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Is Ellen Just Way Too OP Compared To Every Other DPS? Let's Test Her Out Against Soldier 11 And Nekomata Teams In Shiyu Defense (The Hardest Endgame!) / zetomai / discord
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if I say I may end up like Dr Disrespect ☠
I dont have any 😢😢
Definitely Ellen I love her design, and I love shark tails! I don’t play ZZZ so I don’t know her gameplay that well, but still Ellen is probably one of my favorite characters even tho I don’t play. I’m not sure what her age is what she really is like as in uhh I don’t really know how to explain but anyway, she’s cool so def shark girl! ^^
Billy 😐
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Yeah the Nekomata Piper team should definitely have been included
yeah piper is such a big dps increase for that team.. piper herself does outta this world dmg hehe
Not to mention, Nekomata's passive on dealing more DMG with after assault debuff trigger
That's the same team I'm using by luck..
piper straight up outshines nekomata in that team comp though, you barely use neko
@@bookmarker2891 yeah you'd just swap to neko after piper does her thing pretty much o: since the physical set gets its bonuses after an assault proc its still not too bad to have neko come in and do some quick burst atleast :D
Basically, the whole reason is that Ellen has a team while no other standard dps does.
soldier 11 has a team, koleda/ben and lucy, but its members arent as strong as ellens team
Ellens team has so much overloaded tools it’s insane, double ice res down, up to 1k atk power buff, stunned damage amp, ice damage amp, soukaku w-engine buff on top of Ellens already overloaded kit lol
@@triptriad1101don’t forget Ellen’s own W-engine and her passive giving her crazy crit damage….
No, you didn't watched the whole video. Ellen is good even with only free A ranks, Lycaon is just a nice plus, while Soldier 11 needs Koleda to perform ok'ish.
Ellen with weapon solos everything alone, I don’t even have time to do a full rotation, it’s great tho because I really like her design.
Nekomata being this close without a proper support lineup is genuinely impressive
Also worth mentioning that Koleda was bugged (apparently, instead of her increasing her impact, her "buff" was decreasing it or something lile that. ^^;)
I've heard she got much better after her fix, though I don't if this video was recorded before or after it.
@@joaomarcoscosta4647the idea of a buff decreasing one of her stats is so funny to me
Wait for real? Koleda stonks go brrrrr@@joaomarcoscosta4647
Nekomata was running the most horrid team ever aswell, give nekomata a good team and she’s gonna do it in like 40 seconds
@@jefferygrandor7852 just wait until Jane doe (aka 5* Piper) gets released, probably gonna boost her a lot
I keep hearing you call the wolf man "Light Cone"
Same. XD
4:56 Did you know if you press C you change/parry to the previously in order character, I saw you pressing space twice to change to ellen, but you could just press C
I don't think ellen is far superior to 5 star characters in the standard banner, but I pulled her anyway because she is cute :)
Agree if you count ellen as herself, but her best team in my opinion is far superior than any team currently in game
@@HenzoStar- yeah her team have the best support and stuner in the game currently
She is definitely superior just because her banner has soukaku and the fact that Ellen has a good mix of aoe and single target whilst also having good multipliers on EX, Chain and ult. Also the ice infusion is much easier to get than Soldier. I would way that Soldier dps wise can be the same, but because her attacks are hard to get and they are mostly single target and hard to clump she falls behind Ellen. And I didnt consider her large skill energy consumption
@@HenzoStar-it is a team based game ur never gonna be using characters on their own
@@tuananhdang7385honestly, I prefer soldier 11’s infusion. Of rher, you just gotta time it properly, but for Allen, you gotta dash and can’t use your ex unless you have 2 stacks
They dont put Nekomata Piper Team? thats a Crime !!
Idk how they dont its literally her best team
Oh fancy seeing u here 😂
is it really?
They forget that Piper is doing attacker numbers, she is a powerhouse by herself as long as you can apply an element to the enemy that is not physical lol
Honestly, great content, thank you so much for comparing these dps for us, but what earned my sub was the taste in music. Hearing the Sunleth Waterscape again after all these years was a nostalgia trip I haven’t had in years, so thank you
As a brainless left clicker and my first 5* being Nekomata so I used her a bunch before getting Ellen, I'd say Ellen was way better in comparison. Went from 1:30~2:00 runs to less than 1:30 and even under a minute when i switched to Ellen.
Of course this was just my experience as someone who has skill issues, I wouldn't know how they perform at their full potential when used by the sweaty tryhards.
Most of the content in the game is ice weak rn, the whole game is tailored to ellen
I'm one of those sweaty tryhards
Nekomata's main letdown is her dash is up to chances. So if you are lucky you gonna dash a lot but if you don't then you came back to normal basic attack. I'd say nekomata is the easier S rank dps to use cause you just spam basic attack or if you have anomaly builder like piper wait to trigger and press ex attack
I'm curious why did you choose to make the comparison in Shiyu Defense instead of VR?
Isn't VR more consistent since you can control almost every parameters?
I think it's because Prydwen goes for meta only pretty much, if it's not good in Shiyu Defense, then they don't really care
BTW PIPER is actually better as a support for nekomata, her passive is also a damage buff for the entire team per stacks, and it makes Daze super easy. So in that fight, if you use Nekomata+Anby+Piper = You actually would be able to stun the boss 2-3 times in that single run and dish out insane amounts of asssault damage.
Is that even true? Piper takes so much fieldtime from your Neko, and her passive is only on her skill, not normal attacks
@@undeniablySomeGuyone of the first people to clear shiyu defense 10 uses Ellen hyper and Nekomata with Piper. Basically you just cycle with Nekomata and Piper the whole time (yes the third character almost doesn't get any field time) and for the third character they used Nicole for 30% def shred (chain atk)
The reason for this is because the physical drive disks really love assault (physical anomaly) and Piper is the best to proc it
You don’t even need Anby if u can proc assault a lot since it does big daze, so just slot in Lucy for the atk buff
Thanks as always for putting all the effort you do into your content :3
also there is a piper disorder team with s11&lucy that does insane burst damage and imo on par if not can be better than ellen especially early on in the game where crit stats are still unoptimized. i just happened to play that team by accident but im glad to see that nakfrg made a video covering that team as well
Just what I needed to see. Thank you!
Just proves how good my favorite light cone is
As Nekomata main, it makes me incredibly happy so see her get the spotlight she deserves. Go catgirl go :D
Please test Nekomata + Piper
Somehow got a really lucky start for ZZZ getting Lycoan, Ellen, and an MC6 Soukaku.
Looking to hopefully get Soldier 11 soon. She looks real fun to play 👍
Yooo same 😂
Me, A Grace main who loves tormenting my enemies with shock anomaly
I live how you played "Color You Night" in the background🔥🔥
Me and Billy will just sit in a corner and watch everyone using their meta team XD.
didn't expect to hear with the stars and us in the background of the video.
I think he have the perfect disk substat
the only reason Ellen is so good is because she have great supports right off the bat
Thank you for the video Zmm 🙏.
Nicole - piper - Nekomata shouldve been the team. Nicole quick swapping into piper can near instantly trigger disorder with a def shred and Piper herself has wonderful dmg and daze build-up that sets up for Nekomata.
When the team has energy, they should be pushing disorder, and when they dont they should be push raw dmg with Nekomata. It will drastically increase overall dps
3:35 girl just dabbed on the haters lmao
Do try the soldier 11, piper and lucy team
My Anton is honestly clearing stages faster than my Ellen.
Feel like one of the reasons why Ice Team is better because most of the content has advantages for Ice and/or Ether teams. You barely see stages where Fire and Physical have advantages.
I feel like after jane doe comes out (her being a 5 star physical anomaly) neko’s time might change by a little bit
Doesn't Jane Doe want different attribute characters to trigger disorder though?
I think Jane is better off with secondary anomaly (Grace) or a disorder team
@@dreamerryoumi2121nicole would work just fine. Shes unironically great and neko gives the synergy buff to both. The real question is in whether or not jane can proc assault faster than piper in that team.
Thank you for the super detailed comparisons, really appreciate all the effort to balance the playing field. Definitely would have liked to see the Neko-Piper-Lucy comp even if Prydwen neglected to mention it.
Would watch any future comparison vids like this!
Saving for Zhu yuan so hopefully she's just as good.
It doesn't matter which dps is the best, the most important thing is that we complete the stage with S rank, with the character we like
1:03 PURPLE? Please get tour eyes checked.
2:20 dumping my WHAT?
short answer: Soukaku
Glad i have ellen
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@zmm1337 a thing i wanted to add is you used 4p woodpecker on ellen and 2 p pen . which are very bland compared to her 4p ice and 2p woodpecker. like the numbers wouldve been out of the chart if u used proper 4-2 set like on s11.
Thats why she is 2 tiers above. even without lycaon she literally murders the shiyu defense, i say this because i have no lycaon and she makes a joke out of the other dpsers in the game rn.
Shark tail + maid = instant pull
Cant wait for more obol squad char
[ I know I need to wait a century ]
I’m not 100% sure if this is how it works. But I think at 5:35~ you overwrote the full vortex fly the flag buff. Which would lower the clear time no?
Ellen I feel like is more of a comfort pick ( I will say with there sig W engine I think she kinda gaps the other S Ranks cause its insane) like she is just way easier to flow thru then soldier 11. I love soldier but having to time her attacks is inherently slowing her down and I wish she had a way to tell how many stacks she his of fire suprresion left like ellen does.
do you make a no gacha account or an other challange account?
"Much like HSR, teams tend to gravitate more towards characters of the same element."
That's a complete lie lol. What? The strongest teams aren't mono element at all, not even mono path. Consider all the strongest teams. FF Superbreak team (Fire/Fire/Ice/Imaginary). DoT team (Lightning/Wind/Ice/Sustain). Acheron (Lightning/Ice/Quantum/Sustain). FUA team (Imaginary/Imaginary/Fire/Physical). Seele Team 4 (Quantum/Quantum/Wind/Sustain). Not a single one of those teams are mono element. Mono element teams exist, but they're niche at best and troll in most cases.
It's a minor thing, but it pisses me off how much content creators get to just straight up lie, put trash out, and get away with it. I don't understand why the comparison even has to be made when HSR and ZZZ are completely different genres. If you really needed to put some random ass comparison into the script, why not compare it to Aether Gazer or PGR or any of the other dozens of gacha games that actually use mono element teams?
Hard to build when everyone is so fun to play. I wasted so much materials on just wanting to build everyone
Individually, clearly not. She just has a great team.
well it's prydwen~
been following them since nikke/cs was the only game they reviewed I forgot.
I'd just say the tierlist is more like a meta tier list. at first launched, its common to see they put top meta team with limited chara at the top.
and the standard units just at safe tier until they found out that a lot of ppl using those characters a lot or until those units got their limited missing pcs.
especially if they only have one contributor, its often subjective tbh.
if you've been playing hoyogames, you should already know that content like abyss/moc always promoting its current limited banners.
its common to see meta shifted for dps anyway.
so pls don't look that tier tier list as a holy bible. team synergy at the right stage > tierlist
Play a character that u like / suit your playstyle as a pivot then find their synergy comp then you will be happy to not be a temp meta slave.
Did you mean Counterside?
ellen need lycaon? nah ima go with my own team!! ellen, corin, and nekomata!!
Zmm, could u make a progression order video. How to prioritize character upgrade prio, at what lvl to cap before making team 2. And is it safe to lvl up a b rank w-weapon while i get access to a rank ones?
Tldr: Priorities are stun > attack = anomaly > support, Ben should be upgraded based on what teams you use, stop when team 1 is in the level 40-50 range, and b-rank wengines can be good but it's better to get the craftable ones
Stun characters get an INSANE boost from getting leveled up, since they get access to higher levels to their daze multipliers and as the daze multipliers increase so do their effectiveness, anomaly and attack characters are in the same priority bracket cause they're both damage dealers, it just depends on what stats you'd rather focus on, but until more anomaly characters get released attackers are gonna get the edge over anomaly for now, and supports are effective at lv 1, so it's mostly that you want to upgrade their important skills (the ones that give their buffs) than just having them leveled up, and again, Ben shoukd be upgraded based on whether you have Grace Koleda or Soldier XI, with Koleda being preferred as they have direct synergy
The level of your teams shouldn't be too far below the recommended level of the stage you're using but you can mostly get away with having your characters being level 40, 45, 50 and everything in-between
Now, for the b-rank wengines, they're useful if you don't have many a-rank ones, but in that case you should seriously prioritize the craftables as they could help you out tons, I don't know every wengine effect off the top of my head so you will want to read the descriptions to figure out what works best
The pronunciation of Lycaon and Nekomata hurt me lmao
Is that a final fantasy 13 remix goated soundtrack
Wow...is that the Final Fantasy 13 soundtrack I'm hearing?
uhh technically its only 1 tier above other characters 🤓☝️
As a player with skill issue, I see no difference 💀
Is it like PGR where you need a team for every element or do you only need 2 main teams for every content?
nekomata team without Piper lol. Piper, Lucy, Nekomata or a Stunner, Piper and Nekomata team is so good. i like Lucy because of the quick assist on Nekomata
I think thats just dependent on what characters you get i have ellen but my soukaku is at M0 and i dont have lyacon so she does way less than she could compared to my nekomata team
why puffer electro instead of the cold set on ellen?
i'll take the extra 14 seconds to not be a furry
Piper Mains ?
I wonder will Jane Dough be good with Nekomata
If you are trying to balance this test out, why would you have an elemental 4 piece on S11 but not on Ellen... Huge difference it's a literal multiplier.
why are you not using 4pc polar, its so strong on ellen...
As a nekomata main, im very excited for jane doe and seth (both are physical units, anomaly and defense respectively, (a koleada/ben type thih with them as well it seems), these two should prove very useful for nekomata.
Dam game is balanced af atm
Can we get a no pull zzz account I see the 105
nice video now please with grace than we have them all
Ill enjoy her until she gets powercrept in two patches
the ellen team is just a furry comp, a shark , a wolf and a demon
Actual furries would call that a 1/3rd furry comp.
Only one of those things are a furry you dunce.
Nekomata w
Still, youbstop to wait for the enemy to do something.... doesnt sound for comparison
while Lucy does 500k damage with her ult ☠️
Where is the No pull hehe waiting ..😅
Ngl Zmm I just started an No Pull Acc Spoiler u only get 6 Character
Common soldier 11 W
2nd best dps is Grace right now.
my only 2 5 stars are 2 nekomatas so meowzer gameplay will win
N.B. It's Prid-wen. Not Pride-win... good effort with the testing.
I'm still not using the nier automata reference (soldier 11) (jk jk she's part of my dmc like damage team)
stared the game f2p july 5, got soldier and lychaon, but no koleda or elllen 😭
Brother, Nekomatas best team is:
Neko + Piper + Lucy.
Try that, dont need a stunner, try it out. Her score will be faster.
6:46 I see what you did there, well played sir.
i think nekomata lucy and piper would do better results, also with that team you can have the bonus of 2 calydon + 2 physical, so basically this is her premiun team im my opnion
Superior or not she’s the only reason I’m playing this game so idc.
do solo runs
Hopefully i dont lose my 50/50 for ellen 😭😭😭
I lost my 50/50 and still managed to get her. 1.0 has enough currency to get her even if you fail.
@@nitogameat what interknot level? I failed 50/50 and I’m still 57 pulls away from guaranteed Ellen. Interknot level 29 and I don’t see myself getting anymore pulls.
@@nitogame at max pity? i lost 50/50 to lycaon and it seems impossible to get new summons after interknot 30. dailies barely give enough and im only 10 pulls in after losing 50/50. i dont see myself getting an extra 80 summons in the next couple days
At soft pity both times so 70-ish. Only thing I bought was the pass but it's been only like 9 days so it didn't help much. More stuff to do unlocks later on. You get flooded with commissions and challenges and there was quite a lot from Shiyu Defense. Just keep playing.
Waiting for miyabi to powercreep the shark girl.
can you please do a no skill series or am I asking for way too much?
Isn't this a PvE game? Why do we even care about tier lists when the game is that easy? Just pick what you enjoy
Well that currency from endgame modes is certainly helpful, and they are NOT easy. Besides, it’s just fun
Conclusion. An Ether character is going to be the next banner character. I am going for her. I also have maxed Soukaku. I am also getting hard pity ellen. So I might as well wait for the next banner and skip ellen. Besides, I have no energy or resources for a new character right now. I am building soukaku, rina, nicole, anby, soldier 11, and corin.
Ellen joe is my mom
Lol it's hard to take this seriously with the amount of physical attack S11 had from the video + the wrong combo, legit smh. Ofcourse Ellen would look better, cuz she's very button mashing-friendly, while dps like S11 is the opposite and requires you not having skill-issue, which is pretty clear from the video
Clarify or you look like an idiot. What "wrong combo", lmao? He missed like 3 enhanced BA. Very funny you mention Ellen because the woman has an actual combo, unlike S11, whose entire difficulty comes from maintaining that BA chain, which you can half circumvent from her skills and chains anyways. AND this is a calculation taken from best performance, not a random run. You can't even clarify a single constructive thing, except throwing around your vague buzzwords.
Prydwen teamcomp is shit 😂
should I save for zhu yuan or get ellen? I farmed 20k polychromes but I cant decide 😭
Get 1.1 characters they are both op supports
I still need to figure out Ellen, I guess I'm just playing her wrong or something. I have had much better luck with Soldier 11, and personally would rate her higher than Ellen, but it could be having Soldier 11 for longer and being more familiar with her attack patterns, perhaps.
Ellen really wants her ice charges and using her final combo which has an insane 1.1k dmg multiplier at the end.
Her ex special 1 leads to the final basic hit too as does her special 2nd. She also desires soukaku due to ice dmg% + flat attack.
Well technically as not everyone have koleda or lycaon this its a little unfair for both tbh... I have lycaon so i pulled Ellen, but dont have neither soldier 11 neither koleda so i cant compare, but what i know is that Anton have a way to maintain his burst mode infinitely with his E1 and that make it an amazing dps unit
At least you got some S agents.
I literally only have the S agent at 50 pulls and nothing more xd
If you play the game enough rn you should have enough to pity the banner so it's nothing abnormal
@@nicbellnicastro3119 take it easy, i pulled ellen just because i needed something to deal dmg XD
Just pull the standart banner, at some point it will give you more S ranks, and as i said if you have anton E1 go and check sweetily channel, she have a guide on how to make anton an amazing DPS that can be in certain situations as good as a S rank
funny i pulled soldier 11 c1 at my first 40 pulls she is not that good as the rest so i said she sucks sadly + i have a feeling she will get powercreaped soon she is like diluc in genshin probably she will end up like him now but i hope not at least so soon