Can a Door Devil Anti-Kick Upgrade Prevent Multiple Attackers? We Put Its Strength to the Test
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- Today, we're excited to bring you our independent evaluation of the Door Devil Anti-Kick Device. We've long been advocates of the technology that Door Devil has created and have been brainstorming how to work up a thorough evaluation of the effectiveness of the product in the right setting.
Thanks to Clint Bruce and his team at Trident Response, we were able to use a new breaching cage that they had constructed to properly put the Door Devil through its paces.
As you watch the video, there are a few things I'd like to make clear. While we've run quite a few giveaways for Door Devil in the past on ITS, we've never received any kind of financial compensation from the company and no one involved in the production of this video has either. Outside of the team at ITS, no one shown in the video had ever even seen this product in person before, including the guys from Trident Response that helped me kick the door and the subject matter expert I interviewed, Rich Messenger of Texas Door & Trim, who is also the acting director of the Dallas Builders Association.
We've been sent a total of four units free of charge to use for testing, one of which is shown installed in this video and another was on-hand during the filming. The others were installed over the past year to examine the installation procedures and other criteria used in our evaluation.
What you see above is the culmination of our evaluation and while I voice my own opinions during the video, I'll let you be the judge on the effectiveness. The purpose isn't to paint Door Devil in any kind of light, other than just giving you a real-life look at three guys trying to break down a door with a Door Devil installed; we didn't hold anything back.
Bryan Black
Editor-in-Chief, Imminent Threat Solutions
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Door Devil Website: doordevil.com/
Trident Response: www.tridentresponse.com/
Texas Door & Trim: tdt-inc.com/
Dallas Builders Association: www.dallasbuilders.com/
That build-in was not secured to the wall, so the structure's looseness was acting as a big spring buffer, which robbed a lot of the force out of your kicks. Using the longer screws to hold the door frame hardware in is a really big deal, +1 for the 3" screws to get the plate bolted all the way to the stud that the doorframe is attached to, not just the doorframe itself.
They need to install this on a real house, then have someone try to get in. We need a new video.
useless against a prybar,4-5 lb hammer/tool used by firefighters.they just smashed the door handle on my apartment,and were in no problem,prying the sad handle out.peace
Okay fair enough but if you DID HAVE it all secured in properly,just how many times do you think you could kick that door full tilt? Have you ever kicked a door in? You'd just wind up with fucked up feet or knees.
The key test in this video was the last non reinforced kick that split the frame.
Another idea though would be to reverse the door so it opens outwards.I did that once before and had the feds kicking my front door for 15 minutes till eventually I had to let them in! lol
EXACTLY MY FOCUS ALSO
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For the people who are blasting this review please keep in mind that all one is trying to do in the event of a break-in is buy time. Time/lights/alarms discourage most burglars to the point that they lose interest and move on. The back door of my place was kicked in back in February and since then I have replaced the door and reinforced it with 3" screws. I also added longer striker plates( not as long as these door devils, though they would be an awesome upgrade) and security doors with 3 point locking systems not to mention the home alarm. Some say its's overkill, I say there's no such thing when it comes to protecting myself, my loved ones, and/or my shit!
+breakaleg82 RIGHT ON DUDE ! I totally agree ! ! !
breakaleg82 I bet Pitino would fond a way in. He would just illegally pay to get in then deny it like he's never done anything wrong!!!
Wall structure WITH Door Devil was NOT SECURED which absorbed MOST of the impact. BUT the wall structure WITHOUT the Door Devil WAS secured and received ALL the impact and was easily breached. DECEIVING demonstration.
Yes. Seconds matter.
the structure is taking all the impact , id like to see the out come with it installed in a real home
works the same but walls fall apart
For sure
+Apple Bag
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exactly, that makes this video crap for a result video.
I agree. This is a terrible test.
One discreet but fashionable upgrade for interior doors is to simply replace them with solid core doors and common privacy locks. That allows for a layered defense where the interior doors look normal, but are in fact a real barrier. Solid core doors between the "public" and "residential" areas of a larger house can be put in without it looking like a "panic room" but can easily buy enough time to get to weapons or call for help, not to mention locking up higher security parts of the home while you are gone but leaving other areas open to various service providers like pet care, cleaners and part time household staff.
yes in deed not a very good test at all lol door was loose not even connected to the wall
The metal plate is still a pretty decent upgrade if you an get it to fit in the door to frame gap.
The structure isn't stationary .... every kick moves the walls by a significant amount thus transferring a lot of you kick energy from the door to the movement.
Exactly what I was thinking. They need to anchor the wood to the concrete wall for a true test. Nobody's house wall will move like that when kicked.
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@@SnorkkyI know this is very old, but peoples house walls do move a lot like then when you kick a properly secured door. It's pretty wild to see. Kinda like watching homes shake in an earth quake video. Not as sound as you think they are.
right side of the wall was loose. therefore the test is inaccurate.
the entire structure was moving and the chipboard was flexing, both of these factors were absorbing the force of the kicks.
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the house wouldn't move, which is exactly my point. if it were mounted on a structure that wasn't absorbing the force (like an entire house), the door probably would have kicked right in.
Noticed that as well. I'm sure the device works, because it would delay the breakin...enough for the burglar to move on, or for your to load your Mossberg. But the loose wall was absorbing the blows, and that's readily apparent. They need to re-do this test.
+random eddie Although this test sucked, even Popular Mechanics recommended a more or less identical product. The concept is sound, the testing wasn't.
As I contractor I always spec my customers ext doors that we install with upgraded strike plates from the manufacturer.its available for the strike , lock area and hinge side also. It's been avalible for yrs.
You may not be able to keep them out forever, you only need a door that can slow an attacker down long enough for you or your family to get to your gun and have it ready to go.
John Norris Looked like the door kept them out long enough for them to look elsewhere
this is when your not home...or if you are,and you abide by government rules,with family,kids not getting to your guns in a safe.etc.,you MIGHT have enuf time...MIGHT.peace
What we all need is doors like those we see at the banks. Those are secure. Why can't builders understand? We pay so much for a house so why, why?
I watched another video that explained builders use Grade 3 hardware. Grade 1 is the good stuff. Grade 3 can have plastic inside!
Mass-produced homes aren't nearly as strong or durable as we're led to believe. Got concrete?
I've never questioned the strength and capability of the Door Devil, it's rock solid. What I was worried about, and later pleasantly surprised to find out, was how forgiving the design is. In my area (as in most in North Texas) one's foundation will shift throughout the year and could cause issues with doors closing properly. This has jot been the case in my situation with the Door Devil. There is plenty of room to accommodate this. We are in the process of having 30 piers installed to repair the foundation issues of our home, and the only doors that do not give us issues are the ones with the Door Devil insatalled. Your mileage may vary, but I'm a firm believer in their strength and durability.
Added the door devil to my garage door and my son took at 8ft run at the door and bounce off...LOL...He is 21, 5'9" 160lbs so I'd say it works, no damage to the door or jam. The door was a new fiberglass exterior door
Try 6'6", and 275 and see if you have the same results.
I have a similar product that I installed after thieves kicked my front door in. This is a great product. It repaired the door jam and I don't think anyone will be coming through that door ever again. As a victim of a door kick in I would highly recommend this approach to home security.
The window is a good idea, not to mention I can pick 2 Kwikset locks in less that a min. Not to say I'm a crook, but I'm a locksmith lol! Cool product.
I had to kick in a motel door when my mom got locked inside and the management said "we don't know what to do". Had one of these been on I would have had to break a window
a great addition to any home! I also recommend those big solid iron security doors!
Test it right, full body shoulder ram and two separate test's for the door without the hardware and one with it installed. Otherwise a great Idea.
your structure wasnt solid; how about next time, you build a frame that doesnt bow under pressure, and you see how much force it actually takes to bust that door down. /slow clap...
John Kersch I was going to say this... the wobbly structure is absorbing a lot of the energy from those kicks.
+John Kersch yea and the semi well placed donkey kick was a a board where the holes compromised the cross fiber support of the board.
Or actually put a shoulder into it. One hit or two and done
+John Kersch Shit build maybe, but that didn't stop the regular door mounts from caving after one kick. 3 kicks of the door devil didn't make it open, but a single regular kick did. Maybe you could buy one yourself and pay to build a house and really test it ;)
Jesse Crandle the fact that it is BETTER does not prove that it is Doorkicker proof. you are arguing that because it stood up better that it can do what they claim but then you defend them when they fail to prove it in the video but instead using a "simulation" that supports their side of the argument rather than putting it in a simulator where it was at the least advantage and letting it prove itself on its own. they had a CONCRETE doorway they they could have equipped with this to prove its merit but they chose to use fiberply and 2x4 construction.
TLDR- as a certified facilities maintenance tech i understand door code; i would not merit this as a satisfactory test of the door devils claims
I expect the company to prove its potential before i will trust it to defend three quarters of a million dollars in equipment.
Leave off the sticker on the door, why give the BG the idea to attack another entry like a window?
This test isn't true because the entire frame for the door moves with the impact. So that means that not all of the kick is turned into energy to knock down the door. So a better test would be to put a door in between a completely stagnant frame. Not made,of ply wood.
Great video, I am impressed at the strength of the system, however.....
Installing a steel gate that opens out is a good deterrent lag that baby to the studs and you will need a truck and cable to get in through the front door, this will buy you time to react! Unfortunately, if someone wants to get in they will, probably through a window not a door. It is a good product to use in conjunction with others however the structural nature of the "wood door" lends itself to being easily broken through especially if the person has a ram, shotgun or other breaching device and does not come in through a window, slider or french door.
The fact that you do not have a solid wall you don’t really have a valid test.😂
Yes the structure was wobbly, but either way it looks like the door would have lasted a dozen or more kicks compared to a "unprotected" one. For the amount of time needed to install and the cost I say it is worth it. They were not promising ultimate 100% protection. I would possibly buy it (but I think I would still rather just get a brand new, real security door).
Buy a European door, my last vacation rental home had seven bolts and opens outward, a bloody safe!
A good piece of 2 by 4, running diagonally from the bottom side of the door knob to the floor, would be much stronger. Let's see someone kick the door open with the door physically blocked like that.
Benny Hill time lapse music FTW!! Great video as always guys.
Thanks kpw! I knew that music sounded familiar but couldn't remember what it was from.
John Rosalia Lol no problem man.
I knew kicking doors in was relatively easy. Now I learned how quick and easy it is to safeguard against! Thanks ITS for quality information as usual. I look forward to buying some Door Devil Products.
good demo, but a question, you did mention about give in the structure, was acting to absorb the hits; BUT saying that you where making a lot of noise and I doubt a birgler will try that much, he just wants 1 kick and in
thanks good product
What are you going to do about the windows?? In some states you can't put bars on them so what's the point
and if the police decided to show up with another BS warrant and i'm not home at the time, i've heard I can be charged with interfering if I happen to have an up-armored door, or dangerous security systems.
Is this true or can I go ahead and get one.
because I am incredibly paranoid of law enforcement over-stepping their bounds (again)
So how much does a door devil kit cost? I have seem some similar products which cost about $70 USD.
Double key deadlock, Door Devil Plate, longer screws on hinge screws & kick plate and our steel door is solid. Outside steel face indicates that someone did try to kick (probably a mule kick or two) the door open. Neighbors did have an entry and burglary. We did not. Also have a visible bar on rear sliding door base that prevents someone from sliding it open. ADT Security sign is in front of entry area. When we travel, interior lights are on timers & a talk radio station is on & loud enough for someone outside to hopefully think someone may be home. Of course any window or door with glass can be penetrated. House and yard are always well lit and exposed. No bushes for a bad guy to hide. Next step are area cameras. Hope bad guys don’t make it through the door if we are home. Gunshots inside a house are loud!
Putting this on all my doors right away !!! Awesome !!!
what kind of door did you use? metal, wood, or fiberglass?
Pretty cool. I might have to consider this for the front door.
How about double doors entrance? Is there any for double doors?
Why didn't you use outside opening door? Do all your front doors in America open inwards?
+Elijah Ellis I agree, it's much harder. Here all doors opens outwards. It's also safer in case of emergency, example fire.
+LogicDontFail Doors to public buildings open outward, due to fire codes for the very reason you state. Personal property though usually opens inward because it feels more inviting. Inward opening doors protect the hinge itself from tamper. If a door opened outward, I'd suspect we'd be looking at things on how to target harden your hinges instead of the lockplate.
+LogicDontFail Simple: Because outside doors can't be kicked in by their very nature... Logical?
+conrad By "outside doors" I mean doors that open to the outside, as opposed to opening toward the inside.
+LogicDontFail Hi, American here. My doors all open outward.
how does it install if you don't have the two dimes spacing?
If the police let you use their mockups, you should have let them try. They have a batterram, too!
do you recommend this for apartments?
cool but wouldn't that make the hinges the new weak spot ? gonna need more hardware for that and it would be a great product!
cool so, how does this work for glass windows?
Love to see you do a side by side of the OnGARD vs. the Door Devil.
I just keep my couch against the front door. The other entrances open outward.
Good for new construction. I have brass weatherstrip, secured with a hundred little nails, so no access for any security device.
A ton of strike energy was lost by the moving structure, but you did acknowledge that.
This does show promise as a product.
Is it the thin metal strip that makes the door harder to kick in or the 3 inch screws? I realize wood is easy to splinter but if you kick the door, how would the metal strip help hold the door in place? Dumb question, yes I know.
The deadbolt is stuck into the wooden jamb. The long metal plate "catches" the deadbolt as you kick it (on the edge of the hole through the plate which the deadbolt is passing through). Now the edge of the metal plate is pushing against your kick. Because it's long, and because you installed 6 (I think) long screws, the metal plate is distributing the load across the screws and into whatever they are screwed through. Normally, there is a pair of 2x4 studs doubled around the opening of your door, so the screws are distributing the kick into the doubled 2x4 studs.
I unscrewed one of the screws placed in by the builder and was shocked! It was barely 1/2 an inch. I went and got 3" ones. At least it will slow down a burglar. Thanks for your answer!
Nice upgrade. Even though the experiment isn't perfect it is still pretty obvious there is an advantage. Please try this again with a more solid test frame and a tactical ram
Hey! Regardless of that structure, it was tough door to blow open.
Don’t you use steel catch plates for mortice bolts in the US? In the UK all mortice locks come with a 16 or 14g catch plate, which normally has a formed steel dust box on its rear side. Even with one of those installed, the door case will normally split out feom a good kick. A 6” steel plate is all that is required to prevent that vulnerability. bolted hinges are a good hinge side upgrade, as is a steel plate within or on the face of the door at kick height. I’m surprised no-one has invented a heavily sprung face plate, which acts as a shock absorber.
My house was broken in to a while ago. They used a crowbar type thing to enter. Btw I have a metal frame.
What's up with the painting in the last shot?
haha. the time lapse music was a nice touch.
I disagree with bob, the test is not useless. I have a door devil. And let me tell you it works. I have kicked my door over and over. Running and kicking it, and it is bad ass. I recommend it.
Unfortunately we have two french doors with glass panels that open to our patio so no amount of reinforcing is going to do any good. All of our exterior doors are steel with 3.5" screw all around, but any door with a glass panel is basically an open door in my opinion. Does any one have any suggestions for reinforcing doors with glass in them? Our pit does a pretty good job of alerting to anything going on around the house but a dog and an alarm are only going to do so much when we're not home.
The glass needs security window film. I recommend the 12 mil film here: www.windowfilmandmore.com/enhanced-security-window-film.aspx (I’m not a professional, and I haven’t tested that particular product, but I have ordered from them before and been very impressed with their service and products, and I've seen many videos of other security window films.)
I also found here a similar product to the Door Devil but for French doors: pa107.infusionsoft.com/app/storeFront/showCategoryPage?categoryId=4
You could also add something like the Nightlock: www.nightlock.com/
(Or you can always just buy a metal security door to put on the outside [similar to a storm door but with bars], but the ones I’ve seen cost $450+.)
So.. can I point out the flaw? When the intruder can't make entry via the door, they turn to that nice, inviting, floor to ceiling window next to the door.
Zathras NotZathras put security windows in
Just put security film on the window to prevent shattering. But anyway, the fact that they probably kicked your door multiple times, and *tried* to shatter the glass, gives you lots of time to grab a gun and call the cops.
Usually the doors I've seen open outwards (so you cannot just kick it in). Not that it prevents much. You can probably pry them open with a crowbars etc. But it seems like a weird design to have a door opening towards inside.
I like it.....this would give me time to get strapped and put 3 through the door !!! Side note-the wall moving on the test display aided the door staying shut but I do believe this product is worth it.
What do you all think about doors that open outwards and have strong structure around the frame on the inside?
Frame moved: not conclusive. Kicked in same door with holes from removed Door Devil: not equivalent. Should have used a separate door for each. Kicks were half capacity compared to the intruders kicking my door (the reason I'm watching this.) However, I saw how easy it was to kick in the door. You've assured me that shoving myself against the door in a MAJOR attempt to bolt my door as the intruder attempted to break in was a VERY good move on my part yesterday. It's probably the only reason I won - a plain old bolt.
Rich is sporting one sexy cell phone holster. You’re steaming up my monitor, Rich.
this is stupid for so many reason but before blasting why, first let me say I admire the effort. Now first off this whole illustration is not actual for most homes, most homes door frame is less than an 1"inch & usually unsupported by 2x4s which makes it incredibly easy to kick in! To fix One can cheaply go to Ace Hardware buy 3.5" inch screws and scrap wood to place behind each door hinge & mortise hole then anchor to house frame with screws done! No "plates" which only attach to 1" pine wood door frame.
I’d like to have seen more kicking effort on the hinge side also
Just saying, the movement in the wall is absolutely absorbing a lot of impact, to reflect an actual real life situation the door should be fixed to a more solid wall
Go to the weak link, most door jams are put in with finish nails, at least in a track home. 3" stainless screws into the king stubs should suffice
I have a 1/4 x 3 inch X 2 feet long screwed to my door frame with 3 inch stainless screws. The door hinges have 3x3 plates with the same 3 inch screws into the door frame. With the deadbolt engaged, my door will go through hell before it’s breached.
Is this company still selling their product? Went to web site, clicked on buy now, and nothing pops up? Have they stood the test of time?
The door looks stronger than the wall it's installed into!
you said you added only a single 3" screw to the hinges......why not make them all 3"?
This is a good starting point but doesn't help spreading the door jam. Police and fire generally use a door ham spreader which just pulls the deadbolt out of the wall hole. The hinge side is still weak. The hinges should be replaced with security hinges that have pins and should be installed with long 4" screws. The jam should be filled in with hardwood all the way around. Most doors are installed with shims that help level and plumb the door but doesn't add any level of security to the door. Deadbolrs should be high quality and have a hammerhead deadbolt that locks into the hole. The gap along the door should be fixed to prevent wires from being pushed under the door and helps to stop the deadbolt from being unlocked from the inside. There are multiple ways to reinforce a door and this product just barely addresses one of them but does nothing to address more advanced means of breaching a door and especially not the ones going to be used by LE when they decide to confiscate guns.
awesome video. every time i wanted to troll you made note of what i was going to say... about the wall moving... and about the holes being drilled in the jam. kudos.
It worked for me. Footprints all over the door but they didn't get inside. The burglar gave up and went next door where they did get inside. It really works.
WAY too long for the amount of information delivered.
Lol....i had to speed it up to 1.5 speed cuz i couldnt take the longwinded blathering anymore.
But the kicks moved the wall. It is taking the stress. I am not saying it won't work but it needs to be tested right
I'd like to know how this would effect traditional fire service forcible entry with flathead axe and halligan? Seems like it could detrimentally effect fire department access.
They will just break a window.
Pitcherman. You can get a plastic coating that goes on either side of the glass to make it shatter proof. Our local gunshop has it and according to him the glass is now also blastproof. Sure the glass will break but no one is getting theough it.
I don't think people realize most criminals don't not breach doors like swat. If you can withstand a half dozen or so kicks and don't have a window ac unit, you'll probably be too much of a pain compared to other houses. It's not about being impossible to break into, it's about being more of a pain then the next house.
Might invest. I have a steal frame around my garage door and back door. The weakest point of my Home would be sliding glass door. But at that point u can see 2 doberman pinchers so I doubt they'll try lol
I wish you would have shown the instructions during the installation
Put that door on a trailer in front of Walmart. Offer everyone 3 kicks and if they get it they win $100 door would be down in 2.4 seconds.
If you have money tell the contractor you want 2 4x4's around the door frame. I remember back when I was 18 I got my first place and the house was made out of block and the door was solid metal loved that place lol.
Reinforcing a door frame is a ok idea but windows are the real weak point and easy entry.so Is between studs no matter what you do if some one wants in they will find a way.
Ellwoodbonsai Put bars over the windows then, problem solved.
+Ellwoodbonsai Most forced entries are performed precisely as shown in the video. Broken windows require repeated effort and noise, which attracts attention. I don't know that this solution in this video is the one to go with, but the door is the primary point of entry in home break-ins, according to law enforcement.
+Ellwoodbonsai I think the idea is, if they break the window it'll be louder or attract more attention than a single kick to a door which sounds more like dropping a piece of wood on concrete. Even bars on the window's can be defeated with portable cutting torch which doesn't make much noise
Ellwoodbonsai that being said. Believe it or not over here, one of the neighborhood dipshits decided he had to test my personal security screws, additional metal fabrication s nothing great just some recycled scraps, in the video we see him then him with a shovel then some other implement s from around my yard ... Took the fucker 30+ minutes to final break there frames to illegaly access my place. There kicker was you can see and hear little pieces of glass falling to the floor from the pre broken windows right beside three door he'd been kicking in.. hey dipshits. Uh broken windows? Either broken or not you're right... These bullet catchers will get in to begin their final moments...I wasn't at home but they guy who he had rolled up in a carpet and nearly set on fire on my front porch told me when I got home
Anchor the temp wall to the side wall so it takes all the force
I gotta say the best part was the Benny Hill music !! lol
I would like to see this without the wall moving to see how long it would hold up, also should have showed kicking in door before install (frame weakened by screws and previouse kicks) and then kicking on unbroken door after install
It seem to me if you are going to demonstrate some thing you want to make it like what it will be like in real life. The idea looks like it should work but know people will have doubts.
Would have been helpful to see if it was easy to kick in before installing this product vs afterward. Also...Yackety Sax? Really?
Ok, you gotta warn us if you're going to use Benny Hill music. I laughed so hard I started choking 😂😂😂
A guy with a hoodie kicking a door, that's a real test. Too bad the whole structure was so loose and able to move on every kick.
I've actually had my front door kicked in at my house (not by a bad guy just a dumbass drunk roommate) and it failed that same way after you guys took off the door devil. Good to see that this is a solution to this problem! Bad guys/drunks will move on to the next door I bet!
LOL screw the bloody frame to the wall bud, then redo this video as alot of the energy your using is being taken out buy the crappy wall frame you got there #faileddemo
+andrew moon YES! I want to see this re-done PROPERLY!
Loud music at beginning sucks.
It should be standard building code to have stronger and thicker door frames and studs to front and back doors.
Interesting that this product is called door devil. But I remember buying this product under the name of Prime Line strike plate 11026 Jamb reinforcing and repair kit.
Great job on your demonstrations and video ...
Nice product. Doesn't really matter if the the frame was more stable. None of these guys would be able to kick it in. No chance. Would like to see how it holds to a pry bar or ram though.
With the entire structure moving all about, the energy from the kicks isn't going directly into the door, it's moving around the door into all the wood structure moving around.
Next up, getting around someone using a sledge hammer and pry bar on the lock.
or you can do as my dad did and install an steel framed aluminium front door with a locking mechanism that has locking pins on both sides of the door at five different heights into the steel doorframe imbedded into the masonry, doubt anyone will be breaking that one down.
So does this work for the feds or police? *shifty eyes*
What does this mean for firefighters? How will this device effect entry in emergencies?
My guess is, they'll have an axe or other tool and just break right in. They don't muck around. They're there for the long haul, so there's no real limit to what they can bring to get in. A thief can't logistically bring an axe or jaws of life, use it, get in, and haul stuff away unless they're willing to leave their tool or carry less stuff. And why would they bother? If they can't get in easily, there's no reason to keep trying. You increase your chances of being spotted and getting caught.
Very true
i think they just cut it off the hinges with a chain saw
This doesn't address the fact that a lot of guys walk up with a small jack and simply jack the jamb sideways in about 15 seconds and simply push the door open. Then they unlock the deadbolt and lock the door on the way out. People don't notice a kicked in door when they walk or drive by. You have to frame the house with braces to combat this, which we do, and we always install the strikes and hinges with two hardened 3.5" screws each. Come kick my door open with one kick. I will have a cane ready for your sore ankles.