I got the Mach 5 in summer 2022. I have logged 250 miles on them to date. I routinely run 5k-10k at a time, and I recently ran a half marathon, all in these shoes. I ran in the mud, in pouring rain, on a track, on a treadmill, and they have stayed durable with no significant appreciable deficits on the tread. They are very durable, very comfy and easy to train in, and I believe they even helped solve issues with my plantar fasciitis (likely multifactorial). I stand by Hokas, this shoe in particular.
Just passed 350km on my pair (using them as a daily trainer) and they're still brilliant! The outsoles have definitely worn down in places, but I never slip in them despite running in pretty terrible English winter weather (rain, frost, wet leaves etc.) I was hugely skeptical when I purchased them, but have to say the durability (and grip) has massively exceeded my expectations. For anyone thinking about picking up a pair in the sales, I'd say go for it.
Ran about 200 miles on these, and I still love them. And as a person who travels a ton, these are great to take when I can only pack one pair of shoes. Looks great, versatile, can do everything 👍🏼 one of my favorites of 2022 for sure
It's interesting to see you pairing the Mach 5 with racing and trail partners; nice addition to the review! I'm still going strong in my Mach 4s (260 miles) with plans to add the 5 once these reach their end of life.
I just ran a marathon in a fresh pair of these with a 3:32 finish , no training except for two 15 mile runs four weeks out. My feet were sore after but they’re great shoes. Firm yet soft.
As someone with a long narrow foot, I appreciate the reference to volume up front and the lacing. I would love to see focus on this in future and perhaps a good top view photo showing how the laced area looks on the foot with the shoe fully tightened.
Absolutely appreciate the detailed review and insight. I’ve had the Mach 5 since it came out, and only recently tallied the miles at well over 350. As others have noted, there is initial wear and outsole fraying, but it seems to just reach a point and then stop! I’ve had innumerable trainers for serious training miles over the last year, but I keep grabbing the Mach. The cushioning, as you point out, is just always there - nicely tuned no matter the type of run. I also appreciate the stability from the flared midsole - in both heel and forefoot; and the heel bevel is perfect (and appears to be copied by other brands - as was hoka’s rocker, toe spring, etc.). I am on the lighter side at 130lbs., but do use the Mach on both gravel roads and trails - nothing gnarly, primarily mtn. bike trails. Gotta say, love your format!
Great review Kofuzi! I took my Mach 4 to 430 miles - so I know exactly what you are talking about with regard to rubber coverage on the outsole. The outsole didn't look pretty at that point, but I'd say that the midsole was quite alright up until 325-ish miles. Once I crossed 350 miles, the midsole felt quite dead to me. I do virtually all my running on paved roads.
I’m a heavier runner with average (at best) mechanics and run on sandy, rocky asphalt and I took the Mach 4 to 400 miles. Cosmetically, the outsole looked bad by 250 miles, but the wear was even and the shoe felt great until 350-375 miles. The last 25-50 miles were still fine, but the shoe was relegated to easy runs as I phased them out. With the improvements to the top layer of foam, I would expect to get that many miles or more in the Mach 5.
My 1st comment on youtube is a big compliment to you K.! Love watching your videos. The Mach 5 does it for me. With a minimum of wear after the first 100 road K's. I'm a runner with Achilles tendon and joint issues and a Hoka fan for many years. They keep me running! My current endurance-recovery / tempo / trail line-up: Bondi 8/Mach 5/Stinson ATR6.
Ive been using Nike pegasus shoes my whole life. I feel like as the years pass the worse the quality gets. The shoe was also very narrow, didnt have great ventilation, had mediocre cushion, and would tear easily. I just wanted to try something new and sent it with the $140 Mach 5's. Its bizzare too me how comfortable, lightweight, and roomy those shoes are. The only "down side" you pointed out was an upside for me.
I have just ticked over 1200km's in my Mach 5's as my daily trainer. I run trails, dirt and road. Durabitly is great, super comfortable and is an awesome shoe. Only looking to get new ones now as the mid sole is starting to loose that pop but after 1200ks would expect that. I'll be buying anothe pair for sure
I've done just over 200km in my Mach 5, mostly tarmack and gravel. And they hold up really well in the outsole. Really an amazing shoe. Probably my favourite 👟
Local shoe store has these shoes on sale for $64 but I told myself I wouldnt buy anything new in 2023 till I run through my other shoes. They felt great on foot and on their treadmill as a heavy-set runner who plods through long runs and mileage at base paces for me
Rewatched this video trying to decide which shoe to choose from the Hoka Mach 5 or the NB Rebel v3. Currently using the Novablast 3 and Endorphin Pro 3, lol. I had the rebel v2's previously, and they seem to bottom out on me after about 100 miles. After we rewatching this, I may end up going with the Mach 5 if I can find them on sale, thank you as always!
Just purchased a pair after you compared them to the speedgoat at the end. I have been looking for a road version of that shoe since buying it. Thanks for the recommendation Kofuzi!
Just hit 368km in my Mach 5's. Outsole has held up great, ride is still outstanding. The added volume is the only reason I can use them, the Rincon 3 is so narrow I overhang in them badly in the standard width which is horrible. Absolutely getting a second pair of Mach 5's.
Hi, the toebox of the Mach 5 is wider than the rincon? The mach 4 was much narrow than the rincon 2 that is also in the narrow side. If the 5 has more space it would be fantastic because the 4 is painfull for me. Thanks.
Well I am glad you asked! 😁Mizuno Wave Sky 4, used as a daily trainer for over a year, 1200 km, outsole still looks like it has plenty of life left, midsole a bit less. Mizuno Wave Rider 24, used as the fast days shoe and triathlon racer in the same period, 820 km. Outsole again still holding but midsole feels dead. This year I have a more diversified rotation, and no Mizunos but it makes me smile when reviewers do a durability review after 160km. That's, like, the shoes' post-warmup.
@@kofuzi Over the past 6-8 years I've been alternating between a year in Mizunos (they were my first running shoes, that won a certain degree of loyalty) and a year in a different brand, just to see how the competition stacks. I liked the Rider a lot, my relation with the Sky was 'meh, it's the daily trainer'. This year I am on Novablast and I think they won me over, at least in the daily trainer category and if they survive at least a year / 600km. My point tho is something else, IMO 160km is no longevity test, I am sorry. I know this is pretty much the 'industry standard' among YT reviewers and I am not trying to single you out here. I am complaining here because I follow you and not many other. My bet that for the vast majority of people who have a one-shoe rotation, maybe two, the goal is to replace them once a year, tho this might not be representative of the audience of a running channel, who actively go out seeking shoe reviews 🤷
Love your recommendation to pair the Mach 5 with the Pro 3. Love the feel of the Mach 5 and was considering the Pro 3. Your recommendation has confirmed the Pro 3 is the race shoe to get
I've just hit 200 miles in mine, and despite a couple of spots where there is some visible wear, I've not had a single issue with slipping on any road surface. The only time I've had any slip was through a local woodland path which was muddy and would have caused any non-trail shoe to slip. Cushioning seems as good as day one, and I still love running in them. I've used them for long runs to intervals and have found them brilliant for everything. Super impressed and would highly recommend them to anyone. The only downside is the fact I have to crank the laces right down to get a snug fit as you say, but that's not a reason to not buy them and I do have rather narrow feet.
Man, that white on white with the gold lettering looks sublime… +white socks🔥🔥🔥 Also… loved the information of what this shoe would go with… great idea👍🏻.
I have the Mach 5 and the Pro 3 in my marathon training rotation, having ran in both on Monday and Tuesday this week was thinking how great they both are, to hear you think they’re a great partnership is great 🙌🏼
@@palmyarmyswim I have only put 44km into the Pro 3 so far over the course of 4 speed sessions and a parkrun and there is little or no wear so far. Would like to test them out on a few long runs as I think it will be the marathon day shoe
I ran in it for a couple months and loved it! Afterwards I started running in Xero HFS shoes and loved those even more! Natural is much better for the feet, knees, and hips! Anything over zero drop disguises problems and leads to more injury issues by going with more support and bigger cushioning!
I know it's been a while since the review, but I just bought the Mach 5. Thanks to the release of the Mach 6, you can find some good deals. Impressions? The shoe is very light, you don't feel it on your foot when you put it on. It fits comfortably and has a fairly flat insole, which I like. The shoes are surprisingly wide. I tried on the Clifton 8 once and it was tragic - too narrow. I don't have any such problems here. For comparison, the Mach 5 are much wider than the Triumph 20 and slightly wider than the Clifton 9.
I used this shoe in 2022 and got 300 great miles out, I am about to purchase another pair. I got a good deal on a pair of Nike Zoom Fly 5's or I would already have another pair. I absolutely loved the versatility of the shoe. Also, all 300 miles in the Hoka Mach 5 were on the road.
The initial wear on these exposed outsoles looks insane after the first couple of runs, and then it pretty much stays the same for hundreds of miles. Took my Machs to 650 km, no issues, just cosmetics.
On the durability front, I've got 496 miles (~800 km) on my Hoka Mach 4's. I am a light runner and my shoes tend to last well. The bottoms have worn in the same areas as my other shoes (outside heel, ball of the foot, and big toe). In the high-wear areas the shallow/light grooves in the bottom are worn away, but the deeper grooves still have some depth left. The main pattern of the tread on the bottom is still apparent. The shoes still feel good, but I have relegated them to recovery day duty at this point.
I think there’s a big disconnect between HOKA’s trail and road lines. For example, Hoka says the road version of the Clifton is the Challenger ATR, and that makes very little sense to me. The Torrent as the trail version of the Mach also doesn’t quite seem to be a fit. Perhaps the Zinal? But in terms of picking which shoes might pair well together, I look for things that would be fun to have in the closet at the same time or that would otherwise be complementary. They don’t have to be betrothed, matchy matchy pairs
Although I have the Mach 4, the "outsole" is virtually identical. And I would say I agree with your outsole comments. I'm at 200mi and they definitely can go another 75mi -125mi.
I have the Mach 4, but not the 5, however picked up some Novablast 3's, Rebel v3's and Endorphin Pro 3's during the Xmas sales. I feel this video validated my choices 😁
My Mach 5 has around 150 miles (241km) on them and I still feel like my running on clouds. Sure the outsole doesn't look brand new but it's holding up just fine for me. Appreciate the recommendations for the race day shoe and other comparable daily trainers
I take Mach5 on all my trips. They can do all sorts of runs; they are light so keep my suitcase light, they also dry quickly if it rains during my run!
The best use I have found for the mach 5 in my running rotation is in their original box, and preparing to return to running warehouse. Never again will I buy a Hoka road shoe. Now the Speedgoats on the other hand....those are on point.
@@kofuzi brought my Saucony speed 2 out of retirement. Thought they were ready to hit the shelf at 400 miles but they are still a better option even at that mileage. The tread is still excellent but the midsole has softened up a bit. But they still pack a punch. Especially doing back to back runs between that and the mach 5. Also have the NB rebel V2 which in all regards is in the same playing field and the mach 5 as far as "purpose" goes. And I find those to be more comfortable as well as able to tackle long miles without compromise. The fit of the mach 5 is great but I found the ride to be rather flat and uninspiring. But of course each shoe works for some more than others. Just not a fan of Hoka road shoes. My Clifton 8s felt rather dead after 100 miles and they became casual shoes at that point. Win some and you lose some.
Everyone kept recommending Hoka for me. I don’t run but walk and at the time I was walking 9.5 - 10 miles a day and my metatarsals were just burning. I break my walks into a shorter am walk (3.5 - 4.5) and an afternoon walk. I try to have 2-4 pairs of shoes I can cycle in a day and week. In the early spring I got 2 pairs at REI super discounted. One looked very similar to the Mach 5. The other was a trail shoe and it’s really good on light rain days. They were super comfy, especially in the metatarsal area. They were a bit wide but I broke them in. The tread lasted waaaay longer than my adidas. My adidas’ not only lost tread quickly but the padding around the heel just disintegrated super fast. My ASICS also had the padding/tread go but lasted longer than the adidas but shorter than the Hoka. Sadly I got my Hokas at a ridiculous sale so I’m not sure when I’ll ever be able to buy them again. Thanks for the review!
I ran the Mach 4 for over 500 miles on similar terrain as Kofuzi showed it. The traction still pefect. Now I feel the foam comes to and end and the shoe get harder to run. I would consider defenitely the Mach 5 as a successor withe the 4 being a really good abs versatile daily trainer.
A big advantage of the mach5, the rincon and the carbonX is that all these shoes provide a very good grip on an athletics track (tartan). I own other shoes, like RocketX and endorphin speed 2, that are lousy when the track is wet.
Surprised you didn’t compare the Mach 5 to the tecton x when making a trail comparison. They are practically identical besides the X having the plate. Both dual density and seems to be the exact same midsole materials. Pretty similar upper as well. Honestly makes me wonder how well the Mach 5 would perform with a plate too. Seems way closer than a speedgoat comparison.
I am looking for a light and fast shoe which I can also use for some easy stuff. I mainly run on gravel, sometimes easy trails and asphalt. I am thinking about getting either these or the New Balance Rebel v3. What's your take on these shoes compared to each other?
I'm wanna to try these. They look fresh.... I have Torrent 2 which I really like in USA 11.5..... should I go the same size in these or half a size less? Great video bro.....
Nice review! This shoe might just be my go-to shoe for Easy days. Dear Kofuzi I would likes to get an opinion from you about the Endorphine pro 3 after 100 Miles. The sole seems to have wear issues.
If I’m not mistaken, the Mach shoe is a little bit lighter than the Clifton, I remember when I bought my Mach’s a few years back, that’s what got me to buy the Mach over the Clifton. 🤷🏻♂️
I haven't bought the Mach 5s yet but I'm on my 2nd pair of Mach 4s (with another pair to go) and the 1st pair lasted for over 400 miles and were probably good enough to keep going. I still use them for the slow runs but usually go with my Cliftons for that. I'm just wondering whether running in Rincons as well as Machs makes sense. They feel very similar and the RIncoms are much cheaper. But the Machs are my favorite of all shoes and have been for 3 years. What I really need is a daily runner designed to run slow. All of these Hokas roll you forward making it hard for me not to accelerate out of my planned slow run.
How would you comapre these to the Pegasus 39 for daily training/mostly easy? Also, concerning the sizing, I have a narrow foot, and am a size 8 in the Pegasus 39. Do you think I think size down to 7.5 for the sake of width, or stay with an 8? Thank you!
I think it's splitting hairs a bit, but I would disagree. I think the SG5 has a bit less stack height in the forefoot that makes it feel like it has a road shoe drop. it's a bit more snappy and speed oriented than the Mafate 4, which makes me think the SG5 might line up well with the Mach 5. I think maybe the better road/trail pairing for the Mafate 4 would be the Clifton (I know Hoka says the Challenger is the trail Clifton, but I would have to disagree).
I have 100 miles on mine. I’m a heavier heal striker so am grind that area down quickly. If I get 300 miles out of mine I’ll be happy considering price paid.
Trying Hoka out for the first time and for Ironman. I'm confused on which shoe I should train in and which shoe I should race in... which shoe I should drink beer out of... all that... I just bought Hoka Mach 5 and and Hoka Bondi X. For Ironman marathons I'd aim anywhere close to 4 hour marathon, so I guess speed shoes aren't as big of a factor because I'm slower? Anyway, wondering if I should switch to Bondi 8 for comfort or consider Hoka Carbon x3 ... or another shoe in their lineup.
Nice shoe. I have one pair of the 5s and three of the 4s. I think I like the 4 version better, ran the Houston Marathon in 4s. I probably am getting 350ish miles a pair so I’m in for the Mach 6!
Hey Mike, can I pair Hoka Mk5 with Nike Peg 39 ? I am just thinking about 5mm drop in Hoka to going for 10mm in Nike. Is that a good idea ? Or another way to put it out is do people rotate or mix shoes based on heel drop sizes being same? Thanks
Kofuzi I heard the Bondi is a good running shoe, is that so? I don’t have spare money often, so I’m trying to make wise running shoe purposes. I probably am gonna just go with the Puma Velocity Nitro 2 next bc I love how Puma feels
yes, but if you're going to buy one and only one shoe, I'm not sure that's the one I would pick as it is a specific kind of shoe for a specific kind of use case. for more general use, I'd go with a daily trainer like this Mach 5. the Velocity Nitro 2 is also a good choice. Here is a video of my favorite daily trainers that you might find helpful th-cam.com/video/OJY0v9rcZ6U/w-d-xo.html
@@kofuzi I gotcha and that’s what I kinda figured bc I hadn’t seen a lot of runners talk about it, just a very few of them. Appreciate that info man and I may have checked that video out awhile back but ima double check, it sounds familiar to me
I used mach 5 with my weight 110kg up to 100kg now, maybe already more than 100km, still rocking solid. My mach 4 still doing good too for a 200km+ shoes
I got like 60 miles of running on mine (on top of regular daily use) and they are good for long running, I just don’t like the arch, wish I would’ve noticed it before I bought it, plus the Dino design in the heel feels a little weird lol. Oh, I have used it for all types of runs too, not just the longer run, lol. The rocker part and the width together keeps you from tripping, very well.
I like the Hoka Mach 5, though I ordered a new pair of the 4s. To me the previous iteration is more firm and prolly the profly + too squishy for me underfoot. Even walking around with both shoes, I prefer the the 4s, but that's a personal preference. I hope this trend of squishy marshmallow shoes doesn't extend to all running shoes, and brands keep the responsiveness of a shoe on the firmer side.
I am considering to get a pair I saw on discount but I am leaning towards the Novablast 3 too.. the difference in price is not much but the colorway is making me doubt, haha
These were my favourite shoes ever. And I too luv em on the trails. Lock down was 💯 great for me and toe splay and room in toe box are great. I actually think the no actual rubber on the outsole makes it better because it provides better ground feel and it can twist and mold to the surface beneath your feet for example rocks and jagged edges. And I'm happy with there longevity for the comfort and versatility that you get. I stocked up on a few at the boxing day sales because I think the Mach 6 is going to be a bit different to these one of a kind sneakers. God bless you and have a blessed 2024.
I have about 100 miles in the Mach 5 and can confirm- outsole is fine and still bouncy. Is the NB Rebel v3 less stable than the Mach 5 in your opinion? I ran in the V2 and felt like the heel was a little squishy.
My Mach 5 is around 100k. The funny part is about that. I have a endorphin shift 3 and I feel those shoes feels better in my daily workout. But it’s actually Mach 5 that I put more miles on. Maybe that shows Mach 5 has some magic in them lol
Loved these but everytime I was running on a hard surface, I tended to gravitate towards the Invincible Runs. Maybe I need to lose weight! I love this colourway though and and thinking of swapping these for my Tempo Next %.
As my Sacony endorphin speed, original is really worn out. Can’t find any new version twos didn’t like the threes I’m debating between these in the rebel 3’s. When you did the comparison on, I think it was the last version of both of these you kind of said you can’t be wrong either way they can. I should buy both, but that might cause a divorce in that’s expensive also.
I like the hoka mach 4. I ran in the shoe a lot last year... I will admit that I had purchased a pair and ran in them 2 times and the texture on the bottom of the shoe where i strike had completely worn off. That was concerning for me. Of all the hokas the mach is my favorite but I wouldnt choose them over options that I think are more sustainable.
I have done 270 miles in my Mach 4 and they don’t feel the same when I am doing a slow or long run (long easy run for me is just over 10k just under 6m per km). Strangely if I go fast for instance 30s all out or hill repetition max speed, they still feel okay. However I feel I need to go with the Mach 5 and leave the 4 for walking maybe😅
I’ve run 210mi in the Mach 5 since October 2022, and I can say that I’m not impressed with its durability. My past few runs have been “flat.” I’m 210lbs and a midfoot striker.
might be time to get a new pair. I'd always rather potentially leave a few miles in a shoe than develop a small injury. if they've been feeling flat for a while, that's kind of a beginning sign that it might be time to move on (either that, or you might need an extra recovery day before your next run).
Damn I wanted to love these to supplement my Altras. I loved their ride at speed but they really tweak my hips at easy pace - feels like the shoe slants inwards, internally rotating the hip. My hips are cranky so its probably me not the shoe. Too bad though as I liked the shoe otherwise.
I got the Mach 5 in summer 2022. I have logged 250 miles on them to date. I routinely run 5k-10k at a time, and I recently ran a half marathon, all in these shoes. I ran in the mud, in pouring rain, on a track, on a treadmill, and they have stayed durable with no significant appreciable deficits on the tread. They are very durable, very comfy and easy to train in, and I believe they even helped solve issues with my plantar fasciitis (likely multifactorial). I stand by Hokas, this shoe in particular.
Bad traction
@@videoforum4047 I’ve never had issues with traction running on different surfaces and weather conditions.
@@rielbertrand8255 are you in an area with snow? Same sentiment?
@@rawrss It’s snows here, but never stays on the ground for to long.
Arid climate where I live. No snow.
Just passed 350km on my pair (using them as a daily trainer) and they're still brilliant! The outsoles have definitely worn down in places, but I never slip in them despite running in pretty terrible English winter weather (rain, frost, wet leaves etc.) I was hugely skeptical when I purchased them, but have to say the durability (and grip) has massively exceeded my expectations. For anyone thinking about picking up a pair in the sales, I'd say go for it.
I am really liking the addition at the end of “also consider” recommendations, and “pairs well with”. Nice Kofuzi!!
thanks!
Love the new bullet points at the end, great new addition to the review format. Please keep!
thanks for the feedback!
Ran about 200 miles on these, and I still love them. And as a person who travels a ton, these are great to take when I can only pack one pair of shoes. Looks great, versatile, can do everything 👍🏼 one of my favorites of 2022 for sure
Done everything from parkrun to 40 mile ultra in these and absolutely love them,my first pair are over 1000 miles!!! and still feel good
Lol😂
It's interesting to see you pairing the Mach 5 with racing and trail partners; nice addition to the review! I'm still going strong in my Mach 4s (260 miles) with plans to add the 5 once these reach their end of life.
I just ran a marathon in a fresh pair of these with a 3:32 finish , no training except for two 15 mile runs four weeks out. My feet were sore after but they’re great shoes. Firm yet soft.
As someone with a long narrow foot, I appreciate the reference to volume up front and the lacing. I would love to see focus on this in future and perhaps a good top view photo showing how the laced area looks on the foot with the shoe fully tightened.
Absolutely appreciate the detailed review and insight. I’ve had the Mach 5 since it came out, and only recently tallied the miles at well over 350. As others have noted, there is initial wear and outsole fraying, but it seems to just reach a point and then stop! I’ve had innumerable trainers for serious training miles over the last year, but I keep grabbing the Mach. The cushioning, as you point out, is just always there - nicely tuned no matter the type of run. I also appreciate the stability from the flared midsole - in both heel and forefoot; and the heel bevel is perfect (and appears to be copied by other brands - as was hoka’s rocker, toe spring, etc.). I am on the lighter side at 130lbs., but do use the Mach on both gravel roads and trails - nothing gnarly, primarily mtn. bike trails. Gotta say, love your format!
Great review Kofuzi! I took my Mach 4 to 430 miles - so I know exactly what you are talking about with regard to rubber coverage on the outsole. The outsole didn't look pretty at that point, but I'd say that the midsole was quite alright up until 325-ish miles. Once I crossed 350 miles, the midsole felt quite dead to me. I do virtually all my running on paved roads.
I’m a heavier runner with average (at best) mechanics and run on sandy, rocky asphalt and I took the Mach 4 to 400 miles. Cosmetically, the outsole looked bad by 250 miles, but the wear was even and the shoe felt great until 350-375 miles. The last 25-50 miles were still fine, but the shoe was relegated to easy runs as I phased them out. With the improvements to the top layer of foam, I would expect to get that many miles or more in the Mach 5.
this is the information I needed.., being a heavier runner myself
Thanks!
My 1st comment on youtube is a big compliment to you K.! Love watching your videos. The Mach 5 does it for me. With a minimum of wear after the first 100 road K's. I'm a runner with Achilles tendon and joint issues and a Hoka fan for many years. They keep me running! My current endurance-recovery / tempo / trail line-up: Bondi 8/Mach 5/Stinson ATR6.
thanks so much for taking the time to write!
when do you rid of your trainers? when there is no more tread or cushion is 'dead;? @@kofuzi
Ive been using Nike pegasus shoes my whole life. I feel like as the years pass the worse the quality gets. The shoe was also very narrow, didnt have great ventilation, had mediocre cushion, and would tear easily. I just wanted to try something new and sent it with the $140 Mach 5's. Its bizzare too me how comfortable, lightweight, and roomy those shoes are. The only "down side" you pointed out was an upside for me.
I have just ticked over 1200km's in my Mach 5's as my daily trainer. I run trails, dirt and road. Durabitly is great, super comfortable and is an awesome shoe. Only looking to get new ones now as the mid sole is starting to loose that pop but after 1200ks would expect that. I'll be buying anothe pair for sure
hi, which is your weight?
I weigh 70kg
Thanks I'm concerned about the issue of durability, but if you tell me you've done 1200km, that's a very good sign.@@blairstrahan2147
I’ve just bought my first pair for £90 in the UK. Looking forward to trying them out.
I've done just over 200km in my Mach 5, mostly tarmack and gravel. And they hold up really well in the outsole. Really an amazing shoe. Probably my favourite 👟
glad to hear it's been working for you!
@@kofuzi which pair for working out indoors, treadmill and lifting????
I rarely leave comments on TH-cam videos and I studied communication myself but I can’t help but want to say man I love your b-rolls A LOT.
thanks so much! the b roll and action shots are my favorite. the rest is just filler.
Local shoe store has these shoes on sale for $64 but I told myself I wouldnt buy anything new in 2023 till I run through my other shoes. They felt great on foot and on their treadmill as a heavy-set runner who plods through long runs and mileage at base paces for me
while that is an incredibly good deal, other deals will certainly come.
I love the volume in the toe-box. The outsole just wears out so fast.
Rewatched this video trying to decide which shoe to choose from the Hoka Mach 5 or the NB Rebel v3. Currently using the Novablast 3 and Endorphin Pro 3, lol. I had the rebel v2's previously, and they seem to bottom out on me after about 100 miles. After we rewatching this, I may end up going with the Mach 5 if I can find them on sale, thank you as always!
Just purchased a pair after you compared them to the speedgoat at the end. I have been looking for a road version of that shoe since buying it. Thanks for the recommendation Kofuzi!
Just hit 368km in my Mach 5's. Outsole has held up great, ride is still outstanding. The added volume is the only reason I can use them, the Rincon 3 is so narrow I overhang in them badly in the standard width which is horrible. Absolutely getting a second pair of Mach 5's.
Hi, the toebox of the Mach 5 is wider than the rincon? The mach 4 was much narrow than the rincon 2 that is also in the narrow side. If the 5 has more space it would be fantastic because the 4 is painfull for me. Thanks.
Well I am glad you asked! 😁Mizuno Wave Sky 4, used as a daily trainer for over a year, 1200 km, outsole still looks like it has plenty of life left, midsole a bit less. Mizuno Wave Rider 24, used as the fast days shoe and triathlon racer in the same period, 820 km. Outsole again still holding but midsole feels dead.
This year I have a more diversified rotation, and no Mizunos but it makes me smile when reviewers do a durability review after 160km. That's, like, the shoes' post-warmup.
you ran a lot of miles in two shoes, but did you like them? did you have a good time?
you mentioned you picked different shoes this year.
@@kofuzi Over the past 6-8 years I've been alternating between a year in Mizunos (they were my first running shoes, that won a certain degree of loyalty) and a year in a different brand, just to see how the competition stacks. I liked the Rider a lot, my relation with the Sky was 'meh, it's the daily trainer'. This year I am on Novablast and I think they won me over, at least in the daily trainer category and if they survive at least a year / 600km.
My point tho is something else, IMO 160km is no longevity test, I am sorry. I know this is pretty much the 'industry standard' among YT reviewers and I am not trying to single you out here. I am complaining here because I follow you and not many other.
My bet that for the vast majority of people who have a one-shoe rotation, maybe two, the goal is to replace them once a year, tho this might not be representative of the audience of a running channel, who actively go out seeking shoe reviews 🤷
Love your recommendation to pair the Mach 5 with the Pro 3. Love the feel of the Mach 5 and was considering the Pro 3. Your recommendation has confirmed the Pro 3 is the race shoe to get
happy racing!
I've just hit 200 miles in mine, and despite a couple of spots where there is some visible wear, I've not had a single issue with slipping on any road surface. The only time I've had any slip was through a local woodland path which was muddy and would have caused any non-trail shoe to slip. Cushioning seems as good as day one, and I still love running in them. I've used them for long runs to intervals and have found them brilliant for everything. Super impressed and would highly recommend them to anyone. The only downside is the fact I have to crank the laces right down to get a snug fit as you say, but that's not a reason to not buy them and I do have rather narrow feet.
And funnily enough, Pro 3 is my race shoe and Speedgoat 5 my trail show. Kofuzi nailed it!
you nailed it
Man, that white on white with the gold lettering looks sublime… +white socks🔥🔥🔥
Also… loved the information of what this shoe would go with… great idea👍🏻.
I got the idea from City Slickers when the ice cream guys play the game of which ice cream flavor would go best with what dinner.
@@kofuzi Fried beans..."Scoop of chocolate, scoop of vanilla. Don't waste my time." 🤣
I have the Mach 5 and the Pro 3 in my marathon training rotation, having ran in both on Monday and Tuesday this week was thinking how great they both are, to hear you think they’re a great partnership is great 🙌🏼
Ben how does the pro 3 wear? How often do you use it? I'm loving the speed 3 for my tempo runs but weighing up if I buy another pair or 'step up'
@@palmyarmyswim I have only put 44km into the Pro 3 so far over the course of 4 speed sessions and a parkrun and there is little or no wear so far. Would like to test them out on a few long runs as I think it will be the marathon day shoe
I like the addition of shoe pairings in your reviews.
I ran in it for a couple months and loved it! Afterwards I started running in Xero HFS shoes and loved those even more! Natural is much better for the feet, knees, and hips! Anything over zero drop disguises problems and leads to more injury issues by going with more support and bigger cushioning!
I’m glad that is working for you
I know it's been a while since the review, but I just bought the Mach 5. Thanks to the release of the Mach 6, you can find some good deals.
Impressions? The shoe is very light, you don't feel it on your foot when you put it on. It fits comfortably and has a fairly flat insole, which I like. The shoes are surprisingly wide. I tried on the Clifton 8 once and it was tragic - too narrow. I don't have any such problems here. For comparison, the Mach 5 are much wider than the Triumph 20 and slightly wider than the Clifton 9.
I used this shoe in 2022 and got 300 great miles out, I am about to purchase another pair. I got a good deal on a pair of Nike Zoom Fly 5's or I would already have another pair. I absolutely loved the versatility of the shoe. Also, all 300 miles in the Hoka Mach 5 were on the road.
I love the shoe comparison and pairing with race shoe section at the end.
it's something new I thought I'd try for a bit. I really like thinking about it, and I'm glad you like it too
The initial wear on these exposed outsoles looks insane after the first couple of runs, and then it pretty much stays the same for hundreds of miles. Took my Machs to 650 km, no issues, just cosmetics.
Thanks a lot for the info!
On the durability front, I've got 496 miles (~800 km) on my Hoka Mach 4's. I am a light runner and my shoes tend to last well. The bottoms have worn in the same areas as my other shoes (outside heel, ball of the foot, and big toe). In the high-wear areas the shallow/light grooves in the bottom are worn away, but the deeper grooves still have some depth left. The main pattern of the tread on the bottom is still apparent. The shoes still feel good, but I have relegated them to recovery day duty at this point.
Love the Mach 5s! If I’m stumped on what to wear. I grab these
The way to go on the trails is Torrent 2/3 if you’re into the Mach sensation, NOT speedgoat. Thanks for another great vid Kofuzi!
I think there’s a big disconnect between HOKA’s trail and road lines. For example, Hoka says the road version of the Clifton is the Challenger ATR, and that makes very little sense to me. The Torrent as the trail version of the Mach also doesn’t quite seem to be a fit. Perhaps the Zinal?
But in terms of picking which shoes might pair well together, I look for things that would be fun to have in the closet at the same time or that would otherwise be complementary. They don’t have to be betrothed, matchy matchy pairs
For decades I have used Shoe-Goo on my shoes and the outsoles never wear out. Over 3000 miles ony blade outsole as well.
I have some more miles to go on my pair of Mach 4's, but, I'll definitely be checking version 5 out.
Although I have the Mach 4, the "outsole" is virtually identical. And I would say I agree with your outsole comments. I'm at 200mi and they definitely can go another 75mi -125mi.
you're artist of running experience
I have the Mach 4, but not the 5, however picked up some Novablast 3's, Rebel v3's and Endorphin Pro 3's during the Xmas sales. I feel this video validated my choices 😁
those are some nice pickups
My Mach 5 has around 150 miles (241km) on them and I still feel like my running on clouds. Sure the outsole doesn't look brand new but it's holding up just fine for me. Appreciate the recommendations for the race day shoe and other comparable daily trainers
I take Mach5 on all my trips. They can do all sorts of runs; they are light so keep my suitcase light, they also dry quickly if it rains during my run!
The best use I have found for the mach 5 in my running rotation is in their original box, and preparing to return to running warehouse. Never again will I buy a Hoka road shoe. Now the Speedgoats on the other hand....those are on point.
sorry to hear they didn't work out for you, and I'm glad you are able to return them. what are you going to get instead?
@@kofuzi brought my Saucony speed 2 out of retirement. Thought they were ready to hit the shelf at 400 miles but they are still a better option even at that mileage. The tread is still excellent but the midsole has softened up a bit. But they still pack a punch. Especially doing back to back runs between that and the mach 5. Also have the NB rebel V2 which in all regards is in the same playing field and the mach 5 as far as "purpose" goes. And I find those to be more comfortable as well as able to tackle long miles without compromise. The fit of the mach 5 is great but I found the ride to be rather flat and uninspiring. But of course each shoe works for some more than others. Just not a fan of Hoka road shoes. My Clifton 8s felt rather dead after 100 miles and they became casual shoes at that point. Win some and you lose some.
Everyone kept recommending Hoka for me. I don’t run but walk and at the time I was walking 9.5 - 10 miles a day and my metatarsals were just burning. I break my walks into a shorter am walk (3.5 - 4.5) and an afternoon walk. I try to have 2-4 pairs of shoes I can cycle in a day and week. In the early spring I got 2 pairs at REI super discounted. One looked very similar to the Mach 5. The other was a trail shoe and it’s really good on light rain days. They were super comfy, especially in the metatarsal area. They were a bit wide but I broke them in. The tread lasted waaaay longer than my adidas. My adidas’ not only lost tread quickly but the padding around the heel just disintegrated super fast. My ASICS also had the padding/tread go but lasted longer than the adidas but shorter than the Hoka. Sadly I got my Hokas at a ridiculous sale so I’m not sure when I’ll ever be able to buy them again. Thanks for the review!
I ran the Mach 4 for over 500 miles on similar terrain as Kofuzi showed it. The traction still pefect. Now I feel the foam comes to and end and the shoe get harder to run. I would consider defenitely the Mach 5 as a successor withe the 4 being a really good abs versatile daily trainer.
A big advantage of the mach5, the rincon and the carbonX is that all these shoes provide a very good grip on an athletics track (tartan). I own other shoes, like RocketX and endorphin speed 2, that are lousy when the track is wet.
Hi Ko! 👋 In the video, I see Connor from running warehouse in the background at a track. 😄
it's the only footage that exists where I am in front of him
thorough.., very thorough breakdown.
Surprised you didn’t compare the Mach 5 to the tecton x when making a trail comparison. They are practically identical besides the X having the plate. Both dual density and seems to be the exact same midsole materials. Pretty similar upper as well. Honestly makes me wonder how well the Mach 5 would perform with a plate too. Seems way closer than a speedgoat comparison.
I have 854 km (531 miles) on my Mach 4 (which have also no outsole) and still enjoy running in them without issues. But I never used them offroad.
I am looking for a light and fast shoe which I can also use for some easy stuff. I mainly run on gravel, sometimes easy trails and asphalt. I am thinking about getting either these or the New Balance Rebel v3. What's your take on these shoes compared to each other?
I'm wanna to try these. They look fresh.... I have Torrent 2 which I really like in USA 11.5..... should I go the same size in these or half a size less? Great video bro.....
Same size for me
Great review ... as usual 🙂
Nice review!
This shoe might just be my go-to shoe for Easy days.
Dear Kofuzi I would likes to get an opinion from you about the Endorphine pro 3 after 100 Miles.
The sole seems to have wear issues.
I'm at 87 miles in mine. 100 mile review coming
My first pair made it to 320 miles without issue - and they still have a lot of the initial midsole pop (just not much outsole left)
If I’m not mistaken, the Mach shoe is a little bit lighter than the Clifton, I remember when I bought my Mach’s a few years back, that’s what got me to buy the Mach over the Clifton. 🤷🏻♂️
I haven't bought the Mach 5s yet but I'm on my 2nd pair of Mach 4s (with another pair to go) and the 1st pair lasted for over 400 miles and were probably good enough to keep going. I still use them for the slow runs but usually go with my Cliftons for that. I'm just wondering whether running in Rincons as well as Machs makes sense. They feel very similar and the RIncoms are much cheaper. But the Machs are my favorite of all shoes and have been for 3 years. What I really need is a daily runner designed to run slow. All of these Hokas roll you forward making it hard for me not to accelerate out of my planned slow run.
Very good your new initiative, recommending the utilization of the shoe, alternatives and conpanion.
Thank you.
Great
How would you comapre these to the Pegasus 39 for daily training/mostly easy? Also, concerning the sizing, I have a narrow foot, and am a size 8 in the Pegasus 39. Do you think I think size down to 7.5 for the sake of width, or stay with an 8? Thank you!
Great review - Mafate Speed 4 would be a closer trail counterpart than the SG5?
I think it's splitting hairs a bit, but I would disagree. I think the SG5 has a bit less stack height in the forefoot that makes it feel like it has a road shoe drop. it's a bit more snappy and speed oriented than the Mafate 4, which makes me think the SG5 might line up well with the Mach 5. I think maybe the better road/trail pairing for the Mafate 4 would be the Clifton (I know Hoka says the Challenger is the trail Clifton, but I would have to disagree).
I have 100 miles on mine. I’m a heavier heal striker so am grind that area down quickly. If I get 300 miles out of mine I’ll be happy considering price paid.
good vid as usual man
thank you 🙏
I find myself looking for another make of shoe, than the Mach 5. Loved the Mach 4 and I think I prefer it to the 5
I love the extra volume in the toe box it’s the first Hoka I can wear.
Great review 👌🏽
thanks for watching!
Trying Hoka out for the first time and for Ironman. I'm confused on which shoe I should train in and which shoe I should race in... which shoe I should drink beer out of... all that... I just bought Hoka Mach 5 and and Hoka Bondi X. For Ironman marathons I'd aim anywhere close to 4 hour marathon, so I guess speed shoes aren't as big of a factor because I'm slower? Anyway, wondering if I should switch to Bondi 8 for comfort or consider Hoka Carbon x3 ... or another shoe in their lineup.
Nice shoe. I have one pair of the 5s and three of the 4s. I think I like the 4 version better, ran the Houston Marathon in 4s. I probably am getting 350ish miles a pair so I’m in for the Mach 6!
Hey Mike, can I pair Hoka Mk5 with Nike Peg 39 ? I am just thinking about 5mm drop in Hoka to going for 10mm in Nike. Is that a good idea ? Or another way to put it out is do people rotate or mix shoes based on heel drop sizes being same? Thanks
I wouldn't go out of my way rotate shoes based on heel drop
Thanks so do you mean it doesn't matter rotating shoes based on this criteria?
Kofuzi I heard the Bondi is a good running shoe, is that so?
I don’t have spare money often, so I’m trying to make wise running shoe purposes.
I probably am gonna just go with the Puma Velocity Nitro 2 next bc I love how Puma feels
yes, but if you're going to buy one and only one shoe, I'm not sure that's the one I would pick as it is a specific kind of shoe for a specific kind of use case. for more general use, I'd go with a daily trainer like this Mach 5. the Velocity Nitro 2 is also a good choice. Here is a video of my favorite daily trainers that you might find helpful
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@@kofuzi I gotcha and that’s what I kinda figured bc I hadn’t seen a lot of runners talk about it, just a very few of them.
Appreciate that info man and I may have checked that video out awhile back but ima double check,
it sounds familiar to me
What’s more versatile/stable for someone training in the military? Mach 5 or Novablast 3
I used mach 5 with my weight 110kg up to 100kg now, maybe already more than 100km, still rocking solid. My mach 4 still doing good too for a 200km+ shoes
they are good for 1200km's so i wouldnt worry about 200
I would love a pair of these, but I cannot find them anywhere at my size (15) where I live. Is this common anywhere else, outside of Scandinavia?
I got like 60 miles of running on mine (on top of regular daily use) and they are good for long running, I just don’t like the arch, wish I would’ve noticed it before I bought it, plus the Dino design in the heel feels a little weird lol.
Oh, I have used it for all types of runs too, not just the longer run, lol.
The rocker part and the width together keeps you from tripping, very well.
I like the Hoka Mach 5, though I ordered a new pair of the 4s. To me the previous iteration is more firm and prolly the profly + too squishy for me underfoot. Even walking around with both shoes, I prefer the the 4s, but that's a personal preference. I hope this trend of squishy marshmallow shoes doesn't extend to all running shoes, and brands keep the responsiveness of a shoe on the firmer side.
I am considering to get a pair I saw on discount but I am leaning towards the Novablast 3 too.. the difference in price is not much but the colorway is making me doubt, haha
These were my favourite shoes ever. And I too luv em on the trails. Lock down was 💯 great for me and toe splay and room in toe box are great. I actually think the no actual rubber on the outsole makes it better because it provides better ground feel and it can twist and mold to the surface beneath your feet for example rocks and jagged edges. And I'm happy with there longevity for the comfort and versatility that you get. I stocked up on a few at the boxing day sales because I think the Mach 6 is going to be a bit different to these one of a kind sneakers. God bless you and have a blessed 2024.
Does the rocker in the front end makes you feel that the drop is more than 5mm?
No
I have about 100 miles in the Mach 5 and can confirm- outsole is fine and still bouncy.
Is the NB Rebel v3 less stable than the Mach 5 in your opinion? I ran in the V2 and felt like the heel was a little squishy.
no
My Mach 5 is around 100k. The funny part is about that. I have a endorphin shift 3 and I feel those shoes feels better in my daily workout. But it’s actually Mach 5 that I put more miles on. Maybe that shows Mach 5 has some magic in them lol
Loved these but everytime I was running on a hard surface, I tended to gravitate towards the Invincible Runs. Maybe I need to lose weight! I love this colourway though and and thinking of swapping these for my Tempo Next %.
As my Sacony endorphin speed, original is really worn out. Can’t find any new version twos didn’t like the threes I’m debating between these in the rebel 3’s.
When you did the comparison on, I think it was the last version of both of these you kind of said you can’t be wrong either way they can. I should buy both, but that might cause a divorce in that’s expensive also.
I have a pair of Mach5s still unboxed. Awaiting until I run off my older shoes. But I might want to cheat a bit to get there sooner ☺️😉
I don't see any harm in that
Maybe you can consider the entire 20-30 mm stack height midsole is the outsole, so it can go 10,000 k. or until we get injuries… 😂 novablast3 for me .
people get very particular when it comes to rubber on the outsole, which is something that I can comprehend in theory but do not agree with
I'm thinking of trying it at the track today ,.some 400 m reps at 5kpace , 1k rep at 10k pace and 200m reps at 2k pace reps🙂
I took it on the track once for mile repeats at threshold pace. it was better than I thought it would be.
I wish I could still buy the Mach 4! I retired mine after 100 mi bc I started getting relentless shin splints
which shoe did you switch to?
Is it comfortable for HM bro?!
I like the hoka mach 4. I ran in the shoe a lot last year... I will admit that I had purchased a pair and ran in them 2 times and the texture on the bottom of the shoe where i strike had completely worn off. That was concerning for me. Of all the hokas the mach is my favorite but I wouldnt choose them over options that I think are more sustainable.
but the shoe was able to last long enough for you to run in it a lot last year?
I have done 270 miles in my Mach 4 and they don’t feel the same when I am doing a slow or long run (long easy run for me is just over 10k just under 6m per km). Strangely if I go fast for instance 30s all out or hill repetition max speed, they still feel okay.
However I feel I need to go with the Mach 5 and leave the 4 for walking maybe😅
It might be time to move on to another pair
MACH 5 now 97 bones (black) at AAFES.
ooh
Jack of all trades and master of none. Endo speed 2s are a much better tempo pick plus you get a plate inside
my friend, you have to recite the entire quote:
"A jack of all trades is a master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one.”
For how much it is and how long it can last ther worth it
I was going to buy the 5 but the local running store had one more pair of the 4 on a discount for $65 bucks so I got a second pair of the 4s .
nice. I do think the 5 is an improvement, but $65 is such a great deal for last year's version
@@kofuzi I couldn't pass it up I wait to get the 5 next year once thier on sale or unless they dona big upgrade.
Hello all, which shoe would u y’all prefer Clifton 8 or Mach 5?!? Thanks
I’ve run 210mi in the Mach 5 since October 2022, and I can say that I’m not impressed with its durability. My past few runs have been “flat.” I’m 210lbs and a midfoot striker.
might be time to get a new pair. I'd always rather potentially leave a few miles in a shoe than develop a small injury. if they've been feeling flat for a while, that's kind of a beginning sign that it might be time to move on (either that, or you might need an extra recovery day before your next run).
Damn I wanted to love these to supplement my Altras. I loved their ride at speed but they really tweak my hips at easy pace - feels like the shoe slants inwards, internally rotating the hip. My hips are cranky so its probably me not the shoe. Too bad though as I liked the shoe otherwise.
Did these run small as well?
I like the Mach 5 in size 9. I go up to 9.5 in the Mafate 4 and Bondi 8
Which more versatile?endorphin speed 2 or mach 5?
It's kind of a wash IMO. The Speed 2 is a little better for speed days, the Mach 5 is a little better for long/easy. Both are fine for race day.