I'd like to think that Garnet saw both the possibility of Peridot betraying them and Peridot joining them as equally possible, at least at first. She decides to spend time with Peridot in hopes that she can help make the latter possibility a reality and then later on she leaves the message for Steven because she bonded with Peridot and started to put a bit more faith in her joining them.
The first time I saw the episode, I didn't even think she used future vision. I kinda thought it was her mom instinct :v Does this option seem possible?
+Tuxedo Dorito wtf garnet isn't a mom and doesn't have mom instincts also mom instincts only make you protect your child (if you have one)(edit)why does your comment have so many likes?
Brian Cressy the crystal gem see Steven as a son. I think most (maybe all) women naturally have a mom instinct (and it's not only about your natural child). And, if it isn't mom instinct, come on, you still know what I mean... Garnet knows Steven well, so she probably guessed he would have listened to Peridot's logs And probably my comment has "so many likes" because people agree with me ;^)
Perhaps she chose not to look into Peridot's future, but looked more deeply into Steven's instead. She would get an idea that Peridot was going to do something, but wouldn't necessarily get to see what or how per se. Not particularly practical, but Steven is of vastly more emotional consequence to Garnet than Peridot is. Maybe all she did was a quick check to make sure Steven would not be in danger of Peridot and just let the rest be.
+Your Wayward Destiny Or that Garnet doesn't actually know all the ins and outs of her future vision; which is why she keeps making mistakes and might experience a different outcome out of two (while thinking she is working towards one). Bc Garnets idea of future vision seems so unlike what sapphire seemed to think in The answer (even if it was brief); sapphire then only seemed to see one possible outcome, which was the destruction of her current physical form and the capturing of the crystal gems. She didn't mention any others, and you would think that a loyal subject would give her all the information about such a big thing. But maybe the sapphire future vision (if there are any more sapphires) of homeworld gems can only see one path, or unable to see time as non-linear (they can only see the streams leading into big lakes, ignoring the smaller creaks). And it wasn't until something changed her timeline that she could see all the ins and outs of it all, bc she was no longer going down the same path as before.
+Pelle McKruth The way future vision has been shown to work, is needing to actually LOOK for each branch. So if a wildcard like ruby, or jasper's gem poofing weapon, aren't accounted for, future vision won't catch the possibility. Both Garnet and Sapphire know to look across a wider range of possibilities after ruby ignored the "fated" outcome of that battle. However, Sapphire only just learned that when they began staying fused, and ruby didn't even get future vision, so Garnet, while looking further than sapphire once did, still isn't sure what a wildcard could be, and can be surprised by them when she doesn't look right at what they're capable of. So, I sort of agree. The original programming that creates future vision doesn't really give them the idea that tiny branching paths that seem to hold no significance, or creeks, can lead to big things. So they ONLY look for streams, rivers, waterfalls, and lakes. The big things. They don't look for the tiny details that can change the whole landscape. And, I figure, if there's more than one future vision gem, they don't get the chance to see the big shifts from tiny things because things go according to plan 99.9% of the time.
+varnisa But in jail break Ruby got the ability to see in a range that's how Ruby found sapphire and even sapphire's future vision is flawed shown in the keystone episode.
Garnet just took another gamble on the future. Remember the episode where she tells steven of her powers and he ends up on the roof. She took a gamble that telling steven of her powers might have brought have him closer to her and instead it made him afraid of everything. Which was a potential future and garnet was wrong. I think this scene was heavily foreshadowing her visions of peridots betrayal or alliance. The moment peridot contacted yellow diamond, garnet was more passive and not as angry as we've seen her to be. She only cared about protecting steven. What's even weirder is pearl and amethyst aren't that upset at peridot either. We've seen how they are when they hunt down peridot in previous episodes but in message recieved it seems as if they're "pretending" to be upset as to not tip off steven about what they know. We know that the crystal gems can be secretive. The reason for their secrecy is because they know peridots alliance is only a *potential* outcome. They didn't want to get stevens hopes up. And when she calls YD a clod, they know she is on the path of a crystal gem whether she likes it or not!
Well she had to have tried to, because she predicted Steven would listen through the logs, he would do it out of a place of caring, and Peridot would want to the tape recorder back after he was done. So she knew that last bit about Peridot's state of mind at the least, even if she didn't know about anything that led up to it, which is what the 3rd hypothesis was.
I think you might be missing something here, though. I think the first hypothesis is the correct for the reason that Steven _still_ needed to learn that lesson. It's been talked about on the internet (reddit and ifunny, in my case) that one of the things people wish is that Steven really could win the entire gem race over with love and understanding, but the fact of the matter is, despite all the fantasy in the show, it's very realistic when it comes to how people react and the emotions they feel, and in that fact, the possibility of Steven being able to non-violently win over all of Gemkind is 0%. He needs to know that there will be times that Love, and Kindness won't work. But Garnet loves Steven, and she doesn't want him to become dark, brooding, and untrusting. She wants him to continue to be the loving, goofy, and kind Steven he is. So she used Peridot to teach him that yes, "Some people don't deserve the kindness and patience that you want to give them, but that doesn't mean you should never believe in people. You've got to learn when to give someone another chance, and when to tell them 'That's it, I'm done.'"
+ShaggyRedHead I said basically the same thing, just with less specific intent on the front of Garnet using Peridot as an object lesson, since then being able to win her over kind of cheapens the lesson, so I saw it more as a warning to remember for some of the more aggressive gems.
Jacob McDonald Steven Universe True Ending! if only that could happen! but maybe a Neutral ending is all we'll get cause of how realistic the show is about how people are. i still wanna believe that everything can be solved peacefully. you were thinking pretty much what i was thinking. i love your reference ;)
I really like the second and third options too. I loved seeing Garnet and Peridot bonding in Log Date 7 15 2, and I hope at some point they do actually fuse, mostly because I'm excited to see how the character design will end up. Since Sapphire's future vision predicted the end result in Keystone Motel but not the path it took to get there, I think that both the second and third options are much more likely than the first. My favorite is definitely the second, because I love seeing cool, stoic characters show more emotion.
+HazardousCassi Heh, for me it just really seems that Sapphire really didn't look into seeing the path that future would take, or she just didn't think of looking for that path, for whatever reasons including that there would need to be a path to lead to that future.
Garnet didnt tell them about the future of peridot because as soon as she relays the inforation about that future, that future is suddenly deeme impossible, as then they have knowledge of that future and would very likely do things out of order and lead down a different future path, when garnet wants a future to happen, she will do everything she can to make sure it will happen that way
There's something that doesn't jive with the third option. Throughout the conversation, Garnet was the one who was the most held back, the most calm of the four gems. I think there's a fourth option. She wanted to set an example for Steven and the Crystal Gems, that not everything will go as you'd want to, that not everything will be as easy. Sometimes, trusts have to be broken, hearts have to be betrayed, clods have to be named. Without this conflict, what would happen the next time they'd find a hostile gem? Peridot already set a baseline, that not all gems are as easily ready to join them in their efforts. Garnet already had calculated that in, but she also had calculated in Peridot's change of heart. Whatever the outcome, it would most likely always end up the same. Sure, she doesn't know how it would transpire, because before that episode, she didn't know Peridot would have a diamond communicator. Remember back when Steven came home with the mirror, and Garnet found out there was a gem living in there, still sentient. Now compare it to her reaction to finding out that Peridot had this diamond communicator. She was a lot less agressive. This entire thing, she knew it was a gamble, but if she didn't allow the Crystal Gems to at least fight back, what would happen when such thing would happen again? And imagine this. Peridot contacted Yellow Clod knowing that the Crystal Gems wanted Peridot dead, yet she remained silent about the presence of the Crystal Gems, showing that, despite having betrayed them, she would not rat them out. If there wasn't any turmoil, would they ever see Peridot's true nature? Wouldn't it be equally possible if Peridot would just remain silent about the Crystal Gems just to keep them happy? It was at this moment you could see her true allegiance, her true loyalty. At that point, she was a Crystal Gem. She wasn't pressured into protecting the Earth, no, this time, it was on her own terms, it was her own choice. I mean, for all she knew she had nothing to win at that point, but she still chose for Earth. And that's option number four.
Not related to this, but I have a theory about Lion. What if Rose somehow created him because Steven may not have been able to have a pocket dimension like Pearl or the other gems? So Rose could leave Steven items he would need as he learned to control his gem. This is my theory at least...
I always thought that steven summoned him subconsciously, and since he and rose would in theory share the same pocket her stuff would naturally be there.
When trying to figure it out, myself, I landed on option 2, and I still absolutely prefer it. Not only does it work to Garnet's character, but it also enhances it. She really hoped Peridot would make the right decision, and trusted her, just as Steven did. I don't mind the third option, but I much prefer the second.
When you said about Garnet sharing the future She can't share the future like we arn't supossed to know the future but Garnet helps them with out telling them
+Junetval Garnet can share the future all she wants. She did it in the very first episode we learned about future vision (the episode was called "Future Vision"). Hell, she can even give her future vision power to others temporarily - we had an entire episode about that too - that's another league above merely sharing the predictions she sees.
Uncivilized Elk She can share the future but she chooses not to because that would be wrong to give it way all the time she only tells or gives the power temporarily when its ok
And it's "ok" anytime she feels like it. Ergo, she can share the information whenever she feels like it. Which is in direct opposition to your statement of "she can't share the future." She can, she has, and undoubtedly will do so again. Hark back to Rose: "[Worried about the future?] Just ask Garnet!"
I think it's a misdirection really, was just a piece of all round advice you would give to a person with too much patience. Patience is good but it's both a facet and a flaw. It was said to make the viewer thing Peridot's betrayal was very likely and not in good faith, but it's just Garnet like the leader she is giving advice to an underling.
Even when someone has the power to look into the future. The thing is, the future is never set in stone. It can always be changed; in this case, Peri WOULD'VE betrayed Steven and the Gems (albeit not intentionally.) But instead; Peri saw the flaws in her "glorious leader, Yellow Diamond's mindset and she ended up "betraying" HER as a result. I say not intentionally because many have pointed out that in Message Received, Peri didn't betray anyone. What Peri intended to do was convince Yellow Diamond that Earth is worthy of being spared. But when her plan failed, Peri saw how flawed her leader was and ultimately defied her. What follows is her diary logs AFTER defying Yellow Diamond. To make a long story short, one can never tell what the future holds; not even Garnet
+sadlobster1 Yeah future vision only works 100% almost if the subject is a person with a one track mind like most homeworld gems, but once they break away from status and learn of emotions they become spontaneous, like Peri and Ruby defecting
Just like "the answer" when sapphire predicted about herself being "destroyed" by the rebels, ruby saved her instead. And she didnt see it in her future vision
I have an idea. What if she wasn't talking about Peridot? Maybe she saw the conversation with Yellow diamond, and all the outcomes were the same, Yellow Diamond just wanting the Earth destroyed. In this case Yellow Diamond could be the one to not have patients with.
What you're saying reminds me if what happened in the pilot with Garnet calling Steven a butthead. It's really vague and strange at first (not to mention random), but it ends up making complete sense later on
I have a 4th hypothesis It's not stated exactly how, if at all, Sapphires future vision differs from Garnets, but assuming they are the same, Sapphire being so confident about how things would have turned out in the story of how Garnet met suggests that all potential futures ended the same way, yet Ruby managed to change it Perhaps future vision simply cannot see heat of the moment, impulsive decisions Think about it, even if Peridot was calling to request to destroy the cluster, she still considered herself loyal to Yellow Diamond, and she had to practically force herself to even ask the question, and she clearly wasn't thinking when she called her a clod Perhaps all potential futures that Garnet saw where Peridot made the call ended with her betraying them, because Peridot doing what she did literally couldn't be predicted
Remember that what Sapphire said in Key Motel "I keep looking into the future where all of this has been solved. Like how you feel in the present doesn't even matter." Sapphire has said before she doesn't look in the now only yet to come. That being said she saw the destination and not the journey. Or using the one where she give Steven futurevision about the blizzard. Using Garnets words how it splits into rivers then pools at lakes and cascade down waterfall. She is tooling about choices affect things and how it could lead to a pool( something she can't see because she isn't there eg bad ending) or cascade down waterfall (the chase then back to normal).
The visions seemed based on her choices or the one she bestows futurevision too (Steven that one time). If she acted like she knew it would probably not have he desired outcome. Peridot would never be trusted by the gems she would never have the chance to grow because they treat her like a prisoner. If she intervened to fast peridot wouldn't have grown as a person. But do nothing she got her good ending.
Think of how hurt Garnet must've been seeing that there's a possibility that Peridot would join the crystal gems and help fight for Rose, and so Garnet put all that time and effort trying to make that ending be the one that comes true. It's not just that she hopes that this is a possibility, and she's trying to convince herself Peridot can change like Pearl and Amethyst are, but she actually KNOWS, she can SEE that Peridot can change! But then, Peridot still starts insulting Rose's efforts and saying how beautiful Earth would've been, and Garnet sees that one possible future shatter in front of her. That must've been so painful, because she really believed in that other future, she believed Peridot would take the right path, but Peridot ended up siding with homeworld again.
I think that there is also a possibility that Garnet sees something in the future that happens to Steven. I think she would have made that comment to instil it into Steven's mind for the future, potentially for an upcoming episode. I do not think Garnet would have said that to Steven without having some sort of reason behind it. I am unsure if it will eventually relate to Peridot but, at this point in time, it does not seem this way to me. The way I see it is; there is an upcoming conflict that Steven is being partner and then realizes that it isn't worth his time to be.
Garnets future vision is a bit of an illusion, and I'll explain why . When she was sapphire, her future vision was never wrong, and this is because most people or gems in this case, sort of flow down a very predictable path, not acting on wild impulses, even in moments of shock, terror or death, most people have a way of responding to something and you could say, her 'ability' is sort of like extra processing power for this predictive ability, which we ALL actually have, but its often too much data for us to really use. But not for her. . Now, she was wrong about the prediction that ruby would be destroyed just before she was destroyed during the rebel attack, and this was because, ruby, being somewhat chaotic and emotional inside, is actually the polar opposite of saphire, who's personality and type are actually calm and flowing very LOGICALLY. It would only be fitting that the polar opposite of absolute logic is absolute chaos, which is random enough that an impulse has the power to change any predictable future . Even if that last paragraph was kind of hard to read, take it like this; in the shows history, it has been said that she can see the future, but steven, or us, have the power to change it. Thats because going against what you normally would do in a situation is as easy as it gets to render her future vision useless. Letting yourself be controlled by emotions, fear and anger specifically, is predictable, but actions of love are not because love is so impulsive. In situations of love, the chance to change the future is exponentially GREATER, so great in fact that theres probably only a 1-10% chance that it wouldn't be totally changed. I'm making up numbers here. . Knowing this, reconsider just how powerful her future vision is... imagine if YOU had it. But imagine that despite that vision, things can change anyway from all predictable paths if a moment of impulse comes along. In this sense, future vision is sort of a guide, or suggestion.. but its not a guarantee. So she can sort of follow a patha nd try to steer it, using more knowledge and showing more promise than anyone else, but its still not a 100% chance its going to happen that way. Because of this, she has an idea where things will go, and most times they do, but she also knows it might change at any time. So her real ability is adapting to things when it changes and making choices 'just in case'. . Some last thoughts as well is that she's also two people as one and sometimes when she's emotional about something, her future vision is impeded greatly, maybe even totally gone, whilst when she is calm and peaceful, its more powerful. The emotional roller coaster ride that came with peridot could have caused enough waves that her vision was mostly blurry. The clearest things to see, most probable, and the fuzziest, not even clear enough to make out.
No no no wrong it isnt that deep n has nothing to do witt nothing--- garnets future powers were shown and detailed in to episodes tha FOCUSED on her power
Do my homework for me please :0 hehe I love your rendition on that, but what you have proved at least my take on that is reason number 2 which already is the most probable, but you my friend have proved it no matter what the crewniverse says
+Micheal Livingston That's actually literally what the episode future vison shows us. Garnet can see all probable futures, but only if she thinks about how the situation will be that she can learn more about the futures as she stated in Cry for help "She's evaded my future vison." She never knew it would be Pearl because she was thinking about what Peridot would do and were she is now. Garnet can focus her vison if she thinks what will happen which makes sense with Sapphire who of course could predict everything right because she is asked about what will happen and her sight can see it. Theres actually a difference in Garnets and Sapphires future vison that or Garnet has more control than Sapphire does over it. theory is that so far Sapphy can see a single future or be able to predict what will happen (She saw the rebels losing and her poofing, Steven's actions and emotions in Keystone motel, She saw that Garnet will forgive Pearl and Ruby will come back to sapphire.) What Sapphy doesn't do is think about what else may happen while Garnet thinks of everything that could happen. All of this is seen in the show and all episodes on future vision or includes it supports the comments theory (The top one.) Have an amazing week!
It changed because sapphire said "Thank you ruby, u did your best." As garnet said ruby already know whats happening. so ruby jumped at sapphire. But when sapphire was using her future vision, she didnt said "Thank you ruby, u did your best." Since she doesnt know yet what would happen. And because sapphire never said dat, ruby didnt fused and saved sapphire.
I like that you made this video. Garnet's ability to see possible futures is something that is, I think, often overlooked within the context of the story, to a point that it seems like even SHE forgets she has it, so that the main characters (and by extension, the audience) can be surprised. For example, once Peridot, Lapis, and Jasper were on their way to Earth, wouldn't Garnet have been able to look ahead and see, more or less, what they were about to deal with (specifically, a technician, a non-combatant semi-friend, and a single warrior wielding gem-destabilizing weapons)? I mean, once the giant hand got close enough to Earth that its successful arrival was almost guaranteed, she ought to have been able to perceive the Crystal Gems fighting their impending foes, right? As for the three theories you presented, I agree that #1 is too far out-of-character for her, as well as there being too little reason for her to withhold such information from her friends. I feel that theory #2 would be the most probable. The way I think I understand her power to work, the farther out she "looks", the more the timeline branches out, meaning that it gets harder to be sure of what events might be more "fixed" than others. Thus, her trying to help a positive timeline come about by making the log entry was a result of her seeing several "good" futures wherein Steven listens to it.
in the answer we saw that sapphire predict was nearly always happen and then after ruby save her from being poof she saw that she herself could interfere to what she predict to encourage or prevent the outcome so i believe that she have already saw a lot of outcome and most of them was end up peridot report the crystal gem to yellow diamond since garner or all the member of the crystal gem need peridot to reveal where the cluster take place garnet know that they must have peridot so she tried to lead peridot to the "good" outcome future vision is a very strong power but it have too many outcome and not balance non of the outcome is 100% happen so all she can do is try to lead people to the outcome give them warning and hope that they won't mess everything up :v
+Hung Kieu i mean at the time she attempt to fuse with peridot and outcome that peridot would betray the CG was low so she believe that the event of log date 7 15 2 would happen so she tried to talk to steven though the tape recorder ( if it end up outside the event of log date 7 15 2 then it just gonna leave there not affect much anyway ) and when she said about "not everyone deserved...." the outcome that peridot would betray the CG was high i mean the future line always chance new branch appear when old branch disappear
Oh ok! Cool video too! I agree with ur theory, the third one that is, she doesn't use future vision that often, she uses it for very important stuff (like keeping Steven safe, or finding Peri when she was escaping), she usually kinda let's things happen u know... She's chill about time XD
The hole in #2&3 is that we actually have a better understanding of future vision. It is like a simulation where you play the whole thing out from where you are now to the point of death or least desirable outcome and then back to the point where you can change the outcome. This info comes from Winter Forcast where steven learns he can't wait to take Sadie home because the blizzard will cause injury or death if he waited. Theory one- She saw Peridot become a crystal gem but knew it wouldn't last and therefore gave Steven the hard truth that is in fact true but left the message because for now they were friends. The reason why Peridot will betray them is because she said, "there are things on this planet worth protecting" and when she said things she could have meant resources. Once the cluster is gone the other diamonds may thank her by giving her a position for building the colony for stopping yellow diamond from finishing her weapon, after all who else was the weapon for. Theory two- Garnet had 5,750 years to reexamine her new timeline. Instead of doing what sapphire did and lay out her entire life she only looks at the events she deems important. This goes with your third theory and assuming the hole I see is false this will further support your theory. When Garnet came apart at the motel, Sapphire said, "I'm always looking into the future, no wonder you think I don't care." Garnet could have stopped any unnecessary future telling from that point on and will miss anything she thinks isn't important. This is to enjoy what is happening instead of reliving it and because it is no longer useful to know what will happen 1000 years from now since Rubie was able to change destiny. It isn't too far fetched since Garnet doesn't spoil what is going to happen every five seconds like Sapphire did when Steven didn't like the square pizza. Therefore she was just as far in the dark as the others for that specific event. Theory three- Garnet has a master plan but withholds the info because it either helps with the outcome or shows the team she isn't emotionless like Sapphire appears at first glance. Basically your first theory.
+george h Except the snowstorm was going to come no matter what, so if they left late enough the van getting stuck would occur no matter what. Steven got the most simplified type future route to examine because undoubtedly he would get lost and start losing his sanity if he was given a complex one to trace for his first experience with future vision. Hence why Garnet allowed him to see such a route to begin with instead of merely explaining to him why he should leave on time, because the route was simple and wouldn't lead to harm or massive confusion for Steven. If Steven was to use the power again, events or conversations may have had slight variation but that snowstorm was coming no matter what - so the snowstorm was fixed as of when Garnet granted Steven her power. For other less fixed events, there can be multiple potential ways for them to unfold, and multiple branching paths along the way from those initial paths. Merely for an event 5 seconds in the future (what happens if Steven approaches Lars in the episode "Future Vision"), Garnet saw 3 different probabilities (and actually, those were just the ones worth mentioning, either Steven gets high-fived or gets burned, who knows how many more mundane probabilities there could have been she didn't mention). Now again, this was for 5 seconds into the future. So tracing the future forward days or months would undoubtedly create a myriad of branching pathways if there is uncertainty in regards to what is being examined - it's nowhere as simple as: "go to end result." Not to mention, future vision has nothing to do with an unfavorable result or death, Steven was merely traveling forward through events when using it down one particular path (it was his first time utilizing it after all and he wasn't even aware he was doing it if I remember correctly). When Garnet uses it, she can travel to whichever specific events or whichever specific route she is interested about and has the context for (as she says, "I steer the ship").
+Uncivilized Elk First I'd like to say oops I said Saide instead of Conny for some reason. lol snowstorm was fixed making it simple Infinite possibilities whether it is five seconds or five years meaning it is never simple. No one can process an infinite amount of data which means Garnet has a simplified version to some degree so how simplified is future vision for both characters is the question. Plus there is no guarantee that Steven got the simpler version or that other gems such as Steven can't process it with his brain/gem... come to think of it, does he use his gem or his brain to think? That sounds baffling since both process information. Either both or he commands his gem with his brain with a backup in his gem or something. I'm pretty sure what we saw is the most likely process of future vision Steven Universe was sorta like a tutorial at first in my opinion on how to be a crystal gem, so it isn't too surprising that this could be the creators telling us that this is exactly how future vision looks like. "I steer the ship" applies to what Steven saw as well. He steered himself to the best outcome. Steven saw about four different possibilities and could of done more if he wanted to keep looking for a way to keep Conny for the maximum amount of time but had to keep it under 11 minutes. Complex visions could just take longer but still taking less time than it takes to kiss someone, extremely complex ones requiring you to sit on a bed for long periods of time like Sapphire. It doesn't have to be an entirely different process and could very well go to the end result. Not to mention gems don't die and travel across space so what is five years alone with your thoughts trying to get the best outcome got to them. Steven would probs go mad though. However, it would definitely be helpful to go to any specific event and I agree she can since that helps explain why she didn't see Purl rebuilding the tower the other two times. Not realizing the vision is fake could be beneficial for Garnet too. Imagine being in an imaginary fight vs a real one. You wouldn't be able to compare the two because you may just freeze when things get real. Not sure what you mean by "nothing to do with an unfavorable result or death" because if you are in a ship you'd want to avoid that. But really I think we put more though into this stuff than the creators sometimes and can't help but think if they even thought about the things we ask or have thought about. I think it may just be as simple as Winter Forecast being our lesson as to what future vision is like and Garnet's is the same but longer.
+Uncivilized Elk rewatched the episode. She said no one can predict the future and that she sees options so it seems like you're theories fit best. I had trouble understanding why you were talking about the storm being fixed until then. I think your second theory is the most likely.
+Uncivilized Elk hey can you try what is the attitude of garnet if she has no Future vision i like your smartness your very good i know that what you said is tr👍🏻ue
what made you think that thia episode took place before "It could have been great" and "Message Recieved" doesn't Peridot give Steven the recorder because she was still trying to cope with betraying YD in the previous episode?
+AbdefFable1 The *flashbacks* shown in LG (which include Garnet leaving her recording) took place before ICBG and MR - I never said the entire episode takes place before (it doesn't, clearly the non-flashback components are shortly after the events of MR).
Modification of theory 3: Garnet just checked the likelihood of Steven checking the tape recorder, at some point, for some reason, instead of looking at all the different scenarios this checking of the tape recorder could take place in.
+HASHARAHHA14 But she even tells Steven, "There's no time for feeling horrible! We have to catch Peridot before she contacts YD!" That's just so friggin' shady if she's faking it all! Think about this way too: if as soon as Peridot escapes Garnet just tells everybody "Let her make the call" and the CGs catch up to Peridot but tell her to go ahead and use the communicator, do you think Peridot's conversation with YD would have ended different? She would still say The Cluster should be deactivated because of the Earth's potential - that was her primary reason for calling YD in the first place, and YD would still shut her down. So why would Garnet be faking that they all have to catch Peridot - if anything them turning against her might push her back toward HW's side more, no?
+Uncivilized Elk Perhaps She couldn't interfere and ALSO had to do and say certain things for these events to occur exactly as they did. There are still other possibilities of what could have taken place(Peridot punking out because a lack of positive peer pressure from the CG's behind her, Garnet being able to stop Peridot by knowing that she'd flee from the mecha, etc.) other than what we saw in the episode. She may not have wanted to be "fake", but it might have been necessary. She may not have been able to tell the CG's because it might have rendered the possibility of the positive peer pressure existing to be nullified. So, she more than likely knew what would happen but couldn't act on it the way she would naturally. This would explain why she acted even less effected by it than she would have if it caught her off guard.
+Uncivilized Elk Well if you look closely it looks like Garnet was punching useless areas, however looking at it the other way Garnet did say she would stop doing major risks, and contacting Yellow Diamond is pretty major.
#2 would also explain why Garnet and the other gems just sat by and watched while Steven wrestled Peridot for the communication-gem. They already knew how the conversation would play-out, but if they would have just let Peridot make the call without opposing her, then she would just have become embittered with everyone after Yellow Diamond's rejection and end-up also rejecting the crystal gems. So they left Steven in the dark about the outcome so-as to make the struggle more genuine. It also wouldn't be the first time Garnet intentionally left-out information, lying by omission, for Steven's sake (see the episode where he almost gets struck by lightning after climbing a rooftop in a fit of pre-teen angst after learning about the full scope of Garnet's abilities)
+Skintel N.Keychain I thought afterwards that Ruby had lowkey timeline manipulation, and since she directly intervened, it made it so that she got thrown off her timeline. Garnet has future vision, but not the same future vision as Sapphire, because Ruby's passive manipulation lets her see a multitude of paths. (Potentially, Sapphire could only see one, even if there were a lot. Ruby fixed this. Or made it worse? Garnet makes mistakes.)
+Anafyral Weyferling Fighting Pearl was what Ruby was *supposed* to do, so it doesn't make much sense that Sapphire would overlook it--she just predicted that Ruby would lose. I think the point where Sapphire's prediction failed was that she told Ruby "You did the best you could," which wasn't part of her original prediction. It didn't occur to her that that simple polite line would change things, but when Ruby realized her destruction was prophesied she reacted, and *that* was what Sapphire didn't predict.
I like the second possibility, not just because of the mirroring of steven and garnet's feelings at that point, or because garnet doesn't seem like the kind of gem to manipulate her entire team to that extent, but from a purely mechanical viewpoint of her futurevision. I'm not sure if she has to actively use it or if it's a passive ability, but she seems to use it frequently enough that most if not all her decisions and actions are aided by it. Even her decision to tell steven about the ability was a risk based on a possible good future. The Episode "the answer" at the beginning of the steven bomb, which reiterated that even sapphire's future vision wasn't 100% was probably partially in the same bomb as the peridot episodes to remind us that her vision isn't perfect. Even without that reminder, the situation with peridot seemed like something that could have many different outcomes and if there's too much variation that it could lead into it'd be hard to tell which future is most likely.
What if we're looking at Future Vision all wrong, here? What if it's not even a power, but just insanely quick and powerful thought processing? I mean, anyone could seriously think about something that could happen and what the consequences and reactions would be from said event. The problem with actually doing that, though, is it would take a long time to think about it and to keep track of every single detail. I think "future vision" is the ability to do all of this at incredible speeds and still keep track of everything. This could also explain how Sapphire's confidence in her abilities failed her. It failed because she was not aware of all of the variables from the starting point: The one variable she did not know of was the Ruby that became our Ruby. She simply assumed they were all just like any other Ruby and used that as information for future vision. This is only one example, but I think it's strong evidence to support this. Okay, so, why does this matter? This distinction basically means that what she "sees" (More like hypothesizes) with future vision is a deterministic seed. Without the right variables put into place, what she sees can be vastly different from another attempt even going down the same-exact path multiple times. This could give some validity to the first conclusion, as all paths at the time of using future vision could have lead to Peridot joining them but she wanted to be extra safe and sure of it before telling the other gems because she understands Peridot is a wildcard. However I think with this in mind, there's also some validity in saying that she didn't even know Peridot would contact Yellow Diamond at all because she didn't know Peridot had that communicator. This could also explain the behavior in recording the message and attempting to fuse with Peridot. Perhaps with these pieces in play, she could get a different result with future vision. A more satisfying result, because it's possible that there were some bad futures seen were Peridot betrays them.
+Templarfreak Here's a bit more thought on it. You remember when Garnet "lent" her future vision power to Steven? I think that basically this is how it works: She takes some kind of specific information (The seed) and uses it and the information she's gathered to simulate the entire universe in her mind. During this, she can make different choices, or infulence others to make different choices, that will affect the outcome of her simulated universe. But with even just one new bit of information, the result can be exponentially different from before even using the same "seed" and the exact same choices. And this is what Steven experienced during that episode where Garnet lent her power to him.
Just stumbled on your account, and wanted to comment. You overlooked that we've seen her future vision first-hand through Steven, and with that context the evidence leans far more to hypothesis 2. She sees possibilities and choices, when things get too far or unknown the vision breaks up from what we've seen; it's up to her actions to try to bring about one in the actual world. Possibility 1 would imply she saw a possibility, then tried not to influence it, and was simply a passenger on the raft which she wasn't steering. She saw something big coming, but couldn't tell how it would play out or see all the details, and likely hoped on a good resolution. 3 is still possible, but she would still have to look through the preceding events to see the possibility of Steven listening to the recorder being a near constant.. and just perhaps things got heated with Peridot if that warning wasn't there, and it was there for her as much as Steven regardless of the circumstances. That's less based on evidence, and more a feeling I got. Just seems like a reasonable reaction to take offense, maybe even not be sure about taking it back, unless she had some hint that Steven would hear it, and a couple reminders that she freely handed it over.
I don't think Garnet was sure it would even happen. Matter how likely the outcome was there is still always a chance that Peridot wouldn't join. I don't think she is 100% sure about anything ever since ruby changed sapphires fate that day but she still makes precautions just in case something will happen. I think Garnet did know WHEN peridot would want her tape recorder back because there is proof to me. When peridot pushed Greg off of the roof Garnet came out of nowhere and saved him, When The lighting was about to strike steven, When the coffee was going to fly on him. Steven asks how do you always know when something is going to happen. There are holes in her ability though. Apparently there is a way to evade Her future vision. She must have to actively think about who or what she wants to predict. She was predicting how or when Peridot will fix the beacon and couldn't see it because it was really Pearl that was fixing it.
I personally believe that Garnet's statement "The truth is, not everyone deserves that patience" Is, on the SURFACE seemingly saying that Steven trusts people too much and too often. But digging deeper, I feel that it means that, through some unknown reason/method, Steven /KNOWS/ who or whom to trust, even if he doesn't know why. So taking it in that light, Garnet is saying basically: "Not everyone deserves that patience, but YOU seem to know who does."
Could be a plot hole? The episode could have been intended to go along with the other Gems interactions with Peridot episodes, so the future vision would have been accurate at that time? Either way Garnets future vision is rather flawed (As are most things relating to time) and the limits to it are either non-existent or strict. I like to believe she likes needs to actively search out the future with her future vision, which is why she couldnt see Pearl in the first episode of the third bomb. She was actively searching out futures with Peridot and thus was unable to see Pearl because she wasnt looking for her.
Not really a plot hole we already know that what Garnet sees is not 100% what will happen if something small (Ruby saving Sapphy) can change the future.
+Shadow gotsiz Then that makes no sense, its not future vision if its not the future. You could compare it to calculating outcomes and unforeseen events are due to not factoring in possibilities i suppose, but then that doesnt explain how she can use it to track corrupted gems to fight or in the middle of a fight were the least likely attack could happen. It also doesnt explain why she never used it more often in situations were it could have been helpful. The more you look at it its hardly future vision at all.
+Jay Y If she sees all possible outcomes then how can she not predict what will and wont work against homeworld, and was able to be taken out easily when Peridot and Jasper arrived...?
+Natboy129 Yeah with future vision she has a few setbacks that depend on the situation, with most Homeworld gems being one track minded it's not hard to predict what will happen. For instance Sapphire understanding what Rose and Pearl would do when they attacked but not that Ruby would defect from her duties. SO it all depends on the individual for instance she knew how Steven would act when he tried the future vision that one episode. In terms of Peridot I guess she doesn't try to to read to far because up until she defected from Yellow Diamond Garnet only assumed her intentions would be evil. So unless she truly understands the subject, future vision is kinda useless.
Your 3 hypotesis are extremely important for us to understand what was happening on Garnet´s mind when she foresaw the two "main" outcomes after Steven and Navy go to the barn [Garnet seems to have problems with future vision when herself (or just Saphire) is involved]: 1. She knows it is necesary for Navy to take their spaceship NOW to do whatever she needs to do [in order to arrive to a "golden future", or at least have a decent chance to prevent a "total destuction" event like The Cluster]. -> Either because Navy herself would be later the cause for something necesary to happen, or just being an "enabler" for someone else to do it (like Leggy or Eyeball who may remain stuck in space for too long otherwise). 2. Then she would be "...stashing sunglasses through Beach City... in case of Sunlight Emergency" [Pinkie Pie reference]. -> She does not have the patience (or enough memory/understanding) to explore ALL posible timelines; so instead she picks up small things that almost always happens that could be solved (or used for their advantage) by taking simple pre-precautions in the hope that they will pay on later [one of those may be something as simple as "taking out" the spaceship from their control to prevent more "suicidal missions" like the rescue of Greg (Earth needs the Crystal Gems, Greg is expendable)]. 3. She keeps finding Navy and/or the other rubies in a critical event of their future no matter what (they are either rescued by someone else or somehow manage to escape); so she wanted to keep Navy under close observation [to better understand her], or let others influence her in a positive way. -> Because that "fixed point in time" [Doctor Who reference] is so far away & the "Atractor Field of Convergence" (Steins;Gate reference), that is railroading every timeline into it is too complex to unravel or bypass, she allows just things to happen naturally (without trying to "force destiny to bend down" to their Determination like in the Zoo)...
The third option adds a really interesting look at future vision. If Garnet looked at hundreds of outcomes, and regardless of her actions, Peri got stopped, she could predict the tape recorder stuff but nothing else in between. What an interesting mechanic...
i think that Peridot (at first) wanted to be picked up while making the call. But after looking at Steven, she realized that the earth had potential, that's why she only started saying those things at the end.
I think the way Garnet's future vision works is that, using the ship metaphor, she sometimes ends up drifting somewhere that seems at first to have an obvious destination, but instead takes a sudden turn or twist that even she couldn't see coming until it happens. For example, in Warp Tour: Garnet didn't believe Steven at all, which suggests that the likelihood of him seeing something use the warp was extremely low, enough for her to disregard it. We could translate this as one tiny stream that leads to "Steven is right", and one huge river that appears to lead to "Steven is wrong" but then unexpectedly turns into a waterfall leading directly to "Steven was right and is about to die because no one believed him". Another way to look at it: everything is settings/characters/elements in a story, and Garnet has complete access to its wiki. This means she has all the information to explore the likelihoods of any possibilities, but she doesn't have all the information memorized at all times (not to mention, new information might be added sometimes). That's why she didn't believe Steven - she knows that he's a Crystal Gem worthy of trust, but she had forgotten it. This might also be why she didn't foresee Pearl betraying her in Cry for Help, because she would have had to actively consider the possibility, and it just didn't occur to her. It's also why Garnet would have no future vision at all of the Cluster until Peridot came along, because that would be information not yet entered into her wiki. With the wiki metaphor, Garnet knows Peridot's personality and was aware that she would definitely become a Crystal Gem over time if left alone. However, new unexpected elements - the plans for Earth and the communicator - tested Peridot before she had fully developed her understanding of and loyalty to Earth, and thus the outcome was less certain for a little while. This is why Garnet says that no one can predict the future - Garnet sometimes gets complacent when things seem extremely obvious and clear, but there is always the possibility of sudden stray variables that can change everything. Ruby was the first of such, after all.
Or going back to the 1st option: she saw that Peridot officially joining the gems was more likely to happen, but knew that if she let anyone know or interfered, that she would risk changing the course of events; more or less jeopardizing the chance of her joining the Crystal Gems. And so, while being fairly confident Peridot would join but still feeling a bit uncertain because shit happens; she told Steven that. You must always spread your wisdom when it fits. u.u
May I also suggest a fourth, she looked into the future and in order to effect the best outcome she had to do and say things the way she did. True, Peridot's motivation and the outcome would be clear "pools" however, the secondary actions around them would change alot of things. This was an emotional journey that she chose not to shelter Steven from. She could have, but how would Steven turn out if she always sheltered him. He has to feel these feelings and grow from them. And it may seem like harsh advice, but put it in the context of "I know it will turn out okay" suddenly she is reinforcing his natural inclination to trust.
Wait a second, in what episode did Garnet "bond" with Peridot? Because I watched the whole series on Dailymotion when I first joined the fandom, and they could have skipped some episodes.
I think that Garnet foresaw a Fusion with Peridot and something about her being drew Garnet's attention. That fusion that almost happened if not for steven's gift to peridot would have been a combination of Peridot, Ruby, and Sapphire, just imagine the personality of the resulting Fusion of these Gems? This unnamed Gem would combine every strength and weakness of them all, imagine Garnet with Peridot's obsessive pursuit of new information, her relative talkativeness and insensitivity, and her dedication to structures such as Logic, Accuracy, and Diligence? She would be as different from Garnet as Sugilite and Sardonyx are... Have you or others spoken about Rose's reliance on Garnet's Future Vision in determining the outcomes of events? Like when (young) Greg asked Rose about something and her response was "Oh go ask Garnet, she can tell you the future" or something to that extent. It seemed.. automatic the way she responded, as if her course of actions over centuries on earth have readily been shaped by Garnet's Future Vision. Also, has anyone spoken about what could have made Pearl a "Renegade"? Sure she's sided with Rose but WHY would she have done so, what caused her unending dedication to Rose's mission to the extent that Pearl'd go against her entire being, turning herself from an intellectual functionary into a disciplined warrior? I think it has something to do with Roseand Steven's ability to heal cracked gems with tears/spit, since it seemed as if Lapis Developed an intense connection to Steven in the same way Pearl felt for Rose.
My idea about future vision, based on episodes like when garnet first transferred it to Steven temporarily, is that the user can see any path into the future, but the only thing that will be different would be what they change. For example, you could use future vision to see an episode of a show that hasn't even been created yet, but even when you get back to reality, and wait like everyone else, the episode will still be the same. Or you could shuffle a deck of cards using an automatic shuffler, and any time you use that exact deck at that time with that shuffler, it will give you the same order of cards.
I like Number 2, I like the idea that she saw futures where Peridot betrayed and stayed loyal to the Gems, and her bonding with Peridot made her hope that the good futures would be true. I like the idea that she felt hurt by Peridot's initial betrayal, because she felt that Peridot was going down one of the bad futures. I like that it makes her relief and support for Peridot after she betrays Yellow Diamond more meaningful in a way.
Another option: Similar to two is that Garnet was looking into Peridot's future, and there were many branching paths, looking down some lead her to become a great crystal gem, while down others she becomes a great threat to them, perhaps Garnet saw both great good and evil down her future, so she was confused as to which path was being taken, however looking down those paths, she saw that A: Steven would read her recorder and B: that she and Peridot would fuse to become a fierce gem, with Garnet's future vision, and Peridot's ability to understand complex equations, this explains both her thoughts of betrayal, and her thoughts of hope. Putting this into Garnet's metaphor, the paths that time takes can intersect, creating certain events, certain points where two rivers collide and diverge, that are far more likely than others.
I like the second theory. During the episode where Garnet temporarily gives Steven future vision for the first time, we see that Steven saw numerous different futures based on what actions he took. In that case, Steven, much like Garnet, was able to steer the ship. But, when it comes to Peridot, she can't exactly control the actions of others (Arguably it's kinda the same as in The Answer where Ruby was able to act differently than Sapphire predicted) so there were so many possible outcomes. It could also be a mixture of the second and third. Perhaps there were a couple of timelines where Steven listens to the tape recorder and Peridot wants it back, but it's not so much the tape recorder being a mixed point as a very likely item.
I think it is just as simple as Garnet saw several different possibilities and didn't know which would become reality. Because she didn't know what would exactly happen, she just went with the flow, treating each possibility as if they were going to happen.
i think the second makes the most sense , as for how garnet left that message on the recorder she knew that would happen but that was after peridot became a crystal gem
We've seen that what Garnet sees in part depends on what she's looking for. In Future Vision she pauses before answering Steven's specific questions, as if she's checking, in Cry for Help she couldn't see them fighting Peridot because she was looking for 'the wrong thing,' in The Answer Sapphire didn't predict the fusion and the escape of the rebels because it hadn't occurred to her to look at a future where she was Garnet and not just Sapphire. That's why in Political Power she seems to know no more than Amethyst or Pearl: she can't look at the outcome of Peridot's invasion because she 'doesn't know who or what' will be coming with her. So she could very well have foreseen the moment where Steven listens to the recorder and gives it back to Peridot, because that future proceeds from elements that are all known to her, WITHOUT being able to see the interaction with Yellow Diamond, because that future proceeded from elements she did not know about--Peridot's intentions and the diamond communicator--and therefore couldn't 'look at.'
While Garnet has kept things she definitely foresaw secret before, I think you're right in that she wouldn't have gone that far if she knew for sure Peridot would come back to them. The second and third theories are both more likely. Its totally possible Garnet knew one and not the other. Or that that log would only be listened to in that version of events. Something. Who knows?
Sapphire does make the comment in the episode when she and Ruby come apart over Pearl's lie, that she saw the future, and that everything was resolved (making it seem like she doesn't care). This makes me agree with you that she does not see what will transpire to a certain events that she can see happening for sure, but what the end result will be. Rivers leading to streams, which lead to pools.
When Garnet said that she controls the mast and the ship, she could have meant that she controls which future they reach because she can make actions based on what she's seen in her visions; this could mean that she doesn't get to explore as many possible futures as she wants, but instead randomly sees some future events and not the events that lead up to them.
I think she eventually knew that she was going to call yellow diamond a ''Clod'' and join the crystal gems, in the recorder, think of this sentence in the perspective of guessing, and hoping that Steven would listen to it, ''Steven stop listening to Peridots recorder, shell want it back'' she is guessing two different possibilities, which is way to risky, what if later she decided she wanted him to listen to it? so she must have known. Watch the episode and watch her behaviour, its so.. Odd, it only makes sense if she knew for certain what the future held.
For the 1st option, she may have withheld it because she may have seen that if she told them, events would turn out differently. They have said in the past a good leader knows what to withhold from their followers, Garnet accepting that there are things that Rose didn't tell them, so withholding what may happen to make sure the best outcome would occur may have seemed best, even if the in between was a little rocky she'd know that it would go back if Peridot did what she foresaw. Didn't put together that the log dates where before the events of Peridot talking with YD either, so it's cool to see that. As well as the fact Garnet put a message on there before it all happened xD
her future vision could be effected by how well she knows the individuals involved in the event, if she knows them well she can predict there actions and the results but since she knew very little about paridot, she saw all possible actions she could take
I think it might be the second option, though there is something about Garnet's ability that I'd like to point out: Inside here, there seems to be this ongoing conflict between Sapphire's fatalism and blind belief in the future's she sees and Ruby's impulsiveness and desire to constantly have an effect on the present. So on the one hand, Garnet believes in her visions a lot, on the other hand she constantly wants to change them around. Since Ruby and Sapphire are like interlocked, mingling aspects of her personality within Garnet, I find it also possible that she was aware that Peridot was going to join them, but the impulsive part of her that tends to doubt her visions was fully convinced that moment she must have made a mistake, because she could find no other explanation for Peridot taking the communicator than to betray them. I know, Garnet is more than just Ruby and Sapphire piloting a love mech together, but even if you consider them aspects of Garnet in a psychological sense, this really does feel like Ruby's proneness of jumping to conclusions and holding grudges outruling Sapphire's blind faith in the future.
Based off the idea of the first & third option: what if she saw peridot's future talking to yellow diamond, but didn't see the events leading to it and/or peridot's reasoning for doing so? I'm also assuming future vision may be visual only, so you can only see actions in the future but not have the exact context. Even if someone can see the future, I'd assume there could be different ways to look at it. It also may not explain someone's thought process leading up to the event, after all, it's future vision, not mind-reading. Future Vision options could be: 1) Peridot may talk to Yellow Diamond to save the Earth, 2) Peridot may talk to Yellow Diamond to talk about her locations, or 3) Peridot may be acting as an agent for Yellow Diamond. So, it would actually make sense in the best case scenario to just leave a recording. In worst case, it wouldn't hurt, and one of the other crystal gems would likely find it and get the context.
well, it's not just one future, there are a bunch load of how that moment could have played out. she sees possible futures, not absolute. she could have known that peridot would certain events happened.
Remember though, when we first learned about Garnet's future vision it was stated that she sees "possibilities" not a 100% certain timeline. If that were so, she would've known Jasper would've defused her when she attacked, or about Stevonnie and etc. she saw a possibility of Peridot betraying the Gems(most likely) but it was/is never certain.
I assume that early on, Garnet saw so many futures in which Peridot betrayed everyone that Ruby could only respond in anger, and that Sapphire left the message in hope, but could only watch. She could not change Peridot's future, she could only influence her, and that was AFTER the big event took place.
Option 4: Garnet's statement may not have been referring to Peridot at all, but perhaps the Diamonds instead - all of whom are allegedly set in their ways to the point of refusing any potential means or results that differ from their goals of expanding their Gem empire.
When describing future vision, Garnet also says that she "steers the boat" So much like people creating multiple plans and testing them out, she can test the metaphorical waters of the future. She may know the future just as a sailor knows the sea. Well enough to sail, but not enough to know the exact details of the journey.
I just noticed that Garnet adjusts/grabs her glasses after explaining future vision and when she's frustrated about Peridot evading it. I'm not sure how that's relevant, but I guess it lets us know when she uses it.
There's also the possibility that the first one did happen, however that Garnet's statement to Steven was not about Peridot at all, but towards another gem, very possible either Yellow Diamond or Jasper.
I think that The Answer tells us volumes about future vision. Sapphire pre-fusion was given a path and followed it. Her whole life laid before her, and she was going to live the whole thing without making a single decision. Then other people start making plans based upon Sapphire's future vision, and the visions fragment under the weight of something akin to the grandfather paradox. Ruby integrating with Sapphire has put a being that cannot help but react to what it sees in direct contact with future sight, and Sapphire's vision becomes at best a look at probabilities, fluttering between possible futures even as Garnet approaches making a decision. I imagine it's a terrifying freedom for Sapphire. Attempting to share her visions in detail with the others would compound the instability of the future, and probably render Sapphire nearly blind to what was coming. I think she saw a couple semi-stable possibilities where recording such a message would be relevant, and went ahead with it. I imagine that for Garnet, any forseen future that relies on Steven being both nosy and caring is a pretty safe bet.
That 'moment' between Garnet trying to get Peri to understand whatever, and when they were about to fuse, I was literally screaming "THEYRE GONNA FUSE THEYRE GONNA FUSEEEEE". Then, of course, they didn't, and I, and probably many other people, were left disappointed.
I'm glad someone gets the whole future vision thing, a lot of people act like it's a writing flaw that Garnet can't predict more events, but it's obviously not that simple. I think #2 is the most likely -- Garnet couldn't be sure of what Peridot would do, but recorded the message in the hopes of the best outcome, much like in the episode "Future Vision" how she sees that Steven could end up hurting himself if she told him about future vision but chose to tell him anyway in the hopes he would come to understand.
I think an argument can be made that Garnet's future vision can be very vague for the most part and that it must take a conscious effort in order for her to really zero in on any particular possibility. I feel like anytime she's ever used future vision and given advice about what's going to happen, she has been looking into the future very deliberately. I definitely think it can be said that she doesn't always use it and that it's more of a switch she can flip on and off instead of just a steady stream of ideas and outcomes.
I think she saw two possible endings; one in which Peridot joined the gems, or the other where she sided with homeworld that diverged when Peridot was talking to Yellow Diamond. When Steven brought the communicator, she might have been convinced that Peridot was going to side with homeworld. She may not be able to see all of the events leading up to the outcomes, but relies on inference for that. The reason I think the outcomes diverged when Peridot called Yellow Diamond is that she made a split decision right then and there. It could have gone either way since Peridot is very impulsive and doesn't tend to think ahead, causing a split in the timeline. Also there's a small chance that her future sight may not be 100% accurate, since we saw what happened when Ruby caused Sapphire and herself to completely jump off the timeline Sapphire saw when speaking to Blue Diamond.
I know this is a year old, but I just watched that string of episodes and forgot that parts of Log Date actually occur before It COuld've Been Great. If I understand future vision correctly, I definitely think your thoughts 2 and 3 are both plausible, though like you I'm leaning towards 2 as being the most plausible. It's as you said - future vision, especially Garnet's future vision, has many different paths that she can follow, with an outcome being a small as a lake or as large as a river. I think there were multiple paths with Peridot - some with her choosing the CGs, some choosing HW. The ones for the CGs probably did have an instance where Steven listened to the recording and gave it back. BUT I also think Garnet didn't foresee the actual events that took place, meaning she only knew the outcomes of either or, but the actual event combined Peridot seemingly turning to HW, but she was actually taking a stance ala the CGs. That's why she tells Steven was she does and why she's equally upset by Peridot turning on them and WHY when Peridot is talking to Yellow Diamond, she's just as surprised when Peridot stands up for the Earth. She never saw the possibilities combine into a positive.
I think that,since garnet didn't know about the diamons moon station she couldn't see the possibilities that included them going to the moon, when they went there possibilities for the future, changed and since their arrival there she didn't stop to see what was going to happen next, so everything that happened on "message received " was new to garnet and she reacted like that, like didn't know what was going to happen
In Garnets backstory, Saphire did not expect the course of events to change cause she didn't consider how love could turn events. Even though she is a master of the subject now, maybe turns like this are still hard to predict, causing her to change her mind around a bit...
you can see in her vision one river splits then rejoins a little while down, steven listening to the recorder was at a higher chance and but there are many ways to get to the same place
I believe it's probably closer to option 2. Garnet likely saw several possible outcomes, including one where she turns on Homeworld and joins the Crystal Gems and was taking steps to push things in that direction. Logdate 7 15 2 doesn't just show Garnet predicting Steven would listen to Peridot's logs, but also shows Garet showing up to give Peridot positive and negative feedback to her actions. She's not outright manipulating Peridot but she's encouraging her to explore the new things on Earth and become attached to them, to see Earth's beauty and worth and even understand the Crystal Gems better. But, even with all that it's still all up to Peridot, Garnet can't control her and in the end it's her choices who will decide the future.
When he was talking was talking about Steven Bomb 3, I think she had already new that Pearl pull betray or "use" Garnet for fusion in the future because when Steven and Garnet were watching Crying Breakfast Friends, she gave a grin when Steven said that if she would have forgivin her but she didn't give a response to the question. Once Amethyst and Steven found out what Pearl was doing, Garnet was mad and lashed out then chose not to forgive her. I think she had already new what Pearl was doing to do
As she can see futures that branch out, she can also see what it takes to get to such futures. (We can see this with how Steven got to actually live through different events in great detail, when Garnet momentarily passed the power onto him.) Perhaps she acted the way she did, because her actions are what guaranteed a higher outcome of having Peridot move to their side. By my theory, she keeps her calm, cool, and collected self, as she does what she thinks is best for both this world, and the team. "I won't let you hurt my planet; I won't let you hurt my friends!" It seems she values those the most. Perhaps Peridot is even better off because of the decisions she made. (Peridot would likely have suffered at the Yellow Diamond's hands for failure at the hands of the Crystal Gems, since the YD doesn't seem like a rational fellow.) Garnet "steers the ship", remember? Perhaps acting certain ways is her way of steering down a path that's best for all. That's my take on it, at least.
I think Garnet tries to intefere the less she can with what's currently going on, 'cause if she does interfere things may go a complete different way than she saw, and she could only have like seconds to do something about it. If she interfered into Peridot trying to send the message to YD, that could cause the third hypotheses you considered. But she chose to stay put.
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I'd like to think that Garnet saw both the possibility of Peridot betraying them and Peridot joining them as equally possible, at least at first. She decides to spend time with Peridot in hopes that she can help make the latter possibility a reality and then later on she leaves the message for Steven because she bonded with Peridot and started to put a bit more faith in her joining them.
+Land Mantis sounds legit
That works. I'll buy that.
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Yes
lol.
Horrible ships and adorable doritos...I like it.
The first time I saw the episode, I didn't even think she used future vision. I kinda thought it was her mom instinct :v
Does this option seem possible?
Yes
+Tuxedo Dorito Same
+Tuxedo Dorito wtf garnet isn't a mom and doesn't have mom instincts also mom instincts only make you protect your child (if you have one)(edit)why does your comment have so many likes?
Brian Cressy the crystal gem see Steven as a son. I think most (maybe all) women naturally have a mom instinct (and it's not only about your natural child). And, if it isn't mom instinct, come on, you still know what I mean... Garnet knows Steven well, so she probably guessed he would have listened to Peridot's logs
And probably my comment has "so many likes" because people agree with me ;^)
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Perhaps she chose not to look into Peridot's future, but looked more deeply into Steven's instead. She would get an idea that Peridot was going to do something, but wouldn't necessarily get to see what or how per se. Not particularly practical, but Steven is of vastly more emotional consequence to Garnet than Peridot is. Maybe all she did was a quick check to make sure Steven would not be in danger of Peridot and just let the rest be.
+Your Wayward Destiny Or that Garnet doesn't actually know all the ins and outs of her future vision; which is why she keeps making mistakes and might experience a different outcome out of two (while thinking she is working towards one). Bc Garnets idea of future vision seems so unlike what sapphire seemed to think in The answer (even if it was brief); sapphire then only seemed to see one possible outcome, which was the destruction of her current physical form and the capturing of the crystal gems. She didn't mention any others, and you would think that a loyal subject would give her all the information about such a big thing. But maybe the sapphire future vision (if there are any more sapphires) of homeworld gems can only see one path, or unable to see time as non-linear (they can only see the streams leading into big lakes, ignoring the smaller creaks). And it wasn't until something changed her timeline that she could see all the ins and outs of it all, bc she was no longer going down the same path as before.
+Pelle McKruth The way future vision has been shown to work, is needing to actually LOOK for each branch. So if a wildcard like ruby, or jasper's gem poofing weapon, aren't accounted for, future vision won't catch the possibility. Both Garnet and Sapphire know to look across a wider range of possibilities after ruby ignored the "fated" outcome of that battle. However, Sapphire only just learned that when they began staying fused, and ruby didn't even get future vision, so Garnet, while looking further than sapphire once did, still isn't sure what a wildcard could be, and can be surprised by them when she doesn't look right at what they're capable of.
So, I sort of agree. The original programming that creates future vision doesn't really give them the idea that tiny branching paths that seem to hold no significance, or creeks, can lead to big things. So they ONLY look for streams, rivers, waterfalls, and lakes. The big things. They don't look for the tiny details that can change the whole landscape. And, I figure, if there's more than one future vision gem, they don't get the chance to see the big shifts from tiny things because things go according to plan 99.9% of the time.
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+varnisa But in jail break Ruby got the ability to see in a range that's how Ruby found sapphire and even sapphire's future vision is flawed shown in the keystone episode.
Garnet just took another gamble on the future.
Remember the episode where she tells steven of her powers and he ends up on the roof. She took a gamble that telling steven of her powers might have brought have him closer to her and instead it made him afraid of everything. Which was a potential future and garnet was wrong. I think this scene was heavily foreshadowing her visions of peridots betrayal or alliance.
The moment peridot contacted yellow diamond, garnet was more passive and not as angry as we've seen her to be. She only cared about protecting steven.
What's even weirder is pearl and amethyst aren't that upset at peridot either.
We've seen how they are when they hunt down peridot in previous episodes but in message recieved it seems as if they're "pretending" to be upset as to not tip off steven about what they know. We know that the crystal gems can be secretive. The reason for their secrecy is because they know peridots alliance is only a *potential* outcome. They didn't want to get stevens hopes up. And when she calls YD a clod, they know she is on the path of a crystal gem whether she likes it or not!
May I propose a 4th option? She simply didn't look into peridot's future. She could still know about her ditching the recorder but not why
+raphaela ratzlaff
Isn't that just my 3rd hypothesis?
Uncivilized Elk what I mean is she didn't see at all, like she didn't even try to...is it still the same?
Well she had to have tried to, because she predicted Steven would listen through the logs, he would do it out of a place of caring, and Peridot would want to the tape recorder back after he was done. So she knew that last bit about Peridot's state of mind at the least, even if she didn't know about anything that led up to it, which is what the 3rd hypothesis was.
Uncivilized Elk oh...I see, sorry
+Uncivilized Elk Or she could have looked into Steven's future, but not Peridot's.
I think you might be missing something here, though. I think the first hypothesis is the correct for the reason that Steven _still_ needed to learn that lesson.
It's been talked about on the internet (reddit and ifunny, in my case) that one of the things people wish is that Steven really could win the entire gem race over with love and understanding, but the fact of the matter is, despite all the fantasy in the show, it's very realistic when it comes to how people react and the emotions they feel, and in that fact, the possibility of Steven being able to non-violently win over all of Gemkind is 0%. He needs to know that there will be times that Love, and Kindness won't work.
But Garnet loves Steven, and she doesn't want him to become dark, brooding, and untrusting. She wants him to continue to be the loving, goofy, and kind Steven he is. So she used Peridot to teach him that yes, "Some people don't deserve the kindness and patience that you want to give them, but that doesn't mean you should never believe in people. You've got to learn when to give someone another chance, and when to tell them 'That's it, I'm done.'"
+ShaggyRedHead I think you pretty much got it down to a "T" hehe :)
TMSNssto Thanks!
+ShaggyRedHead I said basically the same thing, just with less specific intent on the front of Garnet using Peridot as an object lesson, since then being able to win her over kind of cheapens the lesson, so I saw it more as a warning to remember for some of the more aggressive gems.
ShaggyRedHead so you're saying Steven is not on a pacifist run?
Jacob McDonald Steven Universe True Ending! if only that could happen! but maybe a Neutral ending is all we'll get cause of how realistic the show is about how people are. i still wanna believe that everything can be solved peacefully.
you were thinking pretty much what i was thinking. i love your reference ;)
I really like the second and third options too. I loved seeing Garnet and Peridot bonding in Log Date 7 15 2, and I hope at some point they do actually fuse, mostly because I'm excited to see how the character design will end up. Since Sapphire's future vision predicted the end result in Keystone Motel but not the path it took to get there, I think that both the second and third options are much more likely than the first. My favorite is definitely the second, because I love seeing cool, stoic characters show more emotion.
+HazardousCassi Heh, for me it just really seems that Sapphire really didn't look into seeing the path that future would take, or she just didn't think of looking for that path, for whatever reasons including that there would need to be a path to lead to that future.
Garnet didnt tell them about the future of peridot because as soon as she relays the inforation about that future, that future is suddenly deeme impossible, as then they have knowledge of that future and would very likely do things out of order and lead down a different future path, when garnet wants a future to happen, she will do everything she can to make sure it will happen that way
and in this case, not telling the others was one of them
i think peridot likes amethyst
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who me
I think she likes her in a best friend way.
There's something that doesn't jive with the third option. Throughout the conversation, Garnet was the one who was the most held back, the most calm of the four gems. I think there's a fourth option. She wanted to set an example for Steven and the Crystal Gems, that not everything will go as you'd want to, that not everything will be as easy. Sometimes, trusts have to be broken, hearts have to be betrayed, clods have to be named. Without this conflict, what would happen the next time they'd find a hostile gem?
Peridot already set a baseline, that not all gems are as easily ready to join them in their efforts. Garnet already had calculated that in, but she also had calculated in Peridot's change of heart. Whatever the outcome, it would most likely always end up the same. Sure, she doesn't know how it would transpire, because before that episode, she didn't know Peridot would have a diamond communicator.
Remember back when Steven came home with the mirror, and Garnet found out there was a gem living in there, still sentient. Now compare it to her reaction to finding out that Peridot had this diamond communicator. She was a lot less agressive. This entire thing, she knew it was a gamble, but if she didn't allow the Crystal Gems to at least fight back, what would happen when such thing would happen again?
And imagine this. Peridot contacted Yellow Clod knowing that the Crystal Gems wanted Peridot dead, yet she remained silent about the presence of the Crystal Gems, showing that, despite having betrayed them, she would not rat them out. If there wasn't any turmoil, would they ever see Peridot's true nature? Wouldn't it be equally possible if Peridot would just remain silent about the Crystal Gems just to keep them happy? It was at this moment you could see her true allegiance, her true loyalty. At that point, she was a Crystal Gem. She wasn't pressured into protecting the Earth, no, this time, it was on her own terms, it was her own choice. I mean, for all she knew she had nothing to win at that point, but she still chose for Earth.
And that's option number four.
+Gary Kertopermono thumbs up for "Yellow Clod", I laughed my ass off when I saw it.
Good analysis too by the way.
That's... Really good. I agree with you on that, and I think that's what I'm going to believe in for now until the show says otherwise.
Not related to this, but I have a theory about Lion. What if Rose somehow created him because Steven may not have been able to have a pocket dimension like Pearl or the other gems? So Rose could leave Steven items he would need as he learned to control his gem. This is my theory at least...
I thought the same!
I always thought that steven summoned him subconsciously, and since he and rose would in theory share the same pocket her stuff would naturally be there.
Wait but why is Bismuth in there
thats a good way to say it i guess :3
to help bismuth maby? maby rosefelt she wouldnt be able to help bismuth and kept them there tell someone who could?
When trying to figure it out, myself, I landed on option 2, and I still absolutely prefer it. Not only does it work to Garnet's character, but it also enhances it. She really hoped Peridot would make the right decision, and trusted her, just as Steven did. I don't mind the third option, but I much prefer the second.
When you said about Garnet sharing the future She can't share the future like we arn't supossed to know the future but Garnet helps them with out telling them
+Junetval
Garnet can share the future all she wants. She did it in the very first episode we learned about future vision (the episode was called "Future Vision"). Hell, she can even give her future vision power to others temporarily - we had an entire episode about that too - that's another league above merely sharing the predictions she sees.
Uncivilized Elk
She can share the future but she chooses not to because that would be wrong to give it way all the time she only tells or gives the power temporarily when its ok
And it's "ok" anytime she feels like it. Ergo, she can share the information whenever she feels like it. Which is in direct opposition to your statement of "she can't share the future." She can, she has, and undoubtedly will do so again.
Hark back to Rose: "[Worried about the future?] Just ask Garnet!"
you win this round -.- Uncivilized Elk
Woot woot. I'll see you for round 2 over an undisclosed issue at an undisclosed time in the future.
what if "not everyone deserves that patience" was actually referring to the Diamond Authority?
That makes more sense. Peridot pretty much gave Yellow Diamond the finger. There really should be no doubt of her loyalty to the Crystal Gems now.
Amy Glover no, as in garnet was warning Steven not to be patient with Yellow Diamond.
I know. I was agreeing with you zoob.
Amy Glover oh, sorry.
I think it's a misdirection really, was just a piece of all round advice you would give to a person with too much patience. Patience is good but it's both a facet and a flaw. It was said to make the viewer thing Peridot's betrayal was very likely and not in good faith, but it's just Garnet like the leader she is giving advice to an underling.
Even when someone has the power to look into the future. The thing is, the future is never set in stone.
It can always be changed; in this case, Peri WOULD'VE betrayed Steven and the Gems (albeit not intentionally.) But instead; Peri saw the flaws in her "glorious leader, Yellow Diamond's mindset and she ended up "betraying" HER as a result.
I say not intentionally because many have pointed out that in Message Received, Peri didn't betray anyone. What Peri intended to do was convince Yellow Diamond that Earth is worthy of being spared.
But when her plan failed, Peri saw how flawed her leader was and ultimately defied her. What follows is her diary logs AFTER defying Yellow Diamond.
To make a long story short, one can never tell what the future holds; not even Garnet
Seems legit
+sadlobster1 Yeah future vision only works 100% almost if the subject is a person with a one track mind like most homeworld gems, but once they break away from status and learn of emotions they become spontaneous, like Peri and Ruby defecting
dertlash
Very true
Just like "the answer" when sapphire predicted about herself being "destroyed" by the rebels, ruby saved her instead. And she didnt see it in her future vision
Reniya Richardson
So, with Peridot; it seems history has repeated itself
I think that entire story is just garnet telling rose about what happens when she will give birth to steven
wow that's deep
that would be amazing, but also sad.
Me Turkey Holy guacamole dude.
noooooooo
Me Turkey That would make me want to kill myself
I have an idea. What if she wasn't talking about Peridot? Maybe she saw the conversation with Yellow diamond, and all the outcomes were the same, Yellow Diamond just wanting the Earth destroyed. In this case Yellow Diamond could be the one to not have patients with.
What you're saying reminds me if what happened in the pilot with Garnet calling Steven a butthead. It's really vague and strange at first (not to mention random), but it ends up making complete sense later on
Makes sense
Garnet doesn't have future vision, she sees only possibilities for the future. Mabye she knew if she interfeared it would change.
Ummmm, Garnet DOES have future vision -_- If she sees possibilities for the future, thats future vision .-.
Brandon Downer
future vision is when you know what's going to happen. What she has is precognition.
+Henrique Carballo Aranha
It's literally called future vision in the series.
Dude the very ability is called future vision
Garnet Didn't know Peridot was gonna betray Yellow Diamond because not even Peridot knew that Peridot was gonna betray Yellow Diamond.
I have a 4th hypothesis
It's not stated exactly how, if at all, Sapphires future vision differs from Garnets, but assuming they are the same, Sapphire being so confident about how things would have turned out in the story of how Garnet met suggests that all potential futures ended the same way, yet Ruby managed to change it
Perhaps future vision simply cannot see heat of the moment, impulsive decisions
Think about it, even if Peridot was calling to request to destroy the cluster, she still considered herself loyal to Yellow Diamond, and she had to practically force herself to even ask the question, and she clearly wasn't thinking when she called her a clod
Perhaps all potential futures that Garnet saw where Peridot made the call ended with her betraying them, because Peridot doing what she did literally couldn't be predicted
Remember that what Sapphire said in Key Motel "I keep looking into the future where all of this has been solved. Like how you feel in the present doesn't even matter." Sapphire has said before she doesn't look in the now only yet to come. That being said she saw the destination and not the journey. Or using the one where she give Steven futurevision about the blizzard. Using Garnets words how it splits into rivers then pools at lakes and cascade down waterfall. She is tooling about choices affect things and how it could lead to a pool( something she can't see because she isn't there eg bad ending) or cascade down waterfall (the chase then back to normal).
The visions seemed based on her choices or the one she bestows futurevision too (Steven that one time). If she acted like she knew it would probably not have he desired outcome. Peridot would never be trusted by the gems she would never have the chance to grow because they treat her like a prisoner. If she intervened to fast peridot wouldn't have grown as a person. But do nothing she got her good ending.
2:39 those are totally beedrill
Ikr??
Pretty much yes xD
Yup
lol yup totally beedrills
yeah
Think of how hurt Garnet must've been seeing that there's a possibility that Peridot would join the crystal gems and help fight for Rose, and so Garnet put all that time and effort trying to make that ending be the one that comes true. It's not just that she hopes that this is a possibility, and she's trying to convince herself Peridot can change like Pearl and Amethyst are, but she actually KNOWS, she can SEE that Peridot can change! But then, Peridot still starts insulting Rose's efforts and saying how beautiful Earth would've been, and Garnet sees that one possible future shatter in front of her. That must've been so painful, because she really believed in that other future, she believed Peridot would take the right path, but Peridot ended up siding with homeworld again.
Stella Marie ikr
The fact this is 7 years ago makes me feel old
Hypothesis #4: It's just a plot hole.
I think that there is also a possibility that Garnet sees something in the future that happens to Steven. I think she would have made that comment to instil it into Steven's mind for the future, potentially for an upcoming episode. I do not think Garnet would have said that to Steven without having some sort of reason behind it. I am unsure if it will eventually relate to Peridot but, at this point in time, it does not seem this way to me. The way I see it is; there is an upcoming conflict that Steven is being partner and then realizes that it isn't worth his time to be.
Garnets future vision is a bit of an illusion, and I'll explain why
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When she was sapphire, her future vision was never wrong, and this is because most people or gems in this case, sort of flow down a very predictable path, not acting on wild impulses, even in moments of shock, terror or death, most people have a way of responding to something and you could say, her 'ability' is sort of like extra processing power for this predictive ability, which we ALL actually have, but its often too much data for us to really use. But not for her.
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Now, she was wrong about the prediction that ruby would be destroyed just before she was destroyed during the rebel attack, and this was because, ruby, being somewhat chaotic and emotional inside, is actually the polar opposite of saphire, who's personality and type are actually calm and flowing very LOGICALLY. It would only be fitting that the polar opposite of absolute logic is absolute chaos, which is random enough that an impulse has the power to change any predictable future
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Even if that last paragraph was kind of hard to read, take it like this; in the shows history, it has been said that she can see the future, but steven, or us, have the power to change it. Thats because going against what you normally would do in a situation is as easy as it gets to render her future vision useless. Letting yourself be controlled by emotions, fear and anger specifically, is predictable, but actions of love are not because love is so impulsive. In situations of love, the chance to change the future is exponentially GREATER, so great in fact that theres probably only a 1-10% chance that it wouldn't be totally changed. I'm making up numbers here.
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Knowing this, reconsider just how powerful her future vision is... imagine if YOU had it. But imagine that despite that vision, things can change anyway from all predictable paths if a moment of impulse comes along. In this sense, future vision is sort of a guide, or suggestion.. but its not a guarantee. So she can sort of follow a patha nd try to steer it, using more knowledge and showing more promise than anyone else, but its still not a 100% chance its going to happen that way. Because of this, she has an idea where things will go, and most times they do, but she also knows it might change at any time. So her real ability is adapting to things when it changes and making choices 'just in case'.
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Some last thoughts as well is that she's also two people as one and sometimes when she's emotional about something, her future vision is impeded greatly, maybe even totally gone, whilst when she is calm and peaceful, its more powerful. The emotional roller coaster ride that came with peridot could have caused enough waves that her vision was mostly blurry. The clearest things to see, most probable, and the fuzziest, not even clear enough to make out.
No no no wrong it isnt that deep n has nothing to do witt nothing--- garnets future powers were shown and detailed in to episodes tha FOCUSED on her power
Do my homework for me please :0 hehe I love your rendition on that, but what you have proved at least my take on that is reason number 2 which already is the most probable, but you my friend have proved it no matter what the crewniverse says
+Micheal Livingston That's actually literally what the episode future vison shows us. Garnet can see all probable futures, but only if she thinks about how the situation will be that she can learn more about the futures as she stated in Cry for help "She's evaded my future vison." She never knew it would be Pearl because she was thinking about what Peridot would do and were she is now. Garnet can focus her vison if she thinks what will happen which makes sense with Sapphire who of course could predict everything right because she is asked about what will happen and her sight can see it. Theres actually a difference in Garnets and Sapphires future vison that or Garnet has more control than Sapphire does over it. theory is that so far Sapphy can see a single future or be able to predict what will happen (She saw the rebels losing and her poofing, Steven's actions and emotions in Keystone motel, She saw that Garnet will forgive Pearl and Ruby will come back to sapphire.) What Sapphy doesn't do is think about what else may happen while Garnet thinks of everything that could happen. All of this is seen in the show and all episodes on future vision or includes it supports the comments theory (The top one.) Have an amazing week!
It changed because sapphire said "Thank you ruby, u did your best." As garnet said ruby already know whats happening. so ruby jumped at sapphire. But when sapphire was using her future vision, she didnt said "Thank you ruby, u did your best." Since she doesnt know yet what would happen. And because sapphire never said dat, ruby didnt fused and saved sapphire.
I like that you made this video. Garnet's ability to see possible futures is something that is, I think, often overlooked within the context of the story, to a point that it seems like even SHE forgets she has it, so that the main characters (and by extension, the audience) can be surprised.
For example, once Peridot, Lapis, and Jasper were on their way to Earth, wouldn't Garnet have been able to look ahead and see, more or less, what they were about to deal with (specifically, a technician, a non-combatant semi-friend, and a single warrior wielding gem-destabilizing weapons)? I mean, once the giant hand got close enough to Earth that its successful arrival was almost guaranteed, she ought to have been able to perceive the Crystal Gems fighting their impending foes, right?
As for the three theories you presented, I agree that #1 is too far out-of-character for her, as well as there being too little reason for her to withhold such information from her friends. I feel that theory #2 would be the most probable. The way I think I understand her power to work, the farther out she "looks", the more the timeline branches out, meaning that it gets harder to be sure of what events might be more "fixed" than others. Thus, her trying to help a positive timeline come about by making the log entry was a result of her seeing several "good" futures wherein Steven listens to it.
in the answer we saw that sapphire predict was nearly always happen and then after ruby save her from being poof she saw that she herself could interfere to what she predict to encourage or prevent the outcome
so i believe that she have already saw a lot of outcome and most of them was end up peridot report the crystal gem to yellow diamond since garner or all the member of the crystal gem need peridot to reveal where the cluster take place garnet know that they must have peridot so she tried to lead peridot to the "good" outcome
future vision is a very strong power but it have too many outcome and not balance non of the outcome is 100% happen so all she can do is try to lead people to the outcome give them warning and hope that they won't mess everything up :v
+Hung Kieu i mean at the time she attempt to fuse with peridot and outcome that peridot would betray the CG was low so she believe that the event of log date 7 15 2 would happen so she tried to talk to steven though the tape recorder ( if it end up outside the event of log date 7 15 2 then it just gonna leave there not affect much anyway ) and when she said about "not everyone deserved...." the outcome that peridot would betray the CG was high
i mean the future line always chance new branch appear when old branch disappear
Oh ok! Cool video too! I agree with ur theory, the third one that is, she doesn't use future vision that often, she uses it for very important stuff (like keeping Steven safe, or finding Peri when she was escaping), she usually kinda let's things happen u know... She's chill about time XD
umm just aloud thinking but... WHO ELSE THINKS ITS AWESOME PERIDOT IS A CRYATAL GEM!!!
+Bryson Eagle
Hell yeah!
WELCOME PERIDOT! THE NEW CRYSTAL GEM! :D
MEEE!!!!
If she'd told the gems that Peridot would stay on their side (as opposed to the first hypothesis), the future might've changed drastically.
The hole in #2&3 is that we actually have a better understanding of future vision. It is like a simulation where you play the whole thing out from where you are now to the point of death or least desirable outcome and then back to the point where you can change the outcome. This info comes from Winter Forcast where steven learns he can't wait to take Sadie home because the blizzard will cause injury or death if he waited.
Theory one- She saw Peridot become a crystal gem but knew it wouldn't last and therefore gave Steven the hard truth that is in fact true but left the message because for now they were friends. The reason why Peridot will betray them is because she said, "there are things on this planet worth protecting" and when she said things she could have meant resources. Once the cluster is gone the other diamonds may thank her by giving her a position for building the colony for stopping yellow diamond from finishing her weapon, after all who else was the weapon for.
Theory two- Garnet had 5,750 years to reexamine her new timeline. Instead of doing what sapphire did and lay out her entire life she only looks at the events she deems important. This goes with your third theory and assuming the hole I see is false this will further support your theory. When Garnet came apart at the motel, Sapphire said, "I'm always looking into the future, no wonder you think I don't care." Garnet could have stopped any unnecessary future telling from that point on and will miss anything she thinks isn't important. This is to enjoy what is happening instead of reliving it and because it is no longer useful to know what will happen 1000 years from now since Rubie was able to change destiny. It isn't too far fetched since Garnet doesn't spoil what is going to happen every five seconds like Sapphire did when Steven didn't like the square pizza. Therefore she was just as far in the dark as the others for that specific event.
Theory three- Garnet has a master plan but withholds the info because it either helps with the outcome or shows the team she isn't emotionless like Sapphire appears at first glance. Basically your first theory.
+george h
Except the snowstorm was going to come no matter what, so if they left late enough the van getting stuck would occur no matter what. Steven got the most simplified type future route to examine because undoubtedly he would get lost and start losing his sanity if he was given a complex one to trace for his first experience with future vision. Hence why Garnet allowed him to see such a route to begin with instead of merely explaining to him why he should leave on time, because the route was simple and wouldn't lead to harm or massive confusion for Steven. If Steven was to use the power again, events or conversations may have had slight variation but that snowstorm was coming no matter what - so the snowstorm was fixed as of when Garnet granted Steven her power.
For other less fixed events, there can be multiple potential ways for them to unfold, and multiple branching paths along the way from those initial paths. Merely for an event 5 seconds in the future (what happens if Steven approaches Lars in the episode "Future Vision"), Garnet saw 3 different probabilities (and actually, those were just the ones worth mentioning, either Steven gets high-fived or gets burned, who knows how many more mundane probabilities there could have been she didn't mention). Now again, this was for 5 seconds into the future. So tracing the future forward days or months would undoubtedly create a myriad of branching pathways if there is uncertainty in regards to what is being examined - it's nowhere as simple as: "go to end result." Not to mention, future vision has nothing to do with an unfavorable result or death, Steven was merely traveling forward through events when using it down one particular path (it was his first time utilizing it after all and he wasn't even aware he was doing it if I remember correctly). When Garnet uses it, she can travel to whichever specific events or whichever specific route she is interested about and has the context for (as she says, "I steer the ship").
+Uncivilized Elk
First I'd like to say oops I said Saide instead of Conny for some reason. lol
snowstorm was fixed making it simple
Infinite possibilities whether it is five seconds or five years meaning it is never simple.
No one can process an infinite amount of data which means Garnet has a simplified version to some degree so how simplified is future vision for both characters is the question.
Plus there is no guarantee that Steven got the simpler version or that other gems such as Steven can't process it with his brain/gem... come to think of it, does he use his gem or his brain to think? That sounds baffling since both process information. Either both or he commands his gem with his brain with a backup in his gem or something.
I'm pretty sure what we saw is the most likely process of future vision
Steven Universe was sorta like a tutorial at first in my opinion on how to be a crystal gem, so it isn't too surprising that this could be the creators telling us that this is exactly how future vision looks like.
"I steer the ship" applies to what Steven saw as well. He steered himself to the best outcome.
Steven saw about four different possibilities and could of done more if he wanted to keep looking for a way to keep Conny for the maximum amount of time but had to keep it under 11 minutes.
Complex visions could just take longer but still taking less time than it takes to kiss someone, extremely complex ones requiring you to sit on a bed for long periods of time like Sapphire. It doesn't have to be an entirely different process and could very well go to the end result. Not to mention gems don't die and travel across space so what is five years alone with your thoughts trying to get the best outcome got to them. Steven would probs go mad though. However, it would definitely be helpful to go to any specific event and I agree she can since that helps explain why she didn't see Purl rebuilding the tower the other two times.
Not realizing the vision is fake could be beneficial for Garnet too. Imagine being in an imaginary fight vs a real one. You wouldn't be able to compare the two because you may just freeze when things get real.
Not sure what you mean by "nothing to do with an unfavorable result or death" because if you are in a ship you'd want to avoid that.
But really I think we put more though into this stuff than the creators sometimes and can't help but think if they even thought about the things we ask or have thought about. I think it may just be as simple as Winter Forecast being our lesson as to what future vision is like and Garnet's is the same but longer.
+Uncivilized Elk rewatched the episode. She said no one can predict the future and that she sees options so it seems like you're theories fit best. I had trouble understanding why you were talking about the storm being fixed until then. I think your second theory is the most likely.
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Haha cool. Thanks for the update!
+Uncivilized Elk hey can you try what is the attitude of garnet if she has no Future vision i like your smartness your very good i know that what you said is tr👍🏻ue
you have been doing so well scence u started! keep it up
what made you think that thia episode took place before "It could have been great" and "Message Recieved" doesn't Peridot give Steven the recorder because she was still trying to cope with betraying YD in the previous episode?
+AbdefFable1 The *flashbacks* shown in LG (which include Garnet leaving her recording) took place before ICBG and MR - I never said the entire episode takes place before (it doesn't, clearly the non-flashback components are shortly after the events of MR).
Thank you for clearing that up I wasn't sure if you thought it was the whole episode or if you meant the recordings.
Modification of theory 3: Garnet just checked the likelihood of Steven checking the tape recorder, at some point, for some reason, instead of looking at all the different scenarios this checking of the tape recorder could take place in.
I felt like she knew what would happen, But she knew if she interfered it could have gone a whole other way.... so I think it was
#1
+HASHARAHHA14
But she even tells Steven, "There's no time for feeling horrible! We have to catch Peridot before she contacts YD!" That's just so friggin' shady if she's faking it all!
Think about this way too: if as soon as Peridot escapes Garnet just tells everybody "Let her make the call" and the CGs catch up to Peridot but tell her to go ahead and use the communicator, do you think Peridot's conversation with YD would have ended different? She would still say The Cluster should be deactivated because of the Earth's potential - that was her primary reason for calling YD in the first place, and YD would still shut her down. So why would Garnet be faking that they all have to catch Peridot - if anything them turning against her might push her back toward HW's side more, no?
+Uncivilized Elk Perhaps She couldn't interfere and ALSO had to do and say certain things for these events to occur exactly as they did. There are still other possibilities of what could have taken place(Peridot punking out because a lack of positive peer pressure from the CG's behind her, Garnet being able to stop Peridot by knowing that she'd flee from the mecha, etc.) other than what we saw in the episode. She may not have wanted to be "fake", but it might have been necessary. She may not have been able to tell the CG's because it might have rendered the possibility of the positive peer pressure existing to be nullified. So, she more than likely knew what would happen but couldn't act on it the way she would naturally. This would explain why she acted even less effected by it than she would have if it caught her off guard.
+Uncivilized Elk Well if you look closely it looks like Garnet was punching useless areas, however looking at it the other way Garnet did say she would stop doing major risks, and contacting Yellow Diamond is pretty major.
Sounds legit
#2 would also explain why Garnet and the other gems just sat by and watched while Steven wrestled Peridot for the communication-gem.
They already knew how the conversation would play-out, but if they would have just let Peridot make the call without opposing her, then she would just have become embittered with everyone after Yellow Diamond's rejection and end-up also rejecting the crystal gems.
So they left Steven in the dark about the outcome so-as to make the struggle more genuine.
It also wouldn't be the first time Garnet intentionally left-out information, lying by omission, for Steven's sake (see the episode where he almost gets struck by lightning after climbing a rooftop in a fit of pre-teen angst after learning about the full scope of Garnet's abilities)
Maybe she saw A FUTURE, but decided not to interfere like ruby did when she saved sapphire
As sapphire was supposed to die
+Skintel N.Keychain I thought afterwards that Ruby had lowkey timeline manipulation, and since she directly intervened, it made it so that she got thrown off her timeline. Garnet has future vision, but not the same future vision as Sapphire, because Ruby's passive manipulation lets her see a multitude of paths. (Potentially, Sapphire could only see one, even if there were a lot. Ruby fixed this. Or made it worse? Garnet makes mistakes.)
+Anafyral Weyferling Makes perfect sense
+Anafyral Weyferling Fighting Pearl was what Ruby was *supposed* to do, so it doesn't make much sense that Sapphire would overlook it--she just predicted that Ruby would lose.
I think the point where Sapphire's prediction failed was that she told Ruby "You did the best you could," which wasn't part of her original prediction.
It didn't occur to her that that simple polite line would change things, but when Ruby realized her destruction was prophesied she reacted, and *that* was what Sapphire didn't predict.
She wasn't going to die
Well, Garnet sees POSSIBLE futures, so maybe one of those futures ended in tears, thus making her remind Steven to S H O W N O M E R C Y.
this is cool nice job bro
~joke alert~
the result of Peridot calling Yellow Diamond was: memes
I like the second possibility, not just because of the mirroring of steven and garnet's feelings at that point, or because garnet doesn't seem like the kind of gem to manipulate her entire team to that extent, but from a purely mechanical viewpoint of her futurevision. I'm not sure if she has to actively use it or if it's a passive ability, but she seems to use it frequently enough that most if not all her decisions and actions are aided by it. Even her decision to tell steven about the ability was a risk based on a possible good future. The Episode "the answer" at the beginning of the steven bomb, which reiterated that even sapphire's future vision wasn't 100% was probably partially in the same bomb as the peridot episodes to remind us that her vision isn't perfect. Even without that reminder, the situation with peridot seemed like something that could have many different outcomes and if there's too much variation that it could lead into it'd be hard to tell which future is most likely.
What if we're looking at Future Vision all wrong, here? What if it's not even a power, but just insanely quick and powerful thought processing? I mean, anyone could seriously think about something that could happen and what the consequences and reactions would be from said event. The problem with actually doing that, though, is it would take a long time to think about it and to keep track of every single detail. I think "future vision" is the ability to do all of this at incredible speeds and still keep track of everything.
This could also explain how Sapphire's confidence in her abilities failed her. It failed because she was not aware of all of the variables from the starting point: The one variable she did not know of was the Ruby that became our Ruby. She simply assumed they were all just like any other Ruby and used that as information for future vision. This is only one example, but I think it's strong evidence to support this.
Okay, so, why does this matter? This distinction basically means that what she "sees" (More like hypothesizes) with future vision is a deterministic seed. Without the right variables put into place, what she sees can be vastly different from another attempt even going down the same-exact path multiple times. This could give some validity to the first conclusion, as all paths at the time of using future vision could have lead to Peridot joining them but she wanted to be extra safe and sure of it before telling the other gems because she understands Peridot is a wildcard.
However I think with this in mind, there's also some validity in saying that she didn't even know Peridot would contact Yellow Diamond at all because she didn't know Peridot had that communicator.
This could also explain the behavior in recording the message and attempting to fuse with Peridot. Perhaps with these pieces in play, she could get a different result with future vision. A more satisfying result, because it's possible that there were some bad futures seen were Peridot betrays them.
+Templarfreak Here's a bit more thought on it. You remember when Garnet "lent" her future vision power to Steven? I think that basically this is how it works:
She takes some kind of specific information (The seed) and uses it and the information she's gathered to simulate the entire universe in her mind. During this, she can make different choices, or infulence others to make different choices, that will affect the outcome of her simulated universe. But with even just one new bit of information, the result can be exponentially different from before even using the same "seed" and the exact same choices.
And this is what Steven experienced during that episode where Garnet lent her power to him.
Just stumbled on your account, and wanted to comment. You overlooked that we've seen her future vision first-hand through Steven, and with that context the evidence leans far more to hypothesis 2. She sees possibilities and choices, when things get too far or unknown the vision breaks up from what we've seen; it's up to her actions to try to bring about one in the actual world. Possibility 1 would imply she saw a possibility, then tried not to influence it, and was simply a passenger on the raft which she wasn't steering.
She saw something big coming, but couldn't tell how it would play out or see all the details, and likely hoped on a good resolution. 3 is still possible, but she would still have to look through the preceding events to see the possibility of Steven listening to the recorder being a near constant.. and just perhaps things got heated with Peridot if that warning wasn't there, and it was there for her as much as Steven regardless of the circumstances. That's less based on evidence, and more a feeling I got. Just seems like a reasonable reaction to take offense, maybe even not be sure about taking it back, unless she had some hint that Steven would hear it, and a couple reminders that she freely handed it over.
I don't think Garnet was sure it would even happen. Matter how likely the outcome was there is still always a chance that Peridot wouldn't join. I don't think she is 100% sure about anything ever since ruby changed sapphires fate that day but she still makes precautions just in case something will happen. I think Garnet did know WHEN peridot would want her tape recorder back because there is proof to me. When peridot pushed Greg off of the roof Garnet came out of nowhere and saved him, When The lighting was about to strike steven, When the coffee was going to fly on him. Steven asks how do you always know when something is going to happen. There are holes in her ability though. Apparently there is a way to evade Her future vision. She must have to actively think about who or what she wants to predict. She was predicting how or when Peridot will fix the beacon and couldn't see it because it was really Pearl that was fixing it.
I personally believe that Garnet's statement "The truth is, not everyone deserves that patience" Is, on the SURFACE seemingly saying that Steven trusts people too much and too often. But digging deeper, I feel that it means that, through some unknown reason/method, Steven /KNOWS/ who or whom to trust, even if he doesn't know why. So taking it in that light, Garnet is saying basically: "Not everyone deserves that patience, but YOU seem to know who does."
Could be a plot hole? The episode could have been intended to go along with the other Gems interactions with Peridot episodes, so the future vision would have been accurate at that time? Either way Garnets future vision is rather flawed (As are most things relating to time) and the limits to it are either non-existent or strict. I like to believe she likes needs to actively search out the future with her future vision, which is why she couldnt see Pearl in the first episode of the third bomb. She was actively searching out futures with Peridot and thus was unable to see Pearl because she wasnt looking for her.
Not really a plot hole we already know that what Garnet sees is not 100% what will happen if something small (Ruby saving Sapphy) can change the future.
+Shadow gotsiz Then that makes no sense, its not future vision if its not the future. You could compare it to calculating outcomes and unforeseen events are due to not factoring in possibilities i suppose, but then that doesnt explain how she can use it to track corrupted gems to fight or in the middle of a fight were the least likely attack could happen. It also doesnt explain why she never used it more often in situations were it could have been helpful. The more you look at it its hardly future vision at all.
+Jay Y If she sees all possible outcomes then how can she not predict what will and wont work against homeworld, and was able to be taken out easily when Peridot and Jasper arrived...?
Natboy129 She has to think about it.
+Natboy129 Yeah with future vision she has a few setbacks that depend on the situation, with most Homeworld gems being one track minded it's not hard to predict what will happen. For instance Sapphire understanding what Rose and Pearl would do when they attacked but not that Ruby would defect from her duties. SO it all depends on the individual for instance she knew how Steven would act when he tried the future vision that one episode.
In terms of Peridot I guess she doesn't try to to read to far because up until she defected from Yellow Diamond Garnet only assumed her intentions would be evil. So unless she truly understands the subject, future vision is kinda useless.
Your 3 hypotesis are extremely important for us to understand what was happening on Garnet´s mind when she foresaw the two "main" outcomes after Steven and Navy go to the barn [Garnet seems to have problems with future vision when herself (or just Saphire) is involved]:
1. She knows it is necesary for Navy to take their spaceship NOW to do whatever she needs to do [in order to arrive to a "golden future", or at least have a decent chance to prevent a "total destuction" event like The Cluster].
-> Either because Navy herself would be later the cause for something necesary to happen, or just being an "enabler" for someone else to do it (like Leggy or Eyeball who may remain stuck in space for too long otherwise).
2. Then she would be "...stashing sunglasses through Beach City... in case of Sunlight Emergency" [Pinkie Pie reference].
-> She does not have the patience (or enough memory/understanding) to explore ALL posible timelines; so instead she picks up small things that almost always happens that could be solved (or used for their advantage) by taking simple pre-precautions in the hope that they will pay on later [one of those may be something as simple as "taking out" the spaceship from their control to prevent more "suicidal missions" like the rescue of Greg (Earth needs the Crystal Gems, Greg is expendable)].
3. She keeps finding Navy and/or the other rubies in a critical event of their future no matter what (they are either rescued by someone else or somehow manage to escape); so she wanted to keep Navy under close observation [to better understand her], or let others influence her in a positive way.
-> Because that "fixed point in time" [Doctor Who reference] is so far away & the "Atractor Field of Convergence" (Steins;Gate reference), that is railroading every timeline into it is too complex to unravel or bypass, she allows just things to happen naturally (without trying to "force destiny to bend down" to their Determination like in the Zoo)...
anyone notice that All the diamonds have pearls?
Duh, the Diamonds are the highest of gems and of course they would have pearls
no shit sherlock
+˚ω˚ Jeidyn ˚ω˚ I'm just pointing it out to her
Giancarlo D'Agostino i wasn't talking to you
+Kendra Rossney Pearls are like the primary service gem for Homeworld, I'm guessing all high ranking gems have pearls.
The third option adds a really interesting look at future vision. If Garnet looked at hundreds of outcomes, and regardless of her actions, Peri got stopped, she could predict the tape recorder stuff but nothing else in between. What an interesting mechanic...
i think that Peridot (at first) wanted to be picked up while making the call. But after looking at Steven, she realized that the earth had potential, that's why she only started saying those things at the end.
I think the way Garnet's future vision works is that, using the ship metaphor, she sometimes ends up drifting somewhere that seems at first to have an obvious destination, but instead takes a sudden turn or twist that even she couldn't see coming until it happens.
For example, in Warp Tour: Garnet didn't believe Steven at all, which suggests that the likelihood of him seeing something use the warp was extremely low, enough for her to disregard it. We could translate this as one tiny stream that leads to "Steven is right", and one huge river that appears to lead to "Steven is wrong" but then unexpectedly turns into a waterfall leading directly to "Steven was right and is about to die because no one believed him".
Another way to look at it: everything is settings/characters/elements in a story, and Garnet has complete access to its wiki. This means she has all the information to explore the likelihoods of any possibilities, but she doesn't have all the information memorized at all times (not to mention, new information might be added sometimes). That's why she didn't believe Steven - she knows that he's a Crystal Gem worthy of trust, but she had forgotten it. This might also be why she didn't foresee Pearl betraying her in Cry for Help, because she would have had to actively consider the possibility, and it just didn't occur to her. It's also why Garnet would have no future vision at all of the Cluster until Peridot came along, because that would be information not yet entered into her wiki.
With the wiki metaphor, Garnet knows Peridot's personality and was aware that she would definitely become a Crystal Gem over time if left alone. However, new unexpected elements - the plans for Earth and the communicator - tested Peridot before she had fully developed her understanding of and loyalty to Earth, and thus the outcome was less certain for a little while. This is why Garnet says that no one can predict the future - Garnet sometimes gets complacent when things seem extremely obvious and clear, but there is always the possibility of sudden stray variables that can change everything. Ruby was the first of such, after all.
Well in The Answer it's shown that Garnet can't predict emotions such as Ruby's love so perhaps Peridot's rage or the Crystal Gem's anger was unseen.
Or going back to the 1st option: she saw that Peridot officially joining the gems was more likely to happen, but knew that if she let anyone know or interfered, that she would risk changing the course of events; more or less jeopardizing the chance of her joining the Crystal Gems. And so, while being fairly confident Peridot would join but still feeling a bit uncertain because shit happens; she told Steven that. You must always spread your wisdom when it fits. u.u
May I also suggest a fourth, she looked into the future and in order to effect the best outcome she had to do and say things the way she did. True, Peridot's motivation and the outcome would be clear "pools" however, the secondary actions around them would change alot of things.
This was an emotional journey that she chose not to shelter Steven from. She could have, but how would Steven turn out if she always sheltered him. He has to feel these feelings and grow from them. And it may seem like harsh advice, but put it in the context of "I know it will turn out okay" suddenly she is reinforcing his natural inclination to trust.
Wait a second, in what episode did Garnet "bond" with Peridot? Because I watched the whole series on Dailymotion when I first joined the fandom, and they could have skipped some episodes.
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I think that Garnet foresaw a Fusion with Peridot and something about her being drew Garnet's attention. That fusion that almost happened if not for steven's gift to peridot would have been a combination of Peridot, Ruby, and Sapphire, just imagine the personality of the resulting Fusion of these Gems? This unnamed Gem would combine every strength and weakness of them all, imagine Garnet with Peridot's obsessive pursuit of new information, her relative talkativeness and insensitivity, and her dedication to structures such as Logic, Accuracy, and Diligence? She would be as different from Garnet as Sugilite and Sardonyx are...
Have you or others spoken about Rose's reliance on Garnet's Future Vision in determining the outcomes of events? Like when (young) Greg asked Rose about something and her response was "Oh go ask Garnet, she can tell you the future" or something to that extent. It seemed.. automatic the way she responded, as if her course of actions over centuries on earth have readily been shaped by Garnet's Future Vision.
Also, has anyone spoken about what could have made Pearl a "Renegade"? Sure she's sided with Rose but WHY would she have done so, what caused her unending dedication to Rose's mission to the extent that Pearl'd go against her entire being, turning herself from an intellectual functionary into a disciplined warrior? I think it has something to do with Roseand Steven's ability to heal cracked gems with tears/spit, since it seemed as if Lapis Developed an intense connection to Steven in the same way Pearl felt for Rose.
My idea about future vision, based on episodes like when garnet first transferred it to Steven temporarily, is that the user can see any path into the future, but the only thing that will be different would be what they change. For example, you could use future vision to see an episode of a show that hasn't even been created yet, but even when you get back to reality, and wait like everyone else, the episode will still be the same. Or you could shuffle a deck of cards using an automatic shuffler, and any time you use that exact deck at that time with that shuffler, it will give you the same order of cards.
this is such an interesting video!
I like Number 2, I like the idea that she saw futures where Peridot betrayed and stayed loyal to the Gems, and her bonding with Peridot made her hope that the good futures would be true. I like the idea that she felt hurt by Peridot's initial betrayal, because she felt that Peridot was going down one of the bad futures. I like that it makes her relief and support for Peridot after she betrays Yellow Diamond more meaningful in a way.
Another option: Similar to two is that Garnet was looking into Peridot's future, and there were many branching paths, looking down some lead her to become a great crystal gem, while down others she becomes a great threat to them, perhaps Garnet saw both great good and evil down her future, so she was confused as to which path was being taken, however looking down those paths, she saw that A: Steven would read her recorder and B: that she and Peridot would fuse to become a fierce gem, with Garnet's future vision, and Peridot's ability to understand complex equations, this explains both her thoughts of betrayal, and her thoughts of hope.
Putting this into Garnet's metaphor, the paths that time takes can intersect, creating certain events, certain points where two rivers collide and diverge, that are far more likely than others.
I like the second theory. During the episode where Garnet temporarily gives Steven future vision for the first time, we see that Steven saw numerous different futures based on what actions he took. In that case, Steven, much like Garnet, was able to steer the ship. But, when it comes to Peridot, she can't exactly control the actions of others (Arguably it's kinda the same as in The Answer where Ruby was able to act differently than Sapphire predicted) so there were so many possible outcomes. It could also be a mixture of the second and third. Perhaps there were a couple of timelines where Steven listens to the tape recorder and Peridot wants it back, but it's not so much the tape recorder being a mixed point as a very likely item.
I'm a bit late to watch this video but awesome speculation!
I think it is just as simple as Garnet saw several different possibilities and didn't know which would become reality. Because she didn't know what would exactly happen, she just went with the flow, treating each possibility as if they were going to happen.
i think the second makes the most sense , as for how garnet left that message on the recorder she knew that would happen but that was after peridot became a crystal gem
We've seen that what Garnet sees in part depends on what she's looking for. In Future Vision she pauses before answering Steven's specific questions, as if she's checking, in Cry for Help she couldn't see them fighting Peridot because she was looking for 'the wrong thing,' in The Answer Sapphire didn't predict the fusion and the escape of the rebels because it hadn't occurred to her to look at a future where she was Garnet and not just Sapphire. That's why in Political Power she seems to know no more than Amethyst or Pearl: she can't look at the outcome of Peridot's invasion because she 'doesn't know who or what' will be coming with her.
So she could very well have foreseen the moment where Steven listens to the recorder and gives it back to Peridot, because that future proceeds from elements that are all known to her, WITHOUT being able to see the interaction with Yellow Diamond, because that future proceeded from elements she did not know about--Peridot's intentions and the diamond communicator--and therefore couldn't 'look at.'
While Garnet has kept things she definitely foresaw secret before, I think you're right in that she wouldn't have gone that far if she knew for sure Peridot would come back to them. The second and third theories are both more likely. Its totally possible Garnet knew one and not the other. Or that that log would only be listened to in that version of events. Something. Who knows?
Sapphire does make the comment in the episode when she and Ruby come apart over Pearl's lie, that she saw the future, and that everything was resolved (making it seem like she doesn't care). This makes me agree with you that she does not see what will transpire to a certain events that she can see happening for sure, but what the end result will be. Rivers leading to streams, which lead to pools.
When Garnet said that she controls the mast and the ship, she could have meant that she controls which future they reach because she can make actions based on what she's seen in her visions; this could mean that she doesn't get to explore as many possible futures as she wants, but instead randomly sees some future events and not the events that lead up to them.
I think she eventually knew that she was going to call yellow diamond a ''Clod'' and join the crystal gems, in the recorder, think of this sentence in the perspective of guessing, and hoping that Steven would listen to it, ''Steven stop listening to Peridots recorder, shell want it back'' she is guessing two different possibilities, which is way to risky, what if later she decided she wanted him to listen to it? so she must have known. Watch the episode and watch her behaviour, its so.. Odd, it only makes sense if she knew for certain what the future held.
Its possible that with how relaxed garnet was recently and how close she was getting with peridot, she might not have thought it was necessary.
For the 1st option, she may have withheld it because she may have seen that if she told them, events would turn out differently. They have said in the past a good leader knows what to withhold from their followers, Garnet accepting that there are things that Rose didn't tell them, so withholding what may happen to make sure the best outcome would occur may have seemed best, even if the in between was a little rocky she'd know that it would go back if Peridot did what she foresaw.
Didn't put together that the log dates where before the events of Peridot talking with YD either, so it's cool to see that. As well as the fact Garnet put a message on there before it all happened xD
her future vision could be effected by how well she knows the individuals involved in the event, if she knows them well she can predict there actions and the results but since she knew very little about paridot, she saw all possible actions she could take
I think it might be the second option, though there is something about Garnet's ability that I'd like to point out: Inside here, there seems to be this ongoing conflict between Sapphire's fatalism and blind belief in the future's she sees and Ruby's impulsiveness and desire to constantly have an effect on the present. So on the one hand, Garnet believes in her visions a lot, on the other hand she constantly wants to change them around. Since Ruby and Sapphire are like interlocked, mingling aspects of her personality within Garnet, I find it also possible that she was aware that Peridot was going to join them, but the impulsive part of her that tends to doubt her visions was fully convinced that moment she must have made a mistake, because she could find no other explanation for Peridot taking the communicator than to betray them. I know, Garnet is more than just Ruby and Sapphire piloting a love mech together, but even if you consider them aspects of Garnet in a psychological sense, this really does feel like Ruby's proneness of jumping to conclusions and holding grudges outruling Sapphire's blind faith in the future.
Based off the idea of the first & third option: what if she saw peridot's future talking to yellow diamond, but didn't see the events leading to it and/or peridot's reasoning for doing so? I'm also assuming future vision may be visual only, so you can only see actions in the future but not have the exact context. Even if someone can see the future, I'd assume there could be different ways to look at it. It also may not explain someone's thought process leading up to the event, after all, it's future vision, not mind-reading.
Future Vision options could be: 1) Peridot may talk to Yellow Diamond to save the Earth, 2) Peridot may talk to Yellow Diamond to talk about her locations, or 3) Peridot may be acting as an agent for Yellow Diamond.
So, it would actually make sense in the best case scenario to just leave a recording. In worst case, it wouldn't hurt, and one of the other crystal gems would likely find it and get the context.
well, it's not just one future, there are a bunch load of how that moment could have played out. she sees possible futures, not absolute. she could have known that peridot would certain events happened.
Remember though, when we first learned about Garnet's future vision it was stated that she sees "possibilities" not a 100% certain timeline. If that were so, she would've known Jasper would've defused her when she attacked, or about Stevonnie and etc. she saw a possibility of Peridot betraying the Gems(most likely) but it was/is never certain.
I assume that early on, Garnet saw so many futures in which Peridot betrayed everyone that Ruby could only respond in anger, and that Sapphire left the message in hope, but could only watch. She could not change Peridot's future, she could only influence her, and that was AFTER the big event took place.
Option 4: Garnet's statement may not have been referring to Peridot at all, but perhaps the Diamonds instead - all of whom are allegedly set in their ways to the point of refusing any potential means or results that differ from their goals of expanding their Gem empire.
When describing future vision, Garnet also says that she "steers the boat" So much like people creating multiple plans and testing them out, she can test the metaphorical waters of the future. She may know the future just as a sailor knows the sea. Well enough to sail, but not enough to know the exact details of the journey.
Has anyone else noticed that at 4:43 with subtitles on it says 'rape recorder' instead of 'tape recorder'?
I just noticed that Garnet adjusts/grabs her glasses after explaining future vision and when she's frustrated about Peridot evading it. I'm not sure how that's relevant, but I guess it lets us know when she uses it.
There's also the possibility that the first one did happen, however that Garnet's statement to Steven was not about Peridot at all, but towards another gem, very possible either Yellow Diamond or Jasper.
I think that The Answer tells us volumes about future vision. Sapphire pre-fusion was given a path and followed it. Her whole life laid before her, and she was going to live the whole thing without making a single decision.
Then other people start making plans based upon Sapphire's future vision, and the visions fragment under the weight of something akin to the grandfather paradox. Ruby integrating with Sapphire has put a being that cannot help but react to what it sees in direct contact with future sight, and Sapphire's vision becomes at best a look at probabilities, fluttering between possible futures even as Garnet approaches making a decision.
I imagine it's a terrifying freedom for Sapphire.
Attempting to share her visions in detail with the others would compound the instability of the future, and probably render Sapphire nearly blind to what was coming. I think she saw a couple semi-stable possibilities where recording such a message would be relevant, and went ahead with it. I imagine that for Garnet, any forseen future that relies on Steven being both nosy and caring is a pretty safe bet.
That 'moment' between Garnet trying to get Peri to understand whatever, and when they were about to fuse, I was literally screaming "THEYRE GONNA FUSE THEYRE GONNA FUSEEEEE". Then, of course, they didn't, and I, and probably many other people, were left disappointed.
I'm glad someone gets the whole future vision thing, a lot of people act like it's a writing flaw that Garnet can't predict more events, but it's obviously not that simple.
I think #2 is the most likely -- Garnet couldn't be sure of what Peridot would do, but recorded the message in the hopes of the best outcome, much like in the episode "Future Vision" how she sees that Steven could end up hurting himself if she told him about future vision but chose to tell him anyway in the hopes he would come to understand.
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I think an argument can be made that Garnet's future vision can be very vague for the most part and that it must take a conscious effort in order for her to really zero in on any particular possibility. I feel like anytime she's ever used future vision and given advice about what's going to happen, she has been looking into the future very deliberately. I definitely think it can be said that she doesn't always use it and that it's more of a switch she can flip on and off instead of just a steady stream of ideas and outcomes.
everytime Peridot calls yellow diamond a clod I still think it's awesome it never gets old to me
I think she saw two possible endings; one in which Peridot joined the gems, or the other where she sided with homeworld that diverged when Peridot was talking to Yellow Diamond. When Steven brought the communicator, she might have been convinced that Peridot was going to side with homeworld. She may not be able to see all of the events leading up to the outcomes, but relies on inference for that. The reason I think the outcomes diverged when Peridot called Yellow Diamond is that she made a split decision right then and there. It could have gone either way since Peridot is very impulsive and doesn't tend to think ahead, causing a split in the timeline. Also there's a small chance that her future sight may not be 100% accurate, since we saw what happened when Ruby caused Sapphire and herself to completely jump off the timeline Sapphire saw when speaking to Blue Diamond.
I know this is a year old, but I just watched that string of episodes and forgot that parts of Log Date actually occur before It COuld've Been Great.
If I understand future vision correctly, I definitely think your thoughts 2 and 3 are both plausible, though like you I'm leaning towards 2 as being the most plausible. It's as you said - future vision, especially Garnet's future vision, has many different paths that she can follow, with an outcome being a small as a lake or as large as a river. I think there were multiple paths with Peridot - some with her choosing the CGs, some choosing HW. The ones for the CGs probably did have an instance where Steven listened to the recording and gave it back.
BUT I also think Garnet didn't foresee the actual events that took place, meaning she only knew the outcomes of either or, but the actual event combined Peridot seemingly turning to HW, but she was actually taking a stance ala the CGs. That's why she tells Steven was she does and why she's equally upset by Peridot turning on them and WHY when Peridot is talking to Yellow Diamond, she's just as surprised when Peridot stands up for the Earth. She never saw the possibilities combine into a positive.
I think that,since garnet didn't know about the diamons moon station she couldn't see the possibilities that included them going to the moon, when they went there possibilities for the future, changed and since their arrival there she didn't stop to see what was going to happen next, so everything that happened on "message received " was new to garnet and she reacted like that, like didn't know what was going to happen
In Garnets backstory, Saphire did not expect the course of events to change cause she didn't consider how love could turn events. Even though she is a master of the subject now, maybe turns like this are still hard to predict, causing her to change her mind around a bit...
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you can see in her vision one river splits then rejoins a little while down, steven listening to the recorder was at a higher chance and but there are many ways to get to the same place
I believe it's probably closer to option 2. Garnet likely saw several possible outcomes, including one where she turns on Homeworld and joins the Crystal Gems and was taking steps to push things in that direction. Logdate 7 15 2 doesn't just show Garnet predicting Steven would listen to Peridot's logs, but also shows Garet showing up to give Peridot positive and negative feedback to her actions. She's not outright manipulating Peridot but she's encouraging her to explore the new things on Earth and become attached to them, to see Earth's beauty and worth and even understand the Crystal Gems better. But, even with all that it's still all up to Peridot, Garnet can't control her and in the end it's her choices who will decide the future.
When he was talking was talking about Steven Bomb 3, I think she had already new that Pearl pull betray or "use" Garnet for fusion in the future because when Steven and Garnet were watching Crying Breakfast Friends, she gave a grin when Steven said that if she would have forgivin her but she didn't give a response to the question. Once Amethyst and Steven found out what Pearl was doing, Garnet was mad and lashed out then chose not to forgive her. I think she had already new what Pearl was doing to do
As she can see futures that branch out, she can also see what it takes to get to such futures. (We can see this with how Steven got to actually live through different events in great detail, when Garnet momentarily passed the power onto him.) Perhaps she acted the way she did, because her actions are what guaranteed a higher outcome of having Peridot move to their side. By my theory, she keeps her calm, cool, and collected self, as she does what she thinks is best for both this world, and the team. "I won't let you hurt my planet; I won't let you hurt my friends!" It seems she values those the most. Perhaps Peridot is even better off because of the decisions she made. (Peridot would likely have suffered at the Yellow Diamond's hands for failure at the hands of the Crystal Gems, since the YD doesn't seem like a rational fellow.) Garnet "steers the ship", remember? Perhaps acting certain ways is her way of steering down a path that's best for all. That's my take on it, at least.
I think Garnet tries to intefere the less she can with what's currently going on, 'cause if she does interfere things may go a complete different way than she saw, and she could only have like seconds to do something about it.
If she interfered into Peridot trying to send the message to YD, that could cause the third hypotheses you considered. But she chose to stay put.