It’s also because every character is supposed to be lore accurate and Yaj is far from that… 💯 in the anime, he was never invincible, and I don’t ever remember him flying or teleporting either.😂 never would I have thought he’d be top Meta💯
I didnt think much of it when i got my ass whooped by someone running Yajirobe when the game first launched and now seeing i was scammed it dont hurt as bad
Anyone who says that they genuinely enjoyed playing him, but dropped him now, straight up just lying. He got the most fair nerf in nerfing history. 2 and a half health bar is still very generous for a 2 DP character, he just requires more skill to build enough skill counter.
Dude had a 36% pick rate in Z- rank. This reminds me of the Android 16 situation in Fighterz where he was broken in season 1 and every team had him, then when he got balanced, all these “i’ve always been an Android 16 fan” folks dropped off the face of the planet and picked up GT Goku instead 😭
Personally, I don't care if the game is tightly balanced nor do I care who the top tier are in terms of Dragon Ball Lore (tm), so I'm not sure I fit into either camp you describe, but there is a pretty simple thing I want to be true of the game: I want it to be fun. I think that nerfing/reworking strategies/mechanics/abilities that are clearly negatively affecting the player experience across all skill levels is the proper point of priority for adjustments, and changing Yajirobe clearly fits the bill. Hope that continues to be the focus going forward.
I think that's what alot of people don't realize. People say "oh you're only complaining because you're bad" when it's negatively affecting player experience of ALL skill levels. These are the same people who were running Yajirobe who were upset that he got nerfed, I guarantee you.
Hard agree, I love an unbalanced game but only if it manages to be fun. Getting stalled out is way less fun than getting cooked by a cracked super vegito
Yeah basically this shit was completely unfun to play against especially when youre running into it every single match unbalanced is fine but not if its so unfun it starts pushing people away from playing the game at all
When the game first came out and everyone was using SSJ4 Gogeta, I thought maybe a lot of people DID watch GT as a kid. But now that the meta is super vegito, that’s all I see now in single battles. Proves that people don’t actually like the characters they play, they just wanna win.
Yh, that’s 60% of characters I see online are the 10dp ones. I love playing base broly and powering up slowly and transforming during the fight like the anime; but base broly just can’t hang with gogeta blue or ssj4 or ui. So I have stooped and now I start with rage in singles. I wish they matched us with oppenents close to our dp
Senzu beans are supposed to keep you full for 10 days anyways so spamming them wouldn't be possible and the most canonical nerf would be giving him a 1 time use
Well I’m not sure how many he ate in DB. Would be funny AF if they made him collapse in game the same way as he did in DB with his stomach blowing up after eating a certain amount.
the same dudes talking bout "not being able to beat yajirobe is a skill issue" were the same people crying because they cant abuse senzu beans. maybe the real skill issue is you not being able to win a game to save your life without relying on the cheesiest character in the game
I destroy you with saibaiman 😂😂😂😂😂 i'm going to enjoy seeing the sissy like you born in 2015 cry on youtube this week "Pleeeaz 😢😢😢 nerf saibaimaaan.. i'm just a sissy with skill issue.... i can't wiiin hannnnnnnnnnn "
People need to realize that when Bamco says “this game is intentionally unbalanced” they mean shit like SSJ4 Gogeta has a significant stat advantage over characters like Hercule and Guldo. Not “this is a lawless jungle with no regard to how cracked any skills might be”. With that said I hope they reintroduce ki sickness at some point or at the very least nerf other skills like Full Power and afterimage strike
“Ki sickness” lmaoo is that what it was always called? I know of some certain TH-camrs who call it that but I don’t remember that being the official name 🤣🤣 Jokes aside, doesn’t full power only give you 5 ki bars? I know it does for Vegito when I used him a few times. And the status effects not being a thing is definitely what’s missing from the game. Kinda weird how those weren’t already implemented since this is supposedly supposed to be the next installment in the Sparking! series so 🤷🏽♂️
Right, talkin bout some “Yajirobe has always been my main goat!” GTF outta here 😂 this man’s play rate in singles is legit 0.14%, and on the character leaderboards, there is ONE Yaj player with over 150 wins, and his name is quite literally “TheGreatYajirobe” bro is the only actual Yaj fan on the planet 😭. People played him in DP because he has the highest value and was crucial in stalling with senzu, its really simple as that. His play rate in DP battles is astronomically higher for these reasons alone.
Right? Everything I heard about this game from anybody was Yajirobe, because he was so ubiquitous, because he was such a cheap "I win" button. That's not about 'competitive-level balance,' that's about 'nobody wants to play Yajirobe Stall Simulator 2024 and the game will fucking die"
I’ve never played yaji and I still think nerfing him is bs ya just have a massive skill issue and if they change him they have to change other characters aswell lol get better trash can
I don’t think people understand how big of a fix classic controls being bugged is, it was one of the biggest issues that was kinda overshadowed by ranked cheese gripes. I’m enjoying the game so much more based on that fix alone. Had me actually feeling like Future Gohan before, only able to use half my options.
Just so people are aware. Yajirobe had 4 health bars and has been reduced to 3 and 1/2. This can be easily tested in Training mode, just attack Yajirobe and count how many heal bars you have to remove before he dies. You'll count to 3 bars removed and he'll still be standing with half a bar. The statement of him going from 3 bars down to 2 and a 1/2 is incorrect.
The problem with saying that the game shouldn't be balanced and therefore shouldn't get adjustments at all, it ignores one crucial thing: Ranked online play is now a thing, and the only way to match up players of similar skill level is for them to progress (or fail to progress) their rank. If nothing ever got adjustments, it would be an endless cesspool of broken and unbalanced BS. It would decimate the player base until only a handful of rotating casual players, players who organize small community events, and people playing with their friends would be left. You'd have to just remove ranked mode from the game entirely, which would also kill the online presence and make finding good opponents for your own skill level impractical. It doesn't help that the game's AI is just not engaging to play against past learning basic game mechanics either - I can't see myself doing offline mode for fun ever again now that I've done each of the tournament styles once.
you crashing out at 14:00 going into the game, and 15:02 is so hilarious, i completely agree and feel the same way, it makes NO SENSE for him to have been as strong as he was no matter what your perspective of balance as lotus said, and all the people throwing a fit just show that they can only win by cheesing with him.
"Esports games are understood to be the sort of game in which players can enjoy highly competitive battles where the character are balanced in a fair way. On the other hand, Sparking! ZERO’s focus is on immersion, and we wanted to make it a game that people who like Dragon Ball even a little will surely enjoy. We value the Dragon Ball experience more than the esports experience. For example, I think Gogeta is known for being super strong, and we made him very strong in the game. Characters like Mr. Satan who tend to have a tough time in the story are also likely to struggle in-game. Making characters who are strong in the source material feel overwhelmingly strong in the game is another way we hope to deepen the Dragon Ball experience for players. So, Sparking! ZERO is not like an esports game, but it’s not like a party game either….err, I guess you could say it’s a Dragon Ball game? (laughs). I’d like to settle on this. However, we have implemented a cost system called DP, in which each character has a predetermined cost - this makes it so that the combined strength of all the characters on each team is aligned and players get to enjoy fair battles." ~ Furutani (the producer of Dragon Ball Sparking! ZERO). NO WHERE does this say the game wouldn't get patches or balanced but that it'd be balanced around the immersion of dragon ball.
My two suggestions against stalling 1. More characters would increase the cooldown to switch 2. Timeout is based who did the most damage, not who has the most health Feel free to reply to this with suggestions (that aren't toxic if possible)
I agree with the first point. If a player has the full team queued, it makes sense that their tag-out timer takes longer to kick-in. There might also be a way to make it so that tag-outs drain sparking meter on exit so that either the same character can't tag back with a carryover, or that the player needs sparking stored to initiate the tag-out. Timeout based on damage makes sense too. Stalling to stay alive or tag out is fine in some cases, but it shouldn't be the deciding factor for the match. There may also be a way to have it so that KOs count above damage too. This is overall something tricky to implement due to how asymetrical team setups can be with DP scores and the number of fighters. Other ideas that come to mind: Sudden death where each character can KO to one hit, I'll let the community decide what the conditions to trigger that are since I'm not experienced with ranked mode Characters with the ability to heal have a limited-use case **during a ranked match**. Ranking should come down to skill, not the ability to use the Joestar Secret Technique. They can only redeem their healing factor ONCE during a ranked match. Player match remains unaffected. Capsule in the shop that restricts everyone's ability to tag out OR prevents healing while you're on the field. This'll prompt the enemy to throw hands if they see they can't heal and they wanna be cheesy.
Whoops got the points mixed up Nope its your team overall health. Which is why having hercule can be such a crutch to have in the pocket. Never have him out, but still have the health lead
I'm personally of the stance that just because the game isn't competitive doesn't mean it must therefore be unbalanced. Not to mention that people can 100% play this game competitively if they want anyways, and many will.
Yeah, try to talk about how supercounters are actually kind of OP at high ranks and watch the world burn..... I don't even get why this game shouldn't be competitive, I mean, for casual matches you have unranked, all fine. Competitivity will actually make it last and talk about it. I do think they really have solid foundations to make it last for years to come (except for super counters). This game could really surpass other fighting games in my opinion and make the arena fighters an actual good thing.
I heavily agree with that Master Roshi comment especially considering he got invited to ToP, he honestly should be stronger if we're going from a lore standpoint, at the very least equal to the other humans
@@Skibidiligma47578 I don’t mind the health. I thought he had two bars in bt3. Another skill counter is crazy. Especially when insta spark and afterimage (the mechanics actually making the game not fun) cost 3
Tbh the way i have fun with this game, is by putting myself into my chosen characters shoes. So if im up against Gero for as annoying as his grab and heal / armor gimmick is. I just tell myself if this were to actually happen, this is what it'd be like. It becomes fun that way ngl 😂
Fighting Yajirobe for 600 seconds was ridiculous asf Hopefully they do something about after image too the only people i lose to are after image spam and yajirobe
Thing is Senzu bean is a full health restore, so if Yajirobe has health items, he practically resets. Regeneration and Sleep is like a 20% restore which can easily get blasted away in one Super/Ult.
@@Anegor He's still a demon with items on. You can equip all the health items and give him 4 bars of health (You'll get them back with Senzu Bean). Plus you can give him Secret Measures for an extra skill count at the start of battle. Keeping pre-nerf Yajirobe in mind he was a monster with items on with a full heal and buffs to iron out his weaknesses. Victory Power (V-Jump exclusive) increases his blast and ultimate blast power as well.
I'm 30 years old and been a fan of Dragonball since I was like 7. And I can honestly say I have NEVER heard anyone care about Yajirobe this much. It's barely even a nerf. If anything it sounds like a bug fix. He had 3 bars of health and started the battle with 2 skill points. The math was not mathing. 😂
Androids are a hard counter to yajirobe. I always keep one in my lineup to counter the cheese. Just cant let them breathe. Be like a swarm of bees and they cant heal
I strongly agree that Yajirobe being nerfed was such a right choice to make. There is nothing more frustrating than losing to Yajirobe cause, you know that player is not actually good at the game
Its even more sad when a player says thish becuse it shows you werent good at fighting that type of player the story mode littarly teaches you how to body oppents with its what ifs in 1 min if not 2 heck you only need a min to kill bean daddy so you saying thish shows you didnt know how to defend or rush bean daddy so you can stop him from poping a bean got to get better buddy
@@dogfighterzssjb3182 Have you actually played the game? Cause the story mode never TEACHES YOU HOW TO KILL SOMEBODY WHO'S JUST RUNNING AWAY. Or somebody who can heal within two seconds. You need a minute to kill yajirobe? Really? You haven't played the game pre-patch then. Cause let me tell you something, it's super easy to run away, knock you back, sensu bean, and repeat. Even if you rush them, at some point you have to knock them away, or let them fall out of your combo. Or they do the perfect counter. And if they do that had have 5 skill points, sensu bean, back to full, have to repeat everything again. There is a problem when YAJIROBE is top of the damn leaderboard. Like this guy said "I didn't know Yajirobe had so many fanboys" (P.S. Yajirobe is used on TEAMS. Yajirobe cost only 2 DP. So the time limit is already near it's end when you have to fight him. So stalling with yajirobe works way better, since the timelimit is already near it's end. They win by timeout. Cause they run away, and knock you back and then sensu. You would know this works if you actually played the game)
The thing is even if you beat degen stalling strategies you still wind up not having fun + going to time when you could be playing more games. I also want Afterimage Strike to get slightly nerfed for a similar reason, I just wish it costed 4 on certain characters.
Man I just hope they see the success with this game and cave in and give us cross play. I ended up buying the game on Xbox knowing it would have the lowest player base but still wanted to because I prefer the controller. Current issues aside with servers this game deserves to have as much longevity across all platforms as possible. Really hope they find it worthwhile to add it.
Your Xbox controller connects to your PC via Bluetooth. If you don't have a Bluetooth via motherboard you can buy Bluetooth dongle for $15 and play using your controller. But yea cross play would be nice as a long as they ban hacks/cheats
7:05 Even party games need a lil balance. One strategy being so dominant that it makes 80% of people use it isn't fun. Games at the end of the day are supposed to be fun. The changes were needed.
Thank you!!!!! I haven't even played online, just against PC so far and the controls feel so bad. feels like it has serious trouble registering my button presses. For a game that relies on fast reflexes and combos, this is really unfortunate.
I personally think, that people who complain that a game "Shouldn't be balanced, unless it's meant to be competitive." have 0 understanding of fundamental Game Design Philosophy. In any game, regardless of whether it's meant to be competitive or not, single player or not, or is/isn't a Fighting Game. There MUST be some semblance of Balance. Now, the reasoning for balance can range based on Genre but, they all boil down to keeping the player engaged. If a game is too easy, you stop playing, if a game is too hard, you stop playing. If something in a game feels unfair, you might stop playing or leave a bad review. Balance in every. single. game. Is important. In addition, regardless of whether something is made to be competitive or not. We are competitive by nature, we will "Optimize" the fun out of every game we play, this is how "Meta's" are made. That is the nature of player's, and, players in Sparking Zero did that. They realized that for some reason Yajirobe has a full bar heal and is tanky enough to use it. He's(To my knowledge) the only character that can full heal a whole bar with so little draw backs. That's not fun, losing to time, is not fun, we need to keep player's engaged so we can sell more copies and DLC later, let's nerf it. Simple as that.
Tbh Yajirobe was a good counter to sparking dash spammers, Yolo unblockable ult spammers. Etc. But it was only a matter of time before the nerf fr. Lets keep this energy for the androids now.
I speak for a good amount of the +3Million players when I say we do NOT wanna fly around the map chasing yajirobi like goku when he first got to train with supreme Kai…… WE WANNA BOX AND THROW THESE HANDS SO PUT EM UP. Lol love you Lotus, keep up the great work my guy
People complaining about this dont understand that a game is suposed to be FUN The game can be unbalanced and still be fun but it needs "limits" stalling isnt fun, it feels miserable on the receiving end its extremely cheap and boring you put it perfectly, they dont like yajirobe they like winning
Yajirobe is still fine tho. Senzu is still a full heal and quick to use. He gets 6 skill bars so fast too because of all the vanish battles. Also just play with items enabled and put all the HP items on him and he will have 5 bars of HP.
14:31 lol now idk…I DID watch Yajirobe body Cymbol with minimum difficulty 👀 (or maybe it was drum I don’t remember which minion it actually was) Chiaotzu has never won a fight in on screen outside of them lil preliminaries in the tournament he’s first introduced 💀
@@CyQuelin Yaj trained with Kami for a year when the Saiyans were heading to earth. And let's not forget, he started off strong enough to beat Piccolo's minions, meanwhile Chiaotzu lost to krillin who was one-shot by tambourine.
That you "you know when there were this many Yajirobe fans? October 7th." Had me smiling. Really sums up the whole issue. Let the haters seethe, channel your inner Zamasu and let them burn, they deserve to suffer for their sins. Now at least when somebody locks in Yajirobe, there's a chance they are doing it because they actually enjoy the character's play style and the joke of having him be strong. As it was, it was just cheesers cheesin'.
It's rough on xbl rn changing some settings can help find matches but anything under 3 quality is basically asking for a DC...even mf with 4-5 quality are getting DC 😂
People out here crying about yaji but not Hercules present attack. Where are your priorities people hercule is cheating in my fighting game with bombs.
I just final flashed that mf 2 times he barely survived the first but I knew how much damage to for the second and murdered him. I would have liked him to stay like how he was in Budokai Tenkaichi 3
Yea cleary you one of the players that didnt beat all the what ifs if you did you would relize how to stop yajorbi from doing thish hes nerfed now glad your happy but the nerf was pointless when you look how skilled players play heck the whag ifs make you beat oppents in 1min flat so if you had issues with him that is why you didnt know how to keep constant pressure
I want them to continue with balancing the game tbh. One of the major balances I wanna see is if you play single ranked or single casual that all characters have 4 health bars, that way it makes the matches more fair, you’ll be able to play any character you want but also better characters will still deal their respective amount of damage
I would prefer if they implemented the same system as Elden Ring and kept PVP and PVE separated balance wise, so that they can nerf or buff characters in Online modes without impacting the solo experience too much.
Yajirobe nerfed is the best! He carries so many teams, and is unbeatable with constantly being able to heal, super frustrating and annoying. Lost so many matches, that I should have won due to this. Players that complain about this, were only carried by him, and need to work on their skill level. I hope they keep making changes like this in the future, afterimage strike needs to be next, that move is busted. People complaining about making this a competitive game need to go somewhere else, why else would you play a fighting game?? If that is the case they just need to play solo then. These changes need to continue to make the game fair and balanced on all levels.
This patch is so vindicating. I had multiple problems with controls feeling unresponsive/inconsistent online and I genuinely thought most of it was just me huffing copium because I suck at timing moves.
Haven't tried it out post patch yet but there was definitely a problem with controls before. Sometimes the game would just lag out when you were trying to use a super. Like the menu would pop up and the super move either wouldn't come out or your characters would start doing basic attacks. Same with trying to switch out the menu wouldn't pop up sometimes or if it did it still wouldn't switch until you pressed the button 5 times. Very annoying.
so the TLDR of the complaints about the nerf is that people don't understand the difference when the devs said it would be unbalanced between; Broly should easily fold Mr. Satan and cheese game stalling tactics. I swear to god people have 0 critical thinking skills on Twitter. You were spot on that people were upset their easy win condition was nerfed. Funny how they don't want the game to be competitive, but when a healthy change is made, they get upset because they might have to play the game for fun
Couldn’t have said it any better. If anything, Yajirobe’s more lore friendly now, balancing him made him unbalanced in the opposite direction like originally intended, so the folks complaining about others complaining still get their way, in a roundabout, comedic kind of way. That’s what y’all wanted right?
I'm glad about this patch, wasn't expecting much in terms of updates. But now I'm getting caught in Super Broly special attack loops and "Kakarot!" ki blast into unblockable supers. (And when I pull a miracle and beat this cheese, my opponent rage quits ofc. The solution to the keyblast spam is to just Z-counter but still that commitment might get you caught by the inevitable ult. I guess the solution to the Super Broly issue is just vanish the initial attack) Apparently, Super Broly gets a full ki regen skill, which means he can land his rush super, regen ki, land it again, transform into SSJ recovering ki again, then land another super (leaving no space for recovery) A lot of characters have instant sparking mode skills, but even if they deplete 6 skill gauges to land it twice, you have the opportunity to out play them. Here I get hit once and I just have to take the 30k+ damage because I lost 1 interaction in the early game.
anyone using yajirobe or wheelo cannot use the "my favourite charachter/they are canonically strong debate" their intellectual dishonesty alone warranted nerfs. Im of the opinion that he didnt need to be nerfed but time limits need to be removed in DP battle. take all of your enemies hp to win, lose all your hp to lose.
@@VoltReturns people who extend matches unnaturally are still giving themselves slower wins/slower losses as opposed to Full on cheesing and non interaction Would you rather a 15 minute slobberknocker of back and forth fighting or 10 minutes of chasing a yajirobe with a 300 hp lead around fighting a very specific way We as a community can play honest or can play cheese, I think playing honest is better as its based in skill and best practice Yajirobe wouldnt have been nerfed if people played him with skill and aggression, Bandai saw the Yajirobe players and said “this is not the type of person we want to see succeed” And tbh i dont want to see that type of gameplay succeed.
I watch a lot of ranked on YT when I'm not playing myself. The only time the videos are boring is when the opposing player has Yajirobe, 19, and 20. This nerf is not only great for gameplay, but great for people who are watching videos to learn from gameplay.
I also could not believe the amount of hate and anger towards this game. I joined a fb group for this game and left that ish after about 3-4 hours. People were mad at ANY side you chose. I don't think the nerf was that bad, but I also don't really use Bean Daddy that much. So it doesn't really effect me one way or the other. I still love this game for what it is and I'm just happy I'm fortunate enough to play it. Much love on this and I believe I'll be subbing after this. I came across your channel cause of Sparking and it's nice to see a level head on it
Yajirobe was actually pretty strong. Goku tried to steal his lunch when they first met and he beat him up for it. I'd say stronger then Videl, maybe on par with a saiba if he trained for it. But while being used as a run and hide survivor fits him, he's not that strong and using him like this makes things very unfun for people who came to fight.
Great vid like always. Im glad you bring these things to light. I dont care about the balancing, thats what DP is for. What bothers me the most is too much defense and cheesy Skills. The ONLY thing i want to do in the game is box people and have fun. People just stall for cheesy Skills and the game turns into a cat an mouse simulator. I just hope they change some of the mechanics of the game. Maybe build Skill gauge slower or strong Skills like Afterimage Strike and instant Sparking cost max amount like what they just did with the the Senzu Bean, have Super Counter cost something, Vanish War speed up. The balance is whatever but these make every match feel the exact same way with barely any real skill involved. Its just getting repetitive and boring very fast and just does not feel fun.
Go watch DragonBall!! Yajirobe was destroying KingPiccolo's minions minus diff and was near if not above Korin who out scales Roshi-(Korin was outspeeding Goku during training after Roshi stated Goku surpassed him) and Videl barely learned to fly before giving up on training Yajirobe spites Videl and Mid/High diffs Roshi
I hope for future adjustments. Fusions are really strong, and only one I feel isn't as harsh is Kefla from them, as though still strong, her combos and kit seem fair compared to other characters, although having the extra health lead compared to most every character gives her an edge. That being said though, what I hope to see adjusted most is Afterimage Strike, 15 seconds feels far too long for what it does. Defenders would say something like "Oh just throw ki blasts it's not that hard" but that is a band-aid for a gash.
I was also expecting some campaign story updates about better explaining what needs to be done for the "what if" episodes other than "defeat your opponent quickly"
I just liked seeing people play something other than ultra instinct and ssj4. The fact it was funny sword man was just a hilarious extra "Oh the strong are supposed to be strong" Oh but seeing literally notging but the strong is as boring as sensu beans Atleast the nerf isn't that bad, should make things a bit more interesting with slightly harder bean spam, meaning experimentation will thrive and we get to see more characters 🎉
The Yajirobe slander is WILD GO WATCH DRAGONBALL!! Just because Toriyama forgot about him doesn't mean we did! He was a main character for an entire arc in Dragonball, SHOCKER he wasn't in just like 3 episodes of Z he's got plenty of screentime in DB. He's got plenty of fans, SZ isn't the reason MOST ppl like him😤😤No hate on the video just put some respect on my boys name!!
The difference between the fun broken stuff and Yajirobe's nonsense is that the senzu bean is unhealthy and unfun, the next thing should be the unblockable giant dash spamming
Controller standard/classic bug fix is great news. One thing that has held me off from continuing with the rank battles. Getting clapped not being able to use all my skills was slightly annoying, now if i get clapped while I'm able to use all my skills, that's totally fine and for some reason a lot more acceptable to me.
I like the somewhat balanced much more than the canon power thing that Xenoverse kinda did. My main reason is that I just want to have fun and play with different characters and have a fighting chance. Cause going the canon route limits characters, you can play as and kinda defeats the purpose to me in a video game perspective, adding all these characters just to practically garenteed you're gonna lose before u start if u have a saibamen vs a character that over ssj lvl doing zero damage when all they gotta do is 1 super move on you to win thats not fun.
Balance =/= Competitive The game is sold to make money, and the people buy it because it's fun to play. Stalling is NOT fun. If it's not fun, if it doesn't look fun, or if it stops being fun people will stop playing. They want to sell copies of the game and DLC, so making the game fun is a priority. Crying about this nerf is, ironically, more of a competitive mindset. Yajirobe being somewhat good is more of an Esports change like with how often they buffed Videl in FighterZ. If you want it to be unbalanced the low DP characters should be bad like Bamco intended.
I literally feel the same way. And got into an argument wit my group about it. We may not even be friends after this over yajirobe and balancing lol. Wild
I agree with all the nerfs to yajirobe apart from the health drop, starting with no skill stocks and having to use 6 points was more than fair in my opinion
I'd really dig it if a character could only go Sparking once and all their supers were sealed after their Sparking expires OR they require 1 or 2 Skill Points + their Ki cost to use them. It makes sense, because characters should get winded after going all-out, full-power, over the limit like they are in the show AND it would help weaken Sparking a bit. I'm not saying this SHOULD be a thing, I'm just saying I'd like it
Yajirobe in the other Tenkaichi games was a meme character. I am of the belief that using the weaker characters (with all their disadvanges) and winning showed a measure of skill. Like beating UI Goku with Krillin.
Personally I don't think the "nerf" is enough to deter persons from running the Yajirobe stall strategy. I think that they should have changed his DP cost to perhaps 4 or 5 to really make players think about having the senzu beans on their team versus having a stronger character. As is, he is still able to stall just *slightly* slower.
Yo Lotus bro I fully agree with u on this 1000% people only used him because of how his senzu bean skill was sooo broken like they just don't wanna say it it's ok we know but he needed the nerf
Something I haven't really seen: since Yajirobe was nerfed for HP and Sparking meter use, wouldn't those same players be able to use capsule builds that counteract that? I've seen capsules for higher HP, HP regen after time, sparking regen rate, and sparking gain boost for certain actions. What is the likelihood that you all will shift to capsules-off battles to avoid those players (ranked and unranked)? Just some food for thought, I haven't done ranked mode until I know my combos and defensive timing (up plus square is hard for me, gotta learn it after opponent vanishes). I also wanted to wait for the DB Superhero pack to drop so I can show peeps the pride of Namek with an all-Namekian team.
The problem isn't what Yajirobe does but how easy it is for him to do it. Its the same issue with 19,20, and the giants. I think false courage and after image strike need to cost an additional SP. Some of the "buff" skills could go down by 1 SP.
My biggest wish for the future is for them to increase the timer or make it unlimited for DP battles because if it’s a 5v5 with 2 decent players that know how to counter/defend the game is gonna end In timeout regardless and it’s such a crappy feeling it’s like me and my opponent are punished for playing well And for them to add crossplay/rollback to boost the longevity of the game’s life span
From ranked single battle, the only character I’d change is super vegito. I frequently see 4 or 5 in a row because of how absurd afterimage strike is on a fusion
It's crazy how Yajirobe is more talked about in a game than in the anime 😂😂
Exactly cuz they only like him since hes cheesy
I guess you could say he gets more screen time 😂
@@VoltReturns Cause you are weak 😂😂😂 that's all little monkey
It’s also because every character is supposed to be lore accurate and Yaj is far from that… 💯
in the anime, he was never invincible, and I don’t ever remember him flying or teleporting either.😂 never would I have thought he’d be top Meta💯
Yajirobe is zero drama just chillin and senzu his arc came around full circle
"Killed the character" = It's power matches it's DP cost and you can't cheese the game adding it to every team and have it consistently deliver
You mean I can't have a 4DP character for 2DP cost?
Agreed ppl only complaining about Yajirobe being nerfed cause they can only win with Yajirobe
I didnt think much of it when i got my ass whooped by someone running Yajirobe when the game first launched and now seeing i was scammed it dont hurt as bad
Anyone who says that they genuinely enjoyed playing him, but dropped him now, straight up just lying. He got the most fair nerf in nerfing history. 2 and a half health bar is still very generous for a 2 DP character, he just requires more skill to build enough skill counter.
@@arpadszabo661 Facts they literally just used him as an easy win condition. Nothing more nothing less
They need to get metal cooler next. That heal is crazy.
Dude had a 36% pick rate in Z- rank. This reminds me of the Android 16 situation in Fighterz where he was broken in season 1 and every team had him, then when he got balanced, all these “i’ve always been an Android 16 fan” folks dropped off the face of the planet and picked up GT Goku instead 😭
Personally, I don't care if the game is tightly balanced nor do I care who the top tier are in terms of Dragon Ball Lore (tm), so I'm not sure I fit into either camp you describe, but there is a pretty simple thing I want to be true of the game: I want it to be fun. I think that nerfing/reworking strategies/mechanics/abilities that are clearly negatively affecting the player experience across all skill levels is the proper point of priority for adjustments, and changing Yajirobe clearly fits the bill. Hope that continues to be the focus going forward.
I think that's what alot of people don't realize. People say "oh you're only complaining because you're bad" when it's negatively affecting player experience of ALL skill levels. These are the same people who were running Yajirobe who were upset that he got nerfed, I guarantee you.
Well said boss
Hard agree, I love an unbalanced game but only if it manages to be fun. Getting stalled out is way less fun than getting cooked by a cracked super vegito
Right on the money.
Yeah basically this shit was completely unfun to play against especially when youre running into it every single match unbalanced is fine but not if its so unfun it starts pushing people away from playing the game at all
When the game first came out and everyone was using SSJ4 Gogeta, I thought maybe a lot of people DID watch GT as a kid. But now that the meta is super vegito, that’s all I see now in single battles. Proves that people don’t actually like the characters they play, they just wanna win.
Yeah. Long gone are the days of people playing games for fun
Yh, that’s 60% of characters I see online are the 10dp ones. I love playing base broly and powering up slowly and transforming during the fight like the anime; but base broly just can’t hang with gogeta blue or ssj4 or ui. So I have stooped and now I start with rage in singles. I wish they matched us with oppenents close to our dp
That’s really just how all fighting games work. Even back in the day with BT3.
Facts that's just how kids are.
I feel like they're all preparation for the demons who play hard characters
Senzu beans are supposed to keep you full for 10 days anyways so spamming them wouldn't be possible and the most canonical nerf would be giving him a 1 time use
Well I’m not sure how many he ate in DB. Would be funny AF if they made him collapse in game the same way as he did in DB with his stomach blowing up after eating a certain amount.
@@kfdan42he ate like multiple bags bruh
Yajirobe is built different, his stomach is at least saiyan tier.
So after 1 bean he gets a temporary 50 second speed down?
the same dudes talking bout "not being able to beat yajirobe is a skill issue" were the same people crying because they cant abuse senzu beans. maybe the real skill issue is you not being able to win a game to save your life without relying on the cheesiest character in the game
I destroy you with saibaiman 😂😂😂😂😂 i'm going to enjoy seeing the sissy like you born in 2015 cry on youtube this week "Pleeeaz 😢😢😢 nerf saibaimaaan.. i'm just a sissy with skill issue.... i can't wiiin hannnnnnnnnnn "
Not true, tapion main and never worried about yaji
Yajirobe was not the cheesiest character not even close to
lol naw man its just stupid weakest character in the show is one of the most op lol fighting characters like that makes the game as gay as you
Well from videos I've seen you just have to be extra aggressive when fighting him and try to get rid of him fast as possible
People need to realize that when Bamco says “this game is intentionally unbalanced” they mean shit like SSJ4 Gogeta has a significant stat advantage over characters like Hercule and Guldo. Not “this is a lawless jungle with no regard to how cracked any skills might be”.
With that said I hope they reintroduce ki sickness at some point or at the very least nerf other skills like Full Power and afterimage strike
“Ki sickness” lmaoo is that what it was always called? I know of some certain TH-camrs who call it that but I don’t remember that being the official name 🤣🤣
Jokes aside, doesn’t full power only give you 5 ki bars? I know it does for Vegito when I used him a few times. And the status effects not being a thing is definitely what’s missing from the game. Kinda weird how those weren’t already implemented since this is supposedly supposed to be the next installment in the Sparking! series so 🤷🏽♂️
Anyone mad about this nerf definitely used that character as a crutch, let’s be honest here we all know it don’t lie now.
Right, talkin bout some “Yajirobe has always been my main goat!” GTF outta here 😂 this man’s play rate in singles is legit 0.14%, and on the character leaderboards, there is ONE Yaj player with over 150 wins, and his name is quite literally “TheGreatYajirobe” bro is the only actual Yaj fan on the planet 😭. People played him in DP because he has the highest value and was crucial in stalling with senzu, its really simple as that. His play rate in DP battles is astronomically higher for these reasons alone.
Right? Everything I heard about this game from anybody was Yajirobe, because he was so ubiquitous, because he was such a cheap "I win" button.
That's not about 'competitive-level balance,' that's about 'nobody wants to play Yajirobe Stall Simulator 2024 and the game will fucking die"
I’ve never played yaji and I still think nerfing him is bs ya just have a massive skill issue and if they change him they have to change other characters aswell lol get better trash can
@@JohnGlow2 if you were a actual yajirobe fan you wouldn’t want him broken and meta imo because he’s not
No y’all just cheeks y’all the same players who just sit and spam no originality
I love how people said stuff like "oh bro, keep it lore accurate" meanwhile they get upset at yajirobe being more accurate than he was lmao
What accuracy? No one was ever able to spam sensu
I domt recall spamming zenzu beans being lore accurate.
You are talking about people who are unable to critically think, they don't even understand their own arguments so don't worry about it.
@chrisreid4711 to be fair, Yajirobe eating alot of senzu beans actually is lore accurate. In Dragonball he ate several hand fulls at once
@@kami3449yeah and he turned into a bloated ball afterwards. So what exactly was your point?
These videos have been amazing quality and steadily consistent bro . I see you!!
I don’t think people understand how big of a fix classic controls being bugged is, it was one of the biggest issues that was kinda overshadowed by ranked cheese gripes. I’m enjoying the game so much more based on that fix alone. Had me actually feeling like Future Gohan before, only able to use half my options.
Agreed this issue was not talked about enough so I’m glad they actually fixed it as soon as possible
I literally stopped playing because of it
@@rayshon5230i was honestly about to. Glad it got addressed but sitting there waiting for some kind of update from Bamco was painful
@@JohnGlow2 me too. Now my issue is that I. Can’t watch any of my replays because they’re from “an old version”. Bs.
Them boys built their whole SZ ranked legacy on yajirobe 😂
Just so people are aware. Yajirobe had 4 health bars and has been reduced to 3 and 1/2. This can be easily tested in Training mode, just attack Yajirobe and count how many heal bars you have to remove before he dies. You'll count to 3 bars removed and he'll still be standing with half a bar.
The statement of him going from 3 bars down to 2 and a 1/2 is incorrect.
The idea that yajirobe post nerf is still a direct upgrade stat wise to bt3 yajirobe is hilarious
The problem with saying that the game shouldn't be balanced and therefore shouldn't get adjustments at all, it ignores one crucial thing: Ranked online play is now a thing, and the only way to match up players of similar skill level is for them to progress (or fail to progress) their rank.
If nothing ever got adjustments, it would be an endless cesspool of broken and unbalanced BS. It would decimate the player base until only a handful of rotating casual players, players who organize small community events, and people playing with their friends would be left. You'd have to just remove ranked mode from the game entirely, which would also kill the online presence and make finding good opponents for your own skill level impractical.
It doesn't help that the game's AI is just not engaging to play against past learning basic game mechanics either - I can't see myself doing offline mode for fun ever again now that I've done each of the tournament styles once.
“Since when did yajirobe have so many fanboys” 🤣🤣🤣
you crashing out at 14:00 going into the game, and 15:02 is so hilarious, i completely agree and feel the same way, it makes NO SENSE for him to have been as strong as he was no matter what your perspective of balance as lotus said, and all the people throwing a fit just show that they can only win by cheesing with him.
15:17 TELL EM AGAIN!! THEY NEED TO HEAR IT
YES!!! THANK YOU!!!
SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK!!!!
HE IS SPITTIN FACTS
"Esports games are understood to be the sort of game in which players can enjoy highly competitive battles where the character are balanced in a fair way. On the other hand, Sparking! ZERO’s focus is on immersion, and we wanted to make it a game that people who like Dragon Ball even a little will surely enjoy. We value the Dragon Ball experience more than the esports experience.
For example, I think Gogeta is known for being super strong, and we made him very strong in the game. Characters like Mr. Satan who tend to have a tough time in the story are also likely to struggle in-game. Making characters who are strong in the source material feel overwhelmingly strong in the game is another way we hope to deepen the Dragon Ball experience for players. So, Sparking! ZERO is not like an esports game, but it’s not like a party game either….err, I guess you could say it’s a Dragon Ball game? (laughs). I’d like to settle on this.
However, we have implemented a cost system called DP, in which each character has a predetermined cost - this makes it so that the combined strength of all the characters on each team is aligned and players get to enjoy fair battles." ~ Furutani (the producer of Dragon Ball Sparking! ZERO).
NO WHERE does this say the game wouldn't get patches or balanced but that it'd be balanced around the immersion of dragon ball.
My two suggestions against stalling
1.
More characters would increase the cooldown to switch
2.
Timeout is based who did the most damage, not who has the most health
Feel free to reply to this with suggestions (that aren't toxic if possible)
I’m a big fan of point 2
For point 2, you mean it's not like that? Like, it's based on just the health bar of the character you have out at the time?
I agree with the first point. If a player has the full team queued, it makes sense that their tag-out timer takes longer to kick-in. There might also be a way to make it so that tag-outs drain sparking meter on exit so that either the same character can't tag back with a carryover, or that the player needs sparking stored to initiate the tag-out.
Timeout based on damage makes sense too. Stalling to stay alive or tag out is fine in some cases, but it shouldn't be the deciding factor for the match. There may also be a way to have it so that KOs count above damage too. This is overall something tricky to implement due to how asymetrical team setups can be with DP scores and the number of fighters.
Other ideas that come to mind:
Sudden death where each character can KO to one hit, I'll let the community decide what the conditions to trigger that are since I'm not experienced with ranked mode
Characters with the ability to heal have a limited-use case **during a ranked match**. Ranking should come down to skill, not the ability to use the Joestar Secret Technique. They can only redeem their healing factor ONCE during a ranked match. Player match remains unaffected.
Capsule in the shop that restricts everyone's ability to tag out OR prevents healing while you're on the field. This'll prompt the enemy to throw hands if they see they can't heal and they wanna be cheesy.
@@Shade84 nope it's the same cooldown no matter how many you have on the team and whoever
Whoops got the points mixed up
Nope its your team overall health. Which is why having hercule can be such a crutch to have in the pocket. Never have him out, but still have the health lead
I'm personally of the stance that just because the game isn't competitive doesn't mean it must therefore be unbalanced. Not to mention that people can 100% play this game competitively if they want anyways, and many will.
Yeah, try to talk about how supercounters are actually kind of OP at high ranks and watch the world burn.....
I don't even get why this game shouldn't be competitive, I mean, for casual matches you have unranked, all fine.
Competitivity will actually make it last and talk about it.
I do think they really have solid foundations to make it last for years to come (except for super counters). This game could really surpass other fighting games in my opinion and make the arena fighters an actual good thing.
I heavily agree with that Master Roshi comment especially considering he got invited to ToP, he honestly should be stronger if we're going from a lore standpoint, at the very least equal to the other humans
Hes already cracked what u saying. He got a fast asf ki charge, 2 unblockables and afterimage strike
And by lore Senzu beans are broken. It’s a complete full heal
@@CDubs007
Yeah. It's not like the devs stopped it from being a full heal either, they just gave yajarobe less hp. A fine way to go about it imo.
@@Skibidiligma47578 I don’t mind the health. I thought he had two bars in bt3. Another skill counter is crazy. Especially when insta spark and afterimage (the mechanics actually making the game not fun) cost 3
And like 10 days of food and water 😂 they are actually cracked AF in canon@@CDubs007
Facts. I think the yajirobe nerf was possibly even a bit light
same, should've been a full HP bar that got taken away and not just half 😂
Tbh the way i have fun with this game, is by putting myself into my chosen characters shoes. So if im up against Gero for as annoying as his grab and heal / armor gimmick is. I just tell myself if this were to actually happen, this is what it'd be like. It becomes fun that way ngl 😂
Fighting Yajirobe for 600 seconds was ridiculous asf Hopefully they do something about after image too the only
people i lose to are after image spam and yajirobe
Same. I don’t even mind them in single battles, but when people bring 3 afterimage strike characters to DP battles, its just unplayable
Facts
Leave afterimage alone, pan and videl need it.
What about insta sparking into unblock-able super spammers
You just sway away or ki spam and grab you just need to avoid them for 15 sec
Thing is Senzu bean is a full health restore, so if Yajirobe has health items, he practically resets.
Regeneration and Sleep is like a 20% restore which can easily get blasted away in one Super/Ult.
He loses two free skill bars, his senzu bean takes one more, and his health is lower too, so healing has less value. It's a pretty strong nerf
@@Anegor He's still a demon with items on. You can equip all the health items and give him 4 bars of health (You'll get them back with Senzu Bean). Plus you can give him Secret Measures for an extra skill count at the start of battle.
Keeping pre-nerf Yajirobe in mind he was a monster with items on with a full heal and buffs to iron out his weaknesses. Victory Power (V-Jump exclusive) increases his blast and ultimate blast power as well.
@neonvoidstorm6053 no one uses items
@@georgebran7911 they do, the amount of people in a party that secretly enable items on xbox is wild
@@georgebran7911still effects the leaderboards
I'm 30 years old and been a fan of Dragonball since I was like 7. And I can honestly say I have NEVER heard anyone care about Yajirobe this much. It's barely even a nerf. If anything it sounds like a bug fix. He had 3 bars of health and started the battle with 2 skill points. The math was not mathing. 😂
O SHIT THE CHICHI BLACK MOD, also W video, don’t know why they’re even complaining about the change 🙏
Androids are a hard counter to yajirobe. I always keep one in my lineup to counter the cheese. Just cant let them breathe. Be like a swarm of bees and they cant heal
I strongly agree that Yajirobe being nerfed was such a right choice to make. There is nothing more frustrating than losing to Yajirobe cause, you know that player is not actually good at the game
Its even more sad when a player says thish becuse it shows you werent good at fighting that type of player the story mode littarly teaches you how to body oppents with its what ifs in 1 min if not 2 heck you only need a min to kill bean daddy so you saying thish shows you didnt know how to defend or rush bean daddy so you can stop him from poping a bean got to get better buddy
@@dogfighterzssjb3182 Have you actually played the game?
Cause the story mode never TEACHES YOU HOW TO KILL SOMEBODY WHO'S JUST RUNNING AWAY. Or somebody who can heal within two seconds.
You need a minute to kill yajirobe? Really? You haven't played the game pre-patch then. Cause let me tell you something, it's super easy to run away, knock you back, sensu bean, and repeat. Even if you rush them, at some point you have to knock them away, or let them fall out of your combo. Or they do the perfect counter. And if they do that had have 5 skill points, sensu bean, back to full, have to repeat everything again.
There is a problem when YAJIROBE is top of the damn leaderboard.
Like this guy said "I didn't know Yajirobe had so many fanboys"
(P.S. Yajirobe is used on TEAMS. Yajirobe cost only 2 DP. So the time limit is already near it's end when you have to fight him. So stalling with yajirobe works way better, since the timelimit is already near it's end. They win by timeout. Cause they run away, and knock you back and then sensu. You would know this works if you actually played the game)
The thing is even if you beat degen stalling strategies you still wind up not having fun + going to time when you could be playing more games. I also want Afterimage Strike to get slightly nerfed for a similar reason, I just wish it costed 4 on certain characters.
Man I just hope they see the success with this game and cave in and give us cross play. I ended up buying the game on Xbox knowing it would have the lowest player base but still wanted to because I prefer the controller. Current issues aside with servers this game deserves to have as much longevity across all platforms as possible. Really hope they find it worthwhile to add it.
No no no sorry that you ended up buying on the worst possible platform but still no… nobody wants to play wit pc nerds and cheaters
@@23beats28 i still want them to have that be an option you can turn off. But thanks for stressing my platform of choice lmao
Your Xbox controller connects to your PC via Bluetooth. If you don't have a Bluetooth via motherboard you can buy Bluetooth dongle for $15 and play using your controller. But yea cross play would be nice as a long as they ban hacks/cheats
Are you able to play online? I've heard it's unplayable online on Xbox. I'm on Xbox and this is the only thing that's making me not want to buy it.
@@23beats28 damn bro if you broke and salty just say that. And there’s 1000 percent more nerds on console buddy lol.
7:05 Even party games need a lil balance. One strategy being so dominant that it makes 80% of people use it isn't fun. Games at the end of the day are supposed to be fun. The changes were needed.
That just need to fix the input lag
Why aren't more people talking about that.
Like there was none in BT3.
This would make the game far better
Thank you!!!!! I haven't even played online, just against PC so far and the controls feel so bad. feels like it has serious trouble registering my button presses. For a game that relies on fast reflexes and combos, this is really unfortunate.
That's the only thing I could give two fucks about. BT3 felt way more snappier, optimized and responsive with every button press.
that game had no online though sooooo thats why theres input lag online in this one
@@masinmarkert There was online on the Wii version of the game, and the input lag we are referring to is also offline.
@@mike4455 exactly
It's funny how gassed up the community is about Yajirobe. The nerf seems justified, idk... I haven't played ranked or Yajirobe.
RIP young Yaj
Thank God
Rest in Piss
I can’t believe how overblown the complaints are about the nerf. It’s VERY balanced. Basically every word you said roasting these babies, PREACH.
I personally think, that people who complain that a game "Shouldn't be balanced, unless it's meant to be competitive." have 0 understanding of fundamental Game Design Philosophy. In any game, regardless of whether it's meant to be competitive or not, single player or not, or is/isn't a Fighting Game. There MUST be some semblance of Balance. Now, the reasoning for balance can range based on Genre but, they all boil down to keeping the player engaged. If a game is too easy, you stop playing, if a game is too hard, you stop playing. If something in a game feels unfair, you might stop playing or leave a bad review. Balance in every. single. game. Is important.
In addition, regardless of whether something is made to be competitive or not. We are competitive by nature, we will "Optimize" the fun out of every game we play, this is how "Meta's" are made. That is the nature of player's, and, players in Sparking Zero did that. They realized that for some reason Yajirobe has a full bar heal and is tanky enough to use it. He's(To my knowledge) the only character that can full heal a whole bar with so little draw backs. That's not fun, losing to time, is not fun, we need to keep player's engaged so we can sell more copies and DLC later, let's nerf it. Simple as that.
Tbh Yajirobe was a good counter to sparking dash spammers, Yolo unblockable ult spammers.
Etc.
But it was only a matter of time before the nerf fr. Lets keep this energy for the androids now.
I speak for a good amount of the +3Million players when I say we do NOT wanna fly around the map chasing yajirobi like goku when he first got to train with supreme Kai…… WE WANNA BOX AND THROW THESE HANDS SO PUT EM UP. Lol love you Lotus, keep up the great work my guy
Dragon ball fighterz
I agree w you man, this is not a crazy nerf. You should still be able to pop one or two senzus if you’re decent at the game
Yajirobe's still broken AF! lmao
It's barely noticable but hey, better than nothing.
People complaining about this dont understand that a game is suposed to be FUN
The game can be unbalanced and still be fun but it needs "limits"
stalling isnt fun, it feels miserable on the receiving end
its extremely cheap and boring
you put it perfectly, they dont like yajirobe they like winning
16:05 SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK 🗣️🗣️🗣️
Yajirobe is still fine tho.
Senzu is still a full heal and quick to use.
He gets 6 skill bars so fast too because of all the vanish battles.
Also just play with items enabled and put all the HP items on him and he will have 5 bars of HP.
14:31 lol now idk…I DID watch Yajirobe body Cymbol with minimum difficulty 👀 (or maybe it was drum I don’t remember which minion it actually was) Chiaotzu has never won a fight in on screen outside of them lil preliminaries in the tournament he’s first introduced 💀
Chiao trains with Tien, that’s the only way I say he’s technically stronger. Other than that idk too
@@CyQuelin Yaj trained with Kami for a year when the Saiyans were heading to earth. And let's not forget, he started off strong enough to beat Piccolo's minions, meanwhile Chiaotzu lost to krillin who was one-shot by tambourine.
That you "you know when there were this many Yajirobe fans? October 7th." Had me smiling. Really sums up the whole issue. Let the haters seethe, channel your inner Zamasu and let them burn, they deserve to suffer for their sins. Now at least when somebody locks in Yajirobe, there's a chance they are doing it because they actually enjoy the character's play style and the joke of having him be strong. As it was, it was just cheesers cheesin'.
They this need to fix communication with the game server failed error
Hopefully there's another patch with more fixes soon!
It's rough on xbl rn changing some settings can help find matches but anything under 3 quality is basically asking for a DC...even mf with 4-5 quality are getting DC 😂
People out here crying about yaji but not Hercules present attack. Where are your priorities people hercule is cheating in my fighting game with bombs.
Honestly it wouldn’t bother me if Yajirobe didn’t get nerfed. I viewed it as a challenge to kick his ass.
I just final flashed that mf 2 times he barely survived the first but I knew how much damage to for the second and murdered him. I would have liked him to stay like how he was in Budokai Tenkaichi 3
Yea cleary you one of the players that didnt beat all the what ifs if you did you would relize how to stop yajorbi from doing thish hes nerfed now glad your happy but the nerf was pointless when you look how skilled players play heck the whag ifs make you beat oppents in 1min flat so if you had issues with him that is why you didnt know how to keep constant pressure
I want them to continue with balancing the game tbh. One of the major balances I wanna see is if you play single ranked or single casual that all characters have 4 health bars, that way it makes the matches more fair, you’ll be able to play any character you want but also better characters will still deal their respective amount of damage
Yajirobe's change was well warranted. now they need to look at Android 19 lmaooooo
And gero 😂
I literally just had this same thought lmao 🤣
First form Cell is pretty wild too, just no one plays him. His grab heals him and his ult heals even more.
Blocking grabs is the easiest counter though
Gogeta 4 should have his Instant Spark taken away, or his extra health bar should be taken away if they wanna nerf Yaji.
I would prefer if they implemented the same system as Elden Ring and kept PVP and PVE separated balance wise, so that they can nerf or buff characters in Online modes without impacting the solo experience too much.
It's fine the way it is
I can’t wait to start seeing yajirobes getting one shot by a ssj 4 gogeta ult 🙂🙂
Canon
Good
Lore accurate Gogeta
Yajirobe nerfed is the best! He carries so many teams, and is unbeatable with constantly being able to heal, super frustrating and annoying. Lost so many matches, that I should have won due to this. Players that complain about this, were only carried by him, and need to work on their skill level. I hope they keep making changes like this in the future, afterimage strike needs to be next, that move is busted.
People complaining about making this a competitive game need to go somewhere else, why else would you play a fighting game?? If that is the case they just need to play solo then. These changes need to continue to make the game fair and balanced on all levels.
“Bean daddy out”😢
This patch is so vindicating. I had multiple problems with controls feeling unresponsive/inconsistent online and I genuinely thought most of it was just me huffing copium because I suck at timing moves.
Haven't tried it out post patch yet but there was definitely a problem with controls before. Sometimes the game would just lag out when you were trying to use a super. Like the menu would pop up and the super move either wouldn't come out or your characters would start doing basic attacks. Same with trying to switch out the menu wouldn't pop up sometimes or if it did it still wouldn't switch until you pressed the button 5 times. Very annoying.
so the TLDR of the complaints about the nerf is that people don't understand the difference when the devs said it would be unbalanced between; Broly should easily fold Mr. Satan and cheese game stalling tactics.
I swear to god people have 0 critical thinking skills on Twitter. You were spot on that people were upset their easy win condition was nerfed. Funny how they don't want the game to be competitive, but when a healthy change is made, they get upset because they might have to play the game for fun
Couldn’t have said it any better. If anything, Yajirobe’s more lore friendly now, balancing him made him unbalanced in the opposite direction like originally intended, so the folks complaining about others complaining still get their way, in a roundabout, comedic kind of way. That’s what y’all wanted right?
I'm glad about this patch, wasn't expecting much in terms of updates. But now I'm getting caught in Super Broly special attack loops and "Kakarot!" ki blast into unblockable supers. (And when I pull a miracle and beat this cheese, my opponent rage quits ofc. The solution to the keyblast spam is to just Z-counter but still that commitment might get you caught by the inevitable ult. I guess the solution to the Super Broly issue is just vanish the initial attack)
Apparently, Super Broly gets a full ki regen skill, which means he can land his rush super, regen ki, land it again, transform into SSJ recovering ki again, then land another super (leaving no space for recovery) A lot of characters have instant sparking mode skills, but even if they deplete 6 skill gauges to land it twice, you have the opportunity to out play them. Here I get hit once and I just have to take the 30k+ damage because I lost 1 interaction in the early game.
anyone using yajirobe or wheelo cannot use the "my favourite charachter/they are canonically strong debate"
their intellectual dishonesty alone warranted nerfs.
Im of the opinion that he didnt need to be nerfed but time limits need to be removed in DP battle.
take all of your enemies hp to win, lose all your hp to lose.
Bad idea tho cuz then matches could nearly go on for infinity which… well yknow
@@VoltReturns people who extend matches unnaturally are still giving themselves slower wins/slower losses as opposed to
Full on cheesing and non interaction
Would you rather a 15 minute slobberknocker of back and forth fighting or 10 minutes of chasing a yajirobe with a 300 hp lead around fighting a very specific way
We as a community can play honest or can play cheese,
I think playing honest is better as its based in skill and best practice
Yajirobe wouldnt have been nerfed if people played him with skill and aggression, Bandai saw the Yajirobe players and said “this is not the type of person we want to see succeed”
And tbh i dont want to see that type of gameplay succeed.
Agree to the fullest
I watch a lot of ranked on YT when I'm not playing myself. The only time the videos are boring is when the opposing player has Yajirobe, 19, and 20. This nerf is not only great for gameplay, but great for people who are watching videos to learn from gameplay.
Videl smacking tf Yajirobe😂😂
I also could not believe the amount of hate and anger towards this game. I joined a fb group for this game and left that ish after about 3-4 hours. People were mad at ANY side you chose. I don't think the nerf was that bad, but I also don't really use Bean Daddy that much. So it doesn't really effect me one way or the other. I still love this game for what it is and I'm just happy I'm fortunate enough to play it. Much love on this and I believe I'll be subbing after this. I came across your channel cause of Sparking and it's nice to see a level head on it
Lotus going off on the DBSZ community is the not video I expected, but great quality bro lol
Yajirobe was actually pretty strong. Goku tried to steal his lunch when they first met and he beat him up for it. I'd say stronger then Videl, maybe on par with a saiba if he trained for it. But while being used as a run and hide survivor fits him, he's not that strong and using him like this makes things very unfun for people who came to fight.
Great vid like always. Im glad you bring these things to light. I dont care about the balancing, thats what DP is for. What bothers me the most is too much defense and cheesy Skills. The ONLY thing i want to do in the game is box people and have fun. People just stall for cheesy Skills and the game turns into a cat an mouse simulator. I just hope they change some of the mechanics of the game. Maybe build Skill gauge slower or strong Skills like Afterimage Strike and instant Sparking cost max amount like what they just did with the the Senzu Bean, have Super Counter cost something, Vanish War speed up. The balance is whatever but these make every match feel the exact same way with barely any real skill involved. Its just getting repetitive and boring very fast and just does not feel fun.
Go watch DragonBall!! Yajirobe was destroying KingPiccolo's minions minus diff and was near if not above Korin who out scales Roshi-(Korin was outspeeding Goku during training after Roshi stated Goku surpassed him) and Videl barely learned to fly before giving up on training Yajirobe spites Videl and Mid/High diffs Roshi
But roshi got way stronger later on tho, he was in the tournament of power after all
I hope for future adjustments. Fusions are really strong, and only one I feel isn't as harsh is Kefla from them, as though still strong, her combos and kit seem fair compared to other characters, although having the extra health lead compared to most every character gives her an edge.
That being said though, what I hope to see adjusted most is Afterimage Strike, 15 seconds feels far too long for what it does. Defenders would say something like "Oh just throw ki blasts it's not that hard" but that is a band-aid for a gash.
I was also expecting some campaign story updates about better explaining what needs to be done for the "what if" episodes other than "defeat your opponent quickly"
I just liked seeing people play something other than ultra instinct and ssj4. The fact it was funny sword man was just a hilarious extra
"Oh the strong are supposed to be strong"
Oh but seeing literally notging but the strong is as boring as sensu beans
Atleast the nerf isn't that bad, should make things a bit more interesting with slightly harder bean spam, meaning experimentation will thrive and we get to see more characters 🎉
The Yajirobe slander is WILD GO WATCH DRAGONBALL!! Just because Toriyama forgot about him doesn't mean we did! He was a main character for an entire arc in Dragonball, SHOCKER he wasn't in just like 3 episodes of Z he's got plenty of screentime in DB. He's got plenty of fans, SZ isn't the reason MOST ppl like him😤😤No hate on the video just put some respect on my boys name!!
The difference between the fun broken stuff and Yajirobe's nonsense is that the senzu bean is unhealthy and unfun, the next thing should be the unblockable giant dash spamming
I can’t see any of my replays after the update wtf
I love how lotus is so passionate about this and Frfr I agree with him 😂😂‼️‼️
Lotus speaking them facts in this video. I couldn’t stand running into Yajirobe in dp and watching that man have a snack every 45 seconds 🤦♂️
My boi Lotus cookin' LMFAO go off King
Controller standard/classic bug fix is great news. One thing that has held me off from continuing with the rank battles. Getting clapped not being able to use all my skills was slightly annoying, now if i get clapped while I'm able to use all my skills, that's totally fine and for some reason a lot more acceptable to me.
I'm not sure what people's thoughts were before the game released but man oh man there is so much negativity around this player base. Its really sad.
I like the somewhat balanced much more than the canon power thing that Xenoverse kinda did.
My main reason is that I just want to have fun and play with different characters and have a fighting chance. Cause going the canon route limits characters, you can play as and kinda defeats the purpose to me in a video game perspective, adding all these characters just to practically garenteed you're gonna lose before u start if u have a saibamen vs a character that over ssj lvl doing zero damage when all they gotta do is 1 super move on you to win thats not fun.
Balance =/= Competitive
The game is sold to make money, and the people buy it because it's fun to play. Stalling is NOT fun. If it's not fun, if it doesn't look fun, or if it stops being fun people will stop playing. They want to sell copies of the game and DLC, so making the game fun is a priority.
Crying about this nerf is, ironically, more of a competitive mindset. Yajirobe being somewhat good is more of an Esports change like with how often they buffed Videl in FighterZ. If you want it to be unbalanced the low DP characters should be bad like Bamco intended.
I literally feel the same way. And got into an argument wit my group about it. We may not even be friends after this over yajirobe and balancing lol.
Wild
Nice flcl outro/ride on shooting star visual. Both personal favorites.
I agree with all the nerfs to yajirobe apart from the health drop, starting with no skill stocks and having to use 6 points was more than fair in my opinion
Yyeaaaaah get they asses!
Calling it like it is near the end of the video I love it
He was yapping ngl
I'd really dig it if a character could only go Sparking once and all their supers were sealed after their Sparking expires OR they require 1 or 2 Skill Points + their Ki cost to use them. It makes sense, because characters should get winded after going all-out, full-power, over the limit like they are in the show AND it would help weaken Sparking a bit. I'm not saying this SHOULD be a thing, I'm just saying I'd like it
Honestly if that’s DBZ Videl she’d be weaker than Yajirobe, only just above Hercule in the ranks. I’d say they’re bottom 3.
“Welcome back to the channel; my name is lotsokawhtoaah” haha
The input delay got so much better. I can actually do charged attacks mid combo now.
Lore accurate Yajirobe would do zero damage to most characters unless he might catch them while they can't sense them... would make for funny gameplay
The reason why the sensu bean is OP is because it's a full health while all the other characters with a self heal is only a % of your current health.
Someone building their play style around Yajirobe says everything I need to know about your true intentions 😂
Yajirobe in the other Tenkaichi games was a meme character. I am of the belief that using the weaker characters (with all their disadvanges) and winning showed a measure of skill. Like beating UI Goku with Krillin.
What’s crazy is they’ve never played yajirobe they played senzu bean and are crying when they still have it
Personally I don't think the "nerf" is enough to deter persons from running the Yajirobe stall strategy. I think that they should have changed his DP cost to perhaps 4 or 5 to really make players think about having the senzu beans on their team versus having a stronger character. As is, he is still able to stall just *slightly* slower.
Yo Lotus bro I fully agree with u on this 1000% people only used him because of how his senzu bean skill was sooo broken like they just don't wanna say it it's ok we know but he needed the nerf
Something I haven't really seen: since Yajirobe was nerfed for HP and Sparking meter use, wouldn't those same players be able to use capsule builds that counteract that? I've seen capsules for higher HP, HP regen after time, sparking regen rate, and sparking gain boost for certain actions. What is the likelihood that you all will shift to capsules-off battles to avoid those players (ranked and unranked)?
Just some food for thought, I haven't done ranked mode until I know my combos and defensive timing (up plus square is hard for me, gotta learn it after opponent vanishes). I also wanted to wait for the DB Superhero pack to drop so I can show peeps the pride of Namek with an all-Namekian team.
The problem isn't what Yajirobe does but how easy it is for him to do it. Its the same issue with 19,20, and the giants. I think false courage and after image strike need to cost an additional SP. Some of the "buff" skills could go down by 1 SP.
My biggest wish for the future is for them to increase the timer or make it unlimited for DP battles because if it’s a 5v5 with 2 decent players that know how to counter/defend the game is gonna end In timeout regardless and it’s such a crappy feeling it’s like me and my opponent are punished for playing well
And for them to add crossplay/rollback to boost the longevity of the game’s life span
From ranked single battle, the only character I’d change is super vegito. I frequently see 4 or 5 in a row because of how absurd afterimage strike is on a fusion