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Andy, All of this is great good clean fun and is a healthy, spirited way for music lovers to share opinions. The time, trouble, and energy you've put into sharing your knowledge and views are all worth it, and more! Many thanks!
For me, the value of lists is to hear the compiler’s reasoning. I find it useful to find out about other bands, rather than reinforce my current tastes.
Yes...exactly
Exactly
It’s a good list Andy. Don’t let ‘em give you any crap.
It’s crap 😮
@@robinfereday6562 you think it’s a crap list ? Do you have a better crap list ?
@@Hartlor_Tayley no mines crap as well 👍
@@robinfereday6562 lol. As is mine.
Some people don't seem to make the difference between a popular band or just a band they like and an influential band.
No..its strange.....
60's bands has the advantage of being first. Band-based Rock 'n' Roll was a blank slate.
Anthony, I am late to the party discovering your content but I have to say that I find you one of the most interesting people out there. I look forward to reviewing all of your content. Thank you
Punk Floyd, of course, was the band Dirk McQuigley formed after the Rutles broke up.
Oh! -- we get peanuts thrown at us by "The Ruthlessly Rude"!
Can't deny it, Cream changed the whole scene
That’s a tough challenge to list the 10 most important bands, but I think you nailed it.
Love the long form vids Andy. That was spot on, many thanks.
Good list, Andy! Here's mine, in no specific order:
- The Beatles
- The Rolling Stones
- The Doors
- CCR
- Led Zeppelin
- Pink Floyd
- Black Sabbath
- Deep Purple
- The Sex Pistols
- The Police
Honorable mentions:
- Yes
- Genesis
- Jethro Tull
- The Beach Boys
- Nirvana
- The Who
- The Mothers
- The Velvet Underground
- Roxy Music
- Metallica
- Rage Against the Machine
- Soundgarden
I was surprised by CCR being listed as the fourth most Influential band ever but they might have influenced alot of 1980s and later Country bands, as well as some Rock bands.
@@Birdlives247 I didn't list my top 10 in any specific order, so CCR is not my fourth most influential band. Also, the video title talks about the most "important" bands, which to me is not necessarily the most influential. They need not have influenced other bands in order to be important, in my view. It could just be about the effect they had on fans and listeners. For instance, Journey and Foreigner were important bands because they had so many hits and sold so many records, but neither was exactly groundbreaking or influence other bands, at least none that I could name. Conversely, The Velvet Underground never had a big hit that I can recall, but they were important precisely because they influenced so many other musicians. I know it's a subtle distinction but I think it matters.
No Clash, list no good
@@dennishayes9596 The Clash isn't even in my top 30. I never thought they were that good or important.
No rush?
I think part of the problem with the list was that he did not define the term “important”. Does a band have to be massively influential to be important? What if a band essentially provided the soundtrack for WW II? What if a band was massively influential in their time but mainstream tastes changed twenty years later? What if a band was immensely commercially successful but not many modern bands mention them as an important influence? How about if a band sparked a major social change or movement but didn’t leave behind much of a musical legacy? What if a band mentored many famous musicians but their music was not extremely influential? What if a band sparked major changes in recording technology or changed common practices in the music industry but their music has fallen out of vogue?
I could go on but I am sure my point is obvious.
👍 Well Said
Well said, but the main reasoning behind being labeled "important" would be the influence an artist has during their creative peak. All of the bands Andy listed were game changers, they produced music that took from previous artists and injected copious amounts of their own creativity and talent and escalated the music to a whole new level, creating songwriting, sonics, styles that literally leaped from the speakers! Even if hugely influential for a given time period, important music must reset the boundaries, define it's time, and connect deeply with fans and other musicians. An "important" band, the MOST important bands leave a huge mark on the history of rock and roll, as every band Andy mentioned are often sited by other musicians (and fans) as world changing, shifting the culture.
You may be over thinking it.
@@Hartlor_Tayley Considering that most people are guilty of "underthinking", it's a refreshing change of pace.
@@Erschophone actually I agree and the key is the word Important so good point made.
I always think of Derrick May's quote, the Detroit Techno pioneer, who said of his music; 'It's like George Clinton and Kraftwerk are stuck in an elevator with only a sequencer to keep them company.'
Andy, I love hearing you wittering on for an hour!
Or more! Preferably much more!🍺
I like the longer videos. Not everything needs to be bite-sized. I walk away from every one of your videos feeling just a little bit smarter than I was before.
The other strike against The Beach Boys is that Pet Sounds was basically a Brian Wilson solo record backed by the Wrecking Crew
So? Does that mean it doesn't exist? It therefore can't be a great record?
This lis is about most influential BANDS not albums @@andyallan2909
Not true,Carl,Brian & Dennis played on some of the tracks,when they returned from Japan.The band sung beautifully,so just as important as the music.
With The Beach Boys, it's the vocal harmonies, they were magic and have never been bettered! Those voices combined to create a monumental part of pop music, Brian's arranging of the different vocal tones was, is, and will always be astounding!
The unquestioned truth behind the greatness of the Beach Boys is in the vocals, the vocal harmonies are a thing of beauty, consistently brilliant vocal arrangements from Brian, creating a force all its own. I would have to say that The Beach Boys harmony vocals have never been equaled, and are absolutely timeless!
I love a good musical rant. Don't aim for the 10 minute video. Don't worry about what people want. Rock and roll.
I'm glad I found your channel, Andy.
Your videos are quality. I've been working my way backwards musically for the past 20 years but wasn't sure where to go. Your magnificent musical insight has helped me discover so many unknown delights.
It is strange that the standard of musicianship has never been so high, but the quality of the output so poor.. keep up the great work Andy!!
You had to read the Guardian? You have my sympathies.
I was hoping that little dig would pass unnoticed. I don't want to be accused of being a Trump supporting, alt right racist islamophobe
What's wrong with the Guardian? Better that than the Daily Hate.
@@AndyEdwardsDrummer It's not so bad once you get used to it. Joe Biden lies much worse, he's just better at it.
@@suartgilmour4540 Listen to former employee, Melanie Phillips, speak about The Guardian.
@@JB-ti7bl the woman who on question time denied there was a famine happening in Gaza?? Deranged if not down right evil comments.
I can’t agree more with your inclusion of Cream. Yes the roots of Prog, Fusion and Metal are most definitely with this innovative and incredible band.
Cream probably sold a million FM radios and stereos in 1967-68. That's influential!
When were you born? I was born in 1964 and have noticed that it really helps to have lived through a band coming onto the scene to have an idea what they meant at the time. Most music on the radio at any particular time is terrible so when anything new and really good comes along it really stands out. I can't really get into any of this music from the 60s even though I can appreciate how good it is. To me it sounds dated (groovy hippy wow) and the recording quality is a deal breaker. The Beatles were so over produced that most of their songs sound like novelty songs to me. I can listen to them once a decade. The most amazing music from the late sixties and early seventies are the radio hits. One hit wonders and whatnot. Black Sabbath's sound has aged the least of anybody. Led Zepplin's sound quality is a deal breaker. Even their remasters sound terrible. Maybe if I'd been born 10 or 15 years earlier I'd have a different perspective.
1 beatles 2 kraftwerk 3 pink floyd 4 rolling stones 5 black sabbath 6 the cure 7 velvet underground 8 the doors 9 beach boys 10 the damned
The Cure …. Yeah that’s an inspired choice. Very underrated in their influence, I feel Joy Division have sort of usurped them in many ways, as in being the big post punk/ new wave/art rock British progenitor.
My personal history links me to The Cure so my gut goes with them.
Love The Damned. And they're still going strong after all these years.
@@davidparmet603 how much i love the pistols and john lydon output. But the damned created a whole universe and several breakthrough LPs.
Your list is fine, but you have to defend them; provide evidence for their inclusion on the list. Andy always tries to present evidence; not just his opinion.
Andy, when I listened to your first list I had no problems - but I wanted to hear your explanations to ensure that you were really living up to the notion of "importance" without injecting them with your personal faves. But your explanations were fair and you tried to adhere to the standard you set. If we could all discuss music without pushing our personal faves the conversation would be so much more interesting. I enjoyed the further context of this video, including the Pink Floyd versus The Who comparison...though I might have given the nod to Pink Floyd it's close there, and since The Who also put forth a groundbreaking concept album, it does seem like a coin flip. I was hoping you'd touch on The Doors. I'm not sure they are in the ten most influential bands, nor are they in my top ten favorites, but damn, in the end, pun intended I think they are going to loom as pretty damned important to speaking to the darkness underneath the momentous societal changes their times were steeped in. Alas, the darkness may have prevailed more than we ever wanted. Other bands have spoke to social unrest and protest, but for the heart of darkness that seems entwined with the light, and the sensual joy that always seems potent near the abyss, I probably have The Doors right at the edge of that list. 10 or maybe 11. I can see how they wouldn't have satisfied your criteria but I was hoping you'd get to them in this follow-on vid....great work regardless.
I agree completely. The Doors are very important.
Honestly I like your list a lot given the reasoning behind it. That said, I do think that The Who should be much higher. A case could be made that they are the primary influence, aesthetically at least, for hard rock, heavy metal and punk. Not to mention power pop and aspects of alternative. They transcend any one influence really. Just my take.
Why are people so passionate about your opinion? I’m like whatever, it’s your opinion and that’s fine.
Most people think their own opinions are facts unfortunately
I agree with you that the commenters need to chill, but Andy just flat out rejecting Pink Floyd being on the list instead of saying that in his opinion, they shouldn’t be on the list doesn’t sit well with me
Because he acts like it matters.
@@pretorious700 I'd say he's acting like he hopes you might be interested, not that it matters as such
@mikeydflyingtoaster - True. Reminds me of how people can’t distinguish between “best” and “favorite” when they talk about *anything*
Your answers to the comments are done with good grace and humour. I think your assessment is very good and you have argued the reasons for your choices very well. There will, of course, be other opinions about the inclusion or exclusion of this or that band, but your choices as learned as any out there. Well done Andy.
I'd say The Doors were pretty influential. You always seem to minimise The Beach Boys and only ever mention Pet Sounds. What about Surf's Up ?. The Beach Boys were actually a big influence on The Ramones, Weezer, Fleet Foxes and even the Beatles themselves. Paul McCartney is also on record as saying: "God Only Knows" is the greatest song ever written and he cries every time he hears it. Keith Moon was also a massive Beach Boys fan and actually wanted to be their drummer but Dennis was the drummer so it wasn't possible. Enjoyable video as ever Andy.
Nice! So true, well put! The Beach Boys vocal magic ALONE, puts them among the greats! Those otherworldly vocal harmonies, combined with amazing melodies..... I think people get too caught up in the earliest material ( which I like a lot ) and don't take into account the growth and leap in song structures and melodies during their middle period. Sure, there was some subpar, crap released in later years, but can't let that completely diminish the brilliance of Brian and co. many musical treasures! Surfs Up is majestic, music at its zenith! Great comment!
Yeah, I made a 10 through 20 list and left both The Doors and The Beach Boys off of it - ooops!
Apparently The Beach Boys were a major influence of Kraftwerk (wikipedia).
Excellent list! First time I've heard one so well thought out. Very compelling. Your vast knowledge is amazing. I loved your version of "Eternity's breath" from the top prog album video!.
Your a breath of fresh air on TH-cam!
Keep up the great work!
Cheers from Australia.
Really enjoy your videos Andy. I don't always agree, but I always learn something and it's all subjective. Hope you do a list of obscure bands someday. I only discovered The Creation the other day, wow!
Great suggestion!
Sorry to disappoint you, but I like your list
I love your commentary, Mr. Edwards.
May I make a request? I'd like to hear what you have to say about Tom Waits.
Nothing in defense of excluding The Byrds and/or The Band, both of which bandified the “folk rock” of Dylan as well as launching what has become “Americana”? Hard to underrate their influence (even, if to a lesser degree, on your side of the pond), an influence that continues to the present.
An American perspective would yield a different list sure.
I immediately thought of The Byrds and The Band, both monumentally important bands, TRUE bands, with collective brilliance!
@@Hartlor_Tayley Yes, but Andy was not limiting himself to British bands (though I think 7 of his 10 most important bands were British). His title was 10 most important bands (which he defined in terms of their influence) in history. An American perspective would clearly have included the Beatles and the Stones, and a few other of his British picks, but he seems to be unaware or, perhaps, dismissive of two of the most acclaimed American bands in rock history. I just wanted to understand his reasoning for that.
@@buck13horn I agree, Andy was unbiased but one can only experience what’s available to them so everyone’s coming from a different place. I think the word important is key, some bands were important for different reasons so it’s really hard to weigh it all. Louis Armstrong, Chuck Berry, theBeatles beyond that it gets murkier. So if it’s Bands only then it’s the Beatles +9. I would have included the Band. Those live festival rock bands were great but most of that didn’t translate well on records.
I would agree with Beatles, Stones, ( definitely) Cream, etc , but, where's Zappa, where's King Crimson ( massively original and stylistically ground breaking). Where's Joy Division, The Kinks ( arguably embryonic Punk " Dead End Street" songs Like that). I could also ask about the original Alice Cooper band bringing "schlock horror theatre and soundtrack to the world ( completely different to Bowie's theatricals but just as important). Syd Barrett's Pink Floyd were also extremely influential with psychedelic light shows and "spacey sounds", live songs that went on forever. ( Interstellar Overdrive lasting over an hour at one live gig in London). Then there's individuals like Brian Eno, Terry Riley, Bowie. Krautrock bands like Can and Cluster. All massively influential on music of their era. May not have had "the PR exposure" that they deserved but their influence is ( in my opinion) undeniable.
At the end of the day though, Music is a subjective beast and you could start citing Satie, Cage, Stockhausen as influencing the influencers.
However, the 2 glaring omissions which you should perhaps reconsider are King Crimson and Syd Barrett's Pink Floyd with the emphasis on Crimson. With both of those bands there was nothing like them before them and the influence they had on other bands is possibly immeasurable. For me, personally, King Crimson have been the most important band since The Beatles. But, that IS very subjective.
No problem with the list. Personally, I would have put Deep Purple in there somewhere as they have invented speed metal with Fireball in 1971 and of course Ritchie Blackmore inspired the whole neo-classical guitar movement. In 1993, musicologist Robert Walser defined him as "the most important musician of the emerging metal/classical fusion". As a result, he is credited as a precursor of the so-called "guitar shredders" that emerged in the mid-1980s.
Rake, boy that "speed metal" sure is popular!
Those hard rock spots are taken by Zep and Sabbath. Would you have Deep Purple higher on list than those two?
@@DAVYMACThrash metal only seems to be popular in my house, my neighbors just don't share my love for the sensitive and deeply romantic stylings of Overkill and Testament.
Very entertaining, Andy. You ARE getting better!
Not a bad list. Personally mine would probably be as follows (not strictly in order):
1. The Beatles
2. Led Zeppelin
3. Pink Floyd
4. Steely Dan
5. The Doors
6. The Rolling Stones
7. The Who
8. The Velvet Underground
9. U2
10. Roxy Music
Good list but I'd argue that U2 were heavily influenced by Simple Minds and copied their sound.
@@SmartCookie2022 Simple Minds were the band that U2 wish they could have been. They eclipse u2 sound by light years. And Jim Kerr had a masculine presence that Bono couldn't even attempt.
Both were fantastic in their own way but I get why people may prefer one over the other. Simple Minds had more experimental, electronic beginnings, U2 more new wave rock. Not that it ended up that way! Both influenced many modern bands in some form.
My mom (born 1930) went to her grave never having heard of the Ramones. She sure as fuck had an opinion on the Sex Pistols though. The level of notoriety they achieved in the general public consciousness is hard to overstate. There are a whole bunch of Ramones and Clash fans my age who never would have heard those bands if it wasn't for the Pistols.
Funny - I sound like your age, and The Clash are mentioned more often than the Sex Pistols. But agree on the Ramones, nowhere near as influential as those two
Live where? And has she heard of Velvet or Kraftwork? Or what does it meeeaaan boyo? Were you around when the Ramones made that tour of England before the hail days of Johnny and his clothiers? Did the Pistols distill Communication Breakdown before the Ramones showed them how ; ) Punk in NYC was cranking before Johnny got his decor
That a good point
I love the video and the channel Andy, but one tiny correction if I may. They weren't "put together by Andy Warhol". They were already a band. He introduced Nico.
I should have said 'championed by' shouldnt I ?
@@AndyEdwardsDrummer Yeah that would be perfect. Great channel man. And I don't even listen to PROG.
I have seen Nico play in Hyde Park, London UK. Back in the 1970s. She was amazing.
They were already a band, but Andy Warhol put together their cool ethos
@@geoffreycanie4609 I'm not sure how you would quantify something like that. He hired them to be house band and backed their album. They did the rest themselves
Andy, I do like your wittering, it's great fun
First riff my friends and I learned was Interstellar Overdrive, by the Pink something or other. Followed by Sunshine of your luv - L.U.V.
Great video as always. A few others for consideration, Doors, Talking Heads, the Band. I can hear you saying "not as influential as the others." I guess if that is the sole metric, but there are a lot of other variables to look at. Some of the ones you mention fall in the category of "musician's musician," important, influential, sure but popularity should count too I think
Michael Collins, arguably the most important member of the Apollo 11 crew. Without him, Armstrong and Aldrin may not have got back. Does everyone know who he is? No.
Like Chuck berry’s piano player
Love your list & love the video thanks. I must listen to more Sabbath!
The first 6 Sabbath albums are epic
I think I would switch the Velvets with The Doors. They both hold a similar 'outsider/ rebelious' infamy, but I would suggest the Doors managed to do so on a much broader level
You're spending too much time justifying a very good list. People seem to confuse "popular" and "important".
As an impossible task I think your list is pretty bang on, my only surprise ommission would be Radiohead, it could be said that Thom Yorke dominated this band but I'd say the band were more than the sum of their very substantial parts
Arguably great, but not nearly as broad an influence as others on this list.
I think their influence will be revealed over an extended period. Andy is probably right not to include them at this moment,( the influence will have been over musicians rather than cultural impact).
fantastic list - you definitely know your stuff
Buddy Holly! Andy's got "the olds!"
When people are amazed that there are people who put Kraftwerk on a level with The Beatles: the internet is full of information as to why this is the case. (Unfortunatly)
Why can't people understand influence not popularity. Very few influencing bands are super popular aside from the Beatles. You make alot of sense.
You don't deserve any negative commentary about these choices. The channels that do deserve negative commentary are those who operate within strict musical parameters or paradigms. Those who misconstrue or under-value sub-genres leave music lovers out in the cold. You cover just about everything that is significant and don't leave anyone feeling dispossessed. Cheers.
Interesting list Andy Agree with you re the Beachboys Pet Sounds never understood why some people said it was the greatest album ever made just didn't get it even the cover was a bit limp !!! But music is so subjective which makes it so interesting, if we all liked the same music what a boring world it would be I always felt Van Der Graff was very influential anyway keep the videos coming Andy 😊
You are so right on the Beach Boys. Where this retrospective genius thing came from is exactly as you explained it. To be honest, I never remember the Beatles being treated with as much holy deference as they are now. Maybe in America perhaps, but not in Britain.
A well thought out list. I have absolutely no problem with Cream, they were inspirational for me as were particularly Clapton’s future iterations like Derek and the Dominos. I think the Sex Pistols vs The Ramones is just a reflection of your British bias. Thats not a negative, we all have biases. Nirvana saved music in their time period. I have a North American bias so I would probably have put in a reflection of the West Coast Sound like CSN&Y, Buffalo Springfield, Poco or my favourite Flying Burrito Brothers. You may not appreciate their style or musicianship but they do combine important cultural aspects of country, Americana, Rock into a distinct laid back LA sound that was influential in the early to mid 70’s.
Absolutely hilarious Andy! I actually don't have a horse in this race because there are a lot of rock bands on this list that I never paid much attention to (just not my cup of tea) so I really can't judge their importance, but I think you did a great job at delineating their influence. I'm not at all "butt hurt" that some of my favorite rock bands (e.g. Little Feat or the Blasters or the Band etc.) are not on the list because I realize they are not nearly as influential as some of those you listed. I'm a little surprised that a gaggle of Deadheads didn't descend on you; Grateful Dead fans will always assert that this was the greatest thing that ever happened in the history of the world. I was a bit of a fan back in the day (late 60s, early 70s) and still have a soft spot in my heart for what they were trying to do, but sadly it didn't always work.
Andy's absolutely correct about the importance of Kraftwerk and Velvet Underground - the only way you can't be aware of this is if your musical knowledge is restricted to classic rock and prog, as he says. If you know anything about indie/punk/post-punk/electronic/grunge/underground/alternative music etc, you wouldn't make this kind of comment. It's like denying the influence of sunlight on plants.
If you're looking wider than rock'n'roll, and looking at 'bands' that influenced musicians, Nick Drake deserves a mention.
Andy I believe that your choices are spot on !! And quite beyond a subjective opinion. The pushback is subjective , unreflective and biased. Keep up your ever so informed TH-cam music appreciation classes
Great list, not mine but well-argued!
Love The Sonics watching over your shoulder! If one grew up in the Pacific Northwest (as I did), those guys are baked into SO much that came out of Seattle/Tacoma in the grunge era (or elsewhen). I got to play with three of them on a big gig twenty years or so ago, which I'll always cherish.
Hey Bruce 👍🏻
The Sonics are better than half the bands that guy put in his top 10 list. Nice he showed off the album cover, but it would have been much better to include the band on the top 10 list over bloated behemoths like Cream, Sabbath, Zeppelin and The Who.
As many have said, obviously didn't read all thousand+ comments, and found it well thought out and defended. I am curious where you might rate The Band?. In some of the reading I've done, they were credited with ending the power trio era and ushering in a roots/americana sound (yeah, most were Canadians). Again, well done my friend.
I don't think you bang on. Im sick of the quick grab pace. I like your in depth approach. People don't have any attention span. Keep up the good work.thankyou.
may I say, you reach out to us with sound knowledge and great sense of humor, much appreciated! also I'm a great fan of Kraftwerk, and hear their music reflect in others every day, Depesche mode is just one example, just got one question in mind: where they really a band BAND ? because I know they had many changes of line up...
I don't want just your 10 min or less list. I want to know the why and a lot of it.
The most important bands were those comprised of session musicians attached to or hired by the various studios whether in Hollywood ,Abbey Road or Muscle shoals
The Stooges and MC5 much more than the Pistols who were totally manufactured.
Yeah. Cream. When I saw Cream at the Fillmore in August, 1967, I was seriously impressed by the musicianship and the intensity of the performance. It was basically jamming on blues-type material, and they were amazing in their ability to keep it interesting with just their three instruments. The thing is, I'd already seen the Grateful Dead do some intricate, extended blues/jazz/folk-based improvisations with a lot more instrumental interplay to listen to; and Jerry Garcia's guitar was just as pretty-sounding. I was never a "Deadhead", but I've seen that the Grateful Dead have been a major continuing influence on lots of rock that's still being played today- just as much as Nirvana, or The Velvet Underground.
I think you’re right about Kraftwerk’s influence. The issue is that they influenced a mountain of 80s synth-pop crap, rather than the pretty decent rock represented by the rest of the list.
Hey, steady on! I loved me some 80’s synth-pop and still do. A lot!
You can go back even further to Oscillations by the Silver Apples or earlier with experimental synth works by Morton subotnik and others. There were numerous electronica hits like Popcorn by Hot butter and other more Novelty type singles but Kraftwerk really nailed it with Autobahn and shortly thereafter Moroders disco like works, I mean that whole electronica was bound to happen regardless.
Only in the same way the Beatles influenced the Troggs, Status Quo or even Take That.
There was rubbish synth stuff but there was also some fantastic and creative stuff that wasn’t going to come out of rock at that point.
Led Zep influenced a whole load of godawful bands
@@menshevik1012 that’s true. It didn’t come out of rock and roll.
Good list, and I get why Krafwerk rates so high, even if they're far less known, at least in the US, compared to some of the others. I would have put The Velvet Undergroud higher, though, as I think they're one of those bands that had a really broad influence on bands that often sound very different from one another. There's the whole droning thing that they do which you can hear in al kinds of post-punk kinds of stuff and in the guitar work of one of the most sucessful bands of the last 50 years, U2. Then there's the ultra-reckless, barely contained squal of the White Light/White Heat era of VU, which comes out in noise rock stuff like Sonic Youth. REM and lots of more gentle, "chimey" kinds of guitar bands that are considered to be "indie rock" took inflience from the sound of the 3rd, self tittled VU album... so their influence is vast, at least as much as Kraftwerk, I would say, and as much as Black Sabbath influenced heavy music (far more than Led Zep, I would say).
Cream is rated too high, I think. Though they certainly had some influence, I think they were in many ways very similar to Jimi Hendrix's group, though less collectively brilliant and ultimately less influential.
When Nirvana came on the scene I realized rock music was dying. Wierd Al was right. A garage band from Seattle… at best.
When Nevermind first started getting played on the radio I thought it was Megadeath or something (I'd never heard Megadeath, that just would have been my best guess). I was blown away by how heavy it sounded. Like Metallica before them.
Your clip made me think about another interesting topic: the different archetypes of bands.
I think it's a very good list b/c all points are well thought out, and pondered. I agree that Pink Floyd probably does not need to be on this list. Massively successful, I am just not sure they spawned as much as the others from the list
I do think U2 and the Police are very close contenders. Van Halen too. These acts all created something much bigger than themselves.
I know you are not a big fan of the Stones, but I think they take 2nd place only to the Beatles. They literally created the blueprint for every stylish band, story-line, life style, look.
The only thing that jumped out to me was Gilmour-Clapton. Listen to Wish you were here and Animals Albums. The Guitar Solos in particular. Then listen to Clapton on The Pros and Cons of Hitch hiking. I've been playing Guitar for 40 years. Clapton is a great blues player. Gilmour on "Animals" is transcendent. In my opinion there is no comparison. None at all.
Very interesting. Thanks for the video.
Enjoyed that 😁👍. Loved the Englishness of the kinks lyrics.
The last comment from 12hrs ago referenced how important the spice girls are in terms of the musical landscape...so I had to collect myself. It takes all kinds Andy. Your list reflects your life experiences. Yes the list has a lot of bands from the UK. As a musician you know everyone borrows or steals :)...and a 10 band list is a very challenging task. I have the advantage of being American and growing up in the Philadelphia and New York city area, but also spending three of my teenage years in London. Don't listen to the twats that say you speak too long. That's who you are and I appreciate your rich conversational style. If they don't enjoy it please move on and explore the vast world of internet opinions. I enjoy your channel and would absolutely love to sit down over a couple pints and talk music. Keep your chin up Andy I have never not enjoyed one of your discussions.
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Listening to Cream in 1969 changed my life. I have been a music obsessive ever since. Cream's influence on music as a whole is unquantifiable.
I saw Cream's 4th to the last show in November(?), 1968 in Philadelphia. There's an interview with Clapton saying that show was especially enjoyable because they were really tight musically. I was 16 and I didn't notice. And the stage rotated, which is a stupid way to hear music.
What is a list without some discussion, and some controversy, after all that's what makes discussing art and culture fun.
Great job with the list Andy. Anyone who pays attention to your videos and commentary must know that this list was NOT based on your personal tastes.
Keep on educating good sir. It is most appreciated. Cheers.
It's a musical education watching your vids. Challenges my preconceived ideas and encourages me to broaden my taste and listening experience. Thank you.
From an article Ramones and the UK
"I think we can safely say that the Ramones were a huge influence on the emerging UK punk scene. Punk in the US at the time was limited to around a hundred people hanging out at CBGB's and straddling everything from Talking Heads to the Ramones. About the only thing that linked them together was Punk magazine and that only loosely. They were only really known in New York. The first Ramones album stiffed at around no 100 in the billboard chart. The brudders pumped out single after classic catchy single and again watched each one stiff.
The thing is we are raw energy. We always are. We always will be. We Like energy. Tommy Ramone
Like so many other bands the Ramones were being ignored in America. Not so in the UK. Positive critical feedback to their debut album and performances led them to come over to the UK for the July 4th 1976 Roundhouse gig and Dingwalls. A full tour in early 1977 as UK Punk rock was gaining momentum had more of an effect. Overnight bands changed speed, stripped down songs and increased the velocity.
When their album came out all the English groups tripled speed overnight. Two minute songs very fast. The Pistols were almost the only group who stuck to the kind of who speed. Tony James - Punk: The Illustrated History Of A Music Revolution
All the rest of the kids are like normal kids, really , they might have shortish hair or something, whatever the fad is, but safety pins, are pretty much almost out. They're very clothes conscious, so when you're clothes conscious things get a little confused...you don't know what's the latest thing and you wanna be IN all the time. Tommy Ramone - Search & Destroy Feb 1977
It was an exciting trip (1977 tour), it was our early days. The Ramones had instigated something new in England on our first trip July 4th 1976, and rock'n'roll would never be the same again. Joey - 1998 Flash Bang Wallop
While The Sex Pistols may have been the catalyst and help provide the visual and incendiary direction along with the Clash but it was the Ramones who provided the template for a new stripped down sound.
We came first. We did what came naturally to us. A lot of band have just copied us and they are not being themselves. Johnny - Sounds 31.12.77
The UK loved The Ramones. Joey kept saying, Legs, you wouldn't believe it! You wouldn't believe it! They love it. (Please Kill Me) They were viewed as part of the emerging punk scene. The UK put Sheena Is A Punk Rocker into the top 30. Its Alive - the greatest ever live album was recorded at The Roundhouse New Years Eve 1977. Meanwhile in bedrooms and rehearsal hall across the land kids were learning to play bass, guitar and drums along to songs like Blitzkrieg Bop.
I practice to Ramones records mostly because they're easy. I figure if I ever retire I could get a job being their lead guitarist. Patti Smith Sounds 21.1.78
Mean while at home the Ramones were still trying to break through, ignored by radio and press but the best know secret among journalists. Curiously what did for the Ramones was Punk Rock and The Pistols.
Yes punk rock had ensured them hits and success in the UK. Now punk rock UK style with the Pistols and their trail of mayhem in the USA meant commercial death for the Ramones. No radio station would touch them.
On the Pistols in the USA...The whole thing got out of control and whatever chance the Ramones had to get on the radio based on the merit of the music was then wiped out by the Sex Pistols because it was too hot too handle.
I was following the Sex Pistols in the press, thinking, this is trouble. They interfered with our Ramones agenda all over the place, not rightly or wrongly. They were just diverting attention and energy from what we were doing.
Danny Fields - Please Kill Me
"Even before I joined the Pistols I idolized the Ramones. Even if they do hate us. I don't care." Sid Vicious - Cream April 1978
As the punk culture grew now driven the reinterpreted English view of it The Ramones found they would never be acceptable and never have hit records and that's how it stayed. That said it was punk rock ironically that wrote their place in history.
It was a real privilege to be involved with a movement so innovative and exciting as the punk scene of the 70's and I think we helped change the landscape of music for the better.
Tommy 1998 - Flash Bang Wallop"
The Ramones and the Pistols were both influenced by Modern Lovers. Pistols covered Roadrunner on record.
@@Hartlor_Tayley I never heard the Ramones were influenced by the Modern Lovers. And the latter's debut album was only released in 1976, although some demos might have seen the light of day before that. The Ramones were playing punk as far back as 1974. Please provide some sources for your statement. I would be very interested. Thanks!
@@willieluncheonette5843 Jonathan Richman had a band as far back 1970 and was performing road runner and other songs. Richman being obsessed with Velvet underground and Stooges were playing the same circuit as television and Patti Smith, the Ramones came out of that scene. As I recall live bands were far more influential than records. It was that way for me and many others. So although albums released “modern Lovers” was 76 and marquee Moon by Television in 77, their influence in that regional rock circuit was huge and goes back to early seventies, they all knew each other and were around for years before making albums. Not as huge as the VU or Stooges but still important.
@@Hartlor_Tayley OK Fair enough. But I am not making the jump, as you are, that Ramones were influenced by Modern Lovers. Now if one of the four had said in print that indeed they were influenced by ML then I would believe it. Knowing the personalities of the Ramones, I don't see that influence at all. Comics, bubble gum music, garage, girl groups yes.
@@willieluncheonette5843 yeah it’s far from definitive. I guess I mostly inferred an influence because of proximity and a similarity that could be completely based on the fact that they shared the same influences.
People act like because this was your top 10, they are your ONLY 10 and you think no one else is important.
Only 10 can fit in 10 spots, people, that doesn't mean there aren't many others as well.
Even more baffling then…
I think there is really only five, Ten lol
Agree with you on Kraftwerk, Andy. After the Beatles, Sabbath etc, the German lads gave a new direction to modern music. Electronica and all the related genres that we have now spring from them.
Absolute perfect list. Overall I’m in absolute agreement with the order. Love the fact Cream are one above the Stones. Cream took a genre of folk music, namely R&B, and made it an art form. The Rolling Stones genius was they made that same folk music into pop music, which in reality is just a modern version of folk music anyway. On a completely personal level my list replaces The Who with The Kinks, as songwriting goes only Lennon and Macca are better than Ray and Dave. The Who sit at No. 11 with The Zombies for me. Zeppelin and Sabbath level peg as impossible to prioritise either’s contribution culturally or to rock music in general. I also think that The Experience are as important as The Cream as an entity. No doubt Hendrix would have been acknowledged as the greatest electric guitar player (no shit) but that early fire was a three piece band just like Cream. Don’t think The Experience can be left off in the same way we’d leave off Bowie’s The Spiders as a backing band.. As for the Velvet Underground, yes aesthetically they were important, but musically there were an innumerable number of garage bands with better music without the image, Stooges?
Also the Sex Pistols were the most exciting band of my 70s childhood. However in terms of my youth the most important bands are Kratftwerk (Rave Scene/Acid House was my coming of age late teens and synth pop in early 80s,, especially Depeche Mode/Japan/NewOrder was my early teens music of choice).
Ignoring Kraftwerk is like ignoring 12th October 1492 ;)
As a lefty I find the idea hilarious that I’m not supposed to enjoy the music of Cream because someone has decided Clapton is a right wing nut job. Absolutely agree Cream should be on the list.
The hilarious part is that lefties have decided that anyone with an opinion that dosen't fall within their rigid dogma is automatically a far right but job.
Spot on Andy. Agree about your arguments about. VU, SP and especially the gentlemen from Düsseldorf.I would never have thought of Cream and was interested in your defence.I will listen again
Roxy Music and The Smiths are 2 of them.. NO DOUBT
List in order
1. Led Zeppelin
2. Eagles
3. Van Halen
4. Metallica
5. Ac/dc
6. Black Sabbath
7. Jimi Hendrix
8. Stones
9. Guns Roses
10. Who
The Byrds and Buffalo Springfield before the Eagles.
@@harrygrosomanidis9699 two excellent bands. But as I mentioned earlier, I personally look at longevity as a key influencer. The Eagles are literally still touring after decades. The list I put was more about a favorites than just influence.
Hey Andy, did you consider ABBA when you compiled your list? Hugely influential to many bands and singers who followed them, they helped put Eurovision on the map, and one of Steven Wilson's faves. Otherwise I think you made a strong argument for your top ten most importants. I would put King Crimson, Dream Theater, Rush, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Opeth and Queen in the 11-20 range.
SB, Abba yes. Rush? Are you joking?
Quite fascinating how your multiple mentions of why single-person-bands didn't qualify fell on deaf ears of so many commentors. And the suggestions of bands that "should" be on the list just boggles the mind. Radiohead? U2? XTC? What the heck did any of these bring to the world that wasn't already there and had been for ages?
I'm guessing a lot of the negative comments about the inclusion of Kraftwerk are from white North American rock fans who don't know about or like hip hop, dance music, electronic music which happen to be hugely popular around the rest of the world. As for those who think the Beach Boys are only second to the Beatles, name any genre they've inspired or if that's not possible just name one band of note they've inspired.
Yep...we all know this. What do you say to them?
Barking, you are funny and completely wrong.
Finally! Someone on TH-cam who slots the mighty Cream correctly! Well done.
Thanks for noticing this old guy, Andy. Keep on keepin' on, pal.
If we are talking about influence I think Love should be considered.
Arthur lee was an influence on syd barrett.
I'd be happy with love at 11 and steppenwolf at 12 and floyd top 5.
People fail to understand that “bands that I like” isn’t the same “bands that are important.” I’m not a huge Bob Dylan fan, but one would have to be an idiot to not recognize the influence of Dylan on songwriters in the 60s.
Hmmm, Clapton vs. Gilmour. It’s easily Gilmour for me. He was much more experimental, and more melodic. Clapton was mostly blues, and that in itself was derivative of the great bluesmen that preceded him. However there is no denying the influence of the rhythm section of Cream
Here, from the camp EC is the most overrated blues guitarist. I'd take Gilmours playing any day, that though is tough to be objective about.
This is about influence, not originality. Clapton was the first guitar hero, the first who put the guitar truly in front of the music thanks to sustained distortion. The Clapton sound opened up the role of the guitar player in bands and made it equivalent to that of the trumpet or saxophone in jazz.
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Kind of what Link Wray did back in the late 50’s with “Rumble”.
Gilmour. What the hell is it with everyone saying oh he is so simple … !? No no. Elegant.
Clapton minus his blues masters/mastery is? I will say that the great Layla may well be him when cut to the core. But since he is reliable bit boring and not original. DG is always himself and can jam hard and nasty when called for but excels at elegant melody like no other.
Berklee cannot teach that. Fairies wearing boots cannot stomp it out . Won’t lose it going thru the roundabout, nor in the bashing of the Spectrum …. James Joyce wrote a million unpunctuated words and called it a novel. Some thought it great, most thought it just annoying. Cream live egos clashing begged for editing. In the studio they begged for better production.
Nobody was thinking of painting "Gilmour is God" anywhere in the 60's. DSOM was 1973
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When Jimi met Eric
Great way to fight your corner both an insightful and amusing video
I agree 100% with Kraftwerk. You just have to listen to it... you might think you're listening to a modern song, when in fact it's probably 45-50 years old. Amazing. Also interesting that likely 80% of people have never heard of Kraftwerk or The Velvet Underground.
definitely 80% of old classic rock and prog fans
Great pushback video. Loving your content and humour.
the Sex Pistols totally deserve a place IMO. Not only did they change culture but they actually scared the government. Not many bands achieved that
The Ramones scared me when I first saw them at CBGB's in 1976, if that counts for anything....lol
They were banned from Finland btw. because of anarchy and violence fears (censorship boards and the minister of internal affairs made such evaluations).
But how did John Lydon's punk poetry draw Andy into a world, but Ramones didn't? How can it be?
I mean with the profoundly witty poetry like
"Jackie is a punk,Judy is a runt
They both went down to Berlin,
joined the Ice Capades and oh, I don't know why, oh, I don't know why
Perhaps they'll die, oh yeah.
Jackie is a punk,Judy is a runt
They both went down to Frisco,
joined the SLA and oh, I don't know why
Oh, I don't know why
Perhaps they'll die, oh yeah".
The minister and authorities of Finland made the assessment that the Ramones were a non-threat and their concert was accepted unlike the Pistols.
@@ytusersumone and tell me this isn't subversive
We're a happy family
We're a happy family
We're a happy family
Me, mom and daddy
Sitting here in Queens
Eating re-fried beans
We're in all the magazines
Gulpin' down thorazines
We ain't got no friends
Our troubles never end
No Christmas cards to send
Daddy likes men
Daddy's telling lies
Baby's eating flies
Mommy's on pills
Baby's got the chills
I'm friends with the President
I'm friends with the Pope
We're all making a fortune
Selling Daddy's dope
only 1 album FFS
@@willieluncheonette5843 puff !!
(Sorry, I couldn’t help myself 😉)
Everyone's opinion is valued, it helps you question yourself and think why not give that a listen... stick to your guns, and ignore those who only live in their own bubble.
My best ten bands: ELO, Yes, Jethro Tull, Led Zepellin, Pink Floyd. Tne Beatles , Rolling Stones, King Crimson, Stranglers, Kraftwerk
My best ten solo artistis: Beethoven, Wagner, Grieg, Mike Oldfield, Sibelius, Antonio Carlos Jobim, Chet Baker, Stan Getz. Carlos Santana, Jean Michel Jarre.
Best v Most Important is not the same thing.
Any top ten list concerning a topic as subjective as any kind of art is always going to be a thankless task to a degree, but I think yours is pretty spot on, agree that The Who and The Kinks are pretty interchangeable.
Personally, I would have Hawkwind on the list before Pink Floyd. As Stephen Morris said "I think punk rock started because in every small town there was somebody who liked Hawkwind..."
Great quote
Yeah 100%
Hawkwind: still active
Punk Rock: the 'in thing' in 1977
@@livingtribunal4110 John Lydon was a Hawkwind fan. I think he was impressed by their anarchist origins. Some of what was offered as punk rock in the day was actually failed glam bands and proggers dumbing down, with a sprinkling of long in the tooth pub rockers thrown in. Marketing is such a fickle monster.
@@theeniwetoksymphonyorchest7580
Exactly!
Lydon also liked Magma and Can.
The whole Prog v Punk argument was as fake AF.