@@bunjijumper5345me too, the stupidest thing I've seen is on a gay pride 🏳️🌈 march someone holding a sign that said, Queers for Islam. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry
I’ve been bewildered by this phenomena for a while. I left the left because I couldn’t get on board with the gender ideology and the sudden embrace of Islam. We used to be a haven for intellectuals. Now we have people who don’t know what a woman is, and people who will disparage Christianity while hailing Islam as a religion of peace that’s above reproach. Moreover, the societies that practice Islam on a governmental level tend to hold extremely conservative values that go against everything the left believes in.
^ this Leftists let of Islam for things they would never apologise for if it was Christianity. From the aggressive dawah and the sexism and homophobia, to the praying in streets and demands for religious law for all.
@HeyCutie90, you made some very good points.The Left did used to be a haven for intellectuals. Now they tie themselves in knots in trying to make all these contradictory beliefs compatible.They just seem very confused and outright dishonest now, I would never, ever trust them.
Tom misses a BIIIGGG point: the Left had an alliance with "the Palestinians" & Others & Arab Socialist BEFORE Islamism took control of those movements... the problem with the Western left is that they were too loyal to an old cause and ignored the Muslim Brotherhood and its Proxies and Iran, Saudia Arabia and Afghanistan as they Islamified "the struggle" now they are locked in as supporters of a bad sports team... and ......they just can not let go you have not left the left... the left has left you......
The left only supports islam because they are pro minority. Their idea of a Muslim is the same as a brown person in the west. A minority group. Therefore oppressed by the majority, by default. To remain consistent in their worldview, they must therefore support the minority, even if they are the majority in their country and have views opposite of theirs (they support everything they are against), they are not a majority worldwide, therefore they must also be globalists in order to fit their narrative of their minority (victim) status.
You have expressed my thoughts exactly. I was on marches in the past with left wing activists , it was my ideology … After Oct 7th I am thinking independently , the left doesn’t represent me anymore.
leftist know full well there is no place for them under islamist rule, owen jones clearly knows what hmas does to homosexuals under sharia law in gaza yet he conveniently ignores it
@@authenticallysuperficial9874I’m a English person who lives in the Netherlands, I am not Dutch English, what is the difference? They aren’t British and I’m not Dutch
@@reasonablespeculation3893 haha, saudis acknowledging other religions will never happen in our lifetime. They are simply following muhammad's orders to keep kafirs out of islamic holy lands
Islam is from its foundation inherently political. There is absolutely no concept of a separation between politics and religion in Islam, no separation of mosque and state.
Great interview. But its important to note the 3 men butchered in a Reading park were all gay, as we're the two men castrated and murdered in Sligo. Both murderers were Izlamic. 8 years ago in a poll of British Muslims, 52 % wanted homosexuality criminalised. Last month another poll reported that percentage is now 72%. Although Sharia Law is only wanted by 32%, almost half support Hamas. These are not minority views.
They are indoctrinated by islamic schools, imams in mosques which brainwashes them with this supremist ideology & uses the term 'islamphobia' to silence critics. Terror & intimidation comes in when more questions are asked
British muslim are not extremists? 🤣 Watch any interview of ANY ex muslim Watch the interviews in this channel Watch the ones in Gad Saad interviews Read the comment of ex muslims in those videos The problem is islam itself
i think your guest is being overly optimistic, no one talks about the racism that comes from Muslims towards the white British people. I know this was about antisemitism, but the crime statistics cannot be ignored.
the thing is, it's not racism. They hate you for being unbelievers, but they love white skin. If a white person, especially a female, converts to the cult, they think they won in the lottery and will treat her like royalty. On the other hand, if you are a black muslim, don't expect any type of respect. On the contrary, expect to be bullied and to suffer violence - at least in these islamic countries. The reason is that Islam believes white skin is good, and everyone in heaven has white skin. (The 72 virgins are basically transparent.) On the other hand, everyone in hell has black skin. They believe that the devil is black.
It's so easy to put an end to any uncomfortable conversation. Just accuse the 'opponent' of a phobia, preferably a trendy one and your job is 90% done.
The Left should do some history and find out what happened to the people of The Left who where helping the Mullahs in Iran to defeat the Shah. Hint: They won't be available for a face to face chat.
That's exactly their future if they continue down this path and aren't stopped. Do they really think that if this Islamist/woke leftist alliance were to succeed in destroying Israel and the West that they could ever coexist? It would be all out war at that point and the weak, soyboy Left would lose to the Islamists.
The same force is behind both left and right political parties. It’s not what they disagree upon but what they agree upon that should scare you. Zionism will be the one world government and religion for the New World Order. “• The third world war is to be played out by stirring up hatred of the Muslim world for the purposes of playing the Islamic world and the political zionists off against one another. Whilst this is going on, the remaining nations would be forced to fight themselves into a state of mental, physical, spiritual and economic exhaustion. The Third World War must be fomented between the Christians and the Islamic World. The War must be conducted in such a way that Islam and Christianity mutually destroy each other leaving the Political Zionists in control.” ~Confederate General Albert Pike 1890 33 degree Freemason of Scottish Rite Founder of Klu Klux Klan
I seem to recall Islington loft conversions being the natural habitat of Labour MPs? From their lofty heights they can look down on the proletariat and freely despise them now everything is about identity and not class.
God "shit weasle Jones"? but; Tom misses a BIIIGGG point: the Left had an alliance with "the Palestinians" & Others & Arab Socialist BEFORE Islamism took control of those movements... the problem with the Western left is that they were too loyal to an old cause and ignored the Muslim Brotherhood and its Proxies and Iran, Saudia Arabia and Afghanistan as they Islamified "the struggle" now they are locked in as supporters of a bad sports team... and ......they just can not let go Jones on the other hand is one of those wRankers that have made money out of a position... and as long as they stick to it... THEY GET PAID !!!
My comments are very frequently shadow banned and I make it a point to not say awful things. I try to be reasoned. It is simply that you have to use certain words to talk about certain issues, and that gets your comments shadow banned. I don't remember voting for allowing TH-cam to censor anyone's opinion.
@@krisvq It's intolerable these days, it didn't used to be like this ten years ago, even five years ago it wasn't this bad. Have you gotten any messages about you're comments being "hate speech" or any twenty-four hour bans from commenting on *_TH-cam_* yet?
very well said, the left associate any sense of cultural identity based on ancestry with nazis with the influence of the left , bullying name calling trying to silence any other opinion , I am scottish from my mother's side living in holland I have worked in amsterdam , the mentality over there : everything is compared to political parties and leaders past and present or compared with nazis against mass immigration ?" you should help your own people first" the far right says that as well , " nationalism is ok but it should not be too extreme" or " I don't like to see too many flags with nationalism it makes me feel eerie" the left is very intolerant when you have a different point of view , the hate crime laws or what happened to Nigel Farage in Brussels only illustrates this they want to silence dissent so yes I understand your point of view very well
Indeed. I hear alot of upper middle class/middle class women berating working class indigenous Brits. Ive even had a couple saying they make them 'physically sick'. Typical older millennials and Gen Xer Labour voters. Also i work with a few Muslim lads, and even the kindest, best hearted lads tell me they will never be 'British', and they're just biding their time. One lad in particular was laughing at how they're using the Woke (women especially) and he recog used that they have NOTHING in common, andhave no respect for them. What a world.
I’m middle class, female, though I don’t know how my class is relevant. It’s just about common sense and education. Read the Quoran and you see the bigotry and hatred on the pages yourself. It’s shocking. I don’t know how any sane woman could support the incitement to violence, fear and hatred therein. Shocking
Not just Britain. A lot of West European countries are doing the same. Embracing islam, even in its extreme forms. At the same time our JudeoChristian values are under attack.
@@TirzaNLThe term was first coined in the 19th century and gained wide usage a couple of decades ago. In the last 2000 years these were simply Christian values.
A phobia is an irrational fear. If you have a Yorkshire terrier in the room and you fear for your life, that might be taken as a phobia. If there is a bear in the room ...
I dunno, Yorkies can be proper evil 😂 This is why I never understood the 'curing' of arachnophobia, for instance. It is quite sensible to be afraid of spiders in most outdoor environments. Even a small insect can deliver a bite than gets infected, and kills you.
@@hayleylongster4698I'm Australian and not at all frightened of spiders. Many are not very poisonous, some ant bites are more painful than most spiders. And spiders do so much good devouring insects.
indeed the term is ridiculous , everything is an ism or phobic , the left associate any sense of cultural identity based on ancestry with nazis with the influence of the left , bullying name calling trying to silence any other opinion , I am scottish from my mother's side living in holland I have worked in amsterdam , the mentality over there : everything is compared to political parties and leaders past and present or compared with nazis against mass immigration ?" you should help your own people first" the far right says that as well , " nationalism is ok but it should not be too extreme" or " I don't like to see too many flags with nationalism it makes me feel eerie" the left is very intolerant when you have a different point of view , the hate crime laws or what happened to Nigel Farage in Brussels only illustrates this they want to silence dissent so yes I understand your point of view very well
Re Brexit. I am working class, I listened to all the debates about Brexit for and against and up to a few days before the Brexit vote I didn't know how to vote. Then I heard an interview with Yanis Varoufakis in London when he discussed his treatment by the Commission at the time he was finance minister in the Greek government. He said: "You British complain about your House of Lords because it is an unelected body but the Lords do not have powers to make laws, that power resides with the elected House of Parliament. The E. U, is exactly opposite, the elected members in the parliament have only advisory powers, new laws are created and enforced by the unelected Commission. Democracy is at the heart of the issue, that argument convinced me to vote out and nothing has changed since.
Completely agree. Also working class. I had no strong feelings about EU membership. I voted 'yes' when we went in, I expected to vote 'Remain'. But the more I looked into the issue, the more horrified I became. It's really a solid attempt to strip countries of their national identity and their ability to govern themselves. Eventually, it became clear to me that there probably wouldn't be any economic benefit to leaving -- the benefits would be all democratic. The ability to govern ourselves without being part of some insane trans-national government setting the legal parameters is worth pretty well any cost to me.
I don't think it is safe to assume that most Mu2lims don't agree with acts of terror in the name of their religion. Many of them do. Those ideas are embedded in that ideology. Not many are liberals, unfortunately. Those who are liberals tend to be in minority.
Yes this is like arguing that we shouldn't have a problem with Nazis, just Nazism. They choose to follow an abhorrent death cult- it's no wonder they hold abhorrent views.
Very true. Their very own religious scripts/books normalise and condone violence against people they deem "lesser" than them. It's scary that so many people dont see it.
Really enjoying your show. I’m Irish & I am horrified how the media are reporting on the conflict. I can assure 90% of the people who support Palestine have absolutely no idea what is going on. The MSM has a lot to answer for. It’s painful to hear interviews.
@@Devils_Advocate_Extravalue Some of the propaganda from Tent Team seems to be quasi realistic bids saying "look, im Irish and I support this riot"... I've busted them placing careful actors into multiple vids, attempts to gain followers, a phone army?
Your point about the lefty/woke hating England at around 48 minutes in is something I see in quite a few people I know. They advocate for multiculturalism here but adore monocultures elsewhere, desire socialism yet seek to live in gentrified areas, and when the policies they hail have brought about some very logical consequences they then leave for pastures new.
They always say something like, we're moving for space etc. Rather than they don't want little Jacob being mugged at sharp instrument point or worse. They cannot cope with the cognitive dissonance of reality and their own belief system.
It's not England as such, or themselves, that the Left hate - it's the elites, the upper class, the 'toffs' who ran the Empire and exploited the workers. Important distinction usually missed by those who have never been on the Left.
Ive been shocked at the reaction here in Ireland, i would suggest it is because they have little understanding or interest in WW2. Also the dublin riots were because two 4 year old girls, a 5 year old boy and a teacher got stabbed.
come on Michelle you and Tom miss a BIIIGGG point: the Left of the west and the Republicans of Ireland had an alliance with "the Palestinians" & Others & Arab Socialist well BEFORE Islamism took control of those movements... the problem with the Western left is that they were too loyal to an old cause and ignored the Muslim Brotherhood and its Proxies and Iran, Saudia Arabia and Afghanistan as they Islamified "the struggle" now they are locked in as supporters of a bad sports team... and ......they just can not let go as for the back lash.. well it was coming
We just had a 16yr old attempt to kill a priest here in Australia. It was a terror attack because Bishop Mar Mari Emmanuel was popular, had a large online following and was critical of Islam and the Prophet Muhammad in his public sermons. I feel for the kids parents as they’d described him as being a loving kid until a year or so earlier. IMO a certain group perhaps recruited him and changed his way of thinking. This was the day after the mass attack at the Bondi Shopping centre. The lone attacker had Paranoid Schizophrenia. I enjoyed the interview very much because the point really hit home. When the Church incident occurred it was being live-streamed so the still images of just before he actually does it were shown all over the news. You then see all the men at the front dive on the kid and they saved the Bishop. It was your other guest Jasmine, I think who said in the 1920’s Islam made their 100 year plan. Andrew and Tom, thank you so much for this interesting and fascinating interview. What just happened here Tom drives your points home. I appreciate you both. ❤ 👏
@@annabizaro-doo-dah That's right. He was referring to that rule. Working class men were poor and renters. They could not vote. 'Votes for Men!' is not a chant that is remembered. Ordinary working men are a forgotten, ignored and despised underclass.
Aside from not being nationalists I can hardly tell the woke Left apart from fascists. They racially scapegoat entire groups of people, they are authoritarians, they are violent, they are corrupt, they love big centralized authority, and they seem to love these big corporations being in bed with the government and doing their dirty work.
Interested in this take.... Look at the similar ideologies, and the taproot of Marx.... Op paperclip Glasnost Cia involved in Angola, Jonestown... Gates /Fauci = Chinese lockdowns WEF ideals at the 🎪
They do understand what Hamas is about. The radical left has given approval to foreign psychopathic terrorists since the late 19th century. Support for anti-colonial terrorism was also an important factor from 1920s-190s. When the African national Congress in South Africa was burning factional enemies to death with car tires, liberals in the UK were celebrating Winnie Mandela who was one of the guilty parties.
Yoo are a total imbecile. The left supported Israel (remember kibbutz??) until they realised that it was a stinking ethno fascist colonial project. Why should anyone support this??
There is a big outrage about an advertisement put out by the DA that features a burning computer generated flag of South Africa which suddenly comes back. The message is basically do you want democracy or will every thing burn? Sadly although I understand the message , I personally disagree with this advertisement because it requires an educated perspective not to interpret such images in a concrete literal fashion that instinctively outrages the passes. The knee jerk reaction from the public might cost the DA votes. The awful burning of people, the destruction of vast areas of KZN by the ANC supporters in the 90s a press blaming the traditional Zulus and suspicions of a third force for the violence. In more recent times so many councilors and political functionaries are shot often in front of their children. But this nation silent on the problem of high murder and crime rates, stirs into a twitter mob baying for blood from what should be a trivial outrage.
Richard Dawkins was recently 'attacked' for saying he was a cultural christian. He said this... because he feels resentful of the spread of the Muslim faith specifically. He's a ''cultural Christian' because he prefers the quaint, relaxed, almost 'flaccid' version of Christianity that now prevails in the UK. It has been de-clawed. It's a ghost, that echos throughout society... but has no real influence or power. Just like its monarchy. It is a reminder of the past... but more importantly, an outdated ''impotent' reminder of where Westerners once morally and ethically stood. Whereas the Muslim faith is a younger, more energetic and a rebellious religion. Its leaders want it to breath, want it to grow, want for it to conquer minds and the entire world. This 'project' is capable of being extremely dangerous and detrimental to a Western secular worldview. It isn't xenophobia or Islamophobia to know an archaic belief system is diametrically opposed to your way of life. At its heart, ( for the masses under its dictates ) all religion was a panacea from harsher times. When peoples lives were wretched and an appeal to an afterlife ...was a cure to their present suffering. Their 'sky-cult' father figure was in charge. Everything had a meaning and their life ultimately was 'only' a test.-run. This 'was' a useful and important psychological tool. Now this archaic tool for Dawkins is definitely defunct. Humans living in the knowledge... that this life isn't real is beyond dangerous. Only their 'afterlife' having any real meaning... is a poisonous view of what it means to be alive. It is outdated and obsolete. It dehumanises how you relate to others and their value. It devalues human life... in the here and now. Dawkins is aware...that if the leaders of the Muslim faith gained supreme power tomorrow. Everything the West has built, all art, literature and its culture would be immediately burnt or destroyed... as offensively sacrilegious. All secular freedoms and individual rights demolished overnight. If you accept this cultural history as... a significant achievement. Then the Muslim faith is not benign, it is something you should be deeply wary of. If it moves silently or noisy... It doesn't ever 'come in peace'. It comes only to conquer.
Your wrong about Australia Andrew. We do let illegal immigrants in hand over fist, then we give them free money, housing over Australians and a pathway for their entire family to come into Australia. It completely sucks! that my tax dollars pay for these people who do not assimilate into Australian society.
Fellow Australian, it's all smoke and mirrors we probably have the highest legal immigration per capita in the world. And politicians could stop that tomorrow
Great choice to have Tom Slater on! I listen to the Spiked podcast every week. I sometimes skip the discussions on the British economy (which I don't care much about, being Swedish and all) but thoroughly enjoy their broader discussions of political and social events.
Same for me.... Those dickless consor merchants on YT must be on some kind of an anti Israel bonus contract. I'm always getting blocked. Thank goodness for X. Free speech must prevail.
very well said, the left associate any sense of cultural identity based on ancestry with nazis with the influence of the left , bullying name calling trying to silence any other opinion , I am scottish from my mother's side living in holland I have worked in amsterdam , the mentality over there : everything is compared to political parties and leaders past and present or compared with nazis against mass immigration ?" you should help your own people first" the far right says that as well , " nationalism is ok but it should not be too extreme" or " I don't like to see too many flags with nationalism it makes me feel eerie" the left is very intolerant when you have a different point of view , the hate crime laws or what happened to Nigel Farage in Brussels only illustrates this they want to silence dissent so yes I understand your point of view very well
In most parts of the UK and the Commonwealth the population has surrendered to tyrannical rule by woke bureaucrats and spineless, virtue-signalling leaders. They have also surrendered their language and vocabulary. In the UK, the term "Right Wing" is considered so toxic that no person will admit to being right wing. Most people seem to think it means something like a Nazi. This while actual Nazis (in Muslim garb) are marching in the streets of London. Wouldn't something like 80% of the UK have been considered "Right Wing" just a couple of decades ago? The BBC is pure evil and the general mouthpiece and cudgel of this woke infection. Regular people are too cowardly to stand up admit to being right wing and then intelligently define what that means. The UK is lost. Westminster Abbey will be a mosque in our lifetimes.
Interested to hear this one. As another commenter pointed out below, you can't comment on this topic on TH-cam without being censored. Zero intellectual debate is allowed in this area. Many western minds appear unable to comprehend what happens when a tolerant mindset is applied in response to a completely intolerant ideology. What I've been reading lately: *The End of Race Politics* -Coleman Hughes (outstanding, highly recommend) *The Anxious Generation* -Jonathan Haidt (just started, seems great so far)
Weird how so many right wing TH-camrs and podcasters are making a great living by talking about this, and all the other "unspeakble" topics! And getting away with it...
@@Naren25 Perhaps you're new here? Are you positing an equivalence between the videos YT allows on its platform, and the conversations it allows in the comments?
@@drcrocodile1 Sorry, I didn't understand the specifics of your claim. I thought you meant comment in a general sense, as in making your voice heard on the platform, which Andrew Gold and his guest certainly do (while making a decent, if cynical, income servicing an algorithm that selects for outrage politics) Didn't realise you meant comment as in writing text comments under the video. Comments may well suffer from automated moderation, I have no evidence one way or another.
@@Naren25 Yeah, many comments get auto-deleted when they contain certain words YT has determined are unfit for conversation. Unfortunately, many of these words are necessary to discuss hot-button issues. Personally, I never swear or say anything hateful, even so, around 50% of my comments are deleted if they come anywhere near topics related to the mid-East.
@@Naren25 Sorry, but that is untrue. There are numerous podcasters/bloggers who used to make a decent living, but as soon as they start defending Israel's right to exist, found that their channel is demonetized, and now beg for BuyMeACoffee or Superchat to sustain themselves.
I love and appreciate my Jewish brothers and sisters. I have learnt so much from the Shoah foundation and I am grateful for all the things I have learnt xxxxxx
How is Mexico not a Western country?! Just because y'all have a Native American name doesn't make it any less Western, it is a European-style Christian country that speaks a European language and almost everyone has European ancestry.
Mexico has so many of its own problems..ok different from the West and the Islamists etc but very very serious problems with gangs and drugs and violence….don’t be so smug and think that it’s all wonderful there!
Always admired Tom’s ability to boil down concepts/ events into quick, accurate explanations for the casual observer. Sign of not just a good brain but I well informed one.
I don't actually agree with Peterson there. We already know what left-wing authoritarianism looks like. Most of the worst authoritarian regimes of the past hundred plus years have been left-wing socialist/communist regimes. And despite what left-wing college professors have tried to claim about the Nazis being right-wing, the truth is, they were actually a hybrid ideology that took some ideas from the Left and some from the Right. I would say, furthermore, that the modern alt-right is composed of people with mixed left-wing and right-wing views.
@@cyberedge881The nazis were as far right as possible and nothing to do with left wing anything. This silly fantasy has become very prevalent with other crap about Mufti of Palestine. Hotlar admired the ability of the left to unite people but that is it. The left in those days was a synonym for jews. Education is the issue. British people are pretty thick.
Tom saying people voted against Brexit because of a lack of understanding of the EU, 100%, I voted Remain and I regret it now after having had more of an insight into what the EU actually does and how it treated us throughout the negotiations.
The UK is now financially after Slovenia and you think Brexit was a good idea? It was so obviously the very rich and powerful wanting to make it a Singapore for the elite and bu**er the rest.
I was so glad to be totally unaware of Brexit….spending time without internet at a monastery in Myanmar. The fallout between people on both sides was incredible and I have friends who are remainers or even remoaners who won’t let it go and won’t accept that it was a majority vote to leave. From what I have seen since, I would definitely have voted to leave. The immorality and corruption in the EU beggars belief and their very childish actions towards U.K. have been astounding. Whatever you thought about vaccines, the fact that Ursula Von Der Leyen wouldn’t take British vaccines when potentially tens of thousands stood to die, just because the vaccines came from Britain was something unbelievably dark and despicable. I really hope that people can be less attached to very strong views to the extent where they would ‘sell their grandmother down the river’ and come to common sense and humanity first and foremost.
Yeah, we are going through that right now in Australia. They are trying to ban everything except what they should be banning. And our Minister for Foreign Affairs Penny Wong has decided it's a good idea to give millions of taxpayers dollars to UNWRA. Unbelievable! They are the worst federal government we've had in my lifetime and that's saying something because I'm no spring chicken. 😊
I'd like to see him interviewed more. He was so vilified by the media for things he never said and opinions he never held, and as the canary in the coal mine has proven to be spot on about many things. Alternative media should have the courage to admit they were wrong or were influenced by propaganda.
You said, "Tommy Robinson has gone the other way and is an ally to Jews now", implying that Tommy Robinson was at some point anti-semitic or that you would have expected him to lean that way. Tommy Robinson (and the EDL more broadly) has always been very pro-diversity. It's the main reason the neo-nazi far-right types hate Tommy Robinson and the EDL. He and the EDL really just stood against Islamism. Appreciate the media miss represent him and the EDL and you probably wouldn't be aware of that, but just thought it was worth noting. Also, I understand from a business perspective why you can't have him on, but it's a shame because I think you guys would have a good convo and he'd probably surprise you with how uncontroversial the majority of his views are. The most controversial thing about Tommy Robison is that he speaks and acts like a working class guy so can sometimes speak and act in a way that I and other middle class types find distasteful.
Totally agree. Years ago they started vilifying him as far right and, as a gay man following him, I never heard him say anything I thought was other than reasonable-certainly Douglas Murray is far harsher and gets away with it.
@@paulwilliam8412 100% with you. Douglas Murray has literally argued that Europe should remain majority ethnically European, and while I'm not saying he's right or wrong on that, we should appreciate that's far further right that anything Tommy Robinson has ever said. But I think you're touching on what I said about how the real crime of Tommy Robinson is that he's working class. Douglas Murray can argue far-right talking points while speaking a language familiar to middle-class progressives. While Tommy Robinson says stuff like "fuck Islam" in a working class accent so he checks all of the "uneducated white racist" boxes that makes him easy to cancel.
The tragic part of this is that the very same people slaughtered on October 7 are the very same people who are protesting on campuses. People who do not believe evil exists.
Anyone ever read a dystopian novel called "This Broken Land" by H M Sealey I think. It's really good. It depicts a future British society that's had a referendum to create a "British state of Islam" which takes over half the country.
Hahahhaha you lil scaredy cat xD we DONT WANT TO ISLAMIZE YOUR COUNTRIES, we are fine, as long as we can pray in the privacy of our houses and designated mosques if possible, we do not want to do anything political, and that s most muslims, but of course you won't believe that, you think when i was growing up my dad was preparing me to take over europe lol ? Hell no I was running from the war in Libya, and came as a refugee and it took me 10 years to finally get citizenship, so from one human to another, you should relax
I live in Perth and I hear time and again people saying Australia has strict immigration policies, that we don't really let people in. I say tell that to my Chinese neighbour who runs the local pharmacy. I say tell that to the Indian immigrants who run my local IGA supermarket. I say tell that to the Macedonian immigrants who run the liquor store. I say tell that to all the Africans I see every time I go to Butler Spudshed that I didn't see a matter of a few years ago, all brought here during a housing crisis that's so much a problem that renting availability is at 0.4% We aren't yet where the UK is or like so many nations in Europe, but we seem to be trying our hardest to catch up despite being girt by sea... So if you don't mind, could you please let my government know that they're meant to be strict on immigration?
Friend of mine went to Perth recently and realised he was the only Caucasian on the bus he caught. He said it had completely changed since he was there 15 years previously.
In Ireland, a little girl was also left on life support in that knife attack. Plus we had had a series of women murdered by migrants who had convictions for assault before moving to Ireland. So it was a tinderbox waiting to happen. It is very uncomfortable in Ireland at present to listen to the outright antisemitism. This is bizarre as Ireland was a refuge up to 1920/21 for Jews (note after Ireland gained its independence this started to change). The hypocrisy is dumbfounding within the chattering classes. They simply do not understand the history. They seem to have no respect that Israel doesn't have any natural resources. And yet they formed a powerhouse economy. So is it jealousy? They have no idea of what Hamas actually believes in. They believe that Israel is trying to make a land grab. They have so much false information it is extremely hard to fight this. If RTE did their job, they could simply do a series of documentaries, but they won't as RTE (which is the state broadcaster) is made up of extreme left-wing people and Corbenista types. As an Irish Catholic (lapsed), I am embarrassed when I go home.
Yay! Great to see Tom making the rounds on long form conversations. He's young, insightful and has done his homework! Knowledgable and clear-sighted. Bodes well for the future. 🌞
Lets not forget many left leaning moderate people do not support terrorist organisations. Many of us simply condemn violence, human rights abuses, and certainly terroism and genocide whoever commits it. This is not a problem with the left or the right as we know it. It's a problem with extremism. Extremists on the left or the right cannot comprehend a problem that's even slightly complex. They must default to a simple who's right and who's wrong becsuse they are idealists by their nature. Even if everyone is wrong they will pick a side and stick to it religiously even if it means undermining their own arguments. Both the far left and far right do this all the time and frankly the two are almost indistinguishable from one another.
26:10 the Don't Look Back in Anger wasnt a ground-up response, it was the implementation of the existing security services planned response should there be an attack in Manchester. It was more manipulation by government. Where do you think the professional signs came from?
Wonderful interview. I quit the left when I realised just how ingrained anti-Semitism had become within my then super-liberal, on the side of the angels, woke friendship group and I could no longer accept the gross hypocrisy. I don't think I can ever truly atone for my political sins but I take every opportunity now to point it out that hypocrisy whenever and wherever I see it which you can imagine has cost me the loss of friends and family and the odd altercation at pro-palestinian protests. I don't think most people realise the extent to which the left has lost its mind over Israel and Islam. Just as the right has a blind spot over Trump so the left has blinkers on over Islam.
Trump is the most Pro Israel President in history. He has Jewish grandchildren. Comparing Trump to Islamists shows how the lefty brainwashing has worked on you.
Bollocks! Israel has killed 17,000 children in the last few months. It breaks international and domestic law, violates human rights, imprisons Palestinians without trial, and has violated 28 United Nations resolutions. Opposing Israel's extremes is NOT anti-Semitic. its the same act as opposing Nazi Germany's extremes. Principle is principle. Law is law. Human beings are human beings. Israel does not get to ignore the rules as if it was a special case. Its not. Only vain racists would say that it was.
I have tried to learn as much as I could about the Israel/Palestine situation over the years and it is a subject I have always struggled with. What infuriates me is that most people have an opinion sometimes very loud, but it's clear that they do not know what they're talking about. This was before October 7. Now I just cannot believe the reactions over the world. It has gone crazy I agree. I hope people watch your interview and don't just HATE because of the subject, but actually listen and try to understand. It is complex.
Have you heard the recent Jordan Peterson and Mosab Hassan Yousef (son of a Hamas founder now Israel supporter) interview. Mosab explains the history extremely well
Thanks Andrew! Tom is so clear-headed and eloquent! I always watch the Spiked podcast and see him on there, I also subscribe to Spiked and occasionally read his articles, but this is the first long-form solo interview I've seen of him, so thanks!
Thank you so much for this conversation! It’s reassuring to see some sanity and moral clarity around this topic. I really appreciate you bringing this to heretics and broaching this subject in the maturity it deserved.
and this is a dangerous philosophy to have - see Nelson Mandela who chose to support Palestine exactly for that reason, even though Black South Africa, ie. ANC has no historical ties to Arabs/Palestine, rather South Africa DOES have a history of Jewish immigration - Ben Gurion's foreign minister was South African! A large number of White South Africans who supported Black South Africans and the ANC during the struggle against apartheid ...were Jewish !
....."As I went out one morning to breathe the air around Tom Payne's - I saw the fairest damsel that ever did walk in chains. She offered me her hand, she took me by the arm - 'I'm sorry,sir, she said to me', 'I'm sorry for what they've done...' ." Anyone remember this song?
Thank you guys, i 100% agree with with your conclusions... many are confused, unaware and misinformed - this is the power of social media we need new laws that make people with + certain amount of followers liable when spreading repeated lies or force the platforms to handle it much better.
Has the world gone mad? Why does Woke work with Militant Islamism?
Hopefully Tom has the reason, I sure do not understand why the left is intertwined with people who wish to harm gays, women, etc.
Woke is the last stage of apostasy from Christianity preceding conversion to Islam.
They are perceived as "oppressed".
@@bunjijumper5345me too, the stupidest thing I've seen is on a gay pride 🏳️🌈 march someone holding a sign that said, Queers for Islam. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry
4 replies but I can see three. What's going on with TH-cam's censorship?
I’ve been bewildered by this phenomena for a while. I left the left because I couldn’t get on board with the gender ideology and the sudden embrace of Islam. We used to be a haven for intellectuals. Now we have people who don’t know what a woman is, and people who will disparage Christianity while hailing Islam as a religion of peace that’s above reproach. Moreover, the societies that practice Islam on a governmental level tend to hold extremely conservative values that go against everything the left believes in.
^ this
Leftists let of Islam for things they would never apologise for if it was Christianity. From the aggressive dawah and the sexism and homophobia, to the praying in streets and demands for religious law for all.
@HeyCutie90, you made some very good points.The Left did used to be a haven for intellectuals. Now they tie themselves in knots in trying to make all these contradictory beliefs compatible.They just seem very confused and outright dishonest now, I would never, ever trust them.
Tom misses a BIIIGGG point: the Left had an alliance with "the Palestinians" & Others & Arab Socialist BEFORE Islamism took control of those movements... the problem with the Western left is that they were too loyal to an old cause and ignored the Muslim Brotherhood and its Proxies and Iran, Saudia Arabia and Afghanistan as they Islamified "the struggle"
now they are locked in as supporters of a bad sports team... and ......they just can not let go
you have not left the left... the left has left you......
The left only supports islam because they are pro minority. Their idea of a Muslim is the same as a brown person in the west. A minority group. Therefore oppressed by the majority, by default. To remain consistent in their worldview, they must therefore support the minority, even if they are the majority in their country and have views opposite of theirs (they support everything they are against), they are not a majority worldwide, therefore they must also be globalists in order to fit their narrative of their minority (victim) status.
You have expressed my thoughts exactly. I was on marches in the past with left wing activists , it was my ideology …
After Oct 7th I am thinking independently , the left doesn’t represent me anymore.
This is so insane. Do they really not realise that if the Islamists got the upper hand they'd be the first against the wall??
leftist know full well there is no place for them under islamist rule, owen jones clearly knows what hmas does to homosexuals under sharia law in gaza yet he conveniently ignores it
Yes, they’re just the useful idiots
You’re looking for reason and accountability from the left? They’re all left hemisphere dominated, so no chance.
No they really believe their own brain washing.
They're not the brightest bulbs, they're just antagonistic against Western civilisation, they are not pro-anyone other than themselves.
We should stop coupling the word ''British'' and ''Muslim'' and instead speak of'' Muslims who live in Britain.''
Good point
That's an awful idea.
@@authenticallysuperficial9874I’m a English person who lives in the Netherlands, I am not Dutch English, what is the difference? They aren’t British and I’m not Dutch
@@authenticallysuperficial9874 Yes, just as Saudi Christians would be accepted and given equal respect
in Saudi Arabia.
@@reasonablespeculation3893 haha, saudis acknowledging other religions will never happen in our lifetime. They are simply following muhammad's orders to keep kafirs out of islamic holy lands
Islam is from its foundation inherently political. There is absolutely no concept of a separation between politics and religion in Islam, no separation of mosque and state.
They still have capital punishments for minorities
These are the people that the west accepted
And I'm not just talking about isis or hamas
They are modern day Philistines .
You just describe Zionism.
@@rorycollin4185 I describe what God calls Israel in bible prophecy he brought them back tough if you dont like it.
You really think western democracies are secular? In god they trust
So far I haven't heard one muslim come out and condemn the October 7 genocide.
I condemn it…….i strongly condemn it.…a British Muslim
Let’s stop abusing the word genocide. Oct 7th was an attempted genocide/ massacre and Israel is conducting a war. Neither are a genocide.
The son of one of the leaders of Hamas condemned it.
A few have and got massive backlash
Umar Lee was vocal in the first few days after the massacre
I cracked up when muslim pro-Palestine protesters toar up the rainbow flag of these queers for Palestine idiots 🤣
Great interview. But its important to note the 3 men butchered in a Reading park were all gay, as we're the two men castrated and murdered in Sligo. Both murderers were Izlamic. 8 years ago in a poll of British Muslims, 52 % wanted homosexuality criminalised. Last month another poll reported that percentage is now 72%. Although Sharia Law is only wanted by 32%, almost half support Hamas. These are not minority views.
@@AndreS_22246 I don't think it's crazy to believe religious people take their beliefs seriously.
@@AndreS_22246the point is look around and listen. It’s in front of you, stats support it.
@@AndreS_22246that is survey data though. You got better?
They are indoctrinated by islamic schools, imams in mosques which brainwashes them with this supremist ideology & uses the term 'islamphobia' to silence critics. Terror & intimidation comes in when more questions are asked
@@AndreS_22246oh well, if Homer Simpson said it…
British muslim are not extremists? 🤣
Watch any interview of ANY ex muslim
Watch the interviews in this channel
Watch the ones in Gad Saad interviews
Read the comment of ex muslims in those videos
The problem is islam itself
Yes. The doctrine is the cause of so much suffering.
@@cyclicozone2072 read again
It seems we agree
@@goa9034 Ah you forgot the question mark the first time around.
@@cyclicozone2072 12lam is extreme itself...that's good enough? 🤣
@@goa9034 Not when you begin by saying “British Muslims are not extremists” 😂
RIP Lee Rigby.
i think your guest is being overly optimistic, no one talks about the racism that comes from Muslims towards the white British people. I know this was about antisemitism, but the crime statistics cannot be ignored.
Fraud and criminality against us mere infidels is their divine right. They're taught that from a very young age.
@@davidgavin7280 you hit the nail on the head.....this is THE point that the West does not understand
Anti-white racism is antiwhiteism. 'Racist' just means 'evil white person'.
the thing is, it's not racism. They hate you for being unbelievers, but they love white skin. If a white person, especially a female, converts to the cult, they think they won in the lottery and will treat her like royalty. On the other hand, if you are a black muslim, don't expect any type of respect. On the contrary, expect to be bullied and to suffer violence - at least in these islamic countries.
The reason is that Islam believes white skin is good, and everyone in heaven has white skin. (The 72 virgins are basically transparent.) On the other hand, everyone in hell has black skin. They believe that the devil is black.
Well, let's be honest. it is NOT racism. They just hate "infidels"
It's so easy to put an end to any uncomfortable conversation. Just accuse the 'opponent' of a phobia, preferably a trendy one and your job is 90% done.
The words are losing their sting as more and more of the world's populace is finally catching onto the false morality game.
We’re at a disadvantage that the words misogyny and antisemitism don’t end in phobia.
Just claim that any Leftist suffers from Dextrophobia (fear of right-wingers).
Tom will call anyone opposed to the current genocide an antisemite at the drop of a hat.
In Netherlands it's even easier. Just call them "Wappie". It's a word they use against anything they don't have an argument against.
The Left should do some history and find out what happened to the people of The Left who where helping the Mullahs in Iran to defeat the Shah.
Hint: They won't be available for a face to face chat.
That's exactly their future if they continue down this path and aren't stopped. Do they really think that if this Islamist/woke leftist alliance were to succeed in destroying Israel and the West that they could ever coexist? It would be all out war at that point and the weak, soyboy Left would lose to the Islamists.
When useful idiots outlive their usefulness they are always the first to go. Muslims see all infidels as useful idiots.
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I always point this out. But along with M@rkism next time it will be different!
The same force is behind both left and right political parties. It’s not what they disagree upon but what they agree upon that should scare you. Zionism will be the one world government and religion for the New World Order.
“• The third world war is to be played out by stirring up hatred of the Muslim world for the purposes of playing the Islamic world and the political zionists off against one another. Whilst this is going on, the remaining nations would be forced to fight themselves into a state of mental, physical, spiritual and economic exhaustion. The Third World War must be fomented between the Christians and the Islamic World. The War must be conducted in such a way that Islam and Christianity mutually destroy each other leaving the Political Zionists in control.”
~Confederate General Albert Pike 1890
33 degree Freemason of Scottish Rite
Founder of Klu Klux Klan
It's not just elitists. It's the leftists that keep supporting and voting for them.
And ironically, gender traitors.
When Tom says 'idiots sitting in their flats in North London, ' he's talking about that idiot in the comfort of a North London flat - Owen Jones.
Tom Slater shares a flat with Owen Jones???
@@annal2740 That would be a great recipe for a sitcom
@@richardsandy6080 that would be funny Peep Show the Return
I seem to recall Islington loft conversions being the natural habitat of Labour MPs? From their lofty heights they can look down on the proletariat and freely despise them now everything is about identity and not class.
God "shit weasle Jones"? but; Tom misses a BIIIGGG point: the Left had an alliance with "the Palestinians" & Others & Arab Socialist BEFORE Islamism took control of those movements... the problem with the Western left is that they were too loyal to an old cause and ignored the Muslim Brotherhood and its Proxies and Iran, Saudia Arabia and Afghanistan as they Islamified "the struggle"
now they are locked in as supporters of a bad sports team... and ......they just can not let go
Jones on the other hand is one of those wRankers that have made money out of a position... and as long as they stick to it... THEY GET PAID !!!
YT is censoring BIG TIME. But honestly it's a badge of honor. Because it let's you know you're over the target.
and what they stand for
My comments are very frequently shadow banned and I make it a point to not say awful things. I try to be reasoned. It is simply that you have to use certain words to talk about certain issues, and that gets your comments shadow banned. I don't remember voting for allowing TH-cam to censor anyone's opinion.
@@krisvq It's intolerable these days, it didn't used to be like this ten years ago, even five years ago it wasn't this bad. Have you gotten any messages about you're comments being "hate speech" or any twenty-four hour bans from commenting on *_TH-cam_* yet?
Its got real bad in the last week.
@@krisvq❤ 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
They haven't gone insane,they were always insane. They've been allowed out of the asylum.
very well said,
the left associate any sense of cultural identity based on ancestry with nazis
with the influence of the left , bullying name calling trying to silence any other opinion , I am scottish from my mother's side living in holland I have worked in amsterdam , the mentality over there : everything is compared to political parties and leaders past and present or compared with nazis against mass immigration ?" you should help your own people first" the far right says that as well , " nationalism is ok but it should not be too extreme" or " I don't like to see too many flags with nationalism it makes me feel eerie" the left is very intolerant when you have a different point of view , the hate crime laws or what happened to Nigel Farage in Brussels only illustrates this they want to silence dissent
so yes I understand your point of view very well
Indeed. I hear alot of upper middle class/middle class women berating working class indigenous Brits. Ive even had a couple saying they make them 'physically sick'. Typical older millennials and Gen Xer Labour voters.
Also i work with a few Muslim lads, and even the kindest, best hearted lads tell me they will never be 'British', and they're just biding their time. One lad in particular was laughing at how they're using the Woke (women especially) and he recog used that they have NOTHING in common, andhave no respect for them.
What a world.
Biding their time.... chilling
@@annal2740 Exactly. Biding their time to do what???....
@@CathyKitson Islam will eventually control UK. Demographically inevitable.
@CathyKitson kill us probably
I’m middle class, female, though I don’t know how my class is relevant. It’s just about common sense and education. Read the Quoran and you see the bigotry and hatred on the pages yourself. It’s shocking. I don’t know how any sane woman could support the incitement to violence, fear and hatred therein. Shocking
Not just Britain. A lot of West European countries are doing the same. Embracing islam, even in its extreme forms. At the same time our JudeoChristian values are under attack.
Europe never needed any of it.
Define Judeo-Christian
@@EmergingEcho There is a dictionary for that if you are too ignorant to understand what I mean. Educate yourself.
@@TirzaNLThe term was first coined in the 19th century and gained wide usage a couple of decades ago. In the last 2000 years these were simply Christian values.
@@EmergingEcho You are beating around the bush
Just tell a lefty ‘Islam is right about women and gay people’
The losers would accuse you of discrimination but still ignore the Islam part.
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A phobia is an irrational fear. If you have a Yorkshire terrier in the room and you fear for your life, that might be taken as a phobia. If there is a bear in the room ...
I dunno, Yorkies can be proper evil 😂
This is why I never understood the 'curing' of arachnophobia, for instance. It is quite sensible to be afraid of spiders in most outdoor environments. Even a small insect can deliver a bite than gets infected, and kills you.
Especially in Australia 🇦🇺 😊
@@hayleylongster4698I'm Australian and not at all frightened of spiders. Many are not very poisonous, some ant bites are more painful than most spiders. And spiders do so much good devouring insects.
Yea the left/islam loves to manipulate words to try and put them in a higher postion.
indeed the term is ridiculous , everything is an ism or phobic ,
the left associate any sense of cultural identity based on ancestry with nazis
with the influence of the left , bullying name calling trying to silence any other opinion , I am scottish from my mother's side living in holland I have worked in amsterdam , the mentality over there : everything is compared to political parties and leaders past and present or compared with nazis against mass immigration ?" you should help your own people first" the far right says that as well , " nationalism is ok but it should not be too extreme" or " I don't like to see too many flags with nationalism it makes me feel eerie" the left is very intolerant when you have a different point of view , the hate crime laws or what happened to Nigel Farage in Brussels only illustrates this they want to silence dissent
so yes I understand your point of view very well
Re Brexit. I am working class, I listened to all the debates about Brexit for and against and up to a few days before the Brexit vote I didn't know how to vote. Then I heard an interview with Yanis Varoufakis in London when he discussed his treatment by the Commission at the time he was finance minister in the Greek government. He said: "You British complain about your House of Lords because it is an unelected body but the Lords do not have powers to make laws, that power resides with the elected House of Parliament. The E. U, is exactly opposite, the elected members in the parliament have only advisory powers, new laws are created and enforced by the unelected Commission. Democracy is at the heart of the issue, that argument convinced me to vote out and nothing has changed since.
Completely agree. Also working class. I had no strong feelings about EU membership. I voted 'yes' when we went in, I expected to vote 'Remain'. But the more I looked into the issue, the more horrified I became. It's really a solid attempt to strip countries of their national identity and their ability to govern themselves. Eventually, it became clear to me that there probably wouldn't be any economic benefit to leaving -- the benefits would be all democratic. The ability to govern ourselves without being part of some insane trans-national government setting the legal parameters is worth pretty well any cost to me.
House of Lords is controlled from Israel hoo also gave yoo Brexit.
@@twatmunro😂😂
@@Ondolite YOU COMPLETE DOILEM.
@@simonmartin3433 Israel has a very sinister infiltration into UK and controls both major parties.
Very worrying.
I don't think it is safe to assume that most Mu2lims don't agree with acts of terror in the name of their religion. Many of them do. Those ideas are embedded in that ideology. Not many are liberals, unfortunately. Those who are liberals tend to be in minority.
True. It's sad the people are victims of a horrible doctrine that has enslaved them for a long time and caused unimaginable bloodshed.
Yes this is like arguing that we shouldn't have a problem with Nazis, just Nazism. They choose to follow an abhorrent death cult- it's no wonder they hold abhorrent views.
Those ideas are embedded in the Theology. Quran talks about a lot of things....Gharqad tree is one.
Very true. Their very own religious scripts/books normalise and condone violence against people they deem "lesser" than them. It's scary that so many people dont see it.
Muslims may not support the terrorist actions but they support the objectives.
Really enjoying your show. I’m Irish & I am horrified how the media are reporting on the conflict. I can assure 90% of the people who support Palestine have absolutely no idea what is going on. The MSM has a lot to answer for. It’s painful to hear interviews.
I have to say though, there are a lot of Irish that are bent on their support. They have no clue though about what these people believe in.
I know!! 🇮🇱🇮🇱
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Some of the propaganda from Tent Team seems to be quasi realistic bids saying "look, im Irish and I support this riot"...
I've busted them placing careful actors into multiple vids, attempts to gain followers, a phone army?
Your point about the lefty/woke hating England at around 48 minutes in is something I see in quite a few people I know. They advocate for multiculturalism here but adore monocultures elsewhere, desire socialism yet seek to live in gentrified areas, and when the policies they hail have brought about some very logical consequences they then leave for pastures new.
Well said. I see it in my own friends.
Those types of people should be forced to live with the consequences of there actions.
They always say something like, we're moving for space etc. Rather than they don't want little Jacob being mugged at sharp instrument point or worse. They cannot cope with the cognitive dissonance of reality and their own belief system.
It's not England as such, or themselves, that the Left hate - it's the elites, the upper class, the 'toffs' who ran the Empire and exploited the workers. Important distinction usually missed by those who have never been on the Left.
Brilliant discussion. As an Israeli who lost a cousin on October 7 I’m eternally grateful for the voice of reason .
So sorry for your loss. Sending love from a New Zealander.
I understand your pain, I lost my cousin and his husband the 7th too. It still hurts.
I'm wishing you the best and to be brave.
@@rakantopinibl5736 sending love from New Zealand 😥
@@robynreid21 thank you
So sorry for you and all those who lost a loved one on 7th October. I am hopeful justice will prevail.
Ive been shocked at the reaction here in Ireland, i would suggest it is because they have little understanding or interest in WW2. Also the dublin riots were because two 4 year old girls, a 5 year old boy and a teacher got stabbed.
come on Michelle you and Tom miss a BIIIGGG point: the Left of the west and the Republicans of Ireland had an alliance with "the Palestinians" & Others & Arab Socialist well BEFORE Islamism took control of those movements... the problem with the Western left is that they were too loyal to an old cause and ignored the Muslim Brotherhood and its Proxies and Iran, Saudia Arabia and Afghanistan as they Islamified "the struggle"
now they are locked in as supporters of a bad sports team... and ......they just can not let go
as for the back lash.. well it was coming
Yeah young Irish people are very weak minded
I swear I've seen your cursed name before, you're a massive hater of islam, you suk Michelle, you unholy bitsh
We just had a 16yr old attempt to kill a priest here in Australia. It was a terror attack because Bishop Mar Mari Emmanuel was popular, had a large online following and was critical of Islam and the Prophet Muhammad in his public sermons.
I feel for the kids parents as they’d described him as being a loving kid until a year or so earlier. IMO a certain group perhaps recruited him and changed his way of thinking.
This was the day after the mass attack at the Bondi Shopping centre. The lone attacker had Paranoid Schizophrenia.
I enjoyed the interview very much because the point really hit home. When the Church incident occurred it was being live-streamed so the still images of just before he actually does it were shown all over the news. You then see all the men at the front dive on the kid and they saved the Bishop.
It was your other guest Jasmine, I think who said in the 1920’s Islam made their 100 year plan.
Andrew and Tom, thank you so much for this interesting and fascinating interview. What just happened here Tom drives your points home. I appreciate you both. ❤ 👏
Lol I was just thinking about that feminist screaming out "Allah Akbar" at the protest. So cringe.
they allways forget working class men couldnt vote till after ww1
In England?
@@kelleygreengrass yes
Working class women couldn't vote until they were 31 after WW1. You're thinking of the rule that you had to own property to vote.
@@annabizaro-doo-dah which is working class men couldnt vote till after ww1 but they were sent to france to die during, i dont believe women were
@@annabizaro-doo-dah That's right. He was referring to that rule. Working class men were poor and renters. They could not vote. 'Votes for Men!' is not a chant that is remembered. Ordinary working men are a forgotten, ignored and despised underclass.
The left became so far left that they come out at the far right side
Aside from not being nationalists I can hardly tell the woke Left apart from fascists. They racially scapegoat entire groups of people, they are authoritarians, they are violent, they are corrupt, they love big centralized authority, and they seem to love these big corporations being in bed with the government and doing their dirty work.
That's known as the 'horse-shoe theory'.
Going from communism to fascism is only a short trip round the back.
Interested in this take....
Look at the similar ideologies, and the taproot of Marx....
Op paperclip
Glasnost
Cia involved in Angola, Jonestown...
Gates /Fauci = Chinese lockdowns
WEF ideals at the 🎪
It’s spreading through the UK, one town at a time.
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They do understand what Hamas is about. The radical left has given approval to foreign psychopathic terrorists since the late 19th century. Support for anti-colonial terrorism was also an important factor from 1920s-190s. When the African national Congress in South Africa was burning factional enemies to death with car tires, liberals in the UK were celebrating Winnie Mandela who was one of the guilty parties.
Yoo are a total imbecile.
The left supported Israel (remember kibbutz??) until they realised that it was a stinking ethno fascist colonial project.
Why should anyone support this??
There is a big outrage about an advertisement put out by the DA that features a burning computer generated flag of South Africa which suddenly comes back. The message is basically do you want democracy or will every thing burn? Sadly although I understand the message , I personally disagree with this advertisement because it requires an educated perspective not to interpret such images in a concrete literal fashion that instinctively outrages the passes. The knee jerk reaction from the public might cost the DA votes. The awful burning of people, the destruction of vast areas of KZN by the ANC supporters in the 90s a press blaming the traditional Zulus and suspicions of a third force for the violence. In more recent times so many councilors and political functionaries are shot often in front of their children. But this nation silent on the problem of high murder and crime rates, stirs into a twitter mob baying for blood from what should be a trivial outrage.
@@cecillekinnear4585 Can yoo identify the 'trivial outrage'?
Many thx.
Richard Dawkins was recently 'attacked' for saying he was a cultural christian.
He said this... because he feels resentful of the spread of the Muslim faith specifically.
He's a ''cultural Christian' because he prefers the quaint, relaxed, almost 'flaccid' version of Christianity that now prevails in the UK.
It has been de-clawed. It's a ghost, that echos throughout society... but has no real influence or power. Just like its monarchy.
It is a reminder of the past... but more importantly, an outdated ''impotent' reminder of where Westerners once morally and ethically stood.
Whereas the Muslim faith is a younger, more energetic and a rebellious religion.
Its leaders want it to breath, want it to grow, want for it to conquer minds and the entire world.
This 'project' is capable of being extremely dangerous and detrimental to a Western secular worldview.
It isn't xenophobia or Islamophobia to know an archaic belief system is diametrically opposed to your way of life.
At its heart, ( for the masses under its dictates ) all religion was a panacea from harsher times.
When peoples lives were wretched and an appeal to an afterlife ...was a cure to their present suffering.
Their 'sky-cult' father figure was in charge. Everything had a meaning and their life ultimately was 'only' a test.-run.
This 'was' a useful and important psychological tool. Now this archaic tool for Dawkins is definitely defunct.
Humans living in the knowledge... that this life isn't real is beyond dangerous.
Only their 'afterlife' having any real meaning... is a poisonous view of what it means to be alive.
It is outdated and obsolete. It dehumanises how you relate to others and their value. It devalues human life... in the here and now.
Dawkins is aware...that if the leaders of the Muslim faith gained supreme power tomorrow.
Everything the West has built, all art, literature and its culture would be immediately burnt or destroyed... as offensively sacrilegious.
All secular freedoms and individual rights demolished overnight. If you accept this cultural history as... a significant achievement.
Then the Muslim faith is not benign, it is something you should be deeply wary of. If it moves silently or noisy...
It doesn't ever 'come in peace'. It comes only to conquer.
Pretty much the same as Communism with the added bonus of having to stick your bum in the air five times a day. Trouble ahead.
Your wrong about Australia Andrew. We do let illegal immigrants in hand over fist, then we give them free money, housing over Australians and a pathway for their entire family to come into Australia. It completely sucks! that my tax dollars pay for these people who do not assimilate into Australian society.
Why would they bother to assimilate when they can force you into their vile, oppressive belief system.
You will have to do something about it.
Fellow Australian, it's all smoke and mirrors we probably have the highest legal immigration per capita in the world. And politicians could stop that tomorrow
Aust. intake is 100,000 + per month.
1.2 million per year.
@@returnofthenative Good on you, my similar comment???
She was nine years old
Married when she was 6, sex at 9.
Utterly vile creatures
Justice for Aisha
Great choice to have Tom Slater on! I listen to the Spiked podcast every week. I sometimes skip the discussions on the British economy (which I don't care much about, being Swedish and all) but thoroughly enjoy their broader discussions of political and social events.
My comments are deleted faster than I can type i-s-l-a-m 😂
Same for me....
Those dickless consor merchants on YT must be on some kind of an anti Israel bonus contract.
I'm always getting blocked.
Thank goodness for X.
Free speech must prevail.
very well said,
the left associate any sense of cultural identity based on ancestry with nazis
with the influence of the left , bullying name calling trying to silence any other opinion , I am scottish from my mother's side living in holland I have worked in amsterdam , the mentality over there : everything is compared to political parties and leaders past and present or compared with nazis against mass immigration ?" you should help your own people first" the far right says that as well , " nationalism is ok but it should not be too extreme" or " I don't like to see too many flags with nationalism it makes me feel eerie" the left is very intolerant when you have a different point of view , the hate crime laws or what happened to Nigel Farage in Brussels only illustrates this they want to silence dissent
so yes I understand your point of view very well
In most parts of the UK and the Commonwealth the population has surrendered to tyrannical rule by woke bureaucrats and spineless, virtue-signalling leaders. They have also surrendered their language and vocabulary. In the UK, the term "Right Wing" is considered so toxic that no person will admit to being right wing. Most people seem to think it means something like a Nazi. This while actual Nazis (in Muslim garb) are marching in the streets of London. Wouldn't something like 80% of the UK have been considered "Right Wing" just a couple of decades ago? The BBC is pure evil and the general mouthpiece and cudgel of this woke infection. Regular people are too cowardly to stand up admit to being right wing and then intelligently define what that means. The UK is lost. Westminster Abbey will be a mosque in our lifetimes.
More people should be aware that Islamists worked with Adolf during WW2 to rid them of their J-w problem.
Knowing the right woke words is like knowing what fork to use at the dinner table
Except that once you learn the rules of cutlery you're all set, but today's woke term is tomorrow's somethingist slur..
Interested to hear this one. As another commenter pointed out below, you can't comment on this topic on TH-cam without being censored. Zero intellectual debate is allowed in this area. Many western minds appear unable to comprehend what happens when a tolerant mindset is applied in response to a completely intolerant ideology. What I've been reading lately:
*The End of Race Politics* -Coleman Hughes (outstanding, highly recommend)
*The Anxious Generation* -Jonathan Haidt (just started, seems great so far)
Weird how so many right wing TH-camrs and podcasters are making a great living by talking about this, and all the other "unspeakble" topics! And getting away with it...
@@Naren25 Perhaps you're new here? Are you positing an equivalence between the videos YT allows on its platform, and the conversations it allows in the comments?
@@drcrocodile1 Sorry, I didn't understand the specifics of your claim. I thought you meant comment in a general sense, as in making your voice heard on the platform, which Andrew Gold and his guest certainly do (while making a decent, if cynical, income servicing an algorithm that selects for outrage politics)
Didn't realise you meant comment as in writing text comments under the video. Comments may well suffer from automated moderation, I have no evidence one way or another.
@@Naren25 Yeah, many comments get auto-deleted when they contain certain words YT has determined are unfit for conversation. Unfortunately, many of these words are necessary to discuss hot-button issues. Personally, I never swear or say anything hateful, even so, around 50% of my comments are deleted if they come anywhere near topics related to the mid-East.
@@Naren25 Sorry, but that is untrue. There are numerous podcasters/bloggers who used to make a decent living, but as soon as they start defending Israel's right to exist, found that their channel is demonetized, and now beg for BuyMeACoffee or Superchat to sustain themselves.
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True Torah Jews Against Zionism
You have no dignity.
Love from Mexico 🇲🇽 away from all the madness of the West 💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖
How is Mexico not a Western country?! Just because y'all have a Native American name doesn't make it any less Western, it is a European-style Christian country that speaks a European language and almost everyone has European ancestry.
@@Planeet-Long Tienes razón.
You think you're safe?
Mexicans seem cool.
From a Brit 🇬🇧
Mexico has so many of its own problems..ok different from the West and the Islamists etc but very very serious problems with gangs and drugs and violence….don’t be so smug and think that it’s all wonderful there!
Ask yourselves how the arab colonizers built their mosque on top of the Jewish temple if the arabs were there first?
The whole Islamic claim to Jerusalem is based upon Muhammad on a flying donkey. Utter pagan drivel causes such evil as we see today. It's insane.
Always admired Tom’s ability to boil down concepts/ events into quick, accurate explanations for the casual observer. Sign of not just a good brain but I well informed one.
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Tom Slater is an amazingly intelligent, knowledgeable and articulate man. I enjoy 'Spiked' too!
Jordan Peterson:- we know when the right go too far, but not the left.. Well!! We are soon about to find that out
I don't actually agree with Peterson there. We already know what left-wing authoritarianism looks like. Most of the worst authoritarian regimes of the past hundred plus years have been left-wing socialist/communist regimes.
And despite what left-wing college professors have tried to claim about the Nazis being right-wing, the truth is, they were actually a hybrid ideology that took some ideas from the Left and some from the Right. I would say, furthermore, that the modern alt-right is composed of people with mixed left-wing and right-wing views.
He is Israel First.
@@cyberedge881 well, Nazis were in fact national-socialist
@@cyberedge881The nazis were as far right as possible and nothing to do with left wing anything.
This silly fantasy has become very prevalent with other crap about Mufti of Palestine.
Hotlar admired the ability of the left to unite people but that is it.
The left in those days was a synonym for jews.
Education is the issue.
British people are pretty thick.
@@evolassunglasses4673🙊
Tom saying people voted against Brexit because of a lack of understanding of the EU, 100%, I voted Remain and I regret it now after having had more of an insight into what the EU actually does and how it treated us throughout the negotiations.
The UK is now financially after Slovenia and you think Brexit was a good idea? It was so obviously the very rich and powerful wanting to make it a Singapore for the elite and bu**er the rest.
I was so glad to be totally unaware of Brexit….spending time without internet at a monastery in Myanmar. The fallout between people on both sides was incredible and I have friends who are remainers or even remoaners who won’t let it go and won’t accept that it was a majority vote to leave. From what I have seen since, I would definitely have voted to leave. The immorality and corruption in the EU beggars belief and their very childish actions towards U.K. have been astounding. Whatever you thought about vaccines, the fact that Ursula Von Der Leyen wouldn’t take British vaccines when potentially tens of thousands stood to die, just because the vaccines came from Britain was something unbelievably dark and despicable. I really hope that people can be less attached to very strong views to the extent where they would ‘sell their grandmother down the river’ and come to common sense and humanity first and foremost.
When Labour get in we are so fucked
Yeah, we are going through that right now in Australia. They are trying to ban everything except what they should be banning. And our Minister for Foreign Affairs Penny Wong has decided it's a good idea to give millions of taxpayers dollars to UNWRA. Unbelievable! They are the worst federal government we've had in my lifetime and that's saying something because I'm no spring chicken. 😊
Rubbish it's the Tory idiots 14 years of corrupt gov. Stick your right wing where it belongs
Yeah, that's true. But only because we're currently fucked, and whoever takes over will inherit a mess
@@Naren25 shat out by the Tories, shovelled up by Labour
We’re effed either way, the only difference is the flavour of the lube..
The flags, and the coaches to bus people into London costs a lot of money. Who is funding the weekly demonstrations?
Follow the oil money….
Iran,! And other muslim countries
Flags and coaches 'cost a lot of money' Really??
Yoo are profoundly stupid. @@Maccaboy1984
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The world has one has one common problem. ISLAM
Name one country where they don't create problems for the host country. Islam is a medieval, dark force.
16:34 Tommy was always an ally of Jews, and Sikhs and more. He isnt the man the Legacy Media and Elites like to paint. You should get him on the show.
I keep asking for examples and the identities of this right or even far right. No one can ever find them. Why?
Zio shill is a quality esteemed by this show? Well of course it is.
I'd like to see him interviewed more. He was so vilified by the media for things he never said and opinions he never held, and as the canary in the coal mine has proven to be spot on about many things. Alternative media should have the courage to admit they were wrong or were influenced by propaganda.
Two brave and intelligent men discussing our times
You said, "Tommy Robinson has gone the other way and is an ally to Jews now", implying that Tommy Robinson was at some point anti-semitic or that you would have expected him to lean that way. Tommy Robinson (and the EDL more broadly) has always been very pro-diversity. It's the main reason the neo-nazi far-right types hate Tommy Robinson and the EDL. He and the EDL really just stood against Islamism. Appreciate the media miss represent him and the EDL and you probably wouldn't be aware of that, but just thought it was worth noting.
Also, I understand from a business perspective why you can't have him on, but it's a shame because I think you guys would have a good convo and he'd probably surprise you with how uncontroversial the majority of his views are. The most controversial thing about Tommy Robison is that he speaks and acts like a working class guy so can sometimes speak and act in a way that I and other middle class types find distasteful.
Exactly. Tommy Robinso has always been pro Jewish, pro Sikh, etc. he has only had a problem with radical Islam.
Totally agree. Years ago they started vilifying him as far right and, as a gay man following him, I never heard him say anything I thought was other than reasonable-certainly Douglas Murray is far harsher and gets away with it.
@@paulwilliam8412 100% with you. Douglas Murray has literally argued that Europe should remain majority ethnically European, and while I'm not saying he's right or wrong on that, we should appreciate that's far further right that anything Tommy Robinson has ever said.
But I think you're touching on what I said about how the real crime of Tommy Robinson is that he's working class. Douglas Murray can argue far-right talking points while speaking a language familiar to middle-class progressives. While Tommy Robinson says stuff like "fuck Islam" in a working class accent so he checks all of the "uneducated white racist" boxes that makes him easy to cancel.
So you have a prejudice.
The tragic part of this is that the very same people slaughtered on October 7 are the very same people who are protesting on campuses. People who do not believe evil exists.
Anyone ever read a dystopian novel called "This Broken Land" by H M Sealey I think. It's really good. It depicts a future British society that's had a referendum to create a "British state of Islam" which takes over half the country.
That might become a reality in several european countries.
Sounds like it could give you nightmares
Hahahhaha you lil scaredy cat xD we DONT WANT TO ISLAMIZE YOUR COUNTRIES, we are fine, as long as we can pray in the privacy of our houses and designated mosques if possible, we do not want to do anything political, and that s most muslims, but of course you won't believe that, you think when i was growing up my dad was preparing me to take over europe lol ? Hell no I was running from the war in Libya, and came as a refugee and it took me 10 years to finally get citizenship, so from one human to another, you should relax
I live in Perth and I hear time and again people saying Australia has strict immigration policies, that we don't really let people in.
I say tell that to my Chinese neighbour who runs the local pharmacy.
I say tell that to the Indian immigrants who run my local IGA supermarket.
I say tell that to the Macedonian immigrants who run the liquor store.
I say tell that to all the Africans I see every time I go to Butler Spudshed that I didn't see a matter of a few years ago, all brought here during a housing crisis that's so much a problem that renting availability is at 0.4%
We aren't yet where the UK is or like so many nations in Europe, but we seem to be trying our hardest to catch up despite being girt by sea...
So if you don't mind, could you please let my government know that they're meant to be strict on immigration?
Hi from Perth also. I totally agree with your comment.
@@SueD138Hi Sue, up early with me I see :) Hope you have a good day!
@@MissTryALot you too. I work FIFO so up early. 😊
Friend of mine went to Perth recently and realised he was the only Caucasian on the bus he caught. He said it had completely changed since he was there 15 years previously.
@@annal2740 Yep, true that. It really is "Spot the Aussie"
Really looking forward to this
In Ireland, a little girl was also left on life support in that knife attack. Plus we had had a series of women murdered by migrants who had convictions for assault before moving to Ireland. So it was a tinderbox waiting to happen.
It is very uncomfortable in Ireland at present to listen to the outright antisemitism.
This is bizarre as Ireland was a refuge up to 1920/21 for Jews (note after Ireland gained its independence this started to change). The hypocrisy is dumbfounding within the chattering classes. They simply do not understand the history. They seem to have no respect that Israel doesn't have any natural resources. And yet they formed a powerhouse economy. So is it jealousy?
They have no idea of what Hamas actually believes in. They believe that Israel is trying to make a land grab. They have so much false information it is extremely hard to fight this. If RTE did their job, they could simply do a series of documentaries, but they won't as RTE (which is the state broadcaster) is made up of extreme left-wing people and Corbenista types. As an Irish Catholic (lapsed), I am embarrassed when I go home.
A great conversation.
Thank you ❤😂
Fabulous conversation, gents!
Another great interview, Goldie!
Yay! Great to see Tom making the rounds on long form conversations. He's young, insightful and has done his homework! Knowledgable and clear-sighted. Bodes well for the future. 🌞
Thank you Tom Slater, the UK needs more people like you
Amazing, never seen him interviewed in a long-form podcast. Sensible guy. Would be great to listen to a conversation with Ella Whelan too
Lets not forget many left leaning moderate people do not support terrorist organisations. Many of us simply condemn violence, human rights abuses, and certainly terroism and genocide whoever commits it. This is not a problem with the left or the right as we know it. It's a problem with extremism. Extremists on the left or the right cannot comprehend a problem that's even slightly complex. They must default to a simple who's right and who's wrong becsuse they are idealists by their nature. Even if everyone is wrong they will pick a side and stick to it religiously even if it means undermining their own arguments. Both the far left and far right do this all the time and frankly the two are almost indistinguishable from one another.
But it’s the Left that has weaponized empathy and metasticized within institutions and systems of government.
Very true 😔
Totally agree, this is also my opinion.
agree. many labour unions here in canada have vociferously expressed support for hummus and the oct 7 pogrom
Centre Leftists unite!
It’s not Phobia,it’s very rational fear of savages.
Thank you, great interview ... yet again! ❤
A terrific interview, thank you.
everyone seems apologetic towards islam as if they dont have agency whereas they very much do more than most
Excellent discussion👌🏻
thank you for a very interesting interview
great interview
26:10 the Don't Look Back in Anger wasnt a ground-up response, it was the implementation of the existing security services planned response should there be an attack in Manchester. It was more manipulation by government.
Where do you think the professional signs came from?
Or that a woman who just lost her baby would be talking coherently on racial politics....
Young Tom is fantastic. Really enjoy his work and this discussion.
Wonderful interview. I quit the left when I realised just how ingrained anti-Semitism had become within my then super-liberal, on the side of the angels, woke friendship group and I could no longer accept the gross hypocrisy. I don't think I can ever truly atone for my political sins but I take every opportunity now to point it out that hypocrisy whenever and wherever I see it which you can imagine has cost me the loss of friends and family and the odd altercation at pro-palestinian protests. I don't think most people realise the extent to which the left has lost its mind over Israel and Islam. Just as the right has a blind spot over Trump so the left has blinkers on over Islam.
Trump is the most Pro Israel President in history. He has Jewish grandchildren. Comparing Trump to Islamists shows how the lefty brainwashing has worked on you.
Bollocks! Israel has killed 17,000 children in the last few months. It breaks international and domestic law, violates human rights, imprisons Palestinians without trial, and has violated 28 United Nations resolutions. Opposing Israel's extremes is NOT anti-Semitic. its the same act as opposing Nazi Germany's extremes. Principle is principle. Law is law. Human beings are human beings. Israel does not get to ignore the rules as if it was a special case. Its not. Only vain racists would say that it was.
I have tried to learn as much as I could about the Israel/Palestine situation over the years and it is a subject I have always struggled with. What infuriates me is that most people have an opinion sometimes very loud, but it's clear that they do not know what they're talking about. This was before October 7. Now I just cannot believe the reactions over the world. It has gone crazy I agree. I hope people watch your interview and don't just HATE because of the subject, but actually listen and try to understand. It is complex.
I've learnt soo much since Oct 7 too 🙏
Have you heard the recent Jordan Peterson and Mosab Hassan Yousef (son of a Hamas founder now Israel supporter) interview. Mosab explains the history extremely well
@@robynreid21 mosab don't play around
Thank you for a fascinating conversation.
Thanks Andrew! Tom is so clear-headed and eloquent! I always watch the Spiked podcast and see him on there, I also subscribe to Spiked and occasionally read his articles, but this is the first long-form solo interview I've seen of him, so thanks!
Thank you!! You’re always there ☺️ and yes I felt it was time to get him on the big stage haha. He’s a great intellect.
@@andrewgoldheretics Towards Islam/Muslim(s), Why so paranoid? th-cam.com/users/shortsDCtS1DrlO9Y?si=rYHz_AfXafLed7xr
One of your better ones. Thank you.
Excellent! Thank you!
It’s just popped into my head, a couple of years ago, people who introduce themselves and say they are vegan. Now it’s pronouns.
Excellent interview.
Great chat guys. I fully agree we are on the same page.
Love Tom Slater - clear, succinct communicator.
Tom Slater is just awesome great guest
Thank you so much for this conversation! It’s reassuring to see some sanity and moral clarity around this topic.
I really appreciate you bringing this to heretics and broaching this subject in the maturity it deserved.
One of the best reasoned analysises I've seen
It's a confused version of the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
The only reason the leftists like Islamists is because they share their hatred of the West.
Friend in the same sense like Hitler and Stalin
and this is a dangerous philosophy to have - see Nelson Mandela who chose to support Palestine exactly for that reason, even though Black South Africa, ie. ANC has no historical ties to Arabs/Palestine, rather South Africa DOES have a history of Jewish immigration - Ben Gurion's foreign minister was South African! A large number of White South Africans who supported Black South Africans and the ANC during the struggle against apartheid ...were Jewish !
....."As I went out one morning to breathe the air around Tom Payne's -
I saw the fairest damsel that ever did walk in chains.
She offered me her hand, she took me by the arm -
'I'm sorry,sir, she said to me', 'I'm sorry for what they've done...' ."
Anyone remember this song?
Great talk. It’s so good to hear clear minded thought.
Thank you guys, i 100% agree with with your conclusions...
many are confused, unaware and misinformed - this is the power of social media
we need new laws that make people with + certain amount of followers liable when spreading
repeated lies or force the platforms to handle it much better.
A wonderful Pesach filled with many blessings throughout the year for you and your loved ones Andrew! 🙏🏻💕🇮🇱‼️
Red-Green Axis to unmake us.
Great guest Andrew 👌
This is a good one.
Islamophobia term and tactic came from Iran
After the british kicked out the peoples government and replaced with the hardcore islamists? Just as they handed the holy land to the zionists?
From Muslim
Brotherhood I believe.
@@hugolindum7728 could be
@@hugolindum7728correct.
@@annechapman-hq4rjso not Iran but Egypt.
Now do anti semitism. Here’s a clue Lev BRONSTEIN better known as Leon Trotsky.
This is phenomenally well balanced compared to a lot of podcasts.
I'm going to enjoy this 😊
Tom Slater - definitely a 'gold standard' luminary. The Hitch, Douglas Murray, Brendan O'Neil.. they're the ones..
Evening heretics ❤