Greetings Anak Rantau Interior Multitriplek Plywud from Indonesia 🇮🇩 In my opinion, the curved method is good in this video. However, for me the contractor follows this method. but this video is good and interesting to add insight to me🙏☺️
Very good video, thank you. I don't understand why youtubers choose repetitive music that stresses us out. Watch your video beginning to end and you'll understand. Just a suggestion.
It’s a very good video. A few comments The glue spreader shown is very expensive - £100? You can get pretty much the same result - just a little slower - using a normal foam brush and tray The type of glue is important. Go for one that has a longer open life. I use either Titebond Extend or Titebond 3 I use a lot more breather fabric than that shown. I always have this fear about air being trapped. It’s an once only process and so I would rather be safe than sorry There is obviously a ball CER between the severity of the curve required, the thickness of the laminates and the type of timber. Flex plywood is the easiest but if you wanted the shape shown and had no flex ply, you couldn’t do it with 2 x 6mm ply; you might have to use 6 x 2mm. If using “real” timber, obviously go for straight grained where possible; again, try the process out first with all laminates dry. That trial run will show you if your shape can be achieved with what laminates you have chosen; if it fails, then at least you haven’t got a mess to clean up Pre forming can work. By that I mean, put all the laminates in the bag stacked but without glue; sometimes,even wet with water to soften the fibres; vacuum and leave. After a few house, take out and the laminates will have taken (only)part of the shape you want. Now glue and re-vacuum. This method helps particularly with severe shapes or thicker laminates. You are really pre-stressing the laminates. It doesn’t always work. Failures will happen. If you want a shape topped by some expensive, exotic veneer, form the shape in one process with all the laminates glued but no veneer (if it fails, you haven’t wasted the veneer) then re vacuum with the veneer now glued up and in place.
Thank you very much for the video my friend. It was very helpful.I have a lot of 6 mm plywood in my stock. Can I laminate them on top of each other and thicken them with this method? Is it strong? I want to process it on CNC later. I would be very pleased if you answer.
Ive done a similar thing before - gluing multiple sheets of plywood together to create a curve. It is indeed very strong. As an alternative approach, could you nail the sheets of ply together? I'm not sure if it would retain the same shape that way.
anzaeria it would be possible to bend and then secure the material at the ends. I’d suggest g clamps or nuts and bolts through drilled holes. Otherwise screwing through waste materials at the ends, into a former.
jean bui it’s absolutely rigid and will never lose its shape if kept indoors. It’s not for outdoor use or anywhere humid (without an extremely well applied exterior surface finish). The adhesive could be exterior grade, but I don’t think you’d find exterior graded plywood that was thin enough to bend.
Hi, could you please tell me what kind of pump youre using? mine (a cheap model) is, acoording to the instruction manual, not for permanent use (several hours) under pressure. thanks
How would you go about doing an S shape with this method? Do you have to create styrofoam forms for both sides, or still able to do it with just one side? What method do you use for shaping the foam in the first place?
Hi, still just one side of styrofoam needed with this method of placing in a bag and removing the air. You’d only need a male and female former if you were relying on clamping it together rather than using the bag. It would be very difficult to make male and female styrofoam formers that fitted each other perfectly (it wouldn’t be possible to make them both from one big block as you wouldn’t find a bandsaw big enough, and if you did, you’d still have to sand them afterwards). The method I use for making the former is to draw a template on card, cut it out (ideally laser cut), then draw around the template on a sheet of styrofoam (approx 150mm thick), cut out on the bandsaw then sand with a belt sander or bobbin sander for concave shapes. Repeat this process to make several identical styrofoam shapes (to accommodate the width of the plywood), then glue them together. Finally, glue a long length of sandpaper to a flat piece of wood and use this to remove any ridges between the styrofoam pieces. Remember to make the styrofoam wider than the plywood blanks, and the plywood blanks wider than the finished size. Have a look at my video about trimming with the lipping planer to finish the edges of the finished piece. Please subscribe for more videos if you haven’t already. I’ll make one called ‘making styrofoam formers’ at some point soon!
Scott Noyes it’s really rigid. I buy mine from a supplier who specialises in this process but it would probably work to use a similar product from the builders merchant that is used as insulation. It’s not to be confused with polystyrene which is obviously much less rigid, would collapse around the edges in the bag, and would make quite a mess!
@@productdesignermaker Very useful, thank you. I tried laminating some aero ply recently (first time in years). Quite a tight radius, and the ply seperated In the video, do you alternate the ply direction, or is it cross grain? Thans again
@@herbertthecat I’ve got all the plywood sheets with the (outside) grain going across the piece. It’s not vital if the ply is very thin. It sounds like your adhesive isn’t curing fully.
@@productdesignermaker I've been using Titebond III and found it still wet even after being under vacuum for 36 hours. Any advice for either a different glue or how to expel moisture from the bag? I like Titebond because it's cheaper than epoxy, non-toxic and III has a long open time for complicated glueups.
Vladimir Stevanovic I’m using thin plywood, so there is grain going in both directions, however, I’m cutting the wood so that the exposed grain (visible grain) runs across the former.
POR FAVOR, PODERIAM ME INFORMAR QUAL É ESSE TIPO DE MATERIAL QUE VOCÊS USAM???? POOOOOR FAVOOOOR! RSRS ESTOU DESESPERADAMENTE querendo saber. Muitíssimo obrigada!!! No aguardo.
Gloria Rocha I get the flexible plywood from airpress.co.uk and bagpress.co.uk. The thin plywood is often available from your local stockist. Thanks for your interest.
The same result I get for several item in the same time using a rachet straps on the templates without need it a pomp. Anyway, the ideea is interesting
I'm not sure exactly. This is from the website.... 'dry running, maintenance free vacuum pump (8m3/hr), fitted with vacuum gauge'. www.airpress.co.uk/237-professional-airpress.html?gclid=Cj0KCQjw6MHdBRCtARIsAEigMxEi7yuYzlp9oUSvsTuixeqHrD6rCU-FwjFnLFy0qHIGC1tfznQi2GgaAu1vEALw_wcB Hope this helps.
no creo que tenga un nombre es solo flexible no es lo mismo que la madera contrachapada de abedul. abedul de madera contrachapada se dobla cuando es delgada. curvas de madera contrachapada flexibles, aunque puede ser más grueso.
It's really useful. It would be super good if I was batch producing these shapes and didn't need to wash it after each use. It takes a long time to clean if you've been a little lazy and let the glue dry for 10 minutes!
I just saw your comment pop up on my screen and I had to look up what a mobius strip was.I was about to reply to your comment saying ‘ what a great idea, I’ll get onto that straightaway’, until I saw that you’d commented on my laminating plywood video.I thought you had commented on this more recent video th-cam.com/video/N_IX4ovRk3E/w-d-xo.html
@@productdesignermaker that’s so funny! I’ve been binge-watching TH-cam from my recommendations feed and watched your Pringles sketch earlier. I didn’t realize both videos are from you! So yeah, actually a sketched Möbius strip would be fantastic to see. As for laminated wood... it was a joke but ever since I commented I can’t stop thinking about ways to do it. Of course there would be seams, which feels like cheating to me even if they were staggered. 🤷♂️
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Bravo! This process is roughly as complicated as a wooden slab set in a mold and epoxied, but this is vastly superior in the end.
Thank you very much!
@@productdesignermaker You are more than welcome.
Greetings Anak Rantau Interior Multitriplek Plywud from Indonesia 🇮🇩 In my opinion, the curved method is good in this video. However, for me the contractor follows this method. but this video is good and interesting to add insight to me🙏☺️
Very good video, thank you. I don't understand why youtubers choose repetitive music that stresses us out. Watch your video beginning to end and you'll understand. Just a suggestion.
Teri Williams thanks, but you can’t please everyone!
It’s a very good video. A few comments
The glue spreader shown is very expensive - £100? You can get pretty much the same result - just a little slower - using a normal foam brush and tray
The type of glue is important. Go for one that has a longer open life. I use either Titebond Extend or Titebond 3
I use a lot more breather fabric than that shown. I always have this fear about air being trapped. It’s an once only process and so I would rather be safe than sorry
There is obviously a ball CER between the severity of the curve required, the thickness of the laminates and the type of timber. Flex plywood is the easiest but if you wanted the shape shown and had no flex ply, you couldn’t do it with 2 x 6mm ply; you might have to use 6 x 2mm. If using “real” timber, obviously go for straight grained where possible; again, try the process out first with all laminates dry. That trial run will show you if your shape can be achieved with what laminates you have chosen; if it fails, then at least you haven’t got a mess to clean up
Pre forming can work. By that I mean, put all the laminates in the bag stacked but without glue; sometimes,even wet with water to soften the fibres; vacuum and leave. After a few house, take out and the laminates will have taken (only)part of the shape you want. Now glue and re-vacuum. This method helps particularly with severe shapes or thicker laminates. You are really pre-stressing the laminates.
It doesn’t always work. Failures will happen. If you want a shape topped by some expensive, exotic veneer, form the shape in one process with all the laminates glued but no veneer (if it fails, you haven’t wasted the veneer) then re vacuum with the veneer now glued up and in place.
Excellent information that will certainly help people to navigate this process. Thank you.
Thank you very much for the video my friend. It was very helpful.I have a lot of 6 mm plywood in my stock. Can I laminate them on top of each other and thicken them with this method? Is it strong? I want to process it on CNC later. I would be very pleased if you answer.
Ive done a similar thing before - gluing multiple sheets of plywood together to create a curve. It is indeed very strong. As an alternative approach, could you nail the sheets of ply together? I'm not sure if it would retain the same shape that way.
anzaeria it would be possible to bend and then secure the material at the ends. I’d suggest g clamps or nuts and bolts through drilled holes. Otherwise screwing through waste materials at the ends, into a former.
Will it ever lose its shape? If there's humidity in the air? If it's left outdoors?
jean bui it’s absolutely rigid and will never lose its shape if kept indoors. It’s not for outdoor use or anywhere humid (without an extremely well applied exterior surface finish). The adhesive could be exterior grade, but I don’t think you’d find exterior graded plywood that was thin enough to bend.
I am using this process in a project and I need to know how long this will take. Do you know how long this will take from start to finish?
In my example. 2 hours to make the former. 30 mins to cut and prep materials. 15 mins to glue. 6 hours for glue to cure. Done.... then trimming etc.
I’m looking for the glue that is used to handle the elements of the outdoors.
Do you have any idea the type of glue it is and where to get it?
These guys will give you the best answer - www.bagpress.com.
Buen trabajo saludos de Monterrey nuevo león
Thank you! Mexico! Great to be there with you (albeit by video)!!
Какая фанера и клей ? Спасибо.
hi sir, what you are using for vacuum bag sealant
It’s a purpose made black plastic tube that fits into a piece of u section channeling.
@@productdesignermaker ok, thank you so much
1:57 A plastic tube and a sleeve (C - channel) are used to seal the bag. I find this very useful. What is ii? Could you elaborate on that.
Have a look at www.airpress.co.uk or www.bagpress.com
Hi, could you please tell me what kind of pump youre using? mine (a cheap model) is, acoording to the instruction manual, not for permanent use (several hours) under pressure. thanks
TheZahnputz have a look at www.airpress.com. My pump is from them. Modern adhesives require less time to work too. Maybe 4/5 hours.
How would you go about doing an S shape with this method? Do you have to create styrofoam forms for both sides, or still able to do it with just one side?
What method do you use for shaping the foam in the first place?
Hi, still just one side of styrofoam needed with this method of placing in a bag and removing the air. You’d only need a male and female former if you were relying on clamping it together rather than using the bag. It would be very difficult to make male and female styrofoam formers that fitted each other perfectly (it wouldn’t be possible to make them both from one big block as you wouldn’t find a bandsaw big enough, and if you did, you’d still have to sand them afterwards). The method I use for making the former is to draw a template on card, cut it out (ideally laser cut), then draw around the template on a sheet of styrofoam (approx 150mm thick), cut out on the bandsaw then sand with a belt sander or bobbin sander for concave shapes. Repeat this process to make several identical styrofoam shapes (to accommodate the width of the plywood), then glue them together. Finally, glue a long length of sandpaper to a flat piece of wood and use this to remove any ridges between the styrofoam pieces. Remember to make the styrofoam wider than the plywood blanks, and the plywood blanks wider than the finished size. Have a look at my video about trimming with the lipping planer to finish the edges of the finished piece.
Please subscribe for more videos if you haven’t already. I’ll make one called ‘making styrofoam formers’ at some point soon!
I was surprised the foam didn't crush in the vacuum.
Scott Noyes it’s really rigid. I buy mine from a supplier who specialises in this process but it would probably work to use a similar product from the builders merchant that is used as insulation. It’s not to be confused with polystyrene which is obviously much less rigid, would collapse around the edges in the bag, and would make quite a mess!
Really clear instructional video. Thanks for sharing!
Thank you
How did you cut the radius on the former (is the former foam?)
Have a look at this. I share the process in another video, th-cam.com/video/TxRBL-9G5Hk/w-d-xo.html
@@productdesignermaker Very useful, thank you. I tried laminating some aero ply recently (first time in years). Quite a tight radius, and the ply seperated In the video, do you alternate the ply direction, or is it cross grain? Thans again
@@herbertthecat I’ve got all the plywood sheets with the (outside) grain going across the piece. It’s not vital if the ply is very thin. It sounds like your adhesive isn’t curing fully.
@@productdesignermaker Maybe my cold workshop didn't help. Might try an electric blanket next time ! thanks for your advise.
@@herbertthecat good luck.
Where do you source your wood from?
Are you in the UK?
Ah!, entiendo, maestro👍, muchas gracias!! Saludo desde en Argentina👊!
Have a good day!
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simply GENIUS - thank you for sharing
Much appreciated!
How to bend 8mm fly wood into 2 1/2 inch round pipe
Try this.... th-cam.com/video/nfrP-_KKCxY/w-d-xo.html
What adhesive are you using?
Just PVA wood glue. See www.bagpress.co.uk for alternatives.
@@productdesignermaker I've been using Titebond III and found it still wet even after being under vacuum for 36 hours. Any advice for either a different glue or how to expel moisture from the bag? I like Titebond because it's cheaper than epoxy, non-toxic and III has a long open time for complicated glueups.
Capnmax try here www.airpress.co.uk/74-accessories/
and
www.bagpress.com/Materials_and_Accessories.html
This should help. Best wishes.
@@productdesignermaker thanks!
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So your grains are all in one direction when you bend? How to make a bend in 3D ?
Vladimir Stevanovic I’m using thin plywood, so there is grain going in both directions, however, I’m cutting the wood so that the exposed grain (visible grain) runs across the former.
@@productdesignermaker Ok. Thank you.
So, how much glue ended up in the vacuum line?
Scoop there’s no risk of this. Not very much of the adhesive spills out because the dispenser puts down a sensible amount.
POR FAVOR, PODERIAM ME INFORMAR QUAL É ESSE TIPO DE MATERIAL QUE VOCÊS USAM???? POOOOOR FAVOOOOR! RSRS
ESTOU DESESPERADAMENTE querendo saber. Muitíssimo obrigada!!!
No aguardo.
Gloria Rocha I get the flexible plywood from airpress.co.uk and bagpress.co.uk. The thin plywood is often available from your local stockist. Thanks for your interest.
Which machine used for sucking air
sandeep vishwakarma try www.airpress.co.uk
Would love to purchase these thin ply layers. I can't find them anywhere in this size. Where can I find them. Thanks
Mt Ellis Hi, sorry I have only just seen your comment. I'm in the UK and use bagpress.com or airpress.co.uk
too good, very admired
Ngô Phương thank you
Doesn't the glue need air to dry?
bruce anderson no, but it does take longer than when exposed to the air.
The same result I get for several item in the same time using a rachet straps on the templates without need it a pomp.
Anyway, the ideea is interesting
Trazco Traz agreed but it’s tougher with ratchet straps when there’s any concave aspect to the shape
This might be overkill for such a simple shape but I can definitely see potential to make more complex and as such harder to clap shapes like this.
Presión de vacío ???...
Cuántos bares está ???..
I'm not sure exactly. This is from the website.... 'dry running, maintenance free vacuum pump (8m3/hr), fitted with vacuum gauge'. www.airpress.co.uk/237-professional-airpress.html?gclid=Cj0KCQjw6MHdBRCtARIsAEigMxEi7yuYzlp9oUSvsTuixeqHrD6rCU-FwjFnLFy0qHIGC1tfznQi2GgaAu1vEALw_wcB Hope this helps.
Quiero saber, no sé que los tipos de maderas flexibles, cómo se llaman aquellos?, please...
no creo que tenga un nombre es solo flexible no es lo mismo que la madera contrachapada de abedul. abedul de madera contrachapada se dobla cuando es delgada. curvas de madera contrachapada flexibles, aunque puede ser más grueso.
just come across your video and found it very useful I'm also in the UK but can I ask how much was your bag press please?
You could look at bagpress.com or airpress.com The cost depends upon the set up you go for.
Очень хороший метод!
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“The easy way”...if you happen to have a large vacuum forming machine.
Jan M well, that is the downside!
Hahaha literally just thought that
Sous vide plywood!
Correct. Chanceux, il n'a pas suffoqué!
Perfect technology
Thank you Ferdinand
Perfect
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Cool! You have a cat house!
Christovão Abrahão my cat loves it!! 🤣
Incréible👌!
Adrián Peralta thank you!
This was 1997 all over again. Only how it's made without the narrator.
One hell of a year!
Nice glue applicator
It's really useful. It would be super good if I was batch producing these shapes and didn't need to wash it after each use. It takes a long time to clean if you've been a little lazy and let the glue dry for 10 minutes!
Where can I get one? Thank you. (very nice music)
Edgar Harris you can get them from airpress.co.uk
Hi
Amazang.
Thaank you!
the easy way i will skip the fancy roller for the glue
Sounds like a plan!
@@productdesignermaker 👍
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The easy way??
If you own a large bag and a reversible vacuum cleaner!
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Rugby Sweats! What Club?
Todd Elliott well spotted. Just my school in the UK!
@@productdesignermaker Enjoy your tutorials! BTW, my son and I both play rugby. He's heading off to Uni this coming Fall. Cheers.
Todd Elliott awesome. Be great if you get to play for the same team at some point. Great sport!
@@productdesignermaker Already happened once in his HS alumni game. I was able to jump in. He played IC, I played where needed, 7 and 8. Cheers.
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Now make a Möbius strip 😂
I just saw your comment pop up on my screen and I had to look up what a mobius strip was.I was about to reply to your comment saying ‘ what a great idea, I’ll get onto that straightaway’, until I saw that you’d commented on my laminating plywood video.I thought you had commented on this more recent video th-cam.com/video/N_IX4ovRk3E/w-d-xo.html
@@productdesignermaker that’s so funny! I’ve been binge-watching TH-cam from my recommendations feed and watched your Pringles sketch earlier. I didn’t realize both videos are from you! So yeah, actually a sketched Möbius strip would be fantastic to see.
As for laminated wood... it was a joke but ever since I commented I can’t stop thinking about ways to do it. Of course there would be seams, which feels like cheating to me even if they were staggered. 🤷♂️
@@fernwood haha! Yeah, I’ll definitely sketch some of them and perhaps make a video on it. I might struggle to make one in plywood though 😀
Although, did you see my laser cut plywood sheet video? It bends in all directions, so it could work?
@@productdesignermaker I’m sure I’ll get to the video soon - I’m slowly making my way through all your videos!
Sorry but that has nothing to do with laminating wood. change the title
Nothing to do with laminating wood? Explain
They glued each piece together and put it on a form. Literally the definition of laminating wood. What are you talking about?