It totally put you in place to experience the film. You have been transported. The throat singing, the Sardukar (alien) language, letting you know to pay attention to the 'dreams' as they are the key to understanding what's going on to those uninitiated to Dune - all in a few seconds. A brilliant piece of directing!
When I heard that in the theater for the first time, me and the rest of the theater went dead silent. I could feel people around me going "holy shit," the sound and message really grabs you.
There was a fan theory going around after the movie was released, that stated that the opening line of the film was uttered by Leto the second. And that the film itself is Leto 2 going through his genetic memories. Not that I believe that. But it’s cool to think about.
Favorite part of seeing the movie in the theater: the opening moments. When it happened, everyone in the crowd went murmur murmur mur----- dead silent.
This is great to hear from someone. When I saw it in theaters I went when there were very few people, and so I missed the average audience reactions to things. The immediate beginning is perhaps the most important moment in film and writing; because you gotta grab that audience and get their full attention. It make sense that this would facilitate that.
That first five seconds with this cryptic message was my favorite cinematic moment ever. Never have I seen such a thing where it demanded everyone’s attention at once and managed to quiet an entire theater room all at once. Everyone was dead silent after this one moment for the rest of the film. Truly brilliant!
Only thing that comes close is when starling walks into that office in " silence of the lambs"where she,s starts looking at all the newspapers about buffalo bill
I’m surprised that I’ve never heard Carl Jung mentioned in the context of Frank Herbert (and Jodorowski’s) work. Jung’s theories of psychology pioneered these ideas of dreams being the primary way to communicate with the personal and collective unconscious through the archetypes. He develops a lot of the ideas mentioned in this video in much greater detail.
Adding the recent findings about all the things that can affect our gene expression (epigenetics) makes it all the more fascinating. Mothers affecting their offspring through activities during pregnancy, fathers affecting them through lifestyle leading up to insemination etc. Our hunch that somehow our ancestors pass down stuff not just through culture and genes but through more sophisticated pathways is as exciting as it may seem magical
I am happy to hear someone else say this! Herbert spent several years studying for this book, not to mention his lifetime of study prior. There is quite a lot of psychological depth to the whole saga. So many metaphors and head-nods to people like Jung. You really can read through Dune several times, following a different thread on each read. Frank Herbert included a treasure trove's worth of psychology.
I can't believe I never made this basic connection before - Paul, and later, Leto II, are both navigators of time just as a spacing guild navigator, but on a much larger scale.
Ahh, Madame Nerd! Your ability to explain such ethereal and esoteric ideas and concepts is, truly, so impressive! I have thought about prescience as it applies to the Dune series over the years I have read (and re-read) Frank Herbert’s books, but never really grasped the concept until your video. When I saw the opening of Denis Villeneuve’s Dune (starting with the Sardauker throat singing), I immediately knew that this was going to be the closest adaptation of how Frank Herbert believed Dune should be see on screen. All of us dream. What they mean is up for us to decide… Please keep up the excellent work!
The line is absolutely stunningly brilliant at setting the tone: haunting, foreboding, intimidating, and completely captivating. It evokes fear and wonder at the same time. Incredible storytelling.
With that opening message, and the fact that Sardurkar seem to have breathers when in their armor, made me think that maybe they are being doped some sort of spice to breath in. This would fit on why they are so damn good, and why only Fremen are better; harsher conditions, harder way of life, longer exposure with Spice; Chani, who was ~not part of the breeding program gave birth to an even more powerful male than Paul was.
I went to see the movie without knowing the first thing about the Dune universe. But this line, the very first, gave me so much chills. Especially when spoken with that enigmatic sardaukar language ! Now that I know more, I love it even more !
This is cool to hear! I'm curious about your opinion on something, given that this film was your first (hopefully of many) foray into the Dune universe. Given that opening line, and others throughout the movie, did you find the dreams and prescience to be more of a "magical", fantasy-type vibe or perhaps did it still feel like solid Science-Fiction to you?
It still felt like solid Sci-fi to me because it has a logical explanation with the spice and the genetic program but it has a nice touch of mysticism in the way it's represented and I love it ! I loved everything about this movie 😊
I'm 56 ,read dune at 18 I own every book that has been written about dune plus Herbert's son Brian,s books although Brian has a simpler writing style( not so descriptive) there still great books
I always liked Herbert's use of "racial memory" encoded into our DNA. It was strange that Leto 2nd had a very strong connection to his "other memory" but Paul seemingly did not.
@@thomasboyles9773 that's kind of a gray area. Leto was the first male pre-born,as far as I've read. As such, everything about his birth was uncharted territory. Also, he was one of twins, which could have affected his consciousness. I wish Herbert had written more on the subject. And I don't really remember Paul discussing other memory, only his prescience.
Mmmm. I think it's pretty clear that Ghanima and Leto II are both pre-born, and that the combination of Paul and Chani's memory with the understanding of Alia's condition protected them.
@@thomasboyles9773 my question is why Paul didn't seem to have access to his male ancestral memory the way reverend mothers did to their female memories. Leto apparently had access to both, due to being pre-born, I'm assuming.
i think you pretty much nailed it. you could argue for a more materialistic view, but i think that'll fall flat. mostly because I think Herbert was trying to get people to open their eyes, and look beyond the branch in their face.
I played this part, over and over and over. When the Twisted Mentat was talking, some guy in the comment section broke down their language. It was so damn fascinating.
When I read this blurb, placed before the film properly begins, I did a double-take thinking HBOMax had pulled some sort of prank. "What does that mean? Why is it placed there? An epigraph but not where one would expect. And what's that chanting?" It however really resonates with me. So much so, I have it at top of my blog now.
When you dream ,most of the time you can break them down and see where they come from,but once in a while you have one that truly comes" from the deep" now is this your deepest subconscious? Or is someone somewhere in a different time trying to tell you something?
If I understand correctly the day this video came out is also the day that Dune 2 starts filming. Yah. And of course as always another great Dune video. Thanks for all the great insight.
when i saw this movie i was having weird dreams where someone from my past came back into my life. the message at the begining was telling me how me and this person would never really have peace and that distancing myself was the better choice.
I always hoped that the prescient voices that Paul hears is the God Emperor looking back through his memories. Maybe someday we will get a full TV series that explores the God Emperor Dune.
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I love your interpretation especially the Duke Leto II theory 👏👏
This is exactly what Qui Gon and Yoda reproofed Obiwan and Luke respectively. Where Qui Gon stressed to Obiwan not to despair over the future but to focus on the here and now and Yoda told Luke he looks into the past and the future but not what he was doing.
Hay Nerd Cookies could you do a vid on the dune tarot and how it effects Paul's prescience/the story? I'm currently listening to messiah on audio and your vids have helped me understand the story so far in so much more depth and the dune tarot is something I'd like to know more about. Thanks
Paul’s Mentat training no doubt played a part in his singular grasp of prescience. I don’t recall any Navigators having such training. And his ‘trinocular vision’ is a way for one to create a reference in 3D space, two points make a line and three make a plane.
I don't understand why ppl compare navigators to prescience, navigators only see through space ,paths of safety,this is not having prescience,Paul sees both future and past big difference
@@jonathancox1231 navigators see into the future in a limited way, finding the safest possible path through space. They don’t see it the way the Atreides do.
love ur channel, i have read, 1,2,3 twice and making my way to god emporer again, i am still learning more about the complexities and dynamics of this brilliant work, it is the most amazing book i have ever read, incredble, the mind of Frank Herbet is without parallel, the movie was incredible too. i love all his work, he is a gifted artist. cant wait for part 2, your breakdown of the hidden meanings in his book is fantastic, keep them coming. love the sardurkar. fanatics. the blood ritual is one of the best in the movie.
Awesome! I am overwhelmingly relieved by Denis' adaptation. I am such a "please be true to the book" snob when it comes to adaptations. Denis did a great job. He had a lot, a metric tonne of "a lot", of material to put into 2.5 hours. 883 pages in my Ace edition, (counting the appendices through the afterward) of delectably deep psychological, anthropological and philosophical, writings. Not to mention stunning visuals. Which Denis' and Co. captured beautifully. Not to mention the sound. The sound was a tangible actor in this film in a visceral way, like it is in Jaws; but on a more epic scale. I understand of course what it means to have an "adaptation"; and one's expectation cannot be a facsimile of the source novel. I see several items that Denis (mostly) subtly changed, but still did in a way that would at least convey much of the feeling elicited by those excluded scenes/narrations. I have a few, mostly small bones to pick, but that being said, I was puzzled by the choice to have that line spoken in a Sardaukar's voice. The line itself, I think does set the tone. ( I thought an even better example of tone setting came from the significantly altered portrayal of the Herald of the Change arriving on Caladan. "It's done." And that music hits you right after. That moment I thought, considering the time restraints, beautifully gave the viewers the tone and feel of a couple chapters worth of detail that was not going to fit.) I do worry though, that people new to the story, will think of prescience as "magic". The line created a certain mystic right away. It sparks questions. I think there may have been just a pinch too much of referencing Paul's dreams. I mean he absolutely had dreams in which he did just as the Reverend Mother asked him. But I would have liked to have had more dialogue around teh idea of prescience. Ultimately, perhaps this one component won't prove to be that important. I thought you had quite a good point though, about that possibly having been Leto II voice. He definitely knew all the languages.
I've always loved how Herbert made a painful point to make sure the reader knows there is no magic in his worlds but human adaptation and mutation due to there environs!!!
@@jonathancox1231 I know what you mean! That moment, the lines between the two, the delivery of said lines, and the immediately following musical notes all came together and managed to convey quite a large portion of the early chapters. All in a moment.
"The smallest of actions, a wink of an eye, a careless word, a misplaced grain of sand, could theoretically snowball and avalanche, causing a mass shift in the universe." Ian Malcolm: "Uh, that's, that's chaos theory."
There always seems to hint at a deeper layer of the universe in Dune. the mind could be attached to but it many offered just dreams to most in the Dune Universe.
I find it interesting that I could only know what the introductory statement was when I turned on closed captions. When I first watched the movie I had no idea what was being said.
I have always felt that "The Deep" is a reference to Jungian philosophy. Herbert borrows a lot of overt concepts from Jung such as "Race Consciousness" or that we all share a common unconscious world that links all of humanity. This is the "driving force of the Jihad" in the book. The need of humanity to mix bloodlines in order to continue human evolution and fight genetic stagnation is a strong through line of the series. Jung uses this concept as a explanation for how sometimes one can "know" things that they shouldn't such as a twin "knowing" when their twin dies the moments that it happens. This is the base foundation on which Herbert built a lot of the "mystical" elements of the series on as well. Humanities powers only ever come from within humanity and it's own inventiveness.
in my view, « the deep » would indeed refers to that part of the human psyche which is connected to the universe, and conveys to the individual this universal intelligence through irrational experiences such as intuitions, feelings, dreams, and the likes... but confusing this with the unconscious seems misleading... clearly, in such experiences there are considerations, such as overall timing, relevance, and often their very contents, which suggests that a higher order of intelligence is at work, one which by far transcends the scope of the individual psyche...
"..the deep" is intentionally vague - as are many phrases of spiritual enlightenment. Whenever we engage in introspection, we benefit. And we avoid that given our pitiful attention spans. Speaking of which... can you please expand on the term 'genetic memories' : does that mean accessing the (past) memories of blood relatives or the collective memories of everyone? That's a big difference as the latter would likely induce a coma, even for disciplined Reverend Mothers. Thanks for all you do!
Genetic memories are memories of anyone related to you,they in escence are locked in your d.n.a. when the worm god Leto 2 ND adheared the sandtrout to his skin he was in a way becoming spice !!!!
had this dream last night, any interpretations???: i had a hair transplant from someone with red hair... and the hair color slowly turned back to black (original color) lol...
my personal theory is that it's a voice from Paul's male ancestral memory. we hear a lot of his female memory voices in the rest of the movie, showing how they're generally easier to access and less mysterious to the bene gesserit than the male memories
Im not positive but i think that line was a quote from a poem or a work of philosophy. I cant remember exactly but i heard it or read it before watching dune part one . ( maybe in college, ) its rings a bell . ( English or philosophy) you read so much its often a blur .
Still think I'd like to see someone one day do Jodorofskys (sp?) Version of DUNE. If you don't know there is a man named Alejandro Jodorofsky who was adapting DUNE back in the 80s. His vision for what this film could have been is incredible! I believe if Jodorofskys DUNE was made it would have came out a year or two before StarWars and I believed it would have overshadowed it. If you wanna see what I'm talking about there is an amazing doc about it called Jodorofskys DUNE. Thank me later 😃
Eastern philosophy is based in the idea that humans can vastly expand their mental capacities. My biggest irritation with the way it's handled in Dune is that people use these capabilities for power and control instead of to develop wisdom and compassion. I know you need it to make for an exciting story and whatever but really Frank?
If you read the book no movie will ever compare,I read dune at 18, I'm 56 I've read everything related to dune,I've seen all the movies sci Fi series they will never live up to the books ,they can't
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It totally put you in place to experience the film. You have been transported. The throat singing, the Sardukar (alien) language, letting you know to pay attention to the 'dreams' as they are the key to understanding what's going on to those uninitiated to Dune - all in a few seconds. A brilliant piece of directing!
Totally. The sound production alone for this film was on another level
It's fun to watch reacters reacting to that 1st statement. Like you said, shockingly puts them in that place to receive the rest of the movie.
When I heard that in the theater for the first time, me and the rest of the theater went dead silent. I could feel people around me going "holy shit," the sound and message really grabs you.
@@GreyEagle_35 I noticed this too! Could have heard a pin drop other than one muffled "what the fuuuuuck?"
It told me straight away the move was in good hands, which is ever so important these days
There was a fan theory going around after the movie was released, that stated that the opening line of the film was uttered by Leto the second. And that the film itself is Leto 2 going through his genetic memories. Not that I believe that. But it’s cool to think about.
I probably should’ve finished watching your video before I made that comment. Still, it’s cool to think about.
Hard to explain how Leto would have had access to certain scenes not part of his genetic memories though.
My issue with that is the fact it seems to be a different language than the Imperium language that we hear as English.
Yes it's Leto the 2 ND
@@squamish4244 God Emperor knows all
Favorite part of seeing the movie in the theater: the opening moments.
When it happened, everyone in the crowd went murmur murmur mur----- dead silent.
A friend told me a story about Bono saying "shhhh..." during Sunday Bloody Sunday and being amazed that the stadium went quiet. Kinda like that!
The wall of sound throughout the movie was incredible
This is great to hear from someone. When I saw it in theaters I went when there were very few people, and so I missed the average audience reactions to things. The immediate beginning is perhaps the most important moment in film and writing; because you gotta grab that audience and get their full attention. It make sense that this would facilitate that.
Best part of the movie. All downhill from there.
@@alextrivunovic644 lol
That first five seconds with this cryptic message was my favorite cinematic moment ever. Never have I seen such a thing where it demanded everyone’s attention at once and managed to quiet an entire theater room all at once. Everyone was dead silent after this one moment for the rest of the film. Truly brilliant!
Only thing that comes close is when starling walks into that office in " silence of the lambs"where she,s starts looking at all the newspapers about buffalo bill
Where exactly is not standard to be silent during the entire movie? So that I can avond ever going into a theater there.
I’m surprised that I’ve never heard Carl Jung mentioned in the context of Frank Herbert (and Jodorowski’s) work. Jung’s theories of psychology pioneered these ideas of dreams being the primary way to communicate with the personal and collective unconscious through the archetypes. He develops a lot of the ideas mentioned in this video in much greater detail.
Adding the recent findings about all the things that can affect our gene expression (epigenetics) makes it all the more fascinating. Mothers affecting their offspring through activities during pregnancy, fathers affecting them through lifestyle leading up to insemination etc. Our hunch that somehow our ancestors pass down stuff not just through culture and genes but through more sophisticated pathways is as exciting as it may seem magical
I am happy to hear someone else say this! Herbert spent several years studying for this book, not to mention his lifetime of study prior. There is quite a lot of psychological depth to the whole saga. So many metaphors and head-nods to people like Jung. You really can read through Dune several times, following a different thread on each read. Frank Herbert included a treasure trove's worth of psychology.
@@parmesean777 unless you have proof that's garbage
@@parmesean777 which induses a state similar to dreams
I can't believe I never made this basic connection before - Paul, and later, Leto II, are both navigators of time just as a spacing guild navigator, but on a much larger scale.
Yes and Leto 2nd adheared the samdtrout to his skin he became spice, thus much more prescience than Paul,what a world Herbert created
Ahh, Madame Nerd!
Your ability to explain such ethereal and esoteric ideas and concepts is, truly, so impressive! I have thought about prescience as it applies to the Dune series over the years I have read (and re-read) Frank Herbert’s books, but never really grasped the concept until your video. When I saw the opening of Denis Villeneuve’s Dune (starting with the Sardauker throat singing), I immediately knew that this was going to be the closest adaptation of how Frank Herbert believed Dune should be see on screen.
All of us dream. What they mean is up for us to decide…
Please keep up the excellent work!
The line is absolutely stunningly brilliant at setting the tone: haunting, foreboding, intimidating, and completely captivating. It evokes fear and wonder at the same time. Incredible storytelling.
These Dune videos are always interesting to watch. Keep up the great work!
With that opening message, and the fact that Sardurkar seem to have breathers when in their armor, made me think that maybe they are being doped some sort of spice to breath in. This would fit on why they are so damn good, and why only Fremen are better; harsher conditions, harder way of life, longer exposure with Spice; Chani, who was ~not part of the breeding program gave birth to an even more powerful male than Paul was.
Thank you for finally addressing what that message meant at the beginning. All the other channels have ignored its significance.
Thank you for your hard work. Really enjoy your videos and love learning about the entire story.
I went to see the movie without knowing the first thing about the Dune universe. But this line, the very first, gave me so much chills. Especially when spoken with that enigmatic sardaukar language ! Now that I know more, I love it even more !
This is cool to hear! I'm curious about your opinion on something, given that this film was your first (hopefully of many) foray into the Dune universe. Given that opening line, and others throughout the movie, did you find the dreams and prescience to be more of a "magical", fantasy-type vibe or perhaps did it still feel like solid Science-Fiction to you?
It still felt like solid Sci-fi to me because it has a logical explanation with the spice and the genetic program but it has a nice touch of mysticism in the way it's represented and I love it ! I loved everything about this movie 😊
I'm 56 ,read dune at 18 I own every book that has been written about dune plus Herbert's son Brian,s books although Brian has a simpler writing style( not so descriptive) there still great books
I always liked Herbert's use of "racial memory" encoded into our DNA. It was strange that Leto 2nd had a very strong connection to his "other memory" but Paul seemingly did not.
It was not strange. Leto II was preborn, like Alia.
@@thomasboyles9773 that's kind of a gray area. Leto was the first male pre-born,as far as I've read. As such, everything about his birth was uncharted territory. Also, he was one of twins, which could have affected his consciousness. I wish Herbert had written more on the subject. And I don't really remember Paul discussing other memory, only his prescience.
Mmmm. I think it's pretty clear that Ghanima and Leto II are both pre-born, and that the combination of Paul and Chani's memory with the understanding of Alia's condition protected them.
@@thomasboyles9773 my question is why Paul didn't seem to have access to his male ancestral memory the way reverend mothers did to their female memories. Leto apparently had access to both, due to being pre-born, I'm assuming.
Oh, I'm certain he did, but I intepreted that, with his mentat training, he managed them more like an archive of data.
What a beautiful strange tragic hopeful world Herbert created
i think you pretty much nailed it. you could argue for a more materialistic view, but i think that'll fall flat. mostly because I think Herbert was trying to get people to open their eyes, and look beyond the branch in their face.
I played this part, over and over and over.
When the Twisted Mentat was talking, some guy in the comment section broke down their language. It was so damn fascinating.
When I read this blurb, placed before the film properly begins, I did a double-take thinking HBOMax had pulled some sort of prank. "What does that mean? Why is it placed there? An epigraph but not where one would expect. And what's that chanting?" It however really resonates with me. So much so, I have it at top of my blog now.
When you dream ,most of the time you can break them down and see where they come from,but once in a while you have one that truly comes" from the deep" now is this your deepest subconscious? Or is someone somewhere in a different time trying to tell you something?
If I understand correctly the day this video came out is also the day that Dune 2 starts filming. Yah. And of course as always another great Dune video. Thanks for all the great insight.
I love that phrase; very Jungian
There's a lot of Carl G. Jung in Herbert's Dune!
when i saw this movie i was having weird dreams where someone from my past came back into my life. the message at the begining was telling me how me and this person would never really have peace and that distancing myself was the better choice.
I always hoped that the prescient voices that Paul hears is the God Emperor looking back through his memories.
Maybe someday we will get a full TV series that explores the God Emperor Dune.
I love your interpretation especially the Duke Leto II theory 👏👏
This is exactly what Qui Gon and Yoda reproofed Obiwan and Luke respectively. Where Qui Gon stressed to Obiwan not to despair over the future but to focus on the here and now and Yoda told Luke he looks into the past and the future but not what he was doing.
Hay Nerd Cookies could you do a vid on the dune tarot and how it effects Paul's prescience/the story? I'm currently listening to messiah on audio and your vids have helped me understand the story so far in so much more depth and the dune tarot is something I'd like to know more about. Thanks
Anato Finnstark's Dune artworks hit so hard
Paul’s Mentat training no doubt played a part in his singular grasp of prescience. I don’t recall any Navigators having such training. And his ‘trinocular vision’ is a way for one to create a reference in 3D space, two points make a line and three make a plane.
I don't understand why ppl compare navigators to prescience, navigators only see through space ,paths of safety,this is not having prescience,Paul sees both future and past big difference
@@jonathancox1231 navigators see into the future in a limited way, finding the safest possible path through space. They don’t see it the way the Atreides do.
Even though I can’t alway watch the full video due to me only finishing book 1 I love your ideas and how you present them
love ur channel, i have read, 1,2,3 twice and making my way to god emporer again, i am still learning more about the complexities and dynamics of this brilliant work, it is the most amazing book i have ever read, incredble, the mind of Frank Herbet is without parallel, the movie was incredible too. i love all his work, he is a gifted artist. cant wait for part 2, your breakdown of the hidden meanings in his book is fantastic, keep them coming. love the sardurkar. fanatics. the blood ritual is one of the best in the movie.
Someone pointed out to me that the sardaukar are like vikings,the atriedes warriors are like knights and the freman are like samurais!!
Your commentary in this excellent video was most impressive.
“HehMMM, ‘Bharhmmm, MBhaRirrrr.”
-Dreams are messages from the deep.
Awesome! I am overwhelmingly relieved by Denis' adaptation. I am such a "please be true to the book" snob when it comes to adaptations. Denis did a great job.
He had a lot, a metric tonne of "a lot", of material to put into 2.5 hours. 883 pages in my Ace edition, (counting the appendices through the afterward) of delectably deep psychological, anthropological and philosophical, writings. Not to mention stunning visuals. Which Denis' and Co. captured beautifully. Not to mention the sound. The sound was a tangible actor in this film in a visceral way, like it is in Jaws; but on a more epic scale.
I understand of course what it means to have an "adaptation"; and one's expectation cannot be a facsimile of the source novel. I see several items that Denis (mostly) subtly changed, but still did in a way that would at least convey much of the feeling elicited by those excluded scenes/narrations. I have a few, mostly small bones to pick, but that being said, I was puzzled by the choice to have that line spoken in a Sardaukar's voice. The line itself, I think does set the tone.
( I thought an even better example of tone setting came from the significantly altered portrayal of the Herald of the Change arriving on Caladan. "It's done." And that music hits you right after. That moment I thought, considering the time restraints, beautifully gave the viewers the tone and feel of a couple chapters worth of detail that was not going to fit.)
I do worry though, that people new to the story, will think of prescience as "magic". The line created a certain mystic right away. It sparks questions. I think there may have been just a pinch too much of referencing Paul's dreams. I mean he absolutely had dreams in which he did just as the Reverend Mother asked him. But I would have liked to have had more dialogue around teh idea of prescience.
Ultimately, perhaps this one component won't prove to be that important. I thought you had quite a good point though, about that possibly having been Leto II voice. He definitely knew all the languages.
Right when the herald of the change told duke Leto" it's done" a chill went down my spine!!
I've always loved how Herbert made a painful point to make sure the reader knows there is no magic in his worlds but human adaptation and mutation due to there environs!!!
@@jonathancox1231 I know what you mean! That moment, the lines between the two, the delivery of said lines, and the immediately following musical notes all came together and managed to convey quite a large portion of the early chapters. All in a moment.
"The smallest of actions, a wink of an eye, a careless word, a misplaced grain of sand, could theoretically snowball and avalanche, causing a mass shift in the universe."
Ian Malcolm: "Uh, that's, that's chaos theory."
"Who looks outside, dreams; who looks inside, awakes."
Carl Jung
Cheers.
There always seems to hint at a deeper layer of the universe in Dune. the mind could be attached to but it many offered just dreams to most in the Dune Universe.
I find it interesting that I could only know what the introductory statement was when I turned on closed captions. When I first watched the movie I had no idea what was being said.
Thank you for the cool content!
always great content....you bring glory to the Sardaukar ....
Yay lunchtime Dune Cookies!!!
Thanks elaine and nick. TH-cam behind in notifications yet again.
Nice video Elaine
It's the greatest opening scene in all of acifi
I have always felt that "The Deep" is a reference to Jungian philosophy. Herbert borrows a lot of overt concepts from Jung such as "Race Consciousness" or that we all share a common unconscious world that links all of humanity.
This is the "driving force of the Jihad" in the book. The need of humanity to mix bloodlines in order to continue human evolution and fight genetic stagnation is a strong through line of the series.
Jung uses this concept as a explanation for how sometimes one can "know" things that they shouldn't such as a twin "knowing" when their twin dies the moments that it happens. This is the base foundation on which Herbert built a lot of the "mystical" elements of the series on as well. Humanities powers only ever come from within humanity and it's own inventiveness.
In a way, Paul's dreams were foretelling his future throughout the story. Sometimes when a dream becomes reality, it can be a frightening experience!
Yes
Please tell me this from the movie is available as a ringtone ringtone
in my view, « the deep » would indeed refers to that part of the human psyche which is connected to the universe, and conveys to the individual this universal intelligence through irrational experiences such as intuitions, feelings, dreams, and the likes... but confusing this with the unconscious seems misleading... clearly, in such experiences there are considerations, such as overall timing, relevance, and often their very contents, which suggests that a higher order of intelligence is at work, one which by far transcends the scope of the individual psyche...
"..the deep" is intentionally vague - as are many phrases of spiritual enlightenment. Whenever we engage in introspection, we benefit. And we avoid that given our pitiful attention spans. Speaking of which... can you please expand on the term 'genetic memories' : does that mean accessing the (past) memories of blood relatives or the collective memories of everyone? That's a big difference as the latter would likely induce a coma, even for disciplined Reverend Mothers. Thanks for all you do!
Genetic memories are memories of anyone related to you,they in escence are locked in your d.n.a. when the worm god Leto 2 ND adheared the sandtrout to his skin he was in a way becoming spice !!!!
had this dream last night, any interpretations???:
i had a hair transplant from someone with red hair... and the hair color slowly turned back to black (original color) lol...
To think Duncan Idaho blew off Paul’s dream about his death
I think "The Deep" here means the deep/far future of humanity.
I love you, carry on.
my personal theory is that it's a voice from Paul's male ancestral memory. we hear a lot of his female memory voices in the rest of the movie, showing how they're generally easier to access and less mysterious to the bene gesserit than the male memories
I think being trained as a mentat is impor important
Im not positive but i think that line was a quote from a poem or a work of philosophy. I cant remember exactly but i heard it or read it before watching dune part one . ( maybe in college, ) its rings a bell . ( English or philosophy) you read so much its often a blur .
Still think I'd like to see someone one day do Jodorofskys (sp?) Version of DUNE. If you don't know there is a man named Alejandro Jodorofsky who was adapting DUNE back in the 80s. His vision for what this film could have been is incredible! I believe if Jodorofskys DUNE was made it would have came out a year or two before StarWars and I believed it would have overshadowed it. If you wanna see what I'm talking about there is an amazing doc about it called Jodorofskys DUNE. Thank me later 😃
He's a 10, but doesn't wear his stillsuit desert style
It could be something Jessica says when she takes the water of life to become the new reverend mother
Butterfly effect. Thanks on video.
The "Deep" is the place where Paul can go but Bene Gesserit cannot.
Her robot voice is unsettling.
Eastern philosophy is based in the idea that humans can vastly expand their mental capacities. My biggest irritation with the way it's handled in Dune is that people use these capabilities for power and control instead of to develop wisdom and compassion. I know you need it to make for an exciting story and whatever but really Frank?
I don't even remember this being in the movie. Unfortunately, it was not the superior adaptation that I had hoped for.
If you read the book no movie will ever compare,I read dune at 18, I'm 56 I've read everything related to dune,I've seen all the movies sci Fi series they will never live up to the books ,they can't