As an owner of both the borsigiana and the large form, this isn't true lol. Borsigiana can get inner fenestration, the leaves just won't get as big and it wont get as many inner fenestration. And both will have "winged" geniculum as they both mature
But will it get the heavily stacked nodes, like shown in the video? The small form can definitely get inner fenestrations (usually a single row, not secondary), and even winged geniculum (never seen 2-3 oscillations), but usually the internodal spacing won’t be that close. Having ALL three of these characteristics, with of course large leaves, is a pretty clear indicator of having true large form deliciosa.
See my comment in the comment section. The information in this video is sadly incorrect. It is true that it is very difficult to get a deliciosa to get multiple rows of fenestrations. This however is related to the maturity of the plant, the amount of light and the growing medium used(soil mix, leca, lavarock etc)
Since everyone is confused: Monstera Deliciosa is the recognised (and only) species for these plants. The one with the fenestrations is just the adult version of the deliciosa, those also have knuckles behind the most adult leafs(not all leafs with fenestrations have them). The adult version is also called the monstera deliciosa large form she can also bloom and produce fruit in the right enviroment. The borsigiana is the young version which is not matured she can have leafs with and without slits on the sides, the ones with slits are more adult than the one without but younger than the ones with fenestrations. But make no mistake! When a plant is badly treated they can revert back to small form(without fenestrations). If a large form is cut in half she will first push out a small leaf without slits that will fall off, after that one she will push out big leafs. A full adult Deliciosa has both knuckles(wrinkles beehind the leaf and fenestrations. It’s quite rare that they flower but when they do they produce a whiteish flower that turnes in a longish cornlike fruit. After its ripe its safe to eat, from these fruits the plant gets its name(Deliciosa). The fruit smells very strongly like a fruitsmoothy/ ripe fruit and tastes like pineapple, kiwi and banana. Very weird and delicious, just make sure its ripe(when the outer scales come off on its own). I’ve been lucky enough to have had fruits and flowers multiple times, it takes about a year for the plant to go from flowering to having pickable fruits. I grow multiple species and variations of monstera’s so i deal with them a lot. FYI variations are for axample variegata aurea and mints. Those names would be added after the plant names. After the variation name one can put a specific trait after the varigation name. So for example: Monstera(family) Deliciosa(spiecies) Aurea(varigation) Yellow Yasmin(trait). The one named is basically a deliciosa with yellow spots and stripes on them, very pretty and expensive. Hope this info helps!
Thank you for this fantastic comment explaining that borsigiana is just a juvenile plant. I have a deliciosa that has "borsigiana traits" on its lower leaves before it entered my care and got a pole and *gasp* suddenly my borsigiana is now a deliciosa on its top leaves!
@@connorallred8804 no probs! In future you should refer to the borsigiana as a juvenile deliciosa. That is the correct naming for this kind of plant. As soon as fenestration start showing it will be a mature plant. The point i made about the possibility of a plant reverting to a earlier stage of maturing still stands. The stages are: germination(from seed to spore), seedling(first leafs no cuts), juvenile plant(bigger leafs with cuts most seen in stores) and mate(with genestrations possibility to bloom and produce fruit) there are a couple of smaller stages in the mature stage of the plant, this is where the amount of fenestration, knuckles and blooming come in. The really fully matured plants are quite rare as houseplants. You can achieve getting a mature plant easiest by propagation from a mature plant. With propagation the best option is a top cutting, these rarely revert back, a bottom cutting(stem, roots, growpoint and sometimes a leaf) in ideal circumstances will first push out a long stem with a small leaf after which she’ll push out a mature leaf. After the mature leaf is all set the small leaf will die off. This however is in the ideal circumstances. Growing a adult from a juvenile takes longer, best bet is to give it lots of growing room with a real mosspole(not those cocosthings) or let it crawl and give it lots of light and humidity.
You answered something I’ve been trying to find out for ages about how a large form monstera will put out a small leaf at first then larger one later. I hope that’s correct!!! 🤞🤞🤞
@@my2wins something like that. So when a mid section cutting is grown it will push out a small leaf one that looks like a juvenile. After that it will go to large form. This however is only when the plant/ cutting grew in the perfect situation. Aka it had some roots(not just airroot, brow roots) enough light and a good medium(where the plant sits in). That is why most times when cutting a monstera in half(cut and extend) the plant will continue it’s adult leafs after pushing one small leaf out. A cutting however can take multiple leafs to grow a large form, or in bad situations it will not continue getting bigger leafs. Hope this helps!
@@connorallred8804 Unfortunately there's lots of misinformation that gets repeated here. Instead of trusting someone else you can see it with your own eyes. Here's a video showing both large and small form being grown outside and you can clearly see the differences between the two. th-cam.com/video/sBprGjzCSGg/w-d-xo.html
I really appreciate your research and the time and effort you put into everything. This is so interesting, it’ll be cool to see how the Thai Con evolves as generations pass! Thanks for the info, and thanks for the sources!
I have multiple highly variegated Monstera albo and the mother plant does have inner fenestrations as well. The reason the ones like in the video don't have them is that they're not fertilized properly.
@@PrinzessKennY Tripart, Root Booster, Golden Nectar (aka. Fulvic) from General Hydroponics. If you're outside America, then the company is called Terra Aquatica. I grow my plants hydroponically in Leca. For this I use a net pot in a larger pot that holds the nutrient solution. The water level is kept consistently at about 1/3rd of the net pot's height. Every 14-30 days the solution gets replaced. Before filling with new solution, the Leca gets flushed with normal tap water to prevent mineral buildup. Any water that evaporates in-between nutrient changes is replaced with pure tap water. for pots that are too large to put in the shower or have a tall moss pole, changes are done like you would do on an aquarium, by using a tube to drain out the water. Especially Monstera and Philodendron develop great water roots, no problem with any root rot as they reach below the water level. I've had great success using this method and have sold 7 Monstera albo plants up to this point. However, the nutrients also have directions on how to mix them if you're using them on plants potted in soil. 👍
Hey there! So there is a bit of misinformation going on here sadly! So there is only one spiecies shown here: Monstera Deliciosa. This plant knows multiple stages from seedling to adult and can also revert back to stages when not treated properly. A big adult/ large form deliciosa has the knuckles behind the leaf. The holes in the plant come usually in the stage before adulthood(and they have knuckles) the adult plant can also bloom although this is quite rare. They produce a whiteish flower that turnes in a longish cornlike fruit. After its ripe its safe to eat, from these fruits the plant gets its name. The fruit smells very strongly like a fruitsmoothy/ ripe fruit and tastes like pineapple, kiwi and banana. Very weird and delicious, just make sure its ripe(when the outer scales come off on its own). I’ve been lucky enough to have had fruits and flowers multiple times, it takes about a year for the plant to go from flowering to having pickable fruits.
I have a baby monstera, that I've been told is deliciosa. Can't wait till it's more mature and I can actually use these tips to find out if it is or not
@@wanderotter4667 I agree I have one that’s been in my family since the 70s even under full light and perfect conditions I can’t get the node spacing smaller than 4 inches. I’ve propagated thousands of cuttings. I’ve matured the plant many times up to seven splits but never had any holes, and never had a leaf over 10 inches long and the leaves are less round and less heart-shaped. It really looks like a vera gated Alba that’s reverted but it was never variegated to begin with
As an owner of both the borsigiana and the large form, this isn't true lol. Borsigiana can get inner fenestration, the leaves just won't get as big and it wont get as many inner fenestration. And both will have "winged" geniculum as they both mature
And the debate continues….dun dun duuunnnn. ✌️🫶🤭🤣
But will it get the heavily stacked nodes, like shown in the video?
The small form can definitely get inner fenestrations (usually a single row, not secondary), and even winged geniculum (never seen 2-3 oscillations), but usually the internodal spacing won’t be that close. Having ALL three of these characteristics, with of course large leaves, is a pretty clear indicator of having true large form deliciosa.
So true
Mine hasn't matured and now I had something to look forward to. I have seen people call the borsageana small form deliscosa.
See my comment in the comment section. The information in this video is sadly incorrect. It is true that it is very difficult to get a deliciosa to get multiple rows of fenestrations. This however is related to the maturity of the plant, the amount of light and the growing medium used(soil mix, leca, lavarock etc)
Since everyone is confused: Monstera Deliciosa is the recognised (and only) species for these plants. The one with the fenestrations is just the adult version of the deliciosa, those also have knuckles behind the most adult leafs(not all leafs with fenestrations have them). The adult version is also called the monstera deliciosa large form she can also bloom and produce fruit in the right enviroment. The borsigiana is the young version which is not matured she can have leafs with and without slits on the sides, the ones with slits are more adult than the one without but younger than the ones with fenestrations. But make no mistake! When a plant is badly treated they can revert back to small form(without fenestrations). If a large form is cut in half she will first push out a small leaf without slits that will fall off, after that one she will push out big leafs. A full adult Deliciosa has both knuckles(wrinkles beehind the leaf and fenestrations. It’s quite rare that they flower but when they do they produce a whiteish flower that turnes in a longish cornlike fruit. After its ripe its safe to eat, from these fruits the plant gets its name(Deliciosa). The fruit smells very strongly like a fruitsmoothy/ ripe fruit and tastes like pineapple, kiwi and banana. Very weird and delicious, just make sure its ripe(when the outer scales come off on its own). I’ve been lucky enough to have had fruits and flowers multiple times, it takes about a year for the plant to go from flowering to having pickable fruits. I grow multiple species and variations of monstera’s so i deal with them a lot. FYI variations are for axample variegata aurea and mints. Those names would be added after the plant names. After the variation name one can put a specific trait after the varigation name. So for example: Monstera(family) Deliciosa(spiecies) Aurea(varigation) Yellow Yasmin(trait). The one named is basically a deliciosa with yellow spots and stripes on them, very pretty and expensive. Hope this info helps!
Thank you for this fantastic comment explaining that borsigiana is just a juvenile plant. I have a deliciosa that has "borsigiana traits" on its lower leaves before it entered my care and got a pole and *gasp* suddenly my borsigiana is now a deliciosa on its top leaves!
@@connorallred8804 no probs! In future you should refer to the borsigiana as a juvenile deliciosa. That is the correct naming for this kind of plant. As soon as fenestration start showing it will be a mature plant. The point i made about the possibility of a plant reverting to a earlier stage of maturing still stands. The stages are: germination(from seed to spore), seedling(first leafs no cuts), juvenile plant(bigger leafs with cuts most seen in stores) and mate(with genestrations possibility to bloom and produce fruit) there are a couple of smaller stages in the mature stage of the plant, this is where the amount of fenestration, knuckles and blooming come in. The really fully matured plants are quite rare as houseplants. You can achieve getting a mature plant easiest by propagation from a mature plant. With propagation the best option is a top cutting, these rarely revert back, a bottom cutting(stem, roots, growpoint and sometimes a leaf) in ideal circumstances will first push out a long stem with a small leaf after which she’ll push out a mature leaf. After the mature leaf is all set the small leaf will die off. This however is in the ideal circumstances. Growing a adult from a juvenile takes longer, best bet is to give it lots of growing room with a real mosspole(not those cocosthings) or let it crawl and give it lots of light and humidity.
You answered something I’ve been trying to find out for ages about how a large form monstera will put out a small leaf at first then larger one later. I hope that’s correct!!! 🤞🤞🤞
@@my2wins something like that. So when a mid section cutting is grown it will push out a small leaf one that looks like a juvenile. After that it will go to large form. This however is only when the plant/ cutting grew in the perfect situation. Aka it had some roots(not just airroot, brow roots) enough light and a good medium(where the plant sits in). That is why most times when cutting a monstera in half(cut and extend) the plant will continue it’s adult leafs after pushing one small leaf out. A cutting however can take multiple leafs to grow a large form, or in bad situations it will not continue getting bigger leafs. Hope this helps!
@@connorallred8804 Unfortunately there's lots of misinformation that gets repeated here. Instead of trusting someone else you can see it with your own eyes. Here's a video showing both large and small form being grown outside and you can clearly see the differences between the two. th-cam.com/video/sBprGjzCSGg/w-d-xo.html
I really appreciate your research and the time and effort you put into everything. This is so interesting, it’ll be cool to see how the Thai Con evolves as generations pass! Thanks for the info, and thanks for the sources!
Agree to the internodal spacing and the knuckles or wringles on the petiole.
I have multiple highly variegated Monstera albo and the mother plant does have inner fenestrations as well. The reason the ones like in the video don't have them is that they're not fertilized properly.
@@PrinzessKennY Tripart, Root Booster, Golden Nectar (aka. Fulvic) from General Hydroponics. If you're outside America, then the company is called Terra Aquatica.
I grow my plants hydroponically in Leca. For this I use a net pot in a larger pot that holds the nutrient solution. The water level is kept consistently at about 1/3rd of the net pot's height.
Every 14-30 days the solution gets replaced. Before filling with new solution, the Leca gets flushed with normal tap water to prevent mineral buildup. Any water that evaporates in-between nutrient changes is replaced with pure tap water.
for pots that are too large to put in the shower or have a tall moss pole, changes are done like you would do on an aquarium, by using a tube to drain out the water.
Especially Monstera and Philodendron develop great water roots, no problem with any root rot as they reach below the water level.
I've had great success using this method and have sold 7 Monstera albo plants up to this point. However, the nutrients also have directions on how to mix them if you're using them on plants potted in soil. 👍
mine has leaves identical to the deliciosa, just a lot smaller. :)
I’m sooo confused with mine. It just doesn’t have the ripples..she give me mixed signals. 😂
If it’s a big albo with inner fenestrations, it’s probably large form deliciosa!
Hey there! So there is a bit of misinformation going on here sadly! So there is only one spiecies shown here: Monstera Deliciosa. This plant knows multiple stages from seedling to adult and can also revert back to stages when not treated properly. A big adult/ large form deliciosa has the knuckles behind the leaf. The holes in the plant come usually in the stage before adulthood(and they have knuckles) the adult plant can also bloom although this is quite rare. They produce a whiteish flower that turnes in a longish cornlike fruit. After its ripe its safe to eat, from these fruits the plant gets its name. The fruit smells very strongly like a fruitsmoothy/ ripe fruit and tastes like pineapple, kiwi and banana. Very weird and delicious, just make sure its ripe(when the outer scales come off on its own). I’ve been lucky enough to have had fruits and flowers multiple times, it takes about a year for the plant to go from flowering to having pickable fruits.
I have a baby monstera, that I've been told is deliciosa. Can't wait till it's more mature and I can actually use these tips to find out if it is or not
It’s very likely it’s a deliciosa
How do you know when you won the Al o give away from a couple videos ago
Just so we’re clear, Borsigiane has the crinkles in the stem as well!
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I just call them all mon mon
And they can both have inner fenestrations as well..
And my Thai constellation is a…?
There's nothing such as small form thai constell
I will always say Borsigiana and sansevieria I don't care what the fancy pantsy science nerds say 💪
The thing is the 'nerds' are wrong. Just because Borsigiana isnt in a fancy plant journal doesn't mean it doesnt exist.#teamborsigiana
@@wanderotter4667 I agree I have one that’s been in my family since the 70s even under full light and perfect conditions I can’t get the node spacing smaller than 4 inches. I’ve propagated thousands of cuttings. I’ve matured the plant many times up to seven splits but never had any holes, and never had a leaf over 10 inches long and the leaves are less round and less heart-shaped. It really looks like a vera gated Alba that’s reverted but it was never variegated to begin with