Whenever someone talks about Uchiha vs Hokage, a meme like this will always come to my mind "let Hashirama handle Madara, then leave Naruto to fight Sasuke and let Itachi take care of the remaining uchiha"
Tsunade is the most criminally underrated shinobi in the franchise lmao Just because Reanimated Madara messed her up and she couldnt fight Pain because she had just protected THE WHOLE VILLAGE from a deadly blast, doesnt mean she cant absolutely destroy Most Kage-level opponents quite convincingly. She's also the most broken Healer shinobi in history and revolutionized the whole healthcare system of Konoha and probably alot more villages who took them as an example. And she can punch you so hard your ancestors would feel it too.
Her only fight ability is BIG PUNCH!!!! She doesn’t lay a hand on anyone faster than her, any distance control, or any strategy higher than hers, and there’s plenty of each of those.
@@CrimsonZbossso is Sakura's, and yet in her mock fight with Kakashi he barely avoided her blows. Turns out, if you can leap forward fast enough a battle of speed becomes a matter of stamina. Plus, the sheer amount of area denial her slug summon provides makes cornering an opponent basically a sure thing.
He also sleeps on the fact that Tsunade is even better to have in a 7 v. 7. While she may not be as impressive in just pure fighting, she's top 3 support in the verse while the Uchiha don't have a comparable utility member
@@RudolfHillershashirama actually was one and only user of trees. So it's really plot, uchihas have too op abilities for shinobies and should have dominated given they are more cunning and cold-thinking people. Though their constant rivalry also quite dumb thing, they jsut basically genocide each other which only weakens both when they could just made some pact to not attack each other and just dominate all world.
@@yarikyaryi the senju all have huge chakra reserves and strong bodies plus slight regeneration. So while the uchiha had dojutsu and crazy skill, the senju were throwing around huge jutsu and overpowered stats. Basically sasuke vs naruto
@@yarikyaryitrue logic thinking, but this was more so a family war for vengeance between Senju and Uchiha. Just a constant cycle because, you can’t watch people kill your son, cousin, father, brother, and let them get away with it(madara up until hashirama can finally convince him to create the leaf)
People sometimes claim that Tsunade wouldn’t summon Katsuyu in a fight but when you go back she summons her to fight a minute after getting over her hemaphobia. Literally the 2nd jutsu she used after getting over it.
@@BeeruzChrysler Its stated that Katsuyu is tapped into her summoners chakra via the 100 healings seal. Genjutsus all affect the persons flow of chakra. Not to mention Tsunade has a second source that continuously pumps her which is a way to break genjutsus as well.
@@harmoen Kagami Uchiha is like the Candice Owens of the Uchiha. Like she's a black woman that think she's white he's an Uchiha who thinks he's a Senju lol.
I wonder: if both Deidara and Sasori had witnessed a full-blown replicating explosion tag jutsu from Tobirama would they both agree that it was beautiful art? It's a glorious explosion but one that could in theory last forever.
Hiruzen had every nature chakra as well as yin release yang release and yin yang release. He learned and mastered every jutsu that wasn't a dojutsu or a kekigenkai however he did know about them and their counters. He knew clan specific jutsu like the Inuzuka clans enhancements to smelling and hearing it's speculated that he may have known the Nara clans shadow jutsu
having yin and yang release absolutely does not confer Hiruzen with yin-yang release. yin release is using ones spiritual energy in conjunction with their imagination to create something that is physically non existent sort of like how a genjitsu works. yang release uses physical energy to give form to something that previously did not have any like medical ninjutsu but ying-yang release gives one the ability to use both of the previous ideas of creating something with spiritual without physical form and then giving it physical form using physical energy and an example of this is what is also known as the creation of all things technique meaning with enough chakra you could create anything within the confines of your imagination which is why hogoromo otsutsuki famously used this technique to transfer the chakra of the 10 tails into the 9 tailed beasts
I honestly don’t think hashirama ever thought he would need that 1000 arms thingy he just mastered it cause he thought it looked cool😂😂😂😂 then he ended up needing it
One thing I love about Tobirama's 3 jutsu is how they all work to try and counter different aspects of the sharingan. Flying raijin to counter the perception Shadow clones were useful since senju have stronger bodies, which I imagine allows them to handle splitting their Chakra easier. And if that's actually the case, throwing more slightly weaker bodies at them seems like a feasible strategy. And finally, edo tensei. This one, in my opinion, was to counter Izanagi. In the anime, we see an Uchiha bring back an entire platoon with one eye. Edo tensei feels like a logical counter, albeit more morbid than izanagi.
@@sharafali7340 nah in a round about sort of way, he did save the Uchiha name. If the Uchiha coup attempt ever got off the ground, every non uchiha would probably hate them and they'd ruin their own name. My itachi killing them, he only destroyed his own name. The rest if the ninja world sees the uchiha as victims of his betrayal.
The truth is the uchiha can fold all clans and hokages together at the same time. We all know the plots that were created to weaken the uchihas but deep down there we all know they are the best. We all know what 2 uchihas did against the whole world. Why are y even comparing them against hokages. Madara strongest form can solo all these hokages put together. Did y see how quickly he folded minato during the war? Minato didn’t even notice where his arm went. Hashirama beating madara was a plot that most people don’t believe. We all see who were the strongest when they were revived. Regarding fugaku I’m 100% sure he beats the 3rd hokage. There’s a reason why the third hokage and danzou didn’t end sasuke, it was because of itachi. But guess what? Itachi cried and sweated when his father put him into his genjutsu. Not only that, on the day that the kyuubi attacked the village, the third hokage couldn’t fight it, but guess who would end that battle pretty fast? It was fugaku and they all knew but they ordered him to stay out of the fight. Are y saying that the third hokage can beat someone that takes on kyuubi that easy? Even minato died trying to stop the kyuubi. Fugaku is extremely underestimated. Even itachi didn’t want to fight him. Fugaku was the mafia boss of the uchihas. Another wrong take from his part is that minato can win against itachi. Let’s say before edo tensei: Minato has nothing to stop itachis vast range of genjutsu. Kishimito even said he’s weak against genjutsu. Itachi uses tsukuyomi and can defeat him in seconds. Now let’s say after edo tensei: are y really confident minato can beat itachi? Itachi defeated NAGATO, nagato folded Naruto and killer bi. Naruto was said to be stronger than minato in the war. Do y see where I’m going?
In a team fight having a support character like Tsunade is a HUGE help and a HUGE advantage. The Hokage's are also more prone to teamwork and combination techniques. With Hiruzen having all the techniques of the leaf that means 8 gates Hiruzen... Btw Tsunade's healing could put Hiruzen back into the fight
@@cdg715no they wouldn’t. If we take their personalities into account definitely not. Most of them aren’t team players itachi included. The all have the same thing. There’s no versatility. You have to deal with genjutsu, susanoo and and specific mangekyo. The hokage team is way more versatile and have hella healing. Plus hashirama and tobirama are a big counter alone to the uchiha.
Not even saying this as a meme, but Naruto solos that entire Uchiha team in base as Hokage. His shadow clones r as strong as Sasuke's full power and can compete with fused Momoshiki who Sasuke was struggling against when he had a miniscule power deficit compared to Naruto. One clone for the entire Uchiha team and the other Hokage r just sun bathing watching from a distance. Even if the others fight, Naruto is a full arsenal and more proficient in all of their abilities. He can seal better than Hashirama now and heal better than Tsunade plus he can boost all their strengths to his level with six Paths cloaks. Naruto IS the support 😂
I 100 percent would bet my life that hiruzen couldn’t open anything past the 2nd gate if he could do the 8 gates at all, they say he has all the techniques of the leaf but we find out that’s not true at all almost immediately
@@harmoen someone gets it!!. The intentions during his first summon was 'he isn't thinking consciously himself but is full ppwer' thhen Shippuden forced him to be overpowered and at wararc he was so op just not god tier like obito.madara etc. Just horrible scaling
@@konanabanana2200 It was a wierd case actually, Kishimoto actually pulled one of the greatest long-term build-ups and introduction of a character when he brought in Madara, that required him to find a good reason for Madara to fail when he was alive. Enter "scaled-up" Hashirama. Tbh, despite the over-reliance on "Hashirama cells", I still prefer how things turned out rather than what had originally been planned.
Had to quickly debunk something, Kabuto is not the one who gave Madara Hasirama cells, in the Obito flashback scenes we can clearly see that it was Madara himself who used Hashirama cells to help keep himself alive.
True, but what Kabuto did for Madara was give him more of Hashirama cells, giving him the Hashirama face on his chest to further channel more of Hashirama's powers. Nearing the end of the 4th War, after Madara pinned down Hashirama with the Rinnegan rods, Sasuke hit Madara with the Amatarasu, exposing Madara's chest to Hashirama, showing him his face on his chest. When Hashirama questioned this, Madara stated that this was the idea of someone with a similar idea as his (Kabuto).
Madara needed new Hashirama cells, because he was revived in the form of Valley of the End Madara, aka the one Hashirama and everyone else thought was killed. Madara didn’t have Hashirama cells at that time, so Kabuto did have to give him some when he resurrected him.
So basically five Hokage victories, one draw, and one defeat that would take so long to settle that everyone else could dog pile Madeira and put him back and in the dirt.
I just watched a bunch of your videos for the first time, and I gotta say; the fact that you have 3 different theory videos all about Kakashi's potential heritage, and none of them really contradict either, is astounding
As far as fugaku’s abilities, i assume he was similar to itachi in that he typically defeated his enemies with terrifying genjutsu. The name “wicked eye” as opposed to other people with names like “yellow flash” for speed and “white fang” for ferocity and hair color, i assume fugaku’s name refers to his eyes abilities to show you wicked visions that break you mentally, rendering you incapable of fighting. I feel like this also suits his presence as well because we always see him with his arms crossed, standing firm, instead of with his arms by his side like most do to be able to quickly grab a kunai in the even to an ambush. He probably mainly fought with genjutsu which makes me wanna learn about him even more because it opens up an opportunity to see a lot of overlap between him and itachi giving more context to itachi’s moral and ethical beliefs such as his pacifism. It especially makes me think that when he took itachi to the battlefield at the age of 3, it was definitely to make him want to avoid war at all costs in order to build a proper hokage/clan leader who follows in his beliefs of peace
it would also make since as to why Itachi was so into Genjutsu before he awakened his Tsukuyomi. He was training to become a better version of his father.
People forget, Tsunade summon can place people inside. This could be a speed counter as it can block attacks and potentially stick to the opponent locking them (either arm, leg, whole body) in place allowing Tsunade to then land one and only blow. It's literally a tank shield for her to encounter those faster
@@vaggeIakos this is a team battle. backs are covered and countered. strategy is also a thing. Obito still has his opponent as well as Itachi. there's speed blitzer on the kages team that is just as fast to protect also the kages will more than likely have knowledge on amateratsu due to experience and will have seals, and we know the fire can be sealed away. itachi can't just spam it without fatigue
@@wadeo_0 The hokage's have no idea about itachi's amaterasu, they have never seen him use it, they only know about sasuke's. So basically itachi can 1 shot her from the beginning without anyone even realizing what happened other than sasuke and obito. Also the only person that can even defend her is minato, we know he is the second fastest among the hokage team (naruto is the fastest but he's going to be fighting sasuke) and he could barely react to kamui so it's pretty easy to say that not even tobirama who admittedly is slower than minato won't be able to save her. And considering minato is going to have to protect tsunade while at the same time worrying about not getting sucked into kamui himself, it's pretty easy to conclude that he won't be able to protect both himself and tsunade at the same time. Also if we use their best forms, obito is faster than minato anyway. The uchihas got so many hax that the hokages simply won't be able to keep up with them, especially considering sasuke can arguably defeat naruto by trapping him into another dimension then he 1 shots everybody else
The thing that really pisses me off is when people say the Uchiha clan would’ve beat the Leaf, when majority of your power comes from like 2 people back then and only one person we know had a ability for multiple people (Itachi ameturasu). Like they got killed by a teenager 😅…bruh
Like most things in Naruto. Hard nerf to advance the plot. Think about it, night of the massacre. shouldn't EVERY Uchiha awaken the mangekyo as their parents or kids die? Or use Izanagi?
Right, I say it all the time that the Uchiha would've lost, most of them probably didn't have a Sharingan. Plus Itachi took out 3 grown men on the police force as a 13 year old
I'd count the MS for Fugaku mainly because Kishimoto has had a tendency to incorporate anime only elements into the manga. Like Raiga with his special swords becoming canon or that whole Filler with Sora basically becoming a blueprint for Kishimoto to implement the final war with all of the undead ninja.
Idk about Ten Tails Madara tho bro. NCHammer made a mistake about the Limbo clones - Hashirama’s wood clones definitely wouldn’t have been able to fight them as they were on a different dimensional plane. Naruto’s shadow clones could tho and that was simply because he had Six Paths Sage Mode, which is completely different to regular Sage Mode(s)
Another great video. Unfortunate to see the Uchiha lose, but it's always great hearing you talk about Tsunade's battle prowess. By the way, the white polo you're wearing in this video is sweet. Could you share where you got it?
There's 2 Kotoamatsukamis. The one Danzo used is the weaker version that can be spammed and easily broken out of. The one that Itachis crow used on him is the unbreakable one that even if you know you're under it you still can't do anything about it.
no they are both Shishuis eyes using the same technique, its even said that the one Danzo used by Oi (or however you spell old mate with the stolen Eye) is Shisuis. there is also the argument that Danzos is actually stronger because its boosted by good old Hmans cells and that's why he can recover from it so quickly.
@@TurtlehaxNZ93 they are different eyes, every uchiha have different ability/variation of ability in both their ms, obito's kamui and kakashi's kamui is different for example. Danzo's kotoamatsukami can be casted more frequently (with hashirama cells it's once per day) but mifune break out of the genjutsu after ao told him about it, meanwhile the one that hit itachi can't be broken out of, itachi is still under control when he literally explain what the genjutsu did to him
this needs more recognition. idk why nick doesn't seem to believe this, but if he has some special, irrefutable reason, i wanna hear it, cos that ability was so powerful, Kishimoto had to be like "Shisui who?" during the war arc when everyone and their uncle were getting edo'd.
I think thats largely conjecture - One could argue that there aren't 2 Kamui's and that rather than there being 2 Kamui, each eye contributes a part of the effect and that the true power only comes from combining the eyes. "Kotoamatsukami is a genjutsu that can be used to infiltrate and change a persons mind, those under its effects are unaware and can not break themselves out of it." This doesn't imply that either the left or right eye creates an unbreakable jutsu, it implies that the person under its effects are unable to recognize that they are and there for cannot break it - the one exception to this could have been Itachi as he cast Kotoamatsukami on himself through the crow implant in Naruto knowing 1) What it did. 2) What the order of Kotoamatsukami was. There is no proof that Itachi couldn't have broken it, because he was unwilling to do so and return to being Kabuto's puppet. What we know - Genjutsu is the ability to use your Chakra to manipulate the Chakra in the Cerebral Nervous System of another target. Genjutsu can be released through external stimulus or disturbances/corrections in your chakra. Kabuto tried to use Genjutsu to break himself out of Genjutsu but failed due to complexity - not surprising because Itachi Uchiha is the most adept user of Genjutsu we see in the entire series.
id love to see a second part of this where we just have Sarada in there as well as an oddball we all know that she's probably gonna be a hokage but she would also be the first Uchiha hokage so in this fight she'd just float around helping whichever side she wanted
@@mkkp9861 No? She would be helping the Hokage because she knows 1 Uchiha and not even that much. She has 0 reason to fight for the Uchihas and all the reason to fight for the hokage.
Minor correction, Nick: Sasuke _also_ used the Preta Path to absorb some of the last of Naruto's Chakra during that fight in the Valley of the End. That's the _only_ reason he lasted as long as he did; he had actually _depleted his Chakra reserves_ and needed to steal Naruto's Chakra to keep fighting. Preta Path's abilities are _easily_ the most overpowered of the Six Paths powers, because Nature Chakra is _still_ Chakra, making it equally as absorbable; it helps that Sasuke is _fully compatible_ with Nature Chakra, though I don't think it'll help him win his fight with Naruto. I'm actually _offended_ that neither Obito _nor Sasuke himself_ made proper use of the Preta Path, because it would have _handily_ given them easy wins in fights that they were shown to _struggle_ through. And since you so politely invited us to do so, let's discuss Shisui versus Tsunade. Well, Shisui _does_ have a way to _definitively_ win, and it's actually pretty logical. He needs to use Body Flicker to close the distance with Tsunade and deliver a single, absolutely lethal strike against her while her Byakugou Seal isn't activated. Shisui almost _certainly_ has the speed component down pat... but what if Tsunade has Katsuyu summoned already and the Byakugou Seal active from the get-go? Well, _that'd_ be where Kotoamatsukami comes in. As it so happens, I don't think that _anyone_ can actually be immune to Kotoamatsukami unless they have a Rinnegan. We know that Yagura was a Perfect Jinchuuriki, and Obito's Genjutsu, noted to be _very_ similar to Kotoamatsukami, had him under control for _years_ in spite of the supposed immunity that Jinchuuriki have to Genjutsu in general. In a similar vein, Dual Mangekyo Sharingan wielders are basically immune to Genjutsu as well... except that Kotoamatsukami _absolutely_ worked on Edo Itachi, and _would_ have probably worked on Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan _Sasuke_ according to what Edo Itachi mentioned to Naruto. Since peak Shisui has both of his Mangekyo Sharingan in this versus scenario, he has _two_ opportunities to use Kotoamatsukami, and follow up with Body Flicker to exploit the opening. In an ideal world, Shisui would use Kotoamatsukami on Tsunade to compel her to Unsummon Katsuyu and deactivate the Strength of a Hundred Healings Jutsu, which _will_ leave her vulnerable to a fatal blow delivered via Body Flicker, before she can either snap herself out of the Genjutsu, or before someone _else_ does it for her. In all seriousness, this does require Shisui to _know_ the _absolute best way_ to use his skill-set... which is a _very_ big ask, considering how many Naruto characters _grievously misuse_ their powers. But it's there. Kotoamatsukami is _not_ meant for long-term shenaniganry like what Shisui originally planned on using it for; it is _actually_ meant to create a _single, inescapable moment of total vulnerability_ in an otherwise unbeatable foe for the wielder to _ruthlessly_ exploit in mortal combat.
NCHammer has strong hate for half of the Uchiha cause if he didn't hate Sasuke & Shisui this would have been a close fight. He didn't give Shisui his Chakra Mech because he doesn't like him, which would make him a real threat in direct combat and have him be a big help in this team match-up.
@@Dorian364ok Shisui prob could beat tsunade it’s just hard to prove because he hardly has any feats. But sasuke vs naruto at their peaks isn’t really a close fight. Like he said sasuke had all the chakra from the tail beast other than the half of kurama that was inside of naruto. He was dang near a 10 tail jinchuriki and still stalemated with naruto.
@@Dorian364 I don't think he _hates_ half of the Uchiha, per se. Except Sasuke, of course; he _absolutely_ hates Sasuke. I _do_ think he believes that about half of the Uchiha are poorly written... which is more-or-less true for just about _all_ of them, barring Itachi and _maybe_ Obito. Many of the Uchiha just don't get enough screen-time/page-time for us to really know where their limits lie, and others just seem to _magically_ acquire overpowered hax for no good reason other than to win them a fight that they have no business winning, like Sasuke and Madara. Unfortunately, Kishimoto didn't write his Sasuke and Madara battles particularly well, so he _egregiously_ overused Deus ex Machina to keep them relevant, which is poor form. As for Shisui? It really doesn't matter for this matchup whether he has Susanoo or not, though logic dictates that he _should_ have access to it in at least _some_ capacity. Tsunade can crack _Madara's_ Susanoo rib-cage with a punch, so unless Shisui's is of comparable toughness, all he'd be doing is wasting Chakra... and _maybe_ reducing the force of the blow enough that it doesn't take the clean-up crew a week to mop up what's _left_ of him. Not that he'd _know_ that for sure, but he'd likely have heard about at least _some_ of Tsunade's war exploits, which should be enough to make him _rightfully doubt_ the usefulness of Susanoo against her. No, his best hope is to try to one-shot Tsunade before the Strength of a Hundred Healings or Katsuyu come into play, or to use Kotoamatsukami to _make those problems go away_ for long enough that he can beat her. The potential is there, but it is _completely_ dependent upon whether he _knows_ that this is his one hope for victory.
@@natiboi7656 I never said he did, though it's possible that he _did_ do so in that instance... it's kinda ambiguous. Perhaps I worded it poorly, but what I _did_ say is that Sasuke _can_ absorb Nature Chakra because he is _definitely_ compatible with it, and it is _objectively_ absorbable via the Preta Path. The first hint, in hindsight, is that he didn't die when he had the Cursed Seal of Heaven put on him, which functions by drawing in Nature Chakra to enhance those marked by it, like a knock-off _almost_ Sage Mode. I speculate that Sasuke is _also_ more akin to his Otsutsuki ancestors than others in his Clan due to being Indra's Reincarnation, which would _definitely_ make him more compatible with Nature Chakra, considering the Otsutsuki function by _eating all of the Nature Chakra on a planet_ to evolve; in fact, the Preta Path seems like a _nerfed_ version of this ability.
I think you answered the question on which forms of Hashirama and Tobirama are stronger, since you mentioned that Hiruzen pulls out the parts of their souls in the edo tensei bodies, so they don't have their full souls or chakra. The chakra doesn't matter with edo tensei, but the souls does, since it is shown that without parts of your soul you are weaker (for example with orochimaru and kurama), so that could be why hashirama can't use 1,000 arm kanon. Loved the video btw.
Oh and as for the people who question why Madara could use Kamui but Obito couldn't, that's as simple as thinking about their fusion with the Ten Tails, Madara's was more complete and he used Kakashi's eye which makes a ranged version of Kamui, so either the more complete version isn't unstable anymore and is entirely subjugated, or the eye Kakashi had works differently than the one Obito has and Madara opened it at a distance and entered it that way, which seems more like both are correct but it could be either one.
@@MarioTheLiopleurodon He said if he were to use Kamui, it might disconnect the chakra of the Ten Tails from his body, or at least would make it "burst" out of his body, but I believe Madara's being more complete could have something to do with why he could use it instead, you could also just argue the close ranged version of Kamui can't do it since it moves his body part by part, but the ranged version Madara used creates a portal as big as the user wants it to be.
@@shikaotsu7194 True. Your theory on the more complete 10-Tails is also probably spot-on. The Jyuubi with half of Kurama was more stable than Kinkaku/Ginkaku Chakra.
Massive correction here: Shisui does have two separate abilities, just like every Uchiha. Sasuke’s left eye had Amaterasu and his right eye Kagutsuchi, Itachi had Amaterasu on the right eye and Tsukuyomi on the left eye… And these are Shisui’s abilities for each eye: Right Eye: Places opponent under a suggestive genjutsu, making them think their thoughts are their own. Nigh imperceptible because of this. Usable once a day with Hashirama cells. (Cooldown may vary with shisui himself.) Left Eye: Places opponent under a compulsive genjutsu. It is virtually unbreakable whether they notice it or not, the command will be carried out. Usable once a decade. (Due to age complications, Shisui himself may have a shorter cool down for this ability).
@@ddcarrthesniper1875 yeah but not really. Shisui had so much potential but he was only like 14 when he died, so he never got to be hokage level. Yeah, he had one of the best hax but just imagine him with EMS, susanoo, more experience, etc.
Naruto is filled with many inconsistencies but there is no proof that either is unbreakable only that both are referred to as kotoamatsukami and that kotoamatsumaki changes a persons perception in a manner where they don't know they are being manipulated - denoted as being false experiences, as the other is used on Itachi who has no desire to break the genjutsu as it doesn't really effect him. He cast a Genjutsu on himself that was designed to make his brother's goals align more with his own as Sasuke was going to destroy the Leaf which his brother fought so hard to protect, which by sheer coincidence freed him from the Manipulation of Kabuto, by releasing it he would have immediately became Kabuto's slave again, and after he defeats Kabuto, Edo Tensei is released. If I had to speculate as to why Kabuto can't command him through Kotoamatsukami, I would wager that the False Experiences prevent other effects that would manipulate a persons perception, such as Edo Tensei command, Infinite Tsukuyomi, or just regular Tsukuyomi, because they rewrite the targets perception, meaning that the target doesn't actually perceive the original effect. Sort of like looking at the sun through sunglasses. Was Itachi able to break a genjutsu that made Itachi act more like Itachi? Maybe, Maybe not, but we'll never know because he didnt have to and there for its speculative. It is also speculative because nothing about shisui's character makes a fucking lick of sense - it has a 10 year cooldown, but we know he used it before because he earned a reputation for having used said genjutsu before in battle and Ao could recognize it on sight. Shisui's Mangekyo Sharingan is a plot device, and the only thing the character ever did that had any relevancy was master Body Flicker in combat which is pretty cool.
Tobirama and Itachi solos the Uchihas, because... Tobirama gets a 500% buff when fighting an Uchiha, plus a 200% for seeing an Uchiha killing an Uchiha. That's just how it works. These are Facts
I literally thought, "wouldn't fugaku be MInato's foil tho?" And then Nick comes in with the deep mocking voice as a counterargument. BRO I CAN'T. I love when he does that it's hilarious. He did make a good point tho since I only thought about the fugaku vs minato theory fiction. BUt being with hiruzen makes sense as well.
I have a theory about why edo tensei isn't generaly as strong as there living counterparts. Because although they have infinitely regenerating chakra, I think that the pool of chakra is limited to the pool of the sacraficed shinobi. So for people that were known to have enormous chakra pools like hashirama or nagito, there edo tenseied versions would be limited to the cap of the sacrifice and be unable to use there best (most chakra intensive) attacks. This would also explain why shinobis that focused on chakra control like itachi and tobirama seem to be stronger, because they are better equipped to deal with the lower chakra pool. When orochimaru picked sacrifices we know he picked them based on a battle royal, making the strongest the sacrifices not nessisarily the ones with the highest chakra pool. That might be why his edo tensei's seemed to be weaker then kabutos. Just head cannon, but it makes sense to me :)
Doesn't tobirama say something like "only 2 clones dam"? Doesn't that imply that while he was alive he could summon more? Meaning he had less chakra in the war arc?
And meanwhile in the shadows Kabuto and Kakuzu are laughing it up and counting all their money. Form the ticket sales and bets that they made from the fight.
While it doesn't entirely change the outcome of the fight, I feel like the strongest version of hashirama was the one that had all nine-tailed beast in his possession before he gave them out to the other villages
Yeah but that’s only if he had a way to either genjustu then into fighting for him or to sap off their chakras cause they ain’t fighting for no reason especially for the person that just beat their asses
Although Hashirama wasn’t in his peak physical age, I feel like his edo had the slight boost in battle iq since madara lived to be like damn near 100 and had all that time to become more intelligent than either of them when they were in their peaks.still probably not enough to balance out being older, but definitely a big help against that big of a lifetime gap.
The truth is the uchiha can fold all clans and hokages together at the same time. We all know the plots that were created to weaken the uchihas but deep down there we all know they are the best. We all know what 2 uchihas did against the whole world. Why are y even comparing them against hokages. Madara strongest form can solo all these hokages put together. Did y see how quickly he folded minato during the war? Minato didn’t even notice where his arm went. Hashirama beating madara was a plot that most people don’t believe. We all see who were the strongest when they were revived. Regarding fugaku I’m 100% sure he beats the 3rd hokage. There’s a reason why the third hokage and danzou didn’t end sasuke, it was because of itachi. But guess what? Itachi cried and sweated when his father put him into his genjutsu. Not only that, on the day that the kyuubi attacked the village, the third hokage couldn’t fight it, but guess who would end that battle pretty fast? It was fugaku and they all knew but they ordered him to stay out of the fight. Are y saying that the third hokage can beat someone that takes on kyuubi that easy? Even minato died trying to stop the kyuubi. Fugaku is extremely underestimated. Even itachi didn’t want to fight him. Fugaku was the mafia boss of the uchihas. Another wrong take from his part is that minato can win against itachi. Let’s say before edo tensei: Minato has nothing to stop itachis vast range of genjutsu. Kishimito even said he’s weak against genjutsu. Itachi uses tsukuyomi and can defeat him in seconds. Now let’s say after edo tensei: are y really confident minato can beat itachi? Itachi defeated NAGATO, nagato folded Naruto and killer bi. Naruto was said to be stronger than minato in the war. Do y see where I’m going?
What Nick said was Six Paths Madara stomps vote hashirama, and the rest of the uchiha lose. But Izanagi is a thing they can do. Blinding an eye may be wrong in their eyes hehe but if given the choice they would probably do it rather then die to the hokage. So uchiha technically win but it wouldn’t be very interesting
@@harmoen in your dreams. You only know about Byron that’s why you’re saying stuffs like that. For every ability there’s a counter. And Byron counter is IZANAGI. if kakashi can 1 hit everyone then just imagine what obito can do to him with his own eyes
The truth is the uchiha can fold all clans and hokages together at the same time. We all know the plots that were created to weaken the uchihas but deep down there we all know they are the best. We all know what 2 uchihas did against the whole world. Why are y even comparing them against hokages. Madara strongest form can solo all these hokages put together. Did y see how quickly he folded minato during the war? Minato didn’t even notice where his arm went. Hashirama beating madara was a plot that most people don’t believe. We all see who were the strongest when they were revived. Regarding fugaku I’m 100% sure he beats the 3rd hokage. There’s a reason why the third hokage and danzou didn’t end sasuke, it was because of itachi. But guess what? Itachi cried and sweated when his father put him into his genjutsu. Not only that, on the day that the kyuubi attacked the village, the third hokage couldn’t fight it, but guess who would end that battle pretty fast? It was fugaku and they all knew but they ordered him to stay out of the fight. Are y saying that the third hokage can beat someone that takes on kyuubi that easy? Even minato died trying to stop the kyuubi. Fugaku is extremely underestimated. Even itachi didn’t want to fight him. Fugaku was the mafia boss of the uchihas. Another wrong take from his part is that minato can win against itachi. Let’s say before edo tensei: Minato has nothing to stop itachis vast range of genjutsu. Kishimito even said he’s weak against genjutsu. Itachi uses tsukuyomi and can defeat him in seconds. Now let’s say after edo tensei: are y really confident minato can beat itachi? Itachi defeated NAGATO, nagato folded Naruto and killer bi. Naruto was said to be stronger than minato in the war. Do y see where I’m going?
@@TheFreakinGOAT 😂😂😂. You’re distracted. have you heard about izanagi? Byron is trash because it’s time limited and last very short, and after that you’re useless. It’s great against otsutsukis but weak against sharingan. Izanagi defeats Byron with easy. Go look when a obito used izanagi against Konan. Why do you mention kakashi? Kakashi hokage didn’t have DMS. Not only that, it’s Obito eyes. You question should be who is going to defeat Obito DMS
its even stated here as follows. "Who can break Kotoamatsukami? Because it clearly overwrites the persons brain you cannot break free of this jutsu. Nobody flooding you with chakra or telling you otherwise will work. This means all people including perfect Jinchurikki such as Naruto and Killer bee are susceptible to this jutsu."
Showcasing how, the only reason they were able to break out of it was because Danzo using koto was weaker then if shisui did. Shisui can only use Koto as stated once every ten years. Danzo used it over and over because he had hashirama's chakra. Shisui using it is way more powerful then him using it.
@@JayJay-xv8ht so someone who doesn’t have Hashirama’s cells can use a jutsu better than someone who does have Hashirama’s cells? Eevn tho the man’s cells literally are able to power other jutsus? And even though technically Danzo had it longer than Shisui? Cause the kid was like 14-15 when he had it. And he didn’t have it long either cause he hadn’t actually used it at any point because he still had the use of both his eyes before Danzo took his one eye.
Yeah but the tailed beast would just let the know that they are. Even if you wanna say he defeats tsuande now he can’t used it for another 10 years and still loses to the other kage.
Tbh, I agree with almost everything. Well technically, I agree with this too but I just strongly disagree with the difficulty. The match up I’m talking about is tsunade vs Shisui. I’m sorry Shisui fans but tsuande neg diffs him. Shisui doesn’t have a susano and even if he did, tsunade cracked madara’s susano and I think even Shisui fans can agree madara’s susano is miles above shisui’s filler/hypothetical susano. Genjutsu? Nope tsuande is immune to genjutsu aside from infinite tsukiyomi but like hammer said, that’s an outlier for obvious reasons. “But but kotoamtsukami”. I just got done watching part 1 naruto and when naruto and jiraiya come and bring tsunade back after both Kakashi and sasuke get put in tsukiyomi, tsuande just places her hand on their head and they were healed just like that. We all know tsunade can heal herself and is the best medic in the entire show(Sakura surpassed her but it was towards the end of naruto or rather in Boruto). Tsunade can easily just heal herself after theoretically getting hit by kotoamtsukami. Tsuande blitzed stronger and faster people than Shisui so body flicker ain’t doin shit. Sorry for the rant but i sympathize with hammer when he said Shisui is overrated. Dude lost to anbu members when that shit wouldn’t happen to any of the hokage Edit: I didn’t even bring her summons into discussion 🤣🤣🤣. Yeah it’s not looking good for Shisui
Healed Kakashi? How does that prove she is immune to shisui gengetsu!?! This is one of the strongest gengetsu in the series, why are you excluding infinite tsukyomi? It is gengetsu in the end, meaning neither tsunade nor sakura are actually immune to gengetsu, they can still be affected at least by very strong ones, so he uses it on tsunade and Tatsuya and it is done. Also He can take her head out immediately, with his body flicker, from the beginning, not giving her the chance to do 100 healing and bring tatsuya, can she survive her head cut?!
@@apologizethatyouwerebornin2616 His eye won't be using his Ultimate gengetsu for a long time And shisui wanted to use the gengetsu on his clan Also, I wouldn't be sure that tsunade is more powerful than danzo Danzo has many eyes and hax of gengetsu
Imagine if Hashirama giveñ his full potential he would use planetary devastation and deep forest emergence to creat miniature worlds this cr4@ting his own dimensions Hashirama actually informed Madara Uchiha of his one thousand hand ability when they were kids but madara was more focused on challenging him at that time
“Just a little extra time on the weekends” 😂😂😂 I be thinking the same thing. I’m like he’s literally the only one who can do what he does and he just came up with it from nothing???
The thing is is that the Tobirama and Minato each have one shot kills. I'm aware that the Uchiha have genjutsu but I think that the effectiveness would be weaker in a huge team fight. Their use of shadow clones on the Kage team should put them over the edge. I do think Izanagi might be the key to winning for a win condition since it can reverse the course of the fight
@Orochimaru PR against who? Tobirama and Minato stomp Itachi and Sishui. Minato and Tobirama are both much faster than either Sishui or Itachi and have way larger chakra reserves. Both are sensory type ninja as well and could tell exact locations of shinobi miles away simply by putting a finger on the ground. Also like Itachi Minato could weave hand signs with one hand as well. Icould keep going on about why Minato and Tobirama win but it's all really obvious.
@@natekeller24 Shisui and Itachi are more skilled and smarter though, they also have amazing genjutsu and at full power they can be a problem. Minato and tobirama might win but you are crazy to say they stomp lmao Shisui aint no obito you know, shisui vs minato can go either way
@@orochimarupr dude watch the video. Their genjutsu is just about useless against tobirama and Minato dude backs it with Canon facts. You don't know naruto power scaling at all you Uchiha fan boy.
@@natekeller24 what a clown, izuna and obito are literally fodder compared to shisui and Itachi lmaoo tobirama nor minato faced the level of shisui and Itachi 💀
You’d think the Uchiha would try creating a Majenko Sharingan by having someone kill a super resilient clone of their friend that made them think they were dead as an experiment to see if they actually had to kill to get it, or if they just needed to think they did so.
Tsunadae could deduct that someone was under genjutsu the whole point of koto amatsu kama is to control someone without them know plus koto is only a level under infinite tsukyomi its a mini single target version so saying that she easily got caught by infinite tsukyomi its safe to assume she wouldn't know
Hiruzen and Tobirama are crazy to scale, Tobirama was the most vocal edo how weak he was in the edo form yet he died at hands of the pseudo kurama jinchurikis while in his prime. Hiruzen as a old dude was able to use 2 shadow clones and reaper death seal 3 times but as an edo he pulled 4 shadow clones to fight zetsu and Tobirama hit his limit at 2 as an edo. Hiruzen may have more chakra than Tobirama which is ridiculous to me. He was the student of Tobirama so if someone knew Hiraishin it would be him.
I mean Hashirama clapped madara his entire life, Naruto clapped sauske, Minato can def take itachi, Tobirama already killed Izuna, Lord 3rd can clap the rest, and medic mommy tsunade can heal everyone lmaoo
@@muhsinajannat3917 one's trying to kill and another one holding back still they ended in a draw in final valley and adult Naruto low diffs adult sasuke without baryon (kcm 2 would be enough) mode .... Sasuke just won the 1st final valley again Naruto that's also in high diff .
I feel like If sasuke actually used every power at his disposal he'd be able to suck someone's soul out or do some wacky stuff with almighty pull into amatarasu
Kirin destroyed itatchis susanoo? I doubt that…. He was literally already blind at that point I’m sure that’s probably the reason the susanoo faded 🤣 and itatchi a tactical genius with a sharigan that can pick up chakra signatures fall to a FTG trap on the ground is blasphemous.
34:21 Honestly I don't believe it's about shisui being weak Tsunade was insanely powerful like she had most of hashiram's abilities on top of the fact that she's effectively immortal
Immortal doesn't mean invulnerable, immortal means that your still breathing, like a pokemon out of HP, your not dead, just just live to fight another day.
I understand the reasoning but it’s crazy to think that we’ve seen Shisui’s susaano and haven’t seen Fugaku but Fugaku’s is the one who gets to use theirs lmao
@@Poooppoop22not necessarily, he was one of the strongest in the village as the choices for 4th hokage were Minato, fugaku, and orocimaru. We just never saw him do anything so we don't his capabilities
Don't forget kishimoto made it clear early on 3rd hokage could use jutsu to its maximus effect whilst using the least amount of Chakra This ability is (not) automatic just because a individual has high Chakra or power aka Naruto 🤔 compared to itachi So no hiruzen does not have infinate Chakra for this reason Shishuis eyes was always meant to be more valuable /powerful than him It's pretty clear judging events in the Manga and novels and even anime to a extent
nick I love you for this , because you know everyone defends shisui and all these characters with sharingans and they always downplay the women in the show!, so even if you are defending her with bias which I don't think is the case because you gave very real and factual reasons as to why should would take the W! im just saying even if it was a little bit of bias , so tf what because the rest of the sexist fandom who literally hate on sakura and tsunade would have and always do the same thing on a daily basis lol so kudos to u for sticking up for us...
I don't think Itachi won't have a complete sussano. When he used his sussano against Sasuke, he was just playing with Sasuke, making him believe he actually is going to take his eyes, not to forget he might not even have enough chakra at that time, and he wanted to save some chakra so he can program the amaterasu in Sasuke's eyes. And even if he doesn't have a complete sussano, he would be able to manifest it while fighting.
Ok this is a good video but i have a question. If we are giving the uchiha 3 eyes madara shouldn't they win automatically due to the infinite tsukuyomi? Or am i missing something here?
Let me get this straight, Jubbitos solos all the Kages in the war arc, Sasuke is pretty much pair or more powerful than Naruto cuz u are giving half Kurama to Minato, and of top of that there is Jubidara and still u r giving the victory to the Hokages??? I want some of what you r smoking. Sasuke alone can end all the Hokages in seconds except Naruto, can Naruto do that vs all the Uchihas??
I think hashirama and tobirama got giga boosted in the war arc, and when kishimoto wrote the hiruzen vs orochimaru fight: hashirama and tobirama were scaled appropriately.
How Hashirama knew how to develop a 1000 armed wood style god to counter a susano clad nine-tails is easier to explain than how any eight gates user could develop, or train to use, any Death Gate taijutsu moves without dying during training.
So after watching this video something just hit me. The reason why orochimaru's version of the jutsu is weaker than Kabuto is because orochimaru not only forces his puppets but he also uses physical bodies. This in turn means that the the soul orochimaru places into a host can only do as much as the original body can. This also applies to the amount of chakra the body can hold
I think Shisui loses that fight because Tsunade can absolutely box a susanoo and genjutsu doesn't work well in these group settings against such massive opponents, but I do think you still under represented Shisui. It felt like he was downplayed because of his losing fights but I don't think it was fair, you made a video yourself about the Anbu getting a bad showing because of plot devices but on paper the captains are absolutely pushing low kage level, also Danzo is ridiculously powerful, it makes sense for him to be able to press high kage level opponents with prep time. I think statements about Shusui are clear, that he was strongest Uchiha at the time and possibly the greatest ever at using genjutsu, but his death was demanded by the plot so he died. The Uchiha are simply genuinely overhyped as a whole, they're elite but the named Uchiha that we get are still outliers, and they still lose fights in spite of mangekyou abilities, so it's totally fair to say Shusui is about as strong as his hype, while not forgetting the verse is full on non-Uchihas that can win fights against the best of them.
agreed I think tsnaude who'd still win but I thinks shishwy would have a Sossanu there one way a gunnies like shiswy had a mongeyo for that long and never got one like look at sausage
What about Hikaku and Kagami Uchihas? Known as 2 of the strongest Uchihas ever? I know Hikaku is shown on like one random manga panel or light novel or something, but he was known within the clan as the strongest person to ever come out of the clan.
The fact that you can’t remember where you saw these people and that they might have only been shown in a single panel is why they aren’t there we know literally nothing but people calling them the strongest of course they aren’t on the list of uchiha
@@freddylisy10 on one hand, that makes sense, but I believe replacing Shisui with either of those 2 would be fairly reasonable. Hikaku was stated to be stronger than Madara before EMS who lived alongside him and Kagami was stated to be stronger than Shisui. As for where I've seen them - there's a video from DynoKnight about Hikaku, that's where I've got the info. Go watch it, it's actually pretty rad of a story.
I did think of this myself but if we are talking about the "absolute" strongest version of Sasuke, he should win because relatively speaking the only times him and Naruto are ever rivals are when he literally just got something new, keep in mind the end of the war was at least less than a day, so within that amount of time he got his Rinnegan with tomoe and Naruto got a boosted version of a form with a stronger sage buff and other tailed beasts' chakra on top, things he's had access to for a far longer time so you give Sasuke over 10 years of training to the point he should be capable of using all 6 paths abilities of the Rinnegan, and Amenotejikara on top of that? Naruto is only winning if he uses Baryon mode, they literally have to nerf Sasuke with a chakra deficiency in Boruto because him being able to use all the Rinnegan abilities and having extra chakra (as just having the eyes gives more, and Sasuke's is at least stronger than a pair of them) then I see no reason why he would lose unless he's put against someone who's going to entirely outscale him in power and have his chakra depleted, because y'know..he can absorb Ninjutsu? So he'll have to lose in a fight of Taijutsu from Naruto in Baryon mode.
Why does no one ever mention Tsukyomi into account when speaking of Itachi vs Minato? Minato has never seen Itachi's Tsukyomi, so he wouldn't know what it does. Itachi killed his lover in less than a second by having her mind live out their full lives in the blink of an eye, shutting her body down. Kurama wouldn't have enough time to break the genjutsu. Not only that, but Kurama is capable of being placed under gejutsu himself. I feel like Itachi gets downplayed in that fight.
As much as I love Itachi, if we're talking strongest form, Minato would have sage mode. Additionally, he is very much aware of the Uchiha's Ocular Jutsu (not even including Tsukiyomi) and would keep his eyes closed. With sage mode no eyeside is absolutely no problem.
@@TheTaleOfSunAndMoon He didn't close his eyes at all against Obito as "the masked man." Also, Kakashi has the knowledge as well. Kakashi was in a unit in anbu with Itach. He still got caught by it. Minato didn't know the capabilities of Itachi and wouldn't expect Tsukyomi. Also, keep jn mind Kakashi got caught as soon as Itachi activated his mangekyo. He didn't have to activate it and charge it up to use it. If he didn't have it active when first encountering Minato and then did it the same way he did Kakashi, why wouldn't Minato get caught? Minato doesn't open his fights with Sage mode anyway. He didn't even use it against Obito. Didn't use it against Kurama either. Why would he already be in it? Same goes for KCM mode. He didn't open with it. Kurama would have to actively break him out of genjutsu, also. In 1 second, Tsukyomi could kill him.
@@DramelleW I think it depends on the how the battle begins. This is of course a made up situation. The questions are: Do they know who they're up against? How will they face each other? Arena like where they both face each other? Or will one kinda like be able to spy on the other first? If Minato knew he would go up against an Uchiha he would 100% use sage mode and shut his eyes. Kakashi was surprised attacked more or less, also he has no sage mode and is reliant on his eyesight. As for Obito, for one he didn't know it was an Uchiha, secondly he simply didn't need to use sage mode because he was way faster, and third it's the author's fault. Kishimoto wanted to just amp Minato to the Max in the end of Naruto, so he made him overpowered with everything he could. This fight just so many factors to consider, honestly there is no definitive answer
@@TheTaleOfSunAndMoon I could 100% support that answer, that a winner couldn't be predicted. My issue is just when people get nerfed or the fights plot gets skewed towards one individual. In their case, Itachi wholly knows who Minato is and what he can do. Minato has no idea what adult Itachi can do. Minato is VERY capable, as is Itachi. Two of my favorite characters. I just want it to be fair.
Whenever someone talks about Uchiha vs Hokage, a meme like this will always come to my mind "let Hashirama handle Madara, then leave Naruto to fight Sasuke and let Itachi take care of the remaining uchiha"
Exactly you are right
And let another Hokage handle onito bec itachi cant beat obito
Let Tobirama deal with Izuna
LMAOO
@@saadabdullah5786 kakashi should be put with obito haha
Tsunade is the most criminally underrated shinobi in the franchise lmao
Just because Reanimated Madara messed her up and she couldnt fight Pain because she had just protected THE WHOLE VILLAGE from a deadly blast, doesnt mean she cant absolutely destroy Most Kage-level opponents quite convincingly. She's also the most broken Healer shinobi in history and revolutionized the whole healthcare system of Konoha and probably alot more villages who took them as an example. And she can punch you so hard your ancestors would feel it too.
Her only fight ability is BIG PUNCH!!!! She doesn’t lay a hand on anyone faster than her, any distance control, or any strategy higher than hers, and there’s plenty of each of those.
@@CrimsonZbossthere's no proof that she doesn't know any long range attacks. We just haven't seen it.
@@CrimsonZbossso is Sakura's, and yet in her mock fight with Kakashi he barely avoided her blows. Turns out, if you can leap forward fast enough a battle of speed becomes a matter of stamina. Plus, the sheer amount of area denial her slug summon provides makes cornering an opponent basically a sure thing.
@@dragonflyjones5023 Thats more proof that she doesnt know any more than its proof that she does.
She’s literally a goat she cracked Madara’s perfect susano
He also sleeps on the fact that Tsunade is even better to have in a 7 v. 7. While she may not be as impressive in just pure fighting, she's top 3 support in the verse while the Uchiha don't have a comparable utility member
@@RudolfHillershashirama actually was one and only user of trees. So it's really plot, uchihas have too op abilities for shinobies and should have dominated given they are more cunning and cold-thinking people. Though their constant rivalry also quite dumb thing, they jsut basically genocide each other which only weakens both when they could just made some pact to not attack each other and just dominate all world.
It's a one v one most fight tho so this wouldn't even come up
@@yarikyaryi the senju all have huge chakra reserves and strong bodies plus slight regeneration. So while the uchiha had dojutsu and crazy skill, the senju were throwing around huge jutsu and overpowered stats. Basically sasuke vs naruto
@@yarikyaryitrue logic thinking, but this was more so a family war for vengeance between Senju and Uchiha. Just a constant cycle because, you can’t watch people kill your son, cousin, father, brother, and let them get away with it(madara up until hashirama can finally convince him to create the leaf)
Yeah they do… itachi! He will kill them all swiftly so they don’t have to die painfully to the hokage.
People sometimes claim that Tsunade wouldn’t summon Katsuyu in a fight but when you go back she summons her to fight a minute after getting over her hemaphobia. Literally the 2nd jutsu she used after getting over it.
@@BeeruzChrysler Its stated that Katsuyu is tapped into her summoners chakra via the 100 healings seal. Genjutsus all affect the persons flow of chakra. Not to mention Tsunade has a second source that continuously pumps her which is a way to break genjutsus as well.
Tobirama seeing an Uchiha anywhere in his vicinity: "My day is ruined and my disappointment is immeasurable"
This is the same thing I say when I wake up.
since tobirama gets a boost for every uchiha alive around him then he takes all the figths 100%
His Racism Amp alone solos all Uchihas
Fax, Nick probably forgot to mention that!
Uchihas on the same page mentally CURB STOMPS ALL INCLUDING TOBIRAMA🥴
@@echidnanatsuki882 he literally showed Tobirama's student who was an Uchiha in this video
@@harmoen Kagami Uchiha is like the Candice Owens of the Uchiha. Like she's a black woman that think she's white he's an Uchiha who thinks he's a Senju lol.
I wonder: if both Deidara and Sasori had witnessed a full-blown replicating explosion tag jutsu from Tobirama would they both agree that it was beautiful art? It's a glorious explosion but one that could in theory last forever.
Deidara doesent like explosions he likes things that don't last long, a fleeting moment of beauty is art
@@nothingness4068 damn, no wonder he’s maidenless.
@@Prince_Luci naw you violated💀
No homo I got chills thinking about it pause
Imagine what they'd think of konans ocean of tags she used on tobi
"Jigen put more holes in Sasuke than the war arc did" is my new favorite Nick quote LOL
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Tobirama V Itachi: who can destroy the Uchiha the fastest.
Hiruzen had every nature chakra as well as yin release yang release and yin yang release. He learned and mastered every jutsu that wasn't a dojutsu or a kekigenkai however he did know about them and their counters. He knew clan specific jutsu like the Inuzuka clans enhancements to smelling and hearing it's speculated that he may have known the Nara clans shadow jutsu
Aren’t those passed down by genetics?
@@SAWYERFAN.1 the kekigenkai yes the shadow release of the Nara clan no that's just clan specific non kekigenkai jutsu
i think he was just trying to give the uchihas something, hiruzen definitely wins
having yin and yang release absolutely does not confer Hiruzen with yin-yang release. yin release is using ones spiritual energy in conjunction with their imagination to create something that is physically non existent sort of like how a genjitsu works. yang release uses physical energy to give form to something that previously did not have any like medical ninjutsu but ying-yang release gives one the ability to use both of the previous ideas of creating something with spiritual without physical form and then giving it physical form using physical energy and an example of this is what is also known as the creation of all things technique meaning with enough chakra you could create anything within the confines of your imagination which is why hogoromo otsutsuki famously used this technique to transfer the chakra of the 10 tails into the 9 tailed beasts
@@mauibaljeu5057 could have sworn I saw that he had yin-yang release but I'm probably mistaken on that, it's been a minute
I honestly don’t think hashirama ever thought he would need that 1000 arms thingy he just mastered it cause he thought it looked cool😂😂😂😂 then he ended up needing it
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@@himmynutron bout to say
@@himmynutron how dumb do you think people are
One thing I love about Tobirama's 3 jutsu is how they all work to try and counter different aspects of the sharingan.
Flying raijin to counter the perception
Shadow clones were useful since senju have stronger bodies, which I imagine allows them to handle splitting their Chakra easier. And if that's actually the case, throwing more slightly weaker bodies at them seems like a feasible strategy.
And finally, edo tensei. This one, in my opinion, was to counter Izanagi. In the anime, we see an Uchiha bring back an entire platoon with one eye. Edo tensei feels like a logical counter, albeit more morbid than izanagi.
Dude! I never thought of it that way, that’s so cool!
@@___________0Z0X Thanks! I didn't either until he was going through his abilities in the video. It's not a perfect theory, but it's pretty cool.
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He's also Konoha's best water style user, which is Fire style's weakness, something that the Uchihas are proficient in
kunai is the toy with itachi
He can counter flying raijin easily
"You're the only one I can count on, my best friend. Protect the Village. And the Uchiha name. Both of them." *- Shisui Uchiha*
Instead he ruined it 🤣
@@sharafali7340 nah in a round about sort of way, he did save the Uchiha name. If the Uchiha coup attempt ever got off the ground, every non uchiha would probably hate them and they'd ruin their own name. My itachi killing them, he only destroyed his own name. The rest if the ninja world sees the uchiha as victims of his betrayal.
@@WCUmetalhead Should have killed Sasuke too then .
We all know what 2 uchihas did against the whole world. Why are y even comparing them against hokages
The truth is the uchiha can fold all clans and hokages together at the same time. We all know the plots that were created to weaken the uchihas but deep down there we all know they are the best. We all know what 2 uchihas did against the whole world. Why are y even comparing them against hokages.
Madara strongest form can solo all these hokages put together. Did y see how quickly he folded minato during the war? Minato didn’t even notice where his arm went. Hashirama beating madara was a plot that most people don’t believe. We all see who were the strongest when they were revived.
Regarding fugaku I’m 100% sure he beats the 3rd hokage. There’s a reason why the third hokage and danzou didn’t end sasuke, it was because of itachi. But guess what? Itachi cried and sweated when his father put him into his genjutsu. Not only that, on the day that the kyuubi attacked the village, the third hokage couldn’t fight it, but guess who would end that battle pretty fast? It was fugaku and they all knew but they ordered him to stay out of the fight. Are y saying that the third hokage can beat someone that takes on kyuubi that easy? Even minato died trying to stop the kyuubi. Fugaku is extremely underestimated. Even itachi didn’t want to fight him. Fugaku was the mafia boss of the uchihas.
Another wrong take from his part is that minato can win against itachi. Let’s say before edo tensei: Minato has nothing to stop itachis vast range of genjutsu. Kishimito even said he’s weak against genjutsu. Itachi uses tsukuyomi and can defeat him in seconds. Now let’s say after edo tensei: are y really confident minato can beat itachi? Itachi defeated NAGATO, nagato folded Naruto and killer bi. Naruto was said to be stronger than minato in the war. Do y see where I’m going?
In a team fight having a support character like Tsunade is a HUGE help and a HUGE advantage. The Hokage's are also more prone to teamwork and combination techniques. With Hiruzen having all the techniques of the leaf that means 8 gates Hiruzen...
Btw Tsunade's healing could put Hiruzen back into the fight
I think the Uchiha’s would have stronger team synergy
@@cdg715no they wouldn’t. If we take their personalities into account definitely not. Most of them aren’t team players itachi included. The all have the same thing. There’s no versatility. You have to deal with genjutsu, susanoo and and specific mangekyo. The hokage team is way more versatile and have hella healing. Plus hashirama and tobirama are a big counter alone to the uchiha.
Not even saying this as a meme, but Naruto solos that entire Uchiha team in base as Hokage. His shadow clones r as strong as Sasuke's full power and can compete with fused Momoshiki who Sasuke was struggling against when he had a miniscule power deficit compared to Naruto. One clone for the entire Uchiha team and the other Hokage r just sun bathing watching from a distance. Even if the others fight, Naruto is a full arsenal and more proficient in all of their abilities. He can seal better than Hashirama now and heal better than Tsunade plus he can boost all their strengths to his level with six Paths cloaks. Naruto IS the support 😂
I 100 percent would bet my life that hiruzen couldn’t open anything past the 2nd gate if he could do the 8 gates at all, they say he has all the techniques of the leaf but we find out that’s not true at all almost immediately
@@TerribleTake The only techniques he cant use are the Kekkei Genkai and Flying Thunder god.
Both the anime and manga say that.
Every time adult Sasuke runs for like 2 seconds he has to sleep it off for a week.
Don't forget hashirama was only brought back at like 70 or 80% power at the war and like at 20% when orichimaru attacked the leaf
The intentionally needs hashirama. I mean people look at kurama and he looks at and smiles.
What really happened was power scaling and Hashirama was retconned to be uber powerful afterwards. The 20% power thing is a classic retcon.
@@harmoen someone gets it!!. The intentions during his first summon was 'he isn't thinking consciously himself but is full ppwer' thhen Shippuden forced him to be overpowered and at wararc he was so op just not god tier like obito.madara etc. Just horrible scaling
@@konanabanana2200 It was a wierd case actually, Kishimoto actually pulled one of the greatest long-term build-ups and introduction of a character when he brought in Madara, that required him to find a good reason for Madara to fail when he was alive. Enter "scaled-up" Hashirama. Tbh, despite the over-reliance on "Hashirama cells", I still prefer how things turned out rather than what had originally been planned.
no he was 1% when he fought hiruzen and 22% at war :D :D :D :D
Had to quickly debunk something, Kabuto is not the one who gave Madara Hasirama cells, in the Obito flashback scenes we can clearly see that it was Madara himself who used Hashirama cells to help keep himself alive.
Yea Kabuto only gave him rinnegan rentals and learned slash gigga drain and monster reborn before evolving into kabutops
@@stephaniematthews7867 you wild for this 😂😂😂😂
@@NEJIVIBEZ I'm just here to give out the fax 😭🥴😜
True, but what Kabuto did for Madara was give him more of Hashirama cells, giving him the Hashirama face on his chest to further channel more of Hashirama's powers.
Nearing the end of the 4th War, after Madara pinned down Hashirama with the Rinnegan rods, Sasuke hit Madara with the Amatarasu, exposing Madara's chest to Hashirama, showing him his face on his chest. When Hashirama questioned this, Madara stated that this was the idea of someone with a similar idea as his (Kabuto).
Madara needed new Hashirama cells, because he was revived in the form of Valley of the End Madara, aka the one Hashirama and everyone else thought was killed. Madara didn’t have Hashirama cells at that time, so Kabuto did have to give him some when he resurrected him.
Killing it with the fit this episode Nick. The double gold chain with a nice shirt with gold buttons is 👌
Hella Italian American vibes and I’m with it.
2chainz!!! Anime killa 😂😎
I was thinking the same thing drip was immaculate
I was hoping to see someone else mention his his fit this episode was stylish, caught me off guard
He looks like he’s about to star in a fruity rainbow adult film starring his peach.
Which I would happily pay to see. 🍑
So basically five Hokage victories, one draw, and one defeat that would take so long to settle that everyone else could dog pile Madeira and put him back and in the dirt.
I just watched a bunch of your videos for the first time, and I gotta say; the fact that you have 3 different theory videos all about Kakashi's potential heritage, and none of them really contradict either, is astounding
As far as fugaku’s abilities, i assume he was similar to itachi in that he typically defeated his enemies with terrifying genjutsu. The name “wicked eye” as opposed to other people with names like “yellow flash” for speed and “white fang” for ferocity and hair color, i assume fugaku’s name refers to his eyes abilities to show you wicked visions that break you mentally, rendering you incapable of fighting. I feel like this also suits his presence as well because we always see him with his arms crossed, standing firm, instead of with his arms by his side like most do to be able to quickly grab a kunai in the even to an ambush. He probably mainly fought with genjutsu which makes me wanna learn about him even more because it opens up an opportunity to see a lot of overlap between him and itachi giving more context to itachi’s moral and ethical beliefs such as his pacifism. It especially makes me think that when he took itachi to the battlefield at the age of 3, it was definitely to make him want to avoid war at all costs in order to build a proper hokage/clan leader who follows in his beliefs of peace
it would also make since as to why Itachi was so into Genjutsu before he awakened his Tsukuyomi. He was training to become a better version of his father.
People forget, Tsunade summon can place people inside. This could be a speed counter as it can block attacks and potentially stick to the opponent locking them (either arm, leg, whole body) in place allowing Tsunade to then land one and only blow. It's literally a tank shield for her to encounter those faster
Amaterasu and kamui heavily counter her summons
@@vaggeIakos yeah, one v one against itachi or Obito. but by that time she's already fighting side by side with others that counter.
@@wadeo_0 Obito can teleport behind her with kamui and itachi's amaterasu pretty much instantly ignites the target on fire, there's nothing she can do
@@vaggeIakos this is a team battle. backs are covered and countered. strategy is also a thing. Obito still has his opponent as well as Itachi. there's speed blitzer on the kages team that is just as fast to protect
also the kages will more than likely have knowledge on amateratsu due to experience and will have seals, and we know the fire can be sealed away. itachi can't just spam it without fatigue
@@wadeo_0 The hokage's have no idea about itachi's amaterasu, they have never seen him use it, they only know about sasuke's. So basically itachi can 1 shot her from the beginning without anyone even realizing what happened other than sasuke and obito. Also the only person that can even defend her is minato, we know he is the second fastest among the hokage team (naruto is the fastest but he's going to be fighting sasuke) and he could barely react to kamui so it's pretty easy to say that not even tobirama who admittedly is slower than minato won't be able to save her. And considering minato is going to have to protect tsunade while at the same time worrying about not getting sucked into kamui himself, it's pretty easy to conclude that he won't be able to protect both himself and tsunade at the same time.
Also if we use their best forms, obito is faster than minato anyway.
The uchihas got so many hax that the hokages simply won't be able to keep up with them, especially considering sasuke can arguably defeat naruto by trapping him into another dimension then he 1 shots everybody else
The thing that really pisses me off is when people say the Uchiha clan would’ve beat the Leaf, when majority of your power comes from like 2 people back then and only one person we know had a ability for multiple people (Itachi ameturasu). Like they got killed by a teenager 😅…bruh
Like most things in Naruto. Hard nerf to advance the plot. Think about it, night of the massacre. shouldn't EVERY Uchiha awaken the mangekyo as their parents or kids die? Or use Izanagi?
@@michaelbread5906Even if they did they would still be way weaker than Itachi or because they were in too much shock to do anything
@@michaelbread5906 well no, seeing that Sasuke didn’t
Right, I say it all the time that the Uchiha would've lost, most of them probably didn't have a Sharingan. Plus Itachi took out 3 grown men on the police force as a 13 year old
They weren't ready for it and his dad let him
Lmao, imagine the dark souls boss music hitting when Shisui makes eye contact with Tsunade
I'd count the MS for Fugaku mainly because Kishimoto has had a tendency to incorporate anime only elements into the manga. Like Raiga with his special swords becoming canon or that whole Filler with Sora basically becoming a blueprint for Kishimoto to implement the final war with all of the undead ninja.
while i’d be inclined to agree i’m pretty sure hiruzen wipes either way
I can see Hashirama holding off Madara while Tobirama deal with the rest. Oh, and Naruto fighting Sasuke.
10 tails Madara?
Idk about Ten Tails Madara tho bro. NCHammer made a mistake about the Limbo clones - Hashirama’s wood clones definitely wouldn’t have been able to fight them as they were on a different dimensional plane. Naruto’s shadow clones could tho and that was simply because he had Six Paths Sage Mode, which is completely different to regular Sage Mode(s)
Tobirama is not dealing with ten-tails Obito
Tobirama would lose to itachi
Who tf y’all think tobirama is talking about holding out the rest 😂😂
Another great video. Unfortunate to see the Uchiha lose, but it's always great hearing you talk about Tsunade's battle prowess.
By the way, the white polo you're wearing in this video is sweet. Could you share where you got it?
I love this because we can take non-contradictory filler into account. Makes the battles more fun
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There's 2 Kotoamatsukamis. The one Danzo used is the weaker version that can be spammed and easily broken out of. The one that Itachis crow used on him is the unbreakable one that even if you know you're under it you still can't do anything about it.
no they are both Shishuis eyes using the same technique, its even said that the one Danzo used by Oi (or however you spell old mate with the stolen Eye) is Shisuis. there is also the argument that Danzos is actually stronger because its boosted by good old Hmans cells and that's why he can recover from it so quickly.
@@TurtlehaxNZ93 they are different eyes, every uchiha have different ability/variation of ability in both their ms, obito's kamui and kakashi's kamui is different for example. Danzo's kotoamatsukami can be casted more frequently (with hashirama cells it's once per day) but mifune break out of the genjutsu after ao told him about it, meanwhile the one that hit itachi can't be broken out of, itachi is still under control when he literally explain what the genjutsu did to him
@@minegamerpro1308 true
this needs more recognition. idk why nick doesn't seem to believe this, but if he has some special, irrefutable reason, i wanna hear it, cos that ability was so powerful, Kishimoto had to be like "Shisui who?" during the war arc when everyone and their uncle were getting edo'd.
I think thats largely conjecture - One could argue that there aren't 2 Kamui's and that rather than there being 2 Kamui, each eye contributes a part of the effect and that the true power only comes from combining the eyes. "Kotoamatsukami is a genjutsu that can be used to infiltrate and change a persons mind, those under its effects are unaware and can not break themselves out of it." This doesn't imply that either the left or right eye creates an unbreakable jutsu, it implies that the person under its effects are unable to recognize that they are and there for cannot break it - the one exception to this could have been Itachi as he cast Kotoamatsukami on himself through the crow implant in Naruto knowing 1) What it did. 2) What the order of Kotoamatsukami was. There is no proof that Itachi couldn't have broken it, because he was unwilling to do so and return to being Kabuto's puppet. What we know - Genjutsu is the ability to use your Chakra to manipulate the Chakra in the Cerebral Nervous System of another target. Genjutsu can be released through external stimulus or disturbances/corrections in your chakra. Kabuto tried to use Genjutsu to break himself out of Genjutsu but failed due to complexity - not surprising because Itachi Uchiha is the most adept user of Genjutsu we see in the entire series.
id love to see a second part of this
where we just have Sarada in there as well as an oddball
we all know that she's probably gonna be a hokage
but she would also be the first Uchiha hokage
so in this fight she'd just float around helping whichever side she wanted
No? Obviously she would be helping the uchiha
@@mkkp9861 No? She would be helping the Hokage because she knows 1 Uchiha and not even that much. She has 0 reason to fight for the Uchihas and all the reason to fight for the hokage.
Nick 3 months ago,
“I’m not a power scaler, that’s not my thing”
Nick today,
“Hey here’s another another power scaling video”
True but he does only one verse not two separate ones.
@@Jarethttorney don’t mean he isn’t a power scaler now it is more logical keeping it to one verse tho
I think it was more to say to not try and take his powerscaling to seriously because he isn't super into researching how the fights would play out
@@mavrikthescaler5983 yep
Minor correction, Nick: Sasuke _also_ used the Preta Path to absorb some of the last of Naruto's Chakra during that fight in the Valley of the End. That's the _only_ reason he lasted as long as he did; he had actually _depleted his Chakra reserves_ and needed to steal Naruto's Chakra to keep fighting. Preta Path's abilities are _easily_ the most overpowered of the Six Paths powers, because Nature Chakra is _still_ Chakra, making it equally as absorbable; it helps that Sasuke is _fully compatible_ with Nature Chakra, though I don't think it'll help him win his fight with Naruto. I'm actually _offended_ that neither Obito _nor Sasuke himself_ made proper use of the Preta Path, because it would have _handily_ given them easy wins in fights that they were shown to _struggle_ through.
And since you so politely invited us to do so, let's discuss Shisui versus Tsunade. Well, Shisui _does_ have a way to _definitively_ win, and it's actually pretty logical. He needs to use Body Flicker to close the distance with Tsunade and deliver a single, absolutely lethal strike against her while her Byakugou Seal isn't activated. Shisui almost _certainly_ has the speed component down pat... but what if Tsunade has Katsuyu summoned already and the Byakugou Seal active from the get-go? Well, _that'd_ be where Kotoamatsukami comes in. As it so happens, I don't think that _anyone_ can actually be immune to Kotoamatsukami unless they have a Rinnegan. We know that Yagura was a Perfect Jinchuuriki, and Obito's Genjutsu, noted to be _very_ similar to Kotoamatsukami, had him under control for _years_ in spite of the supposed immunity that Jinchuuriki have to Genjutsu in general. In a similar vein, Dual Mangekyo Sharingan wielders are basically immune to Genjutsu as well... except that Kotoamatsukami _absolutely_ worked on Edo Itachi, and _would_ have probably worked on Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan _Sasuke_ according to what Edo Itachi mentioned to Naruto. Since peak Shisui has both of his Mangekyo Sharingan in this versus scenario, he has _two_ opportunities to use Kotoamatsukami, and follow up with Body Flicker to exploit the opening. In an ideal world, Shisui would use Kotoamatsukami on Tsunade to compel her to Unsummon Katsuyu and deactivate the Strength of a Hundred Healings Jutsu, which _will_ leave her vulnerable to a fatal blow delivered via Body Flicker, before she can either snap herself out of the Genjutsu, or before someone _else_ does it for her.
In all seriousness, this does require Shisui to _know_ the _absolute best way_ to use his skill-set... which is a _very_ big ask, considering how many Naruto characters _grievously misuse_ their powers. But it's there. Kotoamatsukami is _not_ meant for long-term shenaniganry like what Shisui originally planned on using it for; it is _actually_ meant to create a _single, inescapable moment of total vulnerability_ in an otherwise unbeatable foe for the wielder to _ruthlessly_ exploit in mortal combat.
NCHammer has strong hate for half of the Uchiha cause if he didn't hate Sasuke & Shisui this would have been a close fight. He didn't give Shisui his Chakra Mech because he doesn't like him, which would make him a real threat in direct combat and have him be a big help in this team match-up.
Lol he didn’t absorb Nature chakra tho. If he did he would have turned into stone. Have you never watched Naruto?? Lol
@@Dorian364ok Shisui prob could beat tsunade it’s just hard to prove because he hardly has any feats. But sasuke vs naruto at their peaks isn’t really a close fight. Like he said sasuke had all the chakra from the tail beast other than the half of kurama that was inside of naruto. He was dang near a 10 tail jinchuriki and still stalemated with naruto.
@@Dorian364 I don't think he _hates_ half of the Uchiha, per se. Except Sasuke, of course; he _absolutely_ hates Sasuke. I _do_ think he believes that about half of the Uchiha are poorly written... which is more-or-less true for just about _all_ of them, barring Itachi and _maybe_ Obito. Many of the Uchiha just don't get enough screen-time/page-time for us to really know where their limits lie, and others just seem to _magically_ acquire overpowered hax for no good reason other than to win them a fight that they have no business winning, like Sasuke and Madara. Unfortunately, Kishimoto didn't write his Sasuke and Madara battles particularly well, so he _egregiously_ overused Deus ex Machina to keep them relevant, which is poor form.
As for Shisui? It really doesn't matter for this matchup whether he has Susanoo or not, though logic dictates that he _should_ have access to it in at least _some_ capacity. Tsunade can crack _Madara's_ Susanoo rib-cage with a punch, so unless Shisui's is of comparable toughness, all he'd be doing is wasting Chakra... and _maybe_ reducing the force of the blow enough that it doesn't take the clean-up crew a week to mop up what's _left_ of him. Not that he'd _know_ that for sure, but he'd likely have heard about at least _some_ of Tsunade's war exploits, which should be enough to make him _rightfully doubt_ the usefulness of Susanoo against her. No, his best hope is to try to one-shot Tsunade before the Strength of a Hundred Healings or Katsuyu come into play, or to use Kotoamatsukami to _make those problems go away_ for long enough that he can beat her. The potential is there, but it is _completely_ dependent upon whether he _knows_ that this is his one hope for victory.
@@natiboi7656 I never said he did, though it's possible that he _did_ do so in that instance... it's kinda ambiguous. Perhaps I worded it poorly, but what I _did_ say is that Sasuke _can_ absorb Nature Chakra because he is _definitely_ compatible with it, and it is _objectively_ absorbable via the Preta Path. The first hint, in hindsight, is that he didn't die when he had the Cursed Seal of Heaven put on him, which functions by drawing in Nature Chakra to enhance those marked by it, like a knock-off _almost_ Sage Mode. I speculate that Sasuke is _also_ more akin to his Otsutsuki ancestors than others in his Clan due to being Indra's Reincarnation, which would _definitely_ make him more compatible with Nature Chakra, considering the Otsutsuki function by _eating all of the Nature Chakra on a planet_ to evolve; in fact, the Preta Path seems like a _nerfed_ version of this ability.
I think you answered the question on which forms of Hashirama and Tobirama are stronger, since you mentioned that Hiruzen pulls out the parts of their souls in the edo tensei bodies, so they don't have their full souls or chakra. The chakra doesn't matter with edo tensei, but the souls does, since it is shown that without parts of your soul you are weaker (for example with orochimaru and kurama), so that could be why hashirama can't use 1,000 arm kanon. Loved the video btw.
Thought they got brought back from the reaper?
They weren’t real Edo Tensei of Hashirama and Tobirama. Only the appearances was...
Oh and as for the people who question why Madara could use Kamui but Obito couldn't, that's as simple as thinking about their fusion with the Ten Tails, Madara's was more complete and he used Kakashi's eye which makes a ranged version of Kamui, so either the more complete version isn't unstable anymore and is entirely subjugated, or the eye Kakashi had works differently than the one Obito has and Madara opened it at a distance and entered it that way, which seems more like both are correct but it could be either one.
I also thought Obito said he couldn't *phase* with Kamui as the 10-Tails jinchuuriki, not that the entire ability was off limits.
@@MarioTheLiopleurodon He said if he were to use Kamui, it might disconnect the chakra of the Ten Tails from his body, or at least would make it "burst" out of his body, but I believe Madara's being more complete could have something to do with why he could use it instead, you could also just argue the close ranged version of Kamui can't do it since it moves his body part by part, but the ranged version Madara used creates a portal as big as the user wants it to be.
@@shikaotsu7194 True. Your theory on the more complete 10-Tails is also probably spot-on. The Jyuubi with half of Kurama was more stable than Kinkaku/Ginkaku Chakra.
Since when Madara used Kamui😂
@@muhsinajannat3917 When he took the eye Kakashi had??
Massive correction here: Shisui does have two separate abilities, just like every Uchiha.
Sasuke’s left eye had Amaterasu and his right eye Kagutsuchi, Itachi had Amaterasu on the right eye and Tsukuyomi on the left eye…
And these are Shisui’s abilities for each eye:
Right Eye: Places opponent under a suggestive genjutsu, making them think their thoughts are their own. Nigh imperceptible because of this. Usable once a day with Hashirama cells. (Cooldown may vary with shisui himself.)
Left Eye: Places opponent under a compulsive genjutsu. It is virtually unbreakable whether they notice it or not, the command will be carried out. Usable once a decade. (Due to age complications, Shisui himself may have a shorter cool down for this ability).
Nick sleeping on shisui fr
@@ddcarrthesniper1875 yeah but not really. Shisui had so much potential but he was only like 14 when he died, so he never got to be hokage level.
Yeah, he had one of the best hax but just imagine him with EMS, susanoo, more experience, etc.
@@AgarioGameplays He would've baptized the Naruto verse with Itachi as his partner
Source: voices in my head
Naruto is filled with many inconsistencies but there is no proof that either is unbreakable only that both are referred to as kotoamatsukami and that kotoamatsumaki changes a persons perception in a manner where they don't know they are being manipulated - denoted as being false experiences, as the other is used on Itachi who has no desire to break the genjutsu as it doesn't really effect him. He cast a Genjutsu on himself that was designed to make his brother's goals align more with his own as Sasuke was going to destroy the Leaf which his brother fought so hard to protect, which by sheer coincidence freed him from the Manipulation of Kabuto, by releasing it he would have immediately became Kabuto's slave again, and after he defeats Kabuto, Edo Tensei is released. If I had to speculate as to why Kabuto can't command him through Kotoamatsukami, I would wager that the False Experiences prevent other effects that would manipulate a persons perception, such as Edo Tensei command, Infinite Tsukuyomi, or just regular Tsukuyomi, because they rewrite the targets perception, meaning that the target doesn't actually perceive the original effect. Sort of like looking at the sun through sunglasses. Was Itachi able to break a genjutsu that made Itachi act more like Itachi? Maybe, Maybe not, but we'll never know because he didnt have to and there for its speculative. It is also speculative because nothing about shisui's character makes a fucking lick of sense - it has a 10 year cooldown, but we know he used it before because he earned a reputation for having used said genjutsu before in battle and Ao could recognize it on sight. Shisui's Mangekyo Sharingan is a plot device, and the only thing the character ever did that had any relevancy was master Body Flicker in combat which is pretty cool.
Itachi solos
All the the Uchiha, it’s canon😂
You had us in the first half ngl.
Basically, All Hokages + Itachi vs Uchiha Clan 💀
Tobirama and Itachi solos the Uchihas, because... Tobirama gets a 500% buff when fighting an Uchiha, plus a 200% for seeing an Uchiha killing an Uchiha. That's just how it works. These are Facts
@@2nd_HokageYour words are correct but your name does not
One peace has a LOT more characters
@@Minorityhunterzoro59 fo you mean me talking like a third person?
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You're the only Uchiha I respect and you love One Piece?
I literally thought, "wouldn't fugaku be MInato's foil tho?" And then Nick comes in with the deep mocking voice as a counterargument. BRO I CAN'T. I love when he does that it's hilarious. He did make a good point tho since I only thought about the fugaku vs minato theory fiction. BUt being with hiruzen makes sense as well.
I have a theory about why edo tensei isn't generaly as strong as there living counterparts. Because although they have infinitely regenerating chakra, I think that the pool of chakra is limited to the pool of the sacraficed shinobi. So for people that were known to have enormous chakra pools like hashirama or nagito, there edo tenseied versions would be limited to the cap of the sacrifice and be unable to use there best (most chakra intensive) attacks. This would also explain why shinobis that focused on chakra control like itachi and tobirama seem to be stronger, because they are better equipped to deal with the lower chakra pool.
When orochimaru picked sacrifices we know he picked them based on a battle royal, making the strongest the sacrifices not nessisarily the ones with the highest chakra pool. That might be why his edo tensei's seemed to be weaker then kabutos. Just head cannon, but it makes sense to me :)
its not a theory, Madara confirmed that after Tobirama tried to FTG him
Doesn't tobirama say something like "only 2 clones dam"? Doesn't that imply that while he was alive he could summon more? Meaning he had less chakra in the war arc?
yes and no there edo state does make them weaker by how muuh who know"s
I think it was because he was using a lot of chakra to keep the barrier
Itachi was the Hokage we should've gotten.
Itachi was a moron
Lol no 😂
You really loved this video, you commented like 7+ times on this video
@@Agent-Spear funnily enough I haven't watched the video 😂
@@Agent-Spear I think I commented 3 times
And meanwhile in the shadows Kabuto and Kakuzu are laughing it up and counting all their money. Form the ticket sales and bets that they made from the fight.
Kakashi and naruto is a deadly duo ngl
"He was giving him more combo's then wendy's" god I needed that laugh.
A shisui that got jumped by danzo ain't doing shit to tsunaide...
If you wanna play like that, then a Tsunade who got destroyed by a pre timeskip Kabuto really isn't lasting a second against Shisui
...yes she is lmao.
Bro is absolutely seething over naruto ahahaha
@Isaac.D.grizzly
@@seancollins6572 You see two examples using the same logic but disagree with one. Yeah no😂😂😂
While it doesn't entirely change the outcome of the fight, I feel like the strongest version of hashirama was the one that had all nine-tailed beast in his possession before he gave them out to the other villages
Yeah but that’s only if he had a way to either genjustu then into fighting for him or to sap off their chakras cause they ain’t fighting for no reason especially for the person that just beat their asses
@@lilpiggyuh59 with wood release hashirama can absorb chakra, so he could use them as chakra batteries theoretically lol
Hashirama had 8 out of 9 Tailed Beasts; the Sand Village had Shukaku (The 1 Tail)
anyone else instantly think of hiruzen knowing “every jutsu” think of him just pulling out massive rasengan and slamming someone 😭
Yeah him using clones for a rasengan chidori clash would be wild
does every jutsu include sage mode and 8 gates?
Although Hashirama wasn’t in his peak physical age, I feel like his edo had the slight boost in battle iq since madara lived to be like damn near 100 and had all that time to become more intelligent than either of them when they were in their peaks.still probably not enough to balance out being older, but definitely a big help against that big of a lifetime gap.
It will never get old how madara need to steal a man’s power to finally win
How do you defeat an enemy? Add their entire power set to yourself!
@@yoursonisold8743 theif Madara clown
I love how he looks into the camera and gives me the living feeling of a fathers gaze
Actually edo tensei war arc hokages were not brought back to full power. As stated by Tobirama, at almost fulll power
Yeah and Madara also commented that "There's a reason you two brothers can never achieve your full strength and you your former speed"
With every new video Nick looks like he is morphing into Les Grossman from tropic Thunder
“Shadow hokage/lover” was crazy to sneak in during the intro 😂😂😂
Shisui Uchiha needs his own story to expand more upon his character
If an Uchiha became a Hokage, then the Uchiha Clan would've already won.
The truth is the uchiha can fold all clans and hokages together at the same time. We all know the plots that were created to weaken the uchihas but deep down there we all know they are the best. We all know what 2 uchihas did against the whole world. Why are y even comparing them against hokages.
Madara strongest form can solo all these hokages put together. Did y see how quickly he folded minato during the war? Minato didn’t even notice where his arm went. Hashirama beating madara was a plot that most people don’t believe. We all see who were the strongest when they were revived.
Regarding fugaku I’m 100% sure he beats the 3rd hokage. There’s a reason why the third hokage and danzou didn’t end sasuke, it was because of itachi. But guess what? Itachi cried and sweated when his father put him into his genjutsu. Not only that, on the day that the kyuubi attacked the village, the third hokage couldn’t fight it, but guess who would end that battle pretty fast? It was fugaku and they all knew but they ordered him to stay out of the fight. Are y saying that the third hokage can beat someone that takes on kyuubi that easy? Even minato died trying to stop the kyuubi. Fugaku is extremely underestimated. Even itachi didn’t want to fight him. Fugaku was the mafia boss of the uchihas.
Another wrong take from his part is that minato can win against itachi. Let’s say before edo tensei: Minato has nothing to stop itachis vast range of genjutsu. Kishimito even said he’s weak against genjutsu. Itachi uses tsukuyomi and can defeat him in seconds. Now let’s say after edo tensei: are y really confident minato can beat itachi? Itachi defeated NAGATO, nagato folded Naruto and killer bi. Naruto was said to be stronger than minato in the war. Do y see where I’m going?
What Nick said was Six Paths Madara stomps vote hashirama, and the rest of the uchiha lose. But Izanagi is a thing they can do. Blinding an eye may be wrong in their eyes hehe but if given the choice they would probably do it rather then die to the hokage. So uchiha technically win but it wouldn’t be very interesting
@@tonypaca3015 it still doesn't really matter because Kakashi can 1 hit everyone and so can Naruto
@@harmoen in your dreams. You only know about Byron that’s why you’re saying stuffs like that. For every ability there’s a counter. And Byron counter is IZANAGI. if kakashi can 1 hit everyone then just imagine what obito can do to him with his own eyes
@@tonypaca3015 he literally said in the video that Obito can't use kamui in 10 tails mode
Loved this video. "Oh well this is an easy one for Obito... ITS NOT" so funny 😂
Love how 3 Rinnegan Juubidara was the only Uchiha to win his fight here.
The truth is the uchiha can fold all clans and hokages together at the same time. We all know the plots that were created to weaken the uchihas but deep down there we all know they are the best. We all know what 2 uchihas did against the whole world. Why are y even comparing them against hokages.
Madara strongest form can solo all these hokages put together. Did y see how quickly he folded minato during the war? Minato didn’t even notice where his arm went. Hashirama beating madara was a plot that most people don’t believe. We all see who were the strongest when they were revived.
Regarding fugaku I’m 100% sure he beats the 3rd hokage. There’s a reason why the third hokage and danzou didn’t end sasuke, it was because of itachi. But guess what? Itachi cried and sweated when his father put him into his genjutsu. Not only that, on the day that the kyuubi attacked the village, the third hokage couldn’t fight it, but guess who would end that battle pretty fast? It was fugaku and they all knew but they ordered him to stay out of the fight. Are y saying that the third hokage can beat someone that takes on kyuubi that easy? Even minato died trying to stop the kyuubi. Fugaku is extremely underestimated. Even itachi didn’t want to fight him. Fugaku was the mafia boss of the uchihas.
Another wrong take from his part is that minato can win against itachi. Let’s say before edo tensei: Minato has nothing to stop itachis vast range of genjutsu. Kishimito even said he’s weak against genjutsu. Itachi uses tsukuyomi and can defeat him in seconds. Now let’s say after edo tensei: are y really confident minato can beat itachi? Itachi defeated NAGATO, nagato folded Naruto and killer bi. Naruto was said to be stronger than minato in the war. Do y see where I’m going?
@@tonypaca3015 nah
@@tonypaca3015 You're smoking too much. Stop, it's damaging your brain.
@@tonypaca3015 And tell me who's beating baryon mode Naruto and EMS Kakashi?
@@TheFreakinGOAT 😂😂😂. You’re distracted. have you heard about izanagi? Byron is trash because it’s time limited and last very short, and after that you’re useless. It’s great against otsutsukis but weak against sharingan. Izanagi defeats Byron with easy. Go look when a obito used izanagi against Konan. Why do you mention kakashi? Kakashi hokage didn’t have DMS. Not only that, it’s Obito eyes. You question should be who is going to defeat Obito DMS
I love how nick has become the anti swagkage, “hates the uchiha” according to his fans
Not really he’s just more reasonable and doesn’t simp for characters w no screen time
This guy said forefront for knowledge 😂😂😂
Madara: INFINITE TSUKYOMI
The credits start rolling
He would be dead before that also maddra finna be teared about like a wish bone
@@itjulz7470 doesnt matter, hes IMMORTAL
Wouldn't work on Naruto who still solos him.
@@yoursonisold8743 Sasuke states that if Naruto goes out of his Susanno he will be caught under Madara’s gemjutsu. So Naruto has no counter to it
@@norvgraal9232 Sasuke is full of shit. They were both unaffected because of the Sage of the Ten Paths plot armor.
its even stated here as follows. "Who can break Kotoamatsukami?
Because it clearly overwrites the persons brain you cannot break free of this jutsu. Nobody flooding you with chakra or telling you otherwise will work. This means all people including perfect Jinchurikki such as Naruto and Killer bee are susceptible to this jutsu."
Showcasing how, the only reason they were able to break out of it was because Danzo using koto was weaker then if shisui did. Shisui can only use Koto as stated once every ten years. Danzo used it over and over because he had hashirama's chakra. Shisui using it is way more powerful then him using it.
@@JayJay-xv8ht so someone who doesn’t have Hashirama’s cells can use a jutsu better than someone who does have Hashirama’s cells? Eevn tho the man’s cells literally are able to power other jutsus? And even though technically Danzo had it longer than Shisui? Cause the kid was like 14-15 when he had it. And he didn’t have it long either cause he hadn’t actually used it at any point because he still had the use of both his eyes before Danzo took his one eye.
Kakashi having the sharingan should be able to see anyone under that genjutsu and alert the others, as in seeing their messed up chakra network
Yeah but the tailed beast would just let the know that they are. Even if you wanna say he defeats tsuande now he can’t used it for another 10 years and still loses to the other kage.
@@cleetleeHow? He would also be under the effect of Kotoamatsukami
“Within the confines” is Nick’s catchphrase lol
"I'll make a whole video about it."
He did, man of his word.
Tbh, I agree with almost everything. Well technically, I agree with this too but I just strongly disagree with the difficulty. The match up I’m talking about is tsunade vs Shisui. I’m sorry Shisui fans but tsuande neg diffs him. Shisui doesn’t have a susano and even if he did, tsunade cracked madara’s susano and I think even Shisui fans can agree madara’s susano is miles above shisui’s filler/hypothetical susano. Genjutsu? Nope tsuande is immune to genjutsu aside from infinite tsukiyomi but like hammer said, that’s an outlier for obvious reasons. “But but kotoamtsukami”. I just got done watching part 1 naruto and when naruto and jiraiya come and bring tsunade back after both Kakashi and sasuke get put in tsukiyomi, tsuande just places her hand on their head and they were healed just like that. We all know tsunade can heal herself and is the best medic in the entire show(Sakura surpassed her but it was towards the end of naruto or rather in Boruto). Tsunade can easily just heal herself after theoretically getting hit by kotoamtsukami. Tsuande blitzed stronger and faster people than Shisui so body flicker ain’t doin shit. Sorry for the rant but i sympathize with hammer when he said Shisui is overrated. Dude lost to anbu members when that shit wouldn’t happen to any of the hokage
Edit: I didn’t even bring her summons into discussion 🤣🤣🤣. Yeah it’s not looking good for Shisui
I mean sure but Kotoamastukami does kind of end the fight as soon as it starts if Shisui wants.
Healed Kakashi? How does that prove she is immune to shisui gengetsu!?! This is one of the strongest gengetsu in the series, why are you excluding infinite tsukyomi? It is gengetsu in the end, meaning neither tsunade nor sakura are actually immune to gengetsu, they can still be affected at least by very strong ones, so he uses it on tsunade and Tatsuya and it is done.
Also He can take her head out immediately, with his body flicker, from the beginning, not giving her the chance to do 100 healing and bring tatsuya, can she survive her head cut?!
@@MA-gu2up if it was that easy, why didnt he do that to danzo? Who's way weaker than tsunade btw
@@apologizethatyouwerebornin2616
His eye won't be using his Ultimate gengetsu for a long time
And shisui wanted to use the gengetsu on his clan
Also, I wouldn't be sure that tsunade is more powerful than danzo
Danzo has many eyes and hax of gengetsu
Imagine if Hashirama giveñ his full potential he would use planetary devastation and deep forest emergence to creat miniature worlds this cr4@ting his own dimensions
Hashirama actually informed Madara Uchiha of his one thousand hand ability when they were kids but madara was more focused on challenging him at that time
I wonder what side Sarada would be on 🤔
Probably the hokage since she doesnt know any of the past uchiha and naruto is her idol. Plus she also is like a grandchild to Kakashi
As soon as I saw this I clicked it! Can't wait to watch the whole thing
The kages will absolutely just destroy the uchiha...
“Just a little extra time on the weekends” 😂😂😂 I be thinking the same thing. I’m like he’s literally the only one who can do what he does and he just came up with it from nothing???
The thing is is that the Tobirama and Minato each have one shot kills. I'm aware that the Uchiha have genjutsu but I think that the effectiveness would be weaker in a huge team fight. Their use of shadow clones on the Kage team should put them over the edge. I do think Izanagi might be the key to winning for a win condition since it can reverse the course of the fight
Shisui and Itachi the best duo would probably take the win high diff
@Orochimaru PR against who? Tobirama and Minato stomp Itachi and Sishui. Minato and Tobirama are both much faster than either Sishui or Itachi and have way larger chakra reserves. Both are sensory type ninja as well and could tell exact locations of shinobi miles away simply by putting a finger on the ground. Also like Itachi Minato could weave hand signs with one hand as well. Icould keep going on about why Minato and Tobirama win but it's all really obvious.
@@natekeller24 Shisui and Itachi are more skilled and smarter though, they also have amazing genjutsu and at full power they can be a problem. Minato and tobirama might win but you are crazy to say they stomp lmao
Shisui aint no obito you know, shisui vs minato can go either way
@@orochimarupr dude watch the video. Their genjutsu is just about useless against tobirama and Minato dude backs it with Canon facts. You don't know naruto power scaling at all you Uchiha fan boy.
@@natekeller24 what a clown, izuna and obito are literally fodder compared to shisui and Itachi lmaoo
tobirama nor minato faced the level of shisui and Itachi 💀
You’d think the Uchiha would try creating a Majenko Sharingan by having someone kill a super resilient clone of their friend that made them think they were dead as an experiment to see if they actually had to kill to get it, or if they just needed to think they did so.
With the sharingan abilities out there the uchia had to be crap bro how y'all not whooping tail on the shenju.
Tsunadae could deduct that someone was under genjutsu the whole point of koto amatsu kama is to control someone without them know plus koto is only a level under infinite tsukyomi its a mini single target version so saying that she easily got caught by infinite tsukyomi its safe to assume she wouldn't know
Katsuyu could still break her out of it
"If only he could've had Orochimaru's [arms]" made me laugh so hard
Hiruzen and Tobirama are crazy to scale, Tobirama was the most vocal edo how weak he was in the edo form yet he died at hands of the pseudo kurama jinchurikis while in his prime. Hiruzen as a old dude was able to use 2 shadow clones and reaper death seal 3 times but as an edo he pulled 4 shadow clones to fight zetsu and Tobirama hit his limit at 2 as an edo. Hiruzen may have more chakra than Tobirama which is ridiculous to me. He was the student of Tobirama so if someone knew Hiraishin it would be him.
yet he died at hands of the pseudo kurama
along with a bunch of S class ninja
I mean Hashirama clapped madara his entire life, Naruto clapped sauske, Minato can def take itachi, Tobirama already killed Izuna, Lord 3rd can clap the rest, and medic mommy tsunade can heal everyone lmaoo
Naruto never clapped Sasuke.😂 Sasuke always clapped Naruto
@@muhsinajannat3917 Last battle he clapped his cheeks homie
@@muhsinajannat3917 one's trying to kill and another one holding back still they ended in a draw in final valley and adult Naruto low diffs adult sasuke without baryon (kcm 2 would be enough) mode .... Sasuke just won the 1st final valley again Naruto that's also in high diff .
@@Anyway_woahSasuke won many times. 😂 naruto won once which Sasuke forfeit
I feel like If sasuke actually used every power at his disposal he'd be able to suck someone's soul out or do some wacky stuff with almighty pull into amatarasu
Kirin destroyed itatchis susanoo? I doubt that…. He was literally already blind at that point I’m sure that’s probably the reason the susanoo faded 🤣 and itatchi a tactical genius with a sharigan that can pick up chakra signatures fall to a FTG trap on the ground is blasphemous.
"possibly" doing a lot of work in that Hiruzen fight lmao
every time kakashi ran into tobi he didn’t know what to do with him and tobi was totally unbothered
34:21 Honestly I don't believe it's about shisui being weak Tsunade was insanely powerful like she had most of hashiram's abilities on top of the fact that she's effectively immortal
Immortal doesn't mean invulnerable, immortal means that your still breathing, like a pokemon out of HP, your not dead, just just live to fight another day.
I understand the reasoning but it’s crazy to think that we’ve seen Shisui’s susaano and haven’t seen Fugaku but Fugaku’s is the one who gets to use theirs lmao
If he didn’t get to use it it wouldn’t be interesting he just gets slapped
@@Poooppoop22not necessarily, he was one of the strongest in the village as the choices for 4th hokage were Minato, fugaku, and orocimaru. We just never saw him do anything so we don't his capabilities
Don't forget kishimoto made it clear early on
3rd hokage could use jutsu to its maximus effect whilst using the least amount of Chakra
This ability is (not)
automatic just because a individual has high Chakra or power aka Naruto 🤔 compared to itachi
So no hiruzen does not have infinate Chakra for this reason
Shishuis eyes was always meant to be more valuable /powerful than him
It's pretty clear judging events in the Manga and novels and even anime to a extent
There is so much gray area in this episode that I don't believe 85% of what I am being told.
nick I love you for this , because you know everyone defends shisui and all these characters with sharingans and they always downplay the women in the show!, so even if you are defending her with bias which I don't think is the case because you gave very real and factual reasons as to why should would take the W! im just saying even if it was a little bit of bias , so tf what because the rest of the sexist fandom who literally hate on sakura and tsunade would have and always do the same thing on a daily basis lol so kudos to u for sticking up for us...
I don't think Itachi won't have a complete sussano. When he used his sussano against Sasuke, he was just playing with Sasuke, making him believe he actually is going to take his eyes, not to forget he might not even have enough chakra at that time, and he wanted to save some chakra so he can program the amaterasu in Sasuke's eyes. And even if he doesn't have a complete sussano, he would be able to manifest it while fighting.
Imagine if Sarada became Hokage.
Ok this is a good video but i have a question. If we are giving the uchiha 3 eyes madara shouldn't they win automatically due to the infinite tsukuyomi? Or am i missing something here?
Itache’s biggest weakness is not having a full body susanoo not not having a complete susanoo.
Complete susano and full body susano same thing
Let me get this straight, Jubbitos solos all the Kages in the war arc, Sasuke is pretty much pair or more powerful than Naruto cuz u are giving half Kurama to Minato, and of top of that there is Jubidara and still u r giving the victory to the Hokages??? I want some of what you r smoking. Sasuke alone can end all the Hokages in seconds except Naruto, can Naruto do that vs all the Uchihas??
Bro, naruto in Barron mode solos all the uchiha
I think hashirama and tobirama got giga boosted in the war arc, and when kishimoto wrote the hiruzen vs orochimaru fight: hashirama and tobirama were scaled appropriately.
True but he had to boost hashirama to be equal to Madara
@@wesleyowens4089 yeah if madara was a pushover the ending would have been lame.
I love how he just stats that hqsriama and madara were gay for each other in a factual way without a second thought
How Hashirama knew how to develop a 1000 armed wood style god to counter a susano clad nine-tails is easier to explain than how any eight gates user could develop, or train to use, any Death Gate taijutsu moves without dying during training.
It’s my head canon that Hagoromo dropped by Minato in heaven like a day later because he forgot to restore his arms at the big meeting.
So after watching this video something just hit me. The reason why orochimaru's version of the jutsu is weaker than Kabuto is because orochimaru not only forces his puppets but he also uses physical bodies. This in turn means that the the soul orochimaru places into a host can only do as much as the original body can. This also applies to the amount of chakra the body can hold
I think Shisui loses that fight because Tsunade can absolutely box a susanoo and genjutsu doesn't work well in these group settings against such massive opponents, but I do think you still under represented Shisui. It felt like he was downplayed because of his losing fights but I don't think it was fair, you made a video yourself about the Anbu getting a bad showing because of plot devices but on paper the captains are absolutely pushing low kage level, also Danzo is ridiculously powerful, it makes sense for him to be able to press high kage level opponents with prep time. I think statements about Shusui are clear, that he was strongest Uchiha at the time and possibly the greatest ever at using genjutsu, but his death was demanded by the plot so he died. The Uchiha are simply genuinely overhyped as a whole, they're elite but the named Uchiha that we get are still outliers, and they still lose fights in spite of mangekyou abilities, so it's totally fair to say Shusui is about as strong as his hype, while not forgetting the verse is full on non-Uchihas that can win fights against the best of them.
agreed I think tsnaude who'd still win but I thinks shishwy would have a Sossanu there one way a gunnies like shiswy had a mongeyo for that long and never got one like look at sausage
@@Thisweebexcuse me?
Naruto takes sasuke, Hashirama takes Madara and Itachi will take care of the rest of the uchiha.
I don't know if it matters on TH-cam. But I always go back and watch these old videos.
What about Hikaku and Kagami Uchihas? Known as 2 of the strongest Uchihas ever? I know Hikaku is shown on like one random manga panel or light novel or something, but he was known within the clan as the strongest person to ever come out of the clan.
The fact that you can’t remember where you saw these people and that they might have only been shown in a single panel is why they aren’t there we know literally nothing but people calling them the strongest of course they aren’t on the list of uchiha
@@freddylisy10 on one hand, that makes sense, but I believe replacing Shisui with either of those 2 would be fairly reasonable. Hikaku was stated to be stronger than Madara before EMS who lived alongside him and Kagami was stated to be stronger than Shisui.
As for where I've seen them - there's a video from DynoKnight about Hikaku, that's where I've got the info. Go watch it, it's actually pretty rad of a story.
I did think of this myself but if we are talking about the "absolute" strongest version of Sasuke, he should win because relatively speaking the only times him and Naruto are ever rivals are when he literally just got something new, keep in mind the end of the war was at least less than a day, so within that amount of time he got his Rinnegan with tomoe and Naruto got a boosted version of a form with a stronger sage buff and other tailed beasts' chakra on top, things he's had access to for a far longer time so you give Sasuke over 10 years of training to the point he should be capable of using all 6 paths abilities of the Rinnegan, and Amenotejikara on top of that? Naruto is only winning if he uses Baryon mode, they literally have to nerf Sasuke with a chakra deficiency in Boruto because him being able to use all the Rinnegan abilities and having extra chakra (as just having the eyes gives more, and Sasuke's is at least stronger than a pair of them) then I see no reason why he would lose unless he's put against someone who's going to entirely outscale him in power and have his chakra depleted, because y'know..he can absorb Ninjutsu? So he'll have to lose in a fight of Taijutsu from Naruto in Baryon mode.
Why does no one ever mention Tsukyomi into account when speaking of Itachi vs Minato? Minato has never seen Itachi's Tsukyomi, so he wouldn't know what it does. Itachi killed his lover in less than a second by having her mind live out their full lives in the blink of an eye, shutting her body down. Kurama wouldn't have enough time to break the genjutsu. Not only that, but Kurama is capable of being placed under gejutsu himself. I feel like Itachi gets downplayed in that fight.
As much as I love Itachi, if we're talking strongest form, Minato would have sage mode. Additionally, he is very much aware of the Uchiha's Ocular Jutsu (not even including Tsukiyomi) and would keep his eyes closed. With sage mode no eyeside is absolutely no problem.
@@TheTaleOfSunAndMoon He didn't close his eyes at all against Obito as "the masked man." Also, Kakashi has the knowledge as well. Kakashi was in a unit in anbu with Itach. He still got caught by it. Minato didn't know the capabilities of Itachi and wouldn't expect Tsukyomi. Also, keep jn mind Kakashi got caught as soon as Itachi activated his mangekyo. He didn't have to activate it and charge it up to use it. If he didn't have it active when first encountering Minato and then did it the same way he did Kakashi, why wouldn't Minato get caught? Minato doesn't open his fights with Sage mode anyway. He didn't even use it against Obito. Didn't use it against Kurama either. Why would he already be in it? Same goes for KCM mode. He didn't open with it. Kurama would have to actively break him out of genjutsu, also. In 1 second, Tsukyomi could kill him.
@@DramelleW I think it depends on the how the battle begins. This is of course a made up situation. The questions are: Do they know who they're up against? How will they face each other? Arena like where they both face each other? Or will one kinda like be able to spy on the other first?
If Minato knew he would go up against an Uchiha he would 100% use sage mode and shut his eyes. Kakashi was surprised attacked more or less, also he has no sage mode and is reliant on his eyesight. As for Obito, for one he didn't know it was an Uchiha, secondly he simply didn't need to use sage mode because he was way faster, and third it's the author's fault. Kishimoto wanted to just amp Minato to the Max in the end of Naruto, so he made him overpowered with everything he could.
This fight just so many factors to consider, honestly there is no definitive answer
@@TheTaleOfSunAndMoon I could 100% support that answer, that a winner couldn't be predicted. My issue is just when people get nerfed or the fights plot gets skewed towards one individual. In their case, Itachi wholly knows who Minato is and what he can do. Minato has no idea what adult Itachi can do. Minato is VERY capable, as is Itachi. Two of my favorite characters. I just want it to be fair.