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No. I bet if someone had a beef with, I dunno, a laundromat owner, even wrote a "manifesto," they wouldn't be charged with terrorism. He's being charged because the victim was a prominent rich guy.
How exactly is he terrorizing the population when the internet is literally celebrating him. The only people he terrorized are other elites who have reason to fear for reprisal due to their actions.
Martin Luther King Jr was considered an enemy of the state by the FBI. If anything, they LOVED that assassination. We don't know if they knew it would happen, but if they did, they certainly let it happen or perhaps even helped the murderer.
Some woman in florida got charged for saying the "deny, depose, and you're next" line after healthcare was denied for her daughter. Yet when actively sent messages of threats of rape and murder by stalkers, police will dilly dally for as long as possible, and tell victims "there's not enough evidence" or "it's no danger" It really is one rule for the rich and another for us.
In 2008 I got shot in the chest and the police didn’t even try to look for the criminals, turns out all I needed in order to get justice was billions of dollars and control of a corporation.
I was shot while I was in the army. Nobody looked for my shooter, and I get a check every month that hardly covers my rent. Welcome to the US. "You get what you get."
@@angel235229 I’m sorry you have to experience this. I’m also sorry that the US is implicitly forcing people to risk their lives and that of others so that the rich get richer. I hope you recover soon both physically and mentally.
Something about assigning different levels of punishment to criminals based on the value of the victim through what boils down to financial status doesn't sit right with me.
Dude I remember being terrified when I first started medication for my crohn's. Looking at the bill and seeing $25,000, its crazy to think there was even a chance for that to not be covered
My partner lives in a country with sane healthcare policies and has Ulcerative Colitis. When we were discussing being together there was no way for them to move over here with our healthcare system. Had they lived here when they got sick they'd be dead because the medication that saved their life would've been out of budget for them even with insurance. It is cheaper for me to uproot my entire life and move to a different continent than it would be for a single month of their meds here.
Don't forget prosecutors have said they are going to be pushing for the death penalty, which is not something they've done for school shooters and mass murderers. This shows the obvious double standard that is being applied here and sends the message that the lives of several children are worth less than the life of one predatory billionaire. This is disgusting.
Ironically, charging him with terrorism is closer to terrorism than what Luigi did. They're trying to make an example of him to send the message that rich peoples lives are worth more than ours are to them.
How is what Luigi did terrorism but what Rittenhouse did wasn't? He took a weapon of war across state lines to go to where a protest he disagreed with was happening because he wanted to shoot people and then he did. If Luigi cries on the stand, does he go free too? He was just defending his health and that of everyone else denied coverage by the company.
Agreed, this message backfires on them big time. Making him a greater martyr when his punishment was already as bad as it could be. Copy cats are going to find incentive from this to became a famous hero themselves.
I don’t think it’s appropriate how they discuss Luigi as having committed crimes with certainty, without using the word “allegedly”. Remember that he hasn’t been found guilty! He’s just a suspect 🙏
As someone who is currently being screwed by my health insurance company (Amerihealth) I hate that the media is trying to guilt me into sympathizing with my victimizers when I am terrified that I won’t be able to afford to stay alive long enough for my twin 2 year old daughters to reach an age they will remember me. For-profit health insurance is nothing more than death assurance.
Thanks for identifying your offending provider. I've had good luck with insurance carriers myself, probably because I'm picky about who I've worked for. But it helps people to know what carriers, and by extension what employers, to avoid. Job seekers should always ask about the carrier the employer uses, as that's part of your compensation package. And if one employer is willing to hire you, so is another employer. If you do turn down a job offer because of the insurance carrier the employers uses, by all means tell them that. When employers find its difficult to fill positions because of the shitty carrier they use, they will change. Not all carriers are shitty, but employers will pick the cheapest until it costs them money.
Their push to label him a terrorist for using violence to influence policy ironically mirrors their own attempt to intimidate the public against similar actions.
These charges are so grossly inflated I hope it backfires spectacularly on this government overreach. They are systematically proving his point with the way everything is being handled. Rich CEOs matter more than the general population which is NOT how “all men are created equal” is supposed to work.
It's like it is intentional that they want it the overreach to backfire so that his movement keeps going resulting in Trump and the incoming Republican Congress getting to deal with a public movement demanding health care reform. They can play both sides here. On one side, rich corporate donors and their CEOs get to feel safe and that their lobbying is doing something and on the other side they can sabotage their political opponents with a movement that is calling for a change that the Democrats support and could take credit for enacting since the GOP would never cave to it.
Considering almost 50% of murders go unsolved in America, it’s a miracle they even caught the guy, let alone in 3 days. Really shows who the police work for.
You usually want to deal with high profile cases quickly... You are aware there is a maximum throughput of cases, and in many instances it will be a question of prioritization. But yeah, a high profile case, you'd like it to get over with, so there'll be less pestering about it, so they can focus on their job.
Health insurance has screwed over so many people, that I hope that many in the jury can sympathize with Luigi, and give him more leniency. How many people has Brian murdered through his actions? He was being investigated, but we all know nothing was ever going to happen of it!
@ The VA provides a health benefits plan that veterans have to enroll in. Veterans often get screwed over by them as well so it would be very easy for one to empathize with standard health insurance.
Well, that might change now that some Jews in America are starting to fear-monger about the outpouring of support for the shooter by claiming it could lead to more antisemitic violence (yes, this is an ACTUAL argument I’ve already started seeing in Jewish-centric internet media spaces).
Ah but see, they were causing terror in the population, fear through violence to enact a governmental change. Absolutely no correlation with the definition of terrorism. Yup. This one is completely different. This time, it's timmy bilionaire who got sand thrown in his eyes, he went crying to daddy.
"You let one ant stand up to us, then they all might stand up. Those puny little ants outnumber us a hundred to one. And if they ever figure that out, there goes our way of life! It's not about food. It's about keeping those ants in line." -Hopper, A Bug's Life
A woman in New York was set on fire this morning. Pronounced dead on the scene by EMTs. I'm sure the NYPD is using all their resources to find the culprit.
He was found because of media coverage of the case, and someone recognized him. Case got media coverage because people like you take interest. In a small way, this very comment promotes it.
thank you! I was looking for this comment! our healthcare system is very much NOT a part of our government so he was in no way trying to coerce a government body or entity in anyway, nor was he intimidating the general public, just a very small tiny part of it.
I was hoping you would make a video on this. These terrorist charges are absolute bogus. School shooters actively looking to send a message don’t get these kinds of charges and some only get 15 years. This shows a double standard with the wealthy when the victim in this case has money. What can I do to try to help as a civilian?
@dotshape By the legal definition a terrorist is someone who uses violence in order to influence a change in government or regime - interesting I didn’t realize that healthcare companies were considered part of the government 🤔
Nothing. It's arigged system controlled by the oligarchs. Look at this video, these, "lawyers" have already assumed guilt and convicted Luigi regardless. Yet every time they talk about charges agains a billionaire, everything is always, "allegedly".
This is a good reason for a “not guilty” verdict on the terrorism charge, which depends on proving he was trying to create fear in the public. Unless you’re a health insurance CEO parasite who got rich on denying people the coverage they paid for, you have nothing to fear from Luigi.
He will be found guilty with 100% certainty. If i could i would bet my life savings on it. Theyre making such a big show, if they need to they will twist and turn in order to ensure he is not found innocent. But they wont need to, he was found with the murder weapon and paper explaining motive, these are the two most important pieces of evidence in a murder case ( besides footage that shows the criminal's identity, which doesnt exist in this case ). The trial will just be a matter of deciding the length of the sentence
@@OnLifeandLoveThe video isn't identifying, but by the writings they've found and his own statements, yes. It's pretty clear that he is (beyond reasonable doubt) guilty. The only possibility I can see is if he's an accomplice willing to take the fall. But... I don't see the point of that and it seems needlessly complex.
@OnLifeandLove It doesn't matter how obvious it is. You are INNOCENT until proven guilty. Which is why media bends over backwards to say ALLEGEDLY to every criminal being tried for a crime. The fact these lawyers and the media are not using that terminology for Luigi says so much about the double standard going on here.
"A person is guilty of a crime of terrorism when, with intent to intimidate or coerce a civilian population, influence the policy of a unit of government by intimidation or coercion, or affect the conduct of a unit of government by murder, assassination or kidnapping, he or she commits a specified offense." Charging him with this is a very roundabout way of saying, "corporations own and direct our government."
One comment I saw on Reddit put it perfectly: "To charge him with terrorism in a state that saw the biggest terrorist attack in American history is a joke."
Just FYI, if you put comments in favor of LM, YT removes your comment and gives you a warning for "Harrassment" with the risk of blocking your account. I got this.
A joke and it's idiotic. They could slip him away in a prison for the rest of his life but by throwing the book at him - and making a spectacle of his arrest - they're playing into Luigi's hands.
Man, everything they do to Mangione just digs a deeper hole. The harder they try to squeeze the guy, the more people come forward talking about how little the legal system has done to protect them, both from the violence of individuals and the violence of health insurance corporations.
When it happens to school children, it’s ignored or actively gaslit away. When it happened to a CEO, suddenly it’s terrorism. Why is our country like this?
Because too many people either don't vote, or they continually vote for representatives who don't actually represent them at all, allowing the corruption to continue unchecked.
Because we don't all come together to do the ONE thing that would be the basis for solving all of our problems: GET MONEY OUT OF POLITICS. (It would take a Constitutional Amendment.)
I believe the rich genuinely believe they are fundamentally more important than the rest of us and should be given special treatment and are sincerely baffled if we don't agree.
@@farrahupson Not all problems, but it's definitely the basis for solving the vast majority of problems within the political system. So yeah, the two big parties will presumably never run on such a platform, so people should clearly voice their support for such policies, and then vote accordingly. 'wasted 3rd party votes' are only wasted as long as the 3rd party doesn't get enough votes to be a contender.
How can you talk about Luigi like this as lawyers? He pleaded not guilty, you could at least say "allegedly". You're treating him as guilty before he gets proven innocent?
The fact that they're tacking on federal charges almost certainly specifically so they can go for the death penalty is a huge point. If the man he murdered wasn't a wealthy CEO and he didn't have a large amount of public support due to how the health insurance industry is guilty of mass murder, this would be left to the state alone like most murders. This is an example of the two-tiered justice system again in itself.
Exactly right. No matter which way the government takes this case, the only thing they’re demonstrating is that normal people are worthless while wealthy people are top priority. Double standard system on full display.
If he gets charged with terrorism and had crossed state lines after the murder, they have to charge him with federal crimes. I understand people don’t trust healthcare, but murder is murder. He also printed an unregistered gun and suppressor.
I know this is going to cause some disturbance and it’s not something I enjoy saying, but something I view as a reality of our unfortunate circumstances; a top CEO does absolutely hold more value than you or I in society. How justifiably they obtained that value is on a spectrum and not typically ethical at the top of everything, but these people are generally very smart and have come up with ideas that can and have changed the entire world (for better or worse). That is something we all strive for, or at least something I strive for. Who doesn’t want to change the world? Those with monetary means can do so much easier.
Using the bus to commit an interstate crime, I can understand... but the internet and cell phone? That means every crime would be federal. There's 0 specificity.
@@setcheck67 yeah, and that's already bad... but specifically using a cell phone and internet as reasons why it's an interstate crime and therefore merits federal prosecution is a TERRIBLE precedent to set.
I think that lawyer you brought in might've forgotten to say "allegedly" quite a bit. Luigi hasn't been convicted of any crimes, and as far as the people know there is no evidence proving anything. Having this sort of biased reading does a disservice to the idea that this countries laws are in any way "fair" or that you are innocent until proven guilty. And if he's a lawyer and he's talking this way he should be ashamed. It shows a clear lack of respect for the laws or people on trial.
They’re thinking the “T” word will make people less informed change their minds. Problem with that is it’s been 24 years since 9/11,the “T” word doesn’t carry the weight it used to.
By doing all of this they are literally just proving Luigi's point. The entire US already knew that the government was corrupt, but this is just going to put an even bigger spotlight on it.
@@TurtleChad1 He killed someone who terrorized civilians. Brian Thompson was a very bad person. If you think there are just wars, this was a just assassination. If you think there's no such thing as a just war and all violence is bad then you are simply naïve and do not know history.
>Pay for service (that is also mandatory to have). >Do not receive the service from the provider. >Law says that this blatantly obvious scam is actually legal. >Anarchy.
I don't understand your line of thinking. He's trying to enact political change through violence. How is that not the very definition of terrorism? Anarchists blew up bankers 100 years ago. No one questions if they weren't terrorists. You agreeing with him just means you agree with political violence in this context, not that he didn't commit it.
@@TurtleChad1 upset? United Healthcare's CEO raked in millions of dollars, hand over fist, for letting people die instead of his insurance company paying out when they were supposed to pay out. I'm not upset, I'm livid. You should be, too. Brian Thompson killed hundreds of thousands of people with his pen. Are you not upset at that?
No. This is to highlight that this is the worst way of bringing change. It’s a lot easier to write a manifesto or pull a trigger than developing a solution. Considering he was college educated, it makes the education system look incompetent too.
This happened recently in Japan. How a single person assassinated the ex pm Abe. When the system investigated on why he did it, It changed everything. They found corruption, a link with a religious sect and many other things. The assassin will spend his life in prison as a hero to many.
The problem is that if the US finds corruption and links to a religious sect.. that’s just another Tuesday. Some will celebrate it. Some will feel neutral. There is already involvement of religious sects and corruption that is meticulously recorded, yet the maggot still won the popular vote.
from what I see on wiki the PM's friends bankrupted the victim's mother so he retaliated. sorry to hear he's in jail. did any of the perpetrators go to jail for their fraud? or was Abe the only one to get punished?
@@HisameArtwork I'm not sure if there were prosecutions, but the Japanese government did take steps to separate from the cult that Abe was involved with, and Abe's party (and the ruling party of Japan almost non-stop since 1955, the conservative LDP) got pretty heavily punished in the recent elections.
The main problem I see is overcharging. That should be pretty easy to see. There was no intent to commit a terrorist act. This was a VERY specific act. Also, Eric Adams joining the perp walk isn't the flex that he thinks it is.
It is literally terrorism? The manifesto and casings provide a political message. It was socially and politically motivated. Whether you charge him for it or not, it is objectively terrorism
@@sgdadfgdfgadbdfbd It looks like it doesn't meet the NY state bar for terrorism though. The threshold for laws often doesn't line up with a term's general meaning.
Adding a random “objectively” to your statement does not make it true buddy. If (in absurd) I kill a grandpa and leave a note about how old people are weighting on society, that would not be “objectively” terrorism against old people…
The fact that he went out of his way to write in a notebook that no one was in on it to make sure no one gets wrongly accused can either be a manipulation tactic or that he is actually not a danger to society whatsoever. I vote the latter!
The case of Luigi Mangione being charged with terrorism is as shocking as it is revealing. It’s not just the charges themselves-an extraordinary escalation compared to how similar cases are treated-it’s what this says about the values underpinning our society. When you peel back the layers, this isn’t just about one man or one act; it’s about the stark inequality in how justice is applied and how human lives are valued based on wealth and status. Let’s be clear: the death of anyone, including a CEO, is tragic and demands accountability. But calling this terrorism? That’s a level of prosecutorial zeal we rarely see in cases involving violence against everyday people. Every year, thousands of people are killed in acts of violence, but how many of those cases are elevated to "terrorism"? How many receive this kind of intense investigation and resource allocation? The answer is depressingly predictable: not many-unless the victim is wealthy or powerful. Think about the systemic disparity here. When a homeless person is killed, it’s a blip on the radar-if it’s even reported. When low-income neighborhoods are ravaged by violence, society barely shrugs. But when a CEO is killed? Suddenly, the machinery of justice roars to life. Specialized task forces are deployed, resources pour in, and prosecutors seek the harshest possible charges. The message is loud and clear: some lives matter more than others. This case lays bare an uncomfortable truth about our society: we don’t treat all lives as equally valuable. Justice, it seems, is for sale, and those with money and power are given the lion’s share. If a crime impacts the wealthy, it’s an outrage. If it happens to the poor, it’s a statistic. This inequality isn’t just immoral; it’s corrosive. It undermines the very foundations of a just society, where fairness and equal treatment under the law are supposed to be bedrock principles. And let’s talk about the "terrorism" charge itself. Historically, terrorism has been used to describe acts intended to spread fear and achieve political or ideological goals. Applying it in this case feels like a stretch-an emotional reaction to the high profile of the victim rather than a measured application of the law. Meanwhile, countless acts of violence that devastate communities every day are treated as routine crimes. Where’s the consistency? Where’s the justice for those victims? What makes this even more egregious is the allocation of resources. How much money, time, and energy is being funneled into this case compared to the countless unsolved murders of ordinary people? How many families have watched loved ones die and been left with no answers, no closure, and no sense that their loss matters to the system? The imbalance is glaring. This isn’t about excusing what Mangione allegedly did. It’s about recognizing that the way this case is being handled exposes a societal sickness: a hierarchy of human worth. The lives of the rich and powerful are elevated, while the rest of us are left to fend for ourselves in a system that sees us as expendable. If we’re serious about justice-real justice-it’s time to level the playing field. Every life should matter equally, and the response to violence shouldn’t depend on the victim’s bank account or job title. Until we confront this inequality head-on, cases like Mangione’s will continue to serve as stark reminders of a system that values wealth over humanity. It’s a wake-up call, and it’s long overdue.
They're just going to find 12 people they know through 2-3 degrees of seperation and can't be traced back to the court. It's going to be a complete kangaroo trial.
Probably going to be some bigoted rural townsfolks sponsored by corporate America, because they publicised the shit out of this case so that no-one else is eligible.
theyre considering a death penalty also, so he went from murderer, to terrorist, to example, now they wanna make him a martyr lmao The absolute inept operation of the justice system knows no limits
To he fair, he's trying to enact political change through violence. That's pretty much the definition of terrorism. If a right winger kills someone for political reasons, would we be questioning a terrorism charge?
I think the government's attempt to turn Luigi into an example is going to blow up in their faces, especially if the case goes to a jury trial. Remember the OJ Trial? I could see a jury voting 'Not Guilty' just to spite the entire establishment.
What I'm personally worried about is corruption in the justice system. Who's to say the supposed evidence they found on him wasn't planted? Who's to say they won't select bootlickers for his jury? I fear that they want him dead and they'll do whatever it takes to get there. Because they can.
It is so weird that he is being accused of terrorism when the CEO is basically a mass murderer who used red tape as a weapon in order to avoid getting in trouble for it.
Day of the arrest I said to my buddy (after he said, "they're gonna Ross Ulbricht this lad"), "you're so right, how long before they stack on a terrorism charge too?" Neither of us are from the US - the world isn't blind to what this is.
Interestingly, trump's claimed he'll commute ulbricht's sentence. Obviously, the word of a serial liar isn't worth much, but if he does actually follow through it could be one of the few good things he does in office
I realize this is probably an unpopular opinion on a channel about the law, but this case is really showing people that the law isn't about morality or social good or promoting the general order; it's about power and who wields it. The law is fundamentally a vehicle through which those who stand atop social hierarchies can command, extract from, exploit, and do violence to those less powerful. A CEO can kill tens of thousands of Americans every year with a pen and that isn't murder: a coal company can poison generations and that isn't murder: a police department can force homeless people to flee from place to place until they die from exposure and that isn't murder. The law exists to protect and promote the interests of the powerful, because that is what legal systems are designed to do.
Yeah...Legal Eagle has obviously dedicated his life to the law, so he can't just say "I totally sympathise with Luigi, and think the rich have horribly abused the law for decades". Yet this year has shown that the law in America is truly corrupt, only serving The Rich and politically corrupt, double standards everywhere...
This applies to anticorruption laws as well. The point of those anticorruption laws is to protect people like Brian Thompson. Unfortunately, people like Brian Thompson often forget that those laws are there to prevent them from being gunned down in the streets by the peasants.
ugh, the problem I have with the terrorist charge is that it suggests that people are in the wrong now for wanting to change the healthcare system. That if you are against the system now, you're a "terrorist". Luigi isn't just on trial, we all are on trial right now.
They are whacking him with everything they can to deter people from doing the same, not that that would make a difference as with murder you are going to be in prison for most if not all their live, but that is how the government and legal system works.
For the sake of history, ^this!^ Also, they are like "oh my god! Drones! People are flying drones!" Not that drones arent very possibly a problem. In this case they have not been. Also, it's not a new thing, it's been like a decade...
I've only made it 2:49 into the video and I extremely dislike her already labeled Lugi as someone who would never be a good candidate for parole. Like he isn't even convicted and this guy has already been like nope not worthy of having a life. Child predators don't even get treated that harshly. Sigh I hate this world.
This discussion about Luigi's possibility of getting parole in 30 years was very interesting. Proof that prison is not a correctional facility. Lawyers already decide that theres no way someone can turn their life around when we see it all the time. We need an episode about the Prison Complex Industry and why its not actually a correctional facility at all. It is all just 21st Century Slavery.
@@lukeX2m The Lawyer in this video said that they don't expect Luigi ever getting a chance of parole ever. Implying that this court system doesn't intend on being a correctional facility. Just a lock up center for the rest of peoples lifes.
Well... you need to start with the people's mentality in the US. The fact that a lot of them are okay with people being killed by their state (death penalty) is a concept that conflicts with the justice system being "correctional" at the first place. Americans tend to laugh at how prisons over here in Europe (I'm German) are run, because prisoners have somewhat "good" living conditions with access to TV, gaming consoles etc... How difficault is it to understand, that convicted criminals are still human and deserve to be treated like humans. Prisons are there to keep people away from the general public and give them the possibiity to correct their criminal behavior, get medical treatment like therapy, educate, learn working skills - generally prepare them to become people who can live in society again. The american systems seems to mainly focus on punishment (and the prisons on profit). But of course, some people should never be released into the public again, and countries like Germany have laws in place for people like that..
just the protests alone would be HUGE and likely nationwide let alone how many people will go to where it's held or where he's being held to protest directly, its a bad move all around
He won’t even be convicted. You need 12 out of 12 jurors to convict for both the state and federal criminal charges. Go ask 12 people you know, even cherry picking the people you THINK would convict him. I’d bet money at least 1 would stonewall. They are trying to pile on charges to up the risk for him going to trial so they can get a plea bargain. But his attorney knows there is no risk.
It is rather chilling to hear someone talking about a young man, easily in his 20's or 30's just from looking at him, and them saying "Well, if he survives that long" when talking about 20 years in our prison system. I thought the death penalty was off the table for the New York prosecution? Funny how it is so easy to sweep under the rug the idea that just BEING in our prison system can lead to your death. And that Rykers is "one of the worst places on the Earth", a place where we people who are INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY, is one of the worst places on the Earth when there are places in the world like North Korea. We NEED reforms in this country on our prison system. This should not be normal.
@@matthewlove4082 "the government" doesn't even need to do anything. The US prison system is such a hellhole because it is supposed to be. It's not designed for rehabilitation. It's designed as a slave labor facility. You're not supposed to "get out of the system". That's why hardened criminals are emboldened there.
Due to the fact that it's being prosecuted at the federal level and it's being classed as terrorism, the death penalty is an option. Specifically, it's a combo of those 2 (terrorism and federal) and the fact that someone died. It's a really interesting (and concerning) situation that I think is liable to spiral out of the control of the government. The illusion is parting and people are seeing the truth, and that's going to lead to some consequences.
@iotajones1311 I agree. However, I was referring to the theoretical NY prosecution under Murder 2. When positing 20 years til parole, they stated "if he lives that long". He is unlikely to die of old age in 20 yrs, and it isn't the death penalty, but still our system is such that 20 yrs in prison might lead to you dying anyways. Which is upsetting
Given WHO Luigi killed is a factor, and that a sizable portion of the public view him as a hero, it's also very well possible that the inmates themselves will do likewise.
As a non-american following this case, Luigi has already been convicted as the perpetrator by the media. His chances of a fair trial seem pretty slim in my opinion and it continuously astonishes me that it's legal to treat suspects this way before they've even been convicted of a crime. The prosecution seems confident by that alone that they're going to win this case, so why not slap on a few more charges as a statement to show how despicable they find his actions.
This is a truly spectacular way of showing us all why Luigi did what he did. Showing us that one rich man's life can mean a terrorism charge, while our lives are just another number...is astonishing.
Your statement is a bit ambiguous. By "one rich man's life," I guess you're referring to Mangioni? Because you could also be referring to Thompson, the victim, who was also rich.
We are owned by the rich and this obscene overreaction and effort to paint Luigi as a supervillain is an attempt to terrify US into not emulating him and copying his behavior. They are TERRIFIED of the concept of lone vigilantes copying Luigi and targeting other CEOs.
@@griffinarcher2911 Under his command, the United Healthcare was responsable for the death of nearly 50.000 people by denying care. If this isn't an offence worth of the death penalty, then I don't know what is.
more importantly, no one is going to charge the feds with "terrorism" for trying to "influence public opinion or policy" in their attempt to get the scariest sounding headlines in the paper. they are going far beyond what is justified to make an example out of him.
The upper class of society in the United States is about to learn a hard lesson about the disconnect between the upper elite and the everyday hard working people.
Crazy how different it gets treated when the victim is a rich CEO. Meanwhile, all the victims of rich CEOs... meh... as long as the motive is profit, any harm/death can be excused...
Bro when I look at this incident. It feels like im reading a history book. Like these events are just short term causes or a trigger for something bigger to occur.
The way I look at it, this murder is a natural outcome or a symptom of policy decisions we have made in the United States. Unlike other developed countries we allow unfettered access to guns with no restrictions or hardly any at all. And unlike other developed countries we have a for-profit healthcare system that is incentivized to deny care to especially the very sick. And I think you take those two driving forces and we find ourselves where we are today… Where somebody motivated by the great pain that they have suffered and the great pain that a family member has suffered find themselves in possession of easy means to commit murder and access to a single individual who was in charge of the company that caused all that pain. I’m not condoning murder, I’m just saying that this is sort of a “find out” moment.
if this happened 200 years ago we'd read about him in history books as a classic american hero. if this happened during the revolutionary period his name would be alongside Washington, Jefferson, and Adams as american patriots that defended the wellbeing of the populace from an oppressive ruling class.
Correct. Keep silent. Tell the court yes, you can remain fair and impartial and intend to judge based on the facts. Then, based on the facts that will show his despondency at his and his mother's conditions and their treatment by UHC, you can find him not guilty. You don't need to say anything more, no reasoning, no justification, just not guilty your honor. Once the gavel has come down, then you can tell your story (though I wouldn't admit publicly that you never intended to be open to a guilty verdict as that could then become perjury on you). You can say that based on the evidence presented, you found that the charges were not just.
If you know you can do jury nullification, and you can be found to have known that you can do jury nullification, then you would also likely be lying during jury selection, as a not so straight forward question on the topic will be given to you. Also, if you end up with people starting to do jury nullification, you are at that point ruining the entire concept behind a jury, and the justice system, and more than likely, there will be amendments to remove a jury as a requirement.
Not sure how the jury is going to take those terrorist charges. I would imagine when people in NYC hear the word terrorist, they think of planes hitting buildings, not some dude shooting somebody.
From what I understand, shootings (of a singular person) are somewhat common in NYC, and as you said, they think of 9/11 when hearing the word terrorism. For many, it might feel like hearing "massive, life changing attack that affects hundreds of people" while talking about a sad but unfortunately common everyday occurence. And if shootings like this are happening all the time but just to poor people, and they don't get attention, then said poor people might feel angered by the hypocrisy of treating it so severely when the same thing happens to a rich person.
@@dangernoodledee111Almost every single person native to NYC have been personally victimized by a homicide where the NYPD has done nothing. This is insulting. New Yorkers know when someone’s spitting in our face so I’m hopeful the jury won’t take any shit.
@@gandalfthegay. The millionaires don't like health insurance either. They still pay every month for their premium insurance, and they also get the run-around. They don't want to pay out of pocket for things they've already paid into more than anyone else. Only difference is that they can afford to pay out of pocket if they have to, and they can afford lawyers that give the insurance company a hard time. But all the same, the millionaires aren't necessarily going to be gentle on these Middle Men any more than anyone else. I mean, they understand the system, they KNOW that these guys are just greedy Middle Men..... IOW, let a few jurors be rich, I don't think it will matter. Unless they're a bad person, CEO, and/or in the health insurance industry.
The fact the CEO (and many other CEOs) wasn't convicted of social murder a thousand times over is just one of many things that clarifies that legal is not ethical.
He's an accused murderer. That's the worst thing. This definition of terrorism would apply to most murders where the victim and perpetrator don't know each other. Every crime with a political motivation could technically be terrorism by this definition. I think we all know why this one is being treated so seriously.
It's noteworthy that Mangione's lawyer, KFA, was the deputy DA under Bragg in Manhattan. She knows him very well so it should be interesting to see how this plays out in court.
1. "committed a crime of violence" check 2. "with malice or forethought" check 3. "shows no remorse" check sounds like [indecipherable] United Health Care
So basically, what you're saying is, the rules are different for rich people. If a poor person is killed and the perpetrator is wealthy, very little if anything will happen, but if the victim is wealthy and the perpetrator is not as wealthy, then the perpetrator will have the book thrown at them immediately. Got it.
That reminds me of a certain movie that ended with a similar conclusion for the actions of its main character. And just like them, we truly live in a society... (I am not an American, btw, just very interested in America)
I ordered a poster with his picture and those 3 words to worship. Long live the king. I rewrote this comment 8 times (and counting) due to censorship I found that the word being censored is "Hero". I guess youtube or LegalEagle wants me to believe his actions are terrible. They are not. I will not be censored
Sometimes I wonder if the people telling us to sympathize with Brian Thompson realize how insane they sound to us. They're telling families who lost loved ones to Thompson's business decisions to sympathize with their murderer. Absolutely insane.
I have absolutely no sympathy for the guy. But the amount of people who seemingly think murder is justified just because a lot of people don't like someone is absolutely insane. McDonalds is killing countless people because it makes them fat. Does that mean it's okay to start doing drivebys in the drive through lane?
If you're in New York and eligible to serve on a jury, avoid posting anything on social media in support of Luigi. This ensures you won't be disqualified from potentially serving on his jury. If you believe in him and want to make a real impact, focus on maintaining neutrality online. That way, if you end up on his jury-whether federal or state-you can truly support him through your vote by finding him not guilty.
I would find him guilty of murder (as he should, since he did it), but not guilty of the terrorism charges. If you can't separate the points in your verdict, then you should vote not guilty, wait for the appeal, and maybe get the case to either drop the terrorism charge and be done again, or have the two charges handled separtely to convict him only of murder. I'm not sure how this all might go down, but he NEEDS to be punished for the murder, no more, no less. Creating an example of "murdering someone as long as they are influential enough" is really bad, even though I totally don't cry tears for the CEO at all.
@@christophsiebert1213It isnt murder. It is justice. That CEO was responsible for the deaths of thousands. Also you have probably heard this a lot but Jury Nullification, even if it is against the law the jury can still let him go because they believe it was the right thing.
The specacle of that perp walk shows the system has already determined his guilt. This is a show trial. Designed from the ground up to put fear into all the uppity poors.
Yep. As soon as they "caught hin" people were talking as if it was a done deal. People are programmed to accept whatever they're told. But some, perhaps, may seek to emulate his actions. We can only... uh... wait and see.
Luigi himself also has spondylolisthesis; a potentially debilitating and degenerative spinal injury/condition. As someone with multiple spinal problems, most if not all of them being genetic, I can attest to the pain he was in all the time and the sleeplessness he claims. When your spine is injured every single aspect of your life suffers. Each day is filled with uncertainty. As a young person this stress is even higher; you face each day knowing that as you get older, your condition will just get worse. You also deal with strangers and doctors alike telling you you're too young to have x problem with your body, and that "you don't LOOK disabled". "Will I be able to walk today? Will the things I need to do to survive cause a flare up that means I won't be able to walk tomorrow, and the day after- possibly the whole week? Will my left arm be normal, or will I struggle to even hold my car keys? How many drugs do I need to take to sleep through the pain tonight- will they even work, or will I just be awake and inebriated?" Him and his mother both suffered, and as someone who suffers- it can be hard to ignore when there are thousands upon thousands of people like you, suffering for the same reasons. He was just the first of us to snap and act on the rage and hopelessness.
@@dormantlime215 Also, he had surgery with pins, which helps in the meantime, but I wonder if it is similar to the stabilization done for lumbar scoliosis, which can lead to adjacent segment disease and issues with the sacrum/sacroiliac joint. I've also had issues with my piriformis/sciatic nerve, and mild scoliosis, and have had periods of time I couldn't walk. In my early 20s. It's really scary.
The only reasonable excuse for that circus display. Although I don't think that's it. It was just a parade for their "accomplishment" and an example for other people. Don't know what that dumbass mayor ( who should be in jail ) had to do with anything, other than a lame attempt at PR and "tough on crime" BS.
Then why was the mayor there? If it's about security, they have many other methods of transport: a "perp walk" is a display of power/control for the cops, that's it. This "oh we absolutely had to march this guy around in front of cameras with a huge escort b/c people like him" line is nothing more than an attempt to shame people whom aren't baying for this guy's immediate execution. Look at all the breathless news articles talking about "his fans like him b/c he's hot" or "people are supporting him like he's a serial killer": same shit.
This actually reminds me of the George Zimmerman - Trayvon Martin case where the prosecution had an easy manslaughter conviction but they really wanted it to be a murder charge and the result was an acquittal because they couldn't meet the requirements to prove murder.
I like how pissed lawyers become when someone takes their idea of justice into their own hands, as though this fella should've filed a formal complaint and then drank a glass of water to wash it down
'Why didn't you just talk with us?' "We did, you just ignored it." 'Well, why didn't you just lobby?' "We did, the government ignored us and took bribes from you and people like you." 'Well, why didn't you just protest in a civil manner?' "We did and police assaulted us for it." 'Well, you should of just laid there and took it.' "Why didn't you just treat us fairly to begin with?" 'We gave you what you deserve.' "Well, I guess you could say we did the same."
That's worse than wrong with Devin and the other lawyer. They were incredibly stoic, and the actual New York Criminal Prosecution Lawyer (not you) said it would be really difficult, nearly calling it irresponsible, to prosecute these charges. Not exactly champing at the bit to get a conviction.
5:06 Polish attorney here. But the article says about making impact on GOVERNMENT policies. Practices of insurers and their internal regulations are not country's legislation.
Government policy is one example, but not the only example. "Intent to intimidate or coerce a civilian population" is another. Any of them could fit the bill.
Even today, there is some limited control/regulation that the US government exerts over the health insurance industry. The "previous conditions" clause of the Affordable Care Act is one example.
I reject the assertion that they have video of Luigi committing this crime. They have video of someone committing the crime, but that video doesn't positively identify Luigi IMHO.
"I cannot imagine a situation where a parole board would say Luigi Mangione appears to have understood that what he did was wrong" Well of course not. What he did wasn't wrong. It was illegal. Not the same thing.
While his "victim" was indeed a bad person, and I can shed no tears for him, what lugui did is very wrong. I fully understand the anger, and something very much has to change. But vigilante justice is never the way. It far more often then not only hurts the cause you think you are helping.
@zogar8526 Vigilante justice is never the way? Then what is? Things would keep getting worse, and people would keep dying and suffering, while those responsible wouldn't be held accountable.
@@sidbid1590 calling your justice system functional and fair is hilarious when they gave a criminal with 60 or so charges a pass to run for president, anyone even suspected of these things should not be in a position of power.
It's interesting. In the OJ trial (which Ive seen a lot of people compare this to), he got off because of who the perp and prosecution were. If Luigi gets off, it's because of who the victim was.
OJ got off because the prosecution did some silly stuff such as asking for OJ put on the gloves, resulting in the famous "if the gloves dont fit, you must acquit" phrase plus the cop who found the gloves commit perjury all of which increased the doubt that OJ did it.
I think it’s ironic that all the criteria he gives for murder one and a bad person for parol can also be checked off in relation to the CEOs behavior with managing United Health
Luigi knew all this would happen. He let himself be found with the notebook, the manifesto. Everything. All this is part of his intentions. Stunning patriotism.
Or he might have been framed. They needed to pin it on *someone*, can't let the people think that you can get away with killing a CEO. It's what the trial will decide, I suppose.
Objection! Mitchell is treating Luigi as the killer rather than giving him the presumption of innocence. Saying things like “we have him on video”, but the video does not clearly show it is Luigi.
@@matthewlove4082 Sure, but they aren't _his_ lawyers or the judge. Also, cmon really? From the sounds of it, Luigi just about wrote 'hey, I'm going to murder the CEO of United Health for this specific, premeditated reason', as well as presumably having no alibi for the time of the event, and I'm imagine evidence of him leaving New York immediately after the murder. They wouldn't just pick up a random dude in McDonalds in another state on nothing. I've got as much sympathy for him as the next person, but the evidence that he did it is almost certainly overwhelming.
The conspiracy that the government is getting ready to bump it upwards to the Federal level.... Putting a charge like that into the headline gets people ready for the act, so they don't question morality.
Ask a New Yorker, the so-called "Democratic" leaders are woefully out of touch. They think because it's obvious anyone who threatens the rich is a terrorist, they're going to have problems when they go to select a Jury. They will absolutely try to lean hard on him to plea, and expect some beatings and abuse that get blamed on him or something.
And this is precisely my legal question: how large a group of the public needs to be terrorised for a politically-motivated murder to qualify as terrorism? The video skirted around this issue, and I still don't fully understand the answer.
@JohnDoe-k8p Heroes aren't real, they are just flawed human beings who happen to do what is needed when it's needed. It seems a lot of folks think this guy fits that definition :/
@JohnDoe-k8p He's a hero to people better than you. It's funny that you try to insult people by calling them Muppets because if I called you a Muppet it would be a compliment.
That's the point. If Luigi is the shooter, and that is a big IF still, it is not political change but corporate change that he intended to inflict if any change was intended and it wasn't just personal. Either the government will admit that megacorps are the government or the terrorism charge will be lost.
@@HALLish-jl5mo No? He did not intimidated public or government. If some CEOs become scared, well, it's their problem. May be try not to make money on expense of sick people then?
@@alexeyf1795Oh, but he did, and this entire theatre show on his arrest and charges is proof. I haven't seen the government treat some like this since the days of Abu Ghraib.
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If I were on that jury, he'd walk.
No. I bet if someone had a beef with, I dunno, a laundromat owner, even wrote a "manifesto," they wouldn't be charged with terrorism. He's being charged because the victim was a prominent rich guy.
I would not.
How exactly is he terrorizing the population when the internet is literally celebrating him. The only people he terrorized are other elites who have reason to fear for reprisal due to their actions.
No I wouldn't.
Not even the guy who assassinated Martin Luther King Jr got anything like a terrorism charge.
Of course not. Because the current slap-happiness about adding terrorism charges to violent crimes is a post 9/11 thing.
Martin Luther King Jr was considered an enemy of the state by the FBI. If anything, they LOVED that assassination. We don't know if they knew it would happen, but if they did, they certainly let it happen or perhaps even helped the murderer.
FBI won't charge themselves
cos the mlk assassin killed a voice for the people while luigi killed a voice for the soulless corporate elites
I don’t think this law existed pre-9/11.
Some woman in florida got charged for saying the "deny, depose, and you're next" line after healthcare was denied for her daughter. Yet when actively sent messages of threats of rape and murder by stalkers, police will dilly dally for as long as possible, and tell victims "there's not enough evidence" or "it's no danger"
It really is one rule for the rich and another for us.
She also said "You're next", and she was only charged.
@@SophiaWoessner "only charged" lol. But ya also very interested in how it plays out.
Whilst I agree with the general idea, this Luigi dude was pretty wealthy so idk if that one works on this specific video...
@@jasontaylor4802but his family worked in the medical care business, i guess he saw a lot of suffering growing up.
She unfortunately admitted to saying it too. Pro tip: never self-snitch
In 2008 I got shot in the chest and the police didn’t even try to look for the criminals, turns out all I needed in order to get justice was billions of dollars and control of a corporation.
I was shot while I was in the army. Nobody looked for my shooter, and I get a check every month that hardly covers my rent. Welcome to the US. "You get what you get."
@@angel235229 I’m sorry you have to experience this. I’m also sorry that the US is implicitly forcing people to risk their lives and that of others so that the rich get richer. I hope you recover soon both physically and mentally.
Something about assigning different levels of punishment to criminals based on the value of the victim through what boils down to financial status doesn't sit right with me.
one's health or justice ability should not be limited by wealth. this is a failure of the system.
@@JacktheRah "Implicitly forcing people to risk their lives and that of others"? Huh?
Public enemy? I have no fear of Luigi. I do have fear of my health insurance eventually denying me my medication for my Crohn's disease.
Dude I remember being terrified when I first started medication for my crohn's. Looking at the bill and seeing $25,000, its crazy to think there was even a chance for that to not be covered
My partner lives in a country with sane healthcare policies and has Ulcerative Colitis. When we were discussing being together there was no way for them to move over here with our healthcare system. Had they lived here when they got sick they'd be dead because the medication that saved their life would've been out of budget for them even with insurance.
It is cheaper for me to uproot my entire life and move to a different continent than it would be for a single month of their meds here.
If I had a choice between inviting Luigi over for a dinner party or inviting over my health insurance provider's representative, guess who I'd invite.
Well you aren't the public the government cares about
or retroactively denying the claims for your medication and the pharmacy footing you with the bill.
It really feels like the terrorism charge is a response to Luigi's folk hero status online, an attempt to set an example and scare would-be copycats.
There are a lot of people with no future in the USA that have nothing to lose so...
Their efforts will be fruitless even if they succeed.
Put another way, the terrorism charge is to cause fear in and influence a civilian population.
The question is, will it work. I don't think so.
This 100%
In other words they are trying terror tactics… 🤔
Don't forget prosecutors have said they are going to be pushing for the death penalty, which is not something they've done for school shooters and mass murderers.
This shows the obvious double standard that is being applied here and sends the message that the lives of several children are worth less than the life of one predatory billionaire.
This is disgusting.
there is not a death penalty in new york
@@yayforfood100 Hence the Federal charges.
Prosecutors have not said this
If Luigi is sentenced to death it’s very likely that people will riot and tensions will escalate dramatically
The elites make the law, of course they will twist it to favor them.
Ironically, charging him with terrorism is closer to terrorism than what Luigi did. They're trying to make an example of him to send the message that rich peoples lives are worth more than ours are to them.
How is what Luigi did terrorism but what Rittenhouse did wasn't? He took a weapon of war across state lines to go to where a protest he disagreed with was happening because he wanted to shoot people and then he did. If Luigi cries on the stand, does he go free too? He was just defending his health and that of everyone else denied coverage by the company.
And a message to anyone who might be even thinking of trying anything like this again
Agreed, this message backfires on them big time. Making him a greater martyr when his punishment was already as bad as it could be. Copy cats are going to find incentive from this to became a famous hero themselves.
True. Thats literally what terrorism is.
@@BanaiFeldstein a protest he disagreed with? brother they were beating him!
I don’t think it’s appropriate how they discuss Luigi as having committed crimes with certainty, without using the word “allegedly”.
Remember that he hasn’t been found guilty! He’s just a suspect 🙏
Was thinking the same thing. Don't like the language in this video. He is innocent until proven guilty.
The guest has some very biased language in general, Legal Eagle is usually better than this, a shame.
He also takes the claims of the police as proven fact when that is not the case yet.
Remember MBC,FOX, Times and most of the rest are part of Wall Street
Thank you! I'm glad I wasn't the only one this was bothering.
For 24 hours he made every CEO in America feel like US school children going to school. This is why they will make sure he is made an example of.
Did he make you afraid? Me neither. Doesn't sound like terrorism to me, sounds like "street justice".
Oh he’s definitely an example all right. But clearly not the kind they are trying to make of him.
@@nerfherder4284 he made them afraid and that's the problem
Was a targeted attack so yeah don't see it sticking.
Every ceo? Nah. Just health insurance ceos
As someone who is currently being screwed by my health insurance company (Amerihealth) I hate that the media is trying to guilt me into sympathizing with my victimizers when I am terrified that I won’t be able to afford to stay alive long enough for my twin 2 year old daughters to reach an age they will remember me. For-profit health insurance is nothing more than death assurance.
Thanks for identifying your offending provider.
I've had good luck with insurance carriers myself, probably because I'm picky about who I've worked for.
But it helps people to know what carriers, and by extension what employers, to avoid.
Job seekers should always ask about the carrier the employer uses, as that's part of your compensation package.
And if one employer is willing to hire you, so is another employer.
If you do turn down a job offer because of the insurance carrier the employers uses, by all means tell them that.
When employers find its difficult to fill positions because of the shitty carrier they use, they will change.
Not all carriers are shitty, but employers will pick the cheapest until it costs them money.
It’s blood money
What happens when you lose your job?
I’m so sorry you’ve had to deal with this. So many Americans are in your shoes and we all sympathize ❤
For profit health insurance = legalized murder
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Their push to label him a terrorist for using violence to influence policy ironically mirrors their own attempt to intimidate the public against similar actions.
Except one isn’t murder. Ffs. Stop living in slogans and think critically.
@@ChickenChal Actually, the US government murders all the time to intimidate. But this is acceptable to you, right?
@@ChickenChal Murder is murder, terrorism is terrorism. Two very different charges.
This charge opens him up to enhanced punishment. They've already done it before to set an example of people. Life in solitary at Florence Colorado.
I wonder if they're going to label those American heroes who fought for independence as terrorists as well.
These charges are so grossly inflated I hope it backfires spectacularly on this government overreach. They are systematically proving his point with the way everything is being handled. Rich CEOs matter more than the general population which is NOT how “all men are created equal” is supposed to work.
If he killed anyone else and got the fame he got for it the charges would be the same
I mean…it technically does say all men are “created” equal, not that all men “remain” equal.
they gonna have a hard time to find any jury find guilty and will go jury nullification
It's like it is intentional that they want it the overreach to backfire so that his movement keeps going resulting in Trump and the incoming Republican Congress getting to deal with a public movement demanding health care reform. They can play both sides here. On one side, rich corporate donors and their CEOs get to feel safe and that their lobbying is doing something and on the other side they can sabotage their political opponents with a movement that is calling for a change that the Democrats support and could take credit for enacting since the GOP would never cave to it.
The speed with which this man is being tried yet everyone else's cases get slow walked... Just proves his point, don't it?
It took four years to get Trump even in court. It took a week for Luigi
It's open and shut
Considering almost 50% of murders go unsolved in America, it’s a miracle they even caught the guy, let alone in 3 days. Really shows who the police work for.
@aetherkid he's just back in NYC after a week. You know, after he fled like a coward
You usually want to deal with high profile cases quickly... You are aware there is a maximum throughput of cases, and in many instances it will be a question of prioritization.
But yeah, a high profile case, you'd like it to get over with, so there'll be less pestering about it, so they can focus on their job.
CEO gets killed: It's terrorism!
Regular person gets killed: We might investigate it....
Now we know, unsolved murders exist because the victims weren't rich enough.
2 tier justice system.
Also, he's only suspected of committing the crime. He hasn't been convicted. He's innocent until proven guilty.
@@jondoe2542 don't live in US then
Health insurance has screwed over so many people, that I hope that many in the jury can sympathize with Luigi, and give him more leniency. How many people has Brian murdered through his actions? He was being investigated, but we all know nothing was ever going to happen of it!
@@pranshukrishna5105 found the actual terrorist.
"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others"
🐷
In America, you're only as equal as you can afford to be.
Good book
What George Orwell said will always be relevant regardless of age. It really is a timeless masterpiece.
George Orwell really was ahead of his time
Mission: Randomly Find seven jurors who didn’t get screwed by insurance companies. (Difficulty: Impossible)
Actually 12! Criminal conviction requires a unanimous vote of guilt
Veterans who use the VA 100%, but we still know people affected.
@@zenseed75 even some vets have va issues. There’s no level of healthcare in this country that is completely infallible unless you are wealthy.
@applepie6832 it isn't insurance though. The question was insurance.
@ The VA provides a health benefits plan that veterans have to enroll in. Veterans often get screwed over by them as well so it would be very easy for one to empathize with standard health insurance.
I find it interesting that neither the Synagogue Shooter or any of the Abortion Clinic suspects were charged with terrorism. 🤔
Or how about all the people who stormed the U.S. Capitol building to disrupt the certification of the 2020 election?
The only message I hear is we need a Mario and Waluigi. >__>
Well, that might change now that some Jews in America are starting to fear-monger about the outpouring of support for the shooter by claiming it could lead to more antisemitic violence (yes, this is an ACTUAL argument I’ve already started seeing in Jewish-centric internet media spaces).
Or Dylann Roof who was trying to start a race war. But it was South Carolina so maybe they didn’t want to talk about the motive.
Ah but see, they were causing terror in the population, fear through violence to enact a governmental change. Absolutely no correlation with the definition of terrorism. Yup. This one is completely different. This time, it's timmy bilionaire who got sand thrown in his eyes, he went crying to daddy.
"You let one ant stand up to us, then they all might stand up. Those puny little ants outnumber us a hundred to one. And if they ever figure that out, there goes our way of life! It's not about food. It's about keeping those ants in line."
-Hopper, A Bug's Life
"We're a lot stronger than you say we are... And you know it, don't you?"
-Flik, A Bug's Life
Don't valorize vigilante murder
@PatGunn I know change is uncomfortable but don't be afraid.
@@PatGunn Don't allow mass murder to go unpunished. Did you also cry like this when Bin Laden got whacked?
@PatGunn I know change is uncomfortable but don't be afraid.
A woman in New York was set on fire this morning. Pronounced dead on the scene by EMTs. I'm sure the NYPD is using all their resources to find the culprit.
He was found.
so, morning update for you: it does look like they found a suspect but still.
He was found because of media coverage of the case, and someone recognized him. Case got media coverage because people like you take interest. In a small way, this very comment promotes it.
@@kayleigh3858 and federally charged?
only the 1 % will get avenged with the US system
One issue with the terrorism charge... Businesses are legally individuals, not government.
thank you! I was looking for this comment! our healthcare system is very much NOT a part of our government so he was in no way trying to coerce a government body or entity in anyway, nor was he intimidating the general public, just a very small tiny part of it.
Good comment
I was hoping you would make a video on this. These terrorist charges are absolute bogus. School shooters actively looking to send a message don’t get these kinds of charges and some only get 15 years. This shows a double standard with the wealthy when the victim in this case has money. What can I do to try to help as a civilian?
@dotshape This was economical, so not covered.
@dotshape By the legal definition a terrorist is someone who uses violence in order to influence a change in government or regime - interesting I didn’t realize that healthcare companies were considered part of the government 🤔
@dotshape
Playing devil’s advocate has got to be tiring
Don’t forget the “victim” was also a white male with money.
Nothing. It's arigged system controlled by the oligarchs. Look at this video, these, "lawyers" have already assumed guilt and convicted Luigi regardless. Yet every time they talk about charges agains a billionaire, everything is always, "allegedly".
Public enemy? Grandmothers would feel perfectly safe on subway sitting next to Luigi and probably offer him a cookie.
Very true...as I said in a previous post on another page...Luigi has not hurt me or the society I live in.
This is a good reason for a “not guilty” verdict on the terrorism charge, which depends on proving he was trying to create fear in the public. Unless you’re a health insurance CEO parasite who got rich on denying people the coverage they paid for, you have nothing to fear from Luigi.
Billionaires are scared. That's why.
my grandmother said he's like Jesus but more handsome
@@Ichimomo101 I mean. Didn't Jesus attack merchants in a temple? Not the same, but...
"Obviously, if you get charged with Terrorism, you need a good lawyer"
Wildest transition to the Eagle Team segment 😂
He addresses my daily problems 😔
Well climate activists have gotten charged with Terrorism, so it may not be that far off
Bills gotta get paid.
Perfect timing too lol
Indicted terrorist is an expanding market segment
notice how all these lawyers are already deeming him guilty, not even giving him a lick of presumptive innocence.
He will be found guilty with 100% certainty. If i could i would bet my life savings on it. Theyre making such a big show, if they need to they will twist and turn in order to ensure he is not found innocent. But they wont need to, he was found with the murder weapon and paper explaining motive, these are the two most important pieces of evidence in a murder case ( besides footage that shows the criminal's identity, which doesnt exist in this case ). The trial will just be a matter of deciding the length of the sentence
Wanna bet on it? Yes justice should be blind and innocent intill guilty and all of that, but its very obvious he's guilty.
There is recorded video that he shot the person and by his own written record he admitted to his crimes. How on earth can he be innocent.
@@OnLifeandLoveThe video isn't identifying, but by the writings they've found and his own statements, yes. It's pretty clear that he is (beyond reasonable doubt) guilty.
The only possibility I can see is if he's an accomplice willing to take the fall. But... I don't see the point of that and it seems needlessly complex.
@OnLifeandLove It doesn't matter how obvious it is. You are INNOCENT until proven guilty. Which is why media bends over backwards to say ALLEGEDLY to every criminal being tried for a crime. The fact these lawyers and the media are not using that terminology for Luigi says so much about the double standard going on here.
"A person is guilty of a crime of terrorism when, with intent to intimidate or coerce a civilian population, influence the policy of a unit of government by intimidation or coercion, or affect the conduct of a unit of government by murder, assassination or kidnapping, he or she commits a specified offense."
Charging him with this is a very roundabout way of saying, "corporations own and direct our government."
I thought they meant that the corporation executives are a civilian population?
and i hope it can be wake up call to Americans
It's especially ridiculous considering the vast majority of the civilian population is on his side. The system needs change so badly.
Theyre telling us insurance CEOs are "a unit of government" ok got it
You forgot the obvious corporations fall under "coerce a civilian population".
One comment I saw on Reddit put it perfectly: "To charge him with terrorism in a state that saw the biggest terrorist attack in American history is a joke."
Just FYI, if you put comments in favor of LM, YT removes your comment and gives you a warning for "Harrassment" with the risk of blocking your account. I got this.
A joke and it's idiotic. They could slip him away in a prison for the rest of his life but by throwing the book at him - and making a spectacle of his arrest - they're playing into Luigi's hands.
It really mortgages the credibility of "terrorism" accusations.
lol you don't understand the law very well... what on earth would 911 have to do with it, other than the terroism law
Pretty vapid comment tbh.
Really shows how the justice system for us and them are completely different.
"Rules for thee, not for me."
It's a legal system. It's not a justice system.
@@dmw870 It is SUPPOSED to be a justice system
@@RHColeMaking a bold assumption there.
@@Demmrir How is repeating what the justice system calls itself an assumption? Explain.
Man, everything they do to Mangione just digs a deeper hole. The harder they try to squeeze the guy, the more people come forward talking about how little the legal system has done to protect them, both from the violence of individuals and the violence of health insurance corporations.
When it happens to school children, it’s ignored or actively gaslit away. When it happened to a CEO, suddenly it’s terrorism. Why is our country like this?
Because too many people either don't vote, or they continually vote for representatives who don't actually represent them at all, allowing the corruption to continue unchecked.
Because we don't all come together to do the ONE thing that would be the basis for solving all of our problems: GET MONEY OUT OF POLITICS. (It would take a Constitutional Amendment.)
I believe the rich genuinely believe they are fundamentally more important than the rest of us and should be given special treatment and are sincerely baffled if we don't agree.
Every country is like this if we are being fair, we just hear about our own countries news the most often
@@farrahupson Not all problems, but it's definitely the basis for solving the vast majority of problems within the political system. So yeah, the two big parties will presumably never run on such a platform, so people should clearly voice their support for such policies, and then vote accordingly. 'wasted 3rd party votes' are only wasted as long as the 3rd party doesn't get enough votes to be a contender.
Funny how that guy who shot up a black church to bring on a race war wasn’t charged with terrorism. Selective prosecution.
Yeah, they make up any BS they like. No different from Russia.
i.e., totalitarianism.
1st degree unal obles
2nd degree unal proles
I dont think it's a racial thing mate. It's a class thing. The government isn't up in arms because the ceo was white, it's because he was a ceo
@jarlathburns1184 but if he was a black CEO they wouldn't care.
United Healthcare is responsible for so many deaths, and yet it's Luigi being labeled as a terrorist? Do they think we're dumb?
Exactly!
The pen is truly mightier than the sword.
It would be the biggest chad move for Biden to pardon him on Jan 5th
We did pick Trump for a second term so...
@JRDShamrock good point he won't most of the vote for president Elon i mean Trump we're so screw
How can you talk about Luigi like this as lawyers? He pleaded not guilty, you could at least say "allegedly". You're treating him as guilty before he gets proven innocent?
Supposedly it's because he wrote a manifesto and everything
We all know by legal definition everything is still alleged but it would get tiring to say that every time to make some smartypants happy.
The fact that they're tacking on federal charges almost certainly specifically so they can go for the death penalty is a huge point. If the man he murdered wasn't a wealthy CEO and he didn't have a large amount of public support due to how the health insurance industry is guilty of mass murder, this would be left to the state alone like most murders. This is an example of the two-tiered justice system again in itself.
Exactly right. No matter which way the government takes this case, the only thing they’re demonstrating is that normal people are worthless while wealthy people are top priority. Double standard system on full display.
Not to mention he'd already be forgotten about by the media if the victim was an average person.
@@CitroChannel if he killed a normal person he probably get 3 years
If he gets charged with terrorism and had crossed state lines after the murder, they have to charge him with federal crimes. I understand people don’t trust healthcare, but murder is murder. He also printed an unregistered gun and suppressor.
I know this is going to cause some disturbance and it’s not something I enjoy saying, but something I view as a reality of our unfortunate circumstances; a top CEO does absolutely hold more value than you or I in society. How justifiably they obtained that value is on a spectrum and not typically ethical at the top of everything, but these people are generally very smart and have come up with ideas that can and have changed the entire world (for better or worse). That is something we all strive for, or at least something I strive for. Who doesn’t want to change the world? Those with monetary means can do so much easier.
Using the bus to commit an interstate crime, I can understand... but the internet and cell phone? That means every crime would be federal. There's 0 specificity.
The crime is federal if they want it to be, that's always been the case.
not every crime but yeah a lot of premeditated things would be. that stuff should be thrown out.
@@setcheck67 exactly. He probably wrote the diary using a pen that was made in China. Boom, interstate commerce, even without the internet.
@@setcheck67 yeah, and that's already bad... but specifically using a cell phone and internet as reasons why it's an interstate crime and therefore merits federal prosecution is a TERRIBLE precedent to set.
@@setcheck67 no it ain't. The prosecutor is just streching. This is NOT going anywhere.
My grandma lost her retirement to support my grandpa because their claim was denied during his chemo. Rip gramps, W Vigilante.
@@kkiuoi least obvious rage bait ever
My father fought the insurance company as much as he fought my mother's brain cancer.
@@GK2o bait used to be believable get outta here
@@nyctomint when did you replied to me out of nowhere?
I think that lawyer you brought in might've forgotten to say "allegedly" quite a bit. Luigi hasn't been convicted of any crimes, and as far as the people know there is no evidence proving anything. Having this sort of biased reading does a disservice to the idea that this countries laws are in any way "fair" or that you are innocent until proven guilty. And if he's a lawyer and he's talking this way he should be ashamed. It shows a clear lack of respect for the laws or people on trial.
If they think making Luigi a terrorist will make people hate the rich less, they're very mistaken
They’re thinking the “T” word will make people less informed change their minds.
Problem with that is it’s been 24 years since 9/11,the “T” word doesn’t carry the weight it used to.
If anything, they made him a martyr. They are so incredibly out of touch that they don't even realize it.
I seriously doubt that even factors into the equation.
Yep, they are really out of touch with the real life outcry. Vive la revolución
It is so they can charge him with first degree murder. it is a requirement in New York for some reason
By doing all of this they are literally just proving Luigi's point. The entire US already knew that the government was corrupt, but this is just going to put an even bigger spotlight on it.
Very reminiscent of how the assassination of Shinzo Abe revealed widespread corruption in the government of Japan.
And if he gets the death penalty, he'll be a martyr.
@@splendidcolors And that was because the killer there was upset that his mom went bankrupt donating to the Moonies
No guilty verdicts until the justice system is reformed.
We are living in a CORRUPTED state. We just don't like to admit it.
As a civilian, I am the opposite of intimidated
Yeah, the problem is that now we're intimidating, and the ruling class doesn't like that
I think it meant "intimidating" by giving the power to the population to BE intimidating, and that is a problem to those in power
What Luigi did was morally wrong
@@TurtleChad1 He killed someone who terrorized civilians. Brian Thompson was a very bad person. If you think there are just wars, this was a just assassination. If you think there's no such thing as a just war and all violence is bad then you are simply naïve and do not know history.
@@TurtleChad1 morals are subjective to each person, that means nothing.
>Pay for service (that is also mandatory to have).
>Do not receive the service from the provider.
>Law says that this blatantly obvious scam is actually legal.
>Anarchy.
The terrorism charge is a message. "Little people remember your place!"
I understand you guys are upset but this doesn't change the fact that what he did was not good.
I don't understand your line of thinking. He's trying to enact political change through violence. How is that not the very definition of terrorism? Anarchists blew up bankers 100 years ago. No one questions if they weren't terrorists. You agreeing with him just means you agree with political violence in this context, not that he didn't commit it.
@@TurtleChad1 upset? United Healthcare's CEO raked in millions of dollars, hand over fist, for letting people die instead of his insurance company paying out when they were supposed to pay out. I'm not upset, I'm livid. You should be, too. Brian Thompson killed hundreds of thousands of people with his pen. Are you not upset at that?
@@TurtleChad1 oh but it was good
No. This is to highlight that this is the worst way of bringing change. It’s a lot easier to write a manifesto or pull a trigger than developing a solution. Considering he was college educated, it makes the education system look incompetent too.
This happened recently in Japan. How a single person assassinated the ex pm Abe.
When the system investigated on why he did it, It changed everything. They found corruption, a link with a religious sect and many other things.
The assassin will spend his life in prison as a hero to many.
The problem is that if the US finds corruption and links to a religious sect.. that’s just another Tuesday. Some will celebrate it. Some will feel neutral. There is already involvement of religious sects and corruption that is meticulously recorded, yet the maggot still won the popular vote.
@@hevo1 yo and Western media did not cover that at all! I heard one little blurb about it and I was like not ones talking about this.
@@mastathrash5609 To be fair the whole Unification Church fiasco is a bit too complex for any news segment to cover in a short time
from what I see on wiki the PM's friends bankrupted the victim's mother so he retaliated.
sorry to hear he's in jail. did any of the perpetrators go to jail for their fraud? or was Abe the only one to get punished?
@@HisameArtwork I'm not sure if there were prosecutions, but the Japanese government did take steps to separate from the cult that Abe was involved with, and Abe's party (and the ruling party of Japan almost non-stop since 1955, the conservative LDP) got pretty heavily punished in the recent elections.
The main problem I see is overcharging. That should be pretty easy to see. There was no intent to commit a terrorist act. This was a VERY specific act. Also, Eric Adams joining the perp walk isn't the flex that he thinks it is.
He’s probably the biggest criminal of that group, impressive considering it includes ICE and NYPD officers plus.
It is literally terrorism? The manifesto and casings provide a political message. It was socially and politically motivated. Whether you charge him for it or not, it is objectively terrorism
@@sgdadfgdfgadbdfbd It looks like it doesn't meet the NY state bar for terrorism though. The threshold for laws often doesn't line up with a term's general meaning.
Adding a random “objectively” to your statement does not make it true buddy. If (in absurd) I kill a grandpa and leave a note about how old people are weighting on society, that would not be “objectively” terrorism against old people…
Amazed Adams didn't somehow get the perp walk to happen in istanbul
The fact that he went out of his way to write in a notebook that no one was in on it to make sure no one gets wrongly accused can either be a manipulation tactic or that he is actually not a danger to society whatsoever. I vote the latter!
The fact that luigi gets more security around him at all times compared to other first degree murderers is baffling. Shows what their priorities are.
He litteraly is one
@timo4463 yeah I know. That's why I said "compared to other." other first degree murderers don't get nearly as much security
Ok to be fair that makes sense. There are no doubts many who would try to either free or harm him.
It's all a show, a three ring circus.
@@ziek3012 As much as I agree that he is being unfairly treated and that the CEO was probably a worse human, it's a high profile case. It makes sense
The case of Luigi Mangione being charged with terrorism is as shocking as it is revealing. It’s not just the charges themselves-an extraordinary escalation compared to how similar cases are treated-it’s what this says about the values underpinning our society. When you peel back the layers, this isn’t just about one man or one act; it’s about the stark inequality in how justice is applied and how human lives are valued based on wealth and status.
Let’s be clear: the death of anyone, including a CEO, is tragic and demands accountability. But calling this terrorism? That’s a level of prosecutorial zeal we rarely see in cases involving violence against everyday people. Every year, thousands of people are killed in acts of violence, but how many of those cases are elevated to "terrorism"? How many receive this kind of intense investigation and resource allocation? The answer is depressingly predictable: not many-unless the victim is wealthy or powerful.
Think about the systemic disparity here. When a homeless person is killed, it’s a blip on the radar-if it’s even reported. When low-income neighborhoods are ravaged by violence, society barely shrugs. But when a CEO is killed? Suddenly, the machinery of justice roars to life. Specialized task forces are deployed, resources pour in, and prosecutors seek the harshest possible charges. The message is loud and clear: some lives matter more than others.
This case lays bare an uncomfortable truth about our society: we don’t treat all lives as equally valuable. Justice, it seems, is for sale, and those with money and power are given the lion’s share. If a crime impacts the wealthy, it’s an outrage. If it happens to the poor, it’s a statistic. This inequality isn’t just immoral; it’s corrosive. It undermines the very foundations of a just society, where fairness and equal treatment under the law are supposed to be bedrock principles.
And let’s talk about the "terrorism" charge itself. Historically, terrorism has been used to describe acts intended to spread fear and achieve political or ideological goals. Applying it in this case feels like a stretch-an emotional reaction to the high profile of the victim rather than a measured application of the law. Meanwhile, countless acts of violence that devastate communities every day are treated as routine crimes. Where’s the consistency? Where’s the justice for those victims?
What makes this even more egregious is the allocation of resources. How much money, time, and energy is being funneled into this case compared to the countless unsolved murders of ordinary people? How many families have watched loved ones die and been left with no answers, no closure, and no sense that their loss matters to the system? The imbalance is glaring.
This isn’t about excusing what Mangione allegedly did. It’s about recognizing that the way this case is being handled exposes a societal sickness: a hierarchy of human worth. The lives of the rich and powerful are elevated, while the rest of us are left to fend for ourselves in a system that sees us as expendable.
If we’re serious about justice-real justice-it’s time to level the playing field. Every life should matter equally, and the response to violence shouldn’t depend on the victim’s bank account or job title. Until we confront this inequality head-on, cases like Mangione’s will continue to serve as stark reminders of a system that values wealth over humanity. It’s a wake-up call, and it’s long overdue.
"Justice for Sale" is the single most incisive and sobering one liner to explain the state of the US justice system. Bravo
I agree that the escalation to murder 1 seems like a reaction driven by emotions
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that is a very nice argument
and i am inclined to agree
Well written. 💯
One part of this trial I look forward to read about is the jury selection. I feel it's going to be wild
Wait, is that public record?
They're just going to find 12 people they know through 2-3 degrees of seperation and can't be traced back to the court. It's going to be a complete kangaroo trial.
Probably going to be some bigoted rural townsfolks sponsored by corporate America, because they publicised the shit out of this case so that no-one else is eligible.
Every single one of them is gonna be a corpo or in a corpo pocket. They are all gonna have some sort of Wall Street, high-end, white-collar job
@@ParadoxicalThird if his family wasn't rich maybe. Makes it harder to throw the book at a guy who has rich parents.
Gotta love a lawyer coming on another lawyers show and straight declares a man committed murder before a trial. Great legal content
Women (and men) have been stalked and ignored so often, yet here 2 days is enough to warrant as a crime. What a joke.
Yes, but that's just the proletariat, not the unelected god kings that manage our world
@@caput_mortuum I am sorry. I forgot my place in this world.
@@gandalfthegay.Don't publicly admit that ever again.
Unless you want trouble.
Well he also shot and killed the guy he was stalking...
@@MakoProfessionalJerk which also happens lmao
"Why would they add the terrorist charge?" To make an example out of him ofc.
they're terrified they won't get a conviction and want to throw everything they can into the pot.
and to paint anyone supporting him as a terrorist sympathizer.
theyre considering a death penalty also, so he went from murderer, to terrorist, to example, now they wanna make him a martyr lmao The absolute inept operation of the justice system knows no limits
Well yeah, that's the point of punishment: to deter others from committing crimes. *everyone* in prison is there to serve as an example to others.
To he fair, he's trying to enact political change through violence. That's pretty much the definition of terrorism. If a right winger kills someone for political reasons, would we be questioning a terrorism charge?
I think the government's attempt to turn Luigi into an example is going to blow up in their faces, especially if the case goes to a jury trial. Remember the OJ Trial? I could see a jury voting 'Not Guilty' just to spite the entire establishment.
I predict a jury nullification
What I'm personally worried about is corruption in the justice system. Who's to say the supposed evidence they found on him wasn't planted? Who's to say they won't select bootlickers for his jury? I fear that they want him dead and they'll do whatever it takes to get there. Because they can.
They're trying to move it to a non-jury trial.
How is this similar to the OJ case?
@@JChaos1120as far as I understand that is the decision of the defense.
It is so weird that he is being accused of terrorism when the CEO is basically a mass murderer who used red tape as a weapon in order to avoid getting in trouble for it.
Day of the arrest I said to my buddy (after he said, "they're gonna Ross Ulbricht this lad"), "you're so right, how long before they stack on a terrorism charge too?"
Neither of us are from the US - the world isn't blind to what this is.
Interestingly, trump's claimed he'll commute ulbricht's sentence. Obviously, the word of a serial liar isn't worth much, but if he does actually follow through it could be one of the few good things he does in office
Mangione didn’t go to Penn State, he went to the University of Pennsylvania. You’re mixing up state schools with the Ivy League.
@@knockeledup OH lmao will edit out thank you for correction, I am v clearly not an American😅
name sounds familiar, wasn't he Dread Pirate Robert?
@@themoocow7718 yup that's him!
I realize this is probably an unpopular opinion on a channel about the law, but this case is really showing people that the law isn't about morality or social good or promoting the general order; it's about power and who wields it. The law is fundamentally a vehicle through which those who stand atop social hierarchies can command, extract from, exploit, and do violence to those less powerful. A CEO can kill tens of thousands of Americans every year with a pen and that isn't murder: a coal company can poison generations and that isn't murder: a police department can force homeless people to flee from place to place until they die from exposure and that isn't murder. The law exists to protect and promote the interests of the powerful, because that is what legal systems are designed to do.
Yeah...Legal Eagle has obviously dedicated his life to the law, so he can't just say "I totally sympathise with Luigi, and think the rich have horribly abused the law for decades". Yet this year has shown that the law in America is truly corrupt, only serving The Rich and politically corrupt, double standards everywhere...
This applies to anticorruption laws as well. The point of those anticorruption laws is to protect people like Brian Thompson. Unfortunately, people like Brian Thompson often forget that those laws are there to prevent them from being gunned down in the streets by the peasants.
Which is the whole point of bureaucracy in the first place! Welcome to capitalism - a system for predators, by predators!
That’s not an unpopular opinion at all lol
Fun fact that's literally why the NLRB was created@@YouthRightsRadical
ugh, the problem I have with the terrorist charge is that it suggests that people are in the wrong now for wanting to change the healthcare system. That if you are against the system now, you're a "terrorist". Luigi isn't just on trial, we all are on trial right now.
the healthcare system is indeed the enemy of the american people.
They are whacking him with everything they can to deter people from doing the same, not that that would make a difference as with murder you are going to be in prison for most if not all their live, but that is how the government and legal system works.
If you go against the system you’ll be made an example of … you all should’ve known better
"Terrorism" is a description of a certain violent political strategy, not necessarily a moral judgement on that strategy
For the sake of history, ^this!^
Also, they are like "oh my god! Drones! People are flying drones!"
Not that drones arent very possibly a problem. In this case they have not been. Also, it's not a new thing, it's been like a decade...
I've only made it 2:49 into the video and I extremely dislike her already labeled Lugi as someone who would never be a good candidate for parole. Like he isn't even convicted and this guy has already been like nope not worthy of having a life. Child predators don't even get treated that harshly. Sigh I hate this world.
This discussion about Luigi's possibility of getting parole in 30 years was very interesting. Proof that prison is not a correctional facility. Lawyers already decide that theres no way someone can turn their life around when we see it all the time.
We need an episode about the Prison Complex Industry and why its not actually a correctional facility at all. It is all just 21st Century Slavery.
Lawyers? What are you talking about? I think you are lost.
@@lukeX2m The Lawyer in this video said that they don't expect Luigi ever getting a chance of parole ever. Implying that this court system doesn't intend on being a correctional facility. Just a lock up center for the rest of peoples lifes.
That episode happened a couple of years ago on "This Week Tonight" with John Oliver. I think you can still find it on his channel.
Well... you need to start with the people's mentality in the US. The fact that a lot of them are okay with people being killed by their state (death penalty) is a concept that conflicts with the justice system being "correctional" at the first place.
Americans tend to laugh at how prisons over here in Europe (I'm German) are run, because prisoners have somewhat "good" living conditions with access to TV, gaming consoles etc... How difficault is it to understand, that convicted criminals are still human and deserve to be treated like humans.
Prisons are there to keep people away from the general public and give them the possibiity to correct their criminal behavior, get medical treatment like therapy, educate, learn working skills - generally prepare them to become people who can live in society again.
The american systems seems to mainly focus on punishment (and the prisons on profit).
But of course, some people should never be released into the public again, and countries like Germany have laws in place for people like that..
If you are remorseless about what you did then you are probably not safe to be paroled.
If Luigi gets a federal death penalty, he’ll become a big martyr. That’s likely the worst move the powers that be could make.
just the protests alone would be HUGE and likely nationwide let alone how many people will go to where it's held or where he's being held to protest directly, its a bad move all around
@@withercat they already lost anyway
@@withercat I hope you're right, but I doubt it.
He won’t even be convicted. You need 12 out of 12 jurors to convict for both the state and federal criminal charges. Go ask 12 people you know, even cherry picking the people you THINK would convict him. I’d bet money at least 1 would stonewall.
They are trying to pile on charges to up the risk for him going to trial so they can get a plea bargain. But his attorney knows there is no risk.
@@withercat They'll just send in the police to supress the protests anyways....
It is rather chilling to hear someone talking about a young man, easily in his 20's or 30's just from looking at him, and them saying "Well, if he survives that long" when talking about 20 years in our prison system. I thought the death penalty was off the table for the New York prosecution? Funny how it is so easy to sweep under the rug the idea that just BEING in our prison system can lead to your death.
And that Rykers is "one of the worst places on the Earth", a place where we people who are INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY, is one of the worst places on the Earth when there are places in the world like North Korea.
We NEED reforms in this country on our prison system. This should not be normal.
Chills down my spine when they said that. It feels like everybody knows the government will have Luigi killed one way or the other.
@@matthewlove4082 "the government" doesn't even need to do anything. The US prison system is such a hellhole because it is supposed to be. It's not designed for rehabilitation. It's designed as a slave labor facility. You're not supposed to "get out of the system". That's why hardened criminals are emboldened there.
Due to the fact that it's being prosecuted at the federal level and it's being classed as terrorism, the death penalty is an option. Specifically, it's a combo of those 2 (terrorism and federal) and the fact that someone died. It's a really interesting (and concerning) situation that I think is liable to spiral out of the control of the government. The illusion is parting and people are seeing the truth, and that's going to lead to some consequences.
@iotajones1311 I agree. However, I was referring to the theoretical NY prosecution under Murder 2. When positing 20 years til parole, they stated "if he lives that long".
He is unlikely to die of old age in 20 yrs, and it isn't the death penalty, but still our system is such that 20 yrs in prison might lead to you dying anyways. Which is upsetting
Given WHO Luigi killed is a factor, and that a sizable portion of the public view him as a hero, it's also very well possible that the inmates themselves will do likewise.
As a non-american following this case, Luigi has already been convicted as the perpetrator by the media. His chances of a fair trial seem pretty slim in my opinion and it continuously astonishes me that it's legal to treat suspects this way before they've even been convicted of a crime. The prosecution seems confident by that alone that they're going to win this case, so why not slap on a few more charges as a statement to show how despicable they find his actions.
He's alleged actions.
This is a truly spectacular way of showing us all why Luigi did what he did. Showing us that one rich man's life can mean a terrorism charge, while our lives are just another number...is astonishing.
Your statement is a bit ambiguous. By "one rich man's life," I guess you're referring to Mangioni? Because you could also be referring to Thompson, the victim, who was also rich.
@@ps.2 It's not ambiguous at all
@@ps.2 Its not ambigious at all. Context is king.
Next time try to be smarter while smartarsing.
We are owned by the rich and this obscene overreaction and effort to paint Luigi as a supervillain is an attempt to terrify US into not emulating him and copying his behavior. They are TERRIFIED of the concept of lone vigilantes copying Luigi and targeting other CEOs.
No one would do that:V
Sounds like the terrorism charges are on the wrong end.
They are scared that the GOP (mainly) and the DNC (yes, they too no matter how much you deny it) will be exposed as the biggest CEOs.
Well yes, because there should not be lone vigilantes murdering people. You really aren't helping the terrorism accusation lmao
@@griffinarcher2911 Under his command, the United Healthcare was responsable for the death of nearly 50.000 people by denying care. If this isn't an offence worth of the death penalty, then I don't know what is.
They charged him federally to avoid transparency, as cameras aren't allowed in federal court.
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it's a very unfortunate usage of a practical and smart policy.
Who was the terrorist here.
more importantly, no one is going to charge the feds with "terrorism" for trying to "influence public opinion or policy" in their attempt to get the scariest sounding headlines in the paper. they are going far beyond what is justified to make an example out of him.
But reporters are. I hope they make their profession proud if it comes to that.
The upper class of society in the United States is about to learn a hard lesson about the disconnect between the upper elite and the everyday hard working people.
Crazy how different it gets treated when the victim is a rich CEO. Meanwhile, all the victims of rich CEOs... meh... as long as the motive is profit, any harm/death can be excused...
Bro when I look at this incident. It feels like im reading a history book. Like these events are just short term causes or a trigger for something bigger to occur.
The way I look at it, this murder is a natural outcome or a symptom of policy decisions we have made in the United States. Unlike other developed countries we allow unfettered access to guns with no restrictions or hardly any at all. And unlike other developed countries we have a for-profit healthcare system that is incentivized to deny care to especially the very sick. And I think you take those two driving forces and we find ourselves where we are today… Where somebody motivated by the great pain that they have suffered and the great pain that a family member has suffered find themselves in possession of easy means to commit murder and access to a single individual who was in charge of the company that caused all that pain. I’m not condoning murder, I’m just saying that this is sort of a “find out” moment.
Oh yeah, time to start reading up on the American Gilded Age from 1890 to 1920. That didn't go so smoothly either...
if this happened 200 years ago we'd read about him in history books as a classic american hero.
if this happened during the revolutionary period his name would be alongside Washington, Jefferson, and Adams as american patriots that defended the wellbeing of the populace from an oppressive ruling class.
There are some decades where nothing happens, and then there's some days where decades happen...
That's the whole idea ...
Just remember: you can *do* jury nullification but you can't *say* jury nullification.
If you plan on nullifying, you need to keep quiet about it.
insane that so many people don't seem to understand this
Correct. Keep silent. Tell the court yes, you can remain fair and impartial and intend to judge based on the facts. Then, based on the facts that will show his despondency at his and his mother's conditions and their treatment by UHC, you can find him not guilty. You don't need to say anything more, no reasoning, no justification, just not guilty your honor. Once the gavel has come down, then you can tell your story (though I wouldn't admit publicly that you never intended to be open to a guilty verdict as that could then become perjury on you). You can say that based on the evidence presented, you found that the charges were not just.
The number one thing people need to know when dealing with the government side of law is... say it with me now, "Shut The F--- Up!"
If you know you can do jury nullification, and you can be found to have known that you can do jury nullification, then you would also likely be lying during jury selection, as a not so straight forward question on the topic will be given to you.
Also, if you end up with people starting to do jury nullification, you are at that point ruining the entire concept behind a jury, and the justice system, and more than likely, there will be amendments to remove a jury as a requirement.
true but also they will ask you questions where you will have lie if you try to keep quiet about it. If that's worth it for you go ahead
" United for the wealthy and against the poor and sick."- The American Government and Law enforcement
Not sure how the jury is going to take those terrorist charges. I would imagine when people in NYC hear the word terrorist, they think of planes hitting buildings, not some dude shooting somebody.
From what I understand, shootings (of a singular person) are somewhat common in NYC, and as you said, they think of 9/11 when hearing the word terrorism. For many, it might feel like hearing "massive, life changing attack that affects hundreds of people" while talking about a sad but unfortunately common everyday occurence. And if shootings like this are happening all the time but just to poor people, and they don't get attention, then said poor people might feel angered by the hypocrisy of treating it so severely when the same thing happens to a rich person.
@@dangernoodledee111Almost every single person native to NYC have been personally victimized by a homicide where the NYPD has done nothing. This is insulting. New Yorkers know when someone’s spitting in our face so I’m hopeful the jury won’t take any shit.
Yes!
'somebody'
To get a conviction, they'll just need to find jurors who haven't had a bad experience with health insurance or known someone who has....
So it's gonna be a jury of millionaires xD
@@gandalfthegay. the jurors will be people who live in NYC, so... not as difficult as it seems
@@hazardousmaterial5492 batman?
"A jury of your peers"
Do I look like I own a Bentley!?
@@gandalfthegay. The millionaires don't like health insurance either. They still pay every month for their premium insurance, and they also get the run-around. They don't want to pay out of pocket for things they've already paid into more than anyone else. Only difference is that they can afford to pay out of pocket if they have to, and they can afford lawyers that give the insurance company a hard time. But all the same, the millionaires aren't necessarily going to be gentle on these Middle Men any more than anyone else. I mean, they understand the system, they KNOW that these guys are just greedy Middle Men..... IOW, let a few jurors be rich, I don't think it will matter. Unless they're a bad person, CEO, and/or in the health insurance industry.
The fact the CEO (and many other CEOs) wasn't convicted of social murder a thousand times over is just one of many things that clarifies that legal is not ethical.
Because that's not how a murder charge works. Y'all ignorant af
@@shanebodendorf4793 How any charge works depends on the law, and OP is criticizing the law. Do you have literacy?
grand dad
It is the legal system, not the justice system.
That is murder by decision.
He's an accused murderer. That's the worst thing. This definition of terrorism would apply to most murders where the victim and perpetrator don't know each other.
Every crime with a political motivation could technically be terrorism by this definition. I think we all know why this one is being treated so seriously.
It's noteworthy that Mangione's lawyer, KFA, was the deputy DA under Bragg in Manhattan. She knows him very well so it should be interesting to see how this plays out in court.
1. "committed a crime of violence" check
2. "with malice or forethought" check
3. "shows no remorse" check
sounds like [indecipherable] United Health Care
"with malice AFORETHOUGHT" is the phrase you're clearly unfamiliar with
@@dionh70 The overall meaning isn't really changed in either case though, so you are throwing shade just because they aren't a lawyer?
@@kinlerj it’s an eggcorn!
@@kinlerj They could've said it nicer, but it's always good to help educate people
'forethought' check
'aforethought' check
So basically, what you're saying is, the rules are different for rich people. If a poor person is killed and the perpetrator is wealthy, very little if anything will happen, but if the victim is wealthy and the perpetrator is not as wealthy, then the perpetrator will have the book thrown at them immediately. Got it.
Sounds like Hammurabi's Code. Guess we're in the ancient Middle East.
they are making things worse for themselves.
That reminds me of a certain movie that ended with a similar conclusion for the actions of its main character. And just like them, we truly live in a society... (I am not an American, btw, just very interested in America)
Welcome to capitalism! A system for predators, by predators!
It's literally always been this way. Humans don't know how else to rule.
I ordered a poster with his picture and those 3 words to worship. Long live the king.
I rewrote this comment 8 times (and counting) due to censorship
I found that the word being censored is "Hero". I guess youtube or LegalEagle wants me to believe his actions are terrible. They are not. I will not be censored
Sometimes I wonder if the people telling us to sympathize with Brian Thompson realize how insane they sound to us. They're telling families who lost loved ones to Thompson's business decisions to sympathize with their murderer. Absolutely insane.
I have absolutely no sympathy for the guy. But the amount of people who seemingly think murder is justified just because a lot of people don't like someone is absolutely insane. McDonalds is killing countless people because it makes them fat. Does that mean it's okay to start doing drivebys in the drive through lane?
Yup.
Yup
I wonder if you realize how insane you sound calling him a murderer. Like you don’t know what the word means
That’s what they want us to believe if they do it because it’s state/private sponsored murder then it’s ok because it’s just business in their minds.
This is probably the worst thing they could have done. Truly showing us who the laws are made for, and its not for the majority of us.
If you're in New York and eligible to serve on a jury, avoid posting anything on social media in support of Luigi. This ensures you won't be disqualified from potentially serving on his jury. If you believe in him and want to make a real impact, focus on maintaining neutrality online. That way, if you end up on his jury-whether federal or state-you can truly support him through your vote by finding him not guilty.
Yes. People need to be smart about this. Don't be public about having issues with heath care insurance.
I would find him guilty of murder (as he should, since he did it), but not guilty of the terrorism charges. If you can't separate the points in your verdict, then you should vote not guilty, wait for the appeal, and maybe get the case to either drop the terrorism charge and be done again, or have the two charges handled separtely to convict him only of murder.
I'm not sure how this all might go down, but he NEEDS to be punished for the murder, no more, no less.
Creating an example of "murdering someone as long as they are influential enough" is really bad, even though I totally don't cry tears for the CEO at all.
@@christophsiebert1213It isnt murder. It is justice. That CEO was responsible for the deaths of thousands. Also you have probably heard this a lot but Jury Nullification, even if it is against the law the jury can still let him go because they believe it was the right thing.
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They're only slapping him with the federal charges so that they can do the absolute most against him.
The specacle of that perp walk shows the system has already determined his guilt. This is a show trial. Designed from the ground up to put fear into all the uppity poors.
all it will do is sow chaos
Exactly
Exactly!
No. People will fall into line and their programming, they always do. They’ll forget about this Luigi kid and go back to their bread and circuses.
Yep. As soon as they "caught hin" people were talking as if it was a done deal. People are programmed to accept whatever they're told.
But some, perhaps, may seek to emulate his actions. We can only... uh... wait and see.
Feds did not mention his statement about his mom suffering from excruciating pain/neuropathy due to insurance delays.
Luigi himself also has spondylolisthesis; a potentially debilitating and degenerative spinal injury/condition. As someone with multiple spinal problems, most if not all of them being genetic, I can attest to the pain he was in all the time and the sleeplessness he claims. When your spine is injured every single aspect of your life suffers. Each day is filled with uncertainty. As a young person this stress is even higher; you face each day knowing that as you get older, your condition will just get worse. You also deal with strangers and doctors alike telling you you're too young to have x problem with your body, and that "you don't LOOK disabled".
"Will I be able to walk today? Will the things I need to do to survive cause a flare up that means I won't be able to walk tomorrow, and the day after- possibly the whole week? Will my left arm be normal, or will I struggle to even hold my car keys? How many drugs do I need to take to sleep through the pain tonight- will they even work, or will I just be awake and inebriated?"
Him and his mother both suffered, and as someone who suffers- it can be hard to ignore when there are thousands upon thousands of people like you, suffering for the same reasons. He was just the first of us to snap and act on the rage and hopelessness.
@@dormantlime215 Also, he had surgery with pins, which helps in the meantime, but I wonder if it is similar to the stabilization done for lumbar scoliosis, which can lead to adjacent segment disease and issues with the sacrum/sacroiliac joint. I've also had issues with my piriformis/sciatic nerve, and mild scoliosis, and have had periods of time I couldn't walk. In my early 20s. It's really scary.
@@dormantlime215can it be cured?
For anyone here asking why this guy needed a huge escort. Authorities were worried that Americans would try to rescue him.
The only reasonable excuse for that circus display. Although I don't think that's it. It was just a parade for their "accomplishment" and an example for other people. Don't know what that dumbass mayor ( who should be in jail ) had to do with anything, other than a lame attempt at PR and "tough on crime" BS.
Then why was the mayor there? If it's about security, they have many other methods of transport: a "perp walk" is a display of power/control for the cops, that's it.
This "oh we absolutely had to march this guy around in front of cameras with a huge escort b/c people like him" line is nothing more than an attempt to shame people whom aren't baying for this guy's immediate execution. Look at all the breathless news articles talking about "his fans like him b/c he's hot" or "people are supporting him like he's a serial killer": same shit.
This actually reminds me of the George Zimmerman - Trayvon Martin case where the prosecution had an easy manslaughter conviction but they really wanted it to be a murder charge and the result was an acquittal because they couldn't meet the requirements to prove murder.
I like how pissed lawyers become when someone takes their idea of justice into their own hands, as though this fella should've filed a formal complaint and then drank a glass of water to wash it down
'Why didn't you just talk with us?'
"We did, you just ignored it."
'Well, why didn't you just lobby?'
"We did, the government ignored us and took bribes from you and people like you."
'Well, why didn't you just protest in a civil manner?'
"We did and police assaulted us for it."
'Well, you should of just laid there and took it.'
"Why didn't you just treat us fairly to begin with?"
'We gave you what you deserve.'
"Well, I guess you could say we did the same."
That's worse than wrong with Devin and the other lawyer. They were incredibly stoic, and the actual New York Criminal Prosecution Lawyer (not you) said it would be really difficult, nearly calling it irresponsible, to prosecute these charges. Not exactly champing at the bit to get a conviction.
5:06 Polish attorney here. But the article says about making impact on GOVERNMENT policies. Practices of insurers and their internal regulations are not country's legislation.
They said the quiet part out loud.
Government policy is one example, but not the only example. "Intent to intimidate or coerce a civilian population" is another. Any of them could fit the bill.
Even today, there is some limited control/regulation that the US government exerts over the health insurance industry. The "previous conditions" clause of the Affordable Care Act is one example.
Terror charges are very difficult. That's why the Boston bombers didn't get terror charges. It would've hurt chances of conviction.
They are in America, since brib--i mean "lobbying" determines policy
So... how about a video on jury nullification? Seems like something a lot of folks are interested in at the moment for no particular reason
I reject the assertion that they have video of Luigi committing this crime. They have video of someone committing the crime, but that video doesn't positively identify Luigi IMHO.
"I cannot imagine a situation where a parole board would say Luigi Mangione appears to have understood that what he did was wrong"
Well of course not. What he did wasn't wrong. It was illegal. Not the same thing.
While his "victim" was indeed a bad person, and I can shed no tears for him, what lugui did is very wrong. I fully understand the anger, and something very much has to change. But vigilante justice is never the way. It far more often then not only hurts the cause you think you are helping.
Perfect use case for jury nullification
@zogar8526
Vigilante justice is never the way? Then what is? Things would keep getting worse, and people would keep dying and suffering, while those responsible wouldn't be held accountable.
You think it wasn't wrong? Who are you people?
@@sidbid1590 calling your justice system functional and fair is hilarious when they gave a criminal with 60 or so charges a pass to run for president, anyone even suspected of these things should not be in a position of power.
It's interesting. In the OJ trial (which Ive seen a lot of people compare this to), he got off because of who the perp and prosecution were. If Luigi gets off, it's because of who the victim was.
OJ got off because the prosecution did some silly stuff such as asking for OJ put on the gloves, resulting in the famous "if the gloves dont fit, you must acquit" phrase plus the cop who found the gloves commit perjury all of which increased the doubt that OJ did it.
@@mattm8870 they framed a guilty man. Who does that
@@RyouShi98wait. What.
No wonder he was acquitted
@@RyouShi98 They didn't frame him.
@@RyouShi98 he was guilty. he even wrote a book called 'If I did it'. Some of the jury said he got off as revenge for Rodney King.
I think it’s ironic that all the criteria he gives for murder one and a bad person for parol can also be checked off in relation to the CEOs behavior with managing United Health
bingo.
we have a winner
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I was looking for a comment like this. Hit the nail on the head my guy
sleep not well, eat not well, all my mind is about Luigi. don't want to go to work. free Luigi.
Luigi knew all this would happen. He let himself be found with the notebook, the manifesto. Everything.
All this is part of his intentions.
Stunning patriotism.
I think he know the kind of shitstorm his trial will bring. A guilty verdict will result in a lot more spontanious acts of class solidarity
Or he might have been framed. They needed to pin it on *someone*, can't let the people think that you can get away with killing a CEO.
It's what the trial will decide, I suppose.
1st degree unal obles
2nd degree unal proles
Salute to patriot
Luigi didn't do it. I saw Elon musk on that video.
I am honestly believing this. 💚
Objection! Mitchell is treating Luigi as the killer rather than giving him the presumption of innocence. Saying things like “we have him on video”, but the video does not clearly show it is Luigi.
That's what I'm confused about. Aren't these people lawyers? Why is everybody ignoring innocent until proven guilty?
@@matthewlove4082 Sure, but they aren't _his_ lawyers or the judge. Also, cmon really? From the sounds of it, Luigi just about wrote 'hey, I'm going to murder the CEO of United Health for this specific, premeditated reason', as well as presumably having no alibi for the time of the event, and I'm imagine evidence of him leaving New York immediately after the murder. They wouldn't just pick up a random dude in McDonalds in another state on nothing.
I've got as much sympathy for him as the next person, but the evidence that he did it is almost certainly overwhelming.
Agreed. It's unprofessional.
@@merrymachiavelli2041Almost too overwhelming
@@merrymachiavelli2041 All circumstantial, even the video. It looks slam dunk but his attorney is going to take all that apart with a tweezer.
Charging him with a crime they probably can't convict him of just for the headline REEEEEEEKS
This is truly an abuse of power on the highest level
The conspiracy that the government is getting ready to bump it upwards to the Federal level....
Putting a charge like that into the headline gets people ready for the act, so they don't question morality.
Ask a New Yorker, the so-called "Democratic" leaders are woefully out of touch. They think because it's obvious anyone who threatens the rich is a terrorist, they're going to have problems when they go to select a Jury. They will absolutely try to lean hard on him to plea, and expect some beatings and abuse that get blamed on him or something.
Especially when they're holding him without bail, which is essentially assuming guilt
It's not like Alvin Bragg, made famous by his prosecution of Donald Trump, was ever in it for the headlines, right?
CEO's are shaking in their boots as they should be.
And this is precisely my legal question: how large a group of the public needs to be terrorised for a politically-motivated murder to qualify as terrorism? The video skirted around this issue, and I still don't fully understand the answer.
I like how the government labels someone who is essentially a national hero as a "terrorist" just because he represents what they fear most: us.
He is NOT a Hero Muppet
@JohnDoe-k8p Heroes aren't real, they are just flawed human beings who happen to do what is needed when it's needed. It seems a lot of folks think this guy fits that definition :/
Welcome to capitalism!
Ninety-nine percent us and 1% them.
@JohnDoe-k8p He's a hero to people better than you. It's funny that you try to insult people by calling them Muppets because if I called you a Muppet it would be a compliment.
Terrorism has been so diluted in its meaning literally anyone could be charged with it as part of a crime.
But his acts fit the definition that's been used for decades perfectly...?
That's the point. If Luigi is the shooter, and that is a big IF still, it is not political change but corporate change that he intended to inflict if any change was intended and it wasn't just personal. Either the government will admit that megacorps are the government or the terrorism charge will be lost.
@@HALLish-jl5mo No? He did not intimidated public or government. If some CEOs become scared, well, it's their problem. May be try not to make money on expense of sick people then?
Authoritarianism at its early stages. Anything that is critical to the ruling elite is terrorism.
@@alexeyf1795Oh, but he did, and this entire theatre show on his arrest and charges is proof. I haven't seen the government treat some like this since the days of Abu Ghraib.
Luigi committed the ultimate crime in the US: decreasing shareholder value. And they want to make him pay to set an example.
UHC's stock price didn't even go down that day, which was kind of wild.