My 'Humans are Herbivores' Video Was Debunked :(
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- Nearly 3,000 comments worth of battles later I have decided to respond to the most pressing counterpoints to my 'Humans Are Herbivores in Denial' video: • Humans are Herbivores ...
Inuit Video: • Eskimo Meat Argument S...
B12 Video: • Should Vegans Take B12...
Links and Sources:
/ micthevegan
/ micthevegan
/ micthevegan - @micthevegan
Okinawan Health Decline:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19...
Okinawan Diet Comparison Chart Study:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20...
Adventist Longevity Study:
archinte.jamanetwork.com/artic...
Blue Zones have Plant-based diets:
www.bluezones.com/2009/04/cnn...
Slaughterhouses and PTSD:
www.texasobserver.org/ptsd-in...
Slaughterhouse “an ultrahazardous activity for psychological well-being." tinyurl.com/gpwabye
Deer Eating Bird Video:
• deer eating a bird
Esselstyn Paper Reversing Heart Disease Herbivorously:
dresselstyn.com/JFP_06307_Arti...
Vegans have 26% less heart disease and 68% less diabetes study:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/artic...
Nathaniel Dominy Full Interview:
• Nathaniel Dominy PhD. ...
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There is no valid point against veganism, only excuses.
The only thing I can come up with is food allergies, in rare cases.
The only valid point is that you do not care enough about your health, animal wellbeing and environment to go through the hassle of changing your habits. If an omnivore told me that, instead of making excuses, I would at least appreciate his/her honesty...
So you think "Bacon tho" isn't a valid point ?
BOBOUDA You tell me- is "vagina tho" a valid argument for rape?
lisaschellen In the end "I just don't care" is still an excuse, no valid argument. But I understand where you're coming from 😉
I was there, my friends- a broccoli packing plant that looked like one of the levels of hell. Green, there was green everywhere. I'll never forget the soul-rending squeaking sound that broccoli florets make when they're being packed into a box, or the horrific snap of a broccoli stalk being torn asunder.
I still get the shakes sometimes.
Ha ha ha , can't stop laughing !!! 😁😂🤣😃😅🙌🏽💖🌿
I sense sarcasm lol
I still feel bad for my addiction to plants. I just cant stop. Ive tried meat but I just cant do it. The greens call to me!
But broccoli tho 🥦
I can't even view snapping a broccoli as similar as snapping a chickens neck. Jesus Christ. How did I EVER eat that. I feel so disgusted in myself. Does any ex-carnists out there feel guilt too? Just me? It's so isolating.
"NOBODY has PTSD from working at a broccoli packing plant" 😂😂😂
@Grim don’t eat Pussy It's a plant/building that packs broccoli.
who gets PTSD from working at a slaughter house? Nutjobs.
@@williampennjr.4448 Are you saying only nutjobs get PTSD from working at slaughter houses?
@@EngineersQuest from seeing animals killed at a slaughter house, yes.
@@williampennjr.4448 It can be very traumatic to some.
Man, the dairy industry definitely succeeded into tricking so many people that milk is where you get calcium from. I had a doctor tell me to get more calcium from dairy products cuz I'm filipino and I'm prone to osteoporosis or something. I told her I didn't like milk and she suggested yogurt and ice cream and stuff. -_- No. Thanks.
justliketurtles why not?
lol and milk contains stuff that prevents calcium from fusing to bones properly. it is actually counter productive for strong bones.
Wt doesn’t the doctor ever recommend more green vegetables for calcium? Why not?
Gakamis Gaming are you?
Richard Williams no I asked if they are
"Here's a French dude that ate an entire plane. This does not mean that his body is best suited to be a planivore." xD
Aviatorvore
lol
Boeing tho
ha!👍👏
+Gwelwenant
I don't know, it doesn't seem natural, our stomachs don't produce the enzymes needed to break down kerosene.
Not to mention you have to spit out the " black box" as it's indestructible, the only other part you can't eat is the onboard food.....because it's disgusting.
"Calcium, iron, and protein can only be found in meat..."
LMFAO!!
lol
ha ha!
ugh not these again .... this is the hardest yhing to deal with ubiquitous arguements that have weak points lol
Aaron Verran that's so true. On top of that, they're spouted with such arrogance and closed mindedness. I had a nurse practitioner tell me these things, with an aggressive and angry attitude on top of it (particularly about the iron)... *a fkn nurse practitioner*...
Planes have a lot of iron :)
Nice work! Here are some other points to strengthen your argument.
-our saliva breaks down plant food, and not animal food
-carnivore molars work like scissors (pass by each other - slice; not smash)
-carnivores and omnivores dont get artery disease (their digestive system is designed to consume cholesterol)
-herbivore jaws move side to side (carnivores dont) to grind plants
-93% of choking deaths are from meat (our throats and teeth are not designed for it)
-we have no natural means for killing animals (are we going to sneak up on a deer and choke it to death?)
-herbivores knees lock so they can stand with little aid from their muscles (carnivores dont)
-we are slow
-our hearing sucks
-our vision sucks - but is perfectly suited to see the colors of fruit and vegetables
-our sense of smell sucks
-we are in the primate family - which are almost exclusively herbivores, we are designed to live in trees (do you find more plant food or animal food in trees?)
-our bodies cant regulate heme iron, but can regulate plant iron
-ppl are curing themselves of all kinds of diseases with plant based diets (which should be called plant exclusive diets)
I covered many of these in my first herbivore video: th-cam.com/video/XmXynDLkbXY/w-d-xo.html
Some great points though.
Not all of your points are completely bullet proof- We do not need natural means of killing animals. We could be scavangers so we steal eggs from chickens and eat carcasses. We can get a lot of decent vitamins from bonemarrow and organs.- Our knees can lock, sure. But to keep them healthy we should never stand with locked knees.- Sure we are slow, but if you look to our stamina at a medium speed we can outlast a lot of animals.That being said, I do believe our diets are meant to be 90%+ plant based. With all the luxury we have now we can just pick what we want to eat. So 100% plant based is a perfect way of eating these days. But before supermarkets and the internet it would just take too much energie to find all the variety of foods you need to eat when you do not consume animal based foods. (eggs, bonemarrow and organs)Again, I do believe we need to consume mostly,almost exclusively plants. But we are not herbivores.
dcgfhgjnzgfnjcbgn I hate to break it to you but many points that you just mentioned do not necessarily mean that strengthens the vegan arguments. Don't get me wrong eating a plant based diet is healthier, but humans had a very different evolutionary history than herbivores and carnivores. Humans evolved through selective pressures from the environment just as any living organism, but with one major exception. We used tools and that will affect human evolution. Our ancestors were most likely primarily herbivores but I'm talking 7 to 4 million years ago. Then we have the rise of the Australopithecines whom we find evidence of tool use. The Odowan stone tools were found with animal remains that had cut marks. Our ancestors were probably scavenging for meat instead of hunting it. Although we do observe hunting behavior with chimpanzees. These stone tools allowed for us to cut into bone and meat without using our teeth, therefore that selective pressure would have been alleviated. Bone marrow is high in nutrients and proteins that our ancestors had to look for in the African savanna. We are omnivores, we have a varied diet that is why we have been able to adapt to any environment. For example there were two types of Australopithecines the gracile and the robust. The robust had a sagittal crest with large molars which is indicative of a predominantly herbivorous diet. They are an evolutionary end in our family tree( they didn't go extinct because they were herbivores but because they were too specialized in their diet)Gracile Australopithecines on the other hand had the opposite. Both used tools but different types. Then we have Homo erects/ergaster where we find evidence of using fire. Cooking was a major game changer for our species, meat didn't have to be eaten raw it could be cooked. We probably used it to cook not just meat but plants and vegetables which would be a lot easier on out digestive system. I can't cover everything but it's just to give you a general idea. Our knees may lock but we are also bipedal again this is more like parallel evolution. Our hearing is good but not phenomenal. We have actually really good eye sight, after all that is how we gather most of our information, it's not like eagle vision but it's fairly good if it wasn't we would not be here today. Our sense of smell is fairly poor, because it's not the primary means of which we gather information. We did evolve initially to be living up in the trees but we don't anymore, that transition occurred when we started living in the savannah. We humans are slow runners when compared to a gazelle or a cheetah but we are by far the best at long distance running. Humans can run nonstop for miles along with an advanced brain that allows for planning and imagination it is a huge evolutionary advantage. I recommend you look at persistence hunting which is practiced by certain groups in Africa. Mind you this ability was also used to gather plants from a wide range. I can't provide all the evidence that indicates how we are omnivores in a TH-cam comment. I just want to give you a general idea about how our evolutionary past affected our anatomy that may give us the wrong impression. I'm not against vegans, I think we should consume less red meat and we should actually eat more bugs to be honest. I think the estimate is 1/3 of the population eats bugs. They require less resources and have a high protein value. I think the meat industry is horrible and the way we grow our food is unsustainable. Raising cattle the way we are doing it detrimental and the monoculture crops as well. We need to change the whole system over all.
you had me at choking a deer to death...
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Also, we don't drool and get hungry when we see or smell live animals...much the opposite..
I do
Neither when we see random plants. Though I drool from cuteness when I see a baby cat. Lol
NurseMyk. Because we don't need to, Jesus Christ.
Elaura Sh then you’re disgusting
Naz no u
But, but, but canines and bacon and cognitive dissonance
And plants feel pain. Fishes don't, though. Nor insects. Stupid insects.
We are like totally omnivores, even if millions of humans are suffering in many different ways because of our consumption of rotting flesh
Pan paniscus...there you have optimal human diet...mainly plant based food, sometimes supplemented with meat...we are opportunistic omnivores (what we can get, we should eat)
Gorrilaz have canines too.
Honestly, all fish drown when they are born. So they're pretty much zombies. Also, insects have a pretty shitty means of existence. I wouldn't want them feeling pain either.
Can humans live without meat? = YES. Can humans live without plants? = NO. Great work Mic!
+Sassmaster 888 so I should be free to eat your dog & you? respect life. there is nothing healthy about eating animal products. eat cat food for a week and prove you are a carnivore
+Mr & Mrs Vegan I'm a omnivore. I love apples, carrots, carrots, carrots, bananas, cucumber, fresh lettuce and much more. Eating other animals is natural for Omnivores. Even plants do it. Vegans only argument is that it is "wrong" Really, nothing is wrong. Other animals do it. If cows become intelligent, then they can eat us. They earned it. Like how we earned this.
+Sassmaster 888 you are mistaking yourself for a neandrathal.
Oh, so I eat meat I'm a neanderthal! I guess lots of geniuses are neanderthals too! That we are omnivores and killing for food is natural! OK!
You have great logic BTW.
I love the retired 100+ year old heart surgeon who was so amazing, fit and speaking with such clarity. Oh wow, I wanna be like that when I'm 100+ 😎 As a WFPB vegan I intend to live to at least a 100 😁😁😁
Dr. Ellsworth Wareham.
he died last year
Living to 100 is not likely
My great grandma is 102 and is a "flesh" eater and can still walk
@@justanormaldefaultpfp9309 then she’s in the minority
9:20
For a split-second there, I thought that you were going to say that a vegan diet cured her blindness.
@Grim don’t eat Pussy Absolutely. It's called diabetic retinopathy. In fact, it was switching people to a plant-based diet in the first place which revealed to us that reversing diabetic retinopathy blindness was even possible, as before the experiment, we had never had an example and didn't believe it to be possible.
In more detail, we have been successfully treating type 2 diabetes since the 1930's at the very least with "incontestable evidence" showing that a diet centered around vegetables, fruits, grains, and beans was more effective in controlling diabetes than any other dietary treatment?
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20319961
20 years later, Walter Kempner of Duke University’s School of Medicine proved in eir published results that with a rice and fruit diet study, ey was able to ACTUALLY REVERSE diabetic retinopathy in a quarter of his patients! This was something that had NEVER BEFORE BEEN BELIEVED POSSIBLE AT ALL!
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/13591100
But wait a minute, was it actually the plants that did it or was it just the calorie restriction?
For example, we've known that type 2 diabetes can be reversed by starvation for nearly a century and a half, since the 1870 siege of Paris during the Franco-Prussian War. Sad how ya find some things out...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20546297
This has been demonstrated experimentally. If you starve people enough, you can reverse diabetes.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21656330
Diabetes specialists “have long known that the tiny proportion of iron-willed people [with diabetes] who can substantially decrease their weight and maintain this, can exhibit a return to normal metabolism.”
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18726585
In order to verify that Kempner's, or even the studies from the 1930's success with treating diabetes weren't simply from a restrictive diet, rather than a healthy one, researchers would have to design a study where they switch people to a WFPB diet, but force them to eat so much that they don’t lose any weight. Then, we can see if a plant-based diet has benefits independent of all the weight loss. And that's exactly what they did, an entire 44 years after we had first shown plants could reverse diabetes!
Weighing participants every day and forcing them to eat more anytime their weight would start dropping.
No significant alterations in body weight were reported despite restrictions of meat, dairy, and eggs, and enough whole plant foods-whole grains, beans, vegetables, and fruit-to provide 65 grams of fiber a day, four times what the Standard American Diet provides!
The control diet they used was the conventional diabetic diet (which consequently had nearly twice the fiber content of the Standard American Diet in the first place, so it was actually probably even healthier than what they were used to eating already).
What were the results?
Overall, insulin requirements were cut about 60% and HALF were able to get off insulin ALTOGETHER, despite no change in weight.
So, was this after five years, or seven months, like in the other diabetic studies I showed? No, JUST 16 DAYS!
To put that into perspective, we're talking about diabetics who’ve had diabetes for as long as 20 years and who have been injecting 20 units of insulin a day. Then, in as few as 13 DAYS LATER, they’re OFF INSULIN ALTOGETHER --all from just LESS THAN 2 WEEKS on a WFPB diet!
Look here - Patient 15: taking 32 units of insulin on the control diet, and then, 18 days later, NONE. LOWER blood sugars while on 32 insulin units LESS.
THIS IS THE AMAZING POWER OF PLANTS.
On top of it all, participants' cholesterol levels PLUMMETED in just 16 days!
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/495550
you are the reason i went vegan, thank you for your professional wAy of approach it really convinced me that veganism is the way to go. Thank you!!! ( sorry for Bad english im from germany...)
Hey, wo wohnst du denn? :)
Deutschland wird immer veganer :D
+[Subjektnamen hier eingeben] in der nähe von Köln, dazu kommt noch dass ich sehr viel Sport mache und deshalb das für mich sehr wichtig vegwn zu sein weil es besser für den Körper ist und ich merke es auch
Awesome! I know elves are already vegan, but I am glad to see a dwarf go for it!
Mic. the Vegan 😂😂😂 theres a First time for everyone
it's true, children have to be conditioned to be indifferent to harming animals. If a kid is indifferent, or worse ENJOYS harming animals, we have a duty to get that kid into therapy.
isn't that weird? we condition kids that eating meat is fine, those animals are made for us. all because kids do not want to willing hurt animals. but then if a kid starts killing cats and birds and enjoys it we take them for help.
+Megh- charmeghander 👏👏
I oversimplified it because I didn't want to engage anybody in earnest. So no, I don't HAVE to do anything, especially here on TH-cam.
If you're not prepared to stand behind what you say, it is better not to make such a public statement at all. This isn't a rights/forceful compulsion thing, it's just common courtesy: don't start a conversation you're not truly interested in having.
I didn't start a conversation. I left a comment on a video on TH-cam. Hardly a forum for scholarly debate. I suppose I could lock the thread so no one replies...
we only obtain calcium from milk?! WOOOAAH THAT GOT ME ROFL-ING XD
Let a baby have an apple and a rabbit, and let me know when the baby eats the rabbit and plays with the apple.
you probaably shouldnt be giving a baby a whole apple, or even a cut up... they'll probably die( choking hazard) unless its mush. in which case you would have to mush the rabbit to make a fair comparison. If you are going to do that, I recommend killing and cooking the rabbit first, cuz if the baby does choose the rabbit, you probs do not want the baby eating raw rabbit mush. It really isn't a fair or reasonable comparison though since babies are literally helpless on their own and tastes change as they grow- I personally was practically an herbivore until I hit about 13. no moral reasoning I just hated 90% of meat. Taste is not indicative of healthiness or ''the way we should eat'' in any case. Put an apple and a candy in front of baby. see what they pick. or to make it a more reasonable paradigm, make it a 3 year old.
Give a rabbit a piece of meat and it will eat the meat. Also babies need breastmilk, not apples.
@@HammerheadGuitar Rabbits can't hunt any animals, Rabbits can eat meat because, they eat their children if they die to save energy.
@@liamn.3333 I never said that they hunt.
Also the young of predators do not kill either, the adults make a kill and feed the young.
Don't bring up th-the broc-br-brocali processing plant, the horrors.. the-they still haunt me to this day.
the beets are worse
Triggered!
+The Kiwi Industry you're in cahoots with the broccoli industry kiwi! be gone from here!
Those comments almost gave me cancer. But of course they wont because im a vegan ;D
You can still get cancer if you're vegan. lol
Sigh.... You know, vegans get cancer.
Sassmaster 888 yeah bro vegans yet cancer, we yet to have cancer. thanks for believing in me
Donald Draper I'm no vegan I so far, I'm cancer free. And my entire family, friends, teachers and many other people I know.
Boy if you actually read that article it said that this happens to generations of vegetarians eating a lot of oil. And news flash eating oil isn't good.
Plants and Mushrooms... Vegans, don't forget the fungi! The flesh-fruit of the forests...
Humans are anatomically and physiologically herbivores, but they act as behavioral omnivores. Biology shows evidence of being herbivores, whereas psychology suggests we are omnivores. I love biology.
There is no such thing as being "anatomically and physiologically herbivores." Being an herb/omni/carnivore is about *_behavior_* not anatomy.
@@Spounge84 Wrong...so very wrong. th-cam.com/video/kGDYydkvg3E/w-d-xo.html
That is ridiculous
We are the peak top of the apex-predators it would be a disaster if we were vegans
Makes no sense at all
@HitProof “We are the peak top of the apex-predators”
Lmao no we aren’t, we are at the peak of moral and intellectual consciousness, which is separate from physical biological strength. That’s all. I’d like to see what would happen to you if you came face to face with a tiger in the wild, with no weapons other than your own body, because you think humans are the top apex predators.
That’s besides the point industrial animal agriculture exists completely out of the ecological food chain that animals in the wild have. Selectively breeding farm animals on a massive scale while pumping them up with supplements, torturing and killing them, as well as eating them has nothing to do with a gorilla eating fruits and veggies in the wild, or a lion killing a zebra out of necessity.
@@USMCLP lmao I have never heard the bigger bullshit than this
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Human beings are not moral and intellectual. They are bloody disgusting animals and they are also stupid hypocritical and naive
Possibly the best video ever made to promote a vegan diet. Brilliant.
This plus Earthlings.
Plus 101 Reasons To Go Vegan.
+Stefan Alexander Lay Ⓥ plus cowspiracy
True, although there will always be those people who are just backward and ignorant. But who cares about them anyway?!
We have our own „bible”: Amazing all-day energy, incredible sex life, great sleep, pleasant body natural scent, awesome workouts + ..... :)
I care, because the omnivores are killing themselves, animals and their entire planet with their actions. It's important information like this is more widespread. In the last few years I've gone from
1) thinking I couldn't go without meat and it was a key component of a balanced diet, to
2) not eating meat being a worthwhile sacrifice to my health, to
3) realising there were no detrimental effects on my health, to
4) believing it was actually healthier to not eat meat.
Now these videos, and other inputs from Cowspiracy etc have me swayed towards the belief that there was nothing natural at all about eating meat. Mic makes a fantastic argument, and maybe it's not 100% bulletproof, but the fact we are arguing about it at all just proves that really there is no doubt that the vegan diet is the optimal one. It's like arguing over the circumference of the earth, if you are arguing over that, you've accepted the Earth is round.
Some people are simply ignorant through no fault of their own, and deserve the information to make an informed choice. Some (many) of course, are backward and should be convinced to stop making such a selfish and destructive choice.
If you are a deluded idiot, yeah. If, on the other hand, you are an educated person it's comedy gold littered with many laugh out loud moments
People will come up with the most ridiculous excuses to continue to eat animals.
Because tastebuds...tastebuds are the reason the planet is going to hell.
Both lame and sad.
And it's only an indoctrinated sense of flavor they are chasing. As you know, once you are off dead animals you can taste more flavor in human foods.
I have ZERO interest in eating carcasses and have no clue why I ever thought it tasted good. I much prefer mangos and blueberries over dead animals. Its hard to come to grips with how I used to behave.
And we don't even like the real taste of meat. We don't have the receptors of meat taste. But we have taste receptors of salt, seasonings (plants). And we couldn't even eat it raw, it's poisonous to us.
NOBODY likes the real taste of flesh. It's all in how meat is cooked, with herbs, spices, salt, marinades, bbq sauce...serve the cooked flesh with caramelized onions and mushrooms, roasted peppers, lettuce, tomatoes, good bread, condiments. Even those who claim we can eat some meat raw like sushii, sashimi, caviar, steak tartare...those things are still flavored by and paired with plants. The flesh is just an energy source (a poor energy source) that delivers those flavors...and it's a damn shame for the animals that people don't realize we can have delicious food without meat.
Well, it's not just tastebuds. But yes modern society is pretty lame and sad... and numb and gullible.
Here's to a vegan world, a step in the right direction! :)
It's ALL about tastebuds...I can't give up my cheese, bacon....UGH.
Hello, disclaimer: I'm vegan and a biologist. Also I wanna mention that classifications are in most cases "fluent" and not every case is discretely distinguishable. The whole vegan omnivore/herbivore discussion is pointless and in some cases misused as vegan propaganda.
The funny thing is when you realize that we're just discussing about definitions. Omnivorism and all other forms are BEHAVIOURAL definitions in biology. If you look at humans nowadays and observe that a significant amount of their diet consists of animal products and plants, then they're omnivores period. A cat doesn't include plants in like every single meal so theyre carnivores even if they eat plants rarely. Also comparing an animal A that apparently eats an omnivore diet and then look at another animal B that eats an omnivore diet AND then say uhh.. B has another anatomy than A therefore B can't be omnivore isn't actually exact or scientific. Humans started hunting, domesticating and it was apparently an evolutionary advantage. However if you wanna talk about about what is the healthier diet I totally agree humans should rather eat plants than animal products if possible.
floyddango THANK YOU. FINALLY A VEGAN WITH WISDOM AND BRAINS IN THE COMMENTS!! Bless you and your diet my dear ♡
@murphy mcmanning humans use carbohydrates for energy, in fact the body only uses fat and protein when it doesn't have any glucose left. nobody denies carbohydrates are the bodys preferred energy source.
how is eating meat more ethical than being vegan?
@murphy mcmanning It is possible to live from fat as an energy source, man has adopted to it when he started eatig nuts and seeds. However your body will start the process when all your glucose is used because it prefers to run on Glucose. This is more of a additional help for survival
@murphy mcmanning What did we live off then, before we had the ability to hunt, by using weapons?
@murphy mcmanning Because we became Frugivores and don't eat leaves or grass.
I love your energy in this one. Cracking me up. Thank you for your videos, Mic.
All I heard was, "my gf's sister..." 💔
😂😂😂 This comment was golden. "All I heard" had me dying laughing because I knew this was coming one day. You should've known by the hair flip, lol. You'll find your vegan prince one day.
Haha well he has a video on why vegans should have kids..
***** Huh? I've never heard of that one before. I guess I could see why someone would argue that point, on the flip side, not every vegan or aspiring vegan is on the same side of the spectrum.
Sara Valencia Oh, that would be a good one to check out.
weird I didn't even hear him say that. But hey girlfriends are allowed to have sisters.
Maybe even better than the original. Take that debunkers.
"Debunkers"? "Trolls" is a much better word. ;)
+Finn V. Arthur lol
ian hock did you even listen to this? Lmfao.
Di Vepets Delusional
how so we are omnivores is more like it
THIS MAN IS THE MAN! Thanks for all the scientifically referenced thoroughness. Keep fighting the good fight. We all get confused and need help sometimes.
The Wraith take a b12 supp or eat that nutritional yeast
God, I hate human kind sometimes, like A LOT. Some are the best and defend nature and love all living creatures, but the others, which is the most of the human population, doesn't care, recklessly eat and that we let them suffer without ANY COMPASSION.
No one gets PTSD from working at the Broccoli processing plant. LOL
Stoked you made this update. Was getting cancer from that comment section in your original video.
plantrider see? Even vegans get cancer
I also believe there needs to be chimpanzee retraining programs created. Chimpanzee’s should have to justify the FACT they hunt and eat meat (up to a ton a year), do they do this unnecessarily (we share over 98% of our genetic code with them by the way)!
th-cam.com/video/RQq93Q2txrs/w-d-xo.html we
We need to teach them (and all omnivores) to stop this evil practice! They don't understand the Implications they are having on the environment and the disgusting immoral evil they are perpetrating!!!
Millennial Prepster idk abiut you, but if all animals stop eating each other and just eat plants, we gonna die even faster becouse combined with our polliution and treecutting, oxygen levels will fall.
Also, if birds and spiders stop eating bugs, we gonna start having real problems soon with them.
Just to add, gathering every animal and forcing them to eat plants would be evenmore imoral and would cause way more death.
What is good and evil cannot be decided by humans
@Gakamis Gaming Don't worry the vegan fearless leader (mic the vegan) will find a way and report back to use via youtube. Morality above all!!!
Millennial Prepster nah
Wish I had found you sooner! You get your points across so clearly, you've really helped me :)
Thank you for making such good videos, with a clear message for my facebookfriends to learn something from! :) Keep on sharing the good and important message! 😃
Broccoli killed my family.
You're supposed to eat it, not throw it at others. ;)
Do you have PTSD from it?
you ate his entire family and he did a revenge.... you deserved it u.u
You must avenge them and eat as much broccoli as you can!!!
A lot of homers
Love how scientifically based your vids are, and how you use multiple doctors as sources. After going through contradictory studies and doing research for hrs, I think I'm prepared enough to at least attempt a vegan diet and see how it affects my health.
Good luck on your diet, remember to eat a bit more once u try it!
and people think they can debunk them by saying they "like meat"
good luck! remember to eat more, since plant foods are generally lower in calorie [ but higher in nutrients by far ;) ]
Steve H keep in mind he also cherry picks his data from every doctor and doesn't look at the other side.
Does anybody realize what a frugivore is?
I've tried being vegetarian once and vegan twice. I'm studying nutrition and planned my meals to include what I should have needed but my health failed each time and blood tests confirmed I wasn't absorbing vitamins and minerals I needed.
The Okinawans have always eaten a lot of meat. My dad was stationed there in the 1960s, and he said they were crazy about pork. They even fried their vegetables in pork fat.
Because Mic is spreading lies. He's fallen into the vegan proganda crap. I saw the okinawas too. They ate a lot of fucking pork
You sir, are my fav
Thank you! :)
The first one: When talking about animal deaths caused by a vegan diet, it's pretty clear which one is better ethically: www.animalvisuals.org/projects/data/1mc/
Veganism is about sucking less, not being perfect.
"Why is plant life inferior, in their eyes? Food purity is a social construct." Rape and murder are also social constructs. I also have a recent video on plant pain: th-cam.com/video/bRfX4X0V54A/w-d-xo.html
The seconds one: Vegetarians have smaller brains? Well, that study of just 107 elderly people doesn't exactly trump the massive Adventist Vegetarian lifespan studies, especially considering it was on B12 status and brain size and does not even contain the word vegetarian.
While on the topic, non-vegetarians could have larger brains simply because they are inflamed, a well known phenomenon from high arachidonic acid consumption. This video explains that well: nutritionfacts.org/video/improving-mood-through-diet/
But hell, Einstein actually had a smaller than average brain and he was a vegetarian ;)
Dairy and Seafood, dairy is a huge problem, vegans don't consume dairy what so ever. Seafood, either its by fishing or fisheries, both are horrible for the envyronment, fisheries waste tremendous amounts of energy. Furthermore "salad diet"? This is retarded. This article actually compares the caloric value between vegetables and meat, attacking how we needed alot more vegetables to be equivalent to a certain quantity of meat. What this dumbf*cks don't realise is that people don't want to be obese, people normally want to be fit and healthy, no wonder that Americans, who consume shitloads of meat and *DAIRY* are the most prone to obesity in the world, having almost half of its population overweight.
"people eat more vegetables, fruits, *dairy* , and *seafood* would see energy use increase by 43 percent" Exclude seafood, and it's all good, then exclude dairy and it's paradise.
Read this articles before you post them, you're speaking about pescatarian diets, not vegans.
Total BS. I covered both of those studies briefly already. The lettuce vs bacon one is based off of calories. You would have to 8-12 heads of lettuce to equal 2 strips of bacon. That is an insane comparison that is designed to make people feel good about eating meat. Actual caloric sources of plants like grains and legumes are by far the most eco-friendly and leave meat in the dust. It's like looking at the environmental impact of bone broth vs. wheat on a per calorie basis. Not comparable.
+Mic. the Vegan i will try and debunk this video. the way you are comparing the health of vegans and omnivores is ridiculous. Sure a vegan may be healthier than say someone who eats fried foods everyday or someone who over eats. thats what america does, their food chocies are unhealthy and they eat too much of it, along with no exercise it can definitley cause heart problems. you are comparing the minority to the vast majority. The vast majority who eats unhealthy. insted of fried chicken eat white meat chicken in good portions. fish has omega 3 which can actually lower cholesterol and risk of heart disease. meat itself is not the problem. its how much and how its prepared. i have many omnivorous family members that eat healthy and live over 100. people have been eating meat since we were cavemen/neanderthals, native americans, and african tribes. the enviroment they live in with no civilization, meat is necessary. food is harder to find and meat keeps you fuller longer. when these people see buffalo or birds and are starving they see food. they dont live in a nice house, they can but arent suppose to develop feelings for these animals. native american do pay respect to the animals they kill. they also dont have a wide variety of special vegan food choices that 'herbivores' can have in today civilization. saying human teeth are incapable of ripping flesh is ridiculous too, our teeth are perfectly capable, canines dont have to be that big. my brother bit my arm through a heavy coat and it drew blood. the mark was made from the canine tooth. theres even a disturbing video of a man eating and riping a live cat with his teeth. gorillas and hippos use their teeth for fighting. hippos fight other males hippos using guess what there teeth. they also use it to fight off predators. Gorillas can use there teeth to fight other male gorillas also. why are our canines so small compared to big cats, dogs, cats, and carnivores? because every animal is given a special ability to survive. when lion, leopards, jaguars, cheetah, hyenas and other carnivores hunt, they chase the prey and how do they kill theyre prey? they use they're huge canines to bite the neck and crush the airways. some are savage and eat them alive. but use humans, do we hunt like them? what is special about us? oh right our mind and intelligence. we evolve to have minds and hands capable of making tools and weapons thats how native americans and african tribes kill the animals. vegans also say would you like to eat raw unprepared meat? we also discovered fire since cavemen. not only does cooked meat have more taste and safer, but it cooked meat is better digested and keeps you fuller longer which is thought to give them more time to think rather than hunting more often. so meat consumption led to ideas and millions of years later we're here. why did you say our tastebuds dont have protein receptors when vegans are arguing that protein is in many other things too. we're suppose tohunt for food which is exercise and that is used to feed the whole tribe. want more food you need to hunt more. now a more civilized area we dont do that and we can eat as much and not exercise like were suposed to with extra oil, leads to heart disease. which is why native americans and non civilized african tribe, and islanders look thin. they ofcourse dont live longer because they dont have access to health but some are actually healthy and grow old. so make sure you read everything and im out.
killing it mic, which is ironic ;)
I really love your channel, thoughts and your discussion skills.
Been watching your videos for a couple months now. You really make some great content. I've been cutting back on anical products for a while. I hope I can get off the stuff eventually..
So obsessed with all your videos!! Thank you so much for doing what you are doing 🙌🏼
Thanks! I appreciate the kind words :)
agreed
Stop eating meat. It's killing you. Mic you are doing a great job. I look forward to your vids.
I also believe there needs to be chimpanzee retraining programs created. Chimpanzee’s should have to justify the FACT they hunt and eat meat (up to a ton a year), do they do this unnecessarily (we share over 98% of our genetic code with them by the way)!
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We need to teach them (and all omnivores) to stop this evil practice! They don't understand the Implications they are having on the environment and the disgusting immoral evil they are perpetrating!!!
upittman1 oh yeah you're right everything in excessive amounts will kill you. Look at water carbs fat and protein. Any excessive amount will kill you
Generation Z Stop acting stupid and admit it, We aren’t suited to eat meat.
Lost and how so? My own wisdom teeth are coming in. They are used for meat and nuts. Good day.
+Lost Biology disagrees with you.
Hey there! I just want to say THANK YOU so much for making these videos. Great to hear the truth:) I am totally with you!
Great and very informative video, Mic, thanks a lot! These 2 videos should be mandatory to be watched in Biology 101!
It's kind of depressing we need this sort of video to convince people rather than just acknowledging how immoral eating meat is, still thanks for making it ;).
You mean pseudoscience?
I'm probably being trolled, but do you have evidence to the contrary?
I agree.
"Immoral" no it is not, I have no rights to judge you for what you eat, you have no rights to do neither.
When there is an unwilling, enslaved being who had no choice, yes there is a moral obligation to avoid causing that suffering.
If I never hear the word "debunked" again as long as I live, it will be too soon. That being said, I am in love with your flawless logic and style of teaching, Mr. Mic!
Awesome video! Thanks for making a great video to share and educate!
You are sooooo resourceful. Sooooo smart and natural. I love and share all you videos!!!
I'm still on my transition from my previous omnivore diet to a plant-based diet. Watching videos like these really helps along my journey and makes it easier to see why I shouldn't continue eating meat. Keep it up Mic! Thanks for everything!
How is your plant diet? How are you getting your daily amino acids and omega 3s
HUMANS ARE OMNIVORES MICK THE VEGAN IS LYING WE ARE PREDATORS NOT FUCKING COWS THATS WY WE ARE SMART
"We are behaviorally omnivores but physiologically herbivores," right? We have learned to do bad/unhealthy things. Also, fiber produces short chain fatty acids in the colon, which feeds the colon in some way by nourishing the one cell lining (I think). I'll have to look it up again.
No, we're physiological omnivores.
+AnqzOG where is you're prove. If you're going to say that you have to back it up with some bloody evidence rather than just stating something.
+AnqzOG Behaviorally (in practice) we eat meat, but physiologically (anatomically/structurally/by design) we are more suited to eating solely plant foods. Our bodily structures, the design of our organs, resembles that of other omnivores: our long digestive system, and flat teeth, for example. We are physiologically ill suited to the digestion of meat. Metabolically we are poisoned, made ill by, the ingestion of meat and other animal products such as milk, cheese and eggs. Being a true herbivore, our arteries clog when we eat meat and other substances derived from an animal.
Don't mind Anqz, he's just a regular troll, begging for attention. I've seen his repeated comment a few times already. He's one of the guys who will deny anything even after the truth comes and kicks him in the face. ;)
John Paradise The whole major argument over comparative anatomy is based off of generalized characteristics that are frequently backed up with no explanation of the sample sizes and the specific animals used to come up with such figures.
Just generalized characteristics...
You're dealing with a classification that is not limited to taxonomic organization. You're basically trying to use things that don't matter as a tool to try to argue that we aren't something, that essentially is entirely independent from these requirements you're making up. This comparative anatomy nonsense is deceptive and downright disingenuous.
The reason why we don't look like we should is because there were no selective pressures to make us "look like other animals" that do eat meat.
You seemingly can't draw the relation between us being omnivores and how selective pressures shaped the traits we need to exhibit to get to the next generation. Simply the fact that we can obtain nutrients and energy from meat, does not mean we necessarily have to have traits like other animals that do. Nature doesn't work like that, functions that evolve independently often have different genetics and processes surrounding them.
Hey Mic, I love your videos! Thank you so much, you're awesome.
Gosh your videos are always on point! Keep it up.
Those comments clearly debunk the idea that meat made our brains grow...
Not sure why omnivorous biology is consistently left out of this argument and the focus is always the difference between herbivores and carnivores, the argument gets made that herbivores have longer guts than carnivores no one ever mentions that omnivores also have longer guts in order to capacitate both diets so the longer gut in humans does not necessarily mean that we have to only eat plant based foods it simply has to be that way in order to properly digest plant based foods at all , as far as clogged arteries go carnivores carnivores have adapted to a strictly animal based diet while herbivores and omnivorous were less likely to need that adaptation and a healthy balance of lean meats and vegetation fairs well in most omnivores what this argument never factors in I that humans with their cooking skills and ability to combine foods in a culinary fashion has led to poor eating habits a larger contributor to plaque buildup in humans than other omnivorous species who aren't churning butter baking chocolate chip cookies, and frying chicken vegetable oil ( which btw is a plant product that can lead to high cholesterol ) we have been eating meat for over a million years something tells me with all our accomplishments and planetary dominance that wasn't out of plain stupidity
Preach!
Love your videos. You make absolute sense in what you say and the people who don't want to "hear" the logic and truth are stupid, stupid, stupid! Thanks for your hard work getting all the info together and presenting it so interestingly.
Just a point on the Adventists: They also don't generally smoke, drink alcohol, keep caffeine consumption low, and generally remove 'unhealthy' influences from their lives.
This video just confirms how low human IQ can go and how low human IQ has to be for the living creature to become vegan
Luckiest girlfriend ever.
wowww amazing work!!! thank you so much I will use your video and citations for my dissertation on challenging dogma in ecology!!;p
You’re the best! Thank you for putting this out there and for using actual research in your videos 🙌🏼 I make everyone watch these haha! Keep doing what you do!
3:36 hair flip 😂😂😂
"Nobody has PTSD from a broccoli packing plant" hahahah so well said! :D glad i stopped eating meat.
Thomas B. Ok soy boy lol
This is so true :) I'll have to fo a video on this ;) Thanks Mic! keep up the good work
I love your videos! I am so trilled to have found your channel, I became vegan back in August of 2017, and had given up dairy the year before and meat the year before that. I love all the information you provide about health and veganism.
Another great video Mic. This is not a refutation(since I can't) just an observation. Discussions of this type - what diet we are naturally suited / evolved to eat are to my mind of limited value. It's easy enough to cherry-pick, even fairly find evidence, for an omnivorous diet throughout our evolution. You wanted a link so here is it is www.vrg.org/nutshell/omni.htm by John McArdle, Ph.D., an anatomist and primatologist, a vegetarian, and scientific adviser to the American Anti-Vivisection Society.
I think we need to move this discussion away from what we evolved to eat and toward we are best adapted to eat now. I am much more impressed with the work of Esselstyn et all showing the numerous health advantages of a plant-based diet. Another thing to note is we, vegans, don't have to win this argument, we only have to tie. Even if it's possible to eat a healthy omnivorous diet or a healthy plant-based diet, the only ethical choice is the one that doesn't necessarily involve the killing and enslavement of non-human animals. Ties go to the vegans.
wish I could like this comment more than once!
The second half of your second paragraph is kind of genius : )
My thoughts exactly.
You obviously don't believe that "ties go to the vegans" or otherwise you people wouldn't find it necessary to make up stupid lies to promote your cause, like humans being herbivores. Clearly you agree that the "moral" issue is just a subjective and personal view so you need to come up with some (false) objective reason to support veganism that doesn't rely on people's morality.
Great video. There are other clues as well:
1) Carnivores make their own vitamin C, we do not because our early ancestors ate so much fruit
2) Carnivores preferred energy source is protein, ours is carbohydrate
3) Carnivores cannot make taurine (which can only be found in flesh), yet require it. We have no problems with making our own taurine
4) Carnivores cannot overdose on cholesterol, we can, with disastrous consequences.
5) Obligate carnivores require vitamin A in its preformed state and cannot make it from beta carotene like humans can
John China this makes no sense , all you are doing is comparing us to carnivores , when we are omnivores it isn’t black and white , your not just a carnivore or a herbivore you can be both .
That’s already been debunked by a real biologist
veganbiologist.com/2016/01/04/humans-are-not-herbivores/
@@lionandwolfboy8714 I don't think a Biologist really has the level of expertise to make that call, nice try though, lol
NingerSlayer why not?, they are professionals in human and animal biology , definitely way more of a professional than just some random vegan on the internet who is trying to say humans are herbivores and has no expertise in the field of science or biology.
@@lionandwolfboy8714 www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1312295/#:~:text=The%20connection%20between%20cholesterol%20and,atherosclerotic%20plaques%20experimentally%20in%20carnivores.
@@lionandwolfboy8714 Suppose we're physiological omnivores/carnivores, why does meat damage our heart health? Seriously, how are people this dense? Domesticated dogs, actual physiological omnivores, don't get heart disease, nor do carnivores. It's literally that simple
LOVE this!!! Excellent points throughout. I lmao'd after the calcium is only in milk part!! If I had a favorite nutrition/diet channel this would be it!!
I wonder why the people of Okinawa JAPAN suddenly switched TO plants in the 1940s A certain historical events may have cause this
Your videos make me SO happy, and keep me inspired to be living a plant-based lifestyle.
We are made to eat whatever we can in order to survive, it’s why we survived the ice age and thrive theresfter
Nope.
Loved the first version of this video and also this updated one.
Its incredible to see the proof. Love the analysis and synthesis of the studies. I am truly so grateful.
Thank you for having the perseverance and patience to make all these videos. much respect and admiration
I appreciate that because those are the two biggest challenges. Thanks.
@@MictheVegan You have great technical skills.
Diabetic here. I still need insulin, but I did cut back on my dosages by about 33% when I went vegan
I love this channel so much omg I'm so happy I found this
thanks for the video. love ya Mic!
"no PTSD in broccoli packing plant" LOL.
"Calcium can ONLY be found in dairy" HAHAHAHAHHAHA :D
LOVE YOUR VIDEOS!!
Hello,
Can you do a video on taurine please? I read somewhere that vegan diets are low in taurine and that it is bad for anxiety. It also said something about it's link to longevity but the anxiety part is what stuck out the most. Thank you!
Congrats on keeping your posture regarding stupid people on youtube! Great response video :)
I don't care if the video is long. I like your videos! Go in depth if you please!
Hey Mic! Love for your videos; they're so helpful for a new vegan like me! I really want to know, how has your youtube channel grown the awareness/cause of veganism?
Love your videos!
best video ever...
I just LOVE your video titles! They're a GREAT strategy to get non-vegans to watch your videos! Perfect!
Love this as always Mic 🎤👍🏼🙏🏼
i absolutely love the information in this video, as well as Mic as a person, i think he is awesome. Anyway i wish he would stay on the frugivore topic longer. Ive seen some information out there that shows the intestines, hands, and the natural athletic body types of our ape ancestors falling more under the frugivore category. It seemed as though we depended more on fruit giving trees more than anything. Even today our insides look more from a frugivore species than from an omnivore or even a herbivore. Anyway like i said, i love this channel, i hope you have fun if you choose to explore this topic :)
not trying to debunk your video, as I do not know the truth of reality. just out of curiosity, if evolution is the truth, would it not be best for humans to consume omnivorously, in order to evolve into the next phase?
David lastname we are smart because we have been doing this for 200 000 years. We survived because of this.
If we continue eating meat there will be no next phase because of the environmental effects meat industry has on earth, also we would run out of land for the meat to feed everyone.
If an idea challenges a person's belief system, the intelligent will question it, but the morons will just reject and defend their precious paradigm because otherwise they might have to face reality.
Char Covelesky best comment ever written
Char Covelesky Yes, Religious people and meat eaters are just like this!
What if I told you... we're not herbivores?
Yes just like how vegans reject the scientifically proven idea that humans are omnivores.
lol way to prove her point :') just an ignorant attack without any merit. what 'scientifically proven idea' (contradiction in terms) are we talking about?
Great Video Mic. I recently found your channel and can't stop watching. Would like to make to change to become a full vegan someday. Have made small changes so far. I have cut out eggs and butter so far and replaced them with almonds and avocodos.
love your videos!
"Omnivore is a consumption classification for animals that have the capability to obtain energy and nutrients from materials originating from plant and animal origin"
Notice that definition from Wikipedia says nothing at all about the long or short term health aspects of food sources, simply the capability to obtain energy and nutrients from both plant and animal. That makes us omnivores. You don't get to redefine a scientific term to suit your needs.
A plant based diet with minimal to no animal products does seem to be healthier but some studies have shown that diets including fish are healthier than strict vegetarian or vegan diets. I think some of the problems with your examples using modern populations of people who were historically more plant based is that they replaced small quantities of lean wild animals and fish with higher quantities of fatter, possibly hormone and antibiotic supplemented, factory farmed animals.
The jury still seems to be out on the ultimate health of a strict vegan diet, but even if it does turn out to be the healthiest, that would not change the biological definition of humans as omnivores.
You sicko.
@Kristina Rose " Vegetarian diets are associated with an overall lower incidence of colorectal cancers. Pescovegetarians in particular have a much lower risk compared with nonvegetarians. "
jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2174939
And Wikipedia CAN be a reliable source. You can find other sources saying the exact same thing for the definition of omnivore.
@Kristina Rose wikipedia is not but some crazy vegan on the internet apparently is
@Kristina Rose it is tho i am way after the middle school and i can say that
@Kristina Rose why wouldn't it be?
You get all the sources on the bottom so you can check yourself if you don't belive some cRazY wIkiPEdiA eDitORs
I eat meat but I feel quite guilty about it. It's very easy to ignore what happens to these animals when the meat doesn't look like an animal, doesn't smell like an animal and just in general shows no indication that an animal was slaughtered in the process. I'm so sick of people denying that it's wrong and trying to come up with these stupid excuses.
if you feel guilty about eating it, it's very easy to stop, and it makes you feel great:)!! I agree it's hard to connect the meat to a once living animal that didn't want to die, but I guess you just have to know it's true.
I plan on changing to a pescetarian diet soon :)
Branone that's awesome :) good luck to you. There are so many reasons not to eat animals :) by the way if you haven't heard of them, Cowspiracy, Food Choices, and Earthling are awesome documentaries
changed your diet yet?
yet you are doing the same
Thanks for this video! Love it!
if we're best suited for plants why do most people have a problem digesting most vegetables
You make the best videos.
Ya know what? I'm just gonna say this: I eat animal products everyday (with plants too) and I get plenty of exercise and my doctor says I'm perfectly healthy. I don't care if you vegans consider it "animal abuse" or "unnatural". If a person who specializes in health who probably studied it a huge portion of their life says what I'm doing is okay then I'm going to continue doing it.
doctors receive almost no nutritional training, and nutrition is the most important aspect of health. Your doctor could easily be very wrong.
@@intralimpidus6216 but they can read medical charts. If he has had blood work done recently and had his weight and vitals checked, and all of that checks out, the doctor is probably not wrong. just saying.
@Citizenthirteen haha, literally, if your weight is within healthy limits, and you have no deficiencies in any macro or micro nutrients, that is basically the definition of health. ( throw in a blood pressure test, heart rate check, and give the old lungs a listen and barring any other symptoms, you are probs good to go and your nutritionist can't do better) You don't need a nutritionist to test these things my friend haha. and kind souls like yourself are the reason i will never adopt the label of vegan or vegetarian even at times when my diet basically falls into either of those categories. I didn't even comment on the fact of being vegetarian or vegan lols. i pity your health since you have so little faith in your medical professional. I didn't even talk about a doctors nutritional training. I only said that they can diagnose your health based on scientific tests that are literally designed to test your health. not sure how this makes me stupid, but I am excited to hear your rationale- of course I dont accept" because you're stupid" or "because you're obviously a savage nazi perpetuating another holocaust " as acceptable reasons. the first is just repeating what you already said. the second is a strawman at best, and just heartless and insensitive to actual victims of the holocaust at worst. looking forward to your reply=)
Well done Mic! Thank you for sharing and combating these erroneous narratives!
great video as always! I did a double take when I seen I want subscribed! needless to say but that was corrected immediately.👍👌