Thanks mort love your enthusiasm! I just shucked two 8tb wd easystores for my home made NAS/Server box in a fractal design r5 case with total of 8 drives and windows ten pro with storage spaces. Works flawlessly 24/7 using asus 270h motherboard, i7-7700, 16 gigs of ram and boot ssd. Using two way mirror. Total of 34.5tb and I get half of that. Although I found out my drives formatted wrong cluster size so I can’t go bigger than total of 16tb for drive size as pool, I would have to manually reformat and make 8k cluster size or larger somehow to fix larger pool size. Stupid windows and storage spaces. Anyhow it’s fun and so far my new drives working good and they stay in 30s c temp wise. Also only using gigabit network connection, I need more to load balance like 4 port nic and or 10gb nic. Also I’m using built in sata of motherboard and a dell perc raid card, both working great together full speed and bandwidth for drives in storage spaces. I am impressed it works so well and simple. I just map drives on any system or device and copy stuff over for backup storage...
Keep in mind that these drives are cheaper because in the vast majority of cases they are SMR (Shingled Magnetic Recording) drives. While they are fine for data storage in most use cases, they have fairly terrible random read/write performance. So using them for projects where your NAS doubles as a VM host, database server, or something that needs fast random disk access is going to cause you many issues.
@@15fakeaccount WD have a couple of SMR drives (15TB) as of last year and more will be arriving and replacing their current lineup in this sector. (plenty of info on the web about this), I can almost guarantee those seagate drives are SMR, and the fact Morton is putting them in the Lenovo server concerns me as I feel he may be intending to use them in situations that will cause severe performance issues.
@@skyhawk21 documents.westerndigital.com/content/dam/doc-library/en_us/assets/public/western-digital/product/data-center-drives/ultrastar-dc-hc600-series/data-sheet-ultrastar-dc-hc620.pdf "Ultrastar DC HC600 series portfolio, which is based on host-managed shingled magnetic recording (SMR) technology" You had best let WD know about that then because they advertise that they do. There was an article early last year where WD said they will be introducing SMR to their consumer portable lineup this year but I can not find it off hand.
The 4TB 2.5" drives use SMR (shingled magnetic recording). Great for backup and other application where there is not much write activity. I would never put such a drive in a server or in a laptop (if it wasn't too thick). If you want a lot of disk space in a server, you should use one with 3.5" disks.
This is not correct, these drives use PMR. Bulllet #7, at page 5: www.seagate.com/www-content/product-content/seagate-laptop-fam/barracuda_25/en-us/docs/100804767c.pdf However, you are correct in the fact that SMR drives never should be used in a raid, for most purposes they should be considered as tape drives.
Hi Victoria Hansen I think they are SMR,, in this rev.H of the same doc : www.seagate.com/www-content/product-content/seagate-laptop-fam/barracuda_25/en-us/docs/100804767h.pdf They on page 6 write : Shingled magnetic recording with perpendicular magnetic recording heads/media. so it is both using SMR and PMR :-/ Thank you for watching! :-)
@@HomelabExtreme (Edit: these 2.5" drives probably use SMR after all) Thank you for the correction! I was sure that a high capacity, very cheap 2.5" Seagate drive had to be an SMR drive! I will now look for a sale on such a drive! It's crazy that an external drive with a case and extra USB hardware is much cheaper than only the drive.
@@MyPlayHouse Interesting. It seems that Seagate doesn't want to brag about SMR, since the information is so hard to find. All drives with SMR should have a big label with that information, because they are very bad for some purposes, like server/raid. They should only be used for backup/archive/long-term storage and other application with little writing. So the conclusion now is that these drives use SMR?
this is how i got my drives for my NAS and backups. in the US you can get the WD easystore from bestbuy on sale at times for a big savings. 8TB drives for $140-$160 pending sales. Some of them came with WD red drives, most came with white label drives. They're still working fine.
Hi Cabel330 I bought a ticket for LTX,, so I do have that option. Yes when you break out the drives,, you go to self insured.. :-/ Thank you for watching! :-)
How come this kind of external disks are cheaper than the internal ones? It basically is an internal one + the plastic case, the circuit board that converts SATA to USB3, and a power adapter. x > x + a + b + c?
@@MyPlayHouse My new dell r240 1 u server came with a 1 terabyte drive. I did some research on these as they are quoted at a higher price then just a desktop drive. Someone on Quora,thinks they're garbage,suggests tossing a brand new drive in it! In my research on the difference between a desktop drive and one built for rack servers is the rack server or server drives have anti vibration control built into them,and there heads are supposedly different.Theyre built to withstand constant vibration from hundreds of drives causing this. That's apparently why they cost twice as much as desktop drives. I do realize there a lot if misinformation on the www,but if Dell puts this in a 1 u server and it's priced up around 120 to 160,they must know what they're doing! Granted this server is mainly, or supposedly for a web or email server it can hold up to 54 ( or close to)terabytes of drives! And 64 gigs of memory! Well in short,they all do read and writes,and although communications are getting faster,the phone line can't do x gigs a second so why worry about data speeds? My cell phone provider chokes my bandwidth down to dialup speed,like all the others out there,that are greedy pigs !
Nice idea to save money. £101 vs £127 here for the same bare drive (the ones Morten has here are ST4000LM024) Now I need to know if they will work with my Adaptec 6805, or ServeRaid M5015.....
Hi Morten I don't have anything as nice as your M5. I know the M5210 is a 12Gbps card (LSI3008), but the M5015 is the older 6Gbps card. I recently got some Seagate ST91000640SS 1Tb drives and they come up as Not Supported on the M50xx (LSI9260) and BR10i (LSI1068) controllers :( Perhaps you could try one on in one of your M2/M3's...... Keep making the videos!
fwi if you ssh into the box as admin you can type cat /proc/mdstst it will tell you where its up to and how long each step will take, the % in the storage manager is not accurate as there is many tasks that it needs to do
Very interesting demonstration. But now that you described "Viking method" so well, why not take a red marker of spray paint and paint whatever the label's color may be, into Red. So it becomes very popular in a Viking way?
Hi Scott Downey You do also get less warranty,, but the testing cant cost them much,, I think you pay extra for the RED label. Thank you for watching! :-)
@@MyPlayHouse I got 9 x 3TB drives, a mixture of WD and Seagate, from USB drives back in 2011 and put them in a RaidZ2, similar to RAID 6. 6 of them are still working. On another server, I got 4 x 6TB WD Reds in 2015. 3 of them are still working.
Hi Andrew Hayes No,, it normal to have 3 phases in to your house here. Normal is 35amps, but I have 50amps :-) so 3*230 volt AC 50A,, al lot of power. Thank you for watching! :-)
Hi Edward Cullen Thank You very much! they are doing great,, these white label drives are RED drives,, same drive same firmware as a RED drive :-) Thank you for watching! :-)
@@MyPlayHouse are you sure? I'm in a position where I'm buying a 5 bay nas and the red drives are expensive, but I get 25% off wd products and an extra year warranty. So that applies to the elements. I'm worried the elements are obviously priced cheaper because they're inferior drives and probably won't have all the anti vibration compensation things that the reds have. Elements work out to £155 cheaper. That's if I buy 12TB Elements vs 10TB reds. So more capacity AND it's cheaper. But things are usually cheaper because they're inferior.... Help! I can't my lose my data. It's mission critical. >>>>>> You write THEY in your reply. But you show only a single Elements drive in this video? >>>> What are you thanking me for? >>>>> No 3.1v or whatever volt it is modification required? How do you know if the elements you'll buy will require the modification or not? BTW I live in the UK. So sending an Elements drive as is, without getting it back in the enclosure, isn't allowed for warranty here in the UK, and from what I read extracting it without damaging the enclosure is VERY hard. Here is what a guy told me on a forum: ---- start ----- Have 5 of the 8TB Easystores and 2 of the 10TB Easystores. These are basically the same thing as the Element drives, but have an exclusive branding for Best Buy. Over the last 8 months, only one of the 8TB models died. Just did the RMA with WD and only sent the drive in. Since we have right-to-repair laws, they have been better about replacing shucked ones. They are all white labeled 5400rpm drives with 256MB cache. They are in a SuperMicro 846 24-bay enclosure and run under a Windows 2019 Store Spaces pool. I also have a mix of WD Reds, Iron Wolf and HGST NAS drives which have been rock solid. I do agree with your contact that these are not held to the same standard as the Red drives. There are documented difference in performance and even a lot of variability between them. For example, the 10TB models will sustain nearly 200MB/sec writes which are close to the Reds. The 8TB seem a lot slower, even below the equivalent Red. They also only have a 2 year warranty I believe. I would not use these in my primary NAS array and stick to the ones that have vibration and other protection. ------ end ------- Another guy on another forum said this: ---- start ---- The elements may well be WD Red or HGST in 8+ sizes -but I'm not entirely convinced by the shucking thing. Firstly you get 1 year less warranty right out the gate, and you have to keep all the bits and reassemble it should you claim, and risk warranty void if damage it (different in the U.S where you can just send back the drive). They also have 3.2 pin 3 issue, so if your controller doesn't support it, you have got to mess around with an adapter cable or tape. In the smaller sizes they will be Blue/Green drives, only in the larger sizes might they be HGST/RED - the paranoid part of me also wonders if the white label drives are "binned" or remanufactured units, due to the nature of the application. Seems like a lot of hassle for a lottery. I was tempted on black Friday when the 8TB elements were down to £110 - but in the end I just bought the bare drives, so at least I know what I'm getting. ---- end ----
Hi Gilgamesh Thank You very much! You must be referring to Synology SHR,, I did a video trying to explain that : th-cam.com/video/r7du3Qp-fyo/w-d-xo.html Thank you for watching! :-)
I must admit that I have not tried the WD white label in the DS1815+,, only this RS1219+ But even if it needs the third pin power ninja hack.. it will be fine.
I use these seagate drives 5TB a lot i even made a thread about it on technet they're soooooooooo sloooow any kind of array anything non-sequential they c*** themselves but they're really cheap i hope they last long and they're just about the size of a regular sas drive so fits any server 2.5 inch bay, ReFS had a hard time keeping up with the latency though i would assume same for ZFS, raid i never tried myself.
i have heard that u get warranty from WD on deos drives. but insted of normal warranty it goes down to 2 years or so. Hopefully someone can confirm this also. also if u keep a look on slickdeals u can get does 8 and 10tb externals morten for a barging. they just sold some 10tb WD for 159USD . and still selling 8TB for 139USD. also many off does white label drives are still RED drives just white labeled.
Hi Finn Andersen Thank You very much! www.servethehome.com/wd-wd100emaz-easystore-10tb-external-backup-drive-review/ glad you liked the video :-) Thank you for watching! :-)
The only issue I can see with this is the RED drives many of them are 5400 rpm unless you get the WD RED Pro and those are 7200 rpm. So you may not get as fast a transfer rate on the slower drives. I usually buy the Toshiba HDD's they are enterprise drives, cheaper than most and also 7200 rpm. I have 4 of the 5tb models in my NAS that I may sell now as my Dell T620 has 11 TB in it and 4 more bays open for expansion. All the two are 500gb all the others 1tb so I will upgrade them to SSD soon. The SSD's are getting so cheap that it is a no brainer.
Hi C MJ Thank You very much! I do not think you can get 7200RMP's in USB boxes,, these are usually lover RPM,, and you do not buy this largs drives if you are going for max speed,, and now you just get a SSD cache disk in front of the slow BIG storage. Thank you for watching! :-)
Hello, I've looked up the deals and in Germany currently the cheapest (brand new) 10tb WD elements priced at 250 euros and a single hgst he10 or Seagate exos drive price is cheaper, 199 and 210 euros brand new.
Found cheaper hdd's with boxes, remove hdd's from boxes, void warranty. I don't get it. When drive fails /in 'warranty'/, you can't go for warranty replacement. So you have to buy a new one. Soo, where is the 'cheaper' thing?
Hi Todor Nikolov Yes,, if two of these drives fail within warranty,, I made a bad choice,, if one dies,, I still saved money.. Thank you for watching! :-)
I've checked the 5TB on amazon germany, because I thought about kil my 146gb drives in a HP SE326M1R2. I didn't noticed the difference yet, because I thought they just put the a cheap drive in it. 5TB External USB Drive 129,99 | Bulk Drive 182,60€ -> 52,61€ saved 4TB External (as you show, it's a st4000lm024) 109,99€ | same drive as bulk 146,22 € -> saving 36,23€ unfortunately the 1 TB & 2 TB are cheaper as bulk parts... So if I upgrade all 25 HDD's to 5TB it's a 1315,25€ difference / 905,75€ @ 4TB... WTF?!? At the moment I haven't a prefered brand, WD is good and seagate also, I prefere the IronWolf Pro because of their higher rpm, but for normal use RED is fine. I'm at the point where SAS/SATA Controller M1015 IT Firmware is the limit with 600MB/s, but with an extra LSI SAS9200-8e it get's full 10G combined.
BTRFS. One of the CoW file systems in the world. You can read it butter file system or b-tree file system. Pro tip: when you use butter file system, add breat to make buttery flavor toast!(;>)
Hi heechan Lee Thank You very much! we have a newspaper her called BT,, they have a lot of gossip,, so I remember it by BT Readers Fu**ing Stupid. Might not be trough,, but it helps me remember that. Thank you for watching! :-)
@@MyPlayHouse oh wow... now I REALLY want to go to LTX :,( But I'm far far far away in Brazil and don't have the money (nor time to travel).. I really wanted to meet you in person! xD Well, we'll have to leave it to the next opportunity.. ^^
I would imagine you don't use raid5/z1 or SHA-1 any more as there is as much 20%(ish) chance of second disk fail on rebuild on such high size disks (sha-2, z2 or raid6 minimum)
Bacuda? Never heard of a fish called Bacuda :P The prices for these external drives are really weird. Almost like the times, where buying a new printer was cheaper than buying the replacement cartridges. Yes, I know, the cartridges in new printers are not full. But still. Hopefully these drives come with all their platters and are not half empty :)
Hi John Kristian Aasen I might have,, but it was suggested by more,, I do believe that this disk needs the 3.3volt ninja hack,, but the Synology box does it, in this case. Thank you for watching! :-)
18:48 I liked the stunt with the VIP credit card. I had to stop the video :-) I guess you have been trekking or skiing even if it looked Chinese. Maybe a location for a new movie :-)
Hi jawbreaker It's the slower one,, but do see this.. www.servethehome.com/wd-wd100emaz-easystore-10tb-external-backup-drive-review/ Thank you for watching! :-)
Yes I've confirmed, these are white labeled WD RED drives (5400 rpm) The RED Pro line is 7200 rpm. But due to the density of these drives you still get pretty decent performance. In fact these drives perform better than my HGST Enterprise drives running at 7200. These are literally half the cost for the exact same drive. It's no surprise people are shucking these things left and right for NAS storage. Even though I'm sure we are voiding the warranty doing so. I was careful in shucking all my drives, and saved the enclosures. Haven't needed to make a warranty claim, but will give it a shot when one inevitably fails.
@@MyPlayHouse Which one? A spludger is a tool to separate two pieces of a machine. A cellphone screen from the phone, two haves of a case, etc. iFixit is a company that sells tools among other things.
The legal situation in Denmark is that a pocket knife is generally only allowed for good practical reasons, as it is illegal to carry it as a weapon. Also, "good reasons" have to be very specific in places where conflict is common, like some major sports matches or nightlife. Fists do less damage than knives. The law allows some flexibility, but instead of a pocket knife being a habit, people have come to ask "do I have a good explanation?", which become hard to invent for large knives, like those sometime featured in unboxing videos.
sea gate hdd=hdd failure+all data lost.i had lots seagate hdd,over half them failed and warned my costumer not buy them or me not responsible for data lose...
@@MyPlayHouse Typically Toshiba these days if possible. It's unfortunate that HGST was bought by WD but hopefully the HGST reliability will make it through to the WD drives. Check out www.backblaze.com/b2/hard-drive-test-data.html for more details.
cut the damn 3.3 orange wire to the sata power connector and problem solved.... no taping no EXPLAINING 20MINS OF WORTH DETAIL HOW TO DO IT....1 MINUTE OF CUTTING THE ORANGE WIRE PROBLEM SOLVED......
@my playhouse why Don't you oder the Drives you want online and ditch the local store and Quit using Regular Drives Your going to regret it Use NAS only drives Please makes you look foolish in my book I do like your videos but please no more standard drives only use NAS or Enterprise Drives Please would you use a Regular drives in a HP Server I wouldn't so why Do you use them Quit being Cheap Data is not replaceable
Hi byrd203 Thank You very much! have a good look at this : www.servethehome.com/wd-wd100emaz-easystore-10tb-external-backup-drive-review/ Thank you for watching! :-)
enought with saying western digital Dam it, get on with it. there was no dam Shucking in this all you did was slide the drives in. what a waste of my precious Life.
Thanks mort love your enthusiasm! I just shucked two 8tb wd easystores for my home made NAS/Server box in a fractal design r5 case with total of 8 drives and windows ten pro with storage spaces. Works flawlessly 24/7 using asus 270h motherboard, i7-7700, 16 gigs of ram and boot ssd. Using two way mirror. Total of 34.5tb and I get half of that. Although I found out my drives formatted wrong cluster size so I can’t go bigger than total of 16tb for drive size as pool, I would have to manually reformat and make 8k cluster size or larger somehow to fix larger pool size.
Stupid windows and storage spaces. Anyhow it’s fun and so far my new drives working good and they stay in 30s c temp wise. Also only using gigabit network connection, I need more to load balance like 4 port nic and or 10gb nic.
Also I’m using built in sata of motherboard and a dell perc raid card, both working great together full speed and bandwidth for drives in storage spaces. I am impressed it works so well and simple. I just map drives on any system or device and copy stuff over for backup storage...
Hi skyhawk311
Thank You very much! damn,, and you will have to empty out all your data to reformat :-/
Thank you for watching! :-)
Morten be careful dont cut towards yourself btw like the videos btw good luck for your SHR to get rebuilt
Hi Zhi Wei Lee
Thank You very much! NAS is all fine.
Thank you for watching! :-)
"Americans always seem to have a knife on them." Can confirm. Nice video and cheers from the US.
Hi The Sloth
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
Keep in mind that these drives are cheaper because in the vast majority of cases they are SMR (Shingled Magnetic Recording) drives. While they are fine for data storage in most use cases, they have fairly terrible random read/write performance. So using them for projects where your NAS doubles as a VM host, database server, or something that needs fast random disk access is going to cause you many issues.
Thankful WD disks doesn't have that issue.
@@15fakeaccount WD have a couple of SMR drives (15TB) as of last year and more will be arriving and replacing their current lineup in this sector. (plenty of info on the web about this), I can almost guarantee those seagate drives are SMR, and the fact Morton is putting them in the Lenovo server concerns me as I feel he may be intending to use them in situations that will cause severe performance issues.
Hi ElectroFried
Thank You very much! I will take that in to construction.
Thank you for watching! :-)
Wd don’t do smr as of yet
@@skyhawk21 documents.westerndigital.com/content/dam/doc-library/en_us/assets/public/western-digital/product/data-center-drives/ultrastar-dc-hc600-series/data-sheet-ultrastar-dc-hc620.pdf "Ultrastar DC HC600 series
portfolio, which is based on host-managed shingled magnetic recording (SMR)
technology" You had best let WD know about that then because they advertise that they do. There was an article early last year where WD said they will be introducing SMR to their consumer portable lineup this year but I can not find it off hand.
The 4TB 2.5" drives use SMR (shingled magnetic recording). Great for backup and other application where there is not much write activity. I would never put such a drive in a server or in a laptop (if it wasn't too thick). If you want a lot of disk space in a server, you should use one with 3.5" disks.
This is not correct, these drives use PMR.
Bulllet #7, at page 5: www.seagate.com/www-content/product-content/seagate-laptop-fam/barracuda_25/en-us/docs/100804767c.pdf
However, you are correct in the fact that SMR drives never should be used in a raid, for most purposes they should be considered as tape drives.
Hi Victoria Hansen
I think they are SMR,, in this rev.H of the same doc : www.seagate.com/www-content/product-content/seagate-laptop-fam/barracuda_25/en-us/docs/100804767h.pdf
They on page 6 write : Shingled magnetic recording with perpendicular magnetic recording heads/media.
so it is both using SMR and PMR :-/
Thank you for watching! :-)
@@HomelabExtreme (Edit: these 2.5" drives probably use SMR after all) Thank you for the correction! I was sure that a high capacity, very cheap 2.5" Seagate drive had to be an SMR drive! I will now look for a sale on such a drive! It's crazy that an external drive with a case and extra USB hardware is much cheaper than only the drive.
Hi ytteman
Please read my comment as well :-/
Thank you for watching! :-)
@@MyPlayHouse Interesting. It seems that Seagate doesn't want to brag about SMR, since the information is so hard to find. All drives with SMR should have a big label with that information, because they are very bad for some purposes, like server/raid. They should only be used for backup/archive/long-term storage and other application with little writing. So the conclusion now is that these drives use SMR?
The old pvr/sky boxes were a good source of storage hard drives, so keep your eyes open when you visit the rubbish dump.
Not high spec but free :-D
Hi zx8401ztv
Thank You very much! but it's not as if I need more small drives.
Thank you for watching! :-)
this is how i got my drives for my NAS and backups. in the US you can get the WD easystore from bestbuy on sale at times for a big savings. 8TB drives for $140-$160 pending sales. Some of them came with WD red drives, most came with white label drives. They're still working fine.
Hi joebleed
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
Yep same here and u do get warranty still!!!
So getting one with a red label is like getting a Willy Wonka ticket.
When unboxing is a popular topic, deep unboxing should just be that much better :-)
Hi Johnnie Hougaard Nielsen
Unboxing and braking..
Thank you for watching! :-)
11:07 ECG ?? :D
BTW: Are you going to LTX?
22:38 no savings if the HDD breaks, right!?
Hi Cabel330
I bought a ticket for LTX,, so I do have that option.
Yes when you break out the drives,, you go to self insured.. :-/
Thank you for watching! :-)
@@MyPlayHouse
I meant if they break in use with the server. After a half year or so. This is my concern.
Hi Cabel330
Yes,, then you have to pay for new,, that is the risk.
Thank you for watching! :-)
yeah, I also opened an USB drive from samsung and the damn thing had a custom PCB with no SATA interface at all.. very frustrating =/
Hi NinoM4ster
Thank You very much! I had ordered 3,, but I managed to cancel the order and reorder these seagates.
Thank you for watching! :-)
@@MyPlayHouse aalways a pleasure! =)
How come this kind of external disks are cheaper than the internal ones? It basically is an internal one + the plastic case, the circuit board that converts SATA to USB3, and a power adapter. x > x + a + b + c?
We are not sure,, lot's of theories less facts :-)
Actually,with a usb connection on del and hp server internal on the mobo,the sata drives yu discussed could work inside .
Hi david russell
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
@@MyPlayHouse My new dell r240 1 u server came with a 1 terabyte drive.
I did some research on these as they are quoted at a higher price then just a desktop drive.
Someone on Quora,thinks they're garbage,suggests tossing a brand new drive in it!
In my research on the difference between a desktop drive and one built for rack servers is the rack server or server drives have anti vibration control built into them,and there heads are supposedly different.Theyre built to withstand constant vibration from hundreds of drives causing this.
That's apparently why they cost twice as much as desktop drives.
I do realize there a lot if misinformation on the www,but if Dell puts this in a 1 u server and it's priced up around 120 to 160,they must know what they're doing!
Granted this server is mainly, or supposedly for a web or email server it can hold up to 54 ( or close to)terabytes of drives! And 64 gigs of memory!
Well in short,they all do read and writes,and although communications are getting faster,the phone line can't do x gigs a second so why worry about data speeds?
My cell phone provider chokes my bandwidth down to dialup speed,like all the others out there,that are greedy pigs !
Nice idea to save money. £101 vs £127 here for the same bare drive (the ones Morten has here are ST4000LM024) Now I need to know if they will work with my Adaptec 6805, or ServeRaid M5015.....
Hi Alex
Thank You very much! I am sure they will,, I have put them i my Lenovo x3650 M5 with a M5210,, video is comming.
Thank you for watching! :-)
Hi Morten
I don't have anything as nice as your M5. I know the M5210 is a 12Gbps card (LSI3008), but the M5015 is the older 6Gbps card. I recently got some Seagate ST91000640SS 1Tb drives and they come up as Not Supported on the M50xx (LSI9260) and BR10i (LSI1068) controllers :( Perhaps you could try one on in one of your M2/M3's......
Keep making the videos!
fwi if you ssh into the box as admin you can type cat /proc/mdstst it will tell you where its up to and how long each step will take, the % in the storage manager is not accurate as there is many tasks that it needs to do
Hi Peterfixit
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
Very interesting demonstration. But now that you described "Viking method" so well, why not take a red marker of spray paint and paint whatever the label's color may be, into Red. So it becomes very popular in a Viking way?
Hi Sam Sen
Nahh red is a girl color! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
I think they are cheaper because WD does less testing than the Red drives before they are packaged.
Hi Scott Downey
You do also get less warranty,, but the testing cant cost them much,, I think you pay extra for the RED label.
Thank you for watching! :-)
@@MyPlayHouse
I got 9 x 3TB drives, a mixture of WD and Seagate, from USB drives back in 2011 and put them in a RaidZ2, similar to RAID 6. 6 of them are still working. On another server, I got 4 x 6TB WD Reds in 2015. 3 of them are still working.
@@katrinabryce I also started with 3TB drives,, but moved to 4TB,, then 8 and now 10TB
Did you have to make any major adjustments to your electrical supply to run your massive server rig?
Hi Andrew Hayes
No,, it normal to have 3 phases in to your house here. Normal is 35amps, but I have 50amps :-) so 3*230 volt AC 50A,, al lot of power.
Thank you for watching! :-)
Loving the videos. Will you need to put in another backplane for the X3650 M5 for the 2 empty slots?
Hi Eric Yost
Thank You very much! No I am using two now and it will do 8 before I need to do more.
Thank you for watching! :-)
How is that drive doing now? It isn't designed for a NAS environment, so please tell me how it's going. Thanks
Hi Edward Cullen
Thank You very much! they are doing great,, these white label drives are RED drives,, same drive same firmware as a RED drive :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
@@MyPlayHouse are you sure? I'm in a position where I'm buying a 5 bay nas and the red drives are expensive, but I get 25% off wd products and an extra year warranty.
So that applies to the elements.
I'm worried the elements are obviously priced cheaper because they're inferior drives and probably won't have all the anti vibration compensation things that the reds have.
Elements work out to £155 cheaper.
That's if I buy 12TB Elements vs 10TB reds. So more capacity AND it's cheaper. But things are usually cheaper because they're inferior.... Help!
I can't my lose my data. It's mission critical.
>>>>>> You write THEY in your reply. But you show only a single Elements drive in this video?
>>>> What are you thanking me for?
>>>>> No 3.1v or whatever volt it is modification required? How do you know if the elements you'll buy will require the modification or not?
BTW I live in the UK. So sending an Elements drive as is, without getting it back in the enclosure, isn't allowed for warranty here in the UK, and from what I read extracting it without damaging the enclosure is VERY hard.
Here is what a guy told me on a forum:
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Have 5 of the 8TB Easystores and 2 of the 10TB Easystores. These are basically the same thing as the Element drives, but have an exclusive branding for Best Buy.
Over the last 8 months, only one of the 8TB models died. Just did the RMA with WD and only sent the drive in. Since we have right-to-repair laws, they have been better about replacing shucked ones. They are all white labeled 5400rpm drives with 256MB cache. They are in a SuperMicro 846 24-bay enclosure and run under a Windows 2019 Store Spaces pool. I also have a mix of WD Reds, Iron Wolf and HGST NAS drives which have been rock solid.
I do agree with your contact that these are not held to the same standard as the Red drives. There are documented difference in performance and even a lot of variability between them. For example, the 10TB models will sustain nearly 200MB/sec writes which are close to the Reds. The 8TB seem a lot slower, even below the equivalent Red. They also only have a 2 year warranty I believe. I would not use these in my primary NAS array and stick to the ones that have vibration and other protection.
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The elements may well be WD Red or HGST in 8+ sizes -but I'm not entirely convinced by the shucking thing. Firstly you get 1 year less warranty right out the gate, and you have to keep all the bits and reassemble it should you claim, and risk warranty void if damage it (different in the U.S where you can just send back the drive).
They also have 3.2 pin 3 issue, so if your controller doesn't support it, you have got to mess around with an adapter cable or tape. In the smaller sizes they will be Blue/Green drives, only in the larger sizes might they be HGST/RED - the paranoid part of me also wonders if the white label drives are "binned" or remanufactured units, due to the nature of the application.
Seems like a lot of hassle for a lottery. I was tempted on black Friday when the 8TB elements were down to £110 - but in the end I just bought the bare drives, so at least I know what I'm getting.
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Not a fan, but interestingly Seagate IronWolfs have specific firmware that shows up / interacts with Synologys where WDs dont
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That's one THICK 2.5" drive. Not even ancient laptops could house that behemoth lol
Hi Christian Ivarsson
No but my Lenovo x3650 M5 will eat them raw in the next video,, ahh next week.
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Nice video. ! End of the year i want to order 6 x 10tb drives ..
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Could you tell me about that special raid 5 you were talking about? I would like to know what's a better alternative.
Hi Gilgamesh
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Hi, u know if this "WD white label" work on the 1815+ synology without the problem of the third pin power ?
Tnx for reply :)
I must admit that I have not tried the WD white label in the DS1815+,, only this RS1219+ But even if it needs the third pin power ninja hack.. it will be fine.
I use these seagate drives 5TB a lot i even made a thread about it on technet they're soooooooooo sloooow any kind of array anything non-sequential they c*** themselves but they're really cheap i hope they last long and they're just about the size of a regular sas drive so fits any server 2.5 inch bay, ReFS had a hard time keeping up with the latency though i would assume same for ZFS, raid i never tried myself.
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i have heard that u get warranty from WD on deos drives. but insted of normal warranty it goes down to 2 years or so. Hopefully someone can confirm this also. also if u keep a look on slickdeals u can get does 8 and 10tb externals morten for a barging. they just sold some 10tb WD for 159USD . and still selling 8TB for 139USD. also many off does white label drives are still RED drives just white labeled.
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The only issue I can see with this is the RED drives many of them are 5400 rpm unless you get the WD RED Pro and those are 7200 rpm. So you may not get as fast a transfer rate on the slower drives. I usually buy the Toshiba HDD's they are enterprise drives, cheaper than most and also 7200 rpm. I have 4 of the 5tb models in my NAS that I may sell now as my Dell T620 has 11 TB in it and 4 more bays open for expansion. All the two are 500gb all the others 1tb so I will upgrade them to SSD soon. The SSD's are getting so cheap that it is a no brainer.
Hi C MJ
Thank You very much! I do not think you can get 7200RMP's in USB boxes,, these are usually lover RPM,, and you do not buy this largs drives if you are going for max speed,, and now you just get a SSD cache disk in front of the slow BIG storage.
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Hello, I've looked up the deals and in Germany currently the cheapest (brand new) 10tb WD elements priced at 250 euros and a single hgst he10 or Seagate exos drive price is cheaper, 199 and 210 euros brand new.
Hi Victor Shane
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Found cheaper hdd's with boxes, remove hdd's from boxes, void warranty. I don't get it. When drive fails /in 'warranty'/, you can't go for warranty replacement. So you have to buy a new one. Soo, where is the 'cheaper' thing?
Hi Todor Nikolov
Yes,, if two of these drives fail within warranty,, I made a bad choice,, if one dies,, I still saved money..
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This is how you do it at home, when it is your money. At work, we order drives by the case of 20 direct from the wholesaler.
Hi Chris Moore
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I've checked the 5TB on amazon germany, because I thought about kil my 146gb drives in a HP SE326M1R2. I didn't noticed the difference yet, because I thought they just put the a cheap drive in it.
5TB External USB Drive 129,99 | Bulk Drive 182,60€ -> 52,61€ saved
4TB External (as you show, it's a st4000lm024) 109,99€ | same drive as bulk 146,22 € -> saving 36,23€
unfortunately the 1 TB & 2 TB are cheaper as bulk parts...
So if I upgrade all 25 HDD's to 5TB it's a 1315,25€ difference / 905,75€ @ 4TB... WTF?!?
At the moment I haven't a prefered brand, WD is good and seagate also, I prefere the IronWolf Pro because of their higher rpm, but for normal use RED is fine. I'm at the point where SAS/SATA Controller M1015 IT Firmware is the limit with 600MB/s, but with an extra LSI SAS9200-8e it get's full 10G combined.
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BTRFS. One of the CoW file systems in the world.
You can read it butter file system or b-tree file system.
Pro tip: when you use butter file system, add breat to make buttery flavor toast!(;>)
Hi heechan Lee
Thank You very much! we have a newspaper her called BT,, they have a lot of gossip,, so I remember it by BT Readers Fu**ing Stupid.
Might not be trough,, but it helps me remember that.
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Super Glue is a wonderful thing.
Hi esmannr
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11:58 you going to LTX? :D
Bought a ticket for it.
@@MyPlayHouse oh wow... now I REALLY want to go to LTX :,(
But I'm far far far away in Brazil and don't have the money (nor time to travel)..
I really wanted to meet you in person! xD
Well, we'll have to leave it to the next opportunity.. ^^
+1 like when you said the thing about the Viking sword.
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Morten: My cat walked on it
Insurance Company: Your cat is quite good at breaking the tabs…
Morten: Yeah I know… I have traned her to do that...
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I would imagine you don't use raid5/z1 or SHA-1 any more as there is as much 20%(ish) chance of second disk fail on rebuild on such high size disks (sha-2, z2 or raid6 minimum)
Ahh,, where did you come up with 20% chance of failure. . Please remember that raid, is there so you do not need to restore from backup.
@@MyPlayHouse I did say ish :) for large disks generally you want to use raid 6/z2 for lower downtime if you happen to have a second disk fail/error
Hey Morton, do you go to LTX19?
Hi Puma2535
I bought a ticket,, so I might.
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Hello there, So you dnt carry about hdd firmware? You never update these?
Hi andjey _
I have had to,, but if they work,, I do not.
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Bacuda? Never heard of a fish called Bacuda :P
The prices for these external drives are really weird. Almost like the times, where buying a new printer was cheaper than buying the replacement cartridges. Yes, I know, the cartridges in new printers are not full. But still. Hopefully these drives come with all their platters and are not half empty :)
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19:00 I like eevlogs knife
Hi Philip Saunders
Yes he has a good joke going on there!
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Nice Morten !!
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i see you saw the video i sent you about the 3v pin :)
Hi John Kristian Aasen
I might have,, but it was suggested by more,, I do believe that this disk needs the 3.3volt ninja hack,, but the Synology box does it, in this case.
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18:48 I liked the stunt with the VIP credit card. I had to stop the video :-) I guess you have been trekking or skiing even if it looked Chinese. Maybe a location for a new movie :-)
Hi Carsten Hansen
Thank You very much! some card that came with a tripod from china.. not important at all
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WTF
What is the RPM of this drive? The 10TB drive. I bet it is not 7200 that is why it is cheaper! Is it 5400rpm?
Hi jawbreaker
It's the slower one,, but do see this.. www.servethehome.com/wd-wd100emaz-easystore-10tb-external-backup-drive-review/
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5400rpm reads and writes over 200MBPS 1/3 speed of ssd
Stays cool 30c
Yes I've confirmed, these are white labeled WD RED drives (5400 rpm) The RED Pro line is 7200 rpm. But due to the density of these drives you still get pretty decent performance. In fact these drives perform better than my HGST Enterprise drives running at 7200.
These are literally half the cost for the exact same drive. It's no surprise people are shucking these things left and right for NAS storage. Even though I'm sure we are voiding the warranty doing so.
I was careful in shucking all my drives, and saved the enclosures. Haven't needed to make a warranty claim, but will give it a shot when one inevitably fails.
that paper was heatsink purpose.....atleast so tomshardware forums say
Hi rs agarwaen
Thank You very much! Now they get air flow instead.
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You need a spludger from iFixit.
What is that!
@@MyPlayHouse Which one? A spludger is a tool to separate two pieces of a machine. A cellphone screen from the phone, two haves of a case, etc. iFixit is a company that sells tools among other things.
Very good video well done
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That is an awfully thin blade on that knife. Why is it not normal to carry a pocket knife ?
Hi Chris Moore
Very strict weapon law..
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The legal situation in Denmark is that a pocket knife is generally only allowed for good practical reasons, as it is illegal to carry it as a weapon. Also, "good reasons" have to be very specific in places where conflict is common, like some major sports matches or nightlife. Fists do less damage than knives. The law allows some flexibility, but instead of a pocket knife being a habit, people have come to ask "do I have a good explanation?", which become hard to invent for large knives, like those sometime featured in unboxing videos.
In Australia if you punch someone who breaks into your house you get arrested for assault.
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Morten "The Shuckster" Hjorth... lol
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sea gate hdd=hdd failure+all data lost.i had lots seagate hdd,over half them failed and warned my costumer not buy them or me not responsible for data lose...
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You were playing that for laughs because you already said you looked at some videos on how to open them.
Funny
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They aren't the same. The external ones are much slower (5400 rpm). Why do people keep recommending this stupid idea...
But they are : www.servethehome.com/wd-wd100emaz-easystore-10tb-external-backup-drive-review/3/
Good luck with those. I won’t trust either WD or Seagate drives. Too many failures for my liking.
Clive Flint so what drive would u go with because all other brands suck and wd owns hgst now
Hi Clive Flint
Thank You very much! But Yes,, what HD god do you pray to ?
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@@MyPlayHouse Typically Toshiba these days if possible. It's unfortunate that HGST was bought by WD but hopefully the HGST reliability will make it through to the WD drives. Check out www.backblaze.com/b2/hard-drive-test-data.html for more details.
cut the damn 3.3 orange wire to the sata power connector and problem solved.... no taping no EXPLAINING 20MINS OF WORTH DETAIL HOW TO DO IT....1 MINUTE OF CUTTING THE ORANGE WIRE PROBLEM SOLVED......
Life is 100% deadly,, you will get there soon enough.. And this video was not about the 3.3volt trick,, it was never needed.
I would put the Seagate back in. It's a great drive and shouldn't be laying on the shelf
Hi Niklas P.
I have another plan :-)
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Goodness me, you have a lot of kit. Are you communicating with alien planets.🙆☎📡💻📡👽.?
I can not confirm or deny that,, ask them!
Haha yea WD 2.5" are special.
Hi Gandalf3
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Hy Morton you can Speed up the raid Rebuild Time with this ssh commads: forum.synology.com/enu/viewtopic.php?t=121532
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You are being equally unfair to WD and Seagate.
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@my playhouse why Don't you oder the Drives you want online and ditch the local store and Quit using Regular Drives Your going to regret it Use NAS only drives Please makes you look foolish in my book I do like your videos but please no more standard drives only use NAS or Enterprise Drives Please would you use a Regular drives in a HP Server I wouldn't so why Do you use them Quit being Cheap Data is not replaceable
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enought with saying western digital Dam it, get on with it. there was no dam Shucking in this all you did was slide the drives in. what a waste of my precious Life.
To the best of my knowledge,, taking the drives out of those useless USB boxes, is called shucking drives,, I did that.