I thought i was going crazy when Inoticed those shorter notes. Overall the performance was incredible. But that stylistic choise in the opening was the only thing I didn't like.
No one should watch this UNLESS they're wanting a nine minute treat comprising a spirited performance, an obviously talented orchestra and a passionate and intense conductor all captured by gifted videographers and a highly skilled production team! Loved it and thank again AK :-) " Ah McCain ... you did it again! "
Wunderschöne und detaillierte Aufführung dieser perfekt komponierten Ouvertüre mit gut harmonisierten und perfekt vereinigten Tönen aller Instrumente. Die geniale Dirigentin leitet das ausgezeichnete Orchester im angemessenen Tempo und mit angenehmer Dynamik. Obwohl nicht so leidenschaftlich wie andere Aufführungen, klingt diese Aufführung echt modern und sauber. Hörenswert!
Thanks AVRO & TROS for this great recording. Especially for the Ouverture Egmont I reserved a ticket a year ago but I had a dog as guest this weekend and had to miss the concert. This is great. It is not the real thing but it comes close without all the coughing I am used to in the Concertgebouw.
DESPUES DE LA. BUCCOLICA NOVENA SINFONIA O " PASTORAL " ESTA OBRA ES DE MIS CONSENTIDAS AUNQUE ES MUY DIFISIL CLASIFICARLAS TIENE MUCHAS POR ALGO ESBETHOVEN
I don't think that's the case. It's a style of playing that the musicians don't always follow precisely in-time with the conductor's hand gestures, they already have the flow of the music & she is just guiding them, making sure they all have the right downbeats. I've played and seen a few times, orchestras with this way of playing.
QuanHoang Clarinettist I know what you mean but I meant it a little different. EX... watch the opening f minor chord or the second f minor chord. A very big thrust of an DB but the orchestra plays more of a fat sound not an attack.
@@nateofnathan8297 hmm, in that case maybe it's her own strange way of conducting, and the orchestra already agreed on that during the rehearsals or something. From how I know Dutch orchestras they don't seem like the kind who would do something completely different from what the conductor asked during the rehearsals. I could be wrong, though...
It says 1st of march 2020. Very few knew what was coming. I saw that opening at the Folle Journée in Nantes mid-february. What a moment. Soon, we"ll go to concerts, again...
Kom zo hard mogelijk can een filmpje van Berliner....Ow ow ow ow....harteloos.....heerlijk altijd om weer thuis in Amsterdam 🤪🤪 naar acro teis te luisteren....vanuit DORDRECHT!...DE REPUBLIEK
Me estaba gustando esta interpretación, cuando recordé la versión de Karajan.... y no hay punto de comparación. Escuchen al maestro th-cam.com/video/N1JWz8jwWsQ/w-d-xo.html
I disagree with your point of view, and think it is mistaken for all fields on earth but especially in music. We need to be giving great musicians opportunities without regard to their gender. To do anything else is discrimination (in this case, sexism) - what is sexist or not does not depend on historical statistic, but rather on principle. In this case, though she may be talented, she is simply not qualified to stand in front of an orchestra of this caliber. Far too many things are not together (and it's her fault); and the music is literally dying on the vine. I'm not sure if you're a conductor (I am) - far too much of this is apparent. I'll also add as a white male conductor with a normal, American name, that I and many others like me are likely to never be given an opportunity as great as this, simply based on the affirmative action type of regimen you are advocating - is that right, in your view (you'll have to forgive or overlook that I must be an evil Nazi, since I am committing the great sin of the 21st century, which is to disagree with a liberal point of view)?
@@frankborderhm... you give us a lot to think about, but what is the point ? in the end the hype of a beautiful young woman or a tall handsome man under 30 seems to be what orchestras themselves go for. so...
Non mi piace l'introduzione. Non mi piacciono i cambi di tempo. Non mi piace l'interpretazione che si fa.dare ai timpani. Ascoltate Ozawa, Abbado o Karajan.
@@Gwaithmir Like Furtwängler, for example. Please listen to him. You see, I made the effort to listen to Mrs. Canellakis. So, please, do the same, and listen to Furtwängler.
Gusztav Fenyo Good sir, I agree with your assessment. She does portray a level of energy that did not seem to parallel the shifts in dynamics and punctuations in the performance. Perhaps it was evident more so sitting in the audience and the impact was diminished by the recording; or she was just excited for the performance and partook a small bit of over-conducting. This particular pieces character is reliant upon execution of contrasting dynamics and punctuations throughout. The tempo obviously plays a more central role acting more as the compass used to the unfolding of the music.
She is a young conductor. She may be lacking a mature style, but that isn't her fault. It takes a life time of hard work to develop a distinct style. She is extremely talented. I say, give her an orchestra and a season or two. I bet she will become a great conductor. It better not be because she is a woman. If you think like that then I feel sorry for you. Women can, and should have equal opportunities to manage, conduct, and contribute to the arts and sciences.
@@chopin65 Nobody accused her for being a woman, conducting at the famous Concertgebouw hall. It would be unfair. On the contrary,she is admirable for this achievement. Being of greek origins,she also makes us proud because she tries to build her own career, like Dimitri Mitrópoulos, Theod. Currentzís or even L. Kavakos who played in this very same hall.Therefore, I believe she didn't manage to capture 100% the spirit hiding behind the score of this beethovenian masterpiece which is full of energy. I think that any artist conducting the "Egmont" overture primarily, has to move the audiences, by transmitting the deepest essence of the composer.
@@sgabriel It's not question of being unkind. If you have something constructive to say, and you are prepared to defend your point of view, go ahead. If you just think you would be being unkind, then you're right to drop it. For my part, I found it interesting. It is not how I would do it - especially the opening - but I found much to admire.
The new kid on the block but are they really worth all the money they are paid? I wonder how much Ms Canellakis' fee will be for this gig and how much the orchestra musicians will be paid.
I adore your interpretation, especially the heavy timpani presence. Bravo!
How are they sitting still?? I'd be practically dancing!! With a huge smile on my face! This was incredible! Thank you.
Magnífica interpretación de esta bella obra y una dirección impecable. Felicitaciones a toda la orquesta y a la señora Karina Canellakis.
Oh the irony of a Spanish comment on Egmont's overture. It is almost funny
I used to play this music when I was in school, and doing my homework. When I listen to it now, it brings back good memories.
Beethoven would be soooooooo happy to hear about those wonderful, touching memories…..
One of my favorites pieces ever! Thx for posting this
It has such a great ending
Wonderful conducting. Wasn't used to the short notes during the opening, but that's all part of experiencing something new. Throughly enjoyed
Do you mean the quarter notes with dots on them?
I thought i was going crazy when Inoticed those shorter notes. Overall the performance was incredible. But that stylistic choise in the opening was the only thing I didn't like.
They are half notes with dots...the implication is separation, not short.
@@benjoles9623
Karina Canellakis is one of the best conductors in our generation.
Karina es una excelente Directora!!!
No one should watch this UNLESS they're wanting a nine minute treat comprising a spirited performance, an obviously talented orchestra and a passionate and intense conductor all captured by gifted videographers and a highly skilled production team!
Loved it and thank again AK :-)
" Ah McCain ... you did it again! "
Prachtige uitvoering van deze bekende Ouverture o.l.v. een uitstekende dirigente en orkest!!!Bravo!!!
Спасибо 👏❤️❤️
Wow I've never heard it like this before brilliant!
Questa Ouverture nella sua tragicita' e' una sferzata d'energia !!!
Magnifique pièce du Génie...Mls Canellaki ressent profondément tout l'ampleur de l'oeuvre!
Wonderful
Have maestoso e spiritoso moments
Welcome to Indonesia
Yes!
First choice today to say Happy Birth-anniversary, Ludwig, on your 250th.
Greetings from East Anglia in England.
Wunderschöne und detaillierte Aufführung dieser perfekt komponierten Ouvertüre mit gut harmonisierten und perfekt vereinigten Tönen aller Instrumente. Die geniale Dirigentin leitet das ausgezeichnete Orchester im angemessenen Tempo und mit angenehmer Dynamik. Obwohl nicht so leidenschaftlich wie andere Aufführungen, klingt diese Aufführung echt modern und sauber. Hörenswert!
Love the piece and the conductor!
Hear hear!
Magnificent performance in a magnificent hall. Beethoven would be proud.
Muchas gracias !! Y me sumo a los aplausos.
This and King Crimson’s Starless are my favorite “build up slowly and blow their ears off “ pieces of music.
Bravissimo !
BravissimA :)
Thanks AVRO & TROS for this great recording. Especially for the Ouverture Egmont I reserved a ticket a year ago but I had a dog as guest this weekend and had to miss the concert. This is great. It is not the real thing but it comes close without all the coughing I am used to in the Concertgebouw.
Flawess!
Superb musical attire of Goethe's Egmont
Que mujer.dirijir a veetoven ,eso grandiozo.
Vrij ingetogen Egmont. Daardoor opmerkelijk. Coherent en overtuigend gebracht. Keuze pauken past bij de visie!
Esplendor! !!
Eine Karikatur von heutigen Musikbetrieb.
Una caricatura de lo que hoy es el mundo o el „mercado“ de la musica „clasica“.
🎶
DESPUES DE LA. BUCCOLICA NOVENA SINFONIA O " PASTORAL " ESTA OBRA ES DE MIS CONSENTIDAS AUNQUE ES MUY DIFISIL CLASIFICARLAS TIENE MUCHAS POR ALGO ESBETHOVEN
Bravi!
The Egmont ouverture by Beethoven also here performed by the E.T.A.Hoffmann Chamber Orchestra
Berlin: th-cam.com/video/FIEZZiSYoQQ/w-d-xo.html
I don’t think the musicians are really caring what she is doing. They seem to not play what she is showing.
I don't think that's the case. It's a style of playing that the musicians don't always follow precisely in-time with the conductor's hand gestures, they already have the flow of the music & she is just guiding them, making sure they all have the right downbeats. I've played and seen a few times, orchestras with this way of playing.
QuanHoang Clarinettist I know what you mean but I meant it a little different. EX... watch the opening f minor chord or the second f minor chord. A very big thrust of an DB but the orchestra plays more of a fat sound not an attack.
@@nateofnathan8297 hmm, in that case maybe it's her own strange way of conducting, and the orchestra already agreed on that during the rehearsals or something. From how I know Dutch orchestras they don't seem like the kind who would do something completely different from what the conductor asked during the rehearsals. I could be wrong, though...
QuanHoang Clarinettist you may be right but i was just making an observation. It’s still a decent recording.
I noticed that too, after watching for less than ten seconds.
what is that big black flute?
A normal flute, I think, and the smaller one is a piccolo. Certainly that's what it is scored for.
They had an audience? Wasn't this during the pandemic?
It says 1st of march 2020. Very few knew what was coming. I saw that opening at the Folle Journée in Nantes mid-february. What a moment. Soon, we"ll go to concerts, again...
Kom zo hard mogelijk can een filmpje van Berliner....Ow ow ow ow....harteloos.....heerlijk altijd om weer thuis in Amsterdam 🤪🤪 naar acro teis te luisteren....vanuit DORDRECHT!...DE REPUBLIEK
Nice! Did I just see Senator Rand Paul on the Oboe? 1:49 😆
重厚感のない、まぬけな
演奏。ベートーベンが泣いている。
Bela, e regendo no templo que já foi de Felix Mendelssohn e Gustav Mahler! BRAVO!
Frau Canelakis bittet eine Bio Variante von Egmont
Echt een feestje...
Best kurt masur
it´s wonder
Great fun for the performer only................
Great. But something's off
Maybe it's you. It sounded like real Beethoven to me. It sounded glorious to me. She is young. But she has the right stuff. Real passion.
@@chopin65 vigorous and passionate !
@@chopin65 why so defensive?
Haydn?
A little too fast in the opening. The notes are supposed to have a haunting echo which this version completely lacked.
What does it tell you when the youngest person in the room is the conductor?
That not enough older people take younger ones to concerts.
Maybe it means that those of us who are parents need to do a better job musically educating our children.
It was her xmas present ...
normal for the last decade at least. it's what 'people' go for, kjust look around
0:04
Me estaba gustando esta interpretación, cuando recordé la versión de Karajan.... y no hay punto de comparación. Escuchen al maestro th-cam.com/video/N1JWz8jwWsQ/w-d-xo.html
John Lennon is not dead guys, he's alive! Look at him playing the bassoon haha
(Kudos to Maestrina Karina Canellakis, you were great!)
That is what I thought too. Isn't he between Mickaël Jackson and Elvis ?
when the video editing is done by a musician who gets orchestration
Rippin Crest
It's a step in the right direction. Women should be given more opportunities to prove themselves conducting. We can all benefit from it.
I disagree with your point of view, and think it is mistaken for all fields on earth but especially in music. We need to be giving great musicians opportunities without regard to their gender. To do anything else is discrimination (in this case, sexism) - what is sexist or not does not depend on historical statistic, but rather on principle. In this case, though she may be talented, she is simply not qualified to stand in front of an orchestra of this caliber. Far too many things are not together (and it's her fault); and the music is literally dying on the vine. I'm not sure if you're a conductor (I am) - far too much of this is apparent. I'll also add as a white male conductor with a normal, American name, that I and many others like me are likely to never be given an opportunity as great as this, simply based on the affirmative action type of regimen you are advocating - is that right, in your view (you'll have to forgive or overlook that I must be an evil Nazi, since I am committing the great sin of the 21st century, which is to disagree with a liberal point of view)?
Nobody is going to benefit from such a bad conductor !
@@frankborderhm... you give us a lot to think about, but what is the point ? in the end the hype of a beautiful young woman or a tall handsome man under 30 seems to be what orchestras themselves go for. so...
6:13
the beginning is an accent not a diminuendo! wrong "tradition" that does not make any sense musically.
5230 Antonette Mills
No spiritual depth. Great orchestra!
Non mi piace l'introduzione. Non mi piacciono i cambi di tempo. Non mi piace l'interpretazione che si fa.dare ai timpani.
Ascoltate Ozawa, Abbado o Karajan.
De hamvraag is: klinkt het even goed, of beter, dan Herbert von Karajan's beste opname? Ik zeg: ja!
Comparing her to Karajan is like comparing Opel to Porsche
Karajan was a Nazi so he doesn’t even matter.
It is nothing on Karajan.
🤭
In my opinion a weaker work of Beethoven for his standards but still outstanding
more women conductors please
Where is the Beethovenian brutality ? This is disgusting soft.
What's it supposed to sound like?
@@Gwaithmir
Like Furtwängler, for example.
Please listen to him.
You see, I made the effort to listen to Mrs. Canellakis.
So, please, do the same, and listen to Furtwängler.
Not all Beethoven needs to be brutal
she does too much,,,,she has the energy, not the musicians and not the music.
Gusztav Fenyo
Good sir, I agree with your assessment. She does portray a level of energy that did not seem to parallel the shifts in dynamics and punctuations in the performance.
Perhaps it was evident more so sitting in the audience and the impact was diminished by the recording; or she was just excited for the performance and partook a small bit of over-conducting.
This particular pieces character is reliant upon execution of contrasting dynamics and punctuations throughout. The tempo obviously plays a more central role acting more as the compass used to the unfolding of the music.
@@fabichaz7830 not always, i think it's his opinion on the particular case. and incredible is subjective apparently
This Is not her job.
Sie schlafen ein. Tempo....!!!!!!
Okay, but certainly not great.
She is a young conductor. She may be lacking a mature style, but that isn't her fault. It takes a life time of hard work to develop a distinct style. She is extremely talented. I say, give her an orchestra and a season or two. I bet she will become a great conductor.
It better not be because she is a woman. If you think like that then I feel sorry for you. Women can, and should have equal opportunities to manage, conduct, and contribute to the arts and sciences.
@@chopin65 Nobody accused her for being a woman, conducting at the famous Concertgebouw hall. It would be unfair. On the contrary,she is admirable for this achievement. Being of greek origins,she also makes us proud because she tries to build her own career, like Dimitri Mitrópoulos, Theod. Currentzís or even L. Kavakos who played in this very same hall.Therefore, I believe she didn't manage to capture 100% the spirit hiding behind the score of this beethovenian masterpiece which is full of energy. I think that any artist conducting the "Egmont" overture primarily, has to move the audiences, by transmitting the deepest essence of the composer.
Whatever
Nope.
Why?
@@chopin65 I won't be unkind.
@@sgabriel It's not question of being unkind. If you have something constructive to say, and you are prepared to defend your point of view, go ahead. If you just think you would be being unkind, then you're right to drop it. For my part, I found it interesting. It is not how I would do it - especially the opening - but I found much to admire.
Im sorry..really so bad...
I find this interpretation very good and clear. Not all Beethoven has to be loud and flashy.
The new kid on the block but are they really worth all the money they are paid? I wonder how much Ms Canellakis' fee will be for this gig and how much the orchestra musicians will be paid.
Ive heard Egmont played with much more intensity, and drama, this performance is fine ,but lacks the emotion and bombast of others..
weak
This conductor is horrible !
The worst live recording ever
Affirmative action - yawn.
woman as a conductor... doesn't seem good...
Soft and boring!