ArchiCAD or Revit Which BIM Software is BEST
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- ArchiCAD or Revit in 2020? It has been the age old question for decades, now its time to settle the debate.
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VIDEO DETAILS:
00:00 Intro
01:02 Price (Revit)
01:33 Price (ArchiCAD)
02:12 Conceptual Design
03:22 Parametric Design
04:14 Documentation
10:01 Visualisation
14:11 Pros and Cons
16:22 Verdict
18:45 Outro
ArchiCAD and Revit are both very power BIM software tools. But when they are the two industry leaders, it quickly becomes hard to pick which one is better. Today we look at the benefits of learning ArchiCAD vs the benefits of learning Revit. We breakdown the price of both Revit and ArchiCAD, we investigate the conceptual design capabilities of each and well as their parametric design limitations. As documentation tools they each bring their own strengths to the table. Revit has a much better documentation platform set up ready to go. Whilst ArchiCAD inadvertently requires you to download a few extra plug ins that cost just the little bit too much. If 3D is all you care about, well these two projects are where you should be looking. ArchiCAD has been playing catch up for a few years now, but since is acquisition of Twimmotion and Unreal Engine, we are going to see ArchiCAD renders really take to their own in the coming years.
A very important note is if you’re an Apple user, ArchiCAD runs natively on mac, whilst Revit requires you to download parallel or any other windows emulator.
Verdict? That’s simple. Watch the video to find out!
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Fun fact, I first used ArchiCAD back in 2003. It was BIM before BIM was a thing. It was a true 5D program back then. Another fun fact, Revit was designed by Architects first. The Rev in Revit comes from Revise, that was its initial concept, quick revisions. Autodesk bought Revit because AutoCAD Architecture was a dead horse out of the box. Today, I only use Revit because of integration and collaboration as well as a trained work force. Only two firms use ArchiCAD where I live.
Awesome video. Team archicad here :) For residential design I think that Archicad + BIMx is really the best for quick presentations. Hopefully there will be soon a datasmith for macs between archicad and unreal engine 4.
Loved to hear your view on both programs. A big thing you could've coverd is the teamwork of both programmes... It comes with a cost also to get it up and running. Like BIMcloud for archicad or setting up an office server... Would love to hear how Revit handles teamwork 😊
Shared!!
A good video comes 2 days before the launch of archicad 24.
But it is a very sincere opinion that is much appreciated.
The new version is already an open competition to gain the appreciation of structural engineers.
Things are going to get good. Competition is good for everyone.
Thank you! Considering the great response this video has had, I will be making a follow up for sure!
@@DavidTomic We will be attentive to your channel 😀
True
@@DavidTomic yes please
Learning ArchiCAD why don't you play clean and show the prices
I have already made my decision...I ❤️ Archicad !!
Dear mentor can you tell me where im learn archicad please.
Bad decision.
why?
@@mr.martex Because Archicad is built upon a beautiful concept imitating the real construction process ( the ATTRIBUTES ). Modifying Elements on the run with the "PET PALETTE" is a wonderful thing...I likeThe way Data is extraxted for use in Schedules...and many more other things...
@@ghassankanaan1767 I would like to work with ArchiCAD to see if it less messy than Revit. Unfortunately I would use it only working independently, since big architectural offices use Revit here in Canada. Revit is strange to use, restricts design and makes it less creative. It collapses if walls are not perfectly parallel and will not let you place dimensions, meaning that Frank gehry and Daniel Libeskind need special assistant to use this program.
I think everyone should learn both. There shouldn’t be a question of which one is better because it depends on the project type. In some cases is much more enjoyable to work with ArchiCAD and in other with Revit because there are some tasks that you can do very easy in one and in the other could be a real pain. What I’ve learnt is that it is easier to work with ArchiCAD at existing buildings, or new buildings with basic shapes, but it is easier to create a complex building with Revit. My advice is to learn them both and to start with Revit, because if you start with ArchiCAD you will find Revit a nightmare.
Haha that is very true and good advice Vladimir!
But one can't be perfect in all programs, there are dozens of programs out there, one can be good in one or two programs, all the others will be just basic knowledge which more or less is similar in all programs.
Just my opinion...🤷 It is better to know one program at a high level than two programs at low or medium levels...
smart
Agree on this. For the last year we are using AC software at school then now I attend a short course of Revit. Man, i like to quit the course as I think Revit sucks.
Dear, congratulations for your channel.
Just to inform, the latest version of Archicad (AC 24) includes MEP, it is no longer necessary to incorporate Plug-in.
This video was made pre-24. Mondays video will explain v24 in great detail. Thank you for the feedback
Yes , true !!
Wow really, that’s my answer! Thank you for this great video
Thanks for this amazing information on the two.. Been using Revit wonderful to know archicad capabilities
Next mondays video is on archicad 24 which was just released today. Youll be surprised how much of a competition archicad is to revit now! Hope to hear from you on that video too :)
Thank you so much for your help here. You made things more clear in my mind!
Glad I could help!
Really good to hear an unbiased opinion. Well done!
Thanks!
Thanks a lot.
Jazakallah khiren.
You did a great explanation about both softwares. In uni we learned first Revit and after it was Archicad(it was like ten years or more ago). Back then I really did not liked the Archicad workflow and how the whole software was design, so I sticked with Revit until now. It was interesting to see that Archicad was further developed. A guess it is important for each of the users how they feel in the program and if the modelling process comes natural or not.
I wish success to everyone who is starting with a 3D modelling.
I think because you learnt revit first you liked it more. I find the 3D views in archicad nicer but the UI or revit better.
Thank you for making this video!
Glad I could help
Thank you! It's very useful.After see video,I really know what I need.
Yes, please do make a video on the topic of parametric designs.
Yes Yes
Great video. Thank you.
Thank you for your sharing!
Glad i could help!
Nice video! Likes watching it.
Not the comparison I was expecting though.
I think you should make a video explaining the pros and cons in both modeling and Documentation stage. Especially since you've got extensive experience in both. that would be very interesting to watch.
U make a very good point on Revit being more up to task for complex parametric modeling.
I've been a Revit user for the last 2,5 years at a firm which does both Arch and Structural, but mostly structural.
Somehow I'm connived that ArchiCad is both faster and more intuitive. Mainly because of the UI and also because I realy dislike the family concept for doors and windows.
I think what we all need from a comparison video is the differences in workflow from all disciplines (Arch, Structural and Installation/MEP).
So depending on that your area is. It would be nice to see how you compare it.
You've mostly made comparisons between their features. Would be more interesting to see/hear comparison between workflows in modeling and documentation stage.
When comparing render options I think you should stick to comparing what's possible out of the box.
Vray as plugin for Revit is most def. a winner. and exporting to 3Ds max well....you have Vray, Corona, Redshift, Octane etc. etc. not to talk the other apps like Cinema 4D, Blender etc.
1 more question:
Whats your opinion on this new BricsCAD?
At first I didn't took it serious, but after watching their videos It looks like Its gonna have the best of all worlds. it's like SolidWorks/Invetor has fused with a Arch/Strcutural/MEP BIM app.
Of course the question is how It would hold up in a real project
Thank you for making this video sir. This is my first time watching one of your videos and I didn't mind that it's quite long (19mins) because the content is interesting and on point. Im a drafter living in the Philippines. Currently I'm using AutoCAD for work in our office and do the 3D models and rendering in separate software. I'm planning to transition in BIM but I don't know which software to use that's why I'm looking for this kind of videos or content. After watching this video, it helps me to decide and I go with Revit 💙
Glad i could help Mary! All the best and if you every want to see more content, just let me know :)
Thank you sir ☺️
@@imcyrahalasan which you think to use Arhicad or revit?
@@vishnunot7920 It depends on your preference and budget sir because both software can deliver good result in BIM process.
Great video man. Super useful.
Glad to hear it mate!
Thanks for the video upload, now subscribed. Great content.
Glad to have you here!
Merci ! C'est super clair et très complet !
I work in Revit, and have started using Twinmotion to render our projects. This software is exceptional with a very short learning curve .... the renderings that I have been doing have been excellent and I still have lots of learning to do
Twinmotion is amazing and its only getting better!
I started with Revit in university but you're right, it's far more difficult to learn which wasn't ideal as a student because I had to do sketches, then study for History and Philosophy of Architecture then do a million other things. I found that ArchiCad won hands down in that respect. It was quicker to learn, had a friendlier interface and unlike Revit it's amazingly intuitive. In practice I still use ArchiCAD and if hasn't given me problems and gets better and better with each new version. Architects and designers already have too much to deal with, the complexity of our design program shouldn't be one of them and that's what ArchiCAD has gotten right from the start. ArchiCAD is powerful once you can learn to harness it's true power.
Agree completely. The beauty of archicad is that its extremely flexible; It can be as simple or as complex as you make it to be and still get the job done. It took me a while to get around some of its quirks, which werent quirks in the first place just different way to do things, but now i know it i wouldnt change it for the world
Beautiful response. ArchiCAD feels great.
My question is, is it possible to form an hat using ArchiCAD. If yes please how?
Great analysis. I used Both for several years, both are great softwares. I agree that overall AC is better for smaller projects, multi platform and really stable. I do believe both have insane price tags, no other big industry has such pricing strategies.
Agreed. I guess when you look at the next most used program (sketch up) the differences in quality and ability are insane. The price difference somewhat makes sense but at the same time is extremely high, especially for small or new firms just starting out
Revit is easier to learn than archicad. Archicad is much more complicated. Revit is intuitive.
I'm engineer and hate ArchiCAD files exported to CAD. You see a layer named "0.1"and you know your gonna expend 2 days adapting the damn file to used it in your work. Revit otherwise exported files clean and beautiful. You find a layer named 'A-DOOR' and you thank God for the 2 days saved of your life.
I would say that CAD software for industrial application is typically (a lot) more expensive than 3D tools like Revit. Look at Aveva PDMS & Smartplant 3D... Premium piping/muti-disciplines software, with a price to match...
Try to drag and drop an Autocad file into Revit and then tell me about intuitiveness.....
thank you! Your video is very useful for making decision! Appreciate!
Glad I could help
Thank you very much!!!
The best video) Very useful.
Glad i could help!
Revit for me. Acquisition difficulties shouldn't be a drawback.
WOW!!!SUPERB COMPARISON
I've been working with ArchiCAD for a long time and with Twinmotion since day one. It's so much fun to see the grogram evolve. It just keeps getting better and better. Now we use ArchiCAD for laboratory planning and we build our own 3D GDL library, which worked perfect. Thanks for the Video!
I learned ArchiCAD first and then Revit when I was a student. I hated ArchiCAD right off the bat. Everything about it seemed needlessly convoluted and complex modelling simply wasn't possible. Even placing drawings on sheets was ridiculously over-complicated. The following year I was introduced to Revit and I haven't looked back for almost 10 years now. Way more customisation, better UI, better drawings, better renders and just generally better to use. I'm baffled by all the comments claiming AC is more intuitive. It just isn't, unless your intuition is to add a whole bunch of unnecessary steps to simple tasks such as cutting holes in geometry and joining walls to roofs. Wait until you try doing a door and window schedule!
I use Revit exclusively in my own business. Unfortunately this year I agreed to assist a fellow designer by doing some drawings for him here and there when he gets bogged down, and he uses ArchiCAD. So far I've managed to resist the temptation to suggest that maybe the reason he's bogged down is due to his software choice. After refreshing my AC knowledge for the past few months, nothing's changed. I still hate it and it's just as backwards as ever. In summary: AC makes simple things complicated and complicated things simply aren't possible. Revit might have a steep learning curve but once you've got it down, you can do just about anything - and much more quickly.
Great Video David! I would like to make a small observation regarding the Archicad software price. The licence has multiple options. The base price is somewhere in the ballpark of what you said, but it is per licence dongle key (which you can use indefinitely) and in parallel you have the option to pay a subscription fee yearly which will guarantee any future editions of Archicad (in my case the subscription is around 500 euros). So if you want to stop paying for the subscription, you will keep the licence but will not be able to get future versions. Also if you want to skip a year or two of your subscription, you have a different offer to reinstate it. This might depend on the local retailer, but the subscription price in the case of Archicad is way better than Revit.
I think because my firm has been with archicad for over a decade, we have a very good subscription rate, they even provide us with a very low cost (if not even free) upgrade per year. The costings seem to vary so much across the world which I don't think is fair.
@@DavidTomic I do understand this marketing retail strategy that they have, because the sales seem easier to manage. If it s fair, I really don't know, because it depends on the offer of the retailer. As I saw, the upgrades are free as long as you are subscribed (plus some online courses), or in my case part of Archiclub (that's what they call the subscription), and this is valid in Spain and Romania, from two different retailers.
In the end I think the price fluctuations are normal, based on the local trends and retailer choices, but indeed it would be awesome for them to directly sell the licenses and subscriptions, it would give a little more transparency..
Great vid! Students should also consider what is most used in their territory too, almost nobody uses archicad where I live, while Allplan is starting to grow some leverage in engineering firms in my area.
Thanks.. that really helped 👌
Glad I could help
Good Explaination
This was an extremely good review and comparison. Best i've seen TBQH.
I'm an ArchiCAD user and based on what you're saying ArchiCAD is best for me.
Still would like to know the basics of Revit though.
I guess it comes down to your needs and what your company uses. I taught myself Revit during my undergraduate degree and ended up using in practice for 2 years. I went back to university and just finished my master's, and a couple of places I've recently had interviews use ArchiCAD so I'm looking to transition.
Can you tell me how to learn archicad online plz.
@@minahilkashif344 get yourself into an organization that uses archicad as a student while following an internship for a degree in architecture, or buy the online course (my supervisor did this for me) and do that. You could also do it through youtube but good luck with that, getting stuck in bim modeling software can suck.
Nice comparison video David! On the visualization side, I'd definitely give Archicad the advantage as it's way more immersive and smooth in 3D OpenGL, and has much more realistic presentation while live in the software. Keep the vids coming!
Pretty good analysis. Archicad is definitely my preference. Looks like your video came out just before Archicad 24 which improves collaboration with engineers even better.
This is correct. I have made a new video explaining archicad 24 and the new bim features :)
@@DavidTomic , thanks! Just watched it.
Hi! Really good summary. Actually I was bit surprised how accurate this was. Only correction that I would like to make is that if you engineer in Europe then you might be better of with something else.
Thank you for this! Super cool video! A+++
Glad you enjoyed it!
Hi David, regarding your comment on why Revit is more easy to 3D visualize is simply because its an Autodesk software and 3ds Max is too. In fact if I am not mistaken there was is a shared library between these two when they are installed on the same system. Bottom line on this is that its not that Revit is “better” for 3D visualization but its because of the company’s portfolio of products. As for Archicad its in a similar position by using Cinema4D’s engine because both softwares are part of the Nemetschek company. Besides this both Revit and Archicad can use Vray which is a plugin render engine for both 3ds Max and Cinema4D which in reality means both can and do produce the same quality with the same render engine. The difference here is based on their parent companies which provide paths through either 3ds Max or Cinema4D. Besides this as you have mentioned there are other options as well.
Nice review thx!
I can use both but for my job Archicad is perfect
I think that the future of archiviz will be more related to real time ray tracing sw like enscape and D5 render and twin motion of course once it will be really unreal engine based
Thanks! And yes I completely agree with you. The more powerful computers get and the quicker we can ray trace at high end levels the more accepted and widely used the software will become
Very good review! I learned Revit in Design school but my current job uses Archicad and so far I like it. Like you said, pretty easy to learn for basic building and I really like the easy documentation abilities. The only thing I wish is that, as you mentioned, they had a larger library. Their library, for lack of better words, sucks! And as an interior designer, having a strong, flexible and editable furniture library is a must! They need something like the sketchup 3D warehouse (whose items can actually can be imported into Twinmotion, and I think Archicad too) but if they had a larger platform like this where people could build models and share them to be automatically imported into Archicad, it would take Archicad to an interior designer's dream level!
I've found a few websites that are useful for furniture but they are SO expensive! Nobody is willing to share good libraries anymore because they are a very big asset to companies now, especially with social media rendering firms
@@DavidTomic That makes sense. It's too bad because it would make the program so much more effective. But I do believe that 3D warehouse models can be imported into Archicad.
I've tried one or two before and the issue was materiality. It imported it as a white model with no parameters. Never tried too hard to figure it out but im sure its possible
Hi! I’m learning design too! Can you recommend what program I should use for more unique forms?
@@flowerdi1458 For interior design I'd definitely opt for Sketchup if you want a wide variety of models and easy access to Vendor models. Most vendors who supply BIM models offer them in a Sketchup file. Next would be ArchiCAD. They have a pretty flexible built in library, but if you need more, you can import from Sketchup 3D warehouse.
Buen video hermano, haces bien el análisis :)
Un saludito desde México
Greetings and great to have you here! Loving all these comments with your locations around the world. amazing to see the power of the internet in person.
thanks for your sharing!!
by a freshly graduated architecture student
Love this video ❤️👌🏻 make video more about good way of small project documentation on revit, so we can get idea about how we can make it more efficient. P.S. I love your way of narration and the background Blue LED colour you added on wall.😁
Don't use revit too often anymore sadly. Happy to make videos on documentation but they'll have to be archicad related 🤣 shouldn't really matter too much as what you're looking for is productivity inspiration which can come from any software package! stay tuned ill add it to the list!
@@DavidTomic yes 👏🏻 no problem. I’m also waiting for this video. Thanks a lot for making such wonderful videos. Love your channel.
I’ve been using Revit for 9 y and recently Enscape as render plugin. Most of the people involved in BIM software here in USA are Revit. I’ll probably learn AC. You need to talk about Structural-Civil-MPE, which one does better for consultants.
Thank you for the video but I love Revit as a junior architec
nice video! in the long run all softwares ends up having the same function, since they copy from each other.
I think is really important choosing the one that is most diffused in your area since it's gonna be easier to find a job.
If it's a tie then i simply choose with the user interface i like more
Well, no... great video. I've been following you for a while and I'm so happy, your videos are so instructive and detailed. 3 years later, what do you think of it today ?
Thank you for the video! I have 3 days remaining to choose one of the two programs that I'll be taught at college. I still can't make up my mind, but hopefully, I'll choose well.
I guess I'll flip a coin if I won't decide by the day D. :D
If someone is teaching you, pick revit. Archicad is easier to learn on your own.
@@DavidTomic Probably will do, thank you for the tip!
I am in a same situation Vojta :) I will probably choose Revit too.
Revit!!!
What I really like from Revit, is the "copy monitoring" to control the changes from the other consultants using Revit. I'm in the modular prefabricated buildings industry, where we have to create entire complex with different groups and parametric elements, the same applies for the mechanical and structural linked models that I can adjust directly with the copy monitor" tool, so they know what the required changes are almost in real time.
I don't know if you have the same tool in Archicad, specially if you upload other models made with different programs.
Based on my understanding of that feature I think it has just been introduced in archicad 24.
@@DavidTomic thank you for the info
@@DavidTomic BTW, how good or bad is the Archicad support? Here in North America we have very good tech support from Autodesk, almost in real time. I had the chance to work in "massive" projects, up to 3Bll in one case, and when things get really difficult, the tech support is critical.
@@MarioSeoane Not an architect, but I was an IT Director for quite a few years at a firm that ran ArchiCAD on macs. I'd say the support depended on who you got. Front line wasn't always great, but 2nd and third level were decent and diligent.
I will add the one thing the author left out. If you don't want to go to the cloud, you can't control all of your projects in BIM 360. Graphisoft BIM Cloud will let you maintain a pretty big catalog locally--especially if you can go beyond the layman's BimCloud set up. ArchiCAD-->Bimserve/Cloud is ideal for VPN, because users work locally and only send deltas.
Archicad is the fastest and simpliest way to create something very complicated. For instance: A complete roof sceleton - 2-3 clicks, editing windows and doors - 4-5 clics, creating composite walls or slabs - 3-4 cliks. Entire 2 story house will take you less than 2 hours with all documents prepared.
Revit or Archicad?
Wow
It’s a great overview about this softwares.
I think a big different is also the implementation of information in those programs. AC can easily put costs, fire resistance, materials and a lot more information in it just in the fist steps. So you’ll already receive a really detailed information in BIM IFC Model after the fist steps.
Twinmotion is owned and now developed by Epic Games. Ever since they took over Twinmotion development has dramatically improved. It's really awesome now. It's also way cheaper than Vray and Lumion and super easy to learn. Twinmotion also has direct link plugins for Archicad, Revit, SketchUp and many others. I used to use Vray and am never going back at this point.
I have to disagree a little bit, the people always says that Archicad is good for small projects, BUT you can make big BIG projects with archicad, from industrial, highrise to Master Plans , and runs perfectly
*Edit: btw amazing video 👍
This is 100% true, and some of the worlds biggest firms use archicad. I just think if you had the choice to start from day one and planned on being a big firm, revit is better today. Maybe not tomorrow, but today it is still a better software. (I use archicad everyday too so thats hard for me to say haha). Thanks for the comment and kind words!
Hi David, I'm an industrial designer from VIC, graduated from Monash Uni, then I did interior architecture that introduced to Archicad, honestly I got addicted to it, at the the start I couldn't get my head around it, but with a lot of practice I managed to get it right 😮, I really appreciate your work and thank you for making this video, good luck bro 👍
Hey Romario, good to hear fellow Aussies loving ArchiCAD. It was honesty hard for me as well to make the move from revit to archicad but from a career decision it has been amazing. If you ever want to see any arch related vids, let me know; I'm always looking for ideas 😂
@@DavidTomic Thanks a lot mate, I promise I will, me too I started with AutoCad then I moved to different softwares, then when I started to study building design generally I got hooked on Arch. I couldn't stop since 🧐😂
The ARCHICAD - Grasshopper Live Connection has existed since AC18, so it's nothing newly added for ver 23. 😉
dont you need 3 software tho? rhino, GS plugin and archicad, makes revit cheaper
@@And_Rec Rhino and Archicad combined is way cheaper than Revit in the long run. And the GS plugin is free.
New to Archicad, hope it will make me happy.
as long as you go with its flow it will! lots of luck
What do u say about it?
The time it takes to learn a software good... learn revit.. when you comes out you can easily learn archicad... I would like you to find someone to explain the Vectorworks compared to Ac and Revit.
I started in a Vectorworks office while I was studying in university, really regret that choice in desperation to land a student role. It took me so much time to find a better job later on because every large office disregarded my vectorworks experience. now I have been using Revit for a year I can share some comparison.
Pros
1. The learning curve for vectorworks is much less steep. most people will pick it up in no time. it's as intuitive as illustrator. Revit on the other hand will take a couple years to master.
2. The 2D drawings are somehow more eye-pleasing than Revit. the lineworks and fills are sharp and smooth. Revit on the other hand has an instant recognizable style that feels a bit rough.
3. Easier to land a job because fewer people are trained for it or willing to use it.
Cons
1. The offices who use vectorworks tend to be small and very likely it's because the boss and colleagues still use it as a 2D drafting tool. That's the main reason I left the platform. It was painful to watch them manually update every drawings for amendments.
2. I used vectorworks to model some large buildings such as school complex. Despite Vectorworks claims it's a true BIM software, its BIM ability is rather basic compared to Revit. It's parametric and you can attach BIM info to the components that's pretty much it.
3. Limited team collaboration, limited Engineering integration. There is no "sync to central" and worksheets. the team members basically work on individual files.
Basically Revit is a much more advanced package but come with a steep learning curve.
@@alexlj09 very informative
You are the best David 😍😇
Glad you enjoyed the video!
Great video!
I've never used ArchiCAD but I do recall that it's DWG exports were some of the most hellish files to ever have to work with (this being one of those firms forever stuck in 2D CAD). I think Revit is able to work with IFC files? If not I'd be very surprised.
Archicad still has average dwg export but it can also use IFC files.
Now it's OK with dwg export in Archicad.
osea q si me quiero complicar la vida Revit. Gracias buen hombre, saludos de Ecuador
Aya por el 2015 trabajaba con un Arqui que disegnaba clinicas (todos sus planos estaban en Archicad); y cuando mandaba los dwg a obra, todos tenian lineas dobles, objetos volando y eran pesadisimos.. #malasexperienciasenarchicad
si vas a hacer proyectos pequeños, entonces ve por archicad. Revit es usado de forma más profesional y para proyectos de mayor escala.
Grasshopper/ Dynamo are not just for sweeping forms and “expensive” buildings. In fact, if used correctly, these tools can generate immense cost savings, help manage project data & automate tedious tasks that would otherwise make our jobs repetitive and boring!
Hi kiran. Could it be possible You provide some examples of those tasks You can automate?
Thank you for the informative video. Now this confuses me more and I hope you thrown in your advise from where I stand.
We are running a small firm here in the Philippines. As of now, we are doing residentail and medium rise project. Our firm is planning to migrate to BIM soon. Personally I am leaning towards Archicad but one thing that I noticed is the greater number of users using revit over archicad locally. This will also be factor for our firm to choose since most of the designers available for hire mostly knows Revit. As of the moment I have yet to survey our existing team on which platform they are knowledgeable with, and Im betting that its revit.
If you are looking to start a firm that does its own work, archicad is very good for what you said you will be doing. Archicad 24 (which is my video tomorrow night) has lots of BIM features.
If you are planning on starting a firm that does work for other firms (like a drafting service for big firms when they're busy), revit will give you more companies to work with but archicad will let you charge more because not many contract drafting companies work on archicad so they're hard to find for firms.
Hope this helps you decide my friend, if not, watch tomorrows video on archicad 24 and this should help more
Pinoy Architect here go for Archicad. It is more Architect centric. I can help you out if you have my questions
@@robbyrobbyrobby hi sir pinoy architect also here, do you use archicad? I also want to learn this software.
Wahhh terimakasih sudah memberikan penjelasan
Salam arsitektur
I got into Revit back in 2002 with release 4.5. I got trial copies of Revit and Archicad at the same time to compare before buying and I found Revit so much easier. I picked up my copy on Friday and played with it over the weekend and by Monday was producing drawings. I believe the Revit tutorials are rubbish but fortunately I picked it up pretty quickly and this was before we had TH-cam tutorials everywhere. The main choice probably comes down to what is being used at were you want to work. Either way i hate autocad now and would never go back!
Hahahaha the sadest thing is people still use autocad 😂
@@DavidTomic heeey i still use autocad lmao 😥
@@DavidTomic
I still use pen and drawing board autocad and revit
Can import into sketchup and other render packages
And send off shore for serious stuff
What TH-camrs don't say is most documentation is going over seas
Kids learn it all and learn manual drawing designwork
Everything will go offshore
I bumb into a really old project recently, everything was in cad 2004. And the guy drawing it back them won't bother to use Xref and paper space. Everything was in model space. On the otherhand, I used revit since I finished university, so working on that cad file is a torture. But it's covid time and job is limited😕. I may hate CAD after this project.
The thing I have found about AutoCAD, Revit, Fusion 360, and really most Autodesk programs is that they are all CPU bound. Revit rendering won't touch GPU at all, Fusion is the same way. I just use Lumion to do rendering and walkthroughs.
Hey David, the video is very informative and insightful, but I am afraid the point where you mentioned that ArchiCAD owns Unreal Engine and Twinmotion isn't correct. Epic Games owns the rights to both the software UE4 and Twinmotion. And they support a lot of platforms like Revit itself for visualization.
Thanks for your thoughts. But some serious functionalities have been addressed:
Worksharing: Critical in small and large projects. Not mentioned.
Model breakdown: The key to work management and keeping information in safe containers but above all stoping file size swelling. Not mentioned.
BIM 360: Not mentioned.
So, all in all, it is a biased review.
I meant haven't been addressed..
This is true, but there are hundreds of features i didnt mention not just those. Also, I ended up recomened revit for most people, so not sure if its entirely bias?
what is a little bit annoying to me in Archicad compared to Revit is the fact that in ArchiCAD when you design in one view you don't have immediate results in other views. The other views updated only when they became active. I am a student who uses Revit a lot but I am also interested in learning ArchiCAD. From my first experience after getting a student license, this was immediately noticeable to me.
I'm not entirely sure what you mean because archicad auto updates everything. Unless your talking about layout pages and you've set them to manual update?
@@DavidTomic places two views side by side in ArchiCAD so you can simultaneously see both at the same time. One plan view and one 3d view. Start drawing a wall in the plan view. You are not able to see nothing in 3d view. End the wall command. Still nothing in 3d view. Then click inside 3d view. Now the view regenerated and you are able to see the wall. For me, this is a major minus in ArchiCAD.
@@DavidTomic No, David. What he means is AC does not support interactive multi-viewport. It's one of the most ridiculous things from AC. All other BIM sofwares-Revit, Vectoworks, ALL PLAN, ArchLine.XP supports multi-viewports and multi-monitor.
Very nice
Thanks!
Great video. I use archicad since version 9 on Mac and i have too tell that is very stable. I was thinking about learning Revit to be compatible with the industry but I'm not that confident about the software stability. Also I'm not that confident about the versions compatibility. Exporting Revit 2020 is possible to 2019 for those who didn't update ?
And is there a bimcloud teamwork alternative with Revit ?
I use archicad on a mac too and I think it runs flawlessly for the most part. In terms of revit, no it is not backwards compatibility sadly, but yes they do have a workshare system that is very similar to bimcloud. Rumour is on extremely large projects it is a bit slow and painful but otherwise works very well.
Lumion is also an option for real-time rendering for both software
Lumion is a fast render ..real time is something like Unreal and twinmotion
@@mohammadalammouri2986 enscape is the real deal and very big thing VR!
Enscape for bang for buck everyday for me
@@aarons1817 only issues for us are: 1, twilight render is hard to match Vray, 2, no interactive material change in VR, we have to use Eyecad VR for interior
Most 3D CAD/BIM tools can save to DWG and IFC format which can be linked into Revit. I would argue that Revit is an easier tool to learn if you haven't used other BIM tools before. Or if you are a seasoned, but open-minded CAD user AND understand how a building is put together. ArchiCAD is an object-based 3D CAD tool that evolved into a BIM tool. Revit is a purpose-built parametric BIM tool.
From someone who knows them both very well, I have to disagree. Revit is a better program but it is harder to learn. I always advise learning revit first though because it makes learning archicad easier if need be.
@@DavidTomic better in what sense?
@@DavidTomic I started studying both programs at the same time 15 years ago. I came to Revit because it was easier to understand the structure of the program. A couple of years ago I tried to learn AC again, but I also came to the conclusion that Revit is easy to understand, very versatile and very friendly with other programs.
In Europe Revit costs 2.900€/anno without any plugins. Archicad costs 3.750€ once and you pay around 150€/anno for getting the latest version every year, but you are not forced to pay that, so you can keep the old license forever. If you don't want to pay the Revit abonnement, you lose your license. Regarding to this Archicad costs much less than Revit.
Both are very expensive to start with, especially considering euro to aud is basically double! But there is a big partition from major firms in the works sent to autodesk because the price of revit is too high
150€ per year? where?
Great video! Archicad (very happy) User here!
Thank you!
please talk about dynamo as well as rhino and grasshopper
For me, the only thing that matters between this 2 program is more about graphical display... Need to be enjoy with what we design and editing in 3D perspective view is really important.
You must be an archicad user then 😂
Exactly.......... Revit is a software made by engineers for engineers ........ Archicad is far more intuitive and flexible
Hi David. I like the way you explain things. I have been using Revit since 2009 and I have been trying to learn Archicad and Vectorworks, so I have more options to provide my services. Please, aan you make a comparison between Vectorworks and Archicad? Thanks.
Hi Nelson, I will do my best for you and try schedule it in soon
Thanks for a very fairly positioned comparison, on the Revit front a couple of point - For residential, the comment that Archicad is more forgiving leads me to understand that you don't need to be very accurate, this is a worry, big or small both builds need to work. Also for small residential works buy Revit LT, the light version, it's soooo cheap by comparison to either Full Revit or Archicad and will give you all tools house builders need, the difference being it does not include the high level MEP tools or collaboration tools required for big commercial project, and there is a Revit LT Suite, again super cheap Vs Full and that include AutoCAD Lt. I use Twinmotion with full Revit there is a plugin so its' right there on the ribbon. For rendering also consider the Lumion or Enscape, the latest version of Lumion also does live updates with your architectural model.
David; Your video was great. I think it had a good balance. Since your office uses archicad, I could sense your liking to the program. However, I also noticed that it was well balanced and applaud your effort to be be neutral to both programs. Well done!
Thank you for the kind words!
We started to use Archicad in our office recently
How are you finding it?
Yeah how are you finding it?
Really nice comparison there. But you could have also mentioned Cinema 4D for visuals ;-)
Excelente.
Revit user here :)
Great breakdown....Lumion is aso a very good rendering engine that rivals Twinmotion both blow Enscape out the water
Yes I keep hearing good things about luminon. Havent used it for a few years but it does sound promising.
yeah bit it cost 3000
@@yamhyamh You're right about that. Twinmotion is the more cost effective solution..and because its backed by Unreal Engine its constantly improving and catching up with Lumion and its FREE with an Epic Games subscription
Hi david, great video! I have a question on Archicad, I actually studied Interior Architecture in Sydney 10 years ago, and at the time we learnt a bit of AutoCad, Vectorworks and Sketchup. In London where live now, various interior arch studios use either Autocad or Vectorworks (predominantly) and knock up quick 3D renders in sketchup with some Vray if required. However, I do feel a bit "out-dated" at 35 years old, using 2D software and then taking it into sketchup.... Would you say ArchiCad is now the new "standard" of people coming out of Uni? ...I'm keen to learn new software to stay up to date, but I don't want to put time into a software that is not used that universally around the world. I worry that just knowing vectorworks and Autocad is going to make it harder for me to get jobs in the future. The quality of work I see by people in their early 20s, is very impressive and frankly, quite scary! I mostly work on residential interiors, some smaller commercial spaces and some exterior modifications and extensions. Thanks!
Hi! I personally think knowing archicad gives you a big advantages of autocad and vectorworks users. Many interior architects in Australia still use sketch up, but i find if you've built a library of furniture in archicad it is so much better! There is nothing worse than having to redraw work because of the limitations in software. Having said this sketchup does have the ability to use twinmotion as well, which is an extremely powerful 3d visualisation tool.
You are right when u say the future scares u a lil bit. I really think you should learn ArchiCAD. Its not that difficult to get started with and by the time u reach the harder parts u'd probably be enjoying it. In India we use AutoCAD, Sketchup, 3DS Max and Photoshop right out of college although AutoCAD is highly favoured in most offices and colleges. Meanwhile in East Africa u cannot get a job at an architectural firm unless u are competent in ArchiCAD which i had to learn just recently. Infact, u are nearly not an architect in Uganda or Kenya unless u know ArchiCAD. Revit is an acceptable alternative
Great review!! I'm really enjoyed!
My opinion is, Revit is more "serious" ,and Archicad is easier to learn, BUT if know AutoCad as an base Cad software, it hepls you to learn each of them 🤷♂️.
For now it's enough to know AC,but I guess, I need to "grow up" with Revit )
Anyway, great review, you've done good job!
Best regards!))
its the inverse that's true imo. Revit is more production oriented, and lacks the critical tools to actually practice the art of design.
hi thanks for the info. If I want to learn a program from the two so i can be able to do quick estimates of materials be it steel concrete whatever, which one is the better. and if an architect is designing using archicad and design engineer has used autocad for detailing, what is the easiest way to get the quantities of steel and so on. please advice. thanks
Both can do it..more options on revit to my knowledge
I worked with revit, archicad, autocad. Archcad is number one
You don’t even need IFC files if the entire consultant team works on Revit… just create a federated model for clash detection. If you say ArchiCad is an open source BIM programme by allowing for BIM coordination with IFC files, Revit can be called open source BIM programme as well since it can link and export IFC files easily.
At work I'm using Rhino+Grasshopper.
I am a Revit user and my primary complaint is more with the company behind it. They have been very slow to make any major improvements to the software yet require a subscription to use it. It got to the point where multiple firms sent an open letter to the company asking them to address it. The companies reply was basically "deal with it we have our own plans".
Yeah I'm aware of that letter and response. It was pretty savage from autodesk if im being honest. But they know these major firms have invested millions into developing templates and systems that work with revit, so they also know nobody will change. Way too expensive for what it is in my personal opinion! Worth looking into archicad if you have the ability to switch, they truly are trying to invest and push further even though they are behind.
@@DavidTomic Revit is the predominate software here and the odds of finding a firm that uses ArchiCAD are about 1 in 50. I would like to learn it just for the fact I enjoy learning new software and to open more opportunities.
Wow that is a serious stat! Where do you live if you dont mind me asking. I feel as if Australia is more like 1 to 10, but I could be wrong, that's my experience in Western Australia only.
@@DavidTomic Central US. Very little ArchiCAD here.
Interesting! Thanks for the feedback!
workingg!!
i'm using both . depend on project . Revit is True Bim and Archi Cad More Freedom and easier .
Modeling:
1. Revit
2. Archicad = 3ds max
..
99. Sketch up
Rendering:
1. Lumion
2. Twinmotion
3. Enscape = vray
I didn't even know you buy license per year for Archicad. I bought mine for life, one time payment.
It is a one off payment correct but you only get that version. Upgrade fees are the killer
I am a revit user in an engineering office in Brazil. I'm an architect, but the only one on a team of 15 engineers. So Revit was the team's choice, and I don't see any problem with that. But I would like to know Archicad a little more. It seems to be incredible software for architects. Thanks for the video
Edmar, gostaria muito de trocar informações com outros profissionais da área. Trabalho com Archicad e já trabalhei com Revit. Acho o intercâmbio de informações e experiências muito importante e saudável. Se quiser faça contato comigo no e-mail contato@toriengenharia.com
What If I'm a mechanical engineer that is fluent in both Autodesk Inventor and ArchiCAD and I want to be able to put self-designed machines into self-designed building constructions? Will Revit work better back and forth with Inventor (due to them both being Autodesk softwares) to such an extent that it's worth learning Revit?
I've never used inventor to the extent I can offer a certain answer. But my understand of revit would suggest you should learn it. Autodesk is focusing on MEP for revit for the coming years. Definitely will be more powerful for your work.