@@MichaelJamesLorinReviews-wg8brare you insane? Sharapova was top 5 in the world and was the most famous female athlete along with Serena at the time of her suspension. She was making the WTA tons of money but the WTA still immediately suspended her after the failed test because those are the rules. The ATP is notorious for protecting their cash cows and brushing things under the rug if it might lose the tour money. It is a terrible look.
Every case is different. It makes no sense to make comparisons. Sinner's case is closed, end of story. Get on with your life. Life moves on. Happy hating
Listen to the video. Similar cases with lower ranked players got the same ruling. Every case is different. Different cases having different outcomes does not proof favoritsm.
Low rankled players simply do not have the financial means to hire extremely expensive lawyers to defend against the doping agency. It is the only reason why low ranked players either do not appeal or lose the appeal No conspiracy. The only conspiracy is that from the many haters from all over the world happy to ruin his reputation Happy hating.
Polish player at the beginning of 2023, Kamil Majchrzak (nr 50atp) was suspended for 13 months, although he proved and had evidence that the powdered supplements were factory-tainted by the manufacturer, but he has to start his career over again, they took away all his points and he reached a settlement, Although the results showed that these were also trace amounts and had no impact on the results. He entered into a settlement so as not to wait for the verdict. double standards. , he fought his way through the itf.. today he will play his first qualifiers at the us open he won the match.
Sorry for him. But can we agree what happened to him is unjust and how the Sinner case was treated was a much better way. So why dont we push things to get better, instead of saying "if someone was treated unfair, everyone should be treated unfair" ? I hope this Sinner case will be a precedent that will help similar guys in the future, instead all of you guys are like blindfolded and you think even if unjust, everyone should be banned cause it worked like that in the past
@@milosc__7310 LOL that's why I wrote about it, to show how Sinner was treated leniently and the matter was specially covered up. I don't mean sympathy for the Pole, there were hundreds of such cases, only Sinner was treated like a king.
I'm not a tennis fan per se, but I find this story appalling for Sinner. They said the amount of Clostebol found in his body was infinitesimal. Can such a low quantity really have an impact on performance? Most likely not. Yet, some people are talking about this case like it is similar to what happened in cycling or baseball for instance. Maybe, instead of suspending a player because he's been contaminated, the ITIA should implement quantitative metrics to determine what constitutes doping and what constitutes contamination. For someone like me who doesn't know much about Sinner and tennis in general, it seems like a nothing burger and I think it's sad Sinner is been dragged through the mud for something so minimal that was totally not his fault. What do you think?
People aren't upset about the finding, ok he's innocent.. They're upset because the ATP covered up for him for 5 months! Per the rules the ATP/ITF is supposed to make public any player found to have failed a drug test! And they're supposed to be provisionally suspended until the findings are final. Instead he was given special treatment. That's what people find unfair.
@@greyKuma536 It's literally the unit of measurement for the presence of steroids in the blood but putting it as "a billionth of a gram" makes it more insignificant than nanogram. People are ridiculously stuck on this overlooking the preferential treatment he got. People in charge should do and should have done better for other players who lost their careers being banned before they were cleared and they should be the focus of criticism, not Sinner.
One of my favorite tennis players, Guillermo Coria, was banned for 2 years over a multivitamin he was taking that contained trace amounts of nandrolone. They tested the multivitamin and found that he was correct, but still suspended him for seven months. I like Sinner, but its not hard to see the preferential treatment he is getting from the ATP given his status as one of the up-and-coming greats.
I think on hearing the explanation it's not quite what I thought it was. I'm going to need to read and re-read a LOT of things before I reach any personal conclusions though.
It's possible that there's special treatment but in my opinion all players should be getting this treatment if they have an immediate explanation as to how it accidentally happened combined with there being trace amounts of the banned substance.
@@tijgertjekonijnwordopgegeten Yeah the explanation and the minute amount thing is kind of important right. We have to be careful to find real and true comparatives.
The only information really needed Clostebol- improves strength and hard to trace Many players have used for illegal advantage If we had the test results as in how much was found from one week to the next it would be easy to tell if it was draining from his system or if same amount found in both situations It is important to note that it takes 30 days for that to exit the system Players can no show 2 tests per year before suspension so really hard to get caught Overall a bad look even if negligence New York crowd should be entertaining
Hey @Christian Court, do some research on Tara Moore, tennis player that was banned for 19 months and then effectively cleared. Do that and you'll see why people are calling this situation with Jannik Sinner preferential treatment. Hope you see this
@@ChristiansCourt thank you. I wrote this after the first few lines you said. I'm in the camp of they handled Sinner's situation more carefully than others and its the others, the lower ranked who have to scrap all 3 cents they own together that need vigorous and expedient resolutions to their case. The man who carries a Gucci tennis bag to court can afford to sit out 5 months for an investigation. A player ranked 100 in the world will be completely ruined by that same amount of down time. The ATP and ITIA really showed their hand here. Favoritism at its finest
@@JulianXavier-p7d Did you look into the bartolotti case? low ranked player same substance, very similar case and the penalty was exactly the same. How is this possible according to this high ranked vs low ranked conspiracy? You cannot just take different cases with different facts and then state that different outcomes must mean favoritism... That being said like any legal system in the world it helps having lawyers that can help you navigate the situation best, It helps being a big name so officials will feel the weight of their decisions more. But the reasoning behind his aquittal is sound and made by 3 separate experts who were not aware who they were judging. So why not be happy a player like Sinner is not getting banned for something he could do nothing about?
Golden boy gets a pass. What else is new??? Giacomo naldi (Sinner's physio) was already involved in similar incidents before with another sports team with same exact banned substance. So how we can now believe the excuse they gave that they didn't know. They clearly knew and had excuse ready in case..... he was with virtus Bologna similar case occurred in Italian basketball team during his time as a physio there.
Yes one free pass for top 5 players Physio prepared for worst case scenario Fortune favors the prepared, so let’s cheer for Sinner in New York. Let’s look at each case in a vacuum we can’t look at physic’s past especially if it makes Sinner look bad…
@@milosc__7310basketball player Riccardo moraschini suspended for one year after testing positive for clostebol metabolite. Former physio Giacomo naldi.........
Serena was probably the most tested tennis player male or female. They did everything humanly possible to try to implicate her but she came out clean. But we have Sinner who tested positive two times in a row and we are are here debating what it is. The man is a cheater. He probably didn't know that the technology has advanced far enough to detect even the minutest of traces. And nobody should say small amounts won't help because you cannot know. Tennis players of certain ethnicities are cheated and bullied on LIVE TV and then those who are known to have broken the law are defended on Live TV. I don't get it.
You clearly have no idea about what you’re talking about. Two times in a row and very close in time with both times extremely low level of clostebol found. If entered in the body any substance needs times to go away. Plus as you say they are always tested so he was tested before and they didn’t found anything this happens often in every sport and it always ends like this.
Sinner is a cheater. If the banned substance wasn't detected he would have kept the money as well as the trophy. Shut up your mouth. You have no clue what you are saying.
@@trommelbiel he never won indian wells…. And of course he’s responsible of his team and what they found on him even if he didn’t know (and even if the quantity of the substance found were absurdly low and almost irrelevant) that’s why it was the right thing to do but he also proved himself not guilty immediately and effectively, unlike other players that found themselves in a situation like that (ex. Jarry)
@@trommelbiel get the facts. See the video with Darren Cahill. For once the authorities got it right. Have they not got it right many times before. Probably. Let’s hope there’s more flexibility in the future so honest mistakes or slip ups from support staff will be recognised and the athlete not suffer as a result. Hopefully it won’t come down to whether an athlete can afford to challenge or not. Money shouldn’t come into it. It should be a case by case investigation. I’ll wager Simone Halop didn’t intentionally take drugs to enhance performance. Surely that’s the point. Was it intentional or not. If intentional throw the book at them. If not was the amount enough to enhance performance. Surely the science is good enough to make judgements that won’t unnecessarily immune athletes.
It wasnt his fault, but those banned substances were in his system during those period of time. He was competing dirty regardless. He is lucky!!! Wonder why they try to block this kind of info coming out to the press. Who else tested dirty before??
@@dinapapadimitriou1726 I was told that it is apparently his punishment for taking drugs. Double standards. Same as was with Serena and Sharapova at a time
All top players receive special treatment regardless of whether they want to admit it or not. If a player is a big headliner and money maker for the tour they're going to pretty much get a slap on wrist for anything they do. In Sinner's case, it sounds like something that has been blown way out of proportion. I'm usually skeptical of the whole "contaminated" argument that a lot of players who test positive for a banned substance usually use, but I believe Sinner's explanation. Unfortunately, we live in a world where critical thinking has become extinct. All people do nowadays is read and formulate uninformed opinions based off of clickbait headlines. So people are going to run with whatever narrative they want based off of whether they like Sinner as a player or not.
It doesn’t matter if Sinner is innocent or not. It’s automatic suspension for any trace of a banned substance in a player’s body. This is so fishy and seems to be intentionally brushed under the rug by the ATP. The double standard if ridiculous. Also that is not true about top players. The WTA always upholds the rules which is why Sharapova and Halep got screwed even though both were found innocent later. This is a terrible look for the ATP.
Not great at all…I always liked Sinner and follow him since when he won his first ITF/challenger title long ago, but of course he received special treatment…This is not about guilty or not, but how things work and who can heve privileges…Tennis money speaks volumes
Can’t be denied that he got “better” treatment but it looks like his camp was savvy in their timing as we’re down to the last major of the year with the bulk of headline-making tennis behind us…so he may have a rough ride through the US Open but memories will increasingly fade over time-this time next year all will be mostly forgotten or forgiven.
@@sohailhines I hope it’s never forgotten but people tend to move on quickly regardless…and Djokovic deserves continued hate for upsetting an entire tournament with his personal antics. He’ll never be a solid leader in tennis-classless and self-righteous.
Oh really!! So much fuss about very little. Let's ask the questions. Was it Sinner's fault? See the video with Darren Cahill. Did this obviously very small trace of the drug improve his performance? I'm sure the physio is very embarrassed. Maybe the Italian government should be fined for allowing this drug in the product. Was he given preferential treatment just because he could afford lawyers to fight his case? Every top level tennis player has advantages all round because they can afford a large team around them. Please ignore Nick Kyrgios. He's an embarrassment.
@@giovanniugas Name one coach of any other player that tested positive for a banned substance that had an interview on ESPN to defend their charge. That would be zero.
To some extent (it varies a lot!) tennis players are role models for the fans, arguably more so the younger ones. So when Kyrios and Shapo jump on the cynical train it gives tennis the look of a sport populated by cynics. I hate that. Back in the 1990s when I studied chemistry chemicals could give strong detection signals as low as 2-4 parts per million, and that was using 30 year-old tech. Skin is porous and can absorb chemicals easily thru water or fat (chemicals tend to prefer one of these solvents or the other) so thanks to my chemistry knowledge I'm okay with the Sinner explanation.
The point is not Sinner's explanation. The point is how it was handled. They handled this situation far far more delicately and expeditiously than they would any other player. They suspended him twice. first time was for less than 24 hours right after he won Miami. Then again right before he was to play Madrid but made sure to lift the suspension before the start of the tournament. Tara Moore got 19 months before she was cleared for no wrong doing. she had to start a gofundme to help pay for her expenses, Sinner did not miss a single match. NOT ONE!
@@JulianXavier-p7d I' m Sinner fan and i agree with you. Sinner is innocent 100% because what they found inside his body was nothing to make better performance but i have to admit he had special treatment for the rubbish rules of ATP. It is not fair all other players didn't have the same treatment but rules must be change because is ridiculous what happened to Halep but to Jannik as well. They take from him 400 points plus all the money he won in Indian Wells. Don't get me wrong : he is much more luck of other players but it is bad anyway for innocent person. Agassi admit after retired used doping and nothing happened to him . Corruption the end of story.
Lack of public disclosure of an investigation is not an indication of guilt. Just the accusation of doping can and has ruined careers. The initial investigation could have shown it wasn't even the correct athlete's sample or any number of things that would exonerate them immediately, but the damage would have been done if they announced the investigation publicly. Given what's at stake for the athletes, I think it's completely justified to keep the process private until a verdict has been reached.
1. There was less than a BILLIONTH OF A GRAM of the Clostebol found in both of his tests. 2. That amount would not have given him any performance enhancing effects.
He failed two drug test over the course of a week. There was enough of it in his system that it was there for days. Looks more like it wasn’t quite flushed out of his system yet. His explanation is a bit of a stretch and I love Sinner.
@@ediufhwefiueh6658yes but there is extensive testing at the Olympics and multiple Italian athletes have recently been caught with small amounts of steroids in their system.
If you are more popular, more important, more money making, people would treat you very differently compared to average joe's, that's how the world works.
Christian, From everything you said so far, it’s so clear that you don’t know enough about the topic or didn’t do enough research. Do you understand that Halep was suspended even when the investigations were still ongoing and no verdict had been made? You don’t have to insult Kyrgios and say he’s salty because he lost to Sinner. That’s such a low blow and unprofessional. Everyone is saying Sinner didn’t know. Is ignorance now an excuse? It’s double standards. There’s nothing else to it. Also, remember that he didn’t get any therapeutic use exemption for his so called dermatitis. You say someone isn’t guilty, yet you strip them off prize money and ranking points. If the substance was so small that it didn’t affect performance, why are they now stripping him of the earnings? And why did he accept it.?
But you also have to understand that the amount of the subastance that was found in her system was enough to ban her whether the investigation was completed or not and this wasn’t the only instance where there were inconsistencies with her drug test there were a few issues with her biological Passport years prior to 2022 that they may have taken into account to come to an inevitable decision to ban her.And you also have to understand that her appeal was denied whereas as sinners’s appeal was successful to clear him of a ban.
And the rule is whether the doping was intentional or not that you still have to pay a fine and be stripped of said ranking points because you did indeed still test positive of the substance.
Krygios should really keep his mouth shut, a lot of people might think he should do 2 years for assaulting women to which he pleaded guilty! People in Glass houses and all that
Look I like Jannik Sinner, period. Why he was allowed to keep this hidden for 3-4 months is the question. He or his team have made a BAD judgment call. The way this was handled is going hang to over him for the rest of time. It looks like he was given preferential treatment, which isn’t fair to the other players. It doesn’t matter how small the dose was, it’s the way it was handled.😢
I am 66 years old, I am italian living in the country half of my time. Thanks heaven we have wounds healing products containing clostebol as over the counter stuff in Italy. At my age a simple cut on a finger will take weeks to heal using simple atiseptics, while with those "enhanced" products, my wounds heal in a matter of days. I experienced the thing first hand when I fell down the last three steps of a stairs and ended up with abrasions and sores on my knees and shins. Using the clostebol enhanced spray I healed all the wounds within a week.
The seeds of doubt have been sown forever, unless Sinner himself explains the situation, apologizes and accepts the temporary suspension, otherwise the boos and “cheater” shouts will haunt him in the courts!!
Innocent or not there is a zero tolerance policy which means immediate suspension for any substance found in a players system regardless of how small the concentration. The fact that he had absolutely no suspension is such a double standard. ATP is notorious for brushing controversies with their money makers under the rug. The fact that Sinner was able to continue to play for 5 months before being found innocent is absolutely unacceptable.
Sinner physio was hired when he had previously been involved w something like this before w Italian basketball. You mean the drug wasn't fully flushed out his system, only a minute was left. Atp president is Italian.
Sinner’s case and its handling raises the following questions. 1. Is the testing lab capable of finding the presence of a particle which weighs one billionth of a gram in the human blood especially in a sample where it becomes sub nano? What is the fee paid for such a specialized service? 2. Was the provisional suspensions took place at the choice or otherwise at a time convenient to Sinner? 3. Automatic or immediate suspension is a must, to eliminate any irreversible damage caused to the sport and other players. This is not a case where a conclusion can be drawn on the evidence available on the face of the records submitted to the appellate authority. True (later) experts opined that the quantity could not have made any difference to his performance. But such an opinion from an independent source was not available at the time of revoking suspension. Witnesses have to be examined and cross examined. So was the appellate authority justified in revoking the suspension? 4, Did they test the physiotherapist? 5. One silver lining in Sinner's favor; The quantity of the banned substance present was such that it could not have caused any effect on his performance. In other words Sinner would not have consumed it intentionally. 6. Rules have to incorporate tolerance limits instead of zero limits. In our highly polluted world players should not live in constant fear of banned substances inadvertently entering their body in nano quantities. 7. The most significant evidence is that the physio could not remember whether he washed his hands before doing the massage even after applying the cream. It should be assumed that he washed his hands thoroughly before doing a massage. 8. All said and done Sinner (and victims of similar cases) should be banned but only for a tournament or two, if their innocence was proved. Lovers of tennis would like to have him play and watch memorable matches. 9. His coach says that it affected his mental, and physical abilities. However Sinner’s performance did not show such deterioration, while the case was under trial. . Possibly because of his innocence he was sure of acquittal. After the public announcement he might be upset because of adverse public comments. 10.In fact Sinner may be acquitted of dope. It is welcome. But he can not be absolved as the beneficiary of the partisan attitude of the judicial process. 11. Actions taken against Sinner were kept under wraps either violating the rules or violating the established practice. 12. Did Sinner skipped the Olympics to avoid disclosing these facts to IOA or its appointed authorities? 13. By its hasty revocation of suspension and the delay in deciding the appellate authority and ATP authorities have created circumstances wherein they were compelled to give a judgment that completely exonerated Sinner. Otherwise they will be squarely accountable for the losses suffered by not only those who lost to Sinner but also others who were indirectly affected (in seeding etc.) 14, Lovers of justice would demand the resignation of the authorities responsible for tarnishing the image of the institutions concerned.
It should be noted that Bortolotti faced a similar controversy at the tail end of 2023. Despite being a lower-ranked player, his case was resolved within three months, with no suspension. The player's case wasn't made public until a conclusion was reached, just like Sinner's.
@@m.a.g.3920 you just wanna hate your way into a fact free existence. First it’s Jannik got favorable treatment as number 1 then when it is an example of a guy ranked 376 it just a nation of corruption.
@@m.a.g.3920 do any of you know what google is?!!!! Stefano Battaglino from Italy banned: 25-year-old Battaglino provided an in-competition urine sample, which was found to contain metabolites of clostebol. Clostebol - an anabolic androgenic steroid - is prohibited at all times under Section S1 of the World Anti-Doping Agency Prohibited List. As a non-specified substance, an adverse analytical finding for clostebol carries a mandatory provisional suspension. As such, Battaglino has been provisionally suspended since February 2023. Battaglino, who has a career-high ATP singles ranking of 760, requested a hearing before an independent tribunal convened by Sport Resolutions. The hearing was held remotely in October 2023. The player argued that his violation was unintentional and that his sanction should be further reduced on grounds of no fault or negligence or no significant fault or negligence. The independent tribunal determined that Battaglino did not prove the source of the clostebol and therefore found that the anti-doping rule violations were intentional. As such, the player was not eligible for any reductions below the presumptive four-year sanction.
@@m.a.g.3920 do any of you know what google is?!!!! Stefano Battaglino from Italy banned: 25-year-old Battaglino provided an in-competition urine sample, which was found to contain metabolites of clostebol. Clostebol - an anabolic androgenic steroid - is prohibited at all times under Section S1 of the World Anti-Doping Agency Prohibited List. As a non-specified substance, an adverse analytical finding for clostebol carries a mandatory provisional suspension. As such, Battaglino has been provisionally suspended since February 2023. Battaglino, who has a career-high ATP singles ranking of 760, requested a hearing before an independent tribunal convened by Sport Resolutions. The hearing was held remotely in October 2023. The player argued that his violation was unintentional and that his sanction should be further reduced on grounds of no fault or negligence or no significant fault or negligence. The independent tribunal determined that Battaglino did not prove the source of the clostebol and therefore found that the anti-doping rule violations were intentional. As such, the player was not eligible for any reductions below the presumptive four-year sanction.
Does Sinner at all look like he's bulked up on testosterone? Unfortunately people don't understand nuance when it comes to these things. They want to find negativity and will be deaf to any valid data that refutes it. What Shapo and Kyrgios said says more about them than it says about Sinner. I don't think this story will follow him for his career in a negative way. I think it'll serve as a cautionary tale for tennis teams.
He will be considered a doper to many and the special treatment he received was a bit unfair. Steroids can enhance stamina and recovery it’s not all about building muscle
@@tijgertjekonijnwordopgegetenevery other player didn’t test positive. That’s the entire point. He was allowed to continue playing for months after testing positive and before his doping was ruled accidental. There is a zero tolerance policy which means if a trace of any banned substance is in a players system regardless of how small the amount it is an immediate suspension. Why on earth did he get different treatment? The ATP is protecting their money which is a horrible look for them and this is completely unacceptable.
@@AFCompanyhe was already tested negative by the time Miami open started. That is why he was only stripped of his indian well because he was only positive during that tournament.
Nooooooo! I hate that my suspicions were correct because I love him and his style of play. But his legs were just too spindly in my view. This year however he really strenghtened them and that made me wonder a bit about doping. I can't believe it. Twice for the same anabolic steroid and it's due to 'contamination'? No, sorry, Jannik. Geez. I'm so disappointed.
He only tested positive twice due to the fact that the 2 tests were within a span of 8 days meaning the substance would have been still in his system,and if he really was taking it intentionally the amount in his body would have been outrageous for him to be banned for doping but since it was an atom sized amount he was cleared because it was an honest mistake.
Notice how no doctors are being interviewed for this dilemma? They would not be able to explain away this issue with science because the story seems far fetched to begin with. Please have medical professionals explain if Sinner's story and the stories these tennis pundits are asking us to believe are plausible.
Great information. Sounds like a truly honest mistake all around. If you've ever seen a Sinner interview you know the dude is a professional. He's not going to throw away his hard work and talent for "doping." I think a fair decision all around.
"Sounds like" =\= fact. If he is a professional, this wouldn't happen either, right? And others getting penalsed far more and dragged for weeks months years while he was conveniently suspended in between tournaments?
I definitely think Sinner received special treatment. No question. But I don't believe for one minute that he is guilty. Just like in any life situation, if you have status and money, you are treated differently, and he is a man too, need I say more.... Carlos, Nadal, Novak, etc would have got the same treatment. I wonder would Ben Shelton, FAA or Serena who would have the resources for legal representation have received the same treatment with the same situation. Remember every time you turned around they were testing Serena. I hate to go there. But i am so glad she never tested positive, and i hope this does not tarnish Sinner's reputation. He has an awesome team and i think he will be just fine. Unfortunately when you are good there will be haters. He is a very nice young man and likable with a kid face....come on. If he went to court even if he was lying you would belive him lol. 😊 I wonder who broke the story and how it was kept secret. Somebody leaked it because his team must have paid someone to keep it quiet. I just hope it doesn't get ugly. Either way I am a Sinner fan all the way as long as he didn't cheat or kill anyone 😊
Sinner didn't receive any special treatment He simply has the money to pay for the very expensive lawyers needed to defend him against the doping agency:s allegations. Hope the fact he's got the money to afford that it's not a crime.
People always have their biases. Serena never tested positive, but most people are quick to attribute her success to drugs. Sharapova was treated like a criminal after testing positive for a drug which was legal until December 2015. People were very quick to call Simona Halep a doper until the truth came out. I am against people doping. It's unfair. But I believe it's necessary to exercise common sense and patience when a player is accused of doping. Things are not always as it seems.
If you make it as professional athlete the first thing you are told is this is a process. There's no such thing as ignorance. You are responsible for what goes into your body, what goes on your body and you're responsible for your team around you knowing the same thing. Sinner has been given preferential treatment. Even Chris Evert thinks that the tennis bodies protect top players by keeping things under wraps. Here's what she says: "I do think there's some protection here, (more) than if you were Joe Smith, ranked 400 in the world." Remember Agassi's case? We saw the same sort of protection there too. Shame on ATP for the corruption and double standards!!
Why wasn't Errani given same treatment when it was her mother's cancer treatment pills that fell into the food...and that was proven. Yet she got suspended. Call a spade a spade, it's unfair for her and special treatment for Sinner. There's no question about it. Sinner keeps all those titles and walks away unscathed is the scandal here. Yet he keeps the trainer on his team. Also, Haddad Mia had a similar issue where she was suspended for years over a contaminated supplement she was taking? This is really not fair at all when the ruling body never gave any Grace to any of the other players, mainly the journey players. 😢😮
Different strokes for different folks.Sinner is a star that brings in big dollars for sponsors and tournaments so his ranking must be protected at all costs
ATP is at it again...think Zverev and his domestic violence case. I can only imagine the ATP legal team were the legal team representing Sinner. That's the scandal here.
Christian, your's is an articulate voice of reason - very well put together. As you point out--every case is different. But, as we know, there are always some who rub their hands at controversy: "CONTROVERSY EQUALIZES FOOLS AND WISE MEN, AND THE FOOLS KNOW IT" - (Oliver Wendell Holmes - US philosopher) The 'sour grapes' of Kyrgios and Shapovalov show a lack of nuanced argument - everything in black&white. Sinner seems a really sincere and measured young man - he always conducts himself graciously; even when he loses--no histrionics! Yes, there are people in this world who ENJOY CONTROVERSY--they'd be better getting their own behaviour together
Bravo Christian! Very clear and true analysis! I am more than sure, knowing the entire career of Sinner since he was 16, that he would NEVER cheat to win or to succeed! It was verified that he was innocent. I am sure he will fire part of his team for this big mistake who could cost his entire career. I hope that he can really convince everyone that he is innocent, and that he did not get any benefit from this substance.
I think I wrote you before but I'm really proud of what you do and how you do it. We tend to agree on most things but that's truly beside the point. My point is that I went to school for journalism and law school -- if I had gone further in tennis and really play competitive college, etc. and was transported from 1983 to 2023 I would be doing exactly what you are doing. What I need to do now that I got my hip fixed is figure out how my FH became so horrible, fix it and return to match play at 60! I still have most of the foot speed I had at 50. th-cam.com/video/duD__IVosrU/w-d-xo.html
@@diodoruscronusIt is not necessarily a trivial amount. It could be a sign that he was doping but the substance had largely cleared by the point of the test.
Would love a deep dive on all the doping scandal and differential treatment, Sharapova Errani Halep Sinner and lower ranked players or older cases like Tara Moore
This case is really interesting… from having a coach that was previously involved with a player with biological passport anomalies that later tested positive (Halep), a physio that was involved in a case with a basketball team with doping and the use of a cream of a banned anabolic steroid that can be bought in Italy easily and that is known to have the highest cases per country of clostebol sanctions (even when it was developed by East Germany in their golden era of state sponsored doping). Really dodgy case, but really the president of the ITIA and ATP being Italian and all the money he brings on tour and all the sponsors the has (also he comes from a rich family) it’s no surprise this case was treated this way.
DuDe....Unless you know Sinner and his team personally, I suggest you refrain from making assumptions and frivolous talking as if you know he isn't guilty or not. Keep your biased opinions to yourself. You're just supposed to report and give facts.
well i must say that this is his channel and he can give his opinion if he wants to. Plus the same could apply for anyone saying that he is a cheater and that he should be banned. they dont know sinner or his team so maybe we should all shut up. I dont know thats my opinion hahhahhahaha
Why not just allow doping and let athletes choose if they want to dope or not and make it publicly known so people know which ones are doing it naturally or not? They will still be tested to confirm if they used PEDs but they can play but people will know they used so their wins will always have a question mark. This kind of issue regarding doping just makes people question if an athlete is doping or not or if they won because of PEDs. So allow the PEDS and allow them to take the prize money since this kind of incidents will always mar an athlete's career whether it was truly doping or just part of medication because of an illness like asthma, for example.
I really like Sinner and i really want to believe him. But i have to admit that the story is somewhat questionable. So the premise here is secondary contamination via a massage. So the guy giving the massage had a cut on his finger and treated it with a spray that contained an illegal substance. First of all, why does he proceed with the massage? If he has an open wound, it's unsafe in any circumstance, to have contact with a client. Especially one that might have skin damage, since he is a professional athlete. Second, who the hell treats a cut on the finger with anything? A bandage and 30 minutes would normally be enough. A wound that is not closed in 30 minutes, you should not touch a professional athlete. Then the spray is not really effective for open wounds. Also, why did he not wear gloves? Does Sinner want his masseur bleeding all over him? I really don't understand this, Sinner does not seem dishonest to me. But who knows what life is like at that level. I hope i can forget this happened, because right now, i am not sure and Sinner was the main attraction on the ATP for me. I do have to say, that many times the truth is less believable then a lie. The low concentration of the substance does tell us something. Top players are tested like 20-30 times a year, so it seems also implausible that he is flirting with that treshold the whole year. Tennis is not only about athletiscism. It's about skill and mental resilience mostly. So the risk he runs by using illigal substance in low concentration, with minor physical benefit, seems not worth the risk, but who knows
What are you doing with this crazy opinion video, brate? Part of his fan-club, right? Is he allowed to test positive at all, and WHAT is the prescription for said violation?😂 And please dont put it into the hands of the experts…they’ve proven that they suspend some players and protect others. And make no mistake, this was a protection racket: why didnt they announce that he was suspended (April) and for what reason, which they were required by their own rules; and why bring up the amount of illegal substance in his system AND DECLARE that didnt help him?😂 Now, Jannik can get on with his life as his team goes overboard explaining what happened and there’s no investigation going on live and questions for him to deal with, he is free and clear according to the dumbest story ever invented… and even if it is TRUE, is he ALLOWED to have any amount in his system?😂 everyone knows whats up!
The International Federation on behalf of the ATP, WTA and the Grand Slams tested, investigated, made decisions based on facts and their doping criteria and rules. They found no doping infraction for Sinner. Now a group known as WADA (Worldwide Anti Doping Agency} will review the decision. If they find fault with the decision they can appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sports based in Lausanne, Switzweland. Unfortunently, just as in our legal system, the less access to funding for some players to appeal decisions is not going to change. But oh yeah, the ignorant and uniformed totally helter skelter comments by millions will hang over entire careers of players. Can't wait to be told by people they have the right to say whatever they want to. Unfortunately ya'll do.
I don’t know. We will never know the truth but I do know that at the beginning of this tennis season I said to myself, “skinny Sinner put on some muscle.” And now this. 😮
Mark McGuire used topical cream, worked pretty well while breaking home run record in baseball Having said that I believe many of players are microdosing for recovery and never test positive so either way Sinner haters should leave him be, tennis does need him The top 5 always allowed to do a little bit of doping like Agassi so I think coach Cahill should have just said people need to get over it and cheer for Sinner bc he is box office- and also talent so should get one free pass
Sinner hired Naldi as his physio after Naldi was physio for a basketball team that had a player suspended for the EXACT SAME substance -- and dates of Naldi 's finger cut don't match dates that Simmer was tested. Not watching you again, knowing you either don't research enuf to know important info or simply don't care about the truth. I love Summer's tennis, but he's guilty enuf to be punished -- or rules should change to stop punishing others for far less offenses.
Interesting and timely video. I disagree with you on Sinner, though. He’s definitely the current golden boy and they protected him. But, I agree with you that all of these orgs. need to apply their rules and sanctions consistently (which I don’t believe they do at present).
Thanks for your honest opinion, and kudos for Sinner's recent big title! He must've nerves of steel! I would love to hear from more experts who could assess if Sinner's story is credible or not. It's true that these affairs have the power to hang around as a life long cloud. I am German, and l have a few very specific informations about the sad case of Germany's erstwhile shining star athlet and olympic gold medal winner Dieter Baumann - better known today as the infamous athlet who claimed that his toothpaste had been spiked deliberately with a testosterone substance! Crazy, right? This cannot possibly be true! Shame on him! Get him outta here! But wait a minute - a close look at the pesky details of the case and the very specific situation of Germany in the decade after the reunification of East- and West Germany, reveals a very different picture. When Dieter Baumann was tested positive, his stellar career was winding down, he didn't need to prove himself anymore as an athlet, and he had become a prominent spokesperson and activist against doping - and he had ruffled quite a few feathers of former East German athlets and their coaches, by pointing out that East Germany had a system of state-controlled doping in place, just like the former Soviet Union and today's Russia! Shortly after the reunification Germany had sort of inherited all these athlets from former East Germany and this boosted the German results noticeably for a few years! But there was a lot of distrust between the two groups of athlets. The athlets from East Germany resented the cloud of suspicion! And many very young East German athlets had actually been doped without their knowledge. One method of administrating the banned substances witbout their knowledge was - - - yes, spiking their toothpastes! It was also well known by insiders that Dieter Baumann had the habit of brushing his teeth before a competition. It would've been fairly easy for an insider to switch his toothpaste with a contaminated product. In those days these long and middle distance runners were together without any fear of foul play, and it was only a minor sport event anyway. The motive for doing something like this could've been the ruffled feathers of those whom Dieter Baumann had attacked. And how great would it be to expose the popular West German squeaky clean anti-doping posterboy as a bloody hypocrite! Eventually a contaminated toothpaste sample was produced by Baumann, after all sorts of everyday substances had been looked into. Baumann went into a closed lab for a few days, where he brushed his teeth with this product as usual, because he wanted to show that it was indeed possible to test positive just by using this spiked toothpaste. Well, it was demonstrated that it was indeed possible. And experts said that it was highly unlikely that Baumann and the people who worked with him, could have fabricated so quickly a spiked toothpaste sample which would produce exactly the same positive doping tests as those which had started the whole affair. Baumann also had body hair samples tested, and he could prove that he cannot have been a regular user of the testosterone substance. At this point the German anti-doping commission dropped the charges against Baumann because it was believed that Baumann had supplied a convincing explanation why he had tested positive, and that it wasn't his fault. The only thing which was missing, was the perp who had tried to ruin Baumann's reputation. Unfortunately the international organisations thought that the case was absolutely preposterous and they didn't accept the results of the German reports. Baumann got a 2-year suspension which more or less ended his career. But this was not the worst thing, since the end of his career as an active athlet had been near anyway. The worst thing was that his reputation was in tatters, and since in the following decade people started to forget the details of this case and the very specific situation of Germany after the reunification, Baumann has become the athlet with the worst excuse ever for being caught cheating. Most of those who know Baumann, are convinced that he is innocent. But the damage has been significant. He actually hired detectives in order to find out who had done this to him, but the case could never get resolved. I am fairly cynical as far as doping is concerned. I think it is wide spread and only a handful of athlets are actually caught, and as a tennis fan I think it's deplorable that there are too few controls in between competions - but that's precisely the time when athlets actually dope! But l also think that we should not condemn athlets who have tested positive without hearing their side of the story. It's a very unfortunate situation that athlets who tested positive are considered to be guilty until proven innocent. And even when they supply a more or less convincing explanation, they can never completely dispel the whiff of suspicion.
Dude I have been bitching about Vitas not being in HoF for YEARS... and then of course my blog disappeared from the face of the Earth. Just like that. But my other blogs on blogger that were nowhere near as strong still remained. We are all doomed in this Facebook bullshit world.
Coach said, it was a DEEP CUT, only 2 days after he remove the bandage, but, lets start with when Sinner saw bandage and ASK physio did he use any product(so careful), after removing the bandage, not ASKING the same question? Not even once during massage they didn't talk about cut hmmm. is your wound healing ok, did you aply something and physio knows he used a drug substence and somehow be quiet about it, story for kids
I can’t believe you’re defending Sinner. You do realise athletes dope, please don’t treat your listeners as though they’re stupid - unless you genuinely believe what’s been said, if so, then that’s perhaps the real concern. It’s probably better you don’t say anything, save you from looking silly.
Athletes do dope but Jannik was cleared by an extensive investigation process. Did you read the full report? Experts anonymously found that the trace amounts of clostebol found would not have affected his performance. You can criticize how this was handled and the double standards but Jannik was cleared by the process
@@Runa-iw4yd You are the only shame. Mind your own business. Sinner has been cleared of all allegations. If you don't agree then appeal against the doping agency and let us know how you are getting on with it. Don't try to judge what has already been judged by an official body. Happy hating.
This is understatement,The little amount of that substance could have not drastically worked miracles,He has been working hard,he hits along the lines,not a defending type of player,hitting those lines requires practice, determination and great sacrifice
I feel sorry for him but in an examination those who deliberately brought in cheating materials and those who didn't are judged the same way. I don't believe in making exceptions. If he tested for anything prohibited then he should face the full weight of the law regardless of quantity.
You are the real BS. Why not comment instead of attacking those who comment. Why do cheaters always mistakingly take a prohibited substance. Why is it they never mistakingly inject poison that would kill them? You must be a fool to attack me
Ohh.I don't see Yannick purpuesly doping .He is too humble and h9nest to do such a thing.And much too young.So,when he ACCIDENTALLY came in contact with prohibited substances than we should seek by his team.😢😢😢😢😢😢It is sooo sad that this happens ,so short for US OPEN 😢😢😢😢.I don't know how the public will react 😢😢😢😢😢OMG .I am a huge Rafa,Roger and Carlos fan but I really hope that Yannick will be ok.Playing under such circumstances ????😢😢😢😢😢Wish him all the strength and courage in the world 😮😢😢😢😢
His publicists created an image of him as a nicest guy on the planet and apparently they did a great job according to your comment. But you can’t know if he is humble and honest in reality. Meanwhile, this explanation story from his team sounds like a dog ate my homework and it’s shady to say the least. Not believable at all.
The ATP giving preferential treatment to one of their young stars? Naaah, that's unthinkable!
Maria Sharapova didn’t even get THAT kind of special treatment and she was literally the princess of the wta
I forgot about her. Agreed
She wasn’t making the WTA any money at that point in her career.
@@MichaelJamesLorinReviews-wg8brare you insane? Sharapova was top 5 in the world and was the most famous female athlete along with Serena at the time of her suspension. She was making the WTA tons of money but the WTA still immediately suspended her after the failed test because those are the rules.
The ATP is notorious for protecting their cash cows and brushing things under the rug if it might lose the tour money. It is a terrible look.
But she is Russian. Sinner not...
Every case is different. It makes no sense to make comparisons. Sinner's case is closed, end of story. Get on with your life. Life moves on.
Happy hating
Whether he doped or not he definitely received a special treatment. The lower ranked player who tested positive had her career completely ruined…
Yes and the lower ranked players should have been treated the same way as Sinner.
Listen to the video. Similar cases with lower ranked players got the same ruling. Every case is different. Different cases having different outcomes does not proof favoritsm.
@@alessandrovalente7645🤦🏾♂️
@@Solis225 he’s simply stating a fact.
Low rankled players simply do not have the financial means to hire extremely expensive lawyers to defend against the doping agency. It is the only reason why low ranked players either do not appeal or lose the appeal
No conspiracy.
The only conspiracy is that from the many haters from all over the world happy to ruin his reputation
Happy hating.
The bottom line is that this information was suppressed and Sinner was given preferential treatment.
Polish player at the beginning of 2023, Kamil Majchrzak (nr 50atp) was suspended for 13 months, although he proved and had evidence that the powdered supplements were factory-tainted by the manufacturer, but he has to start his career over again, they took away all his points and he reached a settlement, Although the results showed that these were also trace amounts and had no impact on the results. He entered into a settlement so as not to wait for the verdict. double standards. , he fought his way through the itf.. today he will play his first qualifiers at the us open he won the match.
Sorry for him. But can we agree what happened to him is unjust and how the Sinner case was treated was a much better way.
So why dont we push things to get better, instead of saying "if someone was treated unfair, everyone should be treated unfair" ?
I hope this Sinner case will be a precedent that will help similar guys in the future, instead all of you guys are like blindfolded and you think even if unjust, everyone should be banned cause it worked like that in the past
@@milosc__7310
LOL that's why I wrote about it, to show how Sinner was treated leniently and the matter was specially covered up. I don't mean sympathy for the Pole, there were hundreds of such cases, only Sinner was treated like a king.
I'm not a tennis fan per se, but I find this story appalling for Sinner. They said the amount of Clostebol found in his body was infinitesimal. Can such a low quantity really have an impact on performance? Most likely not. Yet, some people are talking about this case like it is similar to what happened in cycling or baseball for instance. Maybe, instead of suspending a player because he's been contaminated, the ITIA should implement quantitative metrics to determine what constitutes doping and what constitutes contamination. For someone like me who doesn't know much about Sinner and tennis in general, it seems like a nothing burger and I think it's sad Sinner is been dragged through the mud for something so minimal that was totally not his fault. What do you think?
1 gram divided by 1 billion. But the hater will attach to this. Idc. I personally am about facts and figures. Sinner seems innocent.
some people always talking ub some to have a sensation, they don't care about the person
People aren't upset about the finding, ok he's innocent.. They're upset because the ATP covered up for him for 5 months! Per the rules the ATP/ITF is supposed to make public any player found to have failed a drug test! And they're supposed to be provisionally suspended until the findings are final. Instead he was given special treatment. That's what people find unfair.
@@greyKuma536 It's literally the unit of measurement for the presence of steroids in the blood but putting it as "a billionth of a gram" makes it more insignificant than nanogram. People are ridiculously stuck on this overlooking the preferential treatment he got. People in charge should do and should have done better for other players who lost their careers being banned before they were cleared and they should be the focus of criticism, not Sinner.
It's not a big deal but for many reasons it appeals to the mob
One of my favorite tennis players, Guillermo Coria, was banned for 2 years over a multivitamin he was taking that contained trace amounts of nandrolone. They tested the multivitamin and found that he was correct, but still suspended him for seven months. I like Sinner, but its not hard to see the preferential treatment he is getting from the ATP given his status as one of the up-and-coming greats.
I think on hearing the explanation it's not quite what I thought it was. I'm going to need to read and re-read a LOT of things before I reach any personal conclusions though.
It's possible that there's special treatment but in my opinion all players should be getting this treatment if they have an immediate explanation as to how it accidentally happened combined with there being trace amounts of the banned substance.
@@tijgertjekonijnwordopgegeten Yeah the explanation and the minute amount thing is kind of important right. We have to be careful to find real and true comparatives.
The only information really needed
Clostebol- improves strength and hard to trace
Many players have used for illegal advantage
If we had the test results as in how much was found from one week to the next it would be easy to tell if it was draining from his system or if same amount found in both situations
It is important to note that it takes 30 days for that to exit the system
Players can no show 2 tests per year before suspension so really hard to get caught
Overall a bad look even if negligence
New York crowd should be entertaining
@@coachvctennis Thank you for this information.
Hey @Christian Court, do some research on Tara Moore, tennis player that was banned for 19 months and then effectively cleared. Do that and you'll see why people are calling this situation with Jannik Sinner preferential treatment. Hope you see this
i addressed this around 9:52! lol
@@ChristiansCourt thank you. I wrote this after the first few lines you said. I'm in the camp of they handled Sinner's situation more carefully than others and its the others, the lower ranked who have to scrap all 3 cents they own together that need vigorous and expedient resolutions to their case. The man who carries a Gucci tennis bag to court can afford to sit out 5 months for an investigation. A player ranked 100 in the world will be completely ruined by that same amount of down time. The ATP and ITIA really showed their hand here. Favoritism at its finest
@@JulianXavier-p7d If by favoritism you mean being able to defend yourself better than others, or having better lawyers, then it is favoritism
@@JulianXavier-p7d Did you look into the bartolotti case? low ranked player same substance, very similar case and the penalty was exactly the same. How is this possible according to this high ranked vs low ranked conspiracy? You cannot just take different cases with different facts and then state that different outcomes must mean favoritism... That being said like any legal system in the world it helps having lawyers that can help you navigate the situation best, It helps being a big name so officials will feel the weight of their decisions more. But the reasoning behind his aquittal is sound and made by 3 separate experts who were not aware who they were judging. So why not be happy a player like Sinner is not getting banned for something he could do nothing about?
So, in your opinion, since the ATP has made mistakes in the past with Tara Moore, they should continue to make mistakes, right?"
Golden boy gets a pass. What else is new??? Giacomo naldi (Sinner's physio) was already involved in similar incidents before with another sports team with same exact banned substance. So how we can now believe the excuse they gave that they didn't know. They clearly knew and had excuse ready in case..... he was with virtus Bologna similar case occurred in Italian basketball team during his time as a physio there.
Yes one free pass for top 5 players
Physio prepared for worst case scenario
Fortune favors the prepared, so let’s cheer for Sinner in New York. Let’s look at each case in a vacuum we can’t look at physic’s past especially if it makes Sinner look bad…
Can you please link me the article where they talk about Naldi and Virtus Bologna case ?
@@milosc__7310Google riccardo moraschini suspended for one year after testing positive for clostebol metabolite. Former Physio Giacomo naldi
@@milosc__7310basketball player Riccardo moraschini suspended for one year after testing positive for clostebol metabolite. Former physio Giacomo naldi.........
Crazy, I didn't know about Naldi past, all this stinks: corruption, drugs,... Money
How is this different from Simona Halep case or Victor Troicki - their careers cancelled without any flexibility.
Sinner himself didn't take the banned substance, his physio did.
6:25 He gives a full explanation why the cases of Sinner and Halep are different... At least watch the video before commenting
That is all if you believe his story. What I am sayingis that other people had similar stories and it took years for them to be even considered.
@@simonemazza3950 axaxaxaxaxaxaxaxax
Serena was probably the most tested tennis player male or female. They did everything humanly possible to try to implicate her but she came out clean. But we have Sinner who tested positive two times in a row and we are are here debating what it is. The man is a cheater. He probably didn't know that the technology has advanced far enough to detect even the minutest of traces. And nobody should say small amounts won't help because you cannot know. Tennis players of certain ethnicities are cheated and bullied on LIVE TV and then those who are known to have broken the law are defended on Live TV. I don't get it.
You clearly have no idea about what you’re talking about. Two times in a row and very close in time with both times extremely low level of clostebol found. If entered in the body any substance needs times to go away. Plus as you say they are always tested so he was tested before and they didn’t found anything this happens often in every sport and it always ends like this.
Sinner is a cheater. If the banned substance wasn't detected he would have kept the money as well as the trophy. Shut up your mouth. You have no clue what you are saying.
@@trommelbiel he never won indian wells…. And of course he’s responsible of his team and what they found on him even if he didn’t know (and even if the quantity of the substance found were absurdly low and almost irrelevant) that’s why it was the right thing to do but he also proved himself not guilty immediately and effectively, unlike other players that found themselves in a situation like that (ex. Jarry)
@@eddy_6502low levels of something with a very short half-life Life that converts to testosterone.....
@@trommelbiel get the facts. See the video with Darren Cahill. For once the authorities got it right. Have they not got it right many times before. Probably. Let’s hope there’s more flexibility in the future so honest mistakes or slip ups from support staff will be recognised and the athlete not suffer as a result. Hopefully it won’t come down to whether an athlete can afford to challenge or not. Money shouldn’t come into it. It should be a case by case investigation. I’ll wager Simone Halop didn’t intentionally take drugs to enhance performance. Surely that’s the point. Was it intentional or not. If intentional throw the book at them. If not was the amount enough to enhance performance. Surely the science is good enough to make judgements that won’t unnecessarily immune athletes.
I’m sure the Italian ATP director will not treat the same way if the tennis player is Chinese or Russia
if he is cleared why are his points and money taken away
It wasnt his fault, but those banned substances were in his system during those period of time. He was competing dirty regardless.
He is lucky!!!
Wonder why they try to block this kind of info coming out to the press.
Who else tested dirty before??
Good point!
Anybody have an answer for the money and points taken away?
@@dinapapadimitriou1726 I was told that it is apparently his punishment for taking drugs. Double standards. Same as was with Serena and Sharapova at a time
There must be consequence even for negligence otherwise you would be rewarding negligence
@alekssmiljanbjt he didn t take any drugs wtf hahah . So that was unfair .ov7448
Chile I wonder how many athletes have tested positive over the years and it wasn't disclosed
All top players receive special treatment regardless of whether they want to admit it or not. If a player is a big headliner and money maker for the tour they're going to pretty much get a slap on wrist for anything they do.
In Sinner's case, it sounds like something that has been blown way out of proportion. I'm usually skeptical of the whole "contaminated" argument that a lot of players who test positive for a banned substance usually use, but I believe Sinner's explanation.
Unfortunately, we live in a world where critical thinking has become extinct. All people do nowadays is read and formulate uninformed opinions based off of clickbait headlines. So people are going to run with whatever narrative they want based off of whether they like Sinner as a player or not.
It doesn’t matter if Sinner is innocent or not. It’s automatic suspension for any trace of a banned substance in a player’s body. This is so fishy and seems to be intentionally brushed under the rug by the ATP. The double standard if ridiculous.
Also that is not true about top players. The WTA always upholds the rules which is why Sharapova and Halep got screwed even though both were found innocent later. This is a terrible look for the ATP.
Critical thinking indicates he is doping, if you read and you know how the world works only super naïve people and fanatics can think otherwise
Not one, but 2 positive tests conducted 1 week apart.
The physio treated him twice the same way at 2 different times?
Ridiculous!
Bruh, substances dont go away from the body in one hour, it takes time.
If you dont know what you talking about you can just shut up nah ?
Average American IQ
Not great at all…I always liked Sinner and follow him since when he won his first ITF/challenger title long ago, but of course he received special treatment…This is not about guilty or not, but how things work and who can heve privileges…Tennis money speaks volumes
As a Sinner fan , I'm so disappointed by this blight on his reputation.😢
Can’t be denied that he got “better” treatment but it looks like his camp was savvy in their timing as we’re down to the last major of the year with the bulk of headline-making tennis behind us…so he may have a rough ride through the US Open but memories will increasingly fade over time-this time next year all will be mostly forgotten or forgiven.
good take!
"this time next year all will be mostly forgotten or forgiven" - I doubt that. People are still hating on Djokovic for his AO/anti-vaxing incident.
@@sohailhines I hope it’s never forgotten but people tend to move on quickly regardless…and Djokovic deserves continued hate for upsetting an entire tournament with his personal antics. He’ll never be a solid leader in tennis-classless and self-righteous.
Oh really!! So much fuss about very little. Let's ask the questions. Was it Sinner's fault? See the video with Darren Cahill. Did this obviously very small trace of the drug improve his performance? I'm sure the physio is very embarrassed. Maybe the Italian government should be fined for allowing this drug in the product. Was he given preferential treatment just because he could afford lawyers to fight his case? Every top level tennis player has advantages all round because they can afford a large team around them. Please ignore Nick Kyrgios. He's an embarrassment.
Totally agree. Very well put
the most honest and objective video I've found on TH-cam on the topic
The double standards here are astounding. His couch was able to do a 15-minute interview on ESPN. The special treatment is not stopping.
my fav part of the interview is whenn the coach says sinners fitness coach is also a pharmachist 😆
Why should an interview on ESPN be considered special treatment? I would like to understand the logic behind your reasoning
@@giovanniugas Name one coach of any other player that tested positive for a banned substance that had an interview on ESPN to defend their charge. That would be zero.
@@frankwright1571Even Jeffrey Dahmer was granted the right to defend himself. That's how it's done in a democracy
@@frankwright1571 this is just dumb! people have the right to defend themselves
Great analysis! It's nice to hear a well articulated and unbiased take on what most likely happened with Jannik Sinner.
To some extent (it varies a lot!) tennis players are role models for the fans, arguably more so the younger ones. So when Kyrios and Shapo jump on the cynical train it gives tennis the look of a sport populated by cynics. I hate that. Back in the 1990s when I studied chemistry chemicals could give strong detection signals as low as 2-4 parts per million, and that was using 30 year-old tech. Skin is porous and can absorb chemicals easily thru water or fat (chemicals tend to prefer one of these solvents or the other) so thanks to my chemistry knowledge I'm okay with the Sinner explanation.
Merci, for your professional input .
An informed choice is always necessary and welcome in crisis of this kind.
The point is not Sinner's explanation. The point is how it was handled. They handled this situation far far more delicately and expeditiously than they would any other player. They suspended him twice. first time was for less than 24 hours right after he won Miami. Then again right before he was to play Madrid but made sure to lift the suspension before the start of the tournament. Tara Moore got 19 months before she was cleared for no wrong doing. she had to start a gofundme to help pay for her expenses, Sinner did not miss a single match. NOT ONE!
@@JulianXavier-p7d I' m Sinner fan and i agree with you. Sinner is innocent 100% because what they found inside his body was nothing to make better performance but i have to admit he had special treatment for the rubbish rules of ATP. It is not fair all other players didn't have the same treatment but rules must be change because is ridiculous what happened to Halep but to Jannik as well. They take from him 400 points plus all the money he won in Indian Wells. Don't get me wrong : he is much more luck of other players but it is bad anyway for innocent person. Agassi admit after retired used doping and nothing happened to him . Corruption the end of story.
@user-ug1ky7dp6r Someone received HUSH MONEY??? WHO???
Just brainstorming.
@@JulianXavier-p7d maybe its not favoritism but simply he can afford the best legal team to protect him
Lack of public disclosure of an investigation is not an indication of guilt. Just the accusation of doping can and has ruined careers. The initial investigation could have shown it wasn't even the correct athlete's sample or any number of things that would exonerate them immediately, but the damage would have been done if they announced the investigation publicly. Given what's at stake for the athletes, I think it's completely justified to keep the process private until a verdict has been reached.
1. There was less than a BILLIONTH OF A GRAM of the Clostebol found in both of his tests.
2. That amount would not have given him any performance enhancing effects.
That was a urine sample. Which means there was a lot more of those stuff in his body.
No but the fact it was in his system one can't eradicate that information
@@timothylee2772no it doesn’t
Because most of it was flushed out. They have techniques.
He failed two drug test over the course of a week. There was enough of it in his system that it was there for days. Looks more like it wasn’t quite flushed out of his system yet. His explanation is a bit of a stretch and I love Sinner.
No justice in this world
Sinner's explanation sounds shady af. Probably the real reason he skipped the Olympics.
He didn’t test positive post Miami tho
@@ediufhwefiueh6658yes but there is extensive testing at the Olympics and multiple Italian athletes have recently been caught with small amounts of steroids in their system.
You look more shady than Sinner trust me.
Happy hating.
He literally had tonsillitis. Read the news and stop hating for no reason
You definitely sound more shady than your hate against Sinner.
The Italian privelige is crazy. If it was a russian, chinese or black african lower ranked it would be a different story 🥲🥲🥲🥲
If you are more popular, more important, more money making, people would treat you very differently compared to average joe's, that's how the world works.
I believe the experts did the right investigation.
When Sinner won his match against Gregor after he 🤮 in the bin I said he was doping .
This news is no surprise .
Christian, From everything you said so far, it’s so clear that you don’t know enough about the topic or didn’t do enough research.
Do you understand that Halep was suspended even when the investigations were still ongoing and no verdict had been made? You don’t have to insult Kyrgios and say he’s salty because he lost to Sinner. That’s such a low blow and unprofessional.
Everyone is saying Sinner didn’t know. Is ignorance now an excuse? It’s double standards. There’s nothing else to it. Also, remember that he didn’t get any therapeutic use exemption for his so called dermatitis.
You say someone isn’t guilty, yet you strip them off prize money and ranking points. If the substance was so small that it didn’t affect performance, why are they now stripping him of the earnings? And why did he accept it.?
But you also have to understand that the amount of the subastance that was found in her system was enough to ban her whether the investigation was completed or not and this wasn’t the only instance where there were inconsistencies with her drug test there were a few issues with her biological
Passport years prior to 2022 that they may have taken into account to come to an inevitable decision to ban her.And you also have to understand that her appeal was denied whereas as sinners’s appeal was successful to clear him of a ban.
And the rule is whether the doping was intentional or not that you still have to pay a fine and be stripped of said ranking points because you did indeed still test positive of the substance.
Krygios should really keep his mouth shut, a lot of people might think he should do 2 years for assaulting women to which he pleaded guilty! People in Glass houses and all that
preach!!
Look I like Jannik Sinner, period. Why he was allowed to keep this hidden for 3-4 months is the question. He or his team have made a BAD judgment call. The way this was handled is going hang to over him for the rest of time. It looks like he was given preferential treatment, which isn’t fair to the other players. It doesn’t matter how small the dose was, it’s the way it was handled.😢
If he did win US open that would be very controversial for tennis
The cover up is the worst
I am 66 years old, I am italian living in the country half of my time. Thanks heaven we have wounds healing products containing clostebol as over the counter stuff in Italy. At my age a simple cut on a finger will take weeks to heal using simple atiseptics, while with those "enhanced" products, my wounds heal in a matter of days. I experienced the thing first hand when I fell down the last three steps of a stairs and ended up with abrasions and sores on my knees and shins. Using the clostebol enhanced spray I healed all the wounds within a week.
Bullshit, there's products like drago Blood or copaiba oil that work perfectly ok without being synthetic testosterone...
I call B.S. Sinner is full of it.
Another wildly inconsistent application of the rules in tennis, depending on what your name and ranking is.
The seeds of doubt have been sown forever, unless Sinner himself explains the situation, apologizes and accepts the temporary suspension, otherwise the boos and “cheater” shouts will haunt him in the courts!!
Innocent or not there is a zero tolerance policy which means immediate suspension for any substance found in a players system regardless of how small the concentration. The fact that he had absolutely no suspension is such a double standard. ATP is notorious for brushing controversies with their money makers under the rug.
The fact that Sinner was able to continue to play for 5 months before being found innocent is absolutely unacceptable.
Sinner physio was hired when he had previously been involved w something like this before w Italian basketball.
You mean the drug wasn't fully flushed out his system, only a minute was left.
Atp president is Italian.
The speed how appeal was resolved is unheard. Yeah, special treatment.
This is the best and most informative video on this subject I’ve seen so far, well done.
I dont think he intentionally doped but HE DEFINITELY was given special treatment. After the Open is over we won’t even remember this “scandal”. 😂
Sinner’s case and its handling raises the following questions.
1. Is the testing lab capable of finding the presence of a particle which weighs one billionth of a gram in the human blood especially in a sample where it becomes sub nano? What is the fee paid for such a specialized service?
2. Was the provisional suspensions took place at the choice or otherwise at a time convenient to Sinner?
3. Automatic or immediate suspension is a must, to eliminate any irreversible damage caused to the sport and other players. This is not a case where a conclusion can be drawn on the evidence available on the face of the records submitted to the appellate authority. True (later) experts opined that the quantity could not have made any difference to his performance. But such an opinion from an independent source was not available at the time of revoking suspension. Witnesses have to be examined and cross examined. So was the appellate authority justified in revoking the suspension?
4, Did they test the physiotherapist?
5. One silver lining in Sinner's favor; The quantity of the banned substance present was such that it could not have caused any effect on his performance. In other words Sinner would not have consumed it intentionally.
6. Rules have to incorporate tolerance limits instead of zero limits. In our highly polluted world players should not live in constant fear of banned substances inadvertently entering their body in nano quantities.
7. The most significant evidence is that the physio could not remember whether he washed his hands before doing the massage even after applying the cream. It should be assumed that he washed his hands thoroughly before doing a massage.
8. All said and done Sinner (and victims of similar cases) should be banned but only for a tournament or two, if their innocence was proved. Lovers of tennis would like to have him play and watch memorable matches.
9. His coach says that it affected his mental, and physical abilities. However Sinner’s performance did not show such deterioration, while the case was under trial. . Possibly because of his innocence he was sure of acquittal. After the public announcement he might be upset because of adverse public comments.
10.In fact Sinner may be acquitted of dope. It is welcome. But he can not be absolved as the beneficiary of the partisan attitude of the judicial process.
11. Actions taken against Sinner were kept under wraps either violating the rules or violating the established practice.
12. Did Sinner skipped the Olympics to avoid disclosing these facts to IOA or its appointed authorities?
13. By its hasty revocation of suspension and the delay in deciding the appellate authority and ATP authorities have created circumstances wherein they were compelled to give a judgment that completely exonerated Sinner. Otherwise they will be squarely accountable for the losses suffered by not only those who lost to Sinner but also others who were indirectly affected (in seeding etc.)
14, Lovers of justice would demand the resignation of the authorities responsible for tarnishing the image of the institutions concerned.
It should be noted that Bortolotti faced a similar controversy at the tail end of 2023. Despite being a lower-ranked player, his case was resolved within three months, with no suspension. The player's case wasn't made public until a conclusion was reached, just like Sinner's.
So both cases of italian corruption
@@m.a.g.3920 you just wanna hate your way into a fact free existence. First it’s Jannik got favorable treatment as number 1 then when it is an example of a guy ranked 376 it just a nation of corruption.
@@m.a.g.3920 I think the details are beyond your pay grade. Maybe there is a picture book of this all somewhere.
@@m.a.g.3920 do any of you know what google is?!!!! Stefano Battaglino from Italy banned: 25-year-old Battaglino provided an in-competition urine sample, which was found to contain metabolites of clostebol. Clostebol - an anabolic androgenic steroid - is prohibited at all times under Section S1 of the World Anti-Doping Agency Prohibited List. As a non-specified substance, an adverse analytical finding for clostebol carries a mandatory provisional suspension. As such, Battaglino has been provisionally suspended since February 2023.
Battaglino, who has a career-high ATP singles ranking of 760, requested a hearing before an independent tribunal convened by Sport Resolutions. The hearing was held remotely in October 2023. The player argued that his violation was unintentional and that his sanction should be further reduced on grounds of no fault or negligence or no significant fault or negligence.
The independent tribunal determined that Battaglino did not prove the source of the clostebol and therefore found that the anti-doping rule violations were intentional. As such, the player was not eligible for any reductions below the presumptive four-year sanction.
@@m.a.g.3920 do any of you know what google is?!!!! Stefano Battaglino from Italy banned: 25-year-old Battaglino provided an in-competition urine sample, which was found to contain metabolites of clostebol. Clostebol - an anabolic androgenic steroid - is prohibited at all times under Section S1 of the World Anti-Doping Agency Prohibited List. As a non-specified substance, an adverse analytical finding for clostebol carries a mandatory provisional suspension. As such, Battaglino has been provisionally suspended since February 2023.
Battaglino, who has a career-high ATP singles ranking of 760, requested a hearing before an independent tribunal convened by Sport Resolutions. The hearing was held remotely in October 2023. The player argued that his violation was unintentional and that his sanction should be further reduced on grounds of no fault or negligence or no significant fault or negligence.
The independent tribunal determined that Battaglino did not prove the source of the clostebol and therefore found that the anti-doping rule violations were intentional. As such, the player was not eligible for any reductions below the presumptive four-year sanction.
Does Sinner at all look like he's bulked up on testosterone? Unfortunately people don't understand nuance when it comes to these things. They want to find negativity and will be deaf to any valid data that refutes it. What Shapo and Kyrgios said says more about them than it says about Sinner.
I don't think this story will follow him for his career in a negative way. I think it'll serve as a cautionary tale for tennis teams.
Well he has, he’s admitted to putting on a bit more muscle compared to a few years ago. He’s never gonna look like a bodybuilder
This is exactly why people need to really know the facts before opting to comment.
Yes it will
Don't be naive at best and a fool at worst. His privilege caught up with him.
He will be considered a doper to many and the special treatment he received was a bit unfair. Steroids can enhance stamina and recovery it’s not all about building muscle
The problem is that they covered it up, but what if it turned out that he was actually taking drugs? Did he play for those 4 months?
Yes that would be a problem, but you could say the exact same thing about every other player.
@@tijgertjekonijnwordopgegetenevery other player didn’t test positive. That’s the entire point. He was allowed to continue playing for months after testing positive and before his doping was ruled accidental. There is a zero tolerance policy which means if a trace of any banned substance is in a players system regardless of how small the amount it is an immediate suspension.
Why on earth did he get different treatment? The ATP is protecting their money which is a horrible look for them and this is completely unacceptable.
None of your business. Case dropped case closed.
Happy hating.
@@AFCompanyhe was already tested negative by the time Miami open started. That is why he was only stripped of his indian well because he was only positive during that tournament.
@@AFCompanyThe only problem.is you talking nonsense. Sinner's case is closed.Get a life.
Happy hating.
Nooooooo! I hate that my suspicions were correct because I love him and his style of play. But his legs were just too spindly in my view. This year however he really strenghtened them and that made me wonder a bit about doping. I can't believe it. Twice for the same anabolic steroid and it's due to 'contamination'? No, sorry, Jannik. Geez. I'm so disappointed.
He only tested positive twice due to the fact that the 2 tests were within a span of 8 days meaning the substance would have been still in his system,and if he really was taking it intentionally the amount in his body would have been outrageous for him to be banned for doping but since it was an atom sized amount he was cleared because it was an honest mistake.
He worked in the gym. He is also older now and had filled out a bit. He still is pretty slim. No conspiracy needed
Notice how no doctors are being interviewed for this dilemma? They would not be able to explain away this issue with science because the story seems far fetched to begin with. Please have medical professionals explain if Sinner's story and the stories these tennis pundits are asking us to believe are plausible.
Great information. Sounds like a truly honest mistake all around. If you've ever seen a Sinner interview you know the dude is a professional. He's not going to throw away his hard work and talent for "doping." I think a fair decision all around.
A mistake for sinner but a ban for halep thats the unfortunate part
"Sounds like" =\= fact. If he is a professional, this wouldn't happen either, right? And others getting penalsed far more and dragged for weeks months years while he was conveniently suspended in between tournaments?
I definitely think Sinner received special treatment. No question. But I don't believe for one minute that he is guilty. Just like in any life situation, if you have status and money, you are treated differently, and he is a man too, need I say more.... Carlos, Nadal, Novak, etc would have got the same treatment. I wonder would Ben Shelton, FAA or Serena who would have the resources for legal representation have received the same treatment with the same situation. Remember every time you turned around they were testing Serena. I hate to go there. But i am so glad she never tested positive, and i hope this does not tarnish Sinner's reputation. He has an awesome team and i think he will be just fine. Unfortunately when you are good there will be haters. He is a very nice young man and likable with a kid face....come on. If he went to court even if he was lying you would belive him lol. 😊 I wonder who broke the story and how it was kept secret. Somebody leaked it because his team must have paid someone to keep it quiet. I just hope it doesn't get ugly. Either way I am a Sinner fan all the way as long as he didn't cheat or kill anyone 😊
👏👏🥰me too , Sinner for life 😂
Sinner didn't receive any special treatment He simply has the money to pay for the very expensive lawyers needed to defend him against the doping agency:s allegations.
Hope the fact he's got the money to afford that it's not a crime.
People always have their biases. Serena never tested positive, but most people are quick to attribute her success to drugs. Sharapova was treated like a criminal after testing positive for a drug which was legal until December 2015. People were very quick to call Simona Halep a doper until the truth came out. I am against people doping. It's unfair. But I believe it's necessary to exercise common sense and patience when a player is accused of doping. Things are not always as it seems.
If you make it as professional athlete the first thing you are told is this is a process. There's no such thing as ignorance. You are responsible for what goes into your body, what goes on your body and you're responsible for your team around you knowing the same thing. Sinner has been given preferential treatment. Even Chris Evert thinks that the tennis bodies protect top players by keeping things under wraps. Here's what she says: "I do think there's some protection here, (more) than if you were Joe Smith, ranked 400 in the world." Remember Agassi's case? We saw the same sort of protection there too. Shame on ATP for the corruption and double standards!!
Why wasn't Errani given same treatment when it was her mother's cancer treatment pills that fell into the food...and that was proven. Yet she got suspended. Call a spade a spade, it's unfair for her and special treatment for Sinner. There's no question about it. Sinner keeps all those titles and walks away unscathed is the scandal here. Yet he keeps the trainer on his team.
Also, Haddad Mia had a similar issue where she was suspended for years over a contaminated supplement she was taking? This is really not fair at all when the ruling body never gave any Grace to any of the other players, mainly the journey players. 😢😮
Different strokes for different folks.Sinner is a star that brings in big dollars for sponsors and tournaments so his ranking must be protected at all costs
ATP is at it again...think Zverev and his domestic violence case. I can only imagine the ATP legal team were the legal team representing Sinner. That's the scandal here.
I think we should all remember the top 5 get special rules
One free pass and let’s cheer for him at US Open
Christian, your's is an articulate voice of reason - very well put together. As you point out--every case is different. But, as we know, there are always some who rub their hands at controversy:
"CONTROVERSY EQUALIZES FOOLS AND WISE MEN, AND THE FOOLS KNOW IT" - (Oliver Wendell Holmes - US philosopher)
The 'sour grapes' of Kyrgios and Shapovalov show a lack of nuanced argument - everything in black&white. Sinner seems a really sincere and measured young man - he always conducts himself graciously; even when he loses--no histrionics! Yes, there are people in this world who ENJOY CONTROVERSY--they'd be better getting their own behaviour together
The REPUTATION font in the video is iconic
Bravo Christian! Very clear and true analysis! I am more than sure, knowing the entire career of Sinner since he was 16, that he would NEVER cheat to win or to succeed! It was verified that he was innocent. I am sure he will fire part of his team for this big mistake who could cost his entire career. I hope that he can really convince everyone that he is innocent, and that he did not get any benefit from this substance.
I think I wrote you before but I'm really proud of what you do and how you do it. We tend to agree on most things but that's truly beside the point. My point is that I went to school for journalism and law school -- if I had gone further in tennis and really play competitive college, etc. and was transported from 1983 to 2023 I would be doing exactly what you are doing. What I need to do now that I got my hip fixed is figure out how my FH became so horrible, fix it and return to match play at 60! I still have most of the foot speed I had at 50. th-cam.com/video/duD__IVosrU/w-d-xo.html
the rat doped
Kamil posted a post on Instagram today about this topic. I hope it doesn't affect his game, he's playing the 2nd round of qualifiers today..
it still sounds suspicious to me and I don't believe the pain cream explanation. Anybody, including you, who believes this nonsense is delusional.
Why would he risk it over such a small insignificant amount?
@@diodoruscronusIt is not necessarily a trivial amount.
It could be a sign that he was doping but the substance had largely cleared by the point of the test.
Would love a deep dive on all the doping scandal and differential treatment, Sharapova Errani Halep Sinner and lower ranked players or older cases like Tara Moore
What's the brand of the spray? We might want to buy some.....
I do believe in 2nd chances but only after his 2 year ban!!
what a bunch of bs. He doesn t deserve 2 years out of the tennis courts. Bloody hater
Thanks for your balanced analysis
This case is really interesting… from having a coach that was previously involved with a player with biological passport anomalies that later tested positive (Halep), a physio that was involved in a case with a basketball team with doping and the use of a cream of a banned anabolic steroid that can be bought in Italy easily and that is known to have the highest cases per country of clostebol sanctions (even when it was developed by East Germany in their golden era of state sponsored doping). Really dodgy case, but really the president of the ITIA and ATP being Italian and all the money he brings on tour and all the sponsors the has (also he comes from a rich family) it’s no surprise this case was treated this way.
Wasnt Cahill coaching Halep when she was caught drugging?🤔
No, Mouratoglou was her coach
He has been favoured…. Remember Simona Haley?????
Nope. Never heard of her.
@@SR-fs2fdya me either who is that? 😂
Simona Halep !
Exact situation !
Halep is out , Sinner is champion ..
The story on how he got contaminated, just sounds suspect..
To you.
Agreed. I mean who uses a cream for massage. It's usually some type of oil. And for it to have a steroid in it? It sounds pretty suspect.
What if he wasn't the no1? Would he have been treated differently???
Moral of the story - if you're going to get caught doping, be sure you're ranked #1 :)
Two positive tests calls for being banned as all others that made the same errors had to deal with.
Dude, great take!
Imagine if the name Sinner was replaced by Djokovic or Medvedev.I almost forgot - OJ Simpson was also found not guilty
What type of physio carries around a scalpel?
And if he does why would you put that in a bag without protective covering? I'm not buying the excuses. The only thing I'm buying is the cover up.
It's for callouses. And I think we can all agree the physio has not been as professional as he should have been.
DuDe....Unless you know Sinner and his team personally, I suggest you refrain from making assumptions and frivolous talking as if you know he isn't guilty or not. Keep your biased opinions to yourself. You're just supposed to report and give facts.
well i must say that this is his channel and he can give his opinion if he wants to. Plus the same could apply for anyone saying that he is a cheater and that he should be banned. they dont know sinner or his team so maybe we should all shut up. I dont know thats my opinion hahhahhahaha
Why not just allow doping and let athletes choose if they want to dope or not and make it publicly known so people know which ones are doing it naturally or not? They will still be tested to confirm if they used PEDs but they can play but people will know they used so their wins will always have a question mark.
This kind of issue regarding doping just makes people question if an athlete is doping or not or if they won because of PEDs. So allow the PEDS and allow them to take the prize money since this kind of incidents will always mar an athlete's career whether it was truly doping or just part of medication because of an illness like asthma, for example.
I really like Sinner and i really want to believe him. But i have to admit that the story is somewhat questionable. So the premise here is secondary contamination via a massage. So the guy giving the massage had a cut on his finger and treated it with a spray that contained an illegal substance. First of all, why does he proceed with the massage? If he has an open wound, it's unsafe in any circumstance, to have contact with a client. Especially one that might have skin damage, since he is a professional athlete. Second, who the hell treats a cut on the finger with anything? A bandage and 30 minutes would normally be enough. A wound that is not closed in 30 minutes, you should not touch a professional athlete. Then the spray is not really effective for open wounds. Also, why did he not wear gloves? Does Sinner want his masseur bleeding all over him? I really don't understand this, Sinner does not seem dishonest to me. But who knows what life is like at that level. I hope i can forget this happened, because right now, i am not sure and Sinner was the main attraction on the ATP for me.
I do have to say, that many times the truth is less believable then a lie. The low concentration of the substance does tell us something. Top players are tested like 20-30 times a year, so it seems also implausible that he is flirting with that treshold the whole year. Tennis is not only about athletiscism. It's about skill and mental resilience mostly. So the risk he runs by using illigal substance in low concentration, with minor physical benefit, seems not worth the risk, but who knows
What are you doing with this crazy opinion video, brate? Part of his fan-club, right? Is he allowed to test positive at all, and WHAT is the prescription for said violation?😂 And please dont put it into the hands of the experts…they’ve proven that they suspend some players and protect others. And make no mistake, this was a protection racket: why didnt they announce that he was suspended (April) and for what reason, which they were required by their own rules; and why bring up the amount of illegal substance in his system AND DECLARE that didnt help him?😂 Now, Jannik can get on with his life as his team goes overboard explaining what happened and there’s no investigation going on live and questions for him to deal with, he is free and clear according to the dumbest story ever invented… and even if it is TRUE, is he ALLOWED to have any amount in his system?😂 everyone knows whats up!
What is the rule? How minute or small it should be considered intentional or unintentional Dope?
The International Federation on behalf of the ATP, WTA and the Grand Slams tested, investigated, made decisions based on facts and their doping criteria and rules. They found no doping infraction for Sinner. Now a group known as WADA (Worldwide Anti Doping Agency} will review the decision. If they find fault with the decision they can appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sports based in Lausanne, Switzweland. Unfortunently, just as in our legal system, the less access to funding for some players to appeal decisions is not going to change. But oh yeah, the ignorant and uniformed totally helter skelter comments by millions will hang over entire careers of players. Can't wait to be told by people they have the right to say whatever they want to. Unfortunately ya'll do.
I don’t know. We will never know the truth but I do know that at the beginning of this tennis season I said to myself, “skinny Sinner put on some muscle.” And now this. 😮
If this was Novak, it would’ve been the Western media hysteria...
He definitely received special treatment but it’s a topical not oral treatment anyway, so I think it’s no biggie.
Its always a big deal
Mark McGuire used topical cream, worked pretty well while breaking home run record in baseball
Having said that I believe many of players are microdosing for recovery and never test positive so either way Sinner haters should leave him be, tennis does need him
The top 5 always allowed to do a little bit of doping like Agassi so I think coach Cahill should have just said people need to get over it and cheer for Sinner bc he is box office- and also talent so should get one free pass
Sinner hired Naldi as his physio after Naldi was physio for a basketball team that had a player suspended for the EXACT SAME substance -- and dates of Naldi 's finger cut don't match dates that Simmer was tested. Not watching you again, knowing you either don't research enuf to know important info or simply don't care about the truth. I love Summer's tennis, but he's guilty enuf to be punished -- or rules should change to stop punishing others for far less offenses.
Interesting and timely video. I disagree with you on Sinner, though. He’s definitely the current golden boy and they protected him. But, I agree with you that all of these orgs. need to apply their rules and sanctions consistently (which I don’t believe they do at present).
Thanks for your honest opinion, and kudos for Sinner's recent big title! He must've nerves of steel!
I would love to hear from more experts who could assess if Sinner's story is credible or not.
It's true that these affairs have the power to hang around as a life long cloud.
I am German, and l have a few very specific informations about the sad case of Germany's erstwhile shining star athlet and olympic gold medal winner Dieter Baumann - better known today as the infamous athlet who claimed that his toothpaste had been spiked deliberately with a testosterone substance! Crazy, right? This cannot possibly be true! Shame on him! Get him outta here! But wait a minute - a close look at the pesky details of the case and the very specific situation of Germany in the decade after the reunification of East- and West Germany, reveals a very different picture. When Dieter Baumann was tested positive, his stellar career was winding down, he didn't need to prove himself anymore as an athlet, and he had become a prominent spokesperson and activist against doping - and he had ruffled quite a few feathers of former East German athlets and their coaches, by pointing out that East Germany had a system of state-controlled doping in place, just like the former Soviet Union and today's Russia! Shortly after the reunification Germany had sort of inherited all these athlets from former East Germany and this boosted the German results noticeably for a few years! But there was a lot of distrust between the two groups of athlets. The athlets from East Germany resented the cloud of suspicion! And many very young East German athlets had actually been doped without their knowledge. One method of administrating the banned substances witbout their knowledge was - - - yes, spiking their toothpastes! It was also well known by insiders that Dieter Baumann had the habit of brushing his teeth before a competition. It would've been fairly easy for an insider to switch his toothpaste with a contaminated product. In those days these long and middle distance runners were together without any fear of foul play, and it was only a minor sport event anyway. The motive for doing something like this could've been the ruffled feathers of those whom Dieter Baumann had attacked. And how great would it be to expose the popular West German squeaky clean anti-doping posterboy as a bloody hypocrite! Eventually a contaminated toothpaste sample was produced by Baumann, after all sorts of everyday substances had been looked into. Baumann went into a closed lab for a few days, where he brushed his teeth with this product as usual, because he wanted to show that it was indeed possible to test positive just by using this spiked toothpaste. Well, it was demonstrated that it was indeed possible. And experts said that it was highly unlikely that Baumann and the people who worked with him, could have fabricated so quickly a spiked toothpaste sample which would produce exactly the same positive doping tests as those which had started the whole affair. Baumann also had body hair samples tested, and he could prove that he cannot have been a regular user of the testosterone substance. At this point the German anti-doping commission dropped the charges against Baumann because it was believed that Baumann had supplied a convincing explanation why he had tested positive, and that it wasn't his fault. The only thing which was missing, was the perp who had tried to ruin Baumann's reputation. Unfortunately the international organisations thought that the case was absolutely preposterous and they didn't accept the results of the German reports. Baumann got a 2-year suspension which more or less ended his career. But this was not the worst thing, since the end of his career as an active athlet had been near anyway. The worst thing was that his reputation was in tatters, and since in the following decade people started to forget the details of this case and the very specific situation of Germany after the reunification, Baumann has become the athlet with the worst excuse ever for being caught cheating. Most of those who know Baumann, are convinced that he is innocent. But the damage has been significant. He actually hired detectives in order to find out who had done this to him, but the case could never get resolved.
I am fairly cynical as far as doping is concerned. I think it is wide spread and only a handful of athlets are actually caught, and as a tennis fan I think it's deplorable that there are too few controls in between competions - but that's precisely the time when athlets actually dope! But l also think that we should not condemn athlets who have tested positive without hearing their side of the story. It's a very unfortunate situation that athlets who tested positive are considered to be guilty until proven innocent. And even when they supply a more or less convincing explanation, they can never completely dispel the whiff of suspicion.
Tennis establishment gonna love you, bro.
Dude I have been bitching about Vitas not being in HoF for YEARS... and then of course my blog disappeared from the face of the Earth. Just like that. But my other blogs on blogger that were nowhere near as strong still remained. We are all doomed in this Facebook bullshit world.
What does Simona Halep who failed her drug test and Sinner have in common.....or should I say who......D. Cahill
don't think he doped, but he definitely got special treatment its not even a question
Well done
This story seems so unlikely.
Tested twice to confirm the first one
Coach said, it was a DEEP CUT, only 2 days after he remove the bandage, but, lets start with when Sinner saw bandage and ASK physio did he use any product(so careful), after removing the bandage, not ASKING the same question? Not even once during massage they didn't talk about cut hmmm. is your wound healing ok, did you aply something and physio knows he used a drug substence and somehow be quiet about it, story for kids
I can’t believe you’re defending Sinner. You do realise athletes dope, please don’t treat your listeners as though they’re stupid - unless you genuinely believe what’s been said, if so, then that’s perhaps the real concern. It’s probably better you don’t say anything, save you from looking silly.
Athletes do dope but Jannik was cleared by an extensive investigation process. Did you read the full report? Experts anonymously found that the trace amounts of clostebol found would not have affected his performance. You can criticize how this was handled and the double standards but Jannik was cleared by the process
That is the reason of rising of Sinner all of a sudden! Shame ATP! Shame Sinner and his team.
You are the only shame.
Happy hating.
Same impression
@@Runa-iw4yd You are the only shame.
Mind your own business.
Sinner has been cleared of all allegations. If you
don't agree then appeal against the doping agency and let us know how you are getting on with it.
Don't try to judge what has already been judged by an official body.
Happy hating.
This is understatement,The little amount of that substance could have not drastically worked miracles,He has been working hard,he hits along the lines,not a defending type of player,hitting those lines requires practice, determination and great sacrifice
@@FabioSangiorgi-vu5eg You are official NIKE bot for this purpose, account is made a year ago especially for supporting two players!
I feel sorry for him but in an examination those who deliberately brought in cheating materials and those who didn't are judged the same way. I don't believe in making exceptions. If he tested for anything prohibited then he should face the full weight of the law regardless of quantity.
say more bs cmon . 😂😂
You are the real BS. Why not comment instead of attacking those who comment.
Why do cheaters always mistakingly take a prohibited substance. Why is it they never mistakingly inject poison that would kill them? You must be a fool to attack me
Ohh.I don't see Yannick purpuesly doping .He is too humble and h9nest to do such a thing.And much too young.So,when he ACCIDENTALLY came in contact with prohibited substances than we should seek by his team.😢😢😢😢😢😢It is sooo sad that this happens ,so short for US OPEN 😢😢😢😢.I don't know how the public will react 😢😢😢😢😢OMG .I am a huge Rafa,Roger and Carlos fan but I really hope that Yannick will be ok.Playing under such circumstances ????😢😢😢😢😢Wish him all the strength and courage in the world 😮😢😢😢😢
His publicists created an image of him as a nicest guy on the planet and apparently they did a great job according to your comment. But you can’t know if he is humble and honest in reality. Meanwhile, this explanation story from his team sounds like a dog ate my homework and it’s shady to say the least. Not believable at all.
Does that mean he s gona win the Us open 🤔😊