Well there a real battle rifle. Not a gun that looks like a battle rifle. Like S&W mossberg Something from Palmetto State Armory would fall apart on the first day
"Pulling them off the same assembly line" Eh idk it's sig we're talking about. Sounds like they're finding blems or out of spec models and just turning them around on the civilian market.
You realize Sig provides rifles to Tier 1 SOF all over the world too right? JTF-2 was seen with them in Haiti, all of JSOC has Sig guns alongside 416s, Ukrainian SBU use MCX’s, Danish Frogmen run MCX’s, etc. And that’s just SOF, UK CTSFOs, Dutch DSI, and many other elite police and federal units use Sig MCX’s
Lmt is not what they once were. QC is out the window. Bill at Geissele and DD are holding their quality (on hard parts) i also happily run an MCX Myself and sig tango 6t lpvo on 3 rifles. Plus side are is m17/18 and back up 365. Im a fan but no a fanboy.
Do you think these are seconds or otherwise rejected for military use for any reason? My trust with Sig waned as I was used as a free beta tester with several new Sig products that didn't work properly.
@@ChrisJames-i1r there’s no reason to think these are seconds. The Sig Virtus (which these are based on) has been out for quite a while and is a proven platform
seems like that little piece at the back of the recoil springs is upside-down. It has a bevel on the upper rear face which has no purpose, but if it was flipped the bevel would allow you to close the upper without having to manually press that piece in also the fatter handguard only has m-lok at 3, 6 and 9 while the skinny one has m-lok at 1:30, 3, 4:30, 6 7:30, 9 and 10:30
@@mathewfitzpatrick5645 there’s a maximum torque for a given bolt type, but the manufacturer torque spec doesn’t always reflect this. Given that the screw is being tightened against a soft, plastic buffer it does not need to be as tight as if it were joining two metal components.
@@TheTeeWorldsfreak I don’t think the M14 is a great example since there were multiple programs (EBR, MK14, EMR) that put the M14 back into service after it was replaced by the M16. They had warehouses full of M14’s, it made sense to do something with them 🤷♂️
As someone that got one before they ever made these available, mainly because our shop gets cool shit no one has, these are pretty neat aside from the can. When we got our upper, they gave us the whole kit minus the can for some reason, so we used a Thunderbeast Dominus and modified the shroud for it. It ran like a champ and was a good time. That being said, we did test it with the Sig suppressor after they decided to do their limited commercial release, and it was significantly worse.
@@YEARCITY the SURG predates the URGI (2016 vs 2018), but is objectively an improvement over the Block 1/2 given that it’s optimized for M855A1 and MK318 Mod 0/1.
@ My biggest issue is weight, but yeah extra durability with 855a1 makes sense but I didn’t know 318 was hot sense most of my guns don’t tend to shoot any differently with it.
@@Shepherd3066 it’s pricey for sure, though if you add up the cost to buy a similar MCX Upper + an SLX556 suppressor + AR lower conversion parts + an extra handguard it’s pretty close to the cost of the SURG kit
@ true doing the math it all evens out, still cool and I love how sig actually releases contract stuff or clones of contract stuff really commendable in the firearms space, and more importantly to cloners.
@@Shepherd3066 yep, guys will call it a cash grab, but I appreciate that Sig doesn’t keep the cool stuff for military and LE only. Colt, FN and HK should take notes
So weird how the upper looks just like a Spear LT while actually being a Virtus. Not just the colors, but also the lightening cuts and stuff. That said, the bolt being based on the Virtus explains why it's a bit fussy with AR-15 triggers.
I'd assume they were using a Virtus pattern since they're a bit more...robust. The heavier barrel profile specifically. The spring endplate is odd though? Why make the stock adapter section shorter and replace it with a thicker endplate? Has to be some reason, right?
Seems like it's because the upper won't properly close on the mil-spec lower otherwise. A longer stock adapter tail would probably overhang into the arc of the rear edge of the upper as it pivots around the front pin.
@@BlackBladeGroM Possible? I only ask because my Virtus' conversion kit's stock adapter extends a bit farther over the buffer tube interface of the milspec lower, so there's no need for the thicker spring plate and it looks 'cleaner.' Talking about 13:07 on.
does the suppressor, without the shroud, tuck into the handguard behind the heat shield... seems to me the fat handguard is for a shorter barrel to be used LVAW style..which would be quite awesome
@@jamesslater6301 if you’re registering the lower that you’re putting the SURG on as an SBR, then yes Form 1. If you’re buying a factory SBR lower then it would be a Form 4.
Our military is going to have another mishap like they did when we first went to the desert. We only had black guns and m81, we’ve since completely left the desert and here they are ordering more desert color guns
@@SwiftyLittleMan most suppressor wraps didn’t survive the required courses of fire, and trapped too much heat in the can leading to premature baffle erosion and a decrease in decibel reduction. They’re fine for most applications but in this case a metal shroud was pretty much necessary
@ ah true that makes more sense, that may be the case but I’m surprised they even went with the shroud idea, that should’ve already been seen as a predictable waste of material and effort, seems like a massive snag zone. Not to mention I could imagine either 1) most shooters wouldn’t care to remove the can hot or not at any point 2) if they had to remove it they would just let it cooldown or find something thick enough to wrap it and detach it with 🤷♂️ idk but hey it’s SOCOM, what they say, flies
@mikeff15 I think thr Geisseles are only for the 6 Arc guns. Noveske won over Geissele for the 5.56 guns, but you still see guys running 14.5 Geissele uppers on Noveske lowers.
@@Randomdude556 the noveske contract didn’t cover 14.5 guns. DEV bought Geissele for that after Geissele got the ARC contract. Rumor is that they will switch to Geissele 11.5 uppers because Noveske’s aren’t holding up well. Who knew SS barrels won’t hold up to work up cycles.
@@maximusjoseppi5904 it’s the same kit being received by socom, meaning it will function with a milspec FCG and auto sear. You will have to install the PMM sear trip kit though
@InferiorRifles oh right, makes sense. Didn't know if they would give us a neutered bolt. I got a full 416 police trade in kit with the upper and all lower parts except the bare receiver and auto sear. Would be interesting to compare them
@@dvazquez5652 Most of the “in the wild” sightings I’ve seen thus far are of AFSOC using the SURG. Technically all of SOCOM should have access to them though
They're single-handedly slowing down firearms development by not giving any consideration to other superior designs and technologies. Not going with a polymer hybrid case is mind-blowing.
@@daniil4953 Polymer steel hybrid cases have already been proven to function with very high PSI, are 30% lighter, and reduce weapon overheating by 75%. These rounds are also gun agnostic. They could use polymer ammo with the same Sig weapon.
@@daniil4953 Textron's offering was already proven as it was part of an older project that had a decade of implementation. Sig was chosen under the claim that the new round would output 30% more energy than 308 to penetrate III armor. So far they have not delivered on that claim. Until this is accomplished, Textron should have been the winner as they made ammo perform the same as 5.56 but lighter, cheaper, and with a massively longer part lifespan which naturally would reduce equipment failure rate.
@@weasle2904 he’s talking about the piece of crap bullpup gun that was attached to the polymer case in the contract. The gun itself is what ruined that.
@@roguebourgault not as you see it here. The suppressor is a Sig SLX556 Direct Thread Suppressor which is commercially available, but is not compatible with the heat shield unless it comes with a SURG kit
@@DC-bk6epit indeed gets hot, but not nearly as hot as the suppressor itself. It’s also thin titanium with a lot of surface area, so it cools off very quickly. It’s more useful than people give it credit for
The Paramount show, " Lioness" 2nd season, the main characters are using suppressed MCX type weapons. TBH I'm unable to tell the difference from a MCX, Spear Lite, or the SURG. A Sig style MCX is used on the show. It was the butt-stock that I recognized.
Part number for the M4A1 is 12972700, the P/N you have is wrong, unless it’s the OEM P/N, but the govt doesn’t use that, but feel free to ignore this, I’m just a govt weapons autist lol
You’re correct, I copied the data on mine from an FN Collector’s series m4a1 label not realizing they used their own part number, I ordered a new label but it didn’t get here in time for the video. Thanks for watching 👍
Only $4600 for a "military grade" upper/can combo?! All the true Siggers are going to buy these immediately! Well atleast after they all get bought up and re-sold by a few vendors for $6400... 😂👍
@@dSlayer6160 the article I linked in the description goes into further detail, but long story short SOCOM wanted a suppressed 556 platform with a longer service life than the MK18, while also reducing operator exposure to toxic fumes from the ejection port. Basically (from SOCOM’s perspective) it improves on the shortcomings of older suppressed platforms.
@InferiorRifles Yeah but they could've just picked a low back pressure can for the URGI and that might've done just as good a job, but then again that's military procurement for you
@dSlayer6160 keep in mind that this program started with SOCOM back in 2016, prior to the URGI’s adoption by USASOC in 2018. This also predates flow-through suppressors being commonplace. The success of the URGI is likely one reason that the SURG hasn’t seen widespread use though, since it took several years for it to come to fruition
@@PPB_Army neither the standard MCX or the Rattler comes with an SLX556 suppressor ($1500), a second handguard ($250), or a titanium suppressor shroud.
Man, as a cloner, this stuff keeps getting uglier. I remember doing my first Block 1, then a PR, then getting into mk18s and 416s, and then came the LVAW stuff which was still cool. Now it just looks like goofy commercial gear and the allure for me is.... gone?
I find that a lot of people prefer the stuff that was cool when they were still new-ish to the hobby. I personally prefer Block II rifles over the URGI since I got into cloning around 2010, but that’s just based on aesthetics. We’re all getting old and cranky I guess
@@InferiorRifles I agree with you, as much as I want to believe we are objectively correct. I feel nothing when I look at the URGI, or any any of the modern sig offerings. You have to admit, everything pre-URGI had a certain "style" to it. The typical block stuff, the recce 416s, the CAG stuff, the mk12s, etc. I found myself craving another l119a1 clone the other day. They look more technical and less "sig" esque (gaudy?). I find it hard to articulate this specific feeling. But after all, I guess we are just old and cranky.
This is the EXACT same way that we ended up getting the mk18 was socom wanting a upper receiver group small enough to shoot out of a humvee window while still firing a rifle round
Just no reason for this to be so expensive...it's like they punish the mil and civ market for having to even compete LOL Its just the way it is as they have to get their ROI.
@@GeorgeCowsert you’ve got it backwards; SOCOM came up with the SURG solicitation, Sig and the other competitors made a product to meet their requirements. It’s not as if Sig is just making random guns and forcing the military to buy them lol
@InferiorRifles While that is correct, there's also the fact that SIG has won so many military contracts and has been pretty piss-poor on the civilian side. That is not healthy. It shows that there is a clear bias, if not outright bribery, and has given SIG the ability to basically do whatever they want so long as they meet the army's requests. Case in point: The Virtus exists. There is no reason for the SURG to be a separate product entirely. Meanwhile, Brownells' BRN180 does exactly what the Virtus does and for a far more effective cost. SIG is going to die if they don't fix their mindset.
@ wait until you learn about Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, and every other large company that makes things for the military. Sig is a small fry in the grand scheme of things. As for the SURG “not needing to exist because the Virtus exists”, that makes zero sense. Sig tweaked the existing Virtus design to meet SOCOMs requirements. The SURG is not a competitor to the Virtus, it’s part of the Virtus lineup. A part that landed a 29 million dollar contract, meaning Sig isn’t going anywhere anytime soon.
@@InferiorRifles I already hate Boeing and Lockheed Martin for those same reasons. As for Sig's contract, Colt thought the exact same thing when life was sweet for them. Now they're a shadow of their former selves.
@@GeorgeCowsert I fail to see how Sig has been “piss poor” on the civilian market. In just a few years they’ve secured the #2 spot behind Glock in commercial handgun sales with the P320 and P365. They’re also one of the few companies willing to sell civilians the exact same products as the military, such as the SURG kit. They regularly sell contract overrun products alongside their commercial offerings, which cover a wide price range and a wide range of applications. They’re not making the same mistakes that Colt made in any sense. Like it or not, Sig is *killing* it on the commercial market as well as military and law enforcement.
Lmao Had to do it over three times until Sig could get something close enough to what they wanted so they could give them a contract. Funny how that works
You know how darpa put out a contract to overhaul nvgs because of operators necks getting wriggity wrecked over time? Yeah, the front heavy weight of this rifle just undid that to the future operator's spine lol
For future videos, please give the "opening" of the box and then take everything out of its packaging. Then assemble it... no one wants to watch you struggle and listen to the sound of it
@@Chubbychimppimp the SURG kit costs roughly the same as a Geissele 11.5’’ AR15 with a Surefire RC3 suppressor. It’s expensive, but it’s in line with comparable products.
![The M4 vs M7 Sig Spear NGSW [feat. GBRS Group]](/img/n.gif)
Carolina laser works is top notch
"They wanted a specific color, Coyote 498"... me staring at a rifle that's 50 shades of FDE.
@@CJSOCMD “close enough for government work”
Sig is smoking some good stuff to charge 4k for an upper receiver group and a can.
Well there a real battle rifle. Not a gun that looks like a battle rifle. Like S&W mossberg Something from Palmetto State Armory would fall apart on the first day
Yep
And people pay it
@@mikesuch9021and suckers like you eat it up 😂
@@HedgeMaster26 try buying a 416 upper without the can 🤣
If it was made for socom, you're paying government fu prices. Everything sig is over priced
I’ll take 6 please.
Crazy how Sig keeps winning those contracts, huh.
Trijicon must feel wild right now
Yeah, funny.
Somebody must have a sore jaw. And a sore ass…
SIG on their way to make guns the Army actually wants and people are shocked when the Army buys them
If you owned a real Sig Sauer rifles you would know
I have the LaRue contender for this SURG contract. love it and it cost half what this Sig does. and it’s LaRue…
Congrats
Can't argue with Larue quality. And the name value is an added bonus. 🤙🏻
Nice. It’s not what the military wanted though.
Haha @@devendoffing7004
You say and it’s LaRue as if that somehow means that LaRue isn’t also overpriced crap 😂
Larue tactical had these for sale a few years back i wish i had bought one back then
Appreciate you doing this follow up video explaining it, the asmr one was cool but you definitely answered a few questions I had after watching it 🤘🏻
"Pulling them off the same assembly line"
Eh idk it's sig we're talking about. Sounds like they're finding blems or out of spec models and just turning them around on the civilian market.
@@Led.... if you have a source to back that up I’d be very interested to see it.
The handguards were for ergonomics of different guys wanting different sizes. It was part of thr statement of work
Youre telling me LMT who provides rifles for tier 1 sof all over the world couldn't beat out sig trash for a urg!? 😂
URGI will always be king in my mind. Im rine with my Sig rigs but im grabbing bendy bills URGI if im needing to stay undeaded.
You realize Sig provides rifles to Tier 1 SOF all over the world too right? JTF-2 was seen with them in Haiti, all of JSOC has Sig guns alongside 416s, Ukrainian SBU use MCX’s, Danish Frogmen run MCX’s, etc.
And that’s just SOF, UK CTSFOs, Dutch DSI, and many other elite police and federal units use Sig MCX’s
@ you realize how many more years LMT has done this? and how many more contracts?
@ the URGI's are legit i got to try one out a while back they're great
Lmt is not what they once were. QC is out the window. Bill at Geissele and DD are holding their quality (on hard parts) i also happily run an MCX Myself and sig tango 6t lpvo on 3 rifles. Plus side are is m17/18 and back up 365. Im a fan but no a fanboy.
Do you think these are seconds or otherwise rejected for military use for any reason? My trust with Sig waned as I was used as a free beta tester with several new Sig products that didn't work properly.
@@ChrisJames-i1r there’s no reason to think these are seconds. The Sig Virtus (which these are based on) has been out for quite a while and is a proven platform
What's really crazy is the United States doesn't need any of this now. But I'm sure glad they put the FN 249 out for the ffl sot civilian Market
lol you dont order rifles when you need them, you buy them when you don't so you have them when you do.
seems like that little piece at the back of the recoil springs is upside-down. It has a bevel on the upper rear face which has no purpose, but if it was flipped the bevel would allow you to close the upper without having to manually press that piece in
also the fatter handguard only has m-lok at 3, 6 and 9 while the skinny one has m-lok at 1:30, 3, 4:30, 6 7:30, 9 and 10:30
@@liquidwombat it’s in the correct orientation; the bevel is to prevent the charging handle from catching on it when returning forward
There is a standard torque spec dependant on the thread and grade of bolt.
@@mathewfitzpatrick5645 there’s a maximum torque for a given bolt type, but the manufacturer torque spec doesn’t always reflect this.
Given that the screw is being tightened against a soft, plastic buffer it does not need to be as tight as if it were joining two metal components.
Goddamn, SIG really sucked someone's balls to get all these contracts. Hopefully goes the way of the SCAR L.
Given that the taxpayers paid $49 million for this gun, I hope it gets used. A lot.
Absolutely, this shit sucks lol. Lots of people that preach about fiscal responsibility seem to forget about all the military’s wasteful spending…
@@InferiorRiflesjust like the M14?
probably not sucking balls but briding
@@TheTeeWorldsfreak I don’t think the M14 is a great example since there were multiple programs (EBR, MK14, EMR) that put the M14 back into service after it was replaced by the M16. They had warehouses full of M14’s, it made sense to do something with them 🤷♂️
As someone that got one before they ever made these available, mainly because our shop gets cool shit no one has, these are pretty neat aside from the can. When we got our upper, they gave us the whole kit minus the can for some reason, so we used a Thunderbeast Dominus and modified the shroud for it. It ran like a champ and was a good time.
That being said, we did test it with the Sig suppressor after they decided to do their limited commercial release, and it was significantly worse.
Sounds like 49Million for a item that isn't necessary, or even an improvement over a URGI shorty or previous block 1 or 2 shorty uppers.
@@YEARCITY the SURG predates the URGI (2016 vs 2018), but is objectively an improvement over the Block 1/2 given that it’s optimized for M855A1 and MK318 Mod 0/1.
@ My biggest issue is weight, but yeah extra durability with 855a1 makes sense but I didn’t know 318 was hot sense most of my guns don’t tend to shoot any differently with it.
very cool to be running something similar to a current duty rifle, but man is that price not worth it
What does SIG know or have on the US government?
How are they getting every contract?
“Somewhat” cost prohibitive lol 😂 it’s pretty cool though
@@Shepherd3066 it’s pricey for sure, though if you add up the cost to buy a similar MCX Upper + an SLX556 suppressor + AR lower conversion parts + an extra handguard it’s pretty close to the cost of the SURG kit
@ true doing the math it all evens out, still cool and I love how sig actually releases contract stuff or clones of contract stuff really commendable in the firearms space, and more importantly to cloners.
@@Shepherd3066 yep, guys will call it a cash grab, but I appreciate that Sig doesn’t keep the cool stuff for military and LE only. Colt, FN and HK should take notes
@ exactly
@@InferiorRiflesagreed
Nice kit, I’ve been considering purchasing one for my collection as well.
Would love to see that unshrouded/narrow set up
@@sweatychaw3105 I show it in this video- th-cam.com/video/wGNew2mu0YI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=5PCafCy2PUV9y_tK
Is the suppressor should actually useful in your opinion?
So weird how the upper looks just like a Spear LT while actually being a Virtus. Not just the colors, but also the lightening cuts and stuff. That said, the bolt being based on the Virtus explains why it's a bit fussy with AR-15 triggers.
I'd assume they were using a Virtus pattern since they're a bit more...robust. The heavier barrel profile specifically.
The spring endplate is odd though? Why make the stock adapter section shorter and replace it with a thicker endplate? Has to be some reason, right?
Seems like it's because the upper won't properly close on the mil-spec lower otherwise. A longer stock adapter tail would probably overhang into the arc of the rear edge of the upper as it pivots around the front pin.
@@BlackBladeGroM Possible? I only ask because my Virtus' conversion kit's stock adapter extends a bit farther over the buffer tube interface of the milspec lower, so there's no need for the thicker spring plate and it looks 'cleaner.' Talking about 13:07 on.
does the suppressor, without the shroud, tuck into the handguard behind the heat shield... seems to me the fat handguard is for a shorter barrel to be used LVAW style..which would be quite awesome
The heat shield encloses around the barrel at the front of the handguard, so no
@@InferiorRifles thanks for reply
Not a T25 or T30 torx that everyone has, but a specific odd ball T27... sounds about rite.
0:49 GOD'z Damn! That is some💲 socom bed I like that shit.
Can this take a 300BLK barrel? I understand that probably defeats the use of the suppressor lol
It's sweet! Not sure if its worth the price though. Great for a collection though. Piece of history.
pardon me sir, but where did you find a g latch for sale?
@@frogchaser www.provenoutfitters.com/firing-pin-latch-mcx-geissele
Very interesting upper, the Spear SBR is on my list for when I turn 21, this would be cool but i dont think i could drop 4 grand on just the upper
Awesome 👌
Killer looking rifle with the bee hive 🐝
Aside from the folding stock, are they any advantages of running this instead of a 10.3 or 11.5 suppressed AR that justify the extra cost for SOCOM ?
Just quick question would you need to fill out atf form 1 to SBR this item ?
@@jamesslater6301 if you’re registering the lower that you’re putting the SURG on as an SBR, then yes Form 1. If you’re buying a factory SBR lower then it would be a Form 4.
You literally have to Form 1 ANY SBR. And they say there aren’t dumb questions 😂
The bumper housing should be at 25ft-lbf and the shoulder screw should be at 70in-lbf
Next upgrade is a M4 upper and its perfect ! PROGRESS
How’s the balance of the gun with that minimalist stock compared to the skeletonized stock the standard spear-LT SBRs come with?
@@jp71889 still slightly front-heavy, but it’s not an overly heavy gun to begin with
Our military is going to have another mishap like they did when we first went to the desert. We only had black guns and m81, we’ve since completely left the desert and here they are ordering more desert color guns
Sig must have the same marketing team as H&K.
wouuld you be able to actually attach anything to that mlok at the front? looks like the heat shield in the handguard is blocking them
@@CharlieFoxtrot128 you can, there’s space between the heat shield and the Mlok slots
Well, this rifle is prominent on the lioness TV show so I'll guess sales will skyrocket.
I think SOCOM forgot that fiberglass suppressor wraps exist
@@SwiftyLittleMan most suppressor wraps didn’t survive the required courses of fire, and trapped too much heat in the can leading to premature baffle erosion and a decrease in decibel reduction. They’re fine for most applications but in this case a metal shroud was pretty much necessary
@ ah true that makes more sense, that may be the case but I’m surprised they even went with the shroud idea, that should’ve already been seen as a predictable waste of material and effort, seems like a massive snag zone. Not to mention I could imagine either 1) most shooters wouldn’t care to remove the can hot or not at any point 2) if they had to remove it they would just let it cooldown or find something thick enough to wrap it and detach it with 🤷♂️ idk but hey it’s SOCOM, what they say, flies
So this is replacing the Hk 416?
@@justclowninaround2606 I don’t believe I said that in the video.
416 was replaced years ago with Geisseles and Noveskes.
@@Randomdude556 Noveske for DEV, which the contract has expired and they are looking at Geisseles. CAG went with the SPEAR Lt. So half right.
@mikeff15 I think thr Geisseles are only for the 6 Arc guns. Noveske won over Geissele for the 5.56 guns, but you still see guys running 14.5 Geissele uppers on Noveske lowers.
@@Randomdude556 the noveske contract didn’t cover 14.5 guns. DEV bought Geissele for that after Geissele got the ARC contract. Rumor is that they will switch to Geissele 11.5 uppers because Noveske’s aren’t holding up well. Who knew SS barrels won’t hold up to work up cycles.
this would be cool for my m16a1 lower oO wonder if it would trip an auto sear
@@maximusjoseppi5904 it’s the same kit being received by socom, meaning it will function with a milspec FCG and auto sear. You will have to install the PMM sear trip kit though
@InferiorRifles oh right, makes sense. Didn't know if they would give us a neutered bolt.
I got a full 416 police trade in kit with the upper and all lower parts except the bare receiver and auto sear.
Would be interesting to compare them
Why can't anyone agree on what colour FDE is supposed to be?
Which SOF unit is using SURG the most? AFSOC? NSW? USASOC?
@@dvazquez5652 Most of the “in the wild” sightings I’ve seen thus far are of AFSOC using the SURG. Technically all of SOCOM should have access to them though
Yea it’s 4100 but it comes with a can, two hand guards and a stock. Not too bad
Like the idea of a suppressed upper drop in. Not a SIG fan. The 320 is mehh with a side of lawsuits for safety issues.
That explained the price tag.
Now I have to buy another upper 😭 I just finished my URGI clone last year…
SIG has somebody in the sheets for sure! What the hell...LOL contract after contract...since 2016! LOL Why even try...
They're single-handedly slowing down firearms development by not giving any consideration to other superior designs and technologies. Not going with a polymer hybrid case is mind-blowing.
@@weasle2904 rifle that went with said cartridge would 100% not work out for US army I promise you that
@@daniil4953 Polymer steel hybrid cases have already been proven to function with very high PSI, are 30% lighter, and reduce weapon overheating by 75%.
These rounds are also gun agnostic. They could use polymer ammo with the same Sig weapon.
@@daniil4953 Textron's offering was already proven as it was part of an older project that had a decade of implementation. Sig was chosen under the claim that the new round would output 30% more energy than 308 to penetrate III armor. So far they have not delivered on that claim. Until this is accomplished, Textron should have been the winner as they made ammo perform the same as 5.56 but lighter, cheaper, and with a massively longer part lifespan which naturally would reduce equipment failure rate.
@@weasle2904 he’s talking about the piece of crap bullpup gun that was attached to the polymer case in the contract. The gun itself is what ruined that.
Do they just sell the can???
@@roguebourgault not as you see it here. The suppressor is a Sig SLX556 Direct Thread Suppressor which is commercially available, but is not compatible with the heat shield unless it comes with a SURG kit
@@InferiorRifles Damn, that cage is a damn good idea for people with SBRs.
@@roguebourgaultnot really. The cage still gets blazing hot. There are much better options than a metal cage.
@@DC-bk6epit indeed gets hot, but not nearly as hot as the suppressor itself. It’s also thin titanium with a lot of surface area, so it cools off very quickly. It’s more useful than people give it credit for
@ a suppressor cover will do it better at a way cheaper price. Like the liberty defense ones or burn proof gear.
Bet that general is really enjoying his retirement job at sig
Why are they selling these but not CSAWs lol
@@medieval_flail the SURG has been out a lot longer, the CSAW is still very much in the “experimental” phase
The Paramount show, " Lioness" 2nd season, the main characters are using suppressed MCX type weapons. TBH I'm unable to tell the difference from a MCX, Spear Lite, or the SURG. A Sig style MCX is used on the show. It was the butt-stock that I recognized.
I’m now on the hunt for a G latch lol
@@josephpratt8774 www.provenoutfitters.com/firing-pin-latch-mcx-geissele
Official paper sticker of SOcom
This is so cool. Not 4k worth though. Sig is high as an eagle.
Looks like the larue suurg even with that honeycomb suppressor guard that is a patented thing from LaRue they should sue hey that rhymes
Good stuff, man!
Part number for the M4A1 is 12972700, the P/N you have is wrong, unless it’s the OEM P/N, but the govt doesn’t use that, but feel free to ignore this, I’m just a govt weapons autist lol
You’re correct, I copied the data on mine from an FN Collector’s series m4a1 label not realizing they used their own part number, I ordered a new label but it didn’t get here in time for the video. Thanks for watching 👍
Nice but wow that price is ridiculous
German torque aka gutten tite
Only $4600 for a "military grade" upper/can combo?! All the true Siggers are going to buy these immediately! Well atleast after they all get bought up and re-sold by a few vendors for $6400... 😂👍
Well…it looks cool.
And that is the sole important feature……..
Not sure I fet the point of SURG, but great video showing what it is
@@dSlayer6160 the article I linked in the description goes into further detail, but long story short SOCOM wanted a suppressed 556 platform with a longer service life than the MK18, while also reducing operator exposure to toxic fumes from the ejection port. Basically (from SOCOM’s perspective) it improves on the shortcomings of older suppressed platforms.
@InferiorRifles Yeah but they could've just picked a low back pressure can for the URGI and that might've done just as good a job, but then again that's military procurement for you
@dSlayer6160 keep in mind that this program started with SOCOM back in 2016, prior to the URGI’s adoption by USASOC in 2018. This also predates flow-through suppressors being commonplace. The success of the URGI is likely one reason that the SURG hasn’t seen widespread use though, since it took several years for it to come to fruition
@@InferiorRifles Military procurement just can't keep pace with the advancement of firearms tech led by the civilian market...gotta love it
@ yep, it’s a common theme here. By the time the military warms up to a new technology it’s already outdated on the commercial market
MCX costs $1900 before tax
Rattler costs $2400 before tax
I don't need to feel $4000 special when sending hate downrange
@@PPB_Army neither the standard MCX or the Rattler comes with an SLX556 suppressor ($1500), a second handguard ($250), or a titanium suppressor shroud.
Yes the civilians could beat the military as long as they did it right
Larue did it first, but lost the contract.
Corruption, sig has some friends on the govmt.
Man, as a cloner, this stuff keeps getting uglier. I remember doing my first Block 1, then a PR, then getting into mk18s and 416s, and then came the LVAW stuff which was still cool. Now it just looks like goofy commercial gear and the allure for me is.... gone?
I find that a lot of people prefer the stuff that was cool when they were still new-ish to the hobby. I personally prefer Block II rifles over the URGI since I got into cloning around 2010, but that’s just based on aesthetics. We’re all getting old and cranky I guess
@@InferiorRifles I agree with you, as much as I want to believe we are objectively correct. I feel nothing when I look at the URGI, or any any of the modern sig offerings. You have to admit, everything pre-URGI had a certain "style" to it. The typical block stuff, the recce 416s, the CAG stuff, the mk12s, etc. I found myself craving another l119a1 clone the other day. They look more technical and less "sig" esque (gaudy?). I find it hard to articulate this specific feeling. But after all, I guess we are just old and cranky.
This is the EXACT same way that we ended up getting the mk18 was socom wanting a upper receiver group small enough to shoot out of a humvee window while still firing a rifle round
No one wants a fishnet over their suppressor😂😂
@@Hiddencomment007 SOCOM did 🤷♂️
And doesn't work for shit. Gets taken off regularly as it also gets caught up on everything
@@chaoticcaninejbstay mad poor
@@bobbyboy6614 poor?
@@chaoticcaninejbI have herpes.
they stole that adapter from psa jakl lol
@@mehmedii7594 I didn’t realize the PSA jakl came out in 2018 lol
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Just no reason for this to be so expensive...it's like they punish the mil and civ market for having to even compete LOL Its just the way it is as they have to get their ROI.
That's a bad @$$ system but it ain't no $4,700 bad. Too rich for my blood
I am a hater, but I kinda like it
SIG is going full-Colt. Just throwing random BS at the military with no thought for what happens if/when the military gets bored of working with them.
@@GeorgeCowsert you’ve got it backwards; SOCOM came up with the SURG solicitation, Sig and the other competitors made a product to meet their requirements. It’s not as if Sig is just making random guns and forcing the military to buy them lol
@InferiorRifles While that is correct, there's also the fact that SIG has won so many military contracts and has been pretty piss-poor on the civilian side.
That is not healthy. It shows that there is a clear bias, if not outright bribery, and has given SIG the ability to basically do whatever they want so long as they meet the army's requests.
Case in point: The Virtus exists. There is no reason for the SURG to be a separate product entirely.
Meanwhile, Brownells' BRN180 does exactly what the Virtus does and for a far more effective cost.
SIG is going to die if they don't fix their mindset.
@ wait until you learn about Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, and every other large company that makes things for the military. Sig is a small fry in the grand scheme of things.
As for the SURG “not needing to exist because the Virtus exists”, that makes zero sense. Sig tweaked the existing Virtus design to meet SOCOMs requirements. The SURG is not a competitor to the Virtus, it’s part of the Virtus lineup. A part that landed a 29 million dollar contract, meaning Sig isn’t going anywhere anytime soon.
@@InferiorRifles I already hate Boeing and Lockheed Martin for those same reasons.
As for Sig's contract, Colt thought the exact same thing when life was sweet for them. Now they're a shadow of their former selves.
@@GeorgeCowsert I fail to see how Sig has been “piss poor” on the civilian market. In just a few years they’ve secured the #2 spot behind Glock in commercial handgun sales with the P320 and P365. They’re also one of the few companies willing to sell civilians the exact same products as the military, such as the SURG kit. They regularly sell contract overrun products alongside their commercial offerings, which cover a wide price range and a wide range of applications. They’re not making the same mistakes that Colt made in any sense. Like it or not, Sig is *killing* it on the commercial market as well as military and law enforcement.
Another epic waste of money by the US Army.
Charging handle still at the rear 🤨....For $4k? Ok whatever.
4k, lol
Lmao
Had to do it over three times until Sig could get something close enough to what they wanted so they could give them a contract.
Funny how that works
You know how darpa put out a contract to overhaul nvgs because of operators necks getting wriggity wrecked over time? Yeah, the front heavy weight of this rifle just undid that to the future operator's spine lol
No operator will run that crap
Nice tutorial but anyone spe ing this much on this upper has built 20 ARs guys that cant take an AR lower apart dont buy shit like this .
@@jonsingleton203 you’d be surprised 🤷♂️
Why would I ever want that
For future videos, please give the "opening" of the box and then take everything out of its packaging. Then assemble it... no one wants to watch you struggle and listen to the sound of it
@@xWakatoshi what an odd thing to complain about
@@InferiorRiflesBut he's not wrong. You sound like a dump truck with a vacuum leak.
It hasn't gotten much attention because of the stupid tax stamp and the stupid price.
I just want a standard 16in barrel version without a suppressor
This is a bunch of overpriced nonsense, still love the sig products i have but this is just flat out stupidity
@@Chubbychimppimp the SURG kit costs roughly the same as a Geissele 11.5’’ AR15 with a Surefire RC3 suppressor. It’s expensive, but it’s in line with comparable products.
Where did you get your "g" latch from?