid (very light heat over diffuse area) for a long time, and then when you're nice and opened/warmed, do gua sha. Heating pad is ESSENTIAL to getting fascia to cooperate.
Great piece of Information. Recently i got relief from back pain that was there for 3 decades. This fascia was hardened and was deep down.
Hot fomenting followed by compression with elbow, followed by cupping finally helped.
Any professional help did you take ? I am having similar problem from last 17-18 years .Kindly do reply.
@@aniket1969 I am homeopathic doctor so I didn't take any help from outside other that Physiotherapist. Backache started with sprain that became chronic.
What adds is attitude to take too much responsibility, and digest bad behaviour of others that leads to sleep problem.
SO, get rid of of toxic people around you, try to improve sleep and use elbow to loosen the muscle knot that is preventing blood flow. 1 month good sleep will repaid that:
I do yoga for flexibility.
Very important is to state right as right and wrong as wrong.
Once you are free from stress, elbowing and exercise will smoothen it.
Good wishes!
What do you suggest to use for the compression? Let’s say in the lower back and hips for instance.
@@kellieleachmeyer The first thing I would suggest is to look for or get diagnosed if there are degenerative changes in the area where nerves are forking to the limbs.
If there are, get homoeopathic medicines for that. No one believes but it works. Rhus Tox C1000 for example, but it should be according to the symptoms.
2nd thing is to change the types of food we eat. Again huge problem, what to say without.
3rd thing is to manage stress! Backache == Long-standing stress.
4th thing is to avoid negative people around you to make 3rd possible.
The 3rd will make the second possible and the second will stop the degenerative changes.
I generally use homoeopathy and massage (Yoga, targeted exercise) from here onwards.
Do you have a video demonstrating what you're talking about -regarding *compression + movement*?
I love love this explanation of the fascia - well done!!
Thank you Barbara :)
awesome. This is the theorie i needed to put my feeling en experience into words.
"Meant to be bullet-proof" is problematic. It seems to *me* that the "strength" of biological systems is that they are constantly adapting, rather than resisting change. The strength of a biological system is a range of behavior without become destabilized and falling apart, *not* being immutable to external events. The classic Chinese parable is the example of the Willow Tree, it bends in the storm and so does not break.
th-cam.com/video/TWPukWziQk4/w-d-xo.html
Love this! I am in agreement as a bodyworker who is doing more coaching all the time as I realize that is where it is at...
Can you give a specific example of the compression and movement practice you use?
So many negative comments. I agree with her. Whatever discomfort in the body we feel its there for a reason. I hear massage terapists and cliens here but even if the massage creates a releif, it's not long lasting because we'll keep doing whatever we had been doing that got us there in the first place. We must allow that healing with our awareness and change our ways to allow that healing to be permanent.
Do you have some example videos of how to do this on back muscles or arms?
So what are these forms of compression and active movement???
Good description of the fascia and purpose. Bob Cooley's method of Resistance Stretching and Strength training targets exactly what you are talking about. The change happens within as the client is resisting the movement from the trainer. The movements also correlate with the Chinese medicine meridian lines so it works the body as a system to reorganize and rebalance. He calls it a subtractive technology. I am an Elite Trainer and haven't found any other method that strips away accumulated dense tissue and scar tissue like this one. And it is. pain free. I have been doing massage for 18 years and this method works in only a few sessions. Yes, clients need to be aware of what they want to accomplish in the session.
But Elisha you haven't really told us what we can do? I though foam rolling or massage would be considered 'compression' and movement - so what are we supposed to do that is not an 'external' compression?
I think that, I see it as, fascia + the Endocrine system are critically under appreciated for their centrality to what it feels like to be you, to be alive.
I think I really messed mine up a few ways over the years. The point here is I got into attempting to map my sensations better. While doing that I started exploring ways, some movement, some touch, some duration holds, +, to great effect! I was moving better blah-blah. Subtle movements.
Then I started looking into what others said about stuff. Found some great sources. A reality check for me!
Yes, ask. Ask your body!
I learned a few years ago that the route in to deep healing was asking! I know, right, crazy! I even say to people something like: I don't want to go all Disney about it, but ask, ask out loud, take up a dialog with your 'body'.
The part that becomes brilliant is the attitude is infectious so while doing little thing, noticing subtle feelings, I ask & get responses! Most often what answers come are in the form of greater detail to my inner mapping.
Love this comment, Jorge.
Thank you, @@libertyfirst4083.
Massage, la crosse balls, back knobber all help me immensely. I’m getting massage because it reduces my pain for weeks to months. It is lasting relief for me but I’ll check out your other videos and see what’s up.
Unfortunately I was on accutane 20 years ago and I have had pain ever since! Especially in my thoracic, shoulders, chest... I practice yoga, meditate, get massages, and even got to a chiropractor... I can’t help but wonder if the acne medication could have caused changes in the fasciae?
I know antibiotics can have a big impact on fascia, so it's possible the acne medication can too. Your lymph system lives in the superficial fascia, and you have a TON (70% of your total) of lymph nodes in your neck. So maybe there's a relationship there. You could try a January video I put out about releasing the neck lymph/fascia for starters. Fascia will heal! You just have to open up the channels so blood can flow and waste can move out.
Thank you for this concise explanation.
I agree that an outside force alone is much less effective than stimulating internal cues and moving from somatic awareness - from your own body's sensory awareness - from the inside with bodymind unity. I would be interested to learn if you have experience with LiquidBody or Continuum - a fluid approach to movement that uses sounds and breath to cue sensation that can stimulate an internally directed movement practice.
can you self compress such as when you want to walk or hike or bike etc? use of compression wraps perhaps?
Thanks, I agree with you as a yoga therapist and personal trainer. Your teaching is in congruence with what Thomas Myers teaches about fascia.
Thank you for sharing your experience Connie!
Mantak Chias book, Iron Shirt Chi Kung explains it way deeper and how the fascia is meant to be pressurized like a balloon inside the body. He explains how to pressurize the three layers of fascia.
I'm very familiar with Mantak Chia, I have a few of his books. Dont have this one though. Thanks for the gem 🤜🤛🤙
@@divineunique77 I read the book for ten years or so, a step at a time. In retrospect, I should have read it all the way through at first and then back through it again slowly. Years later, unexpectedly pressurized the fascia layers in Kundalini yoga class after doing sodarshan for about an hour a day for a few days in a row.
What are some examples of compression with movement that help fascia?
My channel is full of examples that show you how
I find your theory not only interesting, but quite sensible. Thank you.
IMHO, everyone should learn how to do their own self-massage therapy and myofacial release, unless you have the time and budget for frequent visits to a masseuse, DC or PT professional. Learning self-massage/release techniques is one of the best gifts I've given to myself. I give them to myself while on walks, bike rides and - in particularly - 'swimming'. For example; I always take my snorkel and fins with me to the pool when I take my daily swim. With snorkel and fins on, I simply float upright in the deep end (face down in the water). I can then hold on to my hamstrings with both hands while I 'bicycle' one leg at a time. Talk about active release! It works and feels incredible as you are weightless, balanced like a cork, and your muscle facia is much more soft and flexible. The fins allow you to give your hamstrings a vigorous workout after 5 or so minutes of intense facia release,. You can 'shake it out' with a vigorous horizontal lap swim. It's really incredible. The snorkel and fins also let you easily perform release on your shoulders, arms and torso while you either swim prone or on your back. Or, you can just hang vertically and bicycle.
Lastly, when I'm at home, I always use a heating pad prior to massaging, as well as during the massage wherever I can. Heat is the best muscle relaxer and the next best thing to a nice warm swimming pool, IMHO.
Wow 😊 that sounds awesome! I need to get a snorkel and try ❤
I'm interested if heating the fascia via infrared sauna or hot bath prior to movement or message would help facilitate more movement? I remember doing three sets of a hundred reps no weight squats with feet spread far apart and toes pointed outward. I was almost able to do a full split afterwards do to warming/stretching the tendons(I believe).
Dear Elisha, your ideas are really interesting! It seems you're attentive to the body. Go study Structural Integration and you'll discover you can move fascia and change it, sometimes with a very gentle work. You're right about talking to it. Good luck!
A demonstration would be really helpful
Active Myofascial Therapy encompasses what you lectured about-compression and movement and achieves fast results with little to no pain. Irene Diamond- Creator of Active Myofascial Therapy, Eric Brown, Michael Young, Stuart Taws, Tom Meyers. All are effective bodyworkers and massage therapists and incorporates all or some compression and movement in their work. I agree with some of what you said- fascia can not be easily changed by an outside force-thus the outside force such as from the massage therapist has to take it slow and not use brute force. Take up the slack, sink and hold and wait for the release. No matter what type of bodywork you receive, changes from any type of outside force will not be long lasting if the person and all of their fascia returns to the same habitual patterns that led to the need for bodywork. I am a massage therapist also. Thank you for sharing your insights.
Thank you for the thoughtful comments! As a former massage therapist who specialized in myofascial massage and pain relief, I have a lot of respect for massage as a general modality and fascia specialist even more so. It's been a while since I watched this video but I believe I said that very talented myofascial massage therapists probably could create change, while generally speaking massage as a modality probably won't. And yes, while our habits play a critical role in how long those changes last, it's been my professional experience since 2008 that with the right kind of work (which in my opinion has to include talking about and correcting some of those habits), pain can and does go away in just a few sessions and doesn't come back. I appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts and experience!
If you don't know him yet, John F Barnes knows a bit about Myofascial therapy.
Talking and releasing is exactly what Hellerwork does and seems to very effective. I guess you can say mind body plus massage at the same time instead of seperately.
What do you mean by compression?
I totally agree with the fascia approach however I dont understand what you mean by compression of it - can you explain what you mean by this - I can't imagine what it would be like to compress my arms whilst trying to stretch and work them. Ty for the video ❤.
Isn't releasing fascia the whole point of Rolfing?
Rolfing isn’t massage. Rolfing is very painful.
@@phoenixflier25 not true in my experience
@@phoenixflier25 Not true in my experience either
Maybe I missed it… But what sort of movement are you talking about? I would love to work on my fascia, and I see the value in that, but I didn’t see or hear where you were talking about exactly what to do other than compression and movement.
Compression and movement for fascia What does fascia require for change
good information, just subscribed.
She says something extremely important here. Surface solutions are not the answer. Fascia holds all of our memory and is not likely to be altered much by the outside, which I see as force...even if it be a gentle force..like massage. It must come from an internal release...which may have some type of outside action accompanying it...or maybe not.
A woman wanted to test her theory, and asked her doctor to put her leg behind her head while under anesthesia. He complied and successfully put her into a pretzel. She could not even come close in her waking state.
The nerve/mind connection is the issue... the memory that runs through the path of least resistance. Becoming softer from the inside out. This may be vague..but this is not meant to fill in the blanks...it's to give a shift about how to experience this beautiful connection between the inner and outer world, and know that there is no separation.
Thank you, well said. The "initiation" for change must come from inside or it won't last. That initiation can come from the brain and body communicating to conduct movement, or it can be conscious engagement of the nervous system to feel what's happening and know the next right step to take. Very much appreciate you sharing your thoughts!
@@ElishaCeleste well deserved 💜🤸♀️
Wonderful explantation.
I do have a "massage therapist". Her work is called "Rolfing" ("Ida Rolf" developed this fascia-releasing-technique).
My Rolfing-massage therapist already helped me with pain in both of my shoulders. After the first massage 90% of the pain was gone. Since the second massage I have been 100% painfree in my shoulders and it still holds on two years later. But I have to say I go to the Rolfing-Specialist every two months so she can release step by step all fascia from toe to head in my body.
She also helped my sister with pain in her hips. That also needed two times.
That makes sense, thanks for sharing the critical point. greatly appreciate.
This is the incredibly foundational strategy of "anchor and stretch" that I learned from Art Riggs' book "Deep Tissue Massage: A Visual Guide To Techniques". It's amazing (and disconcerting) how few LMTs understand how and why to do this.
Art Riggs is a Rolfer and Rolfing is the grand daddy of all these ideas that she has, most of which is correct, except for some of the sentences that start with I believe. The principle she is trying to explain is called mechanotransduction. Movement, for example, is not absolutely necessary to get change.
After I exercise I use the fascia blaster over a comprehensive garment. The fascia blaster bruised me and didn’t work until I added the compression garment.
Excelent explanation. Thank you.
Isn't compression an outside force?
Dr Gofaster go easy she's female
Um, freesyddotcom, take it easy there on the male/female crap please. Yes, there are many inaccuracies in what she is saying. It is a training challenge, not a gender challenge.
*citation needed
th-cam.com/video/TWPukWziQk4/w-d-xo.html
freesyddotcom ay 😡
I just FOUND YOUR CHANNEL. You never realize how much you USE SOMETHING UNTIL YOU HURT IT!!! I have had many accidents and will benefit from this very much!!! Bless you and yours. I am now a new subscriber now. Thank you so much!!! 🙏❤🇺🇸😊
Makes sense. Thanks for the explanation- very useful!
thank uu ..I am surprised how you knew this informations back then!
As simple as it seems its Very Very important info that I have struggled for long and couldn't fugured it out by myself. Woaw! Big thanks. Already getting the benefits.
Muscle knots please
I learned nothing of how to release my faccia.
Look up Active Release on TH-cam or any video platform
Look into functional patterns, thank me later
To release your faccia ?? Your face ?? Italian for face
I have a bunch of built up muscle fascia from an injury. Someone told me I have mineral deposits in that fascia too, they said apple cider vinegar would work. Not sure about that. I'm wondering how to get it to break down besides stretching/massage?
I don't know about the mineral deposits being in your fascia. The body is pretty good at using what it needs and excreting waste, but if it detects instability somewhere it can create (in the feet for example) bunions (which people then label calcium buildup), or fibroids (in women), lipomas (which are fatty deposits) or fascial adhesions (which are collagen based and form for a variety of reasons, including stress/trauma/repetitive motion and dehydration). My channel has a ton of fascia release videos that show you how to compress and shear fascial adhesions yourself, in order to break them up.
Thanks! I'll check those out (:
Don’t appreciate throwing all massage into one category of it “just feels good”. There are therapists out there that know how to do myofascial release as you just described but I guess we are all only here for “fluff and stuff”. Thanks a lot
Yeah I barely had to feel good massage twice to be exact and that was on request because I couldn't take feeling like a train ran over me for 3 days
oh for fucks sake
signed up twice or more for the beginner's guide and still doesn't show up in my email box in any category of mail..i checked them all...inbox, social, and promotions.
Hi Marian - thanks for letting me know, we can help. Please email info@mobilitymastery.com and my fiancé/partner Stefan will make sure you get it.
I have trauma from childbirth causing fibromyalgia. Tried myofascia release but like what U said, it's temporary n change should come from within. Will try out yr exercises. Thanks so much
Very helpful! Thank you.
Thanks very much!
what are compression technieus then
This makes so much sense. I was going to P.T. for frozen shoulder, but what finally released my frozen shoulder was my OWN movement, combined with use of a yoga roll.
Of course, P.T. and massage therapy do have many, many benefits, even including helping to soften fascia. However, if you're not also doing your own body movement, there is only so much massage and P.T. can do. That's why P.T.s assign excersizes for you to do in between visits.
I had an MRI and the doctor told me my fascia has thickened in my low back due to bulging disc and injury. I do all kinds of yoga and QI Movement. I have zero relief? I need help and will try anything? I use rollers and have jacuzzi. By the end of the day I am like an old woman. Have any suggestions ? I also get satei shinpo acupuncture.
Linda, check out the technique how to videos on my channel. I'd start with quads and quad hip flexors. You can also grab my beginner's guide to fascia release, which is a PDF guide with links to my top free techniques on TH-cam for pain relief. You can get that here: mobilitymastery.mykajabi.com/beginners-guide-to-fascia-release
I don't get it. What do you mean by compression. Very vague
I need a little help.
3 months back i jumped from a height barefoot and was badly hurt under my heels. The doctors said its plantar fasciitis. Hot compression and proper movement therapy would slowly fix it.
But since it has been over three months and me being a person who moves a lot, i sometimes get worried and depressed because of the sustaining pain. I can feel it is healing, but the rate it too slow.
I just wanted to text you for a Reassurance that it would be totally fine in the coming days.
Fascia resists force for sure, that's why light touch fascial methods work. It takes a trained touch, but you can learn to have it melt basically. It is deeply connected to the nervous system. If you do it right, the clients nervous system goes in super deep relaxation and the mind goes into theta.
Do you know how to tighten a stretched out fashia? If so please tell me.
Are you referring to osteofascial technique?
Reki? Energy work? I feel my hernia was due to my hip and Phyloris muscle fissure being surgically drained. Doctor went into the wrong spot and had to pull back and make another hole..
Great content!
Compressing an adhesion and activating the muscle will only work if the adhesion is properly softened beforehand. Otherwise, you can just tear your muscle right next to the adhesion. You really have to use heat first.
I agree, everything is a process if you know what your doing. The area has to be warned and muscle strands sperated before you can manipulate facia properly to it's normal resting place.
Can’t seem to release the left side of my back. 6 years and no one/thing seems to help
Get it to change itself? IDK that just sounds wacky to me. I'll work with the lacrosse ball and foam roller. I can find those adhesions and pressing on them breaks them up.
Learn, try, then develop and "informed" POV, I do it, it's been 5 years, but the "expert" here....you need to know this, because it's beyond perception by most...I live by it and do what I want physically because I know how to fix it when it hurts and most of mine is unique as are each one...but if you don't believe it's OK. Enjoy your meds, sorry to bother you at all....seriously. He's backing it up but it was more confirming my personal experience to present moment, still learning about my unique fascia. YMMV, depends on you, really. Anyway, here goes nothing, again...wow...such skepticism. Normal...th-cam.com/video/TWPukWziQk4/w-d-xo.html
Do you have any tips and tricks for hyperflexible joints? I've just found out that I have somewhat hyperflexible joints and the doc said that it made me prone to get RSI. I've been battling bilateral tennis elbow and your videos have helped me a lot.
In my opinion, hypermbility is not what causes repetitive strain
injuries (I'm assuming that's what you're talking about when you say
RSI?) I'm incredibly hyper mobile in my joints from doing gymnastics as a
kid. What is really helping me lately is working with a trainer and
using LIGHT weight so I can control the movement and isolate only the
muscles we're targeting with each set. When you work out with heavier
weight and you're hyper flexible, it's an instinct to compensate by
having the joint perform the movement rather than the muscles, and/or
it's easy to compensate with other overdeveloped muscles. A good example
is hyper flexible shoulder joints when trying to do something like a
shoulder press or raise - the TRAPS will likely get involved and the
shoulder joint will just 'fall' into its hyper mobile position, rather
than engaging the deltoids and rhomboids to lock the shoulder joint in
place. This is a really complicated issue that's hard to write about in
this tiny box! If you'd like my personal help I do offer Skype sessions,
which you can check out here: www.mobilitymastery.com/skype-sessions
Ahhh...makes sense about using light weight. I did try using heavier
weight, but they only made me feel more sore. Thanks for the Skype
session link. I've been referred to two PTs here and they've helped me
think of my posture (my wrist posture, my arm posture) but sometimes at
work when it's rush hour, it's kinda difficult to remember (I work at a
supermarket and some of the stuff I have to move/lift are heavy) and I've been wondering if there are other things I can do
on my own (other than standing in front of the mirror when I lift some
weights for example).
what if you have fibromyalgia and chronic myofascial pain? I am also 'hypermobile' and my neck gets tight, nerves get impinged, currently my deltoids and biceps are really bad (haven't had that before) and I work on pec minor, scalenes etc. I was better for a while after starting very slow and careful pilates but have now gone into what seems to be an acute-to-chronic phase very quickly.
ailema4ever try block therapy it's amazing! blocktherapy.com
Thanks for the link, Beata.
Is there a part 2? 😶👀
thank you ❤ your great and clear
Food and stress have a huge part to play in fascia stickiness. Virtually all of our food is poison today. incomplete digestion == malabsorption. Mental holding patterns == holding stress == no internal bodily movement. so many factors need addressing.
Totally agree. At first I thought this comment was on my other video about food and stress in relationship to fascia! Thanks for adding your thoughts here. Our fascia is under tremendous assault, from poisons to EMFs to lack of real nutrition and trauma...it's along list.
Hi, what title do your work under? If you're no longer a massage therapist?
I don't subscribe to titles or pieces of paper, so my title is something like curious human with a relentless drive to discover root causes and the truth about being human and owning a body. I developed my own method of working with people that uses compression and shearing based fascia release (involving stepping on people), with deep soul work and nervous system rewiring. It's called Kinetix.
@@ElishaCeleste Your videos have been a God send to my mother and me. Please don’t let these negative comments get to you. Thanks for your wisdom and helping all of us (for FREE I may add). God bless.
I do not understand. What do you mean? Ask the body to change? How? When? Compression how?
Thanks so very much! Good explanation!
I feel like I just wasted 5:33 minutes of my life. You said many words and literally provided no information of value...
Look up Active Release on TH-cam or any video platform