I bought a lot of external 10TB, 8TB, and 14TB drives back in 2019/2020 and need to shuck them. They're going in my spare (backup) TrueNAS servers. The primaries have enterprise drives/SSDs. I loved how you opened up these cases without breaking them. Mine are out-of-warranty, but there are always deals on externals. :)
Well done. I bought this at Best Buy and immediately looked for this on TH-cam. You are an excellent presenter. Your tips at the end are helpful as well. Two of these are heading for my new Asustor AS1002T v2 NAS. I will use the vacated housings with a couple older 2TB drives as portable USB3.0 external drives for off-site archives. Thank you for your thoughty video and selfless service to the IT community at large.
@@ArtofServer Also, I tested the 10GB drive BEFORE I took it out of the housing. I'm sure no where near your soon to come video on NAS drive testing, but I will stay tuned for that video when it comes.
Scan or take photos of those receipts along with the serial numbers that go with each one. Keep them somewhere you will not lose them easily if you can. A lot of receipts are in thermal paper which is probably the same as fax paper for some machines and will fade eventually. When I was a child, they were using dot matrix printers a lot. I still remember it. Now the printers are almost silent.
good point. most of the NAS systems and servers I work with are proper server gear so they don't have the 3.3v issue on the backplanes. your point is valid if someone is building a system out of consumer grade parts and using SATA power adapters.
The Easystores seems to be sold in Europe as MyBook Essentials (shunked 4 WDs (2 MyBooks because I got them off of clearance for even cheaper than Mybook Essentials) and 2 MyBook Essentials last week) The only diference between the Easy Stores and the Mybook Essentials I found is that the My Books are rested on rubber pads instead of torx screw pads. The WD100EMAZ is a white label version of a WD Red 10TB NAS drive, they seem to be inside of every 10 TB WD Easystore, MyBook, MyBook Essentials.
You and me and everybody has high capacity spinning rust. BUT. There are x1000 more of them in server farms. In reality they want to charge your more for a Red NAS drive, but when it comes to usb drives, they are usually enterprise/red drives.
This is a awesome video! I am in ❤️ with all your content! Also I am in Bangalore, India based! Working in storage companies for the past few years from 2011!
Hello again. I bought 16 of these drives and shucked em all like you did. I have 12 in hot swap cages (4 as spares) in a Plex server running Win 10 in a hardware raid 6 with your IBM expander. The drives have been initializing for about 5 days now and have about 5 days left. My question is, is the 10 days initializing considered enough of a "burn in" period or should I still test them?
Well, "considered enough of a burn in" is really a subjective matter. If you feel like it is enough, and it is to your satisfaction, then you're probably just fine. When I did a burn-in of these drives, it took about 5 days and I was satisfied with that.
@@weezie64weezie With electronics manufacturing, there is something called "early failure" or "infant mortality" rate. The point of burn-in testing new HDDs is to eliminate these before putting the rest of the HDD into production use. I also do the same with used HDDs, and this is to eliminate what is called "wear out failures", or basically HDDs that are beginning to wear out or otherwise have problems. The point of all this "burn-in" is to help eliminate problems while the HDDs are in use. Of course, it doesn't eliminate the chances of failure to 0%, so you should still consider using methods to of data protection against equipment failures. E.g., data redundancy/parity, backups, etc.
on some systems... most servers do not provide 3.3v to the HDD bays anyway. the issue is mostly with desktop PCs power supplies that have SATA power with 3.3v.
@@ArtofServer Thanks for your wonderful explanation about how to boot a HP 820 using the hybrid approach of putting grub on a USB stick. I tried using that approach after disabling the internal LSI SAS2 2308 "Mustang" HBA of the HP 820 (because it's in IR mode, and it conflicts with the IT-mode LSI 9201-16e P20 firmware no-ROM that I need to use, indeed the machine can't even get to its own BIOS settings when the IT-mode LSI 9201-16e card is installed and the motherboard's SAS2 2308 HBA is left enabled, any idea why? The BIOS of the Z820 is updated to the latest version 2.15.1229 which is J63 v03.96 Rev.A as far as I can tell). That approach worked well until Debian upgraded its kernel, I guess it does the equivalent of update-grub, and when I rebooted I found that the USB was no longer able to boot the system, so I ended up having to put the Debian netinst CD in and use its advanced menu rescue mode to reinstall grub, and then the USB could boot the system again. Any idea why that happens? Is it because of something in EFI that gets confused? Anyway, I thought of another way that I can boot the machine, by adding in a little mSATA SSD into a PCIe adapter card (which also conveniently has a couple of SATA ports on it, so I can also hook up some "spinning rust") this approach seems to be more reliable, at least it's always able to boot up, and I can leave all the BIOS settings in the happy land of "legacy mode" and not worry about all this UEFI stuff until the future arrives. Although I am a fan of UEFI after having learned how to use it to cross-flash SAS cards. One other thing I need to learn is how to flash the SAS adapter of the HP Z820 into IT mode, do you have any hints on the steps to do that? (as well as how to go back, as I might need to boot Microsoft Windows on this machine some time, and the hard drive that it's installed on is connected to the SAS adapter on the motherboard even though it is a SATA drive I'm not sure it'd be easy to get it to boot from a SATA connector, I'm relatively clueless about Microsoft and prefer to use Debian for all of my servers). It's great discovering your channel, there are too many videos I need to watch! I was also wondering what kind of SAS breakout cable would I need to connect from the 9208-16e to the internal SATA connectors of the Z820's internal drive enclosure? I have a little adapter card that converts from external SAS to internal SAS whatever the names of those are, but how do I connect from the internal SAS to SATA? I'm not sure on the gender of the SATA I guess it needs to be the same gender as the SATA connectors on the motherboard, so it'd be quite an unusual SAS cable, any idea where to find one? Update: I think it's your item number 163957226707, right? www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Z800-workstation-SAS-2-conversion-cable-SFF-8087-4xSATA-MALE-676918-001/163957226707 Another puzzling thing with the HP Z820, the fans seem to conspire to make a kind of 1/2 second oscillating droning sound, it goes away when I put a piece of paper over the front air intake or if I open the side panel. Any idea what the trouble could be? It seems to have something to do with the front fans, rather than the huge clump of fans over the CPU and memory...
imagine if wd would actually make them from the factory bare hdds and sell them for the price of them in a external usb box end users would still get a good deal and wd would a make a bit more profit for not having to make and include the case, adapter pcb board and power supply in the price good deal on both ends
Nah dude, your mistake here is assuming that profit has any absolute relationship with material reality. The fact that the drives inside of these enclosures aren't advertised is the point, and is what allows them to maximally profit from both the general consumers and the heavy "prosumers" (Of course, as you noticed, the hidden cost here is waste in terms of pollution, which isn't taken into account in the nearsightedness of capitalism and is offloaded to the rest of the world.).
That's good but i've found a better deal in my opinion. I've found a seller on ebay here in italy that sall 2tb SAS drives for 15$ each. I have a Netapp DS-4246 storage shelf so if i can make it work as i whant it to work it will be beatifull
Testing 10TB over USB takes about twice as long as testing over SAS/SATA directly, which is the difference between 11-days or 6-days. It makes a huge difference.
@@ArtofServer SATA3 transfer rate is 4.8 Gb/s, USB3.0 can transfer data at up to 5 Gb/s. How fast can this HDD be 200-250 MB/s? 250 MB/s equals 2 Gb/s which is only 40% of USB3 bandwidth leaving room for protocol overhead. However if you can't reach this kind of speed over USB it may mean that WD used some shitty controllers. Definitely something worth testing.
Good deal. Was able to get larger capacity drives at a better per TB cost than buying smaller capacity bare WD Red drives.
A little wordy but the best explanation of how to open the Easydrive case without breaking the little plastic retainer tabs.
I bought a lot of external 10TB, 8TB, and 14TB drives back in 2019/2020 and need to shuck them. They're going in my spare (backup) TrueNAS servers. The primaries have enterprise drives/SSDs. I loved how you opened up these cases without breaking them. Mine are out-of-warranty, but there are always deals on externals. :)
yeah... shucking drives from USB enclosures continues to be a source of cheap storage even today. thanks for watching! :-)
I don't know whats worse the fact I took notes watching this video or the fact I don't even own one to follow along
Well done. I bought this at Best Buy and immediately looked for this on TH-cam. You are an excellent presenter. Your tips at the end are helpful as well. Two of these are heading for my new Asustor AS1002T v2 NAS. I will use the vacated housings with a couple older 2TB drives as portable USB3.0 external drives for off-site archives. Thank you for your thoughty video and selfless service to the IT community at large.
Thank you! Really glad you found w helpful! :-)
@@ArtofServer Also, I tested the 10GB drive BEFORE I took it out of the housing. I'm sure no where near your soon to come video on NAS drive testing, but I will stay tuned for that video when it comes.
@@TubedAZYou actually, I released the video on hard drive burn-in a while ago. Check it out: th-cam.com/video/9bh5ZK8z4ZA/w-d-xo.html
Scan or take photos of those receipts along with the serial numbers that go with each one. Keep them somewhere you will not lose them easily if you can. A lot of receipts are in thermal paper which is probably the same as fax paper for some machines and will fade eventually. When I was a child, they were using dot matrix printers a lot. I still remember it. Now the printers are almost silent.
Nice shuck, but what about pin 3? Don't these need special power adapters to work, instead of as you say "ready to plug into NAS".
good point. most of the NAS systems and servers I work with are proper server gear so they don't have the 3.3v issue on the backplanes. your point is valid if someone is building a system out of consumer grade parts and using SATA power adapters.
This is the best method so far. Thank you!
Great walkthrough. Thanks for Sharing.
Great deal on the hard drive and you also can use the case for another hard drive that you can use .
Keep an eye for Best buy's deals. The other day 8tb were 130
best shucking video I have seen! thanks!
The Easystores seems to be sold in Europe as MyBook Essentials (shunked 4 WDs (2 MyBooks because I got them off of clearance for even cheaper than Mybook Essentials) and 2 MyBook Essentials last week)
The only diference between the Easy Stores and the Mybook Essentials I found is that the My Books are rested on rubber pads instead of torx screw pads.
The WD100EMAZ is a white label version of a WD Red 10TB NAS drive, they seem to be inside of every 10 TB WD Easystore, MyBook, MyBook Essentials.
You and me and everybody has high capacity spinning rust. BUT. There are x1000 more of them in server farms. In reality they want to charge your more for a Red NAS drive, but when it comes to usb drives, they are usually enterprise/red drives.
This is a awesome video! I am in ❤️ with all your content! Also I am in Bangalore, India based! Working in storage companies for the past few years from 2011!
Thank you for watching!
Thanks man.
Hello again. I bought 16 of these drives and shucked em all like you did. I have 12 in hot swap cages (4 as spares) in a Plex server running Win 10 in a hardware raid 6 with your IBM expander. The drives have been initializing for about 5 days now and have about 5 days left. My question is, is the 10 days initializing considered enough of a "burn in" period or should I still test them?
Well, "considered enough of a burn in" is really a subjective matter. If you feel like it is enough, and it is to your satisfaction, then you're probably just fine. When I did a burn-in of these drives, it took about 5 days and I was satisfied with that.
@@ArtofServer Excellent. I was thinking the same. Thanks.
@@ArtofServer Can this be explained please? Is this something that should always be done?
@@weezie64weezie With electronics manufacturing, there is something called "early failure" or "infant mortality" rate. The point of burn-in testing new HDDs is to eliminate these before putting the rest of the HDD into production use.
I also do the same with used HDDs, and this is to eliminate what is called "wear out failures", or basically HDDs that are beginning to wear out or otherwise have problems.
The point of all this "burn-in" is to help eliminate problems while the HDDs are in use. Of course, it doesn't eliminate the chances of failure to 0%, so you should still consider using methods to of data protection against equipment failures. E.g., data redundancy/parity, backups, etc.
@@ArtofServer Thank you so much for the prompt reply, I appreciate it.
I thought you had to disable one of the power pins or something on some model?
on some systems... most servers do not provide 3.3v to the HDD bays anyway. the issue is mostly with desktop PCs power supplies that have SATA power with 3.3v.
I suppose you could put a different drive in there for smaller external storage for a desktop or laptop?
Pretty much
bht is a good tool for bulk hard drive testing, it's more convenient than badblocks.
Thanks!
@@ArtofServer Thanks for your wonderful explanation about how to boot a HP 820 using the hybrid approach of putting grub on a USB stick. I tried using that approach after disabling the internal LSI SAS2 2308 "Mustang" HBA of the HP 820 (because it's in IR mode, and it conflicts with the IT-mode LSI 9201-16e P20 firmware no-ROM that I need to use, indeed the machine can't even get to its own BIOS settings when the IT-mode LSI 9201-16e card is installed and the motherboard's SAS2 2308 HBA is left enabled, any idea why? The BIOS of the Z820 is updated to the latest version 2.15.1229 which is J63 v03.96 Rev.A as far as I can tell).
That approach worked well until Debian upgraded its kernel, I guess it does the equivalent of update-grub, and when I rebooted I found that the USB was no longer able to boot the system, so I ended up having to put the Debian netinst CD in and use its advanced menu rescue mode to reinstall grub, and then the USB could boot the system again. Any idea why that happens?
Is it because of something in EFI that gets confused?
Anyway, I thought of another way that I can boot the machine, by adding in a little mSATA SSD into a PCIe adapter card (which also conveniently has a couple of SATA ports on it, so I can also hook up some "spinning rust") this approach seems to be more reliable, at least it's always able to boot up, and I can leave all the BIOS settings in the happy land of "legacy mode" and not worry about all this UEFI stuff until the future arrives. Although I am a fan of UEFI after having learned how to use it to cross-flash SAS cards.
One other thing I need to learn is how to flash the SAS adapter of the HP Z820 into IT mode, do you have any hints on the steps to do that? (as well as how to go back, as I might need to boot Microsoft Windows on this machine some time, and the hard drive that it's installed on is connected to the SAS adapter on the motherboard even though it is a SATA drive I'm not sure it'd be easy to get it to boot from a SATA connector, I'm relatively clueless about Microsoft and prefer to use Debian for all of my servers).
It's great discovering your channel, there are too many videos I need to watch!
I was also wondering what kind of SAS breakout cable would I need to connect from the 9208-16e to the internal SATA connectors of the Z820's internal drive enclosure? I have a little adapter card that converts from external SAS to internal SAS whatever the names of those are, but how do I connect from the internal SAS to SATA? I'm not sure on the gender of the SATA I guess it needs to be the same gender as the SATA connectors on the motherboard, so it'd be quite an unusual SAS cable, any idea where to find one?
Update: I think it's your item number 163957226707, right? www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Z800-workstation-SAS-2-conversion-cable-SFF-8087-4xSATA-MALE-676918-001/163957226707
Another puzzling thing with the HP Z820, the fans seem to conspire to make a kind of 1/2 second oscillating droning sound, it goes away when I put a piece of paper over the front air intake or if I open the side panel. Any idea what the trouble could be? It seems to have something to do with the front fans, rather than the huge clump of fans over the CPU and memory...
Do you have a suggestion for a replacement USB cable for these? Or are you selling any of them?
I think you can find them on eBay like this rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F382885454944
I heard they can not be used as an internal HDD. Is it true?
false. that's the whole point of this video.
no "shuck" or "shucking" for people searching?
Hmmm it's in the keywords... search doesn't show?
@@ArtofServer Cool; I only looked in the title and description. Good luck with the store, and thanks for the vids!
@@Trooper_Ish Thank you for your support! :-)
imagine if wd would actually make them from the factory bare hdds and sell them for the price of them in a external usb box end users would still get a good deal and wd would a make a bit more profit for not having to make and include the case, adapter pcb board and power supply in the price good deal on both ends
Nah dude, your mistake here is assuming that profit has any absolute relationship with material reality. The fact that the drives inside of these enclosures aren't advertised is the point, and is what allows them to maximally profit from both the general consumers and the heavy "prosumers" (Of course, as you noticed, the hidden cost here is waste in terms of pollution, which isn't taken into account in the nearsightedness of capitalism and is offloaded to the rest of the world.).
That's good but i've found a better deal in my opinion. I've found a seller on ebay here in italy that sall 2tb SAS drives for 15$ each.
I have a Netapp DS-4246 storage shelf so if i can make it work as i whant it to work it will be beatifull
just hook it up to usb and run the wd test programs on it for a while.
Hard Drive Shucking!
LOL Test the drive before you shuck them.
Testing 10TB over USB takes about twice as long as testing over SAS/SATA directly, which is the difference between 11-days or 6-days. It makes a huge difference.
@@ArtofServer SATA3 transfer rate is 4.8 Gb/s, USB3.0 can transfer data at up to 5 Gb/s. How fast can this HDD be 200-250 MB/s? 250 MB/s equals 2 Gb/s which is only 40% of USB3 bandwidth leaving room for protocol overhead. However if you can't reach this kind of speed over USB it may mean that WD used some shitty controllers. Definitely something worth testing.