World's Smallest 5 Axis Milling Machine - Pocket NC V2
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I'm an absolute amateur in CNC machining and yet I'm very proud that I managed to cut my first part in aluminium. It was really after I saw a tutorial on Pocket's NC youtube channel goo.gl/H6xjQC which helped me tremendously.
This video is not simultaneous 5-axis machining but 3+2 axis, because A and B axis where locked at any given time. This is due to using fusion 360 which if I'm not mistaken can support 5 axis machining at the moment, only some features are available for the moment. My ultimate goal is to make a tiny supercharger and put it in the wankel.
Any help on how can I use 5 axis cam in fusion 360 will be appreciated.
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I was trained a long time ago as a CNC milling machine technician. And I got really shiny eyes when watching this video! This machine is by far the best I've ever seen! And it is even relatively affordable! I mean, I can't pay it right now, but if I spend a year or two money for it ... This thing is affordable even for ambitious hobbyists. All others cost at least three times more. An absolute dream machine! Greetings from Germany!
How much? It doesn't say on their website
Wow a lot of people complaining about the $5k price tag. I think this is very reasonable considering what you can do with it for the portability and function. Look at the price of a used full size 5 axis milling machine and associated set up costs (mounting hardware/space, transport to and into place, service, etc) and you might reconsider. This machine can make quality finished products in any room of your house!
Dude, I could fit it in the chest on my bike and still have space for my NeoTools inside!
Hermle takes 5k only for the Mechanic to come to you
Damn true...
lol reasonable ??? u get fusion lic that is free for under 100k $ income ... u get 10''x2'' work space ,,and rigidness is for soft materials only ... so LOL this is super overpriced junk
What is a reasonable price for you?
Just as a quick reminder, a machine that has the rigidness for hard materials like Circonium, Steel and Titan with a bigger workspace (100sqcm) will set you back around 75k to 125k, depending on the service you want, the milling tools you pick and the material you choose. You can trust me with the prices, I work for a company that makes these machines. Those are so expensive, you literally have to ask for the price since they dont display it on their website.
Lemme know if you want more details.
But seriously, this is a ridicoulous good price for a 5 Axis machine
ok.... I'm ready to be mindblown from what's coming next from this channel now that you have this tool
Gian Carlo Martinelli
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This pocket NC largely expends the capability of this channel. Great
I can't think of a channel I would be happier to see this pop up on. I'm so excited to see what you do with this.
I love how this guy skips all the beginner projects and just jumps to all the cool stuff. I can't wait to see what he does next.
Nice acquisition for the workshop Johnny It may be small but I think the main thing is the Precision of the unit you could buy an El Cheapo from China but it is made of Plastic gears etc with lots of backlash.I would suggest that you do a couple of things
1 Build a Container of some sort to hold the working unit and to stop Shrapnel traveling around your workshop
2 Vacuum the shrapnel away from the machine as it cuts It looks like it could easily get into parts of the machine that could do damage
3 maybe Cover the machine as well while it works to keep the shrapnel away from the machine
Apart from that I cant wait to see what marvelous projects your Genius mind comes up with this machine All the best mate WELL DONE
Tony From Western Australia
Also, figure out a way to spray coolant.
they make an enclosure for it that is very nice. i use it and it does a good job of containing the chips etc. mist coolant also seems to work very well, even though it's really not recommended :/
Perth stand up
I want one!
*checks price*
I still want one but cant afford one!
I feel you on that. Been eyeballing the Pocket NC since I first seen one a couple of years ago.
i'm in that same boat with ya dude
5K,, whew
Yeah and longer you save higher price goes.
Same 😂
"How expensive can this be? I build teeth milling CNC machines, they cost 25k, this is amateur stuff, cant be too expensive"
*checks price*
*proceeds to spit out drink, take another sip and spit that out too*
"4.900,00$? What th-"
*passes out*
I haven't seen too much done on these machines since they came out, so I look forward to seeing what you will create with it *:)*
I can't believe the quality of your piece. It's absolutely incredible! This machine is incredible, and you show it off very well. Thank you for this demonstration. Keep up the good work.
Just Ordered 2 for my Shops with Extra tooling and accessories. Thanks for The video bro. Cant wait til they get Shipped.
Thats the neatest thing I've seen for ages, perfect for the sort of stuff I do, thank you for sharing.
Yes! A Pocket NC! Looking forward to seeing more. Not many videos out for the Pocket NC.
It's improving. I've heard v1 is horrible
Horrible to utter crap, Is that an improvement? LOL.
It's cool, but not a $5K machine for sure... When I watched them set one of the rails or align to the rotary with a machinist's square, I was very disappointed (Pocket NC has a video two on this on their website or TH-cam channel). I work for a machine tool mfg, and we set the rails using high accuracy capacitance units and check with laser interferometers, not hand tools!
i'm a CAM engineer and I think you are doing pretty good for someone saying he is an amateur. just a little tip, it says you are going to fast/deep. I don't think so, the issue is just that you go from side cutting to slotting. especially with such a small machine, you should try to avoid slotting. it's simply not very rigid compared to bigger machines.
Pretty amazing. I tried building something like this a few years ago and it was way harder than my 3D printer experience suggested :)
Yeass finally i see a proper video of the pocket Nc. I have been waiting Forever!!
"I'm new to milling" *makes gorgeous part with amazing cam*
Incredible, I woke up this morning wondering, "What's the world's smallest 5-axis milling machine?"
YAY!! Now I know! It's right in my recommendations!
Never did I expect the answer so soon. Thank you!
Do you know what I absolutely love about you? You have really many subscribers but you still read every single comment. Greetings from Germany!
Awesome little machine
I know it's the ultimate temptation, but please people, don't use threaded things in a shear stress situation, you are applying the stress to the root of the thread. McMaster Carr sells a wide variety of things that are partially threaded and partially smooth for this kind of use. Shoulder bolts, Partially Threaded Studs, threaded pins, Screw Pins, Extended-Tip Set Screws; all of these combine a head, a smooth part and a threaded part, in various order and arrangement of diameters.
I think you've just unleashed the beast! Can't wait to see what you do once having mastered this thing!
flawless work. now, when will the custom made pull start & cnc(5 axis milling) made cooling fan for the wankel OS Graupner Wankel NSU Model Glow RC Rotary Engine .30 be available for purchase. please let me know i am interested.
Where I went to highschool we had a cnc lathe and Miller plus a laser printer. But we also had a metal Forge. And welders and I didn't even go to a tech school. And also had a lathe and Miller that had to be operated manually it was a blast.
That was fascinating... How long did the milling operation take? Not including sawing the turbine free from the stock and the bit of lathe work at the end?
I ran one of these about 2 years ago. This CNC is functional but should only be used for novelty. It's a little confusing and difficult to get going, not super rigid (yes even for its size), and frankly, not as accurate as most parts which warrant 5 axis machining. I mean if you have an extra 5 grand burning a hole in your pocket and wanna use this as a conversation piece, go ahead. But frankly, it's just not very practical or useful for actual part making. I'm sure plenty of people will bandwagon it and pretend it's way more useful than it actually is, just like they do with Tormach.
100% the rigidity displayed here is the biggest problem - shortening the spindle alone would help a great deal.
That's a bit of a cynical outlook. Considering that 5 axis machines for real machinists will require you to have some history in machining, this is a pretty nice package. Yeah it's not the best thing out there, but for 5 grand you are getting a whole lot. Obviously it's not supposed to compete with a 100,000 dollar machine.
It's overpriced for what it is... The components look to be of good quality, but watching the video on how they assemble one, gave me a good chuckle (for reference, I work in the machine tool manufacturing industry). It's not meant to compete with large machines for sure, but you can buy bigger, more rigid 3-axis machines for about half the price. Throw in $1K or so for a fourth axis and you have a better, and more capable machine that'll to most of the work that this machine will, only more accurately, in harder materials. This is a novelty for those that have more money than most of us, than want it for the creativity aspect, than for actually making more than one of something useful.It's probably great as a learning tool though...
@@WHJeffB it is useful for wax patterns
That little machine is awesome! Your machining skills are fantastic. I can't wait to see some of the other stuff you turn out on that 5 axis.
Ура! Негода форева! Забиваем эфир братва! (Пользуясь случаем хочу передать привет Игорю)
I am so jealous right now. That toy looks like so much fun.
* watches video *
* buys an 5 axis mill *
Fgtldyjxg Zyjxriceicr *eventually files for bankruptcy *
and then u figure thta u buy overpriced 10''x2'' junk for wood ,soft alu
@@MrCcfly man shut the fuck up you can clearly see it works great and makes the stuff he needs
...always clean from top to bottom 👌🏻 😎
"Too deep too fast"
Thats what she said
XD
I could imagine Voldemort saying that.. lol
That's funny!! 😂
it can be never to deep... she said
Not ... "she said". More like "he said" because he's really clueless and he's not the one in pain pass a certain point.
Very impressive. You're a man with lots of toys.
As usual, another awesome video! Mr Johnny q90 you are very resourceful, I see what equipment you have and wow, you really make the most of what you have to work with. Now this 5 axis is quite a step up in your world of machining.
That is so cool I never had a 5-axis machine in my machine shop. Of course they never had them back then it was pretty much just all hand-cranked stuff. It was nice to see it but I have other Hobbies now and those days are over. Thanks for sharing.
you need to make your own turbocharger for a nitro engine
and just try to scale a real one down
Turbo nitro rotary
😁
with this junk ?? lol only if he make in wood or t5/6 alu only like that ....
your wish came true
@@MrCcfly Have you seen the specs on it. your just a shit talker pocket nc v2 has a 0.00024in resolution and Backlash : 0.0005. It can definitely do it
so satisfying to see the 3d printed part next to the milled part
Ohhh my God I love this what is the name and model number, where to buy, and how much is it?
i beleve is like 5000 dollar and the name is in the machine, pocket cnc v2 i think
Thanks
Oh shit! This is going to be a game changer for this channel! Can't wait
Её, у Игоря Негоды появился такой станок, ждём новых открытий)
Awesome little machine.
Propably, the most expensive part is the harmonic drive.
I love harmonic drives :) :)
Кликнул после видео от Игоря Негоды. В рекомендациях появилось
тут чувак не заморачивается с балансом
@@Ezzezzzez здесь станочек попроще, шпиндель с гайкой обычной и навыков поболе чем у Игоря ))
8500$ для дюрали. Зачем? Нужен по стали.
@@kotnapromke производитель разработал и позиционирует этот станок как стоматологический, для изготовления моделей выравнивателей-невидимок, пока не более. Софт также заточен только под это.
Аналогично
So. I have to raise the question if that fan is going to be balanced or if you have plans to get a machine that can balance stuff like that. CNC is only as precise as the code going into it and in larger scales or high RPMs it would be possible that a lot of damage could be done.
Love how compact that CNC machine is, definitely going to be useful for you.
Wonderful tool but very expensive
I will make one
if you can make one then the time you spend creating one is worth more than the cost of buying one. also. the parts for making one will require one like this or one that is more expensive. this isn't exactly a catch 22 but it is a similar concept that integrates the cost of opportunity and recursive requirements.
This is AWESOME! Crazy cheap 5axis cnc POCKET for aluminum. My new dream. Really DOPE
Эх чувак не знаешь ты нашего Игоря он такое делает без станка пятиосника. Нечего скоро он свой наладит и ракету соберёт.))
im so jealous of all the cool machines and gadgets you have. a real tinkerers dream!
+Alucard Pawpad nice
Am I the only one wondering why he made the fins backwards?
Depends on which way the motor turns.
Can't wait to see what you come up with now that you have this tool!!!!
Тот момент когда Игорь Негода повышает просмотры просто осваивая новые станочки.
Very nice little machine. Tool probe is extra plus. 5-axis is a REAL freedom. Damn how much I want 5th axis to my Proxxon FF500 CNC!
All these armchair (non qualified) "experts" complaining of the 5K price tag...lol....Love to see how well they would do designing and making such a machine....Liked the tooltip sensor, very nice.
Looking forward to some exotic part production now. You might want to slow it down some if you start machining Inconel Turbine discs......:)
sensor is 50$ work on any china cnc router ... . 5 axis u say this is like 2x riggid then this junk ,and still is junk ,,
chna cnc 5 axis router ,,look for it ...2k $ and u get 2x more vs this super overpriced junk
Well you can get an old used cnc machine for 2k bucks.
This machine is to weak for the price.
I too enjoy talking out my ass
he dont have clue ,or just want to convince that he flush 5k in right way... i play with one for 2 weeks ,and only thing i could do is soooft crap ,,thay show inpaler ..lol you can twist that fins with 2 fingers how "great" they are ,for 5k u can get real 4 axis harmonic mill plus dro and tool changer and a ton of tools
Awesome! I just picked up a V2 last week as well, it's been great so far. I've mostly cut 6061 aluminum using the collet system and have found that 0.015-0.025 @ 15in/min and 0.075 optimal load seems to work good depending on the type of cut. it's much, much faster through aluminum than my Nomad 883.
I love the solution for workholding... you just threaded a hole in the back of the 3" round bar?
As far as 5-axis CAM in fusion, I've only used the swarf cut so far and it works as expected. You can also add 5 axis moves (tool angle/orientation) to 2D adaptive paths iirc... maybe 3d adaptive. one of them :).
0.015-0.025 Inches??? i am struggling with the right settings for mine, the tool has just too much jerk, which ruins the surface and the end mill. Could you pleas give me more informations wht you use(d), like cutting depth,cutting speed and load... at which diameter? i am going to make a sample, but with milimeters, doesnt matter anyways...: 0.2mm x 100mm/min / 0.1mm @ 2mm diameter..
Thank you very much for your help.
Greetings from switzerland.
Power it with a nitro engine!! :O
that would be a very bad decision.
Lol
you'll get better surface finishes with a a MUCH lower RPM. For that tool (what looks like a 2FL, 3/16 dia) go with like 1000 rpm and chipload of about .002/tooth (.004/rev) and increase your step down to 2xdia of the tool (3/8 in depth cuts with a 3/16 tool.)
Then to really spice it up, do what I said above, but leave .002 on the walls and do a finish pass at final depth no depth cut at 1/2 RPM and 1/2 feed.
it probably doesnt have enough torque at that low rpm, it may not even spin that slow.
Oooh yeah that chatter just really makes my hair stand on end
Rather buy a used fadal or vmc for 5k.
All the parts in this video can be made on a 4th axis lol.
The cooling impeller looks amazing! Good luck on the supercharger 🙂
I thought about buying one but the price is outrageous for what it can actually do .
Me thinks this machine should be way better for this price, to small and weak. Maybe jewelry machining, but unfortunately most of times 5 axis is waste of money. Hope next video comes with better surface quality, compared to small object size finishing pass was aborted or machine is even more flimsy than expected. Maybe it is for wax patterns only :o
@@JamesIII definately a wax pattern machine for the jewelry shop
You can make so cool things on 5axis. Looks rather good! I am workig as cnc machinist, only tip i have is that use more rpms if you have capability for that and 0.1 stairs for finishing.
Сейчас наши спецы набегут))
Стартуем! )
Каво и шо?
@@jekariaz6061 Приветствую всех любителей турбореактивной тяги)))
и будут стартовать под чашечку кофэ? ))
I feel like you have big plans for that little engine, can't wait to see what comes next.
Кто от Игоря Негоды?
это не микрореактивная турбина, не канон
похоже все в первую очередь про негоду подумали когда это видео включили)))
Зачем станок за 5к зелени если Игорь напильником круче сделает)
И тут вы.. )
Именно так. Думаю если в эту игрушку тут нержавейку из которой Игорь турбинки сделал загрузить, то запоёт она очень грустно.
Great work man. As a aerospace machinist, I must say you slayed it!
Hey men i need to learn somethings from you. Can you give me your contact info.
Wait so does the table not have a rotational axis? The center bore should have been way easier to make
Alucard Pawpad I was genuinely asking not criticizing. The fact that he was able to program a circular cut in cartesian coordinates led me to believe that the machines perhaps didn't have a rotating table, rather than him not knowing how to use it. By saying he's an amateur I assume he was referring to ordering of operations and CNC best practices, not that he didn't know how to program a rotational axis. Do you see now?
For the manufacturing world is just a name to describe the positioning axis moved by the servo motors and controlled by the CNC computer, in this case is 5 controlled positioning variables, X,Y,Z, plus the spindle rotation "S" and the rotation where the part is mounted called "C" , it is just a name, to simplify the description name.
For just $2000 more you can buy a tormach 770m with 12" x 7.5" workspace
and loose two axes. what a deal.
Wow we are happy for you, I bet you are going to be really good at machining in any axis, just have fun running the machine, it is really neat to watch. The blades look really nice.
нашествие НЕГОДЯЕВ!
Негодников!
Invasion of the WHAT?
Negodnikov
It's amazing what these machines can do today!
Лол кек чебурек. Наткнулся на это видео после просмотра видео Игоря Негоды про 5 осевой ЧПУ станок.
Loshok
хах, та же фигня)) чую у Негоды скоро попрёт крышесносный контент
@Marcus Tullius по факту мы совсем у штатов... Посмотрите сколько они делают станков, десятки тысяч в год, 3-4-5 осевые и сколько они стоят. И посмотрите что делаем мы - то что делаем по факту европейское максимум.
Негоде намекнуть нужно, что так можно было)))
Congratulations! Best DIY dedktop cnc out there!
"too deep too fast" you sound like my wife
Wow ! A dream for me.
Your first machining is very impressive. Did you get the G-code directly from a 3D file or from a dxf file and you repeat the same code each angle step needed for the propeller ?
Highly interested. Show us your progress.
Only seven months to Xmass.
Its cool but not $5,000 cool. You gotta make a ton of stuff for it to eventually pay for itself. Other than that I'd rather just hire a machinist. It might be pricey, but if you only need a few things than it's worth it. Plus they'll do it a lot faster, so labor shouldn't be all to bad. My dad is a retired machinist that used to make parts for NASA and the military. To bad we don't have one of these things.
And it doesn't even come with the collets or the necessary adapter.
This isn't about it paying for itself (though it certainly could). This is a full 5 axis CNC horizontal milling machine for a price that's within the budget of hobbiests. Go price some full sized used ones and tell me this is too expensive. It even has a tool standoff sensor which is often a fairly expensive addon. Seriously, I'd rather have this than a GlowForge or 3d printer any day of the week. This also doesn't take a huge shop space to run. It would be cool if they made a matching CNC lathe as well of similar size.
Well a single run 5 axis part will set you back 100-200 bucks a pop so if you’re in this hobby, that would add up quickly. Also having complete control over manufacturing allows more freedom to experiment, and quick return times.
Good luck finding a machinist, let alone the machinist having time for your experiments
If you know how to find them its easy. I've hired a machinist a couple of times to make me special tools for certain projects. Didn't really cost that much. I just had to wait about a week so they could do it during their lunch break or after work.
Waaaay better than any 3d printer forsure
здарова Негода, вдруг смотришь)
Он наверняка кучу видео заранее пересмотрел, чтобы свой станок запустить и видео красивое снять.
That's such a sweet little machine!
5000$....OK, I buy a used cnc in a bigger format... :D
For what it does, 5000 is a fair price. I expected it to be above 6500 to be honest. It's a niche product that has 5 axis in a comprehensive format. Looks stout, parts seem to be made ok. The test of time, of course is the final cut.
But definitely not 5 axis ..
I'd be willing to bet I can build a better one for quite a bit less than $5k.
I don't know what mill you have in mind, but "real mill" have usually low RPM like 2000 max.. and they have lead screw with backslash. And build precision 4th, 5th axis is quite expensive too ..
I would not convert a normal mill into a cnc i would buy a used 3axis and maybe a two axis head... But you can build such a small one easly under 5k. Definitly
can't wait to see what you will built with it!!
Make a copy of this milling machine. And send the original to the seller - did not like it.
Believe me - these machines reproduce by copying.
they Dont. You cannot machine the Base
hello, it's a nice machine to make small prototypes, the only problem is that you have to go slowly and without exaggerating, it does not have to be very robust, how long did it take the cnc to make that piece?
5 axis!!!? Who? Where? x, y, z, ? and ?
@@wsbdapptv4667 The fact is that there are no 5 axes. We come in the world of 3 and only 3 dimensions. The earth is three-dimensional, the solar system is three-dimensional and the universe is three-dimensional. There are by convention the X, Y and Z axes with the translation and rotation movements in each of them, that is, I can "walk" on the axes and I can rotate on the axes. If anyone ever proves the existence of a fourth or fifth axis, he will surely win the Nobel Prize in physics.
In the "world of photography" invented this wave of "5 axis" but it is just a liar marketing that unfortunately all fell into this tale.
@@tsukasakandaran8568 ... Yes there is. The length x height x width dimensions refer to the 3 universal dimensions and surely the only ones that apply to photography. I am an Engineer for over 30 years, in addition I teach physics ... I tell you, there are no 5 axes!
@@Photo90210 dimensions and axes of movements is different things, no?
@@eraserstp No
It can even be 6 axes: moving along x, y, z, and rotating along x, y, z
Read up on speeds and feeds (any book that's written after 2009 is ok when considering tooling you're using today) and for sure each time you get tooling try and get the data sheet, very helpful in setting S&F. That, is the bread and butter of any CNC operation, of course followed by setup, and knowing what tool to use to do an operation with.
I'm willing to bet that in a few weeks you'll run circles around this initial setup issue.
4:18 Hey! A self-cooling part!
What CAM software are you running? A proper 5 Axis Cam software will cost more than the machine itself.
Nice, I really want one of those. You could benefit from an improved impeller design though, If you can edit it to have less of an angle of the blades at the outer edge due to it spinning faster. This is usually very difficult but since you have that machine :D
The possibility is endless WOW ! Stocking stuffer for sure
DUDE! Never stop learning
I'm very happy for you. This video will more than pay for your new machine.
That is one neat 5 Axis Milling machine.... Thanks for sharing..
Minimal jet engine is a must project for you!! There would be people who most likely would buy one. Just a novelty jet engine that works.
that pushbutton on the side to cal the tool length offset is so smart and so cheap and easy.
I can't believe the early 2000s Haas milling center I learned on didn't have anything like that. Even if it's not accurate down to half a tenth or something, it should be the default behavior on any cnc mill, just as a sanity check so you don't break tools because of a typo or putting the tool in the wrong slot on the changer.
(The stupid community college course I took barely taught us anything because all the equipment was already trashed and the guy running the program didn't care. Anything that would avoid machine damage would directly impact the quality of instruction, ya knoww?)
exciting! do some research on adaptive cutting and how best to set up toolpaths for HSM (high speed machining). If you plan to work in aluminum, get yourself some Zirconium Nitride (ZrN) coated tungsted carbide endmills. Places like Lakeshore Carbide sell them, but so do many others. Use as short a tool as possible, and if possible take deep cuts with very shallow stepover. This is a small machine so it may be difficult, but always try and cut with an inch per tooth (IPT) of 0.001 or millimeter per tooth of .025. This will help prevent the cutter from not having enough material to make a cut. If the IPT is below 0.001 sometimes the cutter will merely burnish the material and generate lots of heat and vibration which will destroy your tool's cutting edge. The deeper cuts (i.e. more axial tool engagement) allow you to make more use of your machine's spindle power and longer tool life as cutting with the bottom 10% of the tool will render it useless very quickly. For more information you can check out the NYC CNC youtube channel or find a Sandvik Coromant technical manual (should be available on the internet). Good cuts + good tools will make you a happier person. Remember, shallow and slower isn't always better. Have fun with your new machine! I can't wait to see what you do with it.
Very nice! That thing is gonna open up so many possibilities for you, especially concerning precision and efficiency.
I'm appreciating smaller cnc /laser machines for their accuracy and lower cost.
The spindle are a stepper with encoder ?
Amazing mate. Can't wait for some great projects to come. What a skill. I wish I had paid attention in class👍👍
I didn't either. TH-cam and the internet in general give me the basic ideas and with my imagination I can take it to the next level.
This mean so much now... I cant wait to see now more epic videos... also new product Mocs and also new Stuff on this Channel... Any Idea what you build in the Future with this Awesome Mashine.... I can´t even wait...
Any chance you could give a Pocket NC update? Mods you’ve made or issues you’ve had? Excellent content, thank you.
Not bad for 3+2 machining! You'll get simultaneous 5 axis using the Ultimate edition of F360, but I'm still learning how to wrangle that.
That’s something special!
I look forward to seeing what creations you produce with it. 👍👍