I had my first gears lesson a couple of weeks ago. It was really helpful in getting precise data on sway for example that showed I sway too much on the way back and never recovered. Unfortunately I’ve been working on this so can’t do an exact comparison, but will do my best to compare the data on sportsbox. Obviously it’s not real 3d compared to gears, but having this available on your phone is crazy compared to what was available to a normal golfer even 10 years ago.
Mark, the past couple years I’ve really gone down the swing analysis rabbit hole. In addition to working with a swing coach, I built a hitting bay with slow motion cameras that I practice with daily. My swing has improved tremendously as result. That said, lately I’ve started to worry I’m playing “golf swing” instead of golf. All this tech makes it easier than ever to fall into a never ending cycle of swing tweaks. Curious what your thoughts are on how to avoid that and balance swing improvement with actual game improvement? Maybe a video topic!
@@electricalstuff259 I went from a 15 to a 9. But improvement has definitely plateaued. I often play with people who have funky swings or can’t hit the ball very far but play really good golf. NotAScratchGolfer is a great example of a player who just swings his swing.
We have comparison data against AMM, the gold standard in 3D mocap in golf (used by TPI and many other research institutes). Here's how to think about functional accuracy, equivalency, and consistency of different 3D systems and how that matters for coaching and training. th-cam.com/video/j8DihMspU1k/w-d-xo.html
Thanks Mark. Great video as always. Is there a video coming out of you and Rory playing Rush? I grew up right beside that course. I would love to see that.
I’m giving this a 3-4 month run during the off season to see what happens with the swing. I’ve spent $100+ on far less useful golf tech, that’s for sure.
We do offer swing direction vs. your stance (ankle-to-ankle line) in the app from down-the-line captures! It'll be different from Trackman's swing direction since they measure direction vs. the target line set in the device.
Looks very interesting! But darn what a deep rabbit hole one can dig into! And for the recreational golfer with limited real knowledge of swing mechanics it could do more harm than good!
@@MarkCrossfield With all new technology, people will have to learn how to use the data. Even 15 years after the advent of Trackman and now inexpensive personal monitors, many people don't have a clue how to act on the numbers,. They choose wrong drills to 'improve' their numbers. This will harm their swing. New tools needs to be used together with knowledge, and the average recreational golfer does not posses that knowledge. We still hear 'keep your head down'! The knowledge comes best from your PGA Pro.
the free choice is alright. telling me what i already know, which is nice. club on the inside on the take away. it says if i fix this it will be perfect, seem to pass everything else
Ive tried this and got the free lesson. Its incredible. Gives you something measured to practise.
Just downloaded this. Imported a swing and love it. Only had 1 bad fault. Loss of spine angle at the top, which I've been trying to work on.
Wow… It’s crazy how good the tech is now… Simply amazing. Thanks for the review Mark!
I had my first gears lesson a couple of weeks ago. It was really helpful in getting precise data on sway for example that showed I sway too much on the way back and never recovered. Unfortunately I’ve been working on this so can’t do an exact comparison, but will do my best to compare the data on sportsbox. Obviously it’s not real 3d compared to gears, but having this available on your phone is crazy compared to what was available to a normal golfer even 10 years ago.
Mark, the past couple years I’ve really gone down the swing analysis rabbit hole. In addition to working with a swing coach, I built a hitting bay with slow motion cameras that I practice with daily. My swing has improved tremendously as result.
That said, lately I’ve started to worry I’m playing “golf swing” instead of golf. All this tech makes it easier than ever to fall into a never ending cycle of swing tweaks. Curious what your thoughts are on how to avoid that and balance swing improvement with actual game improvement? Maybe a video topic!
Forget your swing, what has your handicap dropped to?
@@electricalstuff259 I went from a 15 to a 9. But improvement has definitely plateaued.
I often play with people who have funky swings or can’t hit the ball very far but play really good golf. NotAScratchGolfer is a great example of a player who just swings his swing.
Be interested to see you do a side by side comparison on the data capturing a swing on gears and this at the same time.
We have comparison data against AMM, the gold standard in 3D mocap in golf (used by TPI and many other research institutes). Here's how to think about functional accuracy, equivalency, and consistency of different 3D systems and how that matters for coaching and training. th-cam.com/video/j8DihMspU1k/w-d-xo.html
Thanks Mark. Great video as always. Is there a video coming out of you and Rory playing Rush? I grew up right beside that course. I would love to see that.
I’d like to see a few basic markers compared to gears just to see the accuracy side by side..
One is wary of anything Leadbetter uses but not with standing seems quite good
Hi what if you use one length irons? Would I need to only use 7i on the app????
Hi Mark, Can you use it with practice swings (without balls for winter home training) ? Thanks
You can. Be careful as practice swings often do not but the same stress on the body as a hit swing.
Purchased Mark and hopefully entered into the comp!
I’m giving this a 3-4 month run during the off season to see what happens with the swing. I’ve spent $100+ on far less useful golf tech, that’s for sure.
If every golf player isn’t using this, they’re nuts, or don’t want to improve
My coach uses this in combination with Coach now. Good stuff.
Great to hear!
Can you set this for a stack and tilt swing?
Will it give you club path? I am -9 from the inside and can only really practive whilst viewing the data, during lessons.
Will this give me a reading?
It will give you the reason for that resulting path. NOT the path for that you need a launch monitor.
We do offer swing direction vs. your stance (ankle-to-ankle line) in the app from down-the-line captures! It'll be different from Trackman's swing direction since they measure direction vs. the target line set in the device.
Looks very interesting! But darn what a deep rabbit hole one can dig into! And for the recreational golfer with limited real knowledge of swing mechanics it could do more harm than good!
Why would someone harm themselves, if this person has this idea then I would say its the personality of the person not the access to measured data.
@@MarkCrossfield because 99.9% of people will have no clue about how they are supposed to interpret and fix any of the data they are getting...
@@MarkCrossfield With all new technology, people will have to learn how to use the data. Even 15 years after the advent of Trackman and now inexpensive personal monitors, many people don't have a clue how to act on the numbers,. They choose wrong drills to 'improve' their numbers. This will harm their swing. New tools needs to be used together with knowledge, and the average recreational golfer does not posses that knowledge. We still hear 'keep your head down'! The knowledge comes best from your PGA Pro.
Can you use this with The Stack speed trainer?
Yes you can
Questions: 1. are the measurements accurate? 2. do they need to be?
Damn…answered the moment I hit send 😂
Haha 👍
Ray thee muppet prince returns!
When does it get to be too much data and not fix?
The problem mark is everyone has different swings,
Not sure you watched. I mention this in the video?
I've used this app with targets set by my coach - that way you can tailor the tech to your swing patterns.
Exactly! which is why we give you the data to learn what works best for you. We aren't an "AI coach" app
the free choice is alright. telling me what i already know, which is nice. club on the inside on the take away. it says if i fix this it will be perfect, seem to pass everything else