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- A Runescape player spent over $60 000 on a lootbox system that caused the UK parliament to step in.
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I wanna preface that I think gambling in my opinion is okay, the problem is taking advantage of people who don't have self control. At the end of the day you're an adult and you can do whatever you want with your money but it becomes a problem when there is almost zero regulations to control these gacha systems and companies can milk players dry without any consequences.
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if grown adults cant manage their own self control thats on them
@@jake9107 If I lay a bear trap in front of your house door, and you get your legs broken, am I partly to blame for this? or its entirely your self control?
I don't see the difference here.
Not to even mention that its not all grown adults playing runescape.
I can't get my head around why someone would defend unregulated online gambling.
@@jake9107 there are actually a lot of genetic factors that make people extremely susceptible to addiction and gambling including disorders (like ADHD) that a person cannot control. So no I don't think putting blame on individuals is ok. I cannot stop having ADHD, but greedy assholes can stop taking advantage of it
entirely your self control. that is what life is about. @@thierry1026
Lol the part about the top 7 directors earning as much as the other 600 jagex employees put together is actually disgusting
You obviously don't understand how a company works
@@dirtymike69420 Yes he does and finds it disgusting?
That’s not an anomaly all companies that go beyond a small business end up this way
How most large companies work. Amazons Jeff Bezos made how many 10s of billions last year??? Thats got to be 50,000+ of his workers average yearly. Capitalism baby
@@WellOkIGuessYouGotMe Maybe thats a problem?
There is a guy who spent 200k usd on Diablo immortal then complained he couldn’t do any pvp because he couldn’t get into the lobbies because the power scale system (resonance) couldn’t find anyone in the same league as him, so he went onto TH-cam to complain (note this wasn’t the first game he spent stupid levels of cash on)
How tf did that ginger f even get 200k usd Jesus christ
His clan was also blocked from pvp right?
@@miciso666 yeah but only because the guy being clan leader he couldn’t do any matchmaking for clan fights
he said you have to buy cosmetics in diablo 4 to compete though so i dont get why hes saying you have to spend 120 on diablo 4 haha
Thought he was going in on 'A Friend' when he did fastest max on RS3, or ODA with his degenerate staking.
I personally couldnt blame the buisness. Everyone would do the same, you saw the chart with the profits. We have to blame the players, theyre the problem. We would all do the the same if we were jagex.
Good job saying the verse right! So many people say for money, when it is for the LOVE of money. Love the video!
Man RS3 is so sad. 95% of the time I play osrs, but I still like to log on to my rs3 account every now and again. There's so much cool stuff in that version of runescape, but the mtx is kinda like a shitty dark cloud that hangs over everything. Seeing other players with gear that comes from the treasure hunter chests, seeing all the mtx ads every time you log in, reading about mtx plans in every update blog... It kinda kills the magic for me.
One good thing about it is it's a great tale of caution for osrs. If you give Jagex an inch on the mtx front, they'll take a mile, and before you know it 90% of the updates are just designed to get you to buy mtx. I don't care if it starts as just cosmetics, the minute they push any mtx beyond bonds into the game is the minute I quit. There's plenty of other games out there.
"it kills the magic for me" is a far cry from "it's absolute dogshit"
The game is better than osrs by a lot. There are just also optional micro transactions. If you feel like they aren't optional, then hecking go outside that isn't Jagex's fault because they are extremely optional. Rs is ostensibly a single player non competitive game. What you're mad about is the quest reward system dude
The outfits can be gotten from th (read as: quest rewards) but you can also earn them all individually. There are like 3 things in th that aren't cosmetic which you also can't trade, and they are obscenely rare and relatively low impact
RS3 is great for one thing. Get an account to the point where you can afk GWD2 bosses (takes like a month of afking and stuff) then afk at gwd2 for gp. After a few months of afking the boss of your choice buy a bunch of bonds and use them to pay for your osrs membership for 2-3 years.
Ironman cuts out a lot of the bullshit, thank god for that or I wouldnt have experienced the good parts of RS3.
@@aabrightlove The game absolutely isn't better than OSRS, statistics prove that wrong. I grant the story lines are great but the game itself is collapsing.
@@aarons6935 hahaha cope harder lol something being more popular doesn't make it inherently better. Is Taylor Swift better than Beethoven? Who cares what you think, your opinion doesn't matter. The same is true for osrs v RS3.
Your game has ONE thing that RS3 doesn't: ELITISM. and you've got it in droves.
That's why your game is less fun and will never be as fun as rs3. Because the people who play it are delusional sweatbeards who think digital "accomplishments" ought not be tainted by the presence of adults with time-consuming jobs.
I remember back in the old days at clan wars there was a guy who would hang around max combat and top gear. I think his username was B E 5 T or something along those lines I heard he downsized his house to buy rsgp. Unsure if it’s true or if anyone else heard similar. Mind you this is going back 13-14 years ago..
RS3 isn't bad, the MTX is. As someone who plays both games just play ironman to bypass it. Still BS but it can be a good experience
I agree! I tried out RS3 ironman last year and it was actually quite enjoyable experience if you're into that sort of gameplay. OSRS Will always be #1 for me but if you want to try out different type of Runescape, I would recommend RS3 ironman.
@@KriibusRS Honestly, one of the biggest reasons i play RS3 over OSRS is the problems with false bans. There is no such problem in RS3, and hopefully OSRS will get there too eventually.
@@Soren_Pedersen The reason it's not a problem in RS3 is because the scaling is so much higher in OSRS. You have thousands of appeals every single day compared to much less in RS3 and there is not a single system in place that can detect bots from real players with 100% accuracy and even if you have 99,99% accuracy which for the most part Jagex does, you will still get on average few dozen false reports per day and that's where human error comes into play when few slip through the cracks. It's not a perfect world but I'm sure Jagex is aware of this and are trying to find a permanent solution
@@KriibusRS While that is true, it doesn't make the problem any better atm..
@@KriibusRSthat's because 90% of the "players" in OSRS are bots trying to ban evade. OSRS is an extremely dead game, and you're in denial. Rs3 is not popular but at least most of the players are actually humans
"Jagex your game put us in doubt"
"We do not care"
those top 7 directors literally are the 7deadly sins lmaoo
The duke pet has to be the most attractive critter ever conceived.
It's quite a divisive topic, a lot of the victims of the predatory practices you're critiquing are likely to defend those that exploit them. The crux of it is, people who play video games and spend money on superficial, cosmetic guff are disproportionately affected by mental health issues when compared to those who take up hobbies which don't render them sedentary and isolated for dozens of hours a week. It's not difficult to imagine a future where satirists are creating sketches poking fun at the idea of corporations carefully crafting an industry which relies upon vulnerable people exchanging their labour for "skins", working an 8 hour shift to finance some new emotes, it's principally tragic. History is going to take a very dim view of companies syphoning unimaginable funds from the chronically online in exchange for hollow, digital nothings. I like your stuff Kriibus, but I particularly enjoyed this video, it felt substantive.
Very well said
Im isolated with very few friends since my youth and I play a ton of Runescape and other games as my HOBBY and I have never been affected by this in the slightest and I never had a mental health disorder either. Furthermore my hobby lead to me actually getting into a job in the IT sector. I think you generalize way too much and you just swallow the stories of people that have no clue what they are talkinga bout way too easily. I know Runescape and I know it's MTX and for the average and normal player it is not predatory nor is it even worth spending money over, the loot you get isn't even good and the XP u get is almost worthless because nowadays the skills go by pretty quick. The leaderboard is set in stone, you literally CANNOT compete anymore.
For extreme cases like shown in the video let me tell you this, if you have a problem with any addiction it will always be easy for you to trick the system to get what you want. If you have a gambling addiction the easy of going into debt and other lending money services is just as easy as visiting 5 different stores IRL to buy alcohol to fuel your alcohol addiction, nobody in the store or the cashier will be wary of your issue as long as you can provide money for it and showing them you are of age.
So how exactly should the company be held accountable for your lack of self control, also if the kid is 25 and still lives with his parents and his parents wrote the letter to the gov (as this kid clearly still needs parental guidance) why didn't his parents check his spendings, how could he even amass a spending of 50k+ without going unnoticed by his "worrying parents".
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5:07 I really really wish this list was just membership and merchandise. Maybe bonds too, if you couldn't convert them to runecoins as an obfuscation of value.
To those who say "it's completely optional", remember that everything that is bought with real money takes away from the development space for the actual game. So yeah, while ironman is the only way to play this game, dodging most of the annoying mobile game advertising and lootbox spam, it still affects you.
Thank you for saying this.
Getting into board compensation is the good shit. Thanks being serious.
Quote King Condor oh yeah !!
I play star trek fleet command and there's players that have spent over $1,000,000 on it easily. Scopely the owning company threw a party for the lady who was the first person to spend over $1,000,000
What the hell is that pet at the start? I can’t express how much I need one.
itll be a funny day when i fire up some shitty app game and the first screen will ask if i wanna play $500 to unlock everything before playing
It's interesting that the company who just bought runescape is into gambling games
I could only imagine why they wanted runescape lol
The company that bought Jagex is a massively diversified investment company, they have stakes in an absurd amount of companies many who also own other companies themselves. Stop just blindly worrying about misleading headlines.
@@Outwardpdfacts!!!
Fact is people should be held accountable for their actions. If someone spends 60k on a game oh well. That's his fault. Accountability.
100% agree.
Things get a little more complicated when videogame companies have psychologists on their dev team that specialize in helping design addictive MTX to take advantage of easily addicted people. It's a really predatory way to go about things.
People that are as uninformed as you, are the main people protected by regulations and laws to prevent con artists and scammers from ruining your life.
IMO its your own responsibility. If anything we should inform and educate people better. Raise (self) awareness and teach people to take responsibility. I think the problem goes way way deeper.
Also my government in The Netherlands are hypocrites, opening cases like in Counter Strike is completely banned, even gambling with your Twitch channel chat points is banned. Yet all of the lotteries are not an issue because they are OWNED by the government. One of the biggest scams!
Finally a person with sanity and deeper understanding of the system. People nowadays just parrot all kinds of random shit, mostly without even knowing what they're talking about. Super annoying. It is of course your own responsibility and not the darn companies fault, its the same when buying alcohol at the store, if you just go to 5 different stores to fuel your addiction it will also go unnoticed... bcause of this the company selling alcohol should face consequences? WTF
@@Zorrolord Uh no, the company that employs psychologists to literally focus on how to manipulate people into gambling addictions are problematic however. Especially for a product easily consumable by children.
I'm a rs3 player I been playing since 08 . I know it's die slowly but it's my type of game I grow up playing it . I probably spent like 700 dollars since 08 . I work for my gps now I got the alts and few main so I can buy bonds with gps so not spending 🤑 anymore
I think what companies with MTX's should do is do an ID verification on people (this will get rid of multiple accounts) and don't let anyone under 21 spend money on the game. When you make an account, you're set how much money you wanna spend in that month and the game will stop you from buying anything else for that whole month if you go past that limit (Max being 500).
I used to have a friend that sold his car so he could buy a phat with bonds lol
I'm very proud of myself for not spending a single IRL penny while playing RS3, and getting some of the high-end accomplishments in the game in the process.
I started out tanning black dragonhide for my very first bonds and gradually training slayer until I could sustain myself. Now I'm worth almost 20b and I'm well on my way to the master max cape, all without spending a dime!
I just enjoy the game, and I'd hate to see it die to something as stupid as MTX...
Same. Love the content in rs3 but the MTX is the shitty part. I'm just glad that we can block it and never have to see it. I just wish we'd get more quests. It's weird that we haven't gotten a new quest yet in 2024.
Yeah... when squeal of fortune was out and generous for spins I never won anything of interest or rare.
That set me up knowing my luck was so bad paying money to lose would be stupid.
Treasure hunter I finally got some lucky item gear, but they were low level by that time on me. Nice for collection and still never got the saradomin lucky sword 😅
My only real break was big top bonanza I won the gold set once. Again low level by then and no augmenting so cant even use it as invention cheap fodder.
So none of the chance or mtx based stuff streamlined my play. Just long long grinds and drops. So RS really helped me secure anti gambling behaviours as a teen. 🎉
@@astraldrag8562yeah I think most rs3 players feel this way too. It's a necessary evil of our modern gaming industry, simply because people with millions of dollars will blow a few K on stupid cosmetics etc and Jagex would be insane to not accept that money yknow?
But they have done a great job making it optional, for example those super impactful TH skilling items are now able to be earned via normal gameplay
62k apartment?
I mean I think it's absurd the family points the finger at Jagex instead of going after their son for spending the money.
I've never had an addiction problem with video game transactions, but I've spent enough time and money in D2 that I need to make a point: that armor set across 3 characters is ~$60 ($20 per class), but the real money they make is seasons (the content of the game) and seasonal events like Halloween or Solstice. All D2 content available in store right now would cost you $10k.
Now, as an RS3 player who never felt the NEED to spend money on the game outside membership, I'll confidently say I played OSRS back before RS3 and I've never regretted my switch. Sure combat sucks, but it sucks in all Runescape variants so that's not new. Skill grinding is waaay easier in RS3. And even if it did get easier in OSRS, I like the ornaments and skins they offer in RS3. Not enough to buy them, but enough that I keep an eye out for when there's a sale.
rs3 is great if you take away all the mxt bs sadly jagex probably wont do shit since its their golden cow
so im a rs3 player yes mtx is a problem but you can sertanly enjoy the game whit out and yes it shuld be opsional to have the have the mtx fly on to your screen as soon as you open and log in
Ppl spending this monthly on genshin and runescape is sundenly a problem lol.
No joke I got TH-cam ads ever minute on this video
thanks for taking one for the team soldier
Just to be clear, those 600 employees AVERAGE 30,000 pounds, that is pathetic considering the impact the Jmods have on the game, and considering that that is the average, that means the actual Jmods (who are not the managers) are probably getting paid even less than 30,000 pounds. Kind of sad considering how they have single handedly carried the games success.
Diablo 4 buyables are only cosmetic, you don't need to buy them at all btw
I used to spend money on skins for LoL, but they at some point added a mechanic to get them for free just from playing. Now I never buy them. I think RS needs to do something similar.
I mean they did? You earn keys by doing dailies, questing, and over time by logging in. Most cosmetics are purchaseable, either via gp, or during seasonal events for the relevant token type.
The people spending money on keys for cosmetics are doing it to support Jagex, typically. They aren't poor depressed sods, they are literal multi millionaires with nothing better to do
The thumbnail looks unrelated to rs and looks like among us or something.
Ive been playing runescape for 15 years now and ive never spent any money on mtx only membership for the past 10 years. This year will be the first year i will be able to pay my memebership with gp. Back in the 90s post gaming crash of the 80s there was a huge push to introduce MTX into games but the player base couldn't afford it or just didnt buy the add ons. Why!? Because they didnt have mental helth issues like we do today! That and it was CULTURAL inapropriate to do so. Now when i look at old school rs all i see is a joke! Its not 06 runescape anymore and the community is worse than in 06.
Great video, I agree with the sentiment. I also hate P2W and microtransactions in games we already pay for upfront.
Just want to say something about the beginning tho...
You talk about gambling, and mention Diablo as being "notorious for their gambling prowess". Then you show Diablo 4 and the disgusting microtransaction shop, but that has nothing to do with gambling. You are not gambling any money, you get what you pay for. The same when you mention being able to buy pwoer to "compete with other players", you're showing (what I assume is) a black market site for in game currency.
I just want to say, that if we are going to fight against predatory microtransactions, gambling, and P2W, then we need to be clear and honest with how we use these words. We can not misuse the words, because we end up watering them down into meaningless nothing.
In order for the words "Pay to win" to hold any meaning, we can't use them like this. We just end up watering them down into "Every single game is pay to win, because you can pay someone to beat the game for you".
We also can not call microtransactions gambling. There are so many things we can say against these practises, there is no need to use extreme cases, or lie about how things work.
Just not a fan of misusing and watering down important words like that.
These are pounds not dollars, please remember that :o
this was a really good video, based
Not a fan of D4, but any amount of money you spend in that game does not help you "compete" with other players. It's all entirely cosmetic. The armor you buy doesn't become "useless", it's a skin. Also the only currency you can purchase with real money can only be used for cosmetics, you cannot buy character power.. So the screenshot at 1:32 is entirely not in the game.
wait that cant be right? 18m/600 employess = the average jagex employee making 30K/year?
Yeah, they only make 30k pounds a year. Confirmed by an ex j-mod when discussing bots.
Time to leave that country 😂😂😂
based marxist theory of labor value
Everyone juat loves to hate rs3. I play borh and like them both the same
The problem is the players, not the company. The company is just that, a business. They are in it to make money, by whatever means nessicary. If they went and made decisions by "what feels right" they would be a bad business. It is not their responsibility to babysit, as you said. The problem is the players who can't control themselves. It is 100% on them. If you know you can't help but gambling, don't play a game with gambling. Thats it. That is 100% on you, the one with the problem.
dmers and bond buyers 👀
@@OmniDan26 Buying bonds isn't gambling ROFL you guys keep throwing words around you don't even know what they mean, you probably also think buying 200 keys to get "free" xp is considered "pay to win" when you cannot even "win" in runescape because leaderboards are set in stone because many ppl long before you have already reached max xp and you literally CANNOT overtake them. Ther's also no PVP so again nothing to win here. Stop using terms that you have no idea of what their meaning is.
@@OmniDan26 Literally 0 USD purchased keys or bonds here, and I'm getting close to the Max guild now after playing off and on for a few years.
At no point have I ever felt a strong need to spend money that I resisted. In fact, I felt like the game was constantly throwing endless free th keys at me, and would have been fine with less free bonus xp along the way.
This is not a competitive game and the leader boards are set. You're not paying to win, you're paying to progress. And also no one fricking does that because, get this: we actually enjoy playing runescape.
"Gambling in its purest form" who actually falls for this shit? If you have played the game for as long as I have you just look at the items you are getting as reward and think to yourself "well all of this isn't even GREAT to say the least, FAR OFF from beeing insanely useful" lol. Most ppl who complain about mtx and it beeing gambling have no idea what they are talking about because they see free xp and go "OMFG LOL". In reality xp in RS3 has long lost its value and honestly that is OK because nowadays there is pretty much a method for every skill in this game that allows you to EARN 1m xp / hr by just playing the game. Also there are no leaderboards, after 200m in all skills there is no competition and there is tonns of players that have already earned this WAY WAY before you so no point really in doing that comparison either. Cosmetics that cost multitude of millions of gps can be just bought in the GE (trading hall of runescape) so again if you play the game long enough there is no need for gambling and chasing those 0,1% droprates from Treasure Hunter.
So if you wanna gamble for the sake of gambling it is your very own responsibility, it is not predatory and the benefit of doing it is also INSANELY minor. You are literally ruining your immersion of the game if you buy xp when ur fresh, missing alot of the low and mid level sector which is actually quiet fun in RS. If you are a high lvl players and resort to buying xp you are either insanely desperate, have no time irl but have cash or you are just an idiot who doesn't know the fundamentals of the game despite of having 1b total xp or more. Oh by the way your ammount of xp and achievements ingame does not mirror ur intelligence ingame. I have seen people with more xp and more achievements than me which actually know shockingly little about certain things.
So to break it down, MTX in RS3 is not a huge deal, it is your responsibility to see it is gambling and check the probabilities (which are literally there for you to see) before spending 200$ and then wondering why you didn't hit that 0.001% chance cosmetic override you wanted. My tp, dont buy keys just use ur brain and use the resources and methods provided ingame and / or the wiki to see how to progress your account naturally. If you want cosmetics don't get them right away or even dumber gamble for them no, set up a goal which is this cosmetic and then make gold ingame naturally as you progress your account and ur skill and then finally spend your excess gold on that cosmetic which you wanted a couple weeks / months ago also maybe because u had time thinking about it you realized you don't even really want it as bad as you did X ammount of time ago or when it came out.
To say something about the stated ivndividual in this video, this is an extreme and sad example but also I blame the credit card companies or in general lending services which make it insanely easy for people especially at young age to go in debt and amass a TON of it before actively countering against that.
Also for people with an issue that cannot control themselfes hating on MTX etc. alcohol in the store is just as easily accessible at 18+ years of age if you can provide money for it. How would anyone notice you having a drinking problem if you buy alcohol from 5 different stores. Stop making this a strictly online only problem.
Meanwhile 90% of OSRS "players" are obviously bots to anyone logged in who frickin takes a look around
But sure it's the more popular game lol
@@aabrightlove Yeah right, and how many O7 ppl are gambling addicts in duel arena? Oh wait duel arena is removed? Well we now do shady high risk fighting with pid scams in high risk worlds instead because we still wanna gamble LMFAO.
the GAME isnt dogshit the devs and mtx are
RS3 is proof that you should never spend a lot of money on live service games because someday, the game will transform into something you hate.😂
RS3 is proof that you DONT NEED to spend extra money in a live service game because I have achieved so much progress that some people can only dream of without spending a DIME on MTX. People need to just start using their brain and realizing how to play the game without seeing "free xp" and going *water in mouth*. Also leaderboards are set in stones and there is no competition possible anymore so stupid reasons for ppl to complain about MTX "it ruins competitiveness bla bla" shut up lol
@@ZorrolordI feel the same way man. Literally 0 USD purchased keys or bonds here, and I'm getting close to the Max guild now after playing off and on for a few years.
At no point have I ever felt a strong need to spend money that I resisted. In fact, I felt like the game was constantly throwing endless free th keys at me, and would have been fine with less free bonus xp along the way
@@aabrightlove I am glad u enjoy the game man and I agree with your gameplay choices and how to progress ur acc. Ur one of the rare ppl that don't just parrot the random bs ppl claim.
This guy never play d4
Osrs players will hate on rs3 any chance they get but don’t realize rs3 is like that so osrs can be how it is with 0 mtx. Rs3 would have less mtx if osrs would be leeching less off of rs3. Rs3 began dying due to the lack of meaningful content to where the osrs executive producer had to step in and work on both games because rs3 dying would have also killed osrs
Yall in the comments are honestly ridiculous.
The mtx IS OPTIONAL. Seriously, hardly anyone buys into it for XP, the COSMETICS are what are popular and whaled over. You're essentially mad about the quest reward system, and pretending that people are spending thousands to max out an account when that literally does not happen at all.
If you feel like you personally can't ignore mtx, then YOU have a problem. Developers monetizing cosmetics on their platform is not the issue here.
MOREOVER, OSRS ALSO HAS MTX DOOFUS. YOU CAN BUY OSRS GP WITH USD VIA BONDS BUT SURE COPE HARDER LOL
Also, the vast majority of OSRS accounts are bots, and we all know this but you're in denial about it. Rs3 has way better bot detection; OSRS is not more popular they just let the bots inflate their numbers in a way the rs3 team doesn't.
Imagine not having self-control with purchases.
Also, remember, guys
A gambler always quit when they're about to win.
This is why i buy a lottery ticket every week 🤣. Never gonna win but gotta be in it to win it.
@@aarons6935AKA the stupidity tax
People that spend money "gambling" on mtx with open for everyone to see probabilities are stupid and I'll explain why. If you have a cosmetic promo item with purple rarity and it has a 0.01% probability then that would mean ON AVERAGE it could take you up to 10.000 keys to hit that item atleast once. Now let's assume this cosmetic item is new to the game and popular aswell so it costs 500 million gold on the grand exchange. How much money would it cost to buy 10.000 keys in hopes to gamble for the items vs how many Bonds would you have to buy to get 500m gp and just buy the item off the grand exchange 100% of the time? Well simple. bonds currently are worth between 80-100m so let's assume the lower end to be the least biast possible, that would mean you'd need to purchase 6 and a quarter Bond to be able to buy it on ge. Which costs about 44€ total (price checked TODAY). Now what would 10.000 keys cost? I think we don't even have to do the math to realize the stupidity behind it, even if you get INSANELY lucky and you "only" need 1000 keys to hit the item you would still spend way over 200€.
As someone who spent close to 10k euro on Raid shadow legends I can confirm gatcha games are scary. But god damn the dopamin rushes are incrediable
You need help.
Literally 0 USD purchased keys or bonds here, and I'm getting close to the Max guild now after playing off and on for a few years.
At no point have I ever felt a strong need to spend money that I resisted. In fact, I felt like the game was constantly throwing endless free th keys at me, and would have been fine with less free bonus xp along the way.
This is not a competitive game and the leader boards are set. You're not paying to win, you're paying to progress. And also no one fricking does that because, get this: we actually enjoy playing runescape.
People whining about optional microtranactions are hilarious to me
Rs3 is better than osrs by a lot. Yes there are also optional micro transactions. But the game has more and better content and is prettier to boot.
If you feel like they aren't optional, then hecking go outside that isn't Jagex's fault because they are extremely optional. Rs is ostensibly a single player non competitive game. What you're mad about is the quest reward system dude, not "pay to win"
There is no win. It's just pay to support the devs and progress slightly faster. If you think there is win to be found here, or in osrs for that matter, you supremely need to touch grass
Being able to swipe a credit card and gain exp is pay to win. It’s the clearest form of it.
Most insane comment here. Statistics prove OSRS is the preferred game, rs3 is slowly dying and that's not debatable.
@@aarons6935 hahaha cope harder lol something being more popular doesn't make it inherently better. Is Taylor Swift better than Beethoven? Who cares what you think, your opinion doesn't matter. The same is true for osrs v rs3.
Your game has ONE thing that RS3 doesn't: ELITISM. and you've got it in droves.
That's why your game is less fun and will never be as fun as rs3. Because the people who play it are delusional sweatbeards who think digital "accomplishments" ought not be tainted by the presence of adults with time-consuming jobs.
I'm and RS3 main and the fact that if you do your dailies you can lamp skills to 99 takes away any feeling of accomplishment
@@koelkastridder3388you really can't tho. The lamps give what like 5k-20k xp? Have fun maxing in 3000 years lol
Typical osrs simp probably doesn't even play rs3
the top people earning as much as the super talented team of 600 makes me furious. This late stage capitalism is getting really old. We should take a page out of the dutch's book (who killed and ate the prime minister) Ok maybe not the eating part but the ultra rich should be punished for their sins in a way they cannot buy their way out.
you cant compare diablo 4 when its just cosmetic lmao, no p2w, you dont have to buy the armour or anything, why do you have to buy cosmetics to compete?? confused af
Some of this is misinformation really. And MTX isn't on OSRS? I can buy bonds and get BiS not to mention buyable skills. This isn't a games fault its the players fault.
This video is extremely dishonest. The Fortnite skin you showed is a bonus to buying the Nintendo Switch bundle, you're not just buying a Fortnite skin you're buying an entire Nintendo Switch, additionally the reason it's "$400" right now is because people are trying to scalp their rarity but Epic games has nothing to do with that, it's actually just a recolor of a cheap skin. Also, the $220 armor you're showing is only a part of a 50 item set, you're not buying just the armor and even additionally on top of that you could buy it all using in-game bright dust.
Game developers do 100% milk players but lying about it and being dishonest isn't a way to get a point across @Kriibus
Honestly I generally don't play games that have mtx
I did play rs3 a lot until 2018 mtx is why I left felt no point in playing why play when you could take credit card out and get ahead. Was ready to leave ra for good. Started an ironman on osrs it's been great fun
And yes I agree with the statement your real life wealth shouldn't affect you in game everyone should be equal
What exactly is it with people saying "getting ahead with mtx is a turnoff". Dude you realize leaderboards are set in stone, you literally CANNOT overtake the #1 ranked player even if you spent 5 million $ because he already reached max xp long before you so what is it with that claim all the time that ppl do?
Literally 0 USD purchased keys or bonds here, and I'm getting close to the Max guild now after playing off and on for a few years.
At no point have I ever felt a strong need to spend money that I resisted. In fact, I felt like the game was constantly throwing endless free th keys at me, and would have been fine with less free bonus xp along the way.
This is not a competitive game and the leader boards are set. You're not paying to win, you're paying to progress. And also no one fricking does that because, get this: we actually enjoy playing runescape.
The sad thing is RS3 isnt a new server release. It was what our beloved long legacy characters evolved into. I only have one character and not interested in redoing all the work I did and accomplished. (I know a WoW friend that makes a new character per week for the last 20 years) Not my interest. I like the feeling of *pride and accomplishment* of having high/max stats when I got them.
Honestly when osrs was announced I was hoping my stats for my character from the year of the build would be imported. Would of been my in.😅
Talks about Runescape 3 stockhome syndrome while incredibly downplaying how pay to win bonds are in oldschool. Your game is just as busted matey
Only game worth playing is either one on ironman
Literally 0 USD purchased keys or bonds here, and I'm getting close to the rs3 Max guild now after playing off and on for a few years.
At no point have I ever felt a strong need to spend money that I resisted. In fact, I felt like the game was constantly throwing endless free th keys at me, and would have been fine with less free bonus xp along the way.
This is not a competitive game and the leader boards are set. You're not paying to win, you're paying to progress. And also no one fricking does that because, get this: we actually enjoy playing runescape.
The comparison you made to Diablo is incredibly uninformed lol, you were thinking of Diablo Immortal and accidentally compared it to Diablo 4 including the prices. Diablo 4 (the one you showed in this video) doesn't have any sort of power locked behind any paywall at all. Diablo Immortal is the mobile game with a bunch of p2w transactions but is free initially. Diablo Immortal is trash regardless but the blatant lack of research into something you so confidently present is a bit ridiculous.
62k on rs3? Osrs stakers: hold my whip
I sadly spent about $7k on maxing my rs3 account years ago. Definitely an addiction. But you can't take it with you when you die. 😂😂
As someone who played rs3 for about a year because it was my OG rs2 account, I can vouche for the fact that it's dogshit lol. The bossing is pretty sick but its absolutely unrecognizable in comparisonnto it's predecessor. I got multiple 99s solely using xp lamps and all the other free garbage they give you.
So what? 99s are literally NOTHING in RS3 nowadays, there are now skills that go to level 120 (104m xp) and maxing all skills (all skills lvl 99) is considered the "tutorial of runescape" by many nowadays. You are just still stuck in the old views of 2008 when getting a 99 actually meant INSANE work, grind and achievement when people had literal parties for that. Nowadays u get a simple GZ for hitting 99 and continue the grind because it is just a mere stepping stone on your journey. Many methods with 500k-1m xp / hr for most skills are available at a high lvl ingame and the leaderboards are long set in stone, there are tonns of people that have reached max xp long long before you so no competition possible anymore. I play the game for a long time now and haven't spent a dime on MTX, why? Cuz it's not even worth my cash lol if you actually played the game you realize how little this free xp actually affects ur gameplay. Sure if you just play 2h a week but login everyday to claim your free keys then of course it is gonna be a "big impact" because you literally don't play the game LOL.
@@Zorrolord the fact that it means nothing should tell you everything you need to know about RS3 LOL I did play everyday and just uses the free shit for lame ass skills like dungeoneering. Bossing is cool but the rest of the game is a giant sales funnel
@@FoulMouthFishing666bahahaha cope lol this is hysterical dude. First off what bosses are you doing? GWD1? Lol you're probably barely able to take on the very easiest babby's first boss encounters. You have hardly scratched the surface of rs picking up a couple 99s. 120 is the new 99, deal with it.
Moreover saying dung is bad while praising bossing is how I know you're a dingus: one of the primary ways to train dungeoneering is do do some of the most popular boss encounters
@@Zorrolord what is it with OSRS players pretending to play rs3 and talking shit about it? This guy probably is just lying outright imo, but decorum means I need to break down his stupid ass "arguments" instead of pointing that out to him.
Fine for me to point it out to you tho lol
@@aabrightlove I don't know either, all these ppl always with their bogous claims and "predatory mtx" is their word of the year like goddamn all it takes is a tiny bit of self control to not get "lured" by this shaking box when u log in lol. Also if you think about the rewards off TH and how to obtain them ingame normally u realize it isn't even worth to spend a dime. These items are mostly not even good and the cosmetics u can buy MUCH cheaper off the ge. Hell it would even be much cheaper buying bonds for gp to buy said cosmetics vs buying TH keys trying to gamble for these items but people aren't smart enough for that as it turns out but rather they blame their stupidity on others.
Also yeah this guy specificly seems to be stuck in 2012 or so. Thinking hitting lvl 99 nowadays in a skill is impressive is just pure delusion and I am not talking about just main accounts that benefit from TH I say this ironman included because let's face it even iron isn't hard, it just takes longer to do everything lol (not much longer either if you have a plan and if you are efficient about it)
The funny thing is O7 players have the audacity to talk about "easy game rs3" when they have literal quest helper with tile and npc markers and fat arrows on the map basicly playing the game for you, listing you any item you might need before even starting. Clue solver, xp tracker etc. all included when all we have is Alt1 for clues which isn't even official.
Not to mention we have 7 more skills than o7 so in that regard both games probably by now take similar times to max cape.
You should rly do your Research better. All you showed was the cosmetics Shop, and ure phrasing it like its actual gear that makes you stronger. D4s gameplay and state is so bad, you dont rly need to make stuff up to shittalk them.
I spent $3000 on RuneScape 3 in 1 year !
Never again.
And why did you? May i ask? Cosmetics can be purchased in GE and XP isn't really worth anything, leaderboards are set in stone. Unless you bought bonds to afford a phat or so i don't see a point lol
Rs3 💩
Lol kirbus not knowing thall the micrto transactions in d4 are cosmetic and have no real function in game
The Diablo example is so ass, none of it gives anything in game, it's transmog lol?
Maybe chill out on the sexual analogies a bit mate lol
Man up.
Wow. Shocking info. Always loved to watch your content, but man, the strong language is hard on my ears.
I hate RS3 because of this, i regret spending as much as I did, never again
Literally 0 USD purchased keys or bonds here, and I'm getting close to the Max guild now after playing off and on for a few years.
At no point have I ever felt a strong need to spend money that I resisted. In fact, I felt like the game was constantly throwing endless free th keys at me, and would have been fine with less free bonus xp along the way.
Sweetie I think the problem is with YOU, not rs3
OSRS players pretending bonds aren't p2w coming in 3..2...1..
Literally 0 USD purchased keys or bonds here, and I'm getting close to the Rs3 Max guild now after playing off and on for a few years.
At no point have I ever felt a strong need to spend money that I resisted. In fact, I felt like the game was constantly throwing endless free th keys at me, and would have been fine with less free bonus xp along the way.
This is not a competitive game and the leader boards are set. You're not paying to win, you're paying to progress. And also no one fricking does that because, get this: we actually enjoy playing runescape.
Too many crude sexual references in your videos lately for me. Good luck with your future
Nub
That's fair feedback, good luck!
Bye bye.
So like don't get me wrong, rs3 is a trash money pit for sure, and i won't play it, but for the family to cry about it when their son is a 25 year old adult? Jagex can't be held accountable for an adult's lack of self control. It's not like it was a 12 year old kid that got scammed out of his mom's credit card or something. He's grown. An idiot for sure, but a grown idiot
Literally 0 USD purchased keys or bonds here, and I'm getting close to the Rs3 Max guild now after playing off and on for a few years.
At no point have I ever felt a strong need to spend money that I resisted. In fact, I felt like the game was constantly throwing endless free th keys at me, and would have been fine with less free bonus xp along the way.
This is not a competitive game and the leader boards are set. You're not paying to win, you're paying to progress. And also no one fricking does that because, get this: we actually enjoy playing runescape.
But sure tell me more about how bonds aren't pay to win in OSRS lolol
@@aabrightlove i think you responded to the wrong comment my guy, i never gave an opinion on osrs bonds, amd i can't really consider them p2w because they were added so f2p players could buy them off the grand exchange and use them for membership instead or irl money. Yes, the players using cc to biu them and sell them are getting am advantage but not a single thing in osrs is locled behind a pay wall. Not even cosmetics
@@aabrightlove also i never said rs3 was p2w, i sa9d ot was a trash money pit