@@gligarguy4010the graphics of the second game are really good though. For how hard getting 2D characters to work in 3D, especially for certain shows like Danny Phantom, My Life as a Teenage Robot, and ESPECIALLY Ren and Stimpy, they did amazingly.
Nasb 1 has the stupidest movement in any platfighter with the airdash, Nasb 2 has both a really good implementation of meter and freaking roman cancels, peak kusoges. Hope the devs get bigger budgets and less pushback from Nick next go around, they are clearly talented.
@@heathcIiff_LCB girl when was the last time you played this game??? the battlepass is completed easily by doing dailies and weekly missions, and those take like an hour at most, fighters road is an actual issue and you complaining about the battlepass of all things???
I reinstalled this game when raven dropped just for her, and when i understood how the fighter road worked i instantly uninstalled again and havent looked back
It's designed like the starr road from brawl stars but in brawl stars you can randomly get a brawlers you aren't unlocking and the brawlers arent based on super popular characters that some people might only download the game to play Also when brawl stars adds a new character you have the option to move your credits to them so you can play them too
Or just get blessed by Starr drops and get a good stack of credits or a whole brawler, I had a friend who got Kenji just as they were working towards unlocking him @@iluvchess14736
Literally same. Mind you when the game first dropped for their beta or whatever I got the deluxe with like 20 character tokens and once I saw a leak saying Raven is going to be a character I was saving them and then I return and my tokens nowhere to be found… robbery I’m fearing.
I hate seeing this game fail because conceptually it's cool, but on the other hand seeing David Zaslav's plans for a live service WB Games empire being drug through the dirt again and again is so satisfying. Since Discovery Plus just won't die the man's gotta take an L somewhere.
@@tritonhill9684 He cancelled Coyote vs Roadrunner post production as it was set to go to theaters and removed both Tiny toon adventures and Animaniacs off of hulu & still has not put these shows on max in their full uncensored glory. And that's just the beginning.
@@tritonhill9684 also he cancelled Batgirl which was in the same situation as Coyote VS Acme, and was INSISTENT that The Flash get released despite everything that happened with Ezra Miller.
I feel Multiversus should have just been paid. No F2P The ammount of grind and over monetization that the game has under the excuse of being F2P was oneo my mayor turn offs. Also just wanna point out Marvel Rivals released with all their characters free from start andwill continue to do so....and lo and behold its doing NUMBERS
@@Billymaysx Yeah Overwatch proved that it can. A fighting game like this meanwhile needs to be strong from the start. This is why Smash, Tekken, and Street Fighter are successful.
@@StarMechV They don't want to because it would be considered too big of a risk. Fighting games generally don't retain well. Same thing happened with Sparkling Zero recently. Marvel Rivals is in a genre that has proven to be successful. Overwatch, a team shooter with a 22% rating on Steam still pulls 30k players. That is double the players Brawlhalla has, AKA the leading Platform Fighter live service game in the genre.
@@Billymaysx and that 30k is only on one platform who knows how much it has on console and battle net (which is said to be the main way pc players play it)
Marvel Rivals is what I wanted Multiverses to be (In terms of simplicity and monetization fairness) Im over 100 hours in with Marvel Rivals and only played a few hours of Multiverses
Also I hate how the game makes it so that when you win, on other people screens you’re not moving, or you just jump off the stage. What the hell is the point of taunts if we can’t use them at the end of a match. When else would we be able to use them?
You could ask the same about Smash Bros aswell, and i don't agree. To me the problem isn't really the ending screen not letting you use taunts, it's the fact that it's so long in the first place. Just let people skip.
@@stardarkkit was working until id say season 3 for me. Idk if it’s really a bug or just a “bug” to appease the ego’s of those who were crying from ppl tbagging them
I truly love this game, and even with the mistakes they make. But one thing is very clear and needs to be fixed immediately for this game to succeed and not die: they need to change the marketing and development teams. The marketing team uses old and outdated strategies, and besides failing to do the basic communication for a game, they don’t communicate game updates clearly and in advance. Many times, these updates don’t work because of issues on the developers’ side. The only thing that saves this game is the art team (character design, skins, dialogues, environments, stages, cosmetics, animation, etc.).If marketing and dev teams will not be aligned, this game will not grow. Marketing isn’t just about choosing the next characters for the game but about how you build audience anticipation for each character, how you communicate and celebrate their arrival in the game, and how you bring this universe into the game (and how you sell it too). Marketing is also about clearly communicating the updates coming to the game and treating your community with respect and honesty regarding any issues that may arise. And for this, there needs to be a development team aligned so that both can deliver what they say and promise, while being open to listening to the community and implementing improvements in game balance. Thats it. Anyone who has played MultiVersus knows its potential and greatness, but unfortunately, the game's management has yet to reach the level of excellence needed for it to grow and thrive.
I’m sorry but you’re the reason this game will die, why do you waste your money on a game that will most likely get shut down in a year and does nothing to please their players
Just wreckless spending your money on skins. You're the person this game was created for. Keep playing and keep buying skins and I hope you know you're the reason it died. Because this game was created to target people wallets and everyone who gave in killed it for the people who wanted to have fun
What also needs to be said, is that the devs and project community managers are horrible at promoting their own game outside of big events or new season content. For example, NAKAT (who is almost like a face of multiversus) along with Ajax, NEVER PLAY THEIR OWN GAME. When NAKAT is live on twitch, he plays every other game live, but multiversus. Some would say, "well he works on the game all day and might not want to play it on stream for that reason" however, people like Maximillion Dood, creator of the MvCI&Beyond (Marvel vs Capcom Infinite Mod) are willing to play their own creation on stream and promote it. Maximillion has done a better job showcasing his MOD for a game he doesnt even get paid from, than the whole team of multiversus has ever done showcasing why multiversus is a good game to play.
Funny I saw one of those two hyping the game on Twitter, saying he likes the new character and is playing them in his free time. Ignoring whether or not he can or should bust out the upcoming stuff on stream, he sure isn't being consistent between statements and actions.
I agree Nakat has been streaming marvel rivals and smash recently. I would understand if he played multi for a few hours doing community stuff and answering questions from sane people ofc. But he just plays the game normally and thinks he’s doing something by playing customs with tournament/more known streamer players. I’d like him to do community events as a community manager promoting the party games but also running small tournaments on his stream to represent both sides. I’ve never heard about the marvel vs capcom mod dev but just from you giving some insight it looks like he’s done more than the entire multiverse team💀
@@prestonpowell9222 And that's the problem. The inconsistency of how, not just Nakat, but most of PFG only post some things here and there, but you never see them streaming their game and really going all out for it.
@@MF_MAJIN I've seen him play smash and not only that, when rivals of aether 2 dropped, he was streaming that. He has streamed those two games, more times than he streamed his own platformer. Now of course just because he works on multiversus, doesn't mean he can't like other platformers, but you would think one would at least allocate SOME TIME to their OWN game and community. I mean setting aside 1-2 hours a day to just play the game with your community and vibe with people to get them excited about YOUR game, should not be that hard, seeing how he's doing the same thing, just never while playing multiversus.
@ I agree I’d think with the controversy and player morale around the game he’d think of getting players together to do events or ask his higher ups to be able to take Q&As in stream. Especially since shields have been out for a month. I’m not tryna be an arm chair dev but for the problems in the game are so apparent I gotta be in my arm chair dev phase.
I’ve been playing multiversus since the relaunch and I gotta say, it’s so god damn depressing. -5 months of waiting for the same terrible stability that crashes all the time -The same god awful shitty maps (it’s even worse if you go unranked) -Characters still having the same bugs since launch -Shitty hitboxes that punishes you for trying to punish someone -And last and most in my opinion is the lack of any new perks, that added so much variety and it’s just gutted.)
I played both the beta and the relaunch. I enjoyed both, and I'll be honest, I barely gave them the 2nd chance for that fake stunt of "we never went full release" before was taken out. And after I think a week or two of grinding for Jack, I just gave up. Which sucks because the gameplay can be fun, and the work animators have gone through with it is honestly impressive... But God, this grindy system and how annoying it is to unlock characters is PAINFUL. You don't make a game to be a second job. If you want to make people invest time is understandable, but the amount needed for every single thing is so annoying. Events, battle pass, characters... Two weeks in S2 had enough, and havent touched the game since
I'm sorry bro did you forget them slowing the game down by at least 30% across the board? That's been the biggest L imo game use to be fun and fast paced in beta, now it feels like every character is in mud
Bro they keep adding events that give you perk currency and since relaunch they've removed more perks than they added. The devs wanted us to quit this unfulfilling game
Fighter road is actually a lot faster than fighter currency, but the problem of not being able to choose who you unlock outside of a microscopic prechosen 3 character pool per level, on top of locking all the newest fighters until the very end, is still enough to make it a worse system than Fighter Currency was
Since MVS is trying so hard to be a gacha game, they might as well implement a Banner system. I bet it would be faster way to get characters than Fighter Road.
@@leyendaarg Most gacha games are notorious for their gambling-like micro transactions. And multiversus has some of those mechanics like: >multiple currencies that the player must earn, plus a premium currency that can be bought with real money. >the player progression is intentionally made very grindy to force players to play more or pay up with real money to progress. >cash shop where you buy the premium currency or convert one currency to another. >characters being locked then giving players an option to play those locked characters in a time-limited matter to entice players. There might be some other I missed, but WB being as they are, had the gacha model in mind after seeing the success of games like Genshin Impact are with this model.
@@BenetteG You're really making a biiiiiiig stretch you know how many games have a premium currency and are not anywhere near a gacha game? The "grindy" part it's always an exaggeration it literally took me 3 days of playing to get Raven and then other 3 to get Marceline. A less active player would take a week and a even less active player might take 2 weeks The multiple cureencies while not great are not something you "must" earn, you get the perk one as you play to buy perks for your characters, gleamium to buy cosmetics or characters and prestige that you get when you buy things to, but other things And I don't see why everyone is so mad at buying the character and bening able to play 3 days before. It's not a big deal This is not nearly close to be a gacha game, in those you buy a random chance to get a character or item on banners per try
Once I saw they ruined my Velma and added 5 different currencies with like 3 paid currencies I checked out. They had gold with the beta but failed completely
i hate that nobody else mentions this. they think they can shut the game down for half a year and we will all just forget. blatant stealing progression/cosmetics/unlocks that were largely gained from real life money is exactly why i will never re download this game
I give Multiversus another 6 months, maybe a year before it shuts down. Definitely don't see it going beyond 2025. I said before that if they add Mortal Kombat characters, I'll give it another install but given how difficult new characters are now to unlock w/o paying, that won't be enough for me anymore.
As someone who spent way too much time playing this game and was obsessed with it for an amount of time yeah I agree with everything you said in this video. I recently uninstalled after playing it religiously for months. Multiversus Had so much potential that, unfortunately, has been squandered
@ and while PFG wasn’t owned by Warner the licensing cost way more, hence why they ended up being bought by Warner, and any debt that PFG had beforehand is now being taken on by Warner
@@majrgaming2633 if WB knew that this game was gonna underperform than they shouldn’t have bought pfg but am honestly curious to what WB is gonna do with PFG, are they gonna shut down? Layoff employees? Tell them to developed something that’s original? Develop something that belongs to them? Or keep working on MVS?
@@Fireandice24567 I mean what game other than like Fortnite is gonna bring in enough money to pay off 10’s of millions of dollars in under 6 months on skins alone? They probably just planned on taking the loss and keeping on going, i highly doubt MVS costs that much to keep running comparatively to other games, i mean look at MK1, that game is underperforming yet is still getting licensed characters like Ghostface that probably cost a lot of money
@@majrgaming2633 most likely it didn’t underperform badly as they thought, now hear this a credible MK leaker by the name fate confirmed mortal kombat 1 support will be ending after kombat pack 2 is complete. The reason why is because the khaos realm expansion pack underperformed WB expectations. Now most likely this game will suffer the same fate if any the seasons they release underperformed but who knows if this game is really cheap enough to receive WBs continue support for that to happen
What sucks is that MultiVersus always had a lot of potential. The animation team perfectly captures the essence of each character. There are plenty of throwbacks to the source material. They get the original VAs to reprise their roles. But the game is ultimately held back by the terribly predatory progression system, inexperienced and small team and minuscule budget, which results in a lot of bugs and server issues. Frankly, if they went the Marvel Rivals route and made every character free by default, and only focusing microtransactions for skins, I think MultiVersus would get a lot more traction and playerbase back. Or _at the very least_ let players choose who they unlock in the Fighter Road. I frankly don't think the game will die so soon. All in all it is a good marketing tool for Warner Bros. to flex all the IPs they own, and it can be used to make cross-promotion with films and other media. Beetlejuice launching alongside the second film was a good strategy, for instance.
When you're rapidly scrolling thhrough the characters in the fighter road at 13:47 you can see them t-posing for a second before they load in. That's the multiversus polish.
I also spent 100 USD on the Founder's Pass. I gave them money because of how FAIR the monetization was during the beta. WB doesn't seem to comprehend that treating your customers like crap means they won't come back. I reinstalled MVS for Raven, and when I went to unlock Raven, I assumed they had deleted my tickets, so I uninstalled it. I can't believe they moved the ticket purchase to a separate menu. I literally reinstalled the game, I was ready to give it another chance and their UI made me uninstall. WB just hates money, apparently; they got my initial $100, but not a cent more since then.
Tbf, the beta WAS still referred to as the beta in various spots. For instance, if you were trying to get into the game, that whole time period you were signing up to a beta, and supposedly that was the reason you needed a Warner Bros account (I think I still had to make one on re-launch).
I agree so much about the desperate greed in the UI, like they're really not dodging the Payer First Games insult at all. Fighter Road is just Fighter Currency with bigger numbers and less choice.
@frank8917 Jason was honestly the only good character added because he didn't really have a monkey's paw moment happen when he was announced. (Jack, raven, and marcy got added after everyone realized that the relaunch was shit. And jack and raven were exclusive to the bp for a few months as another monkey's paw moment.)
Also agent smith had a monkey's paw moment too, because he was exclusive to a mini bp event for a while that was very grindy and no one could complete. (Yeah he was added normally for everyone later but still)
Took the words right out of my mouth my brother. I didnt even know about that vote to not use shields at the tournament but that is sooo freaking hilarious xp
It feels like the game WANTS you to hate it. Fighter XP on the surface is a good idea and sounds like a grind that *should* be faster than Fighter Currency, but in reality it takes longer to get, forces you to theorize ways to maximize XP gained (which modes give more, skins, etc.) and (worst of all) makes stockpiling for the next fighter impossible. When new fighters come out, I ACTIVELY AVOID playing the game for 3 days, hopping on to see the new event, look over the Battle Pass/Shop, and then try the new character in the Lab, the only place I can try them out. If I play even a few matches, there's a chance I lose out on anywhere between 100-1,000 Fighter XP, not including certain missions or Battle Pass tiers. That sucks. Elusive Skins have died down as a controversial topic, but I still don't get why they need to be there. They want event/timed exclusive skins/cosmetics, which honestly isn't terrible if done right. Before Agent Smith's code variant was exclusive to the rift missions from season 1, a good looking variant that isn't massively different like some Epic or Legendary skins but valuable to the right people. Now we have basically normal skins that would be Epic or Legendary getting the Elusive tag, with the added price comparison from event shops. They give you *just * enough tickets/tokens/whatever currency to get 1 Elusive skin if you dump all 6 into it, and have the option to buy X amount that just so happens to match up with how many Elusive skins are there. It's like they take 1 step forward, then tumble back 3 steps. Events now give you the option to choose what skins you want instead of the fixed variant AND are generally of higher quality. But the event requires major grinding and now has extremely expensive rewards that force you to grind harder. New stages and characters are transferred to Multiversus with their artstyle amazingly and make the hodge-podge of characters and genres mesh together. But those characters take forever to unlock, have caused huge bugs to crop up, and for some reason still have wonky hitboxes. This fanbase too is on another level. I get it's twitter, a place for scourge to prosper, but it feels like the playerbase is more upset with other players than they are with the game. The sentiment that you should spend money on the game if you play it a lot and if you don't it's YOUR fault the game that shoots itself in the foot at the start of every season dies is incredibly frustrating. Yes, there are people who just want the game to fail, but shaming the people who do want it to succeed and play the game actively just not while spending much/any money is not going to make people join the community of again a FREE-TO-PLAY game. Look, I love this game, the beta got me but ultimately lost my interest a few months in, and the new launch kept me longer with the consistent new characters that I personally like and creative movesets for some of my favorite classic characters. But this was THE season to get heads turning and make a difference, and although Marceline and Raven turned plenty of new heads to the game, the new changes brought up so many more concerns and problems that pushed away a lot of people giving it a chance.
The fighter road was copied from a mobile game called brawl stars, except that they didn't copy some of the better features the original concept had. In brawl stars, the same linear road with choices is available, but the later parts have question marks between the choices, those question marks are filled by the characters you rejected previously, adding a more dynamic selection rather than a single preset one. Also, I'm not sure, but I think the selection of characters and their positioning is selected randomly at first. But most importly, in brawl stars, once a new character comes out, you get the choice and incentive to abandon the current grind and transfer all of it to the newest character. The point is that a lot of the grind in brawl stars is rather dynamic and forgiving, even if it's still a grind, but in multiversus, the grind is static and preset, designed to keep the nicer stuff away from your reach.
It shouldn’t have been so hard. You had a case study of a great game (smash bros ultimate), multiple IPs with some big nostalgic names, the initial hype, Player First games had it all. And they still messed up. All because of a shitty progression system.
The Beta got me because of Tom and Jerry, I main Tom and Jerry, or I did. Now Marceline is out, I now main Marceline , she is my highest level character.
You have to literally make a Warner Bros. games account to play the game, and also tjey haven't fixed the input delay whereas Nick ASB 2 has a faster combat system and just requires logging in your console. MV was doomed to fail.
You should play Rivals of Aether 2, all characters are free, "battle pass" events are free, the devs are really experienced with platform fighter game design, you can do old events whenever you like, and while the roster is on the smaller side right now due to being an indie that just launched, and the characters are just flat out fun and besides a couple of them that wear their smash bros influence on their sleeve the rest of the cast have insanely creative and unique movesets. I always prefer supporting indies over big companies and Rivals is a project that deserves that support.
3:58 its so while your scrolling to unlock a character your more likely to buy something from the other stores. They are hoping a skin or something catches your eye on the way down
Absurd that it hasn't even been a year. I reinstalled this Fall after forgetting about the beta being offline. I stared at menus for like 20 minutes confused as to why I had to unlock Batman and Finn again, and just went to bed without answers. I appreciate your updates and analysis and the many different angles you consider, even if you yourself don't claim a high level of play pvp wise.
A pro player Named Tymier once said “ Player first games is a company with false promises.. they take way to long to update something people are complaining about, and are listening to the wrong people “
You described me exactly when you talked about the fighter road grind. I installed the game to play as raven when the season launched and when I found out I had to go through every single character before I could get her I uninstalled immediately
Why I would love to grind 200 hours to play the character I want, as opposed to playing literally whoever I feel like in Marvel Rivals whenever I feel like it. Sign me up!
Ex-Master Rick player here. I dropped MultiVersus roughly 2 months ago after soaking about 200 or so hours into it ever since it relaunched, and haven't looked back, as it really sucks how nearly every update is just killing the game further and further. The overmonetization, the unnecessary buffs/nerfs that characters receive, the cramped roster that you have to actively grind for to get one character who you probably don't even want, etc. This is all just my opinion, but there may be some people who agree with me on the points I make here. - The sheer amount of DC characters. Nearly every season, we've gotten a new DC character now. Am I the only one who thinks there's too many of them in the game? And nearly every single one of them are crazy overpowered in some way? It feels like the Fire Emblem characters in Smash Ultimate. - The game feels hella sluggish now. This is probably the most common point made about how 2.0 is worse than 1.0, as it feels like the whiplash that Smash Bros Melee players had when they played Smash Bros Brawl when it first dropped. I feel like the dodging is actively worse now than it was in 1.0. Sometimes I actively mash the button to get out of moves and it still doesn't work. Call it a skill issue if you'd like, but it's just a little pet peeve of mine. I don't know if other characters had this issue, but I swear, I kept getting phantom hits as Rick with some moves, and it's even costed me some games. (For those who don't know what phantom hits are, it's a term in Smash Bros Melee where you hit someone with a very powerful move, like a smash attack, but the knock back isn't dealt, only the damage.) Also I swear, the automatic tech has gotten me roped into another combo more often than it has saved me. Why can't they just make it manual? - I despise the new "Play lame, win game" playstyle. I imagine everyone hates this, but thanks to the removal of hit decay (the more you spam a move, the worse its knockback and damage becomes), you can just spam cheap asf moves and just win almost every match. I watched a friend of mine play Shaggy while he was drunk, and he won an entire comp match by ONLY using side special (it was low-key hilarious, he was screaming "SIDE B" over and over again). That just shows that you can spam certain special moves and just win. Doesn't help that many characters had (or probably still have) infinite chain combos that guarantee a stock. Like, come on, man. There's definitely more points I missed as to why this game is just dead now, and my opinions probably won't be liked by many, but again, it's all just my opinion. I wish this game could be better, but unfortunately, they got a little greedy with it (WB mainly, PFG meant well).
8:04 I didn't know how it worked exactly because I've everyone but Marcie by now. So... they make you choose something you deliberately DIDN'T CHOOSE BEFORE?! Ok, this is more asinine than I thought it was.
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(Bit of a Yapper comment incoming.) As someone who stopped playing MultiVersus entirely this season, I’ve gotta admit too. The game is in a horrible state. Gameplay’s good, but everything else….god it’s so bad. And it’s practically everyone’s fault ATP: PFG: They’re a talented group of people that’re trying to innovate the platform fighter scene, but they’re fumbling the bag so hard. The horrid relaunch with the transition to UE5, the game’s nonexistent marketing, and especially them having no idea what they want the game to be. They can’t decide what they want the game to be ATP, so they’re just doing things other popular games have done and are just HOPING people play the game again. WB: Zaslav’s general greediness by shoving in the absurd monetisation for it. It’s more infuriating for me because I feel everyone is just saying it’s PFG’s fault for being “greedy”, WHEN ZASLAV IS RIGHT THERE! We HAVE another excuse to hate the guy, but everyone’s instead going for the easier victim (PFG) Ajax and NAKAT: The two don’t even play the game. They’re “ambassadors”, yet they do jack all in promoting it on stuff like Twitch or whatnot. Generally, I think MultiVersus had the chance to be great. It’s an opinion everyone has: the game could’ve been something much better. But Zaslav’s greediness and PFG’s general cluelessness on what the game should be have pretty much doomed it entirely. I give MultiVersus at least another few months or so so it can last a year, then WB chooses to end it. And in all honesty? I really wouldn’t blame the internet for rejoicing in celebration for the game’s end
Wait I'm sorry. You're saying the EVO CHAMP for Multiversus, who streams the game every day on his free time, doesn't play the game? Also yeah a lot of (If not, all) decision making is def WB/Zaslav's fault not PFG.
Honestly I feel like if the game was like 15-20 dollars and every character was free and they focused more on the combat and fixes to how it works, rather than storymode and character/money grinding. It'd be better, I feel like it being a free game where you have to grind for everyone is worse than if it cost money that you could just get every character for free with, but with battlepasses for skins, etc.
I theorized that shields being added was a way to draw in some of the smash playerbase, my brother who plays in local smash tournaments who couldn't care less about multiversus, started talking about it one day because of the shield system being worked on for the game and showed some genuine interest in playing as it became just a tad closer to smash
Warner Bros genuinely hurts me because they own both Cartoon Network and DC which have my all time favorite IPs, and they constantly make a mess over and over. I hate that company so much
Ever since the announcement of MVS I've been really hoping for Ben 10 to be added, but it's just now occurring to me that even if they add him, there's no way I'm gonna be able to play as him without buying stuff :(
Multiversus feels like watching an expensive sportscar being driven by a teenager who just got their license. You've got an amazing machine here and you're doing everything in your power to scratch the paint, break the suspension, and ruin the upholstery before you inevitably crash into a tree.
I genuinely cant wait for this game to die. All these people will do anything to gaslight you into believing the game is great when all of the characters are running around missing 5 moves before being punished and people would rather time you out than play the game. Weirdo playerbase fr
Yeah I never even heard of this game but saw raven was in it and downloaded it and it’s a lot of fun but…can’t play raven unless I pay or unlock a bunch of characters I don’t care about lol this games lore with monetization and grinding goes so deep
they genuinely dont know how to fix the game, every time i play i run into a issue , glitch, or just awful gameplay lag. the hit/hurt boxes are inconsistent, the ringout barrier is broken and the characters are very unbalanced. sad but its reality
17:27 We live in a weird time where if you like something, you're expected to champion everything it does. You're supposed to overlook its shortcomings, always give the devs the benefit of a doubt and say _"I'm sure they'll fix this, so I'm not holding it against the game", or you deflect by pointing to a game that did it worse... and you're not supposed to hold something you enjoy to the highest standard, because being a fan means you just take it as it is and enjoy it... because the way TH-cam has conditioned people, you're only supposed to be critical of things you don't like, or things that are objectively bad. BUT THAT'S JUST STUPID. I'll NEVER understand our obsession with schadenfreude... Content creators waste SO MUCH TIME talking about games that nobody liked/everyone knew was terrible, that we forgot the entire purpose of being critical. You're not supposed to even engage with something "bad", or that you already knew you weren't going to like. So, there's really no point in being critical of things objectively bad, beyond for the sake of schadenfreude. _Criticism is meant to be reserved for things you actually enjoy, but would like to see improved._ You're not pointing out shortcomings for the sake of a laugh, or because you're a "hater"... You're pointing them out because you care and you'd like to see those things addressed. But if "being a fan" means stanning for every change made and turning a blind eye every time a dev/publisher falls short of expectations, HOW CAN THINGS EVER GET BETTER? If the people who engage with a product THE MOST aren't the loudest and most critical, then how can the devs REALLY know what's working and what isn't?
Unfortunately I think this is just a byproduct of the swift destruction of content as people deconstruct it down to the very barebones of what engages the average curated viewerbase's minds the most. It encourages this kind of feedback since people engage with negative content more.
Honestly the only good thing I can say about the current season is that they actually added characters people really wanted. Everything else almost feels like a downgrade imo. I don’t see this game going over another year honestly
They really need to convert the game into a non-service based game. Create a base roster, put it on a switch cartridge. Take off the live service. That way the game can be preserved after the service goes down when Warner Bros eventually pulls the plug.
Thank you for expressing the community thoughts. I personally think we need a new team working in multiversus PFG and their leader has proven to fail 2 times already, I really feel to fix this game problems we need to take care of the main problems
Gotta love how the winter rift event accidentally gave out 111 of the event currency allowing everyone who completed it fast enough to just clear out the store without spending a cent (unfortunately no Elusives)
I think, unironically, that the best thing that could possibly happen to this game would be to get shut down, have an offline version still active, recieve a well made fan revival done by a group of talented fans (akin to MvC:I&B or FusionFall Legacy/Retro) which could stay active for 2 years max before inevitably getting a cease & desist from WB Discovery. I don't have enough faith left in me that PFG can salvage this beautiful mess anymore.
Fighter Road would be great if only it was a way to unlock characters IN ADDITION to Figuter Currency. You'd play and save fighter currency to actively unlock a character of your choosing... And Fighter road would passively help you unlock characters. That would help unlock characters faster, not slower.
The character road works exactly like in brawlstar. But in that game the pass is 8 dollars. Come with a free brawler under a certain rarity of your choice. And when a new character release you can choose to unlock him first. Wich let you get the character you want if you were there at the release. And paying allow you to get some character down the road faster.
Not gonna lie, I played the game for a few months all frustrated about the grind, so i inevitably dropped the game and picked up dbd. I was absolutely blown away how I didn't need to dedicate 3 hours to progress two spots on the battle pass and how I can have unlimited access to all the tasks and challenges at all times. Multiversus sets a god awful example as to how game progression should be handled.
I feel like to fix the fighter road, it would be awesome to take inspiration from brawl stars and its “star road”. Every time a new fighter is released, you can switch the progress of whatever fighter you currently are unlocking and move it towards the new character.
The red flags were flying since day one. But people still swarmed it in droves because of Brand Recognition, and now that more of its userbase are realizing the unspoken promises that "it will get better" were all lies, it's become yet another case of the only reason people keep coming back is because of the Sunk Cost Fallacy / Boiling Frog experiment / Slow Break-Up etc. You see it way too often. They can't just step away and see it for the dumpster fire it is, because they've had so long to get used to it. Any new fuck-up isn't "look at this mountain of trash", it's "oh just one more thing for the pile". The scale is out of perspective.
From an outsider looking in, having stumbled on this video, it just sounds like dark patterns, the video game. So. Many. Anti-consumer. Practices. Jeeez.
I agree, gameplay wise its generally pretty solid and i love crossover games. but some people hate it due to predatory microtransactions and other bad decisions.
Course correction should have happened during open launch. Each season since then has been nothing more than a “carrot on a stick” situation, and there’s only so much patience one can take from a company who constantly back tracks and lies about their road map and intentions
I want this game to succeed but the fundamentals of the game are confusing and the hit boxes/netcode are terrible. This is my first platform fighter I’ve played other fighting games before and know a little bit of what’s punishable and what’s not. But in multi the prioritization system didn’t make sense to me as new player months ago and still doesn’t. I have opponents getting dropped out of my attacks randomly and it feels like characters who are “low tier” aren’t necessarily low tier because of their attacks but because other characters have better prioritization then them or have little to no end lag. Am I wrong here or am I onto something that isn’t spoken about that compared to other fighting games don’t have these issues like that.
Naw I think you’re right. This is the only fighting game I’ve played where it feels artificially unfair. The amount of bad hit boxes and move drop outs is crazy. It’s almost like every match I play, I’m questioning how I got hit or how my move didn’t hit the other person 🥲…
@@blackg3gaming you and me both. It confuses me how some characters are able to get away with attacks that in any other fighting game they wouldn’t be able to. I feel bad for people who main the “low tier characters” cause if they were to play a low tier smash character really well they would be rewarded more for their skill instead of rng. I main Batman and I know he was broken before and I knew that but in the position he’s in now he’s not fun to play only because of how prioritization works. All my attacks get out prioritized even if I throw an attack a frame earlier. There’s only a few Batman players in grandmaster and masters but I know they’re not playing the way any character should be played in a fighting game. That’s by playing passive and abusing hitboxes. I’ve gave up playing Batman cause I’m not gonna change my play style because the game doesn’t want me to play the way I want to play. The only thing that should stop me from playing how I want to play is another player reading me or who’s just better than me.
That IGN tweet is a half lie, because they completely omitted that WB plans to keep the game going despite the revenue problem because it has a lot of ips attached to it Now if only they eased up on the penny pinching instead of doubling down each season
Hot take, but I think the game itself has some insane gameplay issues that is holding it back more so than any monetization strategy (although monetization is fucked). It feels far too floaty due to the fact that hitstop on attacks lasts ages, the speed at which you get knocked back can be wayyyy too slow at lower percents and doesn’t feel tuned properly, and air attack animations persisting even when you’re already on the ground makes this game feel genuinely horrible to play and makes it kind of hideous from a spectator perspective. I know, different strokes for different folks and some people may enjoy these aspects of the game or call them features but the vast majority of people I’ve talked to about this game all have the same issues. And there are ways to make these features actually work (I.E Brawlhalla actually has the same floaty vibe and non land-cancelling air attacks but it feels much faster, clean, and crisp to play). I don’t think the only thing holding this game back is monetization. The experience has never actually felt that good to play, or at least not good enough to keep people playing in the format of a live service. People want to play games for fun, not just to possibly unlock stuff they may or may not use, the idea that people aren’t playing the game itself because of the battle pass seems like a misdirection to me.
This is a really well done video, and a lot of points being recapped for a person like myself who doesn't play this game because of the egregious monetization and character acquisition is really appreciated! The points themselves are great too, keep it up RVR!
I really do like playing this game but sometimes it really is like pulling teeth trying to sit down and have fun you either run into someone who keeps running in place and doesn't ever actually attack you, spams one move over and over until they can combo you off the map, you can rarely just ever sit down with the game and play casually
It's crazy how all these companies that have access to all these IPS fumble the ball so frequently when they could be making bank with everything they have.
Marvel Rivals. 33 characters. All playable at launch. I started playing Multiversus in beta but bowed out at the beginning of season 3. Yes you get enough gleamium for the next pass by playing the current one, but in season 3 they put like 70% of it between levels 61-69. Basically forcing you to grind the entire season.
This is a great concept that was being developed as best as it could but WB is just so fucking greedy and hungry for a Live Service that its just impenetrable.
Multiversus TRIED to be the Marvel Rivals to Smash Ultimate If I had a nickel for every "killer game" for my current game, I'd have 2 nickels Which isn't a lot but it's weird it happened twice
Nickelodeon All Star Brawl walked, so that Muiltiversus could run, then trip, then ultimately lose the race
I think the second one didn't play too bad, but I always hated the mobile-game ass graphics of those games.
@@gligarguy4010the graphics of the second game are really good though. For how hard getting 2D characters to work in 3D, especially for certain shows like Danny Phantom, My Life as a Teenage Robot, and ESPECIALLY Ren and Stimpy, they did amazingly.
I love nasb 2. Wish more people played it. El Tigre was done right in that game 😌
Nasb 1 has the stupidest movement in any platfighter with the airdash, Nasb 2 has both a really good implementation of meter and freaking roman cancels, peak kusoges. Hope the devs get bigger budgets and less pushback from Nick next go around, they are clearly talented.
Both were trash.
Its crazy how the game itself is decent, but the progression is genuinely SO BAD that it kills the game.
So true 😔 i love cartoon network and dc but the grind is too much
Its insane how they expect you to no life this game for months to finish the battle pass
@@heathcIiff_LCB girl when was the last time you played this game??? the battlepass is completed easily by doing dailies and weekly missions, and those take like an hour at most, fighters road is an actual issue and you complaining about the battlepass of all things???
@@heathcIiff_LCB The BP is generous. With barely any play, I could complete it with 20ish days to go.
My experience has been the opposite: easy progression but mundane because of the janky core gameplay.
I reinstalled this game when raven dropped just for her, and when i understood how the fighter road worked i instantly uninstalled again and havent looked back
It's designed like the starr road from brawl stars but in brawl stars you can randomly get a brawlers you aren't unlocking and the brawlers arent based on super popular characters that some people might only download the game to play
Also when brawl stars adds a new character you have the option to move your credits to them so you can play them too
@@iluvchess14736 Ok?
I wanna reinstall the game after learning Marceline is now on the game
Or just get blessed by Starr drops and get a good stack of credits or a whole brawler, I had a friend who got Kenji just as they were working towards unlocking him @@iluvchess14736
Literally same. Mind you when the game first dropped for their beta or whatever I got the deluxe with like 20 character tokens and once I saw a leak saying Raven is going to be a character I was saving them and then I return and my tokens nowhere to be found… robbery I’m fearing.
I hate seeing this game fail because conceptually it's cool, but on the other hand seeing David Zaslav's plans for a live service WB Games empire being drug through the dirt again and again is so satisfying. Since Discovery Plus just won't die the man's gotta take an L somewhere.
Will David Zaslav ever learn from any of his mistakes?
@@kermitgotthesickkicks4265 Definitely not 🤦♂️
Whats the beef with David? /gen
@@tritonhill9684 He cancelled Coyote vs Roadrunner post production as it was set to go to theaters and removed both Tiny toon adventures and Animaniacs off of hulu & still has not put these shows on max in their full uncensored glory. And that's just the beginning.
@@tritonhill9684 also he cancelled Batgirl which was in the same situation as Coyote VS Acme, and was INSISTENT that The Flash get released despite everything that happened with Ezra Miller.
I feel Multiversus should have just been paid. No F2P
The ammount of grind and over monetization that the game has under the excuse of being F2P was oneo my mayor turn offs.
Also just wanna point out Marvel Rivals released with all their characters free from start andwill continue to do so....and lo and behold its doing NUMBERS
Not really fair to bring up Marvel Rivals considering it has 10x the budget and is in a genre that has proven to work in a live service format.
@@Billymaysx Yeah Overwatch proved that it can. A fighting game like this meanwhile needs to be strong from the start. This is why Smash, Tekken, and Street Fighter are successful.
@@Billymaysx WB has the money to invest in countless IP and could easily spend the right budget for this kind of game.
@@StarMechV They don't want to because it would be considered too big of a risk. Fighting games generally don't retain well. Same thing happened with Sparkling Zero recently.
Marvel Rivals is in a genre that has proven to be successful. Overwatch, a team shooter with a 22% rating on Steam still pulls 30k players. That is double the players Brawlhalla has, AKA the leading Platform Fighter live service game in the genre.
@@Billymaysx and that 30k is only on one platform who knows how much it has on console and battle net (which is said to be the main way pc players play it)
Marvel Rivals is what I wanted Multiverses to be (In terms of simplicity and monetization fairness) Im over 100 hours in with Marvel Rivals and only played a few hours of Multiverses
I’m so sad that my darling Batman was left behind while my darling Spider-Man is feasting.
@@themonkeyisland2208shut up
rivals is only fun for bad players. the matchmaking cheats to get shitters to spend more money.
@ I don’t gaf about your opinion 😇
@BenFoster-cx4em how does matchmaking make you spend money????
Also I hate how the game makes it so that when you win, on other people screens you’re not moving, or you just jump off the stage. What the hell is the point of taunts if we can’t use them at the end of a match. When else would we be able to use them?
You could ask the same about Smash Bros aswell, and i don't agree. To me the problem isn't really the ending screen not letting you use taunts, it's the fact that it's so long in the first place. Just let people skip.
I made a reddit post about this and a dev messaged me back, he claimed it's a bug they couldn't fix for seasons, something something unreal engine
@@stardarkkit was working until id say season 3 for me. Idk if it’s really a bug or just a “bug” to appease the ego’s of those who were crying from ppl tbagging them
Wait what. People don’t see your taunts after a victory?
@@BlkSpyDa not unless ur standing still and do it RIGHT when the match ends
I truly love this game, and even with the mistakes they make. But one thing is very clear and needs to be fixed immediately for this game to succeed and not die: they need to change the marketing and development teams. The marketing team uses old and outdated strategies, and besides failing to do the basic communication for a game, they don’t communicate game updates clearly and in advance. Many times, these updates don’t work because of issues on the developers’ side.
The only thing that saves this game is the art team (character design, skins, dialogues, environments, stages, cosmetics, animation, etc.).If marketing and dev teams will not be aligned, this game will not grow. Marketing isn’t just about choosing the next characters for the game but about how you build audience anticipation for each character, how you communicate and celebrate their arrival in the game, and how you bring this universe into the game (and how you sell it too). Marketing is also about clearly communicating the updates coming to the game and treating your community with respect and honesty regarding any issues that may arise.
And for this, there needs to be a development team aligned so that both can deliver what they say and promise, while being open to listening to the community and implementing improvements in game balance. Thats it.
Anyone who has played MultiVersus knows its potential and greatness, but unfortunately, the game's management has yet to reach the level of excellence needed for it to grow and thrive.
Laboom! Vc aqui?
@@yagotoons2501 kkkk Oi 🤓
@@yagotoons2501 Oi 😁😁
I’m sorry but you’re the reason this game will die, why do you waste your money on a game that will most likely get shut down in a year and does nothing to please their players
Just wreckless spending your money on skins. You're the person this game was created for. Keep playing and keep buying skins and I hope you know you're the reason it died. Because this game was created to target people wallets and everyone who gave in killed it for the people who wanted to have fun
What also needs to be said, is that the devs and project community managers are horrible at promoting their own game outside of big events or new season content. For example, NAKAT (who is almost like a face of multiversus) along with Ajax, NEVER PLAY THEIR OWN GAME. When NAKAT is live on twitch, he plays every other game live, but multiversus. Some would say, "well he works on the game all day and might not want to play it on stream for that reason" however, people like Maximillion Dood, creator of the MvCI&Beyond (Marvel vs Capcom Infinite Mod) are willing to play their own creation on stream and promote it. Maximillion has done a better job showcasing his MOD for a game he doesnt even get paid from, than the whole team of multiversus has ever done showcasing why multiversus is a good game to play.
Funny I saw one of those two hyping the game on Twitter, saying he likes the new character and is playing them in his free time. Ignoring whether or not he can or should bust out the upcoming stuff on stream, he sure isn't being consistent between statements and actions.
I agree Nakat has been streaming marvel rivals and smash recently. I would understand if he played multi for a few hours doing community stuff and answering questions from sane people ofc. But he just plays the game normally and thinks he’s doing something by playing customs with tournament/more known streamer players. I’d like him to do community events as a community manager promoting the party games but also running small tournaments on his stream to represent both sides. I’ve never heard about the marvel vs capcom mod dev but just from you giving some insight it looks like he’s done more than the entire multiverse team💀
@@prestonpowell9222 And that's the problem. The inconsistency of how, not just Nakat, but most of PFG only post some things here and there, but you never see them streaming their game and really going all out for it.
@@MF_MAJIN I've seen him play smash and not only that, when rivals of aether 2 dropped, he was streaming that. He has streamed those two games, more times than he streamed his own platformer. Now of course just because he works on multiversus, doesn't mean he can't like other platformers, but you would think one would at least allocate SOME TIME to their OWN game and community. I mean setting aside 1-2 hours a day to just play the game with your community and vibe with people to get them excited about YOUR game, should not be that hard, seeing how he's doing the same thing, just never while playing multiversus.
@ I agree I’d think with the controversy and player morale around the game he’d think of getting players together to do events or ask his higher ups to be able to take Q&As in stream. Especially since shields have been out for a month. I’m not tryna be an arm chair dev but for the problems in the game are so apparent I gotta be in my arm chair dev phase.
I’ve been playing multiversus since the relaunch and I gotta say, it’s so god damn depressing.
-5 months of waiting for the same terrible stability that crashes all the time
-The same god awful shitty maps (it’s even worse if you go unranked)
-Characters still having the same bugs since launch
-Shitty hitboxes that punishes you for trying to punish someone
-And last and most in my opinion is the lack of any new perks, that added so much variety and it’s just gutted.)
More like removed perks. There were so many things that were missing at the relaunch.
Real. Seems like the beta is always better than the actual game. Happened WAY too much over the past 5 years of gaming.
I played both the beta and the relaunch.
I enjoyed both, and I'll be honest, I barely gave them the 2nd chance for that fake stunt of "we never went full release" before was taken out.
And after I think a week or two of grinding for Jack, I just gave up. Which sucks because the gameplay can be fun, and the work animators have gone through with it is honestly impressive... But God, this grindy system and how annoying it is to unlock characters is PAINFUL.
You don't make a game to be a second job. If you want to make people invest time is understandable, but the amount needed for every single thing is so annoying. Events, battle pass, characters...
Two weeks in S2 had enough, and havent touched the game since
I'm sorry bro did you forget them slowing the game down by at least 30% across the board? That's been the biggest L imo game use to be fun and fast paced in beta, now it feels like every character is in mud
Bro they keep adding events that give you perk currency and since relaunch they've removed more perks than they added. The devs wanted us to quit this unfulfilling game
Fighter road is actually a lot faster than fighter currency, but the problem of not being able to choose who you unlock outside of a microscopic prechosen 3 character pool per level, on top of locking all the newest fighters until the very end, is still enough to make it a worse system than Fighter Currency was
Since MVS is trying so hard to be a gacha game, they might as well implement a Banner system. I bet it would be faster way to get characters than Fighter Road.
@@BenetteGGacha game? What are you even talking about?
@@leyendaarg Most gacha games are notorious for their gambling-like micro transactions. And multiversus has some of those mechanics like:
>multiple currencies that the player must earn, plus a premium currency that can be bought with real money.
>the player progression is intentionally made very grindy to force players to play more or pay up with real money to progress.
>cash shop where you buy the premium currency or convert one currency to another.
>characters being locked then giving players an option to play those locked characters in a time-limited matter to entice players.
There might be some other I missed, but WB being as they are, had the gacha model in mind after seeing the success of games like Genshin Impact are with this model.
@@BenetteG You're really making a biiiiiiig stretch you know how many games have a premium currency and are not anywhere near a gacha game?
The "grindy" part it's always an exaggeration it literally took me 3 days of playing to get Raven and then other 3 to get Marceline. A less active player would take a week and a even less active player might take 2 weeks
The multiple cureencies while not great are not something you "must" earn, you get the perk one as you play to buy perks for your characters, gleamium to buy cosmetics or characters and prestige that you get when you buy things to, but other things
And I don't see why everyone is so mad at buying the character and bening able to play 3 days before. It's not a big deal
This is not nearly close to be a gacha game, in those you buy a random chance to get a character or item on banners per try
So it isn't really a lot faster, gotchu.
Once I saw they ruined my Velma and added 5 different currencies with like 3 paid currencies I checked out. They had gold with the beta but failed completely
I'm still mad i'm missing 73 cosmetics from the beta and then see them put them in a store or a battle pass is kinda annoying.
i hate that nobody else mentions this. they think they can shut the game down for half a year and we will all just forget. blatant stealing progression/cosmetics/unlocks that were largely gained from real life money is exactly why i will never re download this game
I give Multiversus another 6 months, maybe a year before it shuts down. Definitely don't see it going beyond 2025. I said before that if they add Mortal Kombat characters, I'll give it another install but given how difficult new characters are now to unlock w/o paying, that won't be enough for me anymore.
Of COURSE “Pay-Us First Games” would make it ludicrously hard to get anything without forking over cash. Gotta be top 10 greediest companies. WB too.
As someone who spent way too much time playing this game and was obsessed with it for an amount of time yeah I agree with everything you said in this video.
I recently uninstalled after playing it religiously for months.
Multiversus Had so much potential that, unfortunately, has been squandered
I love your animations 😄
I just love a game with characters so varied and who wouldn't appear in other games, so I'm sorry it fails because it's actually full of problems
cornball
that 100 million dollar loss included the cost of Warner Bros buying PFG, which I assume had to be worth at least 30-40 million dollars
Don’t forget the McDonald and nhl adds they had for this game
@ and while PFG wasn’t owned by Warner the licensing cost way more, hence why they ended up being bought by Warner, and any debt that PFG had beforehand is now being taken on by Warner
@@majrgaming2633 if WB knew that this game was gonna underperform than they shouldn’t have bought pfg but am honestly curious to what WB is gonna do with PFG, are they gonna shut down? Layoff employees? Tell them to developed something that’s original? Develop something that belongs to them? Or keep working on MVS?
@@Fireandice24567 I mean what game other than like Fortnite is gonna bring in enough money to pay off 10’s of millions of dollars in under 6 months on skins alone? They probably just planned on taking the loss and keeping on going, i highly doubt MVS costs that much to keep running comparatively to other games, i mean look at MK1, that game is underperforming yet is still getting licensed characters like Ghostface that probably cost a lot of money
@@majrgaming2633 most likely it didn’t underperform badly as they thought, now hear this a credible MK leaker by the name fate confirmed mortal kombat 1 support will be ending after kombat pack 2 is complete. The reason why is because the khaos realm expansion pack underperformed WB expectations. Now most likely this game will suffer the same fate if any the seasons they release underperformed but who knows if this game is really cheap enough to receive WBs continue support for that to happen
What sucks is that MultiVersus always had a lot of potential. The animation team perfectly captures the essence of each character. There are plenty of throwbacks to the source material. They get the original VAs to reprise their roles. But the game is ultimately held back by the terribly predatory progression system, inexperienced and small team and minuscule budget, which results in a lot of bugs and server issues.
Frankly, if they went the Marvel Rivals route and made every character free by default, and only focusing microtransactions for skins, I think MultiVersus would get a lot more traction and playerbase back. Or _at the very least_ let players choose who they unlock in the Fighter Road.
I frankly don't think the game will die so soon. All in all it is a good marketing tool for Warner Bros. to flex all the IPs they own, and it can be used to make cross-promotion with films and other media. Beetlejuice launching alongside the second film was a good strategy, for instance.
When you're rapidly scrolling thhrough the characters in the fighter road at 13:47 you can see them t-posing for a second before they load in. That's the multiversus polish.
Fumbling a game with this many IPs under your belt is insane.
I also spent 100 USD on the Founder's Pass. I gave them money because of how FAIR the monetization was during the beta. WB doesn't seem to comprehend that treating your customers like crap means they won't come back.
I reinstalled MVS for Raven, and when I went to unlock Raven, I assumed they had deleted my tickets, so I uninstalled it. I can't believe they moved the ticket purchase to a separate menu. I literally reinstalled the game, I was ready to give it another chance and their UI made me uninstall. WB just hates money, apparently; they got my initial $100, but not a cent more since then.
I had the same situation happen to me! It's so frustrating because I want to love the game so bad but I cant support it in is current state
I think we all saw the writing on the wall when the "beta" failed so hard that they had to re-release the game and disguise it the official release.
And the rerelease (in the first few months, at least) was somehow *worse* than the beta
Tbf, the beta WAS still referred to as the beta in various spots. For instance, if you were trying to get into the game, that whole time period you were signing up to a beta, and supposedly that was the reason you needed a Warner Bros account (I think I still had to make one on re-launch).
I agree so much about the desperate greed in the UI, like they're really not dodging the Payer First Games insult at all. Fighter Road is just Fighter Currency with bigger numbers and less choice.
Marcy and raven should've been in the relaunch roster day 1. (Especially marcy, like how the hell did a random banana guard get in before her??)
Also them adding a 2nd bp what the hell?!
No wonder why ign recently reported that the game lost a 100 million dollars recently
At least we had Joker and Jason..... and after that Agent Smith
@frank8917 Jason was honestly the only good character added because he didn't really have a monkey's paw moment happen when he was announced. (Jack, raven, and marcy got added after everyone realized that the relaunch was shit. And jack and raven were exclusive to the bp for a few months as another monkey's paw moment.)
Also agent smith had a monkey's paw moment too, because he was exclusive to a mini bp event for a while that was very grindy and no one could complete. (Yeah he was added normally for everyone later but still)
Took the words right out of my mouth my brother. I didnt even know about that vote to not use shields at the tournament but that is sooo freaking hilarious xp
It feels like the game WANTS you to hate it. Fighter XP on the surface is a good idea and sounds like a grind that *should* be faster than Fighter Currency, but in reality it takes longer to get, forces you to theorize ways to maximize XP gained (which modes give more, skins, etc.) and (worst of all) makes stockpiling for the next fighter impossible. When new fighters come out, I ACTIVELY AVOID playing the game for 3 days, hopping on to see the new event, look over the Battle Pass/Shop, and then try the new character in the Lab, the only place I can try them out. If I play even a few matches, there's a chance I lose out on anywhere between 100-1,000 Fighter XP, not including certain missions or Battle Pass tiers. That sucks.
Elusive Skins have died down as a controversial topic, but I still don't get why they need to be there. They want event/timed exclusive skins/cosmetics, which honestly isn't terrible if done right. Before Agent Smith's code variant was exclusive to the rift missions from season 1, a good looking variant that isn't massively different like some Epic or Legendary skins but valuable to the right people. Now we have basically normal skins that would be Epic or Legendary getting the Elusive tag, with the added price comparison from event shops. They give you *just * enough tickets/tokens/whatever currency to get 1 Elusive skin if you dump all 6 into it, and have the option to buy X amount that just so happens to match up with how many Elusive skins are there.
It's like they take 1 step forward, then tumble back 3 steps. Events now give you the option to choose what skins you want instead of the fixed variant AND are generally of higher quality. But the event requires major grinding and now has extremely expensive rewards that force you to grind harder. New stages and characters are transferred to Multiversus with their artstyle amazingly and make the hodge-podge of characters and genres mesh together. But those characters take forever to unlock, have caused huge bugs to crop up, and for some reason still have wonky hitboxes.
This fanbase too is on another level. I get it's twitter, a place for scourge to prosper, but it feels like the playerbase is more upset with other players than they are with the game. The sentiment that you should spend money on the game if you play it a lot and if you don't it's YOUR fault the game that shoots itself in the foot at the start of every season dies is incredibly frustrating. Yes, there are people who just want the game to fail, but shaming the people who do want it to succeed and play the game actively just not while spending much/any money is not going to make people join the community of again a FREE-TO-PLAY game.
Look, I love this game, the beta got me but ultimately lost my interest a few months in, and the new launch kept me longer with the consistent new characters that I personally like and creative movesets for some of my favorite classic characters. But this was THE season to get heads turning and make a difference, and although Marceline and Raven turned plenty of new heads to the game, the new changes brought up so many more concerns and problems that pushed away a lot of people giving it a chance.
The fighter road was copied from a mobile game called brawl stars, except that they didn't copy some of the better features the original concept had.
In brawl stars, the same linear road with choices is available, but the later parts have question marks between the choices, those question marks are filled by the characters you rejected previously, adding a more dynamic selection rather than a single preset one.
Also, I'm not sure, but I think the selection of characters and their positioning is selected randomly at first.
But most importly, in brawl stars, once a new character comes out, you get the choice and incentive to abandon the current grind and transfer all of it to the newest character.
The point is that a lot of the grind in brawl stars is rather dynamic and forgiving, even if it's still a grind, but in multiversus, the grind is static and preset, designed to keep the nicer stuff away from your reach.
It sucks so much balls. How they changed the way we could unlock characters
Or... they could've just stuck with the old system and give 50-60 fighter currency per game played and avoid creating this abomination of convolution.
Your narration and video quality is top class. The multiversus community is blessed to have you ❤🎉
It shouldn’t have been so hard. You had a case study of a great game (smash bros ultimate), multiple IPs with some big nostalgic names, the initial hype, Player First games had it all. And they still messed up. All because of a shitty progression system.
The Beta got me because of Tom and Jerry, I main Tom and Jerry, or I did. Now Marceline is out, I now main Marceline , she is my highest level character.
Mine was garnet… and it’s garnet Jason and shaggy
@@dimitriwarchief301I’m feeling Marceline, Samurai Jack, and Tom and Jerry
You have to literally make a Warner Bros. games account to play the game, and also tjey haven't fixed the input delay whereas Nick ASB 2 has a faster combat system and just requires logging in your console. MV was doomed to fail.
You should play Rivals of Aether 2, all characters are free, "battle pass" events are free, the devs are really experienced with platform fighter game design, you can do old events whenever you like, and while the roster is on the smaller side right now due to being an indie that just launched, and the characters are just flat out fun and besides a couple of them that wear their smash bros influence on their sleeve the rest of the cast have insanely creative and unique movesets. I always prefer supporting indies over big companies and Rivals is a project that deserves that support.
The game is not free. You still have to pay for the initial price.
@@cardinmalone4974 I didn't say the game was free.
Rivals 2 is a good one
It's good but way too dry and ruthless for me. I feel like I need 160 APM just to move around.
3:58 its so while your scrolling to unlock a character your more likely to buy something from the other stores. They are hoping a skin or something catches your eye on the way down
Absurd that it hasn't even been a year. I reinstalled this Fall after forgetting about the beta being offline. I stared at menus for like 20 minutes confused as to why I had to unlock Batman and Finn again, and just went to bed without answers. I appreciate your updates and analysis and the many different angles you consider, even if you yourself don't claim a high level of play pvp wise.
Well deserved, they don’t respect their players. We on Marvel Rivals.
completly diffrent genre of game but true
Nah, marvel rivals has no content. Literally just rank and that's it.
@@georgehernandez2156 your acting like multiverse rift mode is actually good and entertaining lol
@@pablogarcia6188 He’s just coping hard. Another Delulu Multiversus shield
@@pablogarcia6188 Dudes like him don’t use logic
A pro player Named Tymier once said
“ Player first games is a company with false promises.. they take way to long to update something people are complaining about, and are listening to the wrong people “
You’re such an underrated creator I just know your content is gonna blow up one of these days like it deserves to great video as always
You described me exactly when you talked about the fighter road grind. I installed the game to play as raven when the season launched and when I found out I had to go through every single character before I could get her I uninstalled immediately
fr bro
Why I would love to grind 200 hours to play the character I want, as opposed to playing literally whoever I feel like in Marvel Rivals whenever I feel like it. Sign me up!
Ex-Master Rick player here. I dropped MultiVersus roughly 2 months ago after soaking about 200 or so hours into it ever since it relaunched, and haven't looked back, as it really sucks how nearly every update is just killing the game further and further. The overmonetization, the unnecessary buffs/nerfs that characters receive, the cramped roster that you have to actively grind for to get one character who you probably don't even want, etc. This is all just my opinion, but there may be some people who agree with me on the points I make here.
- The sheer amount of DC characters.
Nearly every season, we've gotten a new DC character now. Am I the only one who thinks there's too many of them in the game? And nearly every single one of them are crazy overpowered in some way? It feels like the Fire Emblem characters in Smash Ultimate.
- The game feels hella sluggish now.
This is probably the most common point made about how 2.0 is worse than 1.0, as it feels like the whiplash that Smash Bros Melee players had when they played Smash Bros Brawl when it first dropped. I feel like the dodging is actively worse now than it was in 1.0. Sometimes I actively mash the button to get out of moves and it still doesn't work. Call it a skill issue if you'd like, but it's just a little pet peeve of mine. I don't know if other characters had this issue, but I swear, I kept getting phantom hits as Rick with some moves, and it's even costed me some games. (For those who don't know what phantom hits are, it's a term in Smash Bros Melee where you hit someone with a very powerful move, like a smash attack, but the knock back isn't dealt, only the damage.) Also I swear, the automatic tech has gotten me roped into another combo more often than it has saved me. Why can't they just make it manual?
- I despise the new "Play lame, win game" playstyle.
I imagine everyone hates this, but thanks to the removal of hit decay (the more you spam a move, the worse its knockback and damage becomes), you can just spam cheap asf moves and just win almost every match. I watched a friend of mine play Shaggy while he was drunk, and he won an entire comp match by ONLY using side special (it was low-key hilarious, he was screaming "SIDE B" over and over again). That just shows that you can spam certain special moves and just win. Doesn't help that many characters had (or probably still have) infinite chain combos that guarantee a stock. Like, come on, man.
There's definitely more points I missed as to why this game is just dead now, and my opinions probably won't be liked by many, but again, it's all just my opinion. I wish this game could be better, but unfortunately, they got a little greedy with it (WB mainly, PFG meant well).
8:45 funny you mention it, that’s exactly what I did
Oh what could have been...
Nick all star brawl 2 deserves the money and support multiversus is getting
I forgot this game was even a thing for a second time.
Biggest fumble in gaming oat
8:04 I didn't know how it worked exactly because I've everyone but Marcie by now. So... they make you choose something you deliberately DIDN'T CHOOSE BEFORE?! Ok, this is more asinine than I thought it was.
I had a stroke reading this
@@silly_dev1025 Glad to be of service. Good luck improving your reading comprehension!
Oh wow! I thought you were a creator with a lot more subscribers but when I checked my jaw dropped. im really surprised you only have 3k. Your videos have a lot of effort put into it, I love it! I genuinely wish that you can get more traction soon :)
At this point rivals 2 and Nick brawl 2 are out as much better alternatives. If this game doesn't clean up its act fast, its not going to last long.
(Bit of a Yapper comment incoming.)
As someone who stopped playing MultiVersus entirely this season, I’ve gotta admit too. The game is in a horrible state. Gameplay’s good, but everything else….god it’s so bad. And it’s practically everyone’s fault ATP:
PFG: They’re a talented group of people that’re trying to innovate the platform fighter scene, but they’re fumbling the bag so hard. The horrid relaunch with the transition to UE5, the game’s nonexistent marketing, and especially them having no idea what they want the game to be. They can’t decide what they want the game to be ATP, so they’re just doing things other popular games have done and are just HOPING people play the game again.
WB: Zaslav’s general greediness by shoving in the absurd monetisation for it. It’s more infuriating for me because I feel everyone is just saying it’s PFG’s fault for being “greedy”, WHEN ZASLAV IS RIGHT THERE! We HAVE another excuse to hate the guy, but everyone’s instead going for the easier victim (PFG)
Ajax and NAKAT: The two don’t even play the game. They’re “ambassadors”, yet they do jack all in promoting it on stuff like Twitch or whatnot.
Generally, I think MultiVersus had the chance to be great. It’s an opinion everyone has: the game could’ve been something much better. But Zaslav’s greediness and PFG’s general cluelessness on what the game should be have pretty much doomed it entirely. I give MultiVersus at least another few months or so so it can last a year, then WB chooses to end it. And in all honesty? I really wouldn’t blame the internet for rejoicing in celebration for the game’s end
Wait I'm sorry. You're saying the EVO CHAMP for Multiversus, who streams the game every day on his free time, doesn't play the game?
Also yeah a lot of (If not, all) decision making is def WB/Zaslav's fault not PFG.
The goth girls couldn't save em, that's crazy.
Honestly I feel like if the game was like 15-20 dollars and every character was free and they focused more on the combat and fixes to how it works, rather than storymode and character/money grinding. It'd be better, I feel like it being a free game where you have to grind for everyone is worse than if it cost money that you could just get every character for free with, but with battlepasses for skins, etc.
I theorized that shields being added was a way to draw in some of the smash playerbase, my brother who plays in local smash tournaments who couldn't care less about multiversus, started talking about it one day because of the shield system being worked on for the game and showed some genuine interest in playing as it became just a tad closer to smash
"Girl, I don't know!" 😂😂😂😂😂 That made me holler! LMAO
Not being able to choose the characters to unlock in the fighter road I think was the nail in the coffin
Warner Bros genuinely hurts me because they own both Cartoon Network and DC which have my all time favorite IPs, and they constantly make a mess over and over. I hate that company so much
Ever since the announcement of MVS I've been really hoping for Ben 10 to be added, but it's just now occurring to me that even if they add him, there's no way I'm gonna be able to play as him without buying stuff :(
dude spits truth for 22 minutes straight
Multiversus feels like watching an expensive sportscar being driven by a teenager who just got their license. You've got an amazing machine here and you're doing everything in your power to scratch the paint, break the suspension, and ruin the upholstery before you inevitably crash into a tree.
This game deserves its failure, I do not want it to succeed
Amen
Still bummed that it lowkey sucks… I love the concept but the execution is horrible
Skill issue
why tho
Hater
If the grind wasn't unbearable, I would play this game
I genuinely cant wait for this game to die. All these people will do anything to gaslight you into believing the game is great when all of the characters are running around missing 5 moves before being punished and people would rather time you out than play the game. Weirdo playerbase fr
I hate the generic stages. They feel like they shouldnt be next to the real stages
How fo you make a game, and fail twice
Overwatch:
First time watching your videos, I love how you have a presentation style when you are explaining.
Yeah I never even heard of this game but saw raven was in it and downloaded it and it’s a lot of fun but…can’t play raven unless I pay or unlock a bunch of characters I don’t care about lol this games lore with monetization and grinding goes so deep
It's crazy how hard this game fumbled the bag. From on top of the world to laughingstock
they genuinely dont know how to fix the game, every time i play i run into a issue , glitch, or just awful gameplay lag. the hit/hurt boxes are inconsistent, the ringout barrier is broken and the characters are very unbalanced. sad but its reality
17:27 We live in a weird time where if you like something, you're expected to champion everything it does. You're supposed to overlook its shortcomings, always give the devs the benefit of a doubt and say _"I'm sure they'll fix this, so I'm not holding it against the game", or you deflect by pointing to a game that did it worse... and you're not supposed to hold something you enjoy to the highest standard, because being a fan means you just take it as it is and enjoy it... because the way TH-cam has conditioned people, you're only supposed to be critical of things you don't like, or things that are objectively bad.
BUT THAT'S JUST STUPID. I'll NEVER understand our obsession with schadenfreude... Content creators waste SO MUCH TIME talking about games that nobody liked/everyone knew was terrible, that we forgot the entire purpose of being critical. You're not supposed to even engage with something "bad", or that you already knew you weren't going to like. So, there's really no point in being critical of things objectively bad, beyond for the sake of schadenfreude.
_Criticism is meant to be reserved for things you actually enjoy, but would like to see improved._ You're not pointing out shortcomings for the sake of a laugh, or because you're a "hater"... You're pointing them out because you care and you'd like to see those things addressed. But if "being a fan" means stanning for every change made and turning a blind eye every time a dev/publisher falls short of expectations, HOW CAN THINGS EVER GET BETTER?
If the people who engage with a product THE MOST aren't the loudest and most critical, then how can the devs REALLY know what's working and what isn't?
Unfortunately I think this is just a byproduct of the swift destruction of content as people deconstruct it down to the very barebones of what engages the average curated viewerbase's minds the most. It encourages this kind of feedback since people engage with negative content more.
Honestly the only good thing I can say about the current season is that they actually added characters people really wanted. Everything else almost feels like a downgrade imo. I don’t see this game going over another year honestly
They really need to convert the game into a non-service based game. Create a base roster, put it on a switch cartridge. Take off the live service. That way the game can be preserved after the service goes down when Warner Bros eventually pulls the plug.
Thank you for expressing the community thoughts. I personally think we need a new team working in multiversus PFG and their leader has proven to fail 2 times already, I really feel to fix this game problems we need to take care of the main problems
Honestly MV needs to just copy Rivals whole model. As in make every character free and have all there money come from cosmetics and battle passes
Gotta love how the winter rift event accidentally gave out 111 of the event currency allowing everyone who completed it fast enough to just clear out the store without spending a cent (unfortunately no Elusives)
I think, unironically, that the best thing that could possibly happen to this game would be to get shut down, have an offline version still active, recieve a well made fan revival done by a group of talented fans (akin to MvC:I&B or FusionFall Legacy/Retro) which could stay active for 2 years max before inevitably getting a cease & desist from WB Discovery. I don't have enough faith left in me that PFG can salvage this beautiful mess anymore.
Yeah is definitely pay full price for a more standard version of the game, with paid dlc characters
Fighter Road would be great if only it was a way to unlock characters IN ADDITION to Figuter Currency.
You'd play and save fighter currency to actively unlock a character of your choosing... And Fighter road would passively help you unlock characters.
That would help unlock characters faster, not slower.
The character road works exactly like in brawlstar.
But in that game the pass is 8 dollars. Come with a free brawler under a certain rarity of your choice.
And when a new character release you can choose to unlock him first.
Wich let you get the character you want if you were there at the release. And paying allow you to get some character down the road faster.
Hippie tulok 😂
Not gonna lie, I played the game for a few months all frustrated about the grind, so i inevitably dropped the game and picked up dbd. I was absolutely blown away how I didn't need to dedicate 3 hours to progress two spots on the battle pass and how I can have unlimited access to all the tasks and challenges at all times. Multiversus sets a god awful example as to how game progression should be handled.
It floped when they nerfed LeBron
I feel like to fix the fighter road, it would be awesome to take inspiration from brawl stars and its “star road”. Every time a new fighter is released, you can switch the progress of whatever fighter you currently are unlocking and move it towards the new character.
The red flags were flying since day one. But people still swarmed it in droves because of Brand Recognition, and now that more of its userbase are realizing the unspoken promises that "it will get better" were all lies, it's become yet another case of the only reason people keep coming back is because of the Sunk Cost Fallacy / Boiling Frog experiment / Slow Break-Up etc. You see it way too often.
They can't just step away and see it for the dumpster fire it is, because they've had so long to get used to it. Any new fuck-up isn't "look at this mountain of trash", it's "oh just one more thing for the pile". The scale is out of perspective.
From an outsider looking in, having stumbled on this video, it just sounds like dark patterns, the video game. So. Many. Anti-consumer. Practices. Jeeez.
Multiversus is actually really fun me and my friends play it all the time im genuinely surprised so many people dont like it
I agree, gameplay wise its generally pretty solid and i love crossover games. but some people hate it due to predatory microtransactions and other bad decisions.
I would play multiversus if the speed went up back to where it back in the beta
Doesn’t take much to unlock Ranked and arena you’ll get threw it pretty quickly
19:46 holy shit that’s me!
Thats a cool "weird al" cosplay
You mean Cheese Sandwich
Course correction should have happened during open launch. Each season since then has been nothing more than a “carrot on a stick” situation, and there’s only so much patience one can take from a company who constantly back tracks and lies about their road map and intentions
I want this game to succeed but the fundamentals of the game are confusing and the hit boxes/netcode are terrible. This is my first platform fighter I’ve played other fighting games before and know a little bit of what’s punishable and what’s not. But in multi the prioritization system didn’t make sense to me as new player months ago and still doesn’t. I have opponents getting dropped out of my attacks randomly and it feels like characters who are “low tier” aren’t necessarily low tier because of their attacks but because other characters have better prioritization then them or have little to no end lag. Am I wrong here or am I onto something that isn’t spoken about that compared to other fighting games don’t have these issues like that.
Naw I think you’re right. This is the only fighting game I’ve played where it feels artificially unfair. The amount of bad hit boxes and move drop outs is crazy. It’s almost like every match I play, I’m questioning how I got hit or how my move didn’t hit the other person 🥲…
@@blackg3gaming you and me both. It confuses me how some characters are able to get away with attacks that in any other fighting game they wouldn’t be able to. I feel bad for people who main the “low tier characters” cause if they were to play a low tier smash character really well they would be rewarded more for their skill instead of rng. I main Batman and I know he was broken before and I knew that but in the position he’s in now he’s not fun to play only because of how prioritization works. All my attacks get out prioritized even if I throw an attack a frame earlier. There’s only a few Batman players in grandmaster and masters but I know they’re not playing the way any character should be played in a fighting game. That’s by playing passive and abusing hitboxes. I’ve gave up playing Batman cause I’m not gonna change my play style because the game doesn’t want me to play the way I want to play. The only thing that should stop me from playing how I want to play is another player reading me or who’s just better than me.
That IGN tweet is a half lie, because they completely omitted that WB plans to keep the game going despite the revenue problem because it has a lot of ips attached to it
Now if only they eased up on the penny pinching instead of doubling down each season
Hot take, but I think the game itself has some insane gameplay issues that is holding it back more so than any monetization strategy (although monetization is fucked). It feels far too floaty due to the fact that hitstop on attacks lasts ages, the speed at which you get knocked back can be wayyyy too slow at lower percents and doesn’t feel tuned properly, and air attack animations persisting even when you’re already on the ground makes this game feel genuinely horrible to play and makes it kind of hideous from a spectator perspective. I know, different strokes for different folks and some people may enjoy these aspects of the game or call them features but the vast majority of people I’ve talked to about this game all have the same issues. And there are ways to make these features actually work (I.E Brawlhalla actually has the same floaty vibe and non land-cancelling air attacks but it feels much faster, clean, and crisp to play). I don’t think the only thing holding this game back is monetization. The experience has never actually felt that good to play, or at least not good enough to keep people playing in the format of a live service. People want to play games for fun, not just to possibly unlock stuff they may or may not use, the idea that people aren’t playing the game itself because of the battle pass seems like a misdirection to me.
Lol I love how their "new" progression system is ripped straight out of brawl stars, a mobile game, but done worse in every way😂
Really enjoyed the Beta. but when it returned. it was messy and odd. What!?! shields now?
This is a really well done video, and a lot of points being recapped for a person like myself who doesn't play this game because of the egregious monetization and character acquisition is really appreciated! The points themselves are great too, keep it up RVR!
The success of rivals 2 will ensure both this damn piece of work and nasb2 will never come back from the dead
I really do like playing this game but sometimes it really is like pulling teeth trying to sit down and have fun you either run into someone who keeps running in place and doesn't ever actually attack you, spams one move over and over until they can combo you off the map, you can rarely just ever sit down with the game and play casually
It's crazy how all these companies that have access to all these IPS fumble the ball so frequently when they could be making bank with everything they have.
Marvel Rivals. 33 characters. All playable at launch.
I started playing Multiversus in beta but bowed out at the beginning of season 3. Yes you get enough gleamium for the next pass by playing the current one, but in season 3 they put like 70% of it between levels 61-69. Basically forcing you to grind the entire season.
This is a great concept that was being developed as best as it could but WB is just so fucking greedy and hungry for a Live Service that its just impenetrable.
The devs didn't do the best they could at all
i wanted to reinstall when i saw Marceline is in the game (or will be im not sure) but i saw that nothing changed since :c
Multiversus TRIED to be the Marvel Rivals to Smash Ultimate
If I had a nickel for every "killer game" for my current game, I'd have 2 nickels
Which isn't a lot but it's weird it happened twice