That ending might be the most honest review I've ever seen, the sentiment of "its not perfect, but it doesn't have to be a 10/10 for you to really enjoy it" . Its good to see that even years into boardgame reviewing, the SUSD team haven't reduced it all to numbers and "which game is best is all that matters". They still genuinely love the hobby, and thats awesome.
HAHA! Exactly what i thought he was going to do also as he turned and pulled the box up. I mean, for these guys , its not out of the realm of possibility that might happen.
I thought it'd be a right at the end of the review turnaround. "I quite like it, bit if it got caught on fire..." As he tosses it in the fire,. "I still have Quacks of Queddlonburg!"
And i say what about Taverns of Tiefenthal... She said, "I think I remember the game, And as I recall, I think we both kinda liked it" And I said, "Well, that's the one thing we've got"….... Tn n n n n n
you'll saaaay the randomness caused tension plus you couldn't build an engine and the theme just fell apart Then you saaaay the expansions make it worth it watching the dancers work it and the old man catch on fire
Had the loveliest time at SPIEL this year playing Taverns. An older lady just sat down at the Schmidt Spiele booth and said "Do you want to try this game?". She explained the game in like five minutes and set it all up. We thought she was working at the booth but she just had a lot of fun playing it before and wanted to play it again. She won of course but we had so much fun and decided to buy the game right away. The vanilla version plays really quick but I'm really looking forward to trying out the different modules.
Wow. I would have likely avoided the game following this review, but I actually bought it months ago, sneaking in an international order here to the states, and I must say that I adore this game. The warmth you refer to many times is such an easy way of describing this games' greatest appeal. I'm glad I picked it up before I saw this because I think I'd be missing out on a wonderful board game.
I don't consider this a negative review. Pointing out some flaws, which might matter more to some people than others, doesn't mean the game goes into the fire. That was kind of the point. However, I must admit, the review does drop the game from "buy" to "play first" for me.
I particularly like how the expansion promotes early Nobles, a much needed incentive. This mitigates the very good point you made about how upgrading your tavern isn't really something you do until the very latest rounds
6:34 The changing of the music from familiar Zelda to a rock version. I am a simple man, and I am easily entertained. Came for the board games, stayed for the silly humor. +10 The reaction of the normie patron is just hilarious to me I don't even know why. Keep doing what you guys do. You make the world a better place.
"So everything is going wrong. But don't worry; it's probably your fault." "And so just like when you have a mental breakdown at Ikea, it's likely you'll develop a fixation with tables." Just a couple examples of the way SU&SD uses humor to complement explaining a game's basics and examining what works and what doesn't. I wish more video content was this thoughtful, clear, and entertaining!
Its rare that I fully agree with SUSD, and this is another time. This is one of my top 5 favorite games of all time. For me, the theme is great, the game play is phenomenal, and I can keep playing it without it getting old. Get his game, its fucking amazing. (Yes, module 1 is kind of dull, but the modules are there to help you learn the full game.)
Personally, I love a bit of randomness in a game. My favourite tabletop games are the ones that have a solid bit of strategy but also some randomness thrown in. Makes you feel less like you lost because you suck and gives you that kind of “Hey, better luck next time!” spirit.
Great review, not sure if you like it or not, you definitely have mixed feelings, going with overall you like it since it is going into your collection, my wife and I absolutely love it. I taught it to her one module at a time, and it is not complicated at all, they were so easy to add in. We do not like complicated games. I understand your thoughts about the theme, but it so fun to run your own tavern even if it is a little off. Love your reviews! Thank you!
They summed up a lot of my thoughts about this game pretty dang well actually, however, in spite of it's flaws, I think I love this game quite a bit more than they do. The game is just a toasty warm mug of fun, with quite a lot of interesting strategy once you manage to get a game going with a table full of people who are down to play ALL of the modules. When that happens, it does in fact sing. And while it could be better and hopefully will one day be better when a really cool expansion drops, for now, it is just a fantastic addition to my collection and for at least this festive holiday season at least, this is the game that I seem to most want to play, which says a great deal. I don't know of any game out there that is perfect people. In spite of it's flaws, this is a great game!! I recommend making some colored cardboard bar backs so you can keep the bars assembled in the box between games. Really speeds up setup and tear down...
While I'm sad that Cool Ghosts is on hiatus while Matthew does more Board Games stuff, I'm glad the Matt's absurd humour is coming into SU&SD. it's the goddamn best
This is one of the best reviews of anything I've ever seen, ever. I got this game in the Zatu elite mystery box, and after a few playthroughs, I agree with every one of your points. Despite the often frustrating mechanics and somewhat clunky melding of theme and gameplay, I... quite like this game!
I don't quite agree with the conclusion (I enjoy both this and Quacks, but I like Die Tavernen quite a lot more) but an entertaining review as always. The simple change from a pool that resets on each turn to a deck that only reshuffles when you run out of cards means that you are far less likely to be hosed continuously, and you will always see the cards you just bought (except on the final round). I do agree though that Die Tavernen is at its best with all modules included. It feels like a complete game at that point, and the basic game feels like a neutered introductory version.
5:10 Drink from the sacred.... Beverage. Oh man I am losing my shit over here. If I was drinking beer, it would be all over my screen. Speaking of which, why shouldn't I go grab a cold one right now? I am an adult and that is my right as an adult. I'm not being subliminally affected am I?...
My only complaint so far with this game is that I wish they had some tracker or pieces to represent the number of gold and beers you have to spend on your turn. I would add up my gold, moving dice off those spots as I went (so I knew it was already counted), then do the same to add up my beers, and fully forget how many gold I’d just counted. This game already has a nice tactile element, so I think little gold coins or beer pieces would be a fitting addition. We resorted to using the unused or spent server dice as counters.
I have Taverns. My friends have Quacks. Quacks is a simpler game to wrap your head around,and I've played it a lot more, but I think I like Taverns more. I like it has more choices and more complexity. I prefer the diversity your choices bring. I like the fact they did t in ow if this was card drafting, dice drafting, or skill purchasing, so went for everything!
"...a pub that prioritises having loads of tables over caring about customers at all..." Oh, like Wethersp- "...or if you're based in the UK, Whetherspoons"
Great review. I should've watched this before buying the game. We just played this for the first time and in two rounds I got three of my "shitty" customers as my first three cards (having tons of other cards in my deck that I wasn't able to draw). That totally ruined the game for me. Off you go!
I played Taverns a Lot in the Past year or so and still like the game but it would need a small "patch" expansion tbh. Like you said in the review a lot of upgrading happens in the last round...that's sad. Also beer is the way to win big. Money has it's limits..after upgrading everything you can buy staff for 1 or 2 Points...I have seen someone getting 3+ Nobles in a turn with beer 3 times in a game. There was no chance competing with that. I know i know...he was lucky but still. A bigger focus on money isn't able to pull that off. I would like to see "Event Cards" that can be bought with money, that get cheaper and better if you have upgraded specific areas of the tavern and break the rules a little bit. Or group tables that let you combine a 3 and 4 guest fe. on one card.
Really think you missed the mark on Taverns. Taverns theme comes through wonderfully and is a fantastic game. The upgrades are hugely important early in the game. Taverns for me and others I've introduced it to has an addictive quality. It is a breath of fresh air and a unique Euro that sets it self apart from so many other bland Euros.
I agree. Also having many tables is not nearly as important as they make it out to be. As you only ever have four to maybe six dice and you need at least one or two to make beer, you can only serve two or three customers, the point in having more out is only to give you a choice. If you concentrate on getting well-paying patrons, you don't need all that choice.
Well this wouldn't be the first time SU;SD groupthinked themselves into thinking the game works in a very specific, rather unsatisfying way, while in reality they haven't even begun to explore the decision space properly. Still, this is an enjoyable review, and one should never base their decisions on single source anyways.
@@hattenkofer The point of getting a lot of tables is not so that you can have a lot of patrons. It's so that the patrons don't get in the way of all your other upgrades coming out, like servers and brewers. I don't believe that "all the tables" is the only strategy as some of the BGG crowd seems to, but it is definitely a very very strong one.
Thanks for the great opinions, i had been thinking i may want to get that game as it seemed like it has a lot of potential for kinda-fun, as it is a different theme from other games and it sounds like fun to have a game of running a tavern, but also i can get the sentimentality vibe from it just for the theme of an old cozy tavern,but i dont know now, it doesnt seem like much to it that would be interesting for long. Although, i didnt know about the extra variations until mentioned on here, so maybe those other additional activity add-ons would make it worth getting. I dont think any of my friends would like it though.
QUESTION: How much of the “bad turns” you experience, when you don’t GET what you want, or can’t DO what you want is 1) a game design issue, or 2) the player not strategizing enough/ knowing how to influence the outcome? I ask because (as you know) deck building is one of those interesting mechanics that can bite you in the butt if you don’t thin out your deck, OR counter balance it with increased luck mitigation. Anyone play Taverns and have thoughts on this? PS. I’m particularly concerned with the “it’s not worth it to upgrade your tavern until the very end” comment. I’m wondering if different players have an alternate experience within it.
I have a handful of plays in now and I heartily disagree with the notion that it is not worth it to upgrade your tavern until the very end. On just about every path you can take in this game, some of the upgrades will be very beneficial and absolutely worth the money to get them out as soon as possible in the game. Given that the game is only 8 rounds, it is not going to be possible to get every upgrade along the way, and because of the fact that you can trash some cards to make upgrades cheaper, it does turn out where everyone tends to do quite a bit of trashing in the final few rounds in order to upgrade their bar as much as possible to acquire more nobles. This is just good strategy. In my experience, this game unfolds rather quickly over the course of just 8 rounds. It can be a struggle in that time to get a functional engine in place and often it does feel like the game does climax in that final round when everyone does all they can to get as many cards out as possible, only to ditch said cards for money in those final few (mostly the final) round in order to complete upgrades. This is not a flaw imo. It's just the nature of the game. It is not that it would not have been worth it to do the upgrades sooner, it just is not always feasible. From what I have seen in my plays, much rides on that final round. You want to get there, get as many cards out as you can, and do as much as you can in that round to score as many points as you can, including ditching cards to get extra bucks. It's just good strat. As to your other question about bad turns.... it happens. The game gives you means of getting around the bad draw by re-drawing, which is sometimes good strategy, but can also turn out worse. It's a deck builder. You have to focus on getting your deck fluid and keeping it there, which means not acquiring too many guests and getting rid of the crappy ones. Tables also help and are necessary, but they are not as helpful as everyone seems to think in my experience.
I‘m a fan of Taverns, not so much of Quacks. I feel like with Quacks you can be super unlucky when you draw ingredients and there’s nothing to be done about it. With taverns, you often get the opportunity to discard your cards and re-draw and even with a bad draw, you can still do enough to feel in charge.
Well, I felt exactly the same about it. But, I think there could have been a comment about player counts, as, personally, I found it to be determinant in the enjoyment I had with the game. For me, a game with every modules included just take a little too long for my taste at 4 players. A problem that could have been avoided if there was no "customer market row", since that is the only part not simultaneous.
That ending might be the most honest review I've ever seen, the sentiment of "its not perfect, but it doesn't have to be a 10/10 for you to really enjoy it" . Its good to see that even years into boardgame reviewing, the SUSD team haven't reduced it all to numbers and "which game is best is all that matters". They still genuinely love the hobby, and thats awesome.
I love that you left those final 15 seconds in!
I can't believe it's not post-production color grading! (it was margarine all along)
I think Tom was a really good addition - he fits in with with the tones and style you're going for.
I should've known you'd be a boardgame fan, love your work
Couldn’t shake the feeling that he was going to throw the box into the fire.
Omg me too. Actual heart palpitations
Such a lovely yellow fire too.
Me too!
HAHA! Exactly what i thought he was going to do also as he turned and pulled the box up.
I mean, for these guys , its not out of the realm of possibility that might happen.
I thought it'd be a right at the end of the review turnaround. "I quite like it, bit if it got caught on fire..." As he tosses it in the fire,. "I still have Quacks of Queddlonburg!"
Nice to see the SUSD team growing without losing integrity!
"A pub that prioritizes having loads of tables over caring about customers, at all."
Man why you gotta do Applebee's like that.
And i say what about Taverns of Tiefenthal... She said, "I think I remember the game,
And as I recall, I think we both kinda liked it"
And I said, "Well, that's the one thing we've got"….... Tn n n n n n
you'll saaaay the randomness caused tension
plus you couldn't build an engine
and the theme just fell apart
Then you saaaay the expansions make it worth it
watching the dancers work it
and the old man catch on fire
One thing I don't kinda like is that song, and now it's stuck back in my head. What an evil thing to do with the holidays approaching.
If I only drank Heineken, I too would ask the question "what is beer?"
Heathen!
Heineken, like making love in a canoe.
It's fucking close to water.
@@jakebit9467 I laughed a bit hard, then coughed. And I will use this joke too now and spread it to the world. Thank you!
Was it also Heineken 0.0? It looked like it, but I couldn’t tell.
Full respect if it was, as I’m not a drinker. 👍🏽
Had the loveliest time at SPIEL this year playing Taverns. An older lady just sat down at the Schmidt Spiele booth and said "Do you want to try this game?". She explained the game in like five minutes and set it all up. We thought she was working at the booth but she just had a lot of fun playing it before and wanted to play it again. She won of course but we had so much fun and decided to buy the game right away. The vanilla version plays really quick but I'm really looking forward to trying out the different modules.
Something about the kind smile at the end quickly switching to Goblin trickery is almost better than the Worm
Wow. I would have likely avoided the game following this review, but I actually bought it months ago, sneaking in an international order here to the states, and I must say that I adore this game. The warmth you refer to many times is such an easy way of describing this games' greatest appeal. I'm glad I picked it up before I saw this because I think I'd be missing out on a wonderful board game.
I don't consider this a negative review. Pointing out some flaws, which might matter more to some people than others, doesn't mean the game goes into the fire. That was kind of the point. However, I must admit, the review does drop the game from "buy" to "play first" for me.
It's a awesome game. No doubt.
Been waiting for this review for a while now - picked up a copy of this for cheap a few weeks ago but haven't yet got around to playing it yet!
These last two reviews have been FIRE. Keep on keeping on.
I particularly like how the expansion promotes early Nobles, a much needed incentive. This mitigates the very good point you made about how upgrading your tavern isn't really something you do until the very latest rounds
6:34 The changing of the music from familiar Zelda to a rock version. I am a simple man, and I am easily entertained. Came for the board games, stayed for the silly humor. +10
The reaction of the normie patron is just hilarious to me I don't even know why. Keep doing what you guys do. You make the world a better place.
"So everything is going wrong. But don't worry; it's probably your fault." "And so just like when you have a mental breakdown at Ikea, it's likely you'll develop a fixation with tables." Just a couple examples of the way SU&SD uses humor to complement explaining a game's basics and examining what works and what doesn't. I wish more video content was this thoughtful, clear, and entertaining!
Still the smartest boardgame review videos in existence. Well done lads!
Its rare that I fully agree with SUSD, and this is another time. This is one of my top 5 favorite games of all time. For me, the theme is great, the game play is phenomenal, and I can keep playing it without it getting old. Get his game, its fucking amazing. (Yes, module 1 is kind of dull, but the modules are there to help you learn the full game.)
Personally, I love a bit of randomness in a game. My favourite tabletop games are the ones that have a solid bit of strategy but also some randomness thrown in. Makes you feel less like you lost because you suck and gives you that kind of “Hey, better luck next time!” spirit.
Great job Matt and Tom both. Really enjoyed the review!
Love the concept, what a great theme and look! I think I want this game.
1:45 this is why I love mr Shut Up and mr Sit Down
I could sense Matt winding up for the Wetherspoons joke, but I definitely still appreciated it.
Quinns: Hey uhm... how many videogame midis do you want to get mixed in?
Matt: *YES*
Matt and Tom are a killer duo!
Nah, they're too similar in their delivery style to make an effective presentation team.
I istened to the video and didn't realize it was Tom. His voice is really SUSD-standard.
Great review, not sure if you like it or not, you definitely have mixed feelings, going with overall you like it since it is going into your collection, my wife and I absolutely love it. I taught it to her one module at a time, and it is not complicated at all, they were so easy to add in. We do not like complicated games. I understand your thoughts about the theme, but it so fun to run your own tavern even if it is a little off. Love your reviews! Thank you!
"Everything may be going wrong, but don't worry, because it's probably you're fault." Oof, too close to home.
Tom, great debut video
Can the firebreather still be booked to come round my house on Christmas eve? PM for details, thanks.
Clearly haven’t ever worked in a pub. Bunch of rich guys sitting at 1 table spending millions with an otherwise empty house? That’s the dream....
One can only wish, but all you ever get is a bunch of people hogging table space while drinking a glass of water for 2 Hours and complain
You have a lovely day too! Made me smile.
Good use of music, good job Tom!
Was really, REALLY expecting that box to go into the fire at the end.
Nice use of the DMC 1 soundtrack there at 5:23
They summed up a lot of my thoughts about this game pretty dang well actually, however, in spite of it's flaws, I think I love this game quite a bit more than they do. The game is just a toasty warm mug of fun, with quite a lot of interesting strategy once you manage to get a game going with a table full of people who are down to play ALL of the modules. When that happens, it does in fact sing. And while it could be better and hopefully will one day be better when a really cool expansion drops, for now, it is just a fantastic addition to my collection and for at least this festive holiday season at least, this is the game that I seem to most want to play, which says a great deal. I don't know of any game out there that is perfect people. In spite of it's flaws, this is a great game!! I recommend making some colored cardboard bar backs so you can keep the bars assembled in the box between games. Really speeds up setup and tear down...
While I'm sad that Cool Ghosts is on hiatus while Matthew does more Board Games stuff, I'm glad the Matt's absurd humour is coming into SU&SD. it's the goddamn best
Is it just me or do we all want more reviews with Quinns' and Daniel Radcliffe's lovechild?
9:16 proof that Guile's Theme does indeed go with absolutely anything
Lol does everyone in SUSD have the same orange shirt? Joke aside, wonderful review
Ordinary reference shirt.
I don't drink that often but when I do I go to The Red Dragon Inn :P
Tom did very well. He fits in with the style!
I hear you, Koji Kondo. I hear your marketplace remix
This is one of the best reviews of anything I've ever seen, ever. I got this game in the Zatu elite mystery box, and after a few playthroughs, I agree with every one of your points. Despite the often frustrating mechanics and somewhat clunky melding of theme and gameplay, I... quite like this game!
I don't quite agree with the conclusion (I enjoy both this and Quacks, but I like Die Tavernen quite a lot more) but an entertaining review as always. The simple change from a pool that resets on each turn to a deck that only reshuffles when you run out of cards means that you are far less likely to be hosed continuously, and you will always see the cards you just bought (except on the final round). I do agree though that Die Tavernen is at its best with all modules included. It feels like a complete game at that point, and the basic game feels like a neutered introductory version.
5:10 Drink from the sacred....
Beverage.
Oh man I am losing my shit over here. If I was drinking beer, it would be all over my screen. Speaking of which, why shouldn't I go grab a cold one right now? I am an adult and that is my right as an adult. I'm not being subliminally affected am I?...
We love playing this game !! Simple rules and variety of mechanisms... What a nice discovery!! :D
My only complaint so far with this game is that I wish they had some tracker or pieces to represent the number of gold and beers you have to spend on your turn. I would add up my gold, moving dice off those spots as I went (so I knew it was already counted), then do the same to add up my beers, and fully forget how many gold I’d just counted. This game already has a nice tactile element, so I think little gold coins or beer pieces would be a fitting addition. We resorted to using the unused or spent server dice as counters.
OK, so now... many of us is waiting for Tapestry review... from You guys!
Don't Bother... Tapestry is a mess.
The pyramid scheme analogy is brilliant! As is the whole review.
"Wetherspoons."
I almost did a wee of humour. Superb.
I played it on TTS. I want this game so bad but the local publisher Devir is out of stock. The game was lots of fun.
11:39 is that Gendry Baratheon?
Matt breaking the illusion of the lovely yellow fire completely wrecked me
Good review! I like Tom and his orange shirt.
It's the kind of game to put on your Holiday gift list.
I have Taverns. My friends have Quacks. Quacks is a simpler game to wrap your head around,and I've played it a lot more, but I think I like Taverns more. I like it has more choices and more complexity. I prefer the diversity your choices bring.
I like the fact they did t in ow if this was card drafting, dice drafting, or skill purchasing, so went for everything!
I have both, fully modified and I can't decide which I love more... These two games and Jamaica are my top three equally.
Loved the music!
"...a pub that prioritises having loads of tables over caring about customers at all..."
Oh, like Wethersp-
"...or if you're based in the UK, Whetherspoons"
Totally believe the hooded drinky drink is how SUSD induct new presenters
I legit thought he’d just toss it in the fireplace when he looked back at it after the jester joke.
Great review. I should've watched this before buying the game. We just played this for the first time and in two rounds I got three of my "shitty" customers as my first three cards (having tons of other cards in my deck that I wasn't able to draw). That totally ruined the game for me. Off you go!
Matt listing the different names for cans of beer felt very much like Dougal from Father Ted!
The internet is right, Guile's Theme DOES fit with everything... (from 9:15)
I love the new people and did you give log a go?
Did you sneak in a Hundred of Horses card at 1:24? I love it!!
I'm hoping to pick up a copy of this at PAX Unplugged this weekend!
I played Taverns a Lot in the Past year or so and still like the game but it would need a small "patch" expansion tbh. Like you said in the review a lot of upgrading happens in the last round...that's sad. Also beer is the way to win big. Money has it's limits..after upgrading everything you can buy staff for 1 or 2 Points...I have seen someone getting 3+ Nobles in a turn with beer 3 times in a game. There was no chance competing with that. I know i know...he was lucky but still. A bigger focus on money isn't able to pull that off. I would like to see "Event Cards" that can be bought with money, that get cheaper and better if you have upgraded specific areas of the tavern and break the rules a little bit. Or group tables that let you combine a 3 and 4 guest fe. on one card.
It seems like Orleans to me -I'm not entirely sure it's a good game, but I love it.
Really think you missed the mark on Taverns. Taverns theme comes through wonderfully and is a fantastic game. The upgrades are hugely important early in the game. Taverns for me and others I've introduced it to has an addictive quality. It is a breath of fresh air and a unique Euro that sets it self apart from so many other bland Euros.
I agree. Also having many tables is not nearly as important as they make it out to be. As you only ever have four to maybe six dice and you need at least one or two to make beer, you can only serve two or three customers, the point in having more out is only to give you a choice. If you concentrate on getting well-paying patrons, you don't need all that choice.
Well this wouldn't be the first time SU;SD groupthinked themselves into thinking the game works in a very specific, rather unsatisfying way, while in reality they haven't even begun to explore the decision space properly. Still, this is an enjoyable review, and one should never base their decisions on single source anyways.
@@hattenkofer The point of getting a lot of tables is not so that you can have a lot of patrons. It's so that the patrons don't get in the way of all your other upgrades coming out, like servers and brewers. I don't believe that "all the tables" is the only strategy as some of the BGG crowd seems to, but it is definitely a very very strong one.
Chadwick Boseman is ' Jigsaw Maverick ' from the directors of Avengers Endgame out in 2020
I would stand in line for this movie
Keep Tom!
Thanks for the great opinions, i had been thinking i may want to get that game as it seemed like it has a lot of potential for kinda-fun, as it is a different theme from other games and it sounds like fun to have a game of running a tavern, but also i can get the sentimentality vibe from it just for the theme of an old cozy tavern,but i dont know now, it doesnt seem like much to it that would be interesting for long.
Although, i didnt know about the extra variations until mentioned on here, so maybe those other additional activity add-ons would make it worth getting.
I dont think any of my friends would like it though.
QUESTION: How much of the “bad turns” you experience, when you don’t GET what you want, or can’t DO what you want is 1) a game design issue, or 2) the player not strategizing enough/ knowing how to influence the outcome?
I ask because (as you know) deck building is one of those interesting mechanics that can bite you in the butt if you don’t thin out your deck, OR counter balance it with increased luck mitigation.
Anyone play Taverns and have thoughts on this?
PS. I’m particularly concerned with the “it’s not worth it to upgrade your tavern until the very end” comment. I’m wondering if different players have an alternate experience within it.
I have a handful of plays in now and I heartily disagree with the notion that it is not worth it to upgrade your tavern until the very end. On just about every path you can take in this game, some of the upgrades will be very beneficial and absolutely worth the money to get them out as soon as possible in the game. Given that the game is only 8 rounds, it is not going to be possible to get every upgrade along the way, and because of the fact that you can trash some cards to make upgrades cheaper, it does turn out where everyone tends to do quite a bit of trashing in the final few rounds in order to upgrade their bar as much as possible to acquire more nobles. This is just good strategy. In my experience, this game unfolds rather quickly over the course of just 8 rounds. It can be a struggle in that time to get a functional engine in place and often it does feel like the game does climax in that final round when everyone does all they can to get as many cards out as possible, only to ditch said cards for money in those final few (mostly the final) round in order to complete upgrades. This is not a flaw imo. It's just the nature of the game. It is not that it would not have been worth it to do the upgrades sooner, it just is not always feasible. From what I have seen in my plays, much rides on that final round. You want to get there, get as many cards out as you can, and do as much as you can in that round to score as many points as you can, including ditching cards to get extra bucks. It's just good strat.
As to your other question about bad turns.... it happens. The game gives you means of getting around the bad draw by re-drawing, which is sometimes good strategy, but can also turn out worse. It's a deck builder. You have to focus on getting your deck fluid and keeping it there, which means not acquiring too many guests and getting rid of the crappy ones. Tables also help and are necessary, but they are not as helpful as everyone seems to think in my experience.
Awesome insights. Thank you. 👍
All the mentions of beer, but all I want now is Ovaltine. My God, I'm getting old:(
Oh god I really want a beer now and it’s only Wednesday 😂
Me too, i have been putting off getting some for weeks, but now i wanted to leave immediately to go to a local brew pub. Lol
loved the little homage to Majora's Mask & clocktown. very sweet
Quinn looks different, did he get a haircut or something?
i was looking up new pokemon snap when that beer montage started haha
The 'h' in Tiefenthal is basically, kinda, silent.
Yeah, turn it into another "a" when pronouncing it.
love the theme 🎶 🍻 😃
Really like this game, especially with the modules.
I‘m a fan of Taverns, not so much of Quacks. I feel like with Quacks you can be super unlucky when you draw ingredients and there’s nothing to be done about it. With taverns, you often get the opportunity to discard your cards and re-draw and even with a bad draw, you can still do enough to feel in charge.
Guile theme truly does go with everything.
"It's a big shame that the theme doesn't quite land." - Didn't stop Viticulture from being considered a very popular board game, did it?
Well, I felt exactly the same about it. But, I think there could have been a comment about player counts, as, personally, I found it to be determinant in the enjoyment I had with the game. For me, a game with every modules included just take a little too long for my taste at 4 players. A problem that could have been avoided if there was no "customer market row", since that is the only part not simultaneous.
And then the OoT marketplace music started playing. I can hear the cucco clucking in my mind.
Nice cheeky Wicker Man reference.
Glad someone spotted that!
How many fortunes have been lost to the Monk Track? God only knows
Home you're in more Tom. Good review
4:18
0/10 you upgraded the good boy OUT OF THE TAVERN
Thanks for the review...I'll never be buying a Tavern Owner Simulator.
That was the Pokemon theme but I was definitely getting a Jennifer Beals in Flashdance vibe - I think it's the perm.
Gotta drink 'em all!
Great...now I really want a beer...
Was waiting for him to throw the box in the fire... Check out Cavern Tavern for a game that really feels like running a tavern.
I would love to see "Taverns of Tiefenthal" compared to the kickstarter "Seze the Bean" when it comes out next year.
Hi Matt, you’re awesome
Well, that's one less game on my desperate wants list I guess, onto the 'wait until it's in the sales' list it slides. Cheers guys!
We need the full version of the What is Beer Song.
I really like the game. It also jives with my family and we had a lot of fun so far.