This video saved my life I have a 3 hour set I have to do by myself and I’ve been trying to figure out how to figures something out to play by myself and record it live without having to spend a fortune
Thanks a lot ! You really helped me to understand what to do and …lucky me I have exactly that mixer model …this made my life much easier !!!! Well done and thanks again !!
Thank you so much for this video! I have a Boss RC-300 and I've been having to use a separate looper for my electric guitar and keys since I didn't have enough inputs but now I have it hooked to my mixer, using 5 different instruments and it sounds great!!
Hey friend greetings I saw your comment about connecting the RC-300 to a console and having more channels to work with more instruments, I AM FROM NICARAGUA, THE CENTRAL AMERICA and I wanted to ask you how you did and how you made the connection, I still have an RC- 300 and I want to connect it to the console, I would really appreciate your help
that's gold, man... scratching my head today trying to hook up my ditto looper to my xenyx 1002fx. indeed, using the "fx send" creates a mess i didn't know how to address - and also not perpetuating the mixer effects in the looper. tomorrow I'll try your genius method, thanks a lot.
Cool idea!!! Btw, you were talking about not having as much control when using the send/return but imho you would have more control. Plug your instruments in the appropriate channels, connect fx send from mixer to looper input, connect looper output (two cables) to a free input stereo channel and send the main output of the mixer to two speakers. What is the disadvantage of that? You can then even control which instruments go through the looper and which ones dont.
That certainly works fine and may be preferable for your application. But you would have to make two separate mixes: one for looper using fx sends and one for mains using faders. This is not necessarily disadvantageous. It all depends on how you wish to use and control your inputs. I specifically meant that you would have more control over the return signal if run through a stereo channel than run through an fx return.
Really useful video dude. I have the same mixer and you've confirmed what I was thinking would happen with the Alt 3/4 mix :) Just about to get an RC-300 to see what kinda set up I can create :)
Hi there. I'm about to get the rc-500 next month (can't back down on the deal) and my mixer doesn't have an aux channel, just the FX (MG10XUF by Yamaha). Luckily the mic and guitar are not stereo and I'm using a Bose S1 speaker. But if I wanted to use two active speakers? The one thing that comes to my mind is plug mic and guitar (e.g., ch1 and 3), get the signal to the RC-500 via monitor out, then from the looper back into the mixer to a free chanel. In the end the speakers would be connected to main out. Read somewhere that that's a great way to bust your speakers. Can you tell me if you tried this method or if it's true? Thank you for the video. Take care
I happen to have a MG10XUF at the moment, and I have 3 solutions for you. The first will only work mono. The second and third will work mono or stereo but will be described for stereo operation; to run mono in either 2) or 3), use only the L inputs/outputs. I recommend method 2). 1) Apply method 1 as in the video. That is, send stereo out R to RC500 and stereo out L to Bose S1. Send output of RC500 into the L input of any one of the stereo channels (5/6, 7/8 or 9/10), and pan this channel all the way L. Then pan all channels that you want to feed into the RC500 all the way R. 2) Send Stereo Outs to RC500. Send RC500 outputs to 9/10 with the line/USB button out/up (for line input operation) and the To Mon/To ST button out/up (sending signal to Monitor). Now connect Monitor Outs to Bose S1 with the Stereo Mute button on Monitor/Phones knob in/down (to mute the ST group from the Monitor out). If this button is left up, then you will get double signals from Monitor out--one from the ST and one from 9/10; this is not preferable. The Stereo fader will now control the signal sent to the RC500, and the Monitor/Phones knob will control the output to the Speakers (Bose S1). The 9/10 channel fader will control the level sent to the Monitor group, preferably set to Unity or 0. 3) Similar to 2) but with Stereo Outs going to speakers and Monitor outs going to RC500, and with this method there is no way to prevent the doubling of the signal as in 2). In other words the ST out will have the original signal plus the signal going through the loop pedal. Send Stereo Outs to speakers. Send Monitor Outs to RC500. Send RC500 outputs to 9/10 with the Line/USB button up/out and the To Mon/To ST button in/down. Also you will need the Stereo Mute button out/up in order to send the ST signal to the Monitor Outs to the looper. The cleanest method will be 2), Method 1) will work well also. Concerning connecting multiple S1 speakers together (or other powered speakers): In order to hook two or more speakers together in MONO, daisy chain them; connect sound signal into channel 1, with the tone match switch to OFF (this will be for LINE level operation like the signal coming from a mixer), then connect the LINE OUT from the first speaker to channel 1 of the second speaker, and so on. Concerning busting the speakers...Most damage to equipment comes from improper operation. Take care not to input too much signal into the speaker. The S1 has an indicator light that will flash RED when the signal is clipping. If the light is RED, then you must reduce the signal feeding the speaker i.e. from the mixer. As long as you do not clip the signal or allow feedback or similar frequencies to perpetuate for some time, then the speaker should last a long time. The output from the mixer feeding the speaker should not exceed Unity or 0. I also recommend that the volume on the speaker be set and kept at 12:00 or in the middle for optimum performance. Adjust the overall volume from the mixer fader/knob feeding the speaker.
@ElPapi dude... Thank you so very much... I mean, what more could I ask for? A few things just to clarify, I think it will really help other people; the option #3 was in fact the 1st that came to my mind but as you pointed out it's very flawed because I can't assign a specific channel to the monitor output. Watching a sound engineer's channel (ketter something if I'm not mistaken but not that hard to find, just Google for Yamaha MG10XUF => videos and those will come up) the dude spoke of a feature that the MG10UFX has and the MG10XU doesn't, that's the PFL. According to him you can assign channels to the phones output of your choosing. Bare in mind that I haven't tested!!! So it got me thinking that if I'd connect the mic to ch #1 and guitar to ch #3 and then toggle those PFL feature on, only those 2 channels would be out. Then I could run that output into the RC500 and from it back to a mixer's channel (let's take ch #2 as an example). In that fashion there wouldn't be any loop, so in theory the mic and guitar would be FX processed before getting into the looper (which is what is wanted), then assuming that there wouldn't be a significant lag, it made some sense in my mind. As for the blown equipment, I can't really tell you where I read about this matter but the principle behind it it's an electronic one. So according to that person (which unfortunately didn't take note) the signal would have polarity, meaning that an outputed signal getting back to the mixer would create some sort of short circuit which in term would make my speakers blow on spot. What are your thoughts on that? Lastly I thought of simply place the rc500 between the mixer and the speakers by simply connect the stereo output (mono in the case of using just one speaker) into the instrument input of the rc500 and then from the output of it to the speaker(s). The thing is, would the rc500 cope with the amount of signal from the mixer? Again, what are your thoughts on this? And once again sir, thank you so much. Respect!
@@nunomiguelgomes2713 PFL stands for Pre Fader Level. It is used for gain staging (signal input gain metering or level set) purposes before the fader but post EQ. It is not intended to be used as a routing or as a bus/group send. Option 3) is not terrible and will work but you'll just have two of the same signal coming out of the ST outs. This will make it sound louder, and it can create some undesirable phase issues. Furthermore, sending a signal out of then back into a mixer through a pedal or device with a DAC (digital analog converter), will produce a small lag, though it should be less than 2ms, which for practical purposes is negligible. Remember that electrons travel near the speed of light, which is why you don't hear a delay when sending them through a cable from your guitar to an amp or mixer. What does cause signal lag is the conversion from Analog to Digital then back from Digital to Analog. But as stated before, this lag is minimal. Blowing the speakers as you've stated is rubbish. I've not blown the first one yet. What will damage speakers is sending the speaker excessive frequencies that it is not made to handle, like those caused from feedback and input clipping distortion. Connecting the RC500 between the mixer and your output speakers is certainly an option, but it will have its own limitations and drawbacks. For instance, volume control sent to the speaker will now have to be adjusted from the RC500, because increasing the master fader feeding the RC500 may clip its input. And typically these units are designed to be run in chain with other pedals and have an instrument level output, which may not be loud enough to be amplified by powered speakers without an input selection switch as the S1. Would the RC500 cope with the signal from the mixer? The outputs of a mixer are mostly all LINE level at +4dB, so if it can handle it in the aforementioned situations then it can handle it. What is important to note when chaining or connecting pieces of equipment together is gain staging at every device. That is, be sure that the output signal from one device is not overloading or clipping the input of the next.
so i have the x1622 and you just help me figure out at least 50% more of my mixer. But mine does seem to have a few more buttons for some more advanced options it seems. Im even able to divide the sub 1 and 2 into left and right individually
Thanks a lot for your help! Until this video, when I changed my setup, it affected my looper - that is, I couldn't hear and record loops in my RC30. Looping is essential to what I do for my livestreams, so this video really helped me get my looper back in my audio chain even with my recent setup change.
Thank you so much, my friend. I have the exact same mixer and the exact same loopstation and your video really helped me set them up. Now I can loop with multiple mics and really experiment with my music. Thanks again!
Papi, if you use the send and return feature of your mixing board, you can send the signal to the looper and return it to a dedicated channel so you can control the volume on the board and still use the remaining channels for multiple inputs. This allows you to send a stereo signal to your main PA speakers.
From what I've read online, and tried, using aux is another way to get this type of sub mixing effect. I send my instruments to aux 1/2, aux out to looper, looper to channel inputs so only the looper gets heard in the monitor output
True. I address this in the description. Either is fine. With this method you don’t have to create 2 different mixes. However, using Aux outputs may be preferable for certain applications.
@@Artemago Ah I see that now, thanks. Do you know if most mixers come with alt outputs? I'm a bit confused why some mixers choose to include those vs aux
Aux outs are quite standard on mixers and are either pre(fader) or post(fader). Pre aux sends are normally used for monitor mixes so that moving the fader won’t affect the monitor mix. Post aux sends are typically used for outboard processing such as FX, EQ, etc., so that moving the fader will also affect the signal being sent to the processor(s). Alt outputs are similar to subgroup outs, except that you can usually assign a channel to the main output and subgroup output(s) simultaneously. The XENYX X1204USB mixer you see here does not allow you to simultaneously send the signal to the main outs and Alt outs. Yet you could use the Alt outs as a subgroup by routing the Alt outs into an Aux return to get it to the mains. There are a variety of mixers, but most do the same thing-combine (mix) and route audio signals. Normally mixers of this size and larger do have at least one stereo subgroup or one stereo alt out. I think this is a fantastic analog mixer. It has lots of flexible routing options and features at this price point.
I have a cheaper mixer without separate fader controls for main left and right outputs. I will try this config out but it means I will need to control the inputs and the outputs more carefully to ensure a good mix of levels. I will make sure to buy mixers with left and right stereo faders going forward.
Even some top notch mixers have only one Main fader. In that case you will be obligated to send equal signals to both L and R channel outputs. I do like having individual controls for the L and R mains
Good Idea. Thank you for this interesting tutorial. I want to do it in a same way. Need this also for live perfomance, only playing guitar tunes and vocal`s,... in live real time. Synchronizing a Linie 6 Looper with the MIDI Drum machine. Does it make sense? Is this necessary? Sorry, my english is not good. Hope you understand. Regards from Steve Germany
If the midi drum machine is a separate device than the looper, then , yes, they would need be synchronized. Otherwise if you set a drum beat and press the loop pedal even just a fraction of a second off beat, then this difference would increase more and more every time the loop came around until they were off time.
thanks for posting this. ive been running my signal to the looper from the fx send and running all kinds of problems with the levels. ill give this a try
I also tried running through aux/fx sends with poor results. The stereo L-R method should work if you only plan on running mono. If you have a sub/alt output on your mixer you can also try my second method. And if you have any questions or problems, drop me a line, and I'll be glad to help if I can.
Hi! I'm using studio monitors for my setup and im figuring out how to connect two speakers with a similar design. You have any idea how or where to plug in the second one? Thanks so much, everything else works perfect!
You should send both right and left main outputs to the looper pedal in other to record a stereo audio from the mixer. You can do that either connecting to cables in control room outputs or by a split Y cable from phones output using a stereo 1/4 inch plug at one side and 2 mono 1/4 inch plugs at the the others right/left sides of the Y split cable. The way you connected will send a mono audio to the looper.
I am aware. The problem with the setup you propose is that the main out, control/phones out, and 2 track out are all the same. So if you run any of these back into the board, you will be doubling the original input signals which are already going out to the main outs directly. In order to run stereo, and avoid this issue, the board will have to have 2 sub outputs. Or use method 2 in this video, but use both sub outs for L and R stereo.
In further review of your video I am going to not go through the effects aux channels. Thanks again for your knowledge and skills of looping using a mixer. 👍👍
Very good video thanks for the information. Please explain why you went to the second method of routing. Was that because you were able to use effects with the second method but not with first?
Effects can be used in both methods and can be applied either before the looper per input channel or to the loop return channel as a whole (or both simultaneously). Using the second method, particularly with this board, allows me to easily switch what goes to looper or what goes straight to Main by pressing the Mute/Alt3-4 button. Usually when playing a lead or solo, I send the guitar straight to Main. It sounds a bit better-punchier-and avoids going thru the processing of the pedal. I can also choose to send the effects to Alt 3/4 or main with the FX routing switch which allows me to apply the FX pre looper or post looper. And, routing thru Alt3-4, allows for stereo operation.
Hi really good video. I’ve got the same mixer and use the same technique using alt 3 4 into my looper. So does using that switch solve the problem with the effects? Not sure Thanks. P.s. I don’t really use the effects on the mixer so hadnt come across that problem but your right it does seem wierd.
And here's what I'm thinking right now, I could connect mic and guitar to the rc-500 and send each signal to a different channel. And though the recording on the looper would be FX free, the sound on the speakers would be FX processed right? To live performance purpose would it make a difference to the audience? And to me of course? Since I'm using only one speaker (Bose S1). Ty
Yes. The RC500 is made to handle a mic input and an instrument input. You could certainly hook up your mic and guitar to the RC500 then send the output to a stereo channel on the mixer. You are correct that the loop itself will not have effect processing but you can add these after which will only make a slight difference for live performances. The difference between doing this as opposed to method 2) as discussed is that you will forego having individual EQs and channel options for the mic and guitar that are on the mixer. You will only be able to add EQ and FX to the signal from the RC500 asa whole. It’s really a matter of taste at this point and how much control you want of your signal and where.
Hola amigo la verdad un trucazo! Tengo un boss cr3 y tenia el problema de conectarlo con 2 sonido diferentes y tenia que ecualizar todo rapido par el loop. Con esto me ahora tener que comprar un loop mas costoso, muchas graciasssssssss
I just bought a usb802 - such a cheap price but will this work on that behringer model,? Appreciate your help…sorry i don’t have cables yet to try to achieve this…but it is what I am looking to do… thanks
I think the 802 is a great little mixer for the price. You will be able to use method 1 in the video. But note that this method will only work in MONO.
I have two Bose S1 pro speakers and a Behringer QX2222USB mixer. I am looking on purchasing a boss rc-5 looping pedal but am i able to connect the two speakers to the mixer via the two XLR cables and then connect the looper pedal to that style of mixer? Just wondering before I purchase the loop pedal. Thanks 👍
Hi man, good one. Yet, may I ask you why dont you go directly from the output of the looper straight into the speaker? For ex, I want to put a mute switch on one of the Rc-1 inputs and that makes it a two tracks looper.
You can certainly put the looper between the mixer and the speaker. But I wanted to have more control over the loop signal and it’s routing, so I ran it back into the mixer.
Hey Papi, first thanks so much for your videos. I wish you could insert a quick handmade diagram. I totally new at looping, so I just got my Boss RC-1, I want to do the same hook-up with my mixer, but my Mixer is a Mackie ProFx10V3, it does not have "Alt 3-4 Outputs". Any suggestion? As you mentioned, I could use the Control Room outputs but, I use those to hear what I am recording. Any suggestion? Thanks. JCC
You have a couple of options with the profx10: 1) Run mono as in method 1 in the video. 2) Add the loop pedal after the main outs in between the mixer and your output device.
The hook up for the RC 50 is the same as the RC 1 that is in the video. According to what I see online of the back panel of the RC 50 (I don't have one), I would hook it up like this: MAIN OUTPUT R(MONO) of RC 50 to any open mixer channel line input and INPUT INST R(MONO) of RC 50 to MIXER MONO OUTPUT (L or R, whichever is NOT going to speakers). This will only work for a MONO signal setup which is fine for most live performance situations.
so, would you say that with a mixer and this RC-5, could I make live concerts making vocal layers, looping them, while playing a playback track? Im a singer who does mainly voice layers creating atmospheric music with it and i was considering the loop station Boss RC505, but was a bit more than my budget right now, and since i dont have yet a mixer, i thought to do exacly this you are doing, to get me one RC-5, plug it into the mixer and from the mixer with the microphone, create live the vocal layers. and I do play guitar sometimes, so in this format such as yours, can work as well with other instruments. thanks.
Yes, you can do as you say by using a mixer. Hook up the loop pedal as suggested, then connect your playback track to any other channel or the tape in. Keep in mind, though, that you will be limited to just one loop with infinite layers. You will be able to add layer upon layer and undo the last layer added, but you will not be able to start/stop particular layers. To do this, you will need a multi track looper, or you can sync two rc5 together.
@@Artemago yes, I realized that wont be like a multitrack looper, but i guess for what i need right now, the RC5 will do the trick. Thank you very much for the answer.
I just plug the mixer out (left) into the instrument in (Left) on the loop and send the signal from the main output (Left) on the loop pedal straight to the speaker. full control over everything on the mixing desk. The only difference I can see is the volume on the looper turns down everything but I don't have a problem with that. I am using a Boss RC-300. I could even have another another out from the desk (right) going to the right in on the loop and a lead out of right on the pedal going to another speaker. Full pan stereo. Am I missing something?
With your setup, you limit the output routing of your loop pedal to only what you plug it into. On the other hand, by routing the loop pedal back into the mixer, you can then send the signal to multiple paths via the mixer’s outputs.
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I’m not sure I understand the question. But it sounds like you want to use your fender amp as an effects processor? If so, then you can likely accomplish this by using the phones out, but you’ll need some adapters, specifically a stereo 1/8” to 1/4” and maybe a splitter.
Thank you for the video! I've learned a lot! I have a question. I got a 1202fx paired with a Ditto X2. I notice when adding more than 2 overdubs, a significant drop in the quality of.the overall loop. I notice you use the XLR outputs. Mine only has 1/4". Also, my mains control is only one slider, where your mains are controlled with separate sliders. Any help is greatly appreciated Thanks for channel!
Ok. I used the xlr outputs from the mixer because that was my only option for the main outs, and I had to use a xlr->1/4” cable to connect my loop pedal because of this. The 1/4” main outs on the 1202fx will do just fine. Since you don’t have independent faders for L and R mains, then the one fader is going to send equal levels to both L and R. This is not such a big deal except that the signal sent to looper will have to be the same level as the signal going to the mains. What kind of lower quality are you getting? Volume? Distortion? Noise? All?
I did not address this in the video, but keep in mind that guitar pedals are meant to receive a Hi Z instrument level signal, whereas the outputs of pro audio are typically Lo Z line level. The impedance difference should not be that big of a problem. The level difference, though, can be enough to overload the pedal for it not to work properly. Basically the signal feeding the guitar pedal may be too hot (loud). This will usually translate to distortion or poor quality sound. You may be able to compensate by decreasing the level feeding the pedal from the main fader, but because this also simultaneously controls the other main out, the level there will decrease also. To use guitar pedals more seamlessly with line level signals, a reamp box is used. This device converts loZ balanced line level to hiZ unbalanced instrument level. But they are somewhat pricey. Some pedal manufacturers will accept line level no problem (boss is one); others will not. I am unsure about TC electronics as I don’t have one.
@@Artemago the sound I was getting was an increase in loudness and thinning of sound. I ended up getting an older mixer that has both XLR and 1/4" . Although the XLR out is "Mix" and the 1/4" , "Monitor Out". Which one should go to which? Btw, my mixer is going out to a PA. Thanks so much for your help! My deepest apologies for my late response. I ended up getting an older model- Soundcraft Spirit E6
@@michaelcurry8497 I looked up this mixer and manual. According to the schematic the Monitor outs and Mix outs are the same but controlled by different knobs/fader. So, either could be used.
Very helpful thank you. One question. Would it work if I connected some effects pedals to the Boss RC-1 and then sent the signal from the last pedal back to the mixer? So basically the same type of setup just with a few extra pedals connected to each oher. I dig the tapestry by the way. Reminds me of the youtuber IcarusFourEightOh
Should work fine. Though some guitar pedals are not designed to accept balanced line level signals and may not sound good. Most newer pedals, especially Boss, are able to handle line level no problem. This technique would work with many types of devices and pedals. Just try it out!
@@nickgerard8564 Unfortunately not. A DI box transforms unbalanced line level to balanced mic level. Mic level is lower than instrument level. The device you would need is known as a Reamp box. But they may be pricey. I have tried a few setups and have had no problems with any of my pedals running a line level input. I would try it first to see how it sounds, what works/doesn’t work. Then modify as necessary. One thing to consider, though, is maintaining a consistent level throughout the chain -that the signal is the same (or similar) volume before the pedal chain and after the pedal chain and similar between each pedal. This is especially important if the pedal has its own volume knob. Good luck!
Thanks for this video. How did you decide on the mixer? I am looking to get the one you have or the Behringer Qx 1222. Did you consider that one? Also are you recording? If so what are you using?
@@jetwoman10001 Both the 1204 and 1222 are good choices. The QX is the newer version of the X. The 1222 is slightly more robust with 6 mic pres and graphic EQ. I would choose depending on how many inputs you need as they both have similar routing options, and the application for which you will use the mixer. Questions to ask yourself: Will you only be recording? Mixing live shows? Do you need to record multitrack? I do record but do not use these mixers for such. I use a different rig with a designated audio interface for recording. I use these mixers for live performance. I have recorded a couple of live performances with these mixers with good results but keep in mind that the USB output is only a stereo out; in other words, you do not get individual tracks per channel or multitrack recording; the output is the Main LR mix.
@@Artemago Thank you so much for answering so quickly and in such detail. My first goal with all this was to use a looper with the mixer and layer two or three instruments. I play Native American style flute and wanted to play against looped guitar, keyboard. Flute will be miked in. Really don’t know where going with it at all. Mostly will use reverb or hall effects. I would prefer a smaller board ie the QX usb 1204. I think it would be enough for what i am describing. I do understand about the single track recording vs. multi if i ever got into that. Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Claro que si! Simplemente conecta el pedal a tu boss, y conecta el boss como en el video. Aqui estamos poniendo el mixer como input, en vez de poner solo un instrumento. Saludos!
Hey man ! I’ve got an electro voice evolve 30m and rc 505 mk2 . And to be honest can’t loop multiple instruments using instruments in mixer . Can you at least tell me if that even possible without another mixer ? Thanks
Another mixer is not needed for what you want to do. The RC505 mk2 is a 5 track looper/mixer. It has 2 Mic inputs and 2 stereo instrument inputs. With the 505 as a mixer/input device and the evolve 30m for output, you have all you need to loop multiple instruments and listen to it. Learning how to use a multi-track looping device, or any electronic equipment for that matter, takes time. And if you have not read the user manual for the 505 or the 30m, then I strongly suggest doing so. I have learned much from reading and studying the user manuals for the devices that I have used throughout the years.
Turning the effects is essentially like creating a bus I don’t think is a design flaw I think it actually gives more control because you can effectively mute the dry signal and you can potentially use that track like a bus. Great video btw! Ty!!
Thank you so much, I was looking for this exact way! One question though, while recording a new loop on your guitar, wouldn't you have to mute the mic input, so that the looper doesn't get both the guitar sound and the mic sound? Awesome video :)
Thanks for the video. I got the Xenyx 1002 and I plan to connect my loopstation like that: Xenyx CONTROL OUT -> LOOPSTATION INPUT-> LOOPSTATION OUTPUT -> any free channel on the mixer. Could it works ? Thanks
Should work like you said. Just be mindful about which side L or R you are sending your signals and connect accordingly. The control room knob will then control how much is being sent back into the mixer on your open channel.
@@lecapitole5663 Looking at the 1002 it appears not. You could certainly hook it up in stereo but then your mains will have the signals from the original channels PLUS the signal coming from the looper into a channel; this will essentially double the signal. To run stereo you will need a mixer with groups or sub outputs that can be selected so that you can control where the output of each channel is going. You will, however be able to run it mono in your setup utilizing the pan to separate the signals
And, If running stereo, the channel with the loop which is fed from control room will be sending itself back to the control room creating a feedback loop. Separating input and output signals by using the L and R channels will be your only option with this mixer, but this means your signal will be mono
So if you want to record on the Behringer you record in MONO in the first method and stereo in the second? Also, do these setups change if your signal goes out to an amp?
If using the first method you will be restricted to only one output so mono will be your only option. If using the second method you certainly could record stereo by using both the R and L outputs
If output is going to amp be aware that main mixer outputs are LINE level so be sure your amp can receive line level inputs. With both of these setups you can output the mixer signal to whatever device you want-monitor, powered speaker, recording interface, another mixer, etc
@@Artemago I have a line level knob on my AMP and a LINE output- which i have never used apparently. What should i do with them? Thanks for taking the time to respond , brother.
@@jjjj2114 what you do with them depends on what you are trying to accomplish. I’m not sure what you’re trying to do so it’s hard for me to say. What’s your setup? What are you hooking up?
Incredible, you are a master, greetings from Nicaragua, Central America, I wanted to know how to connect an RC-300 to the 1202fx console and make all the channels LOOP, using the FX, but without losing the effects of the console, just bring the loop signal to the console, I don't know if I make myself understood, bring the loop pedal signal to the console, but continue using the effects of this same console, I would appreciate your help
Hola amigo. With the 1202fx you will be limited to using method 1 as in the video. If you try to use FX send then this will bypass the onboard FX which I think you don’t want to do. Instead use the stereo panning to split the signal as desired as shown in the vid
@@Artemago Thank you very much Friend, for taking the time to respond... The best option would be to use one output from the MAIN OUT and the other would be to send and bring and pan to one side, and with this it would not affect the effects of the Mix, right? ?? I think that would be the thing hahaha...
@@abelgeovannygarcialopez3941 This will definitely work BUT only in MONO. To achieve stereo looping and effects, you will need a more capable mixer. The effects will work for each input channel as in the video but they will be mono. Test it out. A ver que pasa. Dime como te fue
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Coño papi thanks... Finally I understand how to do that hack... Working perfectly both instructions... But am not sure the difference between the hack.. 😐
Yes it does. You can use these methods to hook up any type of external pedal or processor. Though, if I were using the VE20, I would probably hook my mic straight into it then out to the board.
@@Artemago I don’t think they sell them anymore, but I found a 2pack on ebay they look like they should fit. Any chance you know what bulbs fit behind the instrument panel?
@@Artemago omg thanks for reply. Yeah its a spark 40 guitar amp. Im just confused where your guitar sound comes from is it just plugged directly into the mixer and if i want to get my amp sound integrated into this setup how to do that? Sorry im new to this
I’m using an acoustic guitar with a preamp built in which provides a line level signal out and can be plugged directly into the mixer line in. I’m assuming you have an electric guitar. From what I can tell, the Spark 40 has no line out, so in order to get the sounds of the amp, it will have to be mic’d. You could use a DI box to get the guitar signal into the mixer directly, but this will be a clean signal straight from the guitar without amp tones. To get the tone of the amp, you will need to mic it.
@@mugzycuts706 hmmm. Could be done using the L and R channels in method 1 but then you would have only one channel as input and the other channel as return for loop. This mixer appears to have only two outputs, master 1 & 2, which are the same. This provides very limited routing options
You keep saying that you are sending it out to the mains… mains being plural which would be more than one. You are only sending a signal to a main. One speaker.
This is nonsense Papi and not well thought through. 😝 Try this: Connect the Alt3/4-outputs to the stereo inputs of the RC-1 looper. Connect both outputs of the looper to Aux-Returns of the mixer. And finally connect the mixer‘s main outputs to preferably two speakers. With this setup you‘re not sacrificing the stereo capabilities and you will have a signal on both ears using headphones. Also you can use all 6 channels of the mixer board. This will come in handy in live situations and when people are more talented than you. Also if they have a better looper (because they are more talented and make more money). 😁 If you want to record a track, just press the Mute3/4 button. If you want to record effects, just press the corresponding button. This is also failsafe, as you can‘t create feedback loops, as with your first suggestion. And once you learned a little more and earn more money, go get a multi track looper. This setup will work as well, even though you will want to go directly to the speakers from the loop station, as you can control the volume with a foot controller. 😀
Papi Your video is very good I and most everyone else appreciates the information however if what Richard Irvins is saying is true that would be helpful to know. Even if he’s not being so gracious if there’s a better way of doing it that’s the objective right?
I tried his method with the same mixture you have and I can’t get it to work. But that may be because there’s more information I need. Have you tried his (Richard Ervin’s)method and does it work for you?
Richard Ervin’s I’ve tried your method using the same Behringer mixer and I’m not getting the loop to come through. What am I missing here? Sorry I’m a bit of a beginner with Lupe.
@@stevemaxmusic This suggestion is essentially equivalent to method 2. He suggests using a stereo Aux return for the loop return signal instead of using a stereo channel for the loop return. Surely, both work; however, using a stereo channel provides more control over the return signal.
This video saved my life I have a 3 hour set I have to do by myself and I’ve been trying to figure out how to figures something out to play by myself and record it live without having to spend a fortune
The best parts of this are when you've layed down a loop and then you get excited and smile because you like it! Thanks for the tutorial!
Thanks a lot !
You really helped me to understand what to do and …lucky me I have exactly that mixer model …this made my life much easier !!!!
Well done and thanks again !!
Thank you so much for this video! I have a Boss RC-300 and I've been having to use a separate looper for my electric guitar and keys since I didn't have enough inputs but now I have it hooked to my mixer, using 5 different instruments and it sounds great!!
Hey friend greetings I saw your comment about connecting the RC-300 to a console and having more channels to work with more instruments, I AM FROM NICARAGUA, THE CENTRAL AMERICA and I wanted to ask you how you did and how you made the connection, I still have an RC- 300 and I want to connect it to the console, I would really appreciate your help
dude thanks i just got this set up and have been trying to figure it out on my own for a while now!
Just used this with my Ditto and old Tascam 246! Incredible tip my friend!
Fantastic information man, I was racking my brain trying to think of solutions for my looping issues and you made it super clear. Thank you!
Bro! You just changed my whole world. 🙏
Great video.. You can explain things very well...
Really useful, really clear, not least because of how you showed problem-solving workarounds. Thanks.
that's gold, man... scratching my head today trying to hook up my ditto looper to my xenyx 1002fx. indeed, using the "fx send" creates a mess i didn't know how to address - and also not perpetuating the mixer effects in the looper. tomorrow I'll try your genius method, thanks a lot.
This video is exactly what I was looking for. I even have the same mixer. Thank you!
Cool idea!!! Btw, you were talking about not having as much control when using the send/return but imho you would have more control. Plug your instruments in the appropriate channels, connect fx send from mixer to looper input, connect looper output (two cables) to a free input stereo channel and send the main output of the mixer to two speakers. What is the disadvantage of that? You can then even control which instruments go through the looper and which ones dont.
That certainly works fine and may be preferable for your application. But you would have to make two separate mixes: one for looper using fx sends and one for mains using faders. This is not necessarily disadvantageous. It all depends on how you wish to use and control your inputs. I specifically meant that you would have more control over the return signal if run through a stereo channel than run through an fx return.
Thank you so much!
This set up is a life saver!
Really useful video dude. I have the same mixer and you've confirmed what I was thinking would happen with the Alt 3/4 mix :) Just about to get an RC-300 to see what kinda set up I can create :)
thanks bud I have a boss rc 500 and just purchased the same mixer to give it a go!
Hi there. I'm about to get the rc-500 next month (can't back down on the deal) and my mixer doesn't have an aux channel, just the FX (MG10XUF by Yamaha). Luckily the mic and guitar are not stereo and I'm using a Bose S1 speaker. But if I wanted to use two active speakers? The one thing that comes to my mind is plug mic and guitar (e.g., ch1 and 3), get the signal to the RC-500 via monitor out, then from the looper back into the mixer to a free chanel. In the end the speakers would be connected to main out. Read somewhere that that's a great way to bust your speakers. Can you tell me if you tried this method or if it's true? Thank you for the video. Take care
I happen to have a MG10XUF at the moment, and I have 3 solutions for you. The first will only work mono. The second and third will work mono or stereo but will be described for stereo operation; to run mono in either 2) or 3), use only the L inputs/outputs. I recommend method 2).
1) Apply method 1 as in the video. That is, send stereo out R to RC500 and stereo out L to Bose S1. Send output of RC500 into the L input of any one of the stereo channels (5/6, 7/8 or 9/10), and pan this channel all the way L. Then pan all channels that you want to feed into the RC500 all the way R.
2) Send Stereo Outs to RC500. Send RC500 outputs to 9/10 with the line/USB button out/up (for line input operation) and the To Mon/To ST button out/up (sending signal to Monitor). Now connect Monitor Outs to Bose S1 with the Stereo Mute button on Monitor/Phones knob in/down (to mute the ST group from the Monitor out). If this button is left up, then you will get double signals from Monitor out--one from the ST and one from 9/10; this is not preferable. The Stereo fader will now control the signal sent to the RC500, and the Monitor/Phones knob will control the output to the Speakers (Bose S1). The 9/10 channel fader will control the level sent to the Monitor group, preferably set to Unity or 0.
3) Similar to 2) but with Stereo Outs going to speakers and Monitor outs going to RC500, and with this method there is no way to prevent the doubling of the signal as in 2). In other words the ST out will have the original signal plus the signal going through the loop pedal.
Send Stereo Outs to speakers. Send Monitor Outs to RC500. Send RC500 outputs to 9/10 with the Line/USB button up/out and the To Mon/To ST button in/down. Also you will need the Stereo Mute button out/up in order to send the ST signal to the Monitor Outs to the looper.
The cleanest method will be 2), Method 1) will work well also.
Concerning connecting multiple S1 speakers together (or other powered speakers): In order to hook two or more speakers together in MONO, daisy chain them; connect sound signal into channel 1, with the tone match switch to OFF (this will be for LINE level operation like the signal coming from a mixer), then connect the LINE OUT from the first speaker to channel 1 of the second speaker, and so on.
Concerning busting the speakers...Most damage to equipment comes from improper operation. Take care not to input too much signal into the speaker. The S1 has an indicator light that will flash RED when the signal is clipping. If the light is RED, then you must reduce the signal feeding the speaker i.e. from the mixer. As long as you do not clip the signal or allow feedback or similar frequencies to perpetuate for some time, then the speaker should last a long time. The output from the mixer feeding the speaker should not exceed Unity or 0. I also recommend that the volume on the speaker be set and kept at 12:00 or in the middle for optimum performance. Adjust the overall volume from the mixer fader/knob feeding the speaker.
@ElPapi dude... Thank you so very much... I mean, what more could I ask for? A few things just to clarify, I think it will really help other people; the option #3 was in fact the 1st that came to my mind but as you pointed out it's very flawed because I can't assign a specific channel to the monitor output.
Watching a sound engineer's channel (ketter something if I'm not mistaken but not that hard to find, just Google for Yamaha MG10XUF => videos and those will come up) the dude spoke of a feature that the MG10UFX has and the MG10XU doesn't, that's the PFL. According to him you can assign channels to the phones output of your choosing. Bare in mind that I haven't tested!!! So it got me thinking that if I'd connect the mic to ch #1 and guitar to ch #3 and then toggle those PFL feature on, only those 2 channels would be out. Then I could run that output into the RC500 and from it back to a mixer's channel (let's take ch #2 as an example). In that fashion there wouldn't be any loop, so in theory the mic and guitar would be FX processed before getting into the looper (which is what is wanted), then assuming that there wouldn't be a significant lag, it made some sense in my mind.
As for the blown equipment, I can't really tell you where I read about this matter but the principle behind it it's an electronic one. So according to that person (which unfortunately didn't take note) the signal would have polarity, meaning that an outputed signal getting back to the mixer would create some sort of short circuit which in term would make my speakers blow on spot. What are your thoughts on that?
Lastly I thought of simply place the rc500 between the mixer and the speakers by simply connect the stereo output (mono in the case of using just one speaker) into the instrument input of the rc500 and then from the output of it to the speaker(s). The thing is, would the rc500 cope with the amount of signal from the mixer? Again, what are your thoughts on this?
And once again sir, thank you so much. Respect!
@@nunomiguelgomes2713 PFL stands for Pre Fader Level. It is used for gain staging (signal input gain metering or level set) purposes before the fader but post EQ. It is not intended to be used as a routing or as a bus/group send.
Option 3) is not terrible and will work but you'll just have two of the same signal coming out of the ST outs. This will make it sound louder, and it can create some undesirable phase issues. Furthermore, sending a signal out of then back into a mixer through a pedal or device with a DAC (digital analog converter), will produce a small lag, though it should be less than 2ms, which for practical purposes is negligible. Remember that electrons travel near the speed of light, which is why you don't hear a delay when sending them through a cable from your guitar to an amp or mixer. What does cause signal lag is the conversion from Analog to Digital then back from Digital to Analog. But as stated before, this lag is minimal.
Blowing the speakers as you've stated is rubbish. I've not blown the first one yet. What will damage speakers is sending the speaker excessive frequencies that it is not made to handle, like those caused from feedback and input clipping distortion.
Connecting the RC500 between the mixer and your output speakers is certainly an option, but it will have its own limitations and drawbacks. For instance, volume control sent to the speaker will now have to be adjusted from the RC500, because increasing the master fader feeding the RC500 may clip its input. And typically these units are designed to be run in chain with other pedals and have an instrument level output, which may not be loud enough to be amplified by powered speakers without an input selection switch as the S1.
Would the RC500 cope with the signal from the mixer? The outputs of a mixer are mostly all LINE level at +4dB, so if it can handle it in the aforementioned situations then it can handle it. What is important to note when chaining or connecting pieces of equipment together is gain staging at every device. That is, be sure that the output signal from one device is not overloading or clipping the input of the next.
So good... I’ve been running a second smaller desk into one channel for the loop pedal, this way is much more effective… Thanks mate🦑🎶
Do you are brilliant! I did it! You are a fantastic teacher.
Thank you, brother. Much appreciated.
so i have the x1622 and you just help me figure out at least 50% more of my mixer. But mine does seem to have a few more buttons for some more advanced options it seems. Im even able to divide the sub 1 and 2 into left and right individually
Thanks a lot for your help! Until this video, when I changed my setup, it affected my looper - that is, I couldn't hear and record loops in my RC30. Looping is essential to what I do for my livestreams, so this video really helped me get my looper back in my audio chain even with my recent setup change.
Thank you. You’ve given me some great ideas.
Happy to help!
I do this when performing, but with an RC30 and my DS61 Juno keyboard for drums, bass, keys, etc. Lots of fun
Very nice my dude, thanks! I hate it when my gear feedbacks
!Excellent explanation... Thank you so much! Will put it into action right away... AWESOME!
Thank you so much, my friend. I have the exact same mixer and the exact same loopstation and your video really helped me set them up. Now I can loop with multiple mics and really experiment with my music. Thanks again!
Very cool setup!
Papi, if you use the send and return feature of your mixing board, you can send the signal to the looper and return it to a dedicated channel so you can control the volume on the board and still use the remaining channels for multiple inputs. This allows you to send a stereo signal to your main PA speakers.
True but there are drawbacks as noted in the video description.
From what I've read online, and tried, using aux is another way to get this type of sub mixing effect. I send my instruments to aux 1/2, aux out to looper, looper to channel inputs so only the looper gets heard in the monitor output
True. I address this in the description. Either is fine. With this method you don’t have to create 2 different mixes. However, using Aux outputs may be preferable for certain applications.
@@Artemago Ah I see that now, thanks. Do you know if most mixers come with alt outputs? I'm a bit confused why some mixers choose to include those vs aux
Aux outs are quite standard on mixers and are either pre(fader) or post(fader). Pre aux sends are normally used for monitor mixes so that moving the fader won’t affect the monitor mix. Post aux sends are typically used for outboard processing such as FX, EQ, etc., so that moving the fader will also affect the signal being sent to the processor(s).
Alt outputs are similar to subgroup outs, except that you can usually assign a channel to the main output and subgroup output(s) simultaneously. The XENYX X1204USB mixer you see here does not allow you to simultaneously send the signal to the main outs and Alt outs. Yet you could use the Alt outs as a subgroup by routing the Alt outs into an Aux return to get it to the mains.
There are a variety of mixers, but most do the same thing-combine (mix) and route audio signals. Normally mixers of this size and larger do have at least one stereo subgroup or one stereo alt out. I think this is a fantastic analog mixer. It has lots of flexible routing options and features at this price point.
Hey this definitely works thank you, but I'm getting feedback distortion when I loop instruments over my vocals?
I really like this video using the same mixer I own and using a looper pedal. Gracias
I have a cheaper mixer without separate fader controls for main left and right outputs. I will try this config out but it means I will need to control the inputs and the outputs more carefully to ensure a good mix of levels. I will make sure to buy mixers with left and right stereo faders going forward.
Even some top notch mixers have only one Main fader. In that case you will be obligated to send equal signals to both L and R channel outputs. I do like having individual controls for the L and R mains
Good Idea. Thank you for this interesting tutorial.
I want to do it in a same way.
Need this also for live perfomance, only playing guitar tunes and vocal`s,... in live real time.
Synchronizing a Linie 6 Looper with the MIDI Drum machine.
Does it make sense? Is this necessary?
Sorry, my english is not good. Hope you understand.
Regards from Steve Germany
If the midi drum machine is a separate device than the looper, then , yes, they would need be synchronized. Otherwise if you set a drum beat and press the loop pedal even just a fraction of a second off beat, then this difference would increase more and more every time the loop came around until they were off time.
thanks for posting this. ive been running my signal to the looper from the fx send and running all kinds of problems with the levels. ill give this a try
I also tried running through aux/fx sends with poor results. The stereo L-R method should work if you only plan on running mono. If you have a sub/alt output on your mixer you can also try my second method. And if you have any questions or problems, drop me a line, and I'll be glad to help if I can.
Looks like I’ll be digging out my old mixer
All good if you want it in mono? It's not stereo signal your sending so it can never be anything else?
Hi! I'm using studio monitors for my setup and im figuring out how to connect two speakers with a similar design. You have any idea how or where to plug in the second one? Thanks so much, everything else works perfect!
What brand/model mixer are you using?
You should send both right and left main outputs to the looper pedal in other to record a stereo audio from the mixer. You can do that either connecting to cables in control room outputs or by a split Y cable from phones output using a stereo 1/4 inch plug at one side and 2 mono 1/4 inch plugs at the the others right/left sides of the Y split cable. The way you connected will send a mono audio to the looper.
I am aware. The problem with the setup you propose is that the main out, control/phones out, and 2 track out are all the same. So if you run any of these back into the board, you will be doubling the original input signals which are already going out to the main outs directly. In order to run stereo, and avoid this issue, the board will have to have 2 sub outputs. Or use method 2 in this video, but use both sub outs for L and R stereo.
In further review of your video I am going to not go through the effects aux channels. Thanks again for your knowledge and skills of looping using a mixer. 👍👍
Glad to help. The AUX signal paths can certainly be used, but not without a couple of concerns.
I attempted to use this solution with my Boss Gigcaster 8.
Unfortunately I get feedback :(
Does it matter if the cable is Mono or Stereo?
Very good video thanks for the information. Please explain why you went to the second method of routing. Was that because you were able to use effects with the second method but not with first?
Effects can be used in both methods and can be applied either before the looper per input channel or to the loop return channel as a whole (or both simultaneously). Using the second method, particularly with this board, allows me to easily switch what goes to looper or what goes straight to Main by pressing the Mute/Alt3-4 button. Usually when playing a lead or solo, I send the guitar straight to Main. It sounds a bit better-punchier-and avoids going thru the processing of the pedal. I can also choose to send the effects to Alt 3/4 or main with the FX routing switch which allows me to apply the FX pre looper or post looper. And, routing thru Alt3-4, allows for stereo operation.
Hey incredible video sir thank you so much for the info!
Hi really good video. I’ve got the same mixer and use the same technique using alt 3 4 into my looper. So does using that switch solve the problem with the effects? Not sure Thanks. P.s. I don’t really use the effects on the mixer so hadnt come across that problem but your right it does seem wierd.
And here's what I'm thinking right now, I could connect mic and guitar to the rc-500 and send each signal to a different channel. And though the recording on the looper would be FX free, the sound on the speakers would be FX processed right? To live performance purpose would it make a difference to the audience? And to me of course? Since I'm using only one speaker (Bose S1). Ty
Yes. The RC500 is made to handle a mic input and an instrument input. You could certainly hook up your mic and guitar to the RC500 then send the output to a stereo channel on the mixer. You are correct that the loop itself will not have effect processing but you can add these after which will only make a slight difference for live performances. The difference between doing this as opposed to method 2) as discussed is that you will forego having individual EQs and channel options for the mic and guitar that are on the mixer. You will only be able to add EQ and FX to the signal from the RC500 asa whole. It’s really a matter of taste at this point and how much control you want of your signal and where.
@@Artemago thank you so much once again
Dude this is the first video to explain how to do this right. You are a fucking demigod. Ty!
Hola amigo la verdad un trucazo! Tengo un boss cr3 y tenia el problema de conectarlo con 2 sonido diferentes y tenia que ecualizar todo rapido par el loop. Con esto me ahora tener que comprar un loop mas costoso, muchas graciasssssssss
Saludos desde Tierra del Fuego, Argentina!
I just bought a usb802 - such a cheap price but will this work on that behringer model,? Appreciate your help…sorry i don’t have cables yet to try to achieve this…but it is what I am looking to do… thanks
I think the 802 is a great little mixer for the price. You will be able to use method 1 in the video. But note that this method will only work in MONO.
I have two Bose S1 pro speakers and a Behringer QX2222USB mixer. I am looking on purchasing a boss rc-5 looping pedal but am i able to connect the two speakers to the mixer via the two XLR cables and then connect the looper pedal to that style of mixer? Just wondering before I purchase the loop pedal. Thanks 👍
That’ll work no problem. The 2222 has even more routing options than the mixer in this video.
That's good to know. Thanks lad 👍
Thanks! Well done 🤙🤙
Hi. That xlr you ran from the back of the mixer to the looper, i gather was one end xlr and the other end 1/4? Is that correct?
Yes. This mixer only had XLR main outs
Hi man, good one. Yet, may I ask you why dont you go directly from the output of the looper straight into the speaker? For ex, I want to put a mute switch on one of the Rc-1 inputs and that makes it a two tracks looper.
You can certainly put the looper between the mixer and the speaker. But I wanted to have more control over the loop signal and it’s routing, so I ran it back into the mixer.
@@Artemago So ideally this way, with "just one eq" in pre I should be able to have a clear mic, right?
Can u use adapters to like the lil gold ones
Would this still work if my mixer doesn't have individual faders for L and R main mix volume? 😢
Yes, but note that the level of the signal being sent to L and R will be the same. You will not have individual level control of the L and R channels.
Hey Papi, first thanks so much for your videos. I wish you could insert a quick handmade diagram.
I totally new at looping, so I just got my Boss RC-1, I want to do the same hook-up with my mixer, but my Mixer is a Mackie ProFx10V3, it does not have "Alt 3-4 Outputs". Any suggestion? As you mentioned, I could use the Control Room outputs but, I use those to hear what I am recording. Any suggestion? Thanks. JCC
You have a couple of options with the profx10: 1) Run mono as in method 1 in the video. 2) Add the loop pedal after the main outs in between the mixer and your output device.
mixer main out -> RC 1 -> speaker or interface
This will work and will get the job done but will have some limitations.
Why not using the send and return line? I use boss rc30 in the end of the chain.
This is covered in the description. It is certainly possible to use the send/returns
Thanks for the info ... could you make
Tutorial of how to connect a boss rc 50 to a mixer ? I have no idea how to do it
The hook up for the RC 50 is the same as the RC 1 that is in the video. According to what I see online of the back panel of the RC 50 (I don't have one), I would hook it up like this: MAIN OUTPUT R(MONO) of RC 50 to any open mixer channel line input and INPUT INST R(MONO) of RC 50 to MIXER MONO OUTPUT (L or R, whichever is NOT going to speakers). This will only work for a MONO signal setup which is fine for most live performance situations.
so, would you say that with a mixer and this RC-5, could I make live concerts making vocal layers, looping them, while playing a playback track? Im a singer who does mainly voice layers creating atmospheric music with it and i was considering the loop station Boss RC505, but was a bit more than my budget right now, and since i dont have yet a mixer, i thought to do exacly this you are doing, to get me one RC-5, plug it into the mixer and from the mixer with the microphone, create live the vocal layers. and I do play guitar sometimes, so in this format such as yours, can work as well with other instruments. thanks.
Yes, you can do as you say by using a mixer. Hook up the loop pedal as suggested, then connect your playback track to any other channel or the tape in. Keep in mind, though, that you will be limited to just one loop with infinite layers. You will be able to add layer upon layer and undo the last layer added, but you will not be able to start/stop particular layers. To do this, you will need a multi track looper, or you can sync two rc5 together.
@@Artemago yes, I realized that wont be like a multitrack looper, but i guess for what i need right now, the RC5 will do the trick. Thank you very much for the answer.
I just plug the mixer out (left) into the instrument in (Left) on the loop and send the signal from the main output (Left) on the loop pedal straight to the speaker. full control over everything on the mixing desk. The only difference I can see is the volume on the looper turns down everything but I don't have a problem with that. I am using a Boss RC-300. I could even have another another out from the desk (right) going to the right in on the loop and a lead out of right on the pedal going to another speaker. Full pan stereo. Am I missing something?
This works to a certain degree. But what if you want the loop in the monitors and mains?
With your setup, you limit the output routing of your loop pedal to only what you plug it into. On the other hand, by routing the loop pedal back into the mixer, you can then send the signal to multiple paths via the mixer’s outputs.
ciao el papi complimenti per il video, ti chiedo gentilmente un consiglio , copiando la tua atrezzatura potrei usare come preset di effetti un amplificatore fender mustang I v2 grazie un saluto
I’m not sure I understand the question. But it sounds like you want to use your fender amp as an effects processor? If so, then you can likely accomplish this by using the phones out, but you’ll need some adapters, specifically a stereo 1/8” to 1/4” and maybe a splitter.
Thank you for the video! I've learned a lot! I have a question. I got a 1202fx paired with a Ditto X2. I notice when adding more than 2 overdubs, a significant drop in the quality of.the overall loop. I notice you use the XLR outputs. Mine only has 1/4". Also, my mains control is only one slider, where your mains are controlled with separate sliders. Any help is greatly appreciated
Thanks for channel!
Ok. I used the xlr outputs from the mixer because that was my only option for the main outs, and I had to use a xlr->1/4” cable to connect my loop pedal because of this. The 1/4” main outs on the 1202fx will do just fine. Since you don’t have independent faders for L and R mains, then the one fader is going to send equal levels to both L and R. This is not such a big deal except that the signal sent to looper will have to be the same level as the signal going to the mains.
What kind of lower quality are you getting? Volume? Distortion? Noise? All?
I did not address this in the video, but keep in mind that guitar pedals are meant to receive a Hi Z instrument level signal, whereas the outputs of pro audio are typically Lo Z line level. The impedance difference should not be that big of a problem. The level difference, though, can be enough to overload the pedal for it not to work properly. Basically the signal feeding the guitar pedal may be too hot (loud). This will usually translate to distortion or poor quality sound. You may be able to compensate by decreasing the level feeding the pedal from the main fader, but because this also simultaneously controls the other main out, the level there will decrease also.
To use guitar pedals more seamlessly with line level signals, a reamp box is used. This device converts loZ balanced line level to hiZ unbalanced instrument level. But they are somewhat pricey.
Some pedal manufacturers will accept line level no problem (boss is one); others will not. I am unsure about TC electronics as I don’t have one.
@@Artemago the sound I was getting was an increase in loudness and thinning of sound. I ended up getting an older mixer that has both XLR and 1/4" . Although the XLR out is "Mix" and the 1/4" , "Monitor Out". Which one should go to which? Btw, my mixer is going out to a PA. Thanks so much for your help! My deepest apologies for my late response. I ended up getting an older model- Soundcraft Spirit E6
@@Artemago I appreciate that extra info.
@@michaelcurry8497 I looked up this mixer and manual. According to the schematic the Monitor outs and Mix outs are the same but controlled by different knobs/fader. So, either could be used.
Very helpful thank you. One question. Would it work if I connected some effects pedals to the Boss RC-1 and then sent the signal from the last pedal back to the mixer? So basically the same type of setup just with a few extra pedals connected to each oher. I dig the tapestry by the way. Reminds me of the youtuber IcarusFourEightOh
Should work fine. Though some guitar pedals are not designed to accept balanced line level signals and may not sound good. Most newer pedals, especially Boss, are able to handle line level no problem. This technique would work with many types of devices and pedals. Just try it out!
Thank you. And if there were line level problems, would a DI box help with that?
@@nickgerard8564 Unfortunately not. A DI box transforms unbalanced line level to balanced mic level. Mic level is lower than instrument level. The device you would need is known as a Reamp box. But they may be pricey. I have tried a few setups and have had no problems with any of my pedals running a line level input. I would try it first to see how it sounds, what works/doesn’t work. Then modify as necessary. One thing to consider, though, is maintaining a consistent level throughout the chain -that the signal is the same (or similar) volume before the pedal chain and after the pedal chain and similar between each pedal. This is especially important if the pedal has its own volume knob. Good luck!
Awesome I really appreciate it!
What kinda wires do I need :)
Thanks for this video. How did you decide on the mixer? I am looking to get the one you have or the Behringer Qx 1222. Did you consider that one? Also are you recording? If so what are you using?
@@jetwoman10001 Both the 1204 and 1222 are good choices. The QX is the newer version of the X. The 1222 is slightly more robust with 6 mic pres and graphic EQ. I would choose depending on how many inputs you need as they both have similar routing options, and the application for which you will use the mixer. Questions to ask yourself: Will you only be recording? Mixing live shows? Do you need to record multitrack?
I do record but do not use these mixers for such. I use a different rig with a designated audio interface for recording. I use these mixers for live performance. I have recorded a couple of live performances with these mixers with good results but keep in mind that the USB output is only a stereo out; in other words, you do not get individual tracks per channel or multitrack recording; the output is the Main LR mix.
@@Artemago Thank you so much for answering so quickly and in such detail. My first goal with all this was to use a looper with the mixer and layer two or three instruments. I play Native American style flute and wanted to play against looped guitar, keyboard. Flute will be miked in. Really don’t know where going with it at all. Mostly will use reverb or hall effects. I would prefer a smaller board ie the QX usb 1204. I think it would be enough for what i am describing. I do understand about the single track recording vs. multi if i ever got into that. Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Sounds like the 1204 will suit your needs well. I like its versatility and relatively small footprint.
@@Artemago yes i like its small footprint too. Thanks!
Una pregunta, podria agregar un pedal fs6u boss para manejar mejor mi rc3? y con la consola separar canales de instrumento? gracias
Claro que si! Simplemente conecta el pedal a tu boss, y conecta el boss como en el video. Aqui estamos poniendo el mixer como input, en vez de poner solo un instrumento. Saludos!
y puedes usar el loop pedal con la cantidad de canales que tiene tu mixer
Very useful info . Thanks .
Hey man ! I’ve got an electro voice evolve 30m and rc 505 mk2 . And to be honest can’t loop multiple instruments using instruments in mixer . Can you at least tell me if that even possible without another mixer ? Thanks
Another mixer is not needed for what you want to do. The RC505 mk2 is a 5 track looper/mixer. It has 2 Mic inputs and 2 stereo instrument inputs. With the 505 as a mixer/input device and the evolve 30m for output, you have all you need to loop multiple instruments and listen to it.
Learning how to use a multi-track looping device, or any electronic equipment for that matter, takes time. And if you have not read the user manual for the 505 or the 30m, then I strongly suggest doing so. I have learned much from reading and studying the user manuals for the devices that I have used throughout the years.
@@Artemago Thanks a lot , man
@@Artemago yep , I will read ! The reason why I was little confused that any inputs on mk 2 is so customized that I was like “ wtf “
Yes, the 505 has many functions, so be patient with yourself as you explore these many possibilities. Happy playing!
@@Artemago thanks, man
Turning the effects is essentially like creating a bus I don’t think is a design flaw I think it actually gives more control because you can effectively mute the dry signal and you can potentially use that track like a bus. Great video btw! Ty!!
I agree, it is not a flaw. I noted this in the description.
@ElPapi forgot to mention that my mixer (Yamaha MG10UFX) only has one fader.
Thank you so much, I was looking for this exact way! One question though, while recording a new loop on your guitar, wouldn't you have to mute the mic input, so that the looper doesn't get both the guitar sound and the mic sound? Awesome video :)
Technically yes. But I find the bleed through is not too bad.
@@Artemago Got it, thank you for responding!
Thanks for the video. I got the Xenyx 1002 and I plan to connect my loopstation like that: Xenyx CONTROL OUT -> LOOPSTATION INPUT-> LOOPSTATION OUTPUT -> any free channel on the mixer. Could it works ? Thanks
Should work like you said. Just be mindful about which side L or R you are sending your signals and connect accordingly. The control room knob will then control how much is being sent back into the mixer on your open channel.
@@Artemago Can't I connect in stereo with this method ?
@@lecapitole5663 Looking at the 1002 it appears not. You could certainly hook it up in stereo but then your mains will have the signals from the original channels PLUS the signal coming from the looper into a channel; this will essentially double the signal. To run stereo you will need a mixer with groups or sub outputs that can be selected so that you can control where the output of each channel is going. You will, however be able to run it mono in your setup utilizing the pan to separate the signals
@@Artemago I see, thanks for the reply. Maybe I could try with the RCA out/in, but I will need adapters
And, If running stereo, the channel with the loop which is fed from control room will be sending itself back to the control room creating a feedback loop. Separating input and output signals by using the L and R channels will be your only option with this mixer, but this means your signal will be mono
thanks!
So if you want to record on the Behringer you record in MONO in the first method and stereo in the second? Also, do these setups change if your signal goes out to an amp?
If using the first method you will be restricted to only one output so mono will be your only option. If using the second method you certainly could record stereo by using both the R and L outputs
If output is going to amp be aware that main mixer outputs are LINE level so be sure your amp can receive line level inputs. With both of these setups you can output the mixer signal to whatever device you want-monitor, powered speaker, recording interface, another mixer, etc
@@Artemago I have a line level knob on my AMP and a LINE output- which i have never used apparently. What should i do with them? Thanks for taking the time to respond , brother.
@@jjjj2114 the Line out on amps are for sending a line level out. The line level knob will adjust the level of the line out
@@jjjj2114 what you do with them depends on what you are trying to accomplish. I’m not sure what you’re trying to do so it’s hard for me to say. What’s your setup? What are you hooking up?
can this work on the zoom L-8 mixer
Si señor. No problem
Incredible, you are a master, greetings from Nicaragua, Central America, I wanted to know how to connect an RC-300 to the 1202fx console and make all the channels LOOP, using the FX, but without losing the effects of the console, just bring the loop signal to the console, I don't know if I make myself understood, bring the loop pedal signal to the console, but continue using the effects of this same console, I would appreciate your help
Hola amigo. With the 1202fx you will be limited to using method 1 as in the video. If you try to use FX send then this will bypass the onboard FX which I think you don’t want to do. Instead use the stereo panning to split the signal as desired as shown in the vid
@@Artemago Thank you very much Friend, for taking the time to respond... The best option would be to use one output from the MAIN OUT and the other would be to send and bring and pan to one side, and with this it would not affect the effects of the Mix, right? ?? I think that would be the thing hahaha...
@@abelgeovannygarcialopez3941 This will definitely work BUT only in MONO. To achieve stereo looping and effects, you will need a more capable mixer. The effects will work for each input channel as in the video but they will be mono. Test it out. A ver que pasa. Dime como te fue
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Coño papi thanks... Finally I understand how to do that hack... Working perfectly both instructions... But am not sure the difference between the hack.. 😐
The first method will only be mono. The second method allows stereo operation and added control.
@@Artemago Thanks bro
Thank you.
Does this Behringer have USB port for recording?
What about plugging the Boss VE-20 for voice effects? Same as loop stations?
Or, great idea! I can use a loop station for the voices! And keyboard instead of guitar :D
Yes it does. You can use these methods to hook up any type of external pedal or processor. Though, if I were using the VE20, I would probably hook my mic straight into it then out to the board.
@@Artemago Thank You!
@@Artemago What if I have Rockit5 as speakers with rca plug? Can this same set up be mantained -with rca in the rca port-?
Gracias papiiiii
i know this is random but what bulbs did you end up using for the dash clock replacement on the infiniti? i couldn’t find them
lol...I've got a pack of 20, well 18; I'd send 'em to ya...They are Partsam 3mm 12V LED bulbs that I found on Amazon
@@Artemago I don’t think they sell them anymore, but I found a 2pack on ebay they look like they should fit. Any chance you know what bulbs fit behind the instrument panel?
@@scottym7192 That I do not know.
@@Artemago ah ok. thanks for the help though
I feel like in this Leonardo DiCaprio movie. This one when you don't know it's real or not.
I will try this. Thanks
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Such a pissah I had to comment twice 👊 if your ever in Boston hmu. This is gonna help catapult me.
where is the amp ? how can you add amp ?
cheers
What kind of amp? Guitar amp?
@@Artemago omg thanks for reply. Yeah its a spark 40 guitar amp. Im just confused where your guitar sound comes from is it just plugged directly into the mixer and if i want to get my amp sound integrated into this setup how to do that? Sorry im new to this
I’m using an acoustic guitar with a preamp built in which provides a line level signal out and can be plugged directly into the mixer line in. I’m assuming you have an electric guitar. From what I can tell, the Spark 40 has no line out, so in order to get the sounds of the amp, it will have to be mic’d. You could use a DI box to get the guitar signal into the mixer directly, but this will be a clean signal straight from the guitar without amp tones. To get the tone of the amp, you will need to mic it.
@@Artemago Thank you so much for the response!! very helpful
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You are a genius
But it has to go to speakers to
The signal goes to the speakers or any desired output device thru the mixer
Yeah I'm trying to get my loop station to work with my pioneer s9 mixer
@@mugzycuts706 hmmm. Could be done using the L and R channels in method 1 but then you would have only one channel as input and the other channel as return for loop. This mixer appears to have only two outputs, master 1 & 2, which are the same. This provides very limited routing options
Thank you for. Your video I'll figure it out merry Christmas
Couldn’t you just use the aux/sends instead?
Yes, it is certainly possible, and may, in fact, be better in certain situations. I address why I chose not to do this in the description.
You keep saying that you are sending it out to the mains… mains being plural which would be more than one. You are only sending a signal to a main. One speaker.
i thought you needed di box to get guitar in mmm
This is nonsense Papi and not well thought through. 😝
Try this: Connect the Alt3/4-outputs to the stereo inputs of the RC-1 looper. Connect both outputs of the looper to Aux-Returns of the mixer. And finally connect the mixer‘s main outputs to preferably two speakers.
With this setup you‘re not sacrificing the stereo capabilities and you will have a signal on both ears using headphones. Also you can use all 6 channels of the mixer board. This will come in handy in live situations and when people are more talented than you. Also if they have a better looper (because they are more talented and make more money). 😁
If you want to record a track, just press the Mute3/4 button. If you want to record effects, just press the corresponding button.
This is also failsafe, as you can‘t create feedback loops, as with your first suggestion.
And once you learned a little more and earn more money, go get a multi track looper. This setup will work as well, even though you will want to go directly to the speakers from the loop station, as you can control the volume with a foot controller. 😀
Papi Your video is very good I and most everyone else appreciates the information however if what Richard Irvins is saying is true that would be helpful to know. Even if he’s not being so gracious if there’s a better way of doing it that’s the objective right?
I tried his method with the same mixture you have and I can’t get it to work. But that may be because there’s more information I need. Have you tried his (Richard Ervin’s)method and does it work for you?
Richard Ervin’s I’ve tried your method using the same Behringer mixer and I’m not getting the loop to come through. What am I missing here? Sorry I’m a bit of a beginner with Lupe.
@@stevemaxmusic This suggestion is essentially equivalent to method 2. He suggests using a stereo Aux return for the loop return signal instead of using a stereo channel for the loop return. Surely, both work; however, using a stereo channel provides more control over the return signal.
So funny.