I got up to almost 3k on my first run with a casino and had no idea how much money that was and gambled it all away 5 hours of playing later I was kicking myself for that decision
I normally like metta progression but this is one of the times I’ll agree with olexa. This game doesn’t need that. I think the metta progression to unlock new units is fine but it would be better if it was locked behind challenges instead of currency.
As a dev, I think the idea with the meta progression is you want it to not feel like a total waste of time if you lose a run. But I agree with you here Olexa that the ideal would be less: meta unlocks make the game more fun, and more: meta unlocks give the games different modes/styles to try. Great review!
Personally I really love Meta Progression. I'm not very good at video games so I really like the artificial progress feeling of just making the game gradually easier. I think the best option would be to go the ballatro route and just let you hit a button to unlock everything immediately. That way if you don't like progression you can skip it and I can enjoy my little dopamine drip.
I don’t really get this though? It’s not the game gradually getting easier. It’s the game literally gating you from winning. You’re not bad at videogames, you’re playing games that don’t want you to win.
@@OlexaYT - All the good feelings of getting better, without the actual effort of getting better... Number goes up! Just to put how strong this is psychologically into context, the American Dream is a promise of meta progression. Just show up to work every day for 30 years, and you'll just keep doing better until it gets so easy that you don't even have to work anymore.
@@OlexaYT Yeah, thats very good point. Olenky, in the past you made me realize how much i hate meta progression :v Games without meta progression can be hard. But games without meta progression can be IMPOSSIBLE at the beggining and TRIVIAL in the end, not exactly my idea of fun challenge. Meta progression to unlock different gamemodes, characters, etc is fine tho (imho). Gives you a goal to pursuit thats more meaningfull than "big number"
Meta progression to unlock new content = great Meta progression to unlock new abilities and give choices (tiny rogues) = great Meta progression to unlock stats needed to win the game = garbo
@@OlexaYT Yeah but when I play games that don't do that I lose, so it's both. @KulegaRychaI want it to slowly go from impossible in the beginning to trivial at the end. That way at the moment I beat it, it's exactly hard enough for me, and then when I do the rest of the meta progression I feel like I'm a god. It's like the fun of going back to early areas in an rpg and oneshotting stuff just so you can feel your wheaties. I'm not looking for a challenge I'm looking for a hit of dopamine.
Yeah this game needs a core design rework. Something about getting a card after every turn (while it is engaging as you can shape your build after every turn) promotes very slow play. And the system of radial buffs encouraging spreading out vs the automatic combining of the units reducing your spread seems unenjoyable. I love gambling machine auto battler roguelikes and I hope this one can be good on release bc it seems cool, but I feel it has to fix some parts of the structure to be worth getting into
Wolves bears and druid all the way.. Plus some chicken coops to get more bears and wolves faster.. And ideally the auto merge artifact, even better if you can upgrade it to max level
Pretty fun game! I wasted like 5 hours on the demo yesterday.. 5 of which were "one last game then I'm going to bed" My favourite artifact is by far the auto merge one, especially if you can upgrade it.. But even at level 1 it's amazing (even more if you can get it early) I'm a big fan of the druid/wolf/bear/nature tiles.. And the chicken coop to make everything spawn more stuff faster
you can break the game when you delete all units at the beginn and than spam shilds in the first fight because in the first fight the damage dont goes up and you can chose every singel turn another shild :D
its fun to see how the game has anti scaling. The more dmg you deal the less card you take 27:35 I think shapeshiter is much better here. He could copy high tier unit right?
Meta progression is one of the more fun things about video games. It gives it replayability instead of just having everything unlocked and there being nothing to do after that. I find games without it just straight up boring and have nothing to look forward to.
@@tbrxg1ddlestbr77 The shapeshifter could use clarifying text then. Like the Airdrop does. Other cards specify "of the same level" shapeshifter does not
until you have all the decks open and you really know whats up you really do NOT want the whole board open. early game its an instant loss most of the time.
If anyone even reads this, just pointing out that I love what Balatro did with meta progression. Just put an "unlock all" button in the settings for people who don't care for that.
I'm dying: nuhn·joot·soo. Som'in to know: if a vowel is alone (like Ninjutsu), it "says" it's name. Like u has the oo sound, so you can look at Tsumugi and know each u sounds the same (soo moo) while the i is ee (like see). Only a few rare instances where it doesn't, like nin here doing nuhn.
@@OlexaYT for sure! But its just a matter of adding more pvp'ish upgrade choices, i'm a sucker for laidback autobattlers like this, i already play TFT for quite some time and its pure luck and choices just like this
Absolutely disagree on metaprogression btw, that's the best part of the game. It would get boring after a few runs otherwise. I like to have more fun spread out over time rather than a big batch of fun all at once.
It’s not a long game though… you’re literally just being forced to lose repeatedly. You can play the game the same amount of time, it’s an infinite roguelike… why are you obsessed with getting taken advantage of by the developer?
It pained me to see him continue to gamble after hitting over 800 gold😭 (I would've done the same)
I got up to almost 3k on my first run with a casino and had no idea how much money that was and gambled it all away 5 hours of playing later I was kicking myself for that decision
downloaded the game right after the vid got up to like 2k gold and lost it all. lol
I was like "oh cool he won big, now he'll walk away and then *proceeds to brick*
ooooh hes like my friend. welp...
Worked out it was a pure Shield meta -proceeded to not take shields
olexa in a nutshell :
-I've worked out how this works.
[proceeds to do the opposite]
@@satibel I played the demo and it was kinda weird how you have to keep takin the tiny shields but there are camps to passively build up your attack.
I normally like metta progression but this is one of the times I’ll agree with olexa. This game doesn’t need that. I think the metta progression to unlock new units is fine but it would be better if it was locked behind challenges instead of currency.
Yeah and like they straight up inflated the difficulty just to make the meta progression more appealing
But it just makes the game frustrating
Dear dev, add more heroes with their own decks. This could be awesome, like orcs, undead, different alternative versions of human etc
As a dev, I think the idea with the meta progression is you want it to not feel like a total waste of time if you lose a run. But I agree with you here Olexa that the ideal would be less: meta unlocks make the game more fun, and more: meta unlocks give the games different modes/styles to try.
Great review!
He healed for 1hp from that relic as opposed to blocking 2 damage every turn.
Yes, this relic is very weak.
It looked like it would be a big burst heal, giving 1 every 10 damage, or at least every 10 damage hit from a unit.. But nope, just 1/turn. Trash.
Yeah it did not do what i thought it would do unfortunately
@@OlexaYT to be fair, I too kinda expected it to heal 1 per unit with 10 or more
That would be logical based on its wording haha
Personally I really love Meta Progression. I'm not very good at video games so I really like the artificial progress feeling of just making the game gradually easier.
I think the best option would be to go the ballatro route and just let you hit a button to unlock everything immediately. That way if you don't like progression you can skip it and I can enjoy my little dopamine drip.
I don’t really get this though? It’s not the game gradually getting easier. It’s the game literally gating you from winning. You’re not bad at videogames, you’re playing games that don’t want you to win.
@@OlexaYT - All the good feelings of getting better, without the actual effort of getting better... Number goes up!
Just to put how strong this is psychologically into context, the American Dream is a promise of meta progression. Just show up to work every day for 30 years, and you'll just keep doing better until it gets so easy that you don't even have to work anymore.
@@OlexaYT Yeah, thats very good point. Olenky, in the past you made me realize how much i hate meta progression :v
Games without meta progression can be hard. But games without meta progression can be IMPOSSIBLE at the beggining and TRIVIAL in the end, not exactly my idea of fun challenge.
Meta progression to unlock different gamemodes, characters, etc is fine tho (imho). Gives you a goal to pursuit thats more meaningfull than "big number"
Meta progression to unlock new content = great
Meta progression to unlock new abilities and give choices (tiny rogues) = great
Meta progression to unlock stats needed to win the game = garbo
@@OlexaYT Yeah but when I play games that don't do that I lose, so it's both.
@KulegaRychaI want it to slowly go from impossible in the beginning to trivial at the end. That way at the moment I beat it, it's exactly hard enough for me, and then when I do the rest of the meta progression I feel like I'm a god. It's like the fun of going back to early areas in an rpg and oneshotting stuff just so you can feel your wheaties.
I'm not looking for a challenge I'm looking for a hit of dopamine.
I love your idea @ 17:43 That would be such a fun extra mechanic for this genre.
Yeah this game needs a core design rework. Something about getting a card after every turn (while it is engaging as you can shape your build after every turn) promotes very slow play. And the system of radial buffs encouraging spreading out vs the automatic combining of the units reducing your spread seems unenjoyable. I love gambling machine auto battler roguelikes and I hope this one can be good on release bc it seems cool, but I feel it has to fix some parts of the structure to be worth getting into
The ninjas machine-gunning the enemy has a good feel - although playing it at 2x speed is even better.
Hear nin jutt-su pained my soul every time
Wake up honey, a new rogue machine slotlike just dropped!
*sighs* This is the fifteen time a new rouge machine slotslike has dropped
(jokes aside, I love 'em)
my favourite combo is
"fan of wolves" artifact
+ a lot of wolves
+ master of ninjutsu
it can get over 1 million damage per turn
Wolves bears and druid all the way.. Plus some chicken coops to get more bears and wolves faster.. And ideally the auto merge artifact, even better if you can upgrade it to max level
@@stone5against1 you NEED a master of ninjutsu, instead of dealing 2 damage per hit, it does 11k per hit
I want more slotmaschine rogue lites
Love that kinda games
Pretty fun game! I wasted like 5 hours on the demo yesterday.. 5 of which were "one last game then I'm going to bed"
My favourite artifact is by far the auto merge one, especially if you can upgrade it.. But even at level 1 it's amazing (even more if you can get it early)
I'm a big fan of the druid/wolf/bear/nature tiles.. And the chicken coop to make everything spawn more stuff faster
MORE CUBE CHAOS
Maybe another dabble in Cube Chaos once Lingo is over?
More of this please, even if its in demo the game is super fun
you can break the game when you delete all units at the beginn and than spam shilds in the first fight because in the first fight the damage dont goes up and you can chose every singel turn another shild :D
This looks super fun, deffo going on the wishlist.
need more of this big dawg game is so tuff
anything that has the world "merge" in it is my favorite game
its fun to see how the game has anti scaling. The more dmg you deal the less card you take
27:35 I think shapeshiter is much better here. He could copy high tier unit right?
Wdym the demo's still there? I do the same thing on Next Fest and now got a bunch of demons that say "error: no license"
I hate the meta. But watching those ninja pop off like popcorn was awesomely satisfying. Would love to see this again when it's 1.0
@Olexa meta progression in this game is fine, he just needs to lock it until AFTER all the content is unlocked. Or use different currency for it.
Or, hear me out, completely remove it
Not upgrading the crit ninja passive was devastating, I was screaming, you should have at the very least looked at what the upgraded version gives
I feel like you whiffed on the shapeshifter meta. That's how you're going to get upgraded units without building them late game.
Developing a new, pretty spicy roguelike right now and can't wait to show you hehe :)
This thing is not bad... I play the demo too!!
Looks good/interesting!
Meta progression is one of the more fun things about video games. It gives it replayability instead of just having everything unlocked and there being nothing to do after that. I find games without it just straight up boring and have nothing to look forward to.
You can make replayability with stat based meta progression. Encourage your player to win instead of forcing them to lose.
fun game, can't figure out what honey does though
41:35 could just cheat for the shells to unlock all the items or everything, etc
10:30 That Attack Healing really should have healed 1 for EVERY 10 dmg dealt, but you only got 1 each turn. Seems like a bug to me.
The damage contribution chart threw me off at the start. I thought it's chances to pick an attack or smth
Any plans to play the new Zelda roguelike
This game definitely needs some balance changes. Fun looking game though.
Did the lingo live steam happen? I don’t see a vod 😢
It did. Its currently under members only atm. (saw it in related videos)
The stream will be uploaded as a video this week
Love the content
if it was a match3 game I would instantly put it on my wishlist
I tried this game, it starts hella easy, then everything goes downhill extremely fast!
It’s almost like the game doesn’t want you to win!
Nice art style
Doesn't the shapeshifter have the ability to copy your big things into another big thing? Shouldn't you take it more late game?
It copy’s at the rank of the shapeshifter
@@tbrxg1ddlestbr77 The shapeshifter could use clarifying text then. Like the Airdrop does. Other cards specify "of the same level" shapeshifter does not
@@Spikeba11I guess it should but why would the rarity matter at all if it copied the rank and card should be self explanatory.
The "an merging" in the title tilted me a little
Oops my bad. I had the title as emerging twist as a play on words but thought it was better to just say merging. Fixed now
Don't understand why you didn't upgrade the ninja camp to epic
I just wanted him to pick the scroll man
MOAR
Can you not kill enemy and just get shields every turn?
You can but enemies scale up their damage as the fight continues. I don’t think it’d be possible to only get shields and outpace them
until you have all the decks open and you really know whats up you really do NOT want the whole board open.
early game its an instant loss most of the time.
Oh no, please tell me that you can't just buy +24 cells from the meta D:
You can just buy 24 cells from the meta haha
i miss luck be a landlord content!!
rogues are my ceritonight
he failed to see the trashcan in the top right of the deck menu that allows you to delete units...
GAMBLING
clash of clans players everytime he touched something be like 💀💀
If anyone even reads this, just pointing out that I love what Balatro did with meta progression. Just put an "unlock all" button in the settings for people who don't care for that.
Agreed. It’s the correct way to do things
gambling roguelike is not something i thought i would see in 2024
Name is Tyler?
Downloaded demo
I'm dying: nuhn·joot·soo. Som'in to know: if a vowel is alone (like Ninjutsu), it "says" it's name. Like u has the oo sound, so you can look at Tsumugi and know each u sounds the same (soo moo) while the i is ee (like see). Only a few rare instances where it doesn't, like nin here doing nuhn.
@OlexaYT needs to calm down! Yet another game I really hope comes to mobile!
Isn’t this a roguelite cus it has meta progression?
If you follow that definition yeah. I don’t really follow the roguelike roguelite terminology bc nobody agrees on it
Phoenix did not resurrect after death... game dev fail...
i would like to play if they get rid of meta
Ye the meta progression is just artificial playtime and is heavily holding this game back
I know he wants to win a run but there's no way to win a run when it says endless mode.
Poor game design if it’s just endless imo
imagine this but online pvp!
Nah it wouldn’t work tbh. You’d need to provide a lot more choices to players
@@OlexaYT for sure! But its just a matter of adding more pvp'ish upgrade choices, i'm a sucker for laidback autobattlers like this, i already play TFT for quite some time and its pure luck and choices just like this
hi Olexa
when is the next stream
i m gona make a comment like this one after every stream (or every 2 to 3 weeks)
I currently have no clue when I’ll stream next. Probably next Tuesday
this game is so dull i just tried it..
321st😂
Absolutely disagree on metaprogression btw, that's the best part of the game. It would get boring after a few runs otherwise. I like to have more fun spread out over time rather than a big batch of fun all at once.
That’s like saying “I really like losing 50 times before winning”. Wouldn’t you rather, idk, win?
Do not listen to him dev. We want what youtubers hate a long game/long play time. So the gamers love meta progression.
It’s not a long game though… you’re literally just being forced to lose repeatedly. You can play the game the same amount of time, it’s an infinite roguelike… why are you obsessed with getting taken advantage of by the developer?
First !