I find it really sad how Starlo might have been assumed to have run away from all his problems when you kill him. Nobody witnessed his death, nobody expected or thought you might kill him, and he was at his lowest point in life. Everyone probably thought he decided to prioritise his delusion rather than his loved ones, and it is also even sadder when you consider how he never got to apologise.
No one? Ceroba did, your killing intent is generalized during a neutral route so there’s no way for her to notice it went up because you killed Starlo, but during a pacifist run it’s pretty obvious
so she is literal the strongest monster in the undertale yellow underground i mean she still get help from that thing that virus idk @@thepichumaster9354
El Bailador has got to be the saddest death for me. He just wants the Underground to be happier. The last thing he feels is regret that he "inconvenienced you". God he has to be my favorite miniboss
By the time I finally beat him, which took way too long on easiest difficulty because I can't rhythm games, I was ready to kill him. (I nickname him El Uninstall, it was that frustrating.) Then later I got stuck on effing Starlo so... rip my ever finishing the game because the final pacifist battle will just be way beyond me.
A theory that makes absolutely no sense: Martlet has actual powers to crash the game to prevent dying. Its just that she didnt expect to die at the genocide fight
Considering whats going on right now in the fandom and beyond i feel like that this fangames had the exact same impact then the original undertale and i love it
As far as I’m concerned- this game is canon until proven otherwise by a major continuity error. It perfectly builds upon the world of undertale, and treats the story and themes of the original game with such care, while telling a completely unique story. I’m glad that the fandom is having fun like Undertale is new again :)
Axis's Death is the one that got me the most because in the point of view of the story Ceroba clearly trusted you but then when you kill someone infront of Ceroba, Ceroba goes: "why" and just leaves you
I think Star's is even sadder, to make a long comment from someone se short, "Starlo is most likely to be assumed to have run away from his problems, living out his delusions without even saying goodbye to anyone, or possibly even worse, after they don't find him for a while throughout the entire underground, they may think he commited suicide after a certain period of time, because no one saw him die, no one expected you to kill him either."
@@pora5000 It's also because you just destroyed one of the most important pieces of Chujin's legacy when she explicitly said to not do it at the beginning, so that just rubs more salt into the wound
Gotta say, this game did a good job on Martlet. She's like a more articulated Papyrus, giving you more chances while still protecting herself. Neutral? She's willing to help you out. Aborted genocide? She scolds you, but is willing to give you a chance (though not really forgive, understandably). Pacificts until final moments? Completely understands. Good to finally have someone state that yeah, self defense or panic can happen.
Martlet is just the "copy" of papyrus in feminine, with a lot of plot armor, forced relevance and protection by the writers. The fact that you can't even kill her on a pacifist route, saving her in her first bossfight of the genocidal route and that she is the final boss, there being many more interesting characters for that role. In addition, they try to force her as a companion when you spend most of the game alone or with ceroba and only at the end she is your companion, which hinders the game, since it prevents us from leaving hotland to get gold or extra food This is called author blindness and not good character construction.
I remember accidentally killing El Bailador in my Neutral Route because of how he didn't acknowledge getting hit so I assumed that "attacking" him would just be dancing back and also his attacks were annoying me
Are you going to go up to someone and say "Hey can you not kill anything, I need your soul to be pure so I can take it for a science experiment. Thanks!" And then still expect them to trust you and/or not fight you
@@isaquedopao6667 just checked the scenario myself. I killed both the first Jandroid and Guardener, and after I peacefully resolved Axis, Ceroba abandons the mission. Just in a calmer way than if you destroyed Axis.
@@valutakoshelok2879 Wait so afterwards you get a neutral ending with 0 EXP? And I'm assuming it plays out the same as regular neutral, which feels a little off, but oh well
@@QuokkaWaka You do. Martlet's lines differ depending if it's Abandoned Pacifist (in our case - yes), Abandoned No Mercy/Vengeance (if route is abandoned after beating Wild East boss) our just Neutral where kills are random (I suppose, I haven't checked the conditions myself)
Let’s talk about killing Axis. Not Ceroba’s reaction. But what he says when you land the final blow. He calls for help… *But nobody came… That’s depressing.
@@moony2249 when you get back to snowdin he actually is building his home and stuff, he also sent out a letter so i made sure to get back to snowdin (backtracked) before i went back to chujin's house
Somehow, killing just one of these characters is even sadder than killing all of them. Dlav full on feels the betrayal, Bailador blames himself, Star tries to stay positive but fears death, Ceroba gets pissed that you broke her husband's creation or embraces death, depending on which one you kill, and... I'm guessing Flowey nopes you out of killing Martie since even he thinks killing her is just too low.
Ceroba was also mad because killing Axis in that state also means your soul isn't pure anymore, so then she couldn't fulfill the mission Chujin left her
Martlet crashing the game if you get her to 0 HP actually makes a lot of sense once you realize it's not Martlet's doing, but Flowey's. Given Clover's current location, she's pretty much the only way for them to progress, so Flowey resets in order to move the story along. (Clover _does_ pilot Ava by themselves in the genocide route... but I'll give the devs a pass since she's crucial to the neutral ending)
You can't actually bring Martlet to 0 HP in a regular fight, she just retreats when on low HP. Flowey wouldn't mind us killing her at all, we can still steal her raft when she retreats, and Flowey very much _doesn't_ want Martlet around. The game crashes because you're not supposed to be _able_ to kill her.
@@starleineYou can actually bring Martlet’s HP to 0 without messing with the game at all by switching your ammo to one with more ATK at the last shot. Again, the devs probably just forgot, but it’s fun to come up with theories, makes the game a little more fun.
There is an actual lore explanation for AXIS getting EXP. You can get it in the pacifist route by getting a tape which is buried in the place where the grave of [redacted] is (The grave is at the left, wheb you inter the area go through the left). I don't know if you can only interact with it after you saw the starting tapes or if you can get it inmediadly when going into the area. But it gives some Lore explanation of why AXIS gives EXP when killed.
@stasoleinik8501 no, axis just killed a human. the blue soul, to be specific (thats how chujin acquired it in the first place). axis also mentions it during its genocide fight.
Just like the original undertale. They made you EVEN more guilty if you betray them rather than killing them repeatedly. Undertale Yellow is just a really good fangame
Pretty weird how when you kill starlo in cold blood he's like "yeah ig i had this coming" but when you kill Ceroba he goes "SHE USED TO BE A LOVING MOTHER". My brother in christ the both of you had it coming
people react differently to different situations all the time. do you really expect him to think rationally when his best friend from childhood just died?
@@redactedinfo8557I still think that starlo probabbly should have been more understanding of Clovers situation, like him hating clover and being distraught over the death of his best friend feels believable but I don't really know if his reaction to the whole situation is quite in character for him
@@InsertFunnyThingHere starlo hates himself He died running away from all his problems and no one witnessed his death No one suspected you as the killer From the other's perspective starlo ran off in own delusion
@@redactedinfo8557 @InsertFunnyThingHere starlo hates himself He died running away from all his problems and no one witnessed his death No one suspected you as the killer From the other's perspective starlo ran off in own delusion Starlo is happy with him dying because he tor the people that loved him apart He thought he is useless and is okay with dying Meanwhile Starlo knew ceroba had a family A daughter ( a daughter which is alive in starlo's eyes considering ceroba never lived to tell the truth ) People who cared about ceroba
i think it would be awesome if we get to see the characters interact when one of them kills clover. i think it would be cool to see martlets and starlos reaction when ceroba kills you. or it would be sad if Mr. guitar hero kills you unintentionally, when his only intention was to dance. or just how heartbroken dalv would be after killing you, etc. i think it would add a lot more depth to the characters.
There are two things I absolutely love of this game: 1) when you win by killing a monster it doesn’t really feel like winning,specially in a neutral run 2) There is no happy ending at all
Ironically g*nocide ending is the best outcome for clover since it's the only one where he makes it out of the underground alive and succeeds in what he came for by rescuing the 6 human souls
The pacifist ending is the happy ending. Just because you died doesn’t mean it’s instantly a bad ending since Clover willingly sacrificed their soul. If Clover didn’t do that, it’s most likely that the monsters won’t be free for who knows how long. Clover also fulfills their “Justice” role because none of the monsters deserve to be locked away for what their ancestors did in the past
@@squirlis1189best outcome for Clover, but also worse outcome for the next generations of monsters to come. Clover won’t fulfill their role as “Justice” because the monsters didn’t deserve to be trapped because of what their ancestors did
@@StarMisura it’s bitter sweet in the end,if you play neutral then Pacifist you realize that,in the end,Clover was no more than a cog and he never got to know if his sacrifice was worth something
To add insult to injury, if you go to starlos house after killing him, the family thinks of the possibility that starlo commited sewer slide. And considering they never knew what happened to him… yeah they probably just stuck with that. So that’s fun
I think my favorite character is Starlo. He is funny. He is deep. He is kind. He is blunt. The breakup with his posse is something that happens every day, probably. The creators really did that realistically, damn. He never gets overblown except for when you kill Ceroba, and even then it was kinda understandable. I mean, he just lost his best friend. Give that man a break. Anyways, I like Starlo.
@@bumbabees Watch "Why I hate Undertale" and read the recent comments. But in short: Most characters in the game are bad people, (Toriel, Undyne, Alphys) and the game forces you to feel guilty for mistreating them. I will not go too in-depth, I am already exhausted from having to explain myself each time
@@luis-sophus-8227Most characters are morally grey people. The game might make you feel guilty because these people are doing things for a greater good(undyne, alphys)/ don't intentionally harm you at least in neutral/pacifist (alphys, toriel)
I tried, they all have way too much HP for you to be able to kill them in time. Maybe if you kill most of the monsters up until then and keep it neutral?
@@IgnisiumStill too much hp. the only option is to just change the files to make your attack bigger. If you depleted them to 0 it would probably crash
I've tested it out on a whim, the game glitches and uses dalv's sprite for whoever you killed while just continuing on as if the battle ended the normal way. No rewards, no exp gained.
Killing axis and thus engaging in act that would make Ceroba want to kill you. Meaning that she therefore cannot actually kill you without it being meaningless Clover you genius
The whole desert theme and dust. When Star says to tell his parents that he'll be out, he's alluding to no evidence and no one saw what happened so there would be no way to know what happened to him or traces of a body. Always did love the whole monsters turning to dust aspect. Almost as if the sands of the desert are monster dust.
@@saiyanfang1047 just because his fight is hard doesn’t mean he deserves death.(i’m assuming that’s the reason) he genuinely seems extremely guilty about killing that human and does whatever he can to keep the other robots safe in the genocide route.
5:45 I think Ceroba kinda overreacts towards you killing a murderous robot in self defense… I mean I get her husband made it, but there’s no way Chujin would’ve valued the robot over an innocent person’s life
Spoilers, of course. Don't read ahead unless you're prepared. As she alludes to afterward, she's upset for two reasons. The first is the value she put in her husband's work and his legacy. But more importantly, it's because your SOUL is effectively impure because you have killed. That means her actual mission, to find and then resuscitate her daughter, is doomed to fail because you're no better than the sample that DID fail. Understandably, she would be very upset by this, and it's why she's also very careful about not letting you kill anything.
@@jackatk Certainly, but at the same time I have trouble blaming her. She's desperate and she knows that you're the solution to both saving her daughter and possibly saving the Underground, and she desperately wants both. I wouldn't say she's exactly RIGHT in that situation, but I can't say she's a bad person either. I personally see it as just a really tragic situation that nobody deserved to be shoved into. Like she says, she's made her mistakes just like everybody else, and she's desperate to fix them. What makes her different from Alphys and Asgore is that she's actually willing to FIX them instead of twiddling her thumbs and hiding her mistakes for all time. She had to wait, certainly, but that was out of requirement (needing a human to fall down) instead of simply being a coward (Alphys hiding the truth of her experiments; Asgore not crossing the barrier as Toriel criticizes him on in base Undertale).
@@mythicalmew6054where is it stated she's trying to revive her daughter? starlo even confronts her about trying to harvest her own daughters soul and she doesn't deny it, instead saying that she already knows what she's doing is wrong.
@@Pihsrosnec Her goal seems to be twofold. The first is to actually complete the serum. For that to be possible, Kanako needs to at least be technically alive (i.e. fallen down). Ceroba also never intended for anything bad to happen to Kanako, the process only involves harvesting a human SOUL. If it's done right, the monster's SOUL is not negatively impacted in any way. Now it's true that Ceroba doesn't actually have a way to outright revive her daughter (with her current knowledge), but I get an implication from her dialogue that she's hoping for a miracle to happen, even if she knows it's unlikely.
Starlo’s is the second saddest death in my opinion. With context, it’s even worse. He’s been your partner for the whole western town section until this point, where you finally win a fatal dualduel and he just…accepts it. What he accepts is your choice, not his fate, and he’s not ready to fade from existence now.
Ceroba does need a pure soul afterall, that is all she want,but you killed Axis,your soul is no longer pure and your soul is basically useless to her now.
@cmybilly9237 that and also it was one of Chujin's last creations. She's been telling you this whole time not to kill Axis because of this, and you still do it anyways. Even though it could also just be because of wanting your soul to be pure, I'm sure that she does want this for the other reason, too. After all, she is trying to carry out his last plan. She would also want to preserve things of Chujin's as well.
No. I won't agree. It's the last being that Chujin has made and still functioning, and the fact that her entire plan depended on Clover being pure, them gaining a level of violence during this point means going at the lengths of the route of what the blue soul did, which is very important to what happened to Chujin and Ceroba. So, no. It's not stupid.
Y'all forgetting about Decibat. I count him as a boss since he appears in the flowey battle in neutral. And Gardener as well. Maybe decibat would do nothing but make it Neutral and Gardener wont do anything at all.
Decibat can be skipped if you kill too fast, so maybe people just forget about him. Same with the dancing dude, had to remind myself not to just blast everyone so I could fight him during genocide
Ceroba: how dare you justifiably destroy the last invention of my husband that murdered a child? Also Ceroba: die I need some excuse to justify accidentally murdering my child.
also a thing im kinda curious about is if like. you can abort genocide by listening to flowey after he says that killing the robots isn't really necessary. they don't give any exp except for axis so like. does that transition into a neutral route where ceroba is dead? (something is quite literally impossible since you never actually fight her) i might try that out if i can get past her, since the only other time you can fight her is pacifist and i'd assume most of us know how that plays out lol. it kinda reminds me in a way of how you get the alphys ending in undertale, except if you had to kill alphys to get it. and it probably would only effect the flowey fight by giving you a spooky undead version of her but still
i actually did this by accident i missed a single robot and axis never revealed he terminated the previous human thus giving you no Love from defeating him and then you go to the neutral boss
god i hate the betrayal kill dalv dialogue it SUCKS. it's GOOD and fits i just. ough i wanted to see what would happen and then i immediately reset because that fuckin!!! sucked. poor dalv man i love him so much. he isnt in the game too much but he's my fav anyway. ceroba being a close second.
@@Maannnn... yeah she'll always just not travel with you during any neutral route because she thinks you're capable enough (can probably sense you aren't exactly pure (as she mentions after you kill axis) even if you never killed anyone outside of the ruins) and lets you leave. in the case you kill starlo she runs off to his parent's farm to ask them if they've seen him anywhere. also a thing i wanted to mention is like. i find it interesting that you get the same two options for responding to starlo and ceroba after they see you alone with the other gone. ellipses/no and "I'm sorry." it's interesting. however no matter what you say ceroba won't understand that you've killed starlo however in the opposite case starlo knows you killed her because of the destroyed mask. just thought it was neat. it's sort of implied that the wind blows starlo's dust away whereas that happening to ceroba is quite literally stated lol
Ceroba blaming a small child after dragging them with her is just wild to me. Like it's my life or the damn robot what is your problem? I can't wait to get started on my genocide run just so I can delete her. I know fighting the bird is not gonna be fun
When I played this for the first time, I thought the final turn in Starlo's battle was us doing a true duel against eachother. Needless to say, I reset as soon as possible.
I am so sorry for killing the man who shoot me repeatedly I am so sorry for destroying a robot designed to kill humanity, and foiling plans of a traitor who wants my soul those 2 kills were kind of justified, please change my mind
Clover is not. They might even loose memory between loads, not only resets. Also, none of them knew that. They were fully prepared to conciously murder a child. there ARE better options, but without meta experience, most logical way to end some of this conflicts would be a bullet. For now I only killed Starlo (Flowey Steamworks and Neutral ending), and I do not regret it that much, despite all the exp I got from that. Sorry for bad english and rambling
@@lamaoma Clover IS basically inmortal though, even if they lose the memory of what happens after a savepoint, they should remember that they can save (or well the fact that Flowey helps them to save)
I only played the genocide route and haven’t seen the others yet, but I remember at least ceroba’s name being yellow when I had gotten her health low enough. So, it seems that it’s possible
@@co-ramp632thwres a dofferemce between The yellow name and The spare being yellow, in the geno a name appears yellow when you can finish an enemy in one blow, I tried sparing ceroba after the starlo on geno but it doesn't work
oh god these BROKE ME THE WAY STARLO IS HEARTBROKEN UNDERSTANDABLE, HIS CHILDHOOD FRIEND, WHO HAS BEEN THROUGH SO MUCH YET IS SO CARING DEEP DOWN, IS GUNNED DOWN IN A SIMILAR STATE HE HAD BEEN SAVED FROM HOURS EARLIER BY SOMEONE HE TRUSTED AND WAS PROUD OF AND ALL THESE OTHERS ARE JUST, OH MY GOD.
@@luis-sophus-8227never grew up, eh? It doesnt matter. It has never mattered. Why do you care so much for something that hasnt nor evef harm you in any meaningful way?
@@luis-sophus-8227"i will end this delusion agenda" stop talking like you're the main character. Also blindly following our feelings in spite of science and fact has been a thing since the dawn of humanity, i dont know how this is much different.
I mean, a souless robot who killed a child and tried to kill me is a danger to society that need to be destroyed. And I said destroyed instead of killed on purpose.
Undertale Yellow is much more challenging to finish pacifist because most of the bosses are completely terrible people (or complete nothing-burgers, in Dalv's case at the time you fight him) instead of good-but-misguided. It's clever when you think about it. Makes you really agonise over justice vs mercy in a way I hadn't done since sparing Flowey in UT.
The number of comments here saying it's justifiable to kill certain characters...Bro did we play the same game UTY is based off of? How the fuck do you miss the entire core theme of Undertale, which it shoves in your face repeatedly??? Undertale screams at you "Murder is never justified, even if it's the easier or more satisfying decision!!!!" and some of y'all still saying killing Ceroba is right. (especially when Clover can literally be brought back at any time.)
I don't agree Ceroba deserved to die but i mean, the premise makes no sense to begin with tbh, why should Frisk and Clover deal with all these guys trying to kill them and just take it all with a smile? In what context is that reasonable at all? Just because they should all get their happy ending? The True Pacifist routes are cute and stuff, but they're not realistic at all. Everyone says Ceroba's character is morally gray, and i agree, but Clover killing her is also morally gray, Ceroba had her reasons and so did Clover, end of story, this is not a good or evil deal, it's gray. And thank god for Marlet not being another bot character screaming at you the usual "You monster! How DARE you fight her back? She was just trying to kill you to achieve her own personal goals! 🥺", i actually love her for siding with Clover here, as she said Clover's actions were just, Ceroba's background and goals do NOT invalidate everyone else's no matter how much pain she's been through, if we had that logic irl many serial murders would be free and unpunished nowdays, killing her isn't right as you say, but it's just and fair considering her behaviour and the many chances she had to stop herself.
@@AlmondMilkLake I don't know how else to explain that "Self-defense" doesn't apply if the person isn't actively attacking you, and killing someone for no reason but revenge is rather shitty, actually. Like it's rather shitty to decide that you are some judge who gets to decide to end someone's life because they did something bad.
@@modernprometheus99 Ceroba was actively attacking him tho? Her being defenseless after the fight isn't a valid reason to stop if that's what you mean, she could try it again later if given the chance like she did already, and no, the option of forgiving her ending up in friendship shouldn't matter, because Clover can't possibly know, it is implied that Clover has no memory of the reseted timelines, only tiny bits if anything. So at that point he can't actually know if Ceroba would accept forgiveness or go for the kill again, in that situation, a reasonable thing to do is kill her, she's accepting death, she's had multiple chances to stop, she was willing to hurt innocents just to get to Clover, she could totally do it again if she wasn't forced to stop and she literally chose that fate by herself, it's not Clover's fault at that point if he feels the need to pull the trigger as much as she felt the need to go on with her husband's plan, if you think Clover wanting to kill her at this point is unreasonable then her entire character should be unreasonable to you too. And revenge is usually shitty yes, but first of all Clover killing Ceroba here wasn't revenge as i explained, and second, i can think of a few instances where revenge is the only logical answer to some situations, which i can't really speak about here on TH-cam because my examples involve very strong subjects.
@@AlmondMilkLake Self defense doesn't apply if the person stops attacking you. It doesn't even make sense for Ceroba to still attack Clover after this point. While Clover may not remember resets, they are aware Flowey can undo any bad things that happen.
@@modernprometheus99 Self defense is overall a very gray area in the first place, not everyone has the same concept of it, where i live self defense doesn't aply if you had "the upper hand", so basically if someone is trying to kill you by stabbing you with a knife and you shoot them with a gun (either kill or injure, doesn't matter) then you are the one who goes to jail because you had "advantage" over them even if you had no choice, very ridiculous way of thinking when a life is on the line imo. Ceroba was being volatile, nobody could guarantee Clover that she wouldn't ever do it again, as much as it didn't make sense, you could argue some of her behaviours didn't make sense to begin with depending on how you approach the subject, and maybe Clover even considered it an act of mercy in this ending, after all she wanted him to kill her, and again, she had multiple chances to stop and she kept doing worse and worse to the point where she was willing to hurt innocent people like Marlet and Starlo just to achieve her goals. Most real people wouldn't ever think she's redeemable, you keep saying killing her is wrong and revenge, but i think it's justice in a way, i don't think she deserved it or that it was right, but i don't think i can excuse or defend her either, Clover's soul is fueled by Justice after all, and true justice usually doesn't abide by morals or law because even those can be flawed at times (that's a whole other conversation tho), justice is about fairness and Clover was fair with her as Marlet said, she could've stopped, she was being forgiven many times already, but she didn't even budge once. And also, Monsters wanting to go to war with humans is revenge as well by this logic you have, it's not self defense now is it? They're no longer being attacked by any humans, they just live peacefully in the underground, so they technically have no right to be mad if a human comes down and stops them from a doing literal genocide themselves, like in some Neutral routes from Undertale Undyne will have the nerve to throw shit at you for killing Asgore like the player ever had a choice to begin with, why is it only wrong when the player does these things? Becuse if the monsters do it then it's what's right and just in their point of view, yeah, just like Clover here. And Clover does know Flowey can just undo things, but how does he know Flowey isn't just gonna stop doing it eventually? Nobody can guarantee Clover that Flowey is always gonna help, no matter how many resets Clover forgets Flowey always behaves questionably, it would be normal if Clover doubted Flowey at times because even if he's getting help there's no way he could know how long Flowey is gonna do it and what he expects in return. (Which we know is Clover getting him the other souls, and canonically speaking Flowey did get tired of him and let him die, waiting for the next human to actually be useful to his goals)
@R3TRlS Also why does AXIS give EXP? Do we know that? Because none of the other robots do, maybe I'm missing something though. I know that he kills a human at one point, does that give him some kind of special condition to give EXP? Or is it something to do with Chujin's engineering? Maybe exposure to that growth in the lab? Idk, seems like there might be something to the fact that the game makes it a point to specifically call the player out for killing robots which don't give EXP, only for AXIS to have such a weird relationship to LV (In geno, Clover gains LV non-sequentially as well against AXIS).
@@greyscaleadaven in geno Axis saya that he haven't another option than "neutralize" a human, thing that made Clober put his shit out But, again, why axis gives xp? Because before acus dies he says "wait, i didn't want to mean that", so he hasn't a humn soul? Has the choujin soul?
@@GCalebB I guess we don't know what Chujin does before he dies exactly (we do know how he dies though so that's not possible unfortunately), I could see him using some soul extract on AXIS. We know that Mettaton dies and gives EXP because he has a soul, so that would track.
For once Flowey is actually right, the second we act in self defense everyone freaks out as if we were unprovoked, hell even at the start of the game all Martlet does is insult and berate you for no reason, who WOULDN'T want to kill that corrupt cop?
Hi, I just wonder what happens if in the neutral route you don't try to go see Martlet and try to go to the elevator to see asgore since Flowey wants you to do this ? Because I didn't know going to Martlet was the end so I couldn't try this option and I don't wanna restart the whole game again
@MasterIsabelle Not sure what the others have to do with this, as this is specifically referring to Axis. And Pacifist/Neutral Ceroba really does only care about your soul, given that whether or not she follows you depending on the route and how she then tries to kill you after going through the Steamworks to take your soul for Kanako. Honestly, for someone planning to kill us at the end of the route, she really does overreact, blaming us for a mission we never knew about.
@@lloydfs5114 ceroba cares about the soul AND the creation, she loves her husband, and she’d care about his best creation, she’s mad because of the soul AND the fact you killed him, she watched axis call her dead husband’s name over and over until he shuts down forever The idea that ceroba only cared about the pure soul is weird, since she doesn’t freak out nearly as much if you killed any other robot in SteamWorks, she abandons the mission calmly I brought in the others because you made a point of axis trying to kill us, but it’s not a fair statement because everyone that has tried to kill clover up to this point but has been spared, clover has spared Starlo who wanted to kill clover for his own gain, what makes axis in particular deserving of death?
9:22 I think that’s the one swear in the game, at all other times the character catches it cause there’s a child around, also you know what she did, she tried to murder a child, and her own daughter, although it’s funny that clover didn’t kill others who tried to kill them, just Ceroba, also nice that all the endings are very different, undertale had the same pacifist, flawed pacifist, and neutral ending, but in this every ending has its own, unique, final boss
Now I'm curious with what happens after you kill axis in a pacifist route. Because normally, in a neutral route, you get Martlet's letter in the steamworks, prior to this fight. Do you just not get the letter? Or do you get it at the hotland UGPS instead?
i guess certain starlos in certains game are just a little omniscient lol, when i was on pacifist and clover was sacrifcing their soul the moment starlo started talking my game crashed
@@skittles8991This is more funny to me than it should be. Like there’s just a 1/10000 chance of your Starlo being omniscient and able to crash the game whenever he pleases. Every copy of UTY is personalized
What if you spare monsters only by hurting them? I noticed that most enemy names turn yellow after hurting them (I dont really know if all enemys are like this)
the other reply is wrong, for normal enemies, they do become spareable if their HP is low enough. This is also a mechanic in Undertale. Sparing them this way counts as a normal spare and lets you stay on the pacifist path. Fighting is allowed as long as you don't kill. In yellow, some boss' HP also turn yellow when they're at low HP, but this seems to be a visual glitch because you can't actually spare them that way.
![Undertale Yellow - ALL GENOCIDE BOSSES [NO HIT]](/img/n.gif)
"She's using you pal", said by a flower who's also using Clover for the 5 SOULS
Flower's still not wrong though.
Flowey is outta line, but he's right.
Yea but...
He wasn't wrong
If the pot calls the kettle black, the kettle's still black.
The difference between Flowey and Ceroba is that Flowey is actually useful before he betrays you😂
I find it really sad how Starlo might have been assumed to have run away from all his problems when you kill him.
Nobody witnessed his death, nobody expected or thought you might kill him, and he was at his lowest point in life.
Everyone probably thought he decided to prioritise his delusion rather than his loved ones, and it is also even sadder when you consider how he never got to apologise.
Wise words waluigi
Waluigi Wisdoms@@omermohammed5092
You immediately meet his family wondering what happened to him too.
No one? Ceroba did, your killing intent is generalized during a neutral route so there’s no way for her to notice it went up because you killed Starlo, but during a pacifist run it’s pretty obvious
Either that or Ceroba was in denial.
the fact that martlet crashes the game if you get her hp to 0 is possibly the funniest part about this game
yeah but the fact that she is literally the sans of the genocide route is even funnier
@@luansobral1571Yea tbh I was thinking she was the papyrus of this game when really she is a combination
so she is literal the strongest monster in the undertale yellow underground i mean she still get help from that thing that virus idk
@@thepichumaster9354
@@thepichumaster9354 Papyans or Sanyrus
@@godofportal5905pans
"You won!"
It sure doesn't feel like winning.
No cost too great
@@RavenGamingOverLordNo mind to think
@@aboogala4678 No will to break
@@antymew No voice to cry suffering
born of god and void
El Bailador has got to be the saddest death for me. He just wants the Underground to be happier. The last thing he feels is regret that he "inconvenienced you". God he has to be my favorite miniboss
Imo he's one of the few bosses that you really don't have any justification for killing
@@lotsaspaghettimamaluigiforces me to dance for my life lol
By the time I finally beat him, which took way too long on easiest difficulty because I can't rhythm games, I was ready to kill him. (I nickname him El Uninstall, it was that frustrating.) Then later I got stuck on effing Starlo so... rip my ever finishing the game because the final pacifist battle will just be way beyond me.
@@suitovstarlo is a real pain in the ass 4 hits and its jover i have more fun and a easier time with the final boss
His fight is hell on mobile I've tried over a dozen times already
Martlet is so good, to the point that she crashes your game instead if your trying to kill her
Sans need to take notes lul
That’s why she is the character of all time
A theory that makes absolutely no sense:
Martlet has actual powers to crash the game to prevent dying. Its just that she didnt expect to die at the genocide fight
@@pastatheh7041undyne
8:07 WHAT IS MARTLET DOING
Nah flowey has to be the most savage character in this entire game. He feels like that one friend with no filter
Well he is literally *soulless.*
He's just like me for real😂
@@Tyson-i7romg you're so edgy and cool and edgy!!!
@@Tyson-i7rbro is a plant
Hes the one guy you cant invite to any group chat aside from the main one where no has any filter
“Why did I hesitate to fire that last bullet?” Hit me hard
me sorprendio
@@G_Gtox Es Que me había encariñado de starlo ya 😭
@@HurricaneKXZhe sucks moraly imo man tried to gun down a child because his Freinds left
@@Eli-vated I mean, other monsters would have gunned it down without hesitation, it was the law
@@Eli-vatedhe had a reason 💀
I love how everyone is experimenting with the game like they did with normal undertale
Considering whats going on right now in the fandom and beyond i feel like that this fangames had the exact same impact then the original undertale and i love it
As far as I’m concerned- this game is canon until proven otherwise by a major continuity error. It perfectly builds upon the world of undertale, and treats the story and themes of the original game with such care, while telling a completely unique story. I’m glad that the fandom is having fun like Undertale is new again :)
I have been messing around with saves and extra flowey dialogue for the most part.
imagine if we get fangames of this fangame lol
@@crossbladegaming6651imagine if creators make Deltarune Yellow
Fun fact: Flowey in the Neutral Route has the power to transform into these bosses depending on which of them you kill
But what happens in the flowey battle if you kill just the regular enemies and spare the bosses?
That’s true,I tried it myself
@@edybarczak293I have no idea, maybe try it yourself?
Nothing special, I mean... They're just regular monsters@@edybarczak293
@@edybarczak293those attacks just don't happen
Axis's Death is the one that got me the most because in the point of view of the story Ceroba clearly trusted you but then when you kill someone infront of Ceroba, Ceroba goes: "why" and just leaves you
She just “trusted” you for having a pure soul because she needs a pure soul to carry out Chujin’s legacy. She’s still using you so eh
I think Star's is even sadder, to make a long comment from someone se short, "Starlo is most likely to be assumed to have run away from his problems, living out his delusions without even saying goodbye to anyone, or possibly even worse, after they don't find him for a while throughout the entire underground, they may think he commited suicide after a certain period of time, because no one saw him die, no one expected you to kill him either."
...but nobody came.
@@pora5000 It's also because you just destroyed one of the most important pieces of Chujin's legacy when she explicitly said to not do it at the beginning, so that just rubs more salt into the wound
Chujin is just a cruel, hypocritical animal who killed her daughter for the sake of a ghostly hope and wants to kill the child.
Gotta say, this game did a good job on Martlet. She's like a more articulated Papyrus, giving you more chances while still protecting herself. Neutral? She's willing to help you out. Aborted genocide? She scolds you, but is willing to give you a chance (though not really forgive, understandably). Pacificts until final moments? Completely understands. Good to finally have someone state that yeah, self defense or panic can happen.
True
I loved her! But I have to admit, if she was put into any less skilled hands, she probably would have been extremely annoying sweat😅
@@that.one.freckled.ravenette It's because they're not doing it to be nice. They're expressing a huge character flaw.
Agreed
Martlet is just the "copy" of papyrus in feminine, with a lot of plot armor, forced relevance and protection by the writers.
The fact that you can't even kill her on a pacifist route, saving her in her first bossfight of the genocidal route and that she is the final boss, there being many more interesting characters for that role.
In addition, they try to force her as a companion when you spend most of the game alone or with ceroba and only at the end she is your companion, which hinders the game, since it prevents us from leaving hotland to get gold or extra food
This is called author blindness and not good character construction.
I remember accidentally killing El Bailador in my Neutral Route because of how he didn't acknowledge getting hit so I assumed that "attacking" him would just be dancing back and also his attacks were annoying me
Rhythm games are not fun
They are for a lot of people but I'm fully willing to admit I suck at them lmao
@@JayZ69000boooo
Bro just wanted to dance, that’s sad.
Even sadder since he didn’t even notice you were attacking at all.
I love how Ceroba blames YOU for failing her mission she didnt even tell you about lol thats just trash behaviour
Are you going to go up to someone and say "Hey can you not kill anything, I need your soul to be pure so I can take it for a science experiment. Thanks!" And then still expect them to trust you and/or not fight you
Yeah but being mad when they do kill someone is just unreasonable especially because it was self defense@@jacedostal4399
@jacedostal4399 also, how the f would clover know that killing a souless robot wpuld corrupt his soul?
@@marinagaleotti I never said Clover would know whether killing any of the robots would corrupt his soul
@@Pie10000 That's fair, I was just saying that Ceroba telling Clover about her mission would not go well at that point in the story
I'm actually interested in what happens when you kill someone like Guardener or Jandroid while Ceroba is your companion.
nothin im assuming, they don't give EXP i think
@@isaquedopao6667 just checked the scenario myself. I killed both the first Jandroid and Guardener, and after I peacefully resolved Axis, Ceroba abandons the mission. Just in a calmer way than if you destroyed Axis.
@@valutakoshelok2879 good to know, thanks for checking
@@valutakoshelok2879
Wait so afterwards you get a neutral ending with 0 EXP? And I'm assuming it plays out the same as regular neutral, which feels a little off, but oh well
@@QuokkaWaka You do. Martlet's lines differ depending if it's Abandoned Pacifist (in our case - yes), Abandoned No Mercy/Vengeance (if route is abandoned after beating Wild East boss) our just Neutral where kills are random (I suppose, I haven't checked the conditions myself)
Let’s talk about killing Axis. Not Ceroba’s reaction. But what he says when you land the final blow. He calls for help…
*But nobody came…
That’s depressing.
Don't make me depressed bro
Just like that little lost soul he killed
@@Finn_the_Cat but people forget about it, feels like average member of the fandom is a misanthrope
Starlo really handled it with grace.
These death scenes are some of my favorite parts of UTY. In witnessing them, I really feel for the characters.
i can just feel the pain clover must've felt there 😭
"She was using you" ~ Flowey
He wasn't lying either.
i wish 😏
Literal pixels bro chill
@@s0ullessness jail
Why@@thenyan3095
The monsters killed: 5 humans
Clover killed: 5 monsters
Justice 💛
"I would've been a good friend. I would've." Says the guy who doesn't even show up again until after you die.
He does show up for your funeral though. Almost fitting for a vampire
@@moony2249that’s what he said
but he invites you to visit him in Snowdin... i did that
@@moony2249 when you get back to snowdin he actually is building his home and stuff, he also sent out a letter so i made sure to get back to snowdin (backtracked) before i went back to chujin's house
I play in it, and i wanna tell: if you check letter's - he send you letter in one of moment
the el bailador is more sad than all of these deaths
Bro...💀
YOU DONT SAY THE EL BAILADOR EL MEANS THE JUST SAY EL BAILADOR
True...
Yep :(
@@roxas5071 the the dancer
Dalv's death is so sad and for what
LITERALLY. 😭
One of the saddest in the whole game, if you ask me
HE DIDNT DESERVE THAT
i cried over his death back in the demo and it was the saddest experience i've ever had in this game 🥲…
I literally quit genocide when I read his diary
Somehow, killing just one of these characters is even sadder than killing all of them. Dlav full on feels the betrayal, Bailador blames himself, Star tries to stay positive but fears death, Ceroba gets pissed that you broke her husband's creation or embraces death, depending on which one you kill, and... I'm guessing Flowey nopes you out of killing Martie since even he thinks killing her is just too low.
Ceroba was also mad because killing Axis in that state also means your soul isn't pure anymore, so then she couldn't fulfill the mission Chujin left her
Flowey probably nopes outta Martlet because he thinks she's your only way to get to the palace since she's a royal guard
Pretty sure Bailador blames himslelf like this if you kill him in any of the routes
@@X-SPONGEDyeah he definitely doesn’t think killing Martlet is “too low” since he kills her without regret in the neutral route
I'm pretty sure that once you open fire martlet just ejects herself from the situation
Martlet crashing the game if you get her to 0 HP actually makes a lot of sense once you realize it's not Martlet's doing, but Flowey's.
Given Clover's current location, she's pretty much the only way for them to progress, so Flowey resets in order to move the story along.
(Clover _does_ pilot Ava by themselves in the genocide route... but I'll give the devs a pass since she's crucial to the neutral ending)
Yeah.... No. If it was flowey, and not just an oversight of the devs, the game would just load last checkpoint, not outright crash the game as a whole
@@Spelo1it’s a fun theory man
You can't actually bring Martlet to 0 HP in a regular fight, she just retreats when on low HP.
Flowey wouldn't mind us killing her at all, we can still steal her raft when she retreats, and Flowey very much _doesn't_ want Martlet around. The game crashes because you're not supposed to be _able_ to kill her.
It isn't @@SourAttmoz
@@starleineYou can actually bring Martlet’s HP to 0 without messing with the game at all by switching your ammo to one with more ATK at the last shot. Again, the devs probably just forgot, but it’s fun to come up with theories, makes the game a little more fun.
3:55 "It wasn't your fault this happened, don't apologize" OOF
she didn't know we killed him, she thought we said sorry cause we might've caused the thing
@@coo7ies That's what makes it OOF
Man, I hate the sad scenes with El Bailador, he's just a funky guy who wants to dance and his day gets ruined :(
True...
and starlo man
There is an actual lore explanation for AXIS getting EXP. You can get it in the pacifist route by getting a tape which is buried in the place where the grave of [redacted] is (The grave is at the left, wheb you inter the area go through the left). I don't know if you can only interact with it after you saw the starting tapes or if you can get it inmediadly when going into the area. But it gives some Lore explanation of why AXIS gives EXP when killed.
Do you mean it implies that there is a human soul inside of axis.
@stasoleinik8501 no, axis just killed a human. the blue soul, to be specific (thats how chujin acquired it in the first place). axis also mentions it during its genocide fight.
@@circumplex9552 oh yeah makes sense
wait, i didn't get that tape and i touched the grave
@@Georgie_Denbrough you need to check behind the grave, not the grave Itself.
Just like the original undertale.
They made you EVEN more guilty if you betray them rather than killing them repeatedly.
Undertale Yellow is just a really good fangame
Pretty weird how when you kill starlo in cold blood he's like "yeah ig i had this coming" but when you kill Ceroba he goes "SHE USED TO BE A LOVING MOTHER". My brother in christ the both of you had it coming
people react differently to different situations all the time. do you really expect him to think rationally when his best friend from childhood just died?
@@redactedinfo8557I still think that starlo probabbly should have been more understanding of Clovers situation, like him hating clover and being distraught over the death of his best friend feels believable but I don't really know if his reaction to the whole situation is quite in character for him
@@InsertFunnyThingHere starlo hates himself
He died running away from all his problems and no one witnessed his death
No one suspected you as the killer
From the other's perspective starlo ran off in own delusion
@@redactedinfo8557 @InsertFunnyThingHere starlo hates himself
He died running away from all his problems and no one witnessed his death
No one suspected you as the killer
From the other's perspective starlo ran off in own delusion
Starlo is happy with him dying because he tor the people that loved him apart
He thought he is useless and is okay with dying
Meanwhile
Starlo knew ceroba had a family
A daughter ( a daughter which is alive in starlo's eyes considering ceroba never lived to tell the truth )
People who cared about ceroba
@@spoopy-guy I'm talking about the ceroba death in pacific idk what that has to do with anything
wonder whats the aftermath from these, this game surely still needs to be explored, theres an reason about why it took 7 years to be ready
True
they created an entire fun value system btw
@@spoopy-guy They what?!
@@niklosweber5759 you can meet gerson
A guy in a chair ( 2 scenarios )
Have a duck
Have 3 variations of the pillar drawings and more.
i think it would be awesome if we get to see the characters interact when one of them kills clover. i think it would be cool to see martlets and starlos reaction when ceroba kills you. or it would be sad if Mr. guitar hero kills you unintentionally, when his only intention was to dance. or just how heartbroken dalv would be after killing you, etc. i think it would add a lot more depth to the characters.
I wanna see what happens after the Feisty Five kill you.
@@absooool Starlo would probably be broken for long, if not forever that his friends are killers
Imagine how Ceroba would have reacted if Axis managed to kill Clover...
imagine stars reaction
he'd probably burst into tears of regret man
There are two things I absolutely love of this game:
1) when you win by killing a monster it doesn’t really feel like winning,specially in a neutral run
2) There is no happy ending at all
Ironically g*nocide ending is the best outcome for clover since it's the only one where he makes it out of the underground alive and succeeds in what he came for by rescuing the 6 human souls
The pacifist ending is the happy ending. Just because you died doesn’t mean it’s instantly a bad ending since Clover willingly sacrificed their soul. If Clover didn’t do that, it’s most likely that the monsters won’t be free for who knows how long. Clover also fulfills their “Justice” role because none of the monsters deserve to be locked away for what their ancestors did in the past
@@squirlis1189best outcome for Clover, but also worse outcome for the next generations of monsters to come. Clover won’t fulfill their role as “Justice” because the monsters didn’t deserve to be trapped because of what their ancestors did
@@StarMisura it’s bitter sweet in the end,if you play neutral then Pacifist you realize that,in the end,Clover was no more than a cog and he never got to know if his sacrifice was worth something
To add insult to injury, if you go to starlos house after killing him, the family thinks of the possibility that starlo commited sewer slide. And considering they never knew what happened to him… yeah they probably just stuck with that.
So that’s fun
"Why did i hesitate to deliver that last bullet..."
GEEZ 😭😭
I think my favorite character is Starlo. He is funny. He is deep. He is kind. He is blunt. The breakup with his posse is something that happens every day, probably. The creators really did that realistically, damn. He never gets overblown except for when you kill Ceroba, and even then it was kinda understandable. I mean, he just lost his best friend. Give that man a break. Anyways, I like Starlo.
I like him too.
The worst character.
same he's my fav
this game *can* replicate the feeling that Undertale does. you dont want to kill them, they make u regret ur decisions
Except it isn't as pretentious as Undertale
@@luis-sophus-8227why do you think undertale was pretentious?
@@bumbabees Watch "Why I hate Undertale" and read the recent comments.
But in short: Most characters in the game are bad people, (Toriel, Undyne, Alphys) and the game forces you to feel guilty for mistreating them.
I will not go too in-depth, I am already exhausted from having to explain myself each time
@@luis-sophus-8227Most characters are morally grey people. The game might make you feel guilty because these people are doing things for a greater good(undyne, alphys)/ don't intentionally harm you at least in neutral/pacifist (alphys, toriel)
@@robotic_chazzie They are very obnoxious people, no wonder why the humans sealed them
now I'm wondering what happens if you attack the feisty four.
does it even give you enough terms to wipe anyone out? does it change anything?
I tried, they all have way too much HP for you to be able to kill them in time. Maybe if you kill most of the monsters up until then and keep it neutral?
@@IgnisiumStill too much hp. the only option is to just change the files to make your attack bigger. If you depleted them to 0 it would probably crash
I've tested it out on a whim, the game glitches and uses dalv's sprite for whoever you killed while just continuing on as if the battle ended the normal way. No rewards, no exp gained.
@@Phoenixfire653 Martlet does that as well, if she doesn't crash
I also wonder how killing one of the regular enemies in the steamworks whould look
6:35
Flowey is damn right. The robot is trying to kill you, you knock it off for self-defence, and Ceroba like: Screw you.
"Happiness has always been wishful thinking down here."
GOD DAMN.
Killing axis and thus engaging in act that would make Ceroba want to kill you. Meaning that she therefore cannot actually kill you without it being meaningless
Clover you genius
The whole desert theme and dust.
When Star says to tell his parents that he'll be out, he's alluding to no evidence and no one saw what happened so there would be no way to know what happened to him or traces of a body.
Always did love the whole monsters turning to dust aspect. Almost as if the sands of the desert are monster dust.
flowey actually has a point after axis’ death. ceroba acted kinda irrational there. axis didn’t deserve that though
Axis definitely does deserve it.
@@saiyanfang1047 just because his fight is hard doesn’t mean he deserves death.(i’m assuming that’s the reason) he genuinely seems extremely guilty about killing that human and does whatever he can to keep the other robots safe in the genocide route.
@@zidebo5849 However he's still always trying to kill you.
@@saiyanfang1047 so is nearly every undertale character ever
@@zidebo5849 Kinda the point.
5:45
I think Ceroba kinda overreacts towards you killing a murderous robot in self defense… I mean I get her husband made it, but there’s no way Chujin would’ve valued the robot over an innocent person’s life
Spoilers, of course. Don't read ahead unless you're prepared.
As she alludes to afterward, she's upset for two reasons. The first is the value she put in her husband's work and his legacy. But more importantly, it's because your SOUL is effectively impure because you have killed. That means her actual mission, to find and then resuscitate her daughter, is doomed to fail because you're no better than the sample that DID fail. Understandably, she would be very upset by this, and it's why she's also very careful about not letting you kill anything.
@@mythicalmew6054
Ohh that makes sense! Thanks! Kinda sucks that she’s just using clover though lol
@@jackatk Certainly, but at the same time I have trouble blaming her. She's desperate and she knows that you're the solution to both saving her daughter and possibly saving the Underground, and she desperately wants both.
I wouldn't say she's exactly RIGHT in that situation, but I can't say she's a bad person either. I personally see it as just a really tragic situation that nobody deserved to be shoved into.
Like she says, she's made her mistakes just like everybody else, and she's desperate to fix them. What makes her different from Alphys and Asgore is that she's actually willing to FIX them instead of twiddling her thumbs and hiding her mistakes for all time.
She had to wait, certainly, but that was out of requirement (needing a human to fall down) instead of simply being a coward (Alphys hiding the truth of her experiments; Asgore not crossing the barrier as Toriel criticizes him on in base Undertale).
@@mythicalmew6054where is it stated she's trying to revive her daughter? starlo even confronts her about trying to harvest her own daughters soul and she doesn't deny it, instead saying that she already knows what she's doing is wrong.
@@Pihsrosnec Her goal seems to be twofold. The first is to actually complete the serum.
For that to be possible, Kanako needs to at least be technically alive (i.e. fallen down). Ceroba also never intended for anything bad to happen to Kanako, the process only involves harvesting a human SOUL. If it's done right, the monster's SOUL is not negatively impacted in any way.
Now it's true that Ceroba doesn't actually have a way to outright revive her daughter (with her current knowledge), but I get an implication from her dialogue that she's hoping for a miracle to happen, even if she knows it's unlikely.
Why are all of these so sad (especially starlos)
have you done the revenge kills in undertale? they can be pretty sad too.
Starlo’s is the second saddest death in my opinion. With context, it’s even worse. He’s been your partner for the whole western town section until this point, where you finally win a fatal dualduel and he just…accepts it. What he accepts is your choice, not his fate, and he’s not ready to fade from existence now.
@@zyxey yes, I’ve grinded neutral for most endings.
I still just like some of these characters more
Look, I like Ceroba as a character, but can we agree on how stupid Cerroba's reaction to Axis' death is?
Ceroba does need a pure soul afterall, that is all she want,but you killed Axis,your soul is no longer pure and your soul is basically useless to her now.
@@cmybilly9237 fair point
@cmybilly9237 that and also it was one of Chujin's last creations. She's been telling you this whole time not to kill Axis because of this, and you still do it anyways. Even though it could also just be because of wanting your soul to be pure, I'm sure that she does want this for the other reason, too. After all, she is trying to carry out his last plan. She would also want to preserve things of Chujin's as well.
No. I won't agree.
It's the last being that Chujin has made and still functioning, and the fact that her entire plan depended on Clover being pure, them gaining a level of violence during this point means going at the lengths of the route of what the blue soul did, which is very important to what happened to Chujin and Ceroba.
So, no. It's not stupid.
@@tristanraine okay good point
Y'all forgetting about Decibat. I count him as a boss since he appears in the flowey battle in neutral. And Gardener as well.
Maybe decibat would do nothing but make it Neutral and Gardener wont do anything at all.
Decibat can be skipped if you kill too fast, so maybe people just forget about him. Same with the dancing dude, had to remind myself not to just blast everyone so I could fight him during genocide
@@cwg141 yeah just happened to remember him at the last moment.
Decibat didn't even show in my run.
@@cwg141the dancing dude is still gonna be popular because people struggled with him on the other routes
Ceroba: how dare you justifiably destroy the last invention of my husband that murdered a child?
Also Ceroba: die I need some excuse to justify accidentally murdering my child.
also a thing im kinda curious about is if like. you can abort genocide by listening to flowey after he says that killing the robots isn't really necessary. they don't give any exp except for axis so like. does that transition into a neutral route where ceroba is dead? (something is quite literally impossible since you never actually fight her) i might try that out if i can get past her, since the only other time you can fight her is pacifist and i'd assume most of us know how that plays out lol. it kinda reminds me in a way of how you get the alphys ending in undertale, except if you had to kill alphys to get it. and it probably would only effect the flowey fight by giving you a spooky undead version of her but still
Yeah it cancela the Geno route and you Just get a neutral
it cancels the genocide route because axis never admits to killing that one child so you dont get as much insane exp gain
i actually did this by accident
i missed a single robot and axis never revealed he terminated the previous human thus giving you no Love from defeating him and then you go to the neutral boss
Oh thank God I killed all those innocent robots
I would've just killed myself if I had to fight ceroba again
@@hay403me to and the worst part is that i did not know this and saved only realizing that clovers face is different in the elevator
"wow you should really feel bad about killing me right now"
there saved you 13 minutes
god i hate the betrayal kill dalv dialogue it SUCKS. it's GOOD and fits i just. ough i wanted to see what would happen and then i immediately reset because that fuckin!!! sucked. poor dalv man i love him so much. he isnt in the game too much but he's my fav anyway. ceroba being a close second.
The worst thing about betrayal is that it comes from trusted ones.
"Maybe I shouldn't try to kill you...."
Clover: SO ANYWAY I STARTED BLASTING
Axis calling out to his creator for help, not knowing he’s deceased ☹️
8:14 it would be awesome if we got a more dangerous Starlo for flawed pacifist
Starlo acting like ceroba didn't attack clover to kill first
i wonder what happens if you miss the attack if you choose to kill ceroba at the end?
you can't,it will auto hit
“Where did the Starlo go?”
Suspiciously LV8 shaped Clover:
“idk he probably ran away”
What happens with Ceroba after you kill Starlo? Just curious
She goes into denial about his death, talks to Starlo’s parents, and you never see her again.
@@Ignisiumyou don't even travel with her at the stream works?
@@Maannnn...no, flowey helps you instead and you go on a different path
@@Maannnn... yeah she'll always just not travel with you during any neutral route because she thinks you're capable enough (can probably sense you aren't exactly pure (as she mentions after you kill axis) even if you never killed anyone outside of the ruins) and lets you leave. in the case you kill starlo she runs off to his parent's farm to ask them if they've seen him anywhere.
also a thing i wanted to mention is like. i find it interesting that you get the same two options for responding to starlo and ceroba after they see you alone with the other gone. ellipses/no and "I'm sorry." it's interesting. however no matter what you say ceroba won't understand that you've killed starlo however in the opposite case starlo knows you killed her because of the destroyed mask. just thought it was neat. it's sort of implied that the wind blows starlo's dust away whereas that happening to ceroba is quite literally stated lol
@@PhilAndMind i didnt say it to compare the two, i just said it to explain what happens
The wind blowing the dust away is extra sad because the dust is what they use for monster funerals.
Ceroba blaming a small child after dragging them with her is just wild to me. Like it's my life or the damn robot what is your problem? I can't wait to get started on my genocide run just so I can delete her. I know fighting the bird is not gonna be fun
its because chujin put so much work into Axis,it was almost like a second child to him,but,also,pacifist spoilers
She needed a pure soul for her plan
@@martinpachu7125 I know I finished the run 2 days ago. I couldn't care less, is there a way to kill her in genocide? Asking for a friend of course
The amount of people who can’t handle a morally grey character is outstanding
@@MasterIsabelle Absolutely blasted her in the genocide route
@@concur9248 absolutely annihilated
When I played this for the first time, I thought the final turn in Starlo's battle was us doing a true duel against eachother. Needless to say, I reset as soon as possible.
Martlet in genocide: dies even after throwing everything she has and injecting herself with serum
Martlet in pacifist:
I am so sorry for killing the man who shoot me repeatedly
I am so sorry for destroying a robot designed to kill humanity, and foiling plans of a traitor who wants my soul
those 2 kills were kind of justified, please change my mind
ok niko from one shot
Niko woke up and choose violence
Since you are basically inmortal you should try not to kill people even in self defense
Clover is not. They might even loose memory between loads, not only resets. Also, none of them knew that. They were fully prepared to conciously murder a child. there ARE better options, but without meta experience, most logical way to end some of this conflicts would be a bullet. For now I only killed Starlo (Flowey Steamworks and Neutral ending), and I do not regret it that much, despite all the exp I got from that. Sorry for bad english and rambling
@@lamaoma Clover IS basically inmortal though, even if they lose the memory of what happens after a savepoint, they should remember that they can save (or well the fact that Flowey helps them to save)
i like how ceroba is like "damn bruh fuck u i cant kill you for my dead husband's evil plan now"
Does anyone know if you can fight bosses until they're low on HP so you can spare them?
I only played the genocide route and haven’t seen the others yet, but I remember at least ceroba’s name being yellow when I had gotten her health low enough. So, it seems that it’s possible
@@co-ramp632thwres a dofferemce between The yellow name and The spare being yellow, in the geno a name appears yellow when you can finish an enemy in one blow, I tried sparing ceroba after the starlo on geno but it doesn't work
@@abigfan3593 Oh ok. Cool, thank you
dalv, geno ceroba, and zenith martlet are the only ones you can't do this with i believe
“But to me you’re lower than dirt”
Hurt me 😭
oh god these BROKE ME
THE WAY STARLO IS HEARTBROKEN
UNDERSTANDABLE, HIS CHILDHOOD FRIEND, WHO HAS BEEN THROUGH SO MUCH YET IS SO CARING DEEP DOWN, IS GUNNED DOWN IN A SIMILAR STATE HE HAD BEEN SAVED FROM HOURS EARLIER BY SOMEONE HE TRUSTED AND WAS PROUD OF
AND ALL THESE OTHERS ARE JUST, OH MY GOD.
Not another flag please... stop it with the flags
@@luis-sophus-8227 Oh wah wah wah keep crying baby
@@luis-sophus-8227never grew up, eh? It doesnt matter. It has never mattered. Why do you care so much for something that hasnt nor evef harm you in any meaningful way?
@@danaa- Staying silent won't help this world get fixed.
I will end the delusion agenda.
@@luis-sophus-8227"i will end this delusion agenda" stop talking like you're the main character. Also blindly following our feelings in spite of science and fact has been a thing since the dawn of humanity, i dont know how this is much different.
I mean, a souless robot who killed a child and tried to kill me is a danger to society that need to be destroyed. And I said destroyed instead of killed on purpose.
I believe Axis had XP because he was forced to kill the blue-souled human
Undertale Yellow is much more challenging to finish pacifist because most of the bosses are completely terrible people (or complete nothing-burgers, in Dalv's case at the time you fight him) instead of good-but-misguided. It's clever when you think about it. Makes you really agonise over justice vs mercy in a way I hadn't done since sparing Flowey in UT.
Why do you think that?
The number of comments here saying it's justifiable to kill certain characters...Bro did we play the same game UTY is based off of? How the fuck do you miss the entire core theme of Undertale, which it shoves in your face repeatedly??? Undertale screams at you "Murder is never justified, even if it's the easier or more satisfying decision!!!!" and some of y'all still saying killing Ceroba is right. (especially when Clover can literally be brought back at any time.)
I don't agree Ceroba deserved to die but i mean, the premise makes no sense to begin with tbh, why should Frisk and Clover deal with all these guys trying to kill them and just take it all with a smile? In what context is that reasonable at all? Just because they should all get their happy ending? The True Pacifist routes are cute and stuff, but they're not realistic at all.
Everyone says Ceroba's character is morally gray, and i agree, but Clover killing her is also morally gray, Ceroba had her reasons and so did Clover, end of story, this is not a good or evil deal, it's gray.
And thank god for Marlet not being another bot character screaming at you the usual "You monster! How DARE you fight her back? She was just trying to kill you to achieve her own personal goals! 🥺", i actually love her for siding with Clover here, as she said Clover's actions were just, Ceroba's background and goals do NOT invalidate everyone else's no matter how much pain she's been through, if we had that logic irl many serial murders would be free and unpunished nowdays, killing her isn't right as you say, but it's just and fair considering her behaviour and the many chances she had to stop herself.
@@AlmondMilkLake I don't know how else to explain that "Self-defense" doesn't apply if the person isn't actively attacking you, and killing someone for no reason but revenge is rather shitty, actually. Like it's rather shitty to decide that you are some judge who gets to decide to end someone's life because they did something bad.
@@modernprometheus99 Ceroba was actively attacking him tho? Her being defenseless after the fight isn't a valid reason to stop if that's what you mean, she could try it again later if given the chance like she did already, and no, the option of forgiving her ending up in friendship shouldn't matter, because Clover can't possibly know, it is implied that Clover has no memory of the reseted timelines, only tiny bits if anything.
So at that point he can't actually know if Ceroba would accept forgiveness or go for the kill again, in that situation, a reasonable thing to do is kill her, she's accepting death, she's had multiple chances to stop, she was willing to hurt innocents just to get to Clover, she could totally do it again if she wasn't forced to stop and she literally chose that fate by herself, it's not Clover's fault at that point if he feels the need to pull the trigger as much as she felt the need to go on with her husband's plan, if you think Clover wanting to kill her at this point is unreasonable then her entire character should be unreasonable to you too.
And revenge is usually shitty yes, but first of all Clover killing Ceroba here wasn't revenge as i explained, and second, i can think of a few instances where revenge is the only logical answer to some situations, which i can't really speak about here on TH-cam because my examples involve very strong subjects.
@@AlmondMilkLake Self defense doesn't apply if the person stops attacking you. It doesn't even make sense for Ceroba to still attack Clover after this point. While Clover may not remember resets, they are aware Flowey can undo any bad things that happen.
@@modernprometheus99 Self defense is overall a very gray area in the first place, not everyone has the same concept of it, where i live self defense doesn't aply if you had "the upper hand", so basically if someone is trying to kill you by stabbing you with a knife and you shoot them with a gun (either kill or injure, doesn't matter) then you are the one who goes to jail because you had "advantage" over them even if you had no choice, very ridiculous way of thinking when a life is on the line imo.
Ceroba was being volatile, nobody could guarantee Clover that she wouldn't ever do it again, as much as it didn't make sense, you could argue some of her behaviours didn't make sense to begin with depending on how you approach the subject, and maybe Clover even considered it an act of mercy in this ending, after all she wanted him to kill her, and again, she had multiple chances to stop and she kept doing worse and worse to the point where she was willing to hurt innocent people like Marlet and Starlo just to achieve her goals.
Most real people wouldn't ever think she's redeemable, you keep saying killing her is wrong and revenge, but i think it's justice in a way, i don't think she deserved it or that it was right, but i don't think i can excuse or defend her either, Clover's soul is fueled by Justice after all, and true justice usually doesn't abide by morals or law because even those can be flawed at times (that's a whole other conversation tho), justice is about fairness and Clover was fair with her as Marlet said, she could've stopped, she was being forgiven many times already, but she didn't even budge once.
And also, Monsters wanting to go to war with humans is revenge as well by this logic you have, it's not self defense now is it? They're no longer being attacked by any humans, they just live peacefully in the underground, so they technically have no right to be mad if a human comes down and stops them from a doing literal genocide themselves, like in some Neutral routes from Undertale Undyne will have the nerve to throw shit at you for killing Asgore like the player ever had a choice to begin with, why is it only wrong when the player does these things? Becuse if the monsters do it then it's what's right and just in their point of view, yeah, just like Clover here.
And Clover does know Flowey can just undo things, but how does he know Flowey isn't just gonna stop doing it eventually? Nobody can guarantee Clover that Flowey is always gonna help, no matter how many resets Clover forgets Flowey always behaves questionably, it would be normal if Clover doubted Flowey at times because even if he's getting help there's no way he could know how long Flowey is gonna do it and what he expects in return. (Which we know is Clover getting him the other souls, and canonically speaking Flowey did get tired of him and let him die, waiting for the next human to actually be useful to his goals)
I'm with flowey on killing axis only in self defense
@R3TRlS Also why does AXIS give EXP? Do we know that? Because none of the other robots do, maybe I'm missing something though. I know that he kills a human at one point, does that give him some kind of special condition to give EXP? Or is it something to do with Chujin's engineering? Maybe exposure to that growth in the lab? Idk, seems like there might be something to the fact that the game makes it a point to specifically call the player out for killing robots which don't give EXP, only for AXIS to have such a weird relationship to LV (In geno, Clover gains LV non-sequentially as well against AXIS).
@@greyscaleadaven in geno
Axis saya that he haven't another option than "neutralize" a human, thing that made Clober put his shit out
But, again, why axis gives xp?
Because before acus dies he says "wait, i didn't want to mean that", so he hasn't a humn soul? Has the choujin soul?
@@GCalebB I guess we don't know what Chujin does before he dies exactly (we do know how he dies though so that's not possible unfortunately), I could see him using some soul extract on AXIS. We know that Mettaton dies and gives EXP because he has a soul, so that would track.
@@greyscaleadaven would make more sense is mettaton-like
@@greyscaleadaven Mettaton gave exp because he's a ghost.
"I would've been a good freind." oh k me
Offguard kills always hit the hardest.
Both literally, and figuratively.
What happens in the flawed pacifist ending after you go to the castle?
asgore whoops your ass
Asgore will fight you but you will be unable to do anything. He will be attacking you until you die.
asgore folds you like a lawn chair
@@everythingtube172 I wish
For the guy that killed Dalv in the handshake part WHAT IS WRONG WITH U?
9:23 oh gee I wonder what she did maybe not trying to fucking kill me
"Why did i hesitate to fire that last bullet?" Holy shit.
For once Flowey is actually right, the second we act in self defense everyone freaks out as if we were unprovoked, hell even at the start of the game all Martlet does is insult and berate you for no reason, who WOULDN'T want to kill that corrupt cop?
Hi, I just wonder what happens if in the neutral route you don't try to go see Martlet and try to go to the elevator to see asgore since Flowey wants you to do this ?
Because I didn't know going to Martlet was the end so I couldn't try this option and I don't wanna restart the whole game again
if you try to go into the elevator you can't, it's occupied
@@willowlium Oh ok thanks
@@willowlium that's honestly so funny.
flowey: all you had to do was take the goddamn elevator, clover
clover: I TRIED MAN BELIEVE ME
@@willowliumwhy couldnt they let us simply go kill asgore and make flowey's plan work
9:55 starlo describing what she’s doing
People: ceroba overreacted! She only cares about your soul!
Ceroba 5 seconds prior: hey can you not kill my dead husband’s last creation? Thanks!
The creation in question: _still trying to kill us_
@@lloydfs5114 you’ve spared everyone who tried to kill you up until now
@MasterIsabelle Not sure what the others have to do with this, as this is specifically referring to Axis. And Pacifist/Neutral Ceroba really does only care about your soul, given that whether or not she follows you depending on the route and how she then tries to kill you after going through the Steamworks to take your soul for Kanako.
Honestly, for someone planning to kill us at the end of the route, she really does overreact, blaming us for a mission we never knew about.
@@lloydfs5114 ceroba cares about the soul AND the creation, she loves her husband, and she’d care about his best creation, she’s mad because of the soul AND the fact you killed him, she watched axis call her dead husband’s name over and over until he shuts down forever
The idea that ceroba only cared about the pure soul is weird, since she doesn’t freak out nearly as much if you killed any other robot in SteamWorks, she abandons the mission calmly
I brought in the others because you made a point of axis trying to kill us, but it’s not a fair statement because everyone that has tried to kill clover up to this point but has been spared, clover has spared Starlo who wanted to kill clover for his own gain, what makes axis in particular deserving of death?
@@MasterIsabelle It's less "deserving" and more "justifiable" in terms of self defense
1:28 flowey is wrong
Somebody out there still searching for this dude
what happens when you kill a robot (not axis) with cerobra following you in the steamworks in pacifist
She gets a bit mad at the end and leaves you there.
Why does this feel sadder than killing them in genocide
Undertale: Being a doormat is actually good
Omniman - don't platitude me to death 😂
This somehow made me feel sadder than undertale
9:22 I think that’s the one swear in the game, at all other times the character catches it cause there’s a child around, also you know what she did, she tried to murder a child, and her own daughter, although it’s funny that clover didn’t kill others who tried to kill them, just Ceroba, also nice that all the endings are very different, undertale had the same pacifist, flawed pacifist, and neutral ending, but in this every ending has its own, unique, final boss
Nah, that big cactus girlboss lady blocking the way in the Wild East had a potty mouth too
@@KiiBon what about fast travel?
9:52 Starlo was so real for this
Now I'm curious with what happens after you kill axis in a pacifist route. Because normally, in a neutral route, you get Martlet's letter in the steamworks, prior to this fight. Do you just not get the letter? Or do you get it at the hotland UGPS instead?
Presumably hotland
When I tried to hit starlo here, the game just crashed. not sure what i did differently
i guess certain starlos in certains game are just a little omniscient lol, when i was on pacifist and clover was sacrifcing their soul the moment starlo started talking my game crashed
@@skittles8991This is more funny to me than it should be. Like there’s just a 1/10000 chance of your Starlo being omniscient and able to crash the game whenever he pleases. Every copy of UTY is personalized
I can’t even speak I am about to cry for the first time this year because of how starlo dies
axis trying to call chujin is so sad
Flowey actually gets more pissed if you go back and spare axis after it was shown that Ceroba was using you
Martlet is so powerful she just crashes the game
Jesus Starlo's death
What happens if you kill a monster while ceroba or marlet is following you ?
What if you spare monsters only by hurting them? I noticed that most enemy names turn yellow after hurting them (I dont really know if all enemys are like this)
That doesn't mean you can spare them, it means your next attack will kill them
@calxcalibur oh I didn't know that, thanks for telling me.
the other reply is wrong, for normal enemies, they do become spareable if their HP is low enough. This is also a mechanic in Undertale.
Sparing them this way counts as a normal spare and lets you stay on the pacifist path. Fighting is allowed as long as you don't kill.
In yellow, some boss' HP also turn yellow when they're at low HP, but this seems to be a visual glitch because you can't actually spare them that way.
beating them into submission. kinda funny if you think about it
@@calxcalibur I just found out that you can spare ceroba in genocide route by hurting her
It’s sad af watching this because each of them trust you only for you to shoot them in the back.