Ukraine & Russia's Peace Negotiations LEAKED - Unexpected Agreements | Why Did It Fail?
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If you do a geographical comparison there isn't much difference. But Russia has much better troop numbers. They have also demonstrated they are serious. They are taking this territory.
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Ukraine did not say it was ridicules etc that is just made that up after... the
chief negotiator are on an interview listen to that interview
The reason you didn't see any terrible sticking points is because there weren't any. The reason they rejected the treaty is because the west sent people in to pressure Zelensky to reject it, which he did by attacking Russia, AFTER Russia had withdrawn from territories.
Willy you r beginning to sound ridiculous now. American press leaks something and your conclusion is that Putin is trying to discredit the summit in Switzerland. If I have diarrhea today, I guess it’s Putin trying to discredit the Swiss summit
The lives of Ukrainian soldiers are “much cheaper” than the lives of military personnel from the United States and Europe - Polish President Andrzej Duda
Very sad but probably true.
Russians are cheaper still.
Sad but true.
Not at $400,000 payout per Kia.
@davidlloyd2583 that's why Zelensky lied about the Ukr KIA , coz it's expensive to pay for at least 150K KIA, better say 30K
The so-called best friends of Ukraine, the Baltic states, UK and Poland, those who hate the country the most, want as many Ukrainians to die as possible. Poland wants to send back Ukrainians who flee to avoid becoming cannon fodder. As demonic as this is, they are helping the U set up minefields at the borders. When this war is over, Ukrainians will hate the West, realize they have been manipulated. The aim has ALWAYS been to strategically defeat Russia, not to help Ukraine. No one talks about medical care for Ukrainian soldiers on the front line or what happens to their wives/widows or what the country of Ukraine will be like in 15 years. The US and the West have the same imperialist mindset as Africa 100 years ago.The so-called best friends of Ukraine, the Baltic states, UK and Poland, those who hate the country the most, want as many Ukrainians to die as possible. Poland wants to send back Ukrainians who flee to avoid becoming cannon fodder. As demonic as this is, they are helping the U set up minefields at the borders. When this war is over, Ukrainians will hate the West, realize they have been manipulated. The aim has ALWAYS been to strategically defeat Russia, not to help Ukraine. No one talks about medical care for Ukrainian soldiers on the front line or what happens to their wives/widows or what the country of Ukraine will be like in 15 years. The US and the West have the same imperialist mindset as Africa 100 years ago.
I’ve heard 3 Ukrainian negotiators that have spoken publicly and said “the deal was beneficial for ukraine”, that Russia was willing to comprise, and that “Putin was doing all he could to end the war”, and one even said they had popped champagne to celebrate that they had just ended the war with a good deal for Ukraine. All then added that the deal was paused but none of them knew why. Neftali Bennett, prime minister of Israel at the time, was involved in early negotiations and said in an interview that the u.s. and uk ‘blocked the negotiations’. Later the foreign minister of Turkey who moderated the Istanbul talks said the very same happened with this deal. And then a 4th Ukrainian negotiator was shot in the head and left on the street in Kiev. The Ukrainian SBU admitted to the murder (or extrajudicial killing) and said he was a traitor.
It is Kyiv.
A lot of Banderites have positions within the SBU.
Source: trust me bro the Russians are the good guys
Literally just made 90% of that up.
@@tallshort1849 no no, the West is obviously the good guys. Look how they "liberated" all the gold out of Iraq and Libya 😂
Naivete is all around here xD
A peace conference without one of the belligerents is a joke. A paid Swiss holiday for participants.
The Allies held many peace conferences without Hitler. They got it all sorted out and made sure everyone was on page and on side. Putin doesn't deserve to have a say in the future of Ukraine.
@@MrJ0lly What kind of conference did the overdue Zelensky invite Russia to?
I remember that it was NOT Russia that deliberately forbade itself all negotiations with Ukraine.
Recall that on September 30, 2022, the President of Ukraine, Vladimir Zelensky, signed a decree in which he forbade himself to negotiate with Putin.
❓And WHICH "peace conferences" of Russia are "discredited"?
@@evgeniya7853 yeah i was wrong about that, russia was forbidden to join copenhagen & swiss peacetalks
i dont think that contradicts that putin is unwilling to come to terms though. after every defeat he's suffered he calls for a ceasefire & for talks & says ukraine is acting in bad faith. he positions himself as open & pragmatic
the only talks he in reality seems interested in are ones that china has significant amount of control & the west's influence is limited whereas Ukraine, especially in the early days, pushed for peace through all channels with all powers including the UN which of course Putin ignored & refused
what is your position? are you really one of these people that thinks russia is anti-imperialist & a force for good against the west whilst invading their neighbours & interfering with wagner in africa & the middle east?
@@MrJ0lly You are promoting a world where peace agreements are fiction (Minsk 2), war is waged with many lives lost, and ultimately the loser wants to settle for an earlier position and not the current reality. A world void of diplomacy and only knows war.
@@larrybrus6209
no, i am not, i am saying that putin's ambitions are naked for all to see.
putin declared this war and the same message is on russian state tv everyday: the west is next, moldova is next, retake the baltic, retake the caucasus, etc. There can't be peace when russia clearly aims to restore some empire of the past - you are completely ignoring the actions & foreign policy of putin over the last 25 years if you think that if ukraine surrendered tomorrow russia would be content & peaceful from now on, you have to see the writing on the wall
Neutrality is not new to Ukraine. The 1991 constitution committed Ukraine to neutrality with a prohibition on joining any military alliance. That was removed in 2017 and replaced with a declaration to commit to joining NATO.
Yes, Ukraine removed many things during that time including a law that prohibits foreign entities from owning property. Once that law was removed, American corporations and politicians started buying lots of assets in Ukraine. Blackrock, Mon Santo, Hunter Biden, Jared Kushner, etc.
yeah i wonder what happened that forced ukraine to break it's neutrality and start pursuing a military alliance, i don't know maybe something in 2014, really can't remember, shit i guess it's a mistery
Strange, why was removed????? Because fascist imperil Russia took Crimea, started cover war in Donbas UKRAINE NEVER AGAIN E NEUTRAL !
In 1991 Ukraine was a dictatorship just like russia and belarus still is even though all of them were supposed to be democratic and sovereign countries with no influence over each other after the USSR broke up... russia under Putin always intended to regain the lost USSR territories which we have seen numerous times through the years in Moldova, Georgia and in Ukraine...
@@thomaslunde5014 wait what? thats false
Yelzin was in power in 1991 there where elections, only Belarus wasnt.
get your facts right.
as for brining USSR myth.
can you tell me why Georgia isnt part of Russia? after 2008 can you tell me why Russian troops withrawl from going to Tablisi? you have 0 historical knowledge.
Russians destroyed Georgian military and yet I still see Georgia on the map with still free elections going on ever since 2008.
It's not a peace conference It's a
War Conference 😅
Idk why we still mentioning this crap, every country that attends it has no brains, that's the only benefit this peace conference will show, why the world is in the shit while smart countries are the only one moving forward.
Has it concluded already?
That was quick.
@user-ul9dv2iv9s it never happened to begin with! Peace talks in Yugoslavia meant all parties and not including Russia is wasting time!
Russia doesn't invite anyone to participate in peace talks.
It simply demands.
the Final communique has already been written ,it's published on the Reuters site
it will be approved by the Nato majority ......the rest will have little to say .
There will be some speeches , mostly meaningless for domestic consumption and it will be proclaimed a success
The Reason why the early negotiations failed was Boris Johnson.
Johnson was doing as he was told by the globalist corporations, western government's are nothing but globalist cock sucking puppets
Another Russian bot. You all have the same script I see.
Proof?
Johnson was doing what he was told to do, by the globalist corporations, all western government's are puppets to the globalist,
@@super-super- Honestly, Willy should just remove the ability to comment on these videos at this point, it's such a cesspool.
It cannot be a peace summit without Russia partaking.
Russia and peace do not go well together, so no, Russia is not welcome.
That's more of the "fundraising"... or some kind of group psychotherapy session for mister Zelensky.
"peace summit" and "Russia" in 1 Sentence, great humor.
@@slippingsnake like your oune comment, cuz no one else will
@@slippingsnake Peace summit without the nation youre fighting, great humor but I think you spelled GB or USA wrong.
Minsk agreement was the best terms Ukraine were going to get. Stambul was second best so onwards. It's like a gambler in the casino. longer you stay, the worse you are except it's not just money but slavic lifes.. as US senator said the best investment US ever did. As per Soros' plan from 90s...
Putin gave them their last one yesterday. The next one will be the terms of unconditional surrender according to the Duma officials.
As per Albert Rosenberg plan from 1942. That's where Euro-American Nаzіs of today are coming from.
@@muratbayraktar5035Wont matter. Peace deals will be when russia and Ukraine sit around a table and both Ukraine and russia have things granted. Uncondtional surrender will not happen.
@@RK-cj4oc it will happen when Ukraine collapses. It wont be tomorrow or probably not even next year, but you cant crowdfund a war and you cant keep your civilian economy running with generators.
@@RK-cj4oc it will happen when Ukraine collapses. It will not be tomorrow, wont be next week, month or probably even year but eventually they will collapse. Russian numbers are 700k now inside Ukraine, 2 years ago they were 200k, meanwhile 45+ people are dragged from the streets in Ukraine to man the front, rinky dink generators are used to run even the most basic appliances and the economy is none existent. Ukraine didnt even have a single winter with blackouts, they will have it now. You cant win a war with small generators and donations. They will eventually collapse. All this could have been avoided.
Remember, Ukraine's chief negotiator was gunned down on a Kiev street by the sbu...
This was forgotten by the mainstream media, as was the fact that Boris ordered the puppet government of Ukraine to renounce peace
he was not hes still alive and done interviews saying the same as Russia... it was one negotiatorthat was gunned down but he was not chief negotiator.
@@Moontrue1on1 if the chief is gunned down, it would make sense that the negotiator now is chief...McFlyyy!
Did russian "news" tell you that? Nobody was gunned down, Ukraine as right to defend themselves. Also, it's Kyiv, not "Kiev".
@@super-super- bot
Ukraine is a NATO ruled colony since 2014, not an independent nation.
They are recognized member of UN, that's enough
You misspelled Zog Occupied
@@demivik5812 enough for what?
@@demivik5812won’t you be surprised when you learn that NATO has used Ukraine to overthrow Russia since 2014. We are committing war crimes by prolonging this war.
@@demivik5812 Bunch of USA-occupied islands also recognized members of UN, they serve just as its additional votes and always vote same as Washington. Ukraine now reduced to same level, mockery of the concept of independent state
I'm sure the average Ukrainian was demanding to have nato weapons pointing at their neighbor.🙄
Just as much as they wanted their neighbour to invade and war in 2014
@@abroamg 2014 was a US backed coup that overthrown a DEMOCRATICALLY elected Ukrainian government... get your facts straight mate!
Not as much "wanted", as "don't care while it's not about me". There is Ukrainian phraseologism "Moiya khata s kraiyu" (lit. "my house is on the fringe of the village") which means that they don't care about society they live in, only about themselves. They joked about people who died from air dropped bombs and missiles in Donbass, that they died from "air-conditioners blowing up" even before militia formed and they were anti-coup instead of being separatists.
@@abroamg Well that's exactly the point. Everyone paying attention well understood with great certainty that one follows the other and that in the end Ru ssia would wreck that place permanently rather than have a hostile military force stationed there against them.
@@braveheart4603 Of course, Russia does not want NATO on the Russian border
The given text is more suited to reason than ridicule, afaics. Shame the negotiations fell through that'd have been some hundreds of thousands of people still alive.
It's all about the money (and resources, Lindsay Graham had a slip and told the truth for once a few days ago: several trillions worth of resources and most of them are controlled by Russia right now)
This was a pretty sweet deal, Zelenzky should have taken it.
@@joelrios3704 disbanding so much of your army that you had less than you started with? having 2 of the countries guarnteeing your security being russia (the people who invaded you) & china and they have the power to veto any military aid as part of a security assistance package?
yeah sweet deal man - see the writing on the wall, russia just wanted to reorganise & reconstitute its forces to re-invade a weakened Ukraine
This was publicly available information for months. People like Ritter have been talking about this for months.
The point that blew my mind during the Turkey peace talks, was that it stated that Russia even offered Ukraine article 5 protections from NATO.
I wonder why that never made headlines in Western "news".
But you know........ "Truth" is "Russian Propaganda". 😂
The twice convicted pedo again. He's a complete kremlin shill. That anyone belive a word he says is beyond me.
That's Scott Ritter the convicted Peodphile?
Those early Negotiations where known to Readers that wanted to know, more than 2 years ago.
it was known to people that dont believe the lies of western MSM. this channel is a joke. this is not even ground breaking news....Willy better get out of his cave and look at the world with his own eyes and see reality for what it is....
Now you know how people in Germany "did not know" about the Holocaust. They chose not to.
Russia's first proposal is always the best. The second proposal is worse than the first. The third proposal is worse than the second. Etc.
Let see mr. Zelensky said that Ukraine will continue the war on and on because they have the west still supporting them, well If Ukraine want to do this let them have with their way. Only thing we can do is watch till the end who gonna run out of man first "To the last Ukraine" or "Russia collapse" who knows right?
The heirs to Genghis Khan have learned their lesson well.
Is that what you're saying?
@@user-ul9dv2iv9s More like Russia grew up fighting nomadic hordes successfully. Negotiation which attained minimal critical national interests without much cost is best then attrition to claim victory otherwise.
The effect of the Mongol occupation of that part of Europe lives on today in a cruel, expansionist, militaristic Russia today.
They never discussed the worth of nor would abandon their empire.
They are doubling down on their right to demand occupation, or in place of that, control over the sovereignty of their neighbours accompanied with constant threats.
The third one will be Ukraine's unconditional surrender.
Am i going insane or has this agreement been know for about 2 years?
It was not talked about in the supposedly free press until very early 2024 or so
@@zheldor651 a year ago, the head of the ruling party of Ukraine, Arakhamiya, said in the media that Ukraine had received a favorable agreement with Russia, but Boris Johnson flew to Kiev and forbade Ukraine to sign the agreement.
It’s been known that “an agreement” was proposed and rejected because of the UK. Nobody really knew exactly what the terms both parties agreed to were (especially with respect to limitation of Ukraine’s military equipment)
@@russ_6214 The agreement of March 2022 was initiated ( . This means that when signing the contract, it is impossible to make changes or renegotiate.
@@championknifefake news BOT. Try to sell this misinformation to your ruSSian comrades.
It's a zelensky comedy show. It's not a peace plan.
Never heard a peace summit without the other side presence
Never heard a peace plan where the invader declares to claims the not conquered territory as its own. So he is even to scared to fight for that extra territory as it will cost him at least 1000 thousand ruSSian soldiers a day and he is afraid for the reaction of the ruSSian mothers!
@ericpts6811 you have no knowledge of the history of Russia.
Am not lecturing your immoral thinking. The fact that the matter is Ukraine is a lost country. Russa is grinding the Ukraine army slowly. The more Ukraine refuse to accept the putin deal, the more territories and soldiers they lose.
@@ericpts6811 Russia has the upper hand, so its only common sense that they will ask for more than they have.
yup, its essential for Zelensky to be involved as it lends legitimacy to his 'presidency'.
Are you joking? this has been known for 2 years.
Pro UA channels are slow on this. Back then he was on full copium for UA side.
Yes, but widly hidden by msm.
His copium dealer must have been running dry.
...and these things are kinda pointless to talk about now, aren't they?
The final proposal was rejected. There's no going back anymore.
Public knowledge for two years to those of us is that either know Russian or have Telegram, and breaking news, formerly FAKE RUSSIAN news to people on the Nazi propaganda feed.
I think most neutral people would regard the terms offered by Russia to be quite reasonable. It suggests that Russia would withdraw from much of the territory it held at that time, except for Crimea and possibly parts of Donetsk and Luhansk.This was well before the annexation of Kherson and Zaporizhia. The Ukrainians should have accepted.
In addition Russia added a defense for Ukraine, in case Russia invades again.
A removal of its veto power in the conflict is really massive..
Fair if you're Russian, not if you're Ukrainian.
@@richardk5246 Do you believe the next deal would be more favorable to Ukraine?
@@richardk5246 and what about it is not fair lmao
The original proposal was to rent Kherson and Zaporozhye ("land bridge" to Crimea, strategically important for the peninsula's life, as water and electricity source) for generous price. Ukraine refused. Now they're going to ask to rent Odessa by the end of SMO.
These documents weren't "leaked". They were published months ago.
I remember Putin showing these to some leader who visited Moscow (Assad maybe?) And the media ridiculing him
The western meadow denied them and pretended it was all lies.
@@user-dd7pq2to3oIt was a delegation from Africa not Assad.
Willy just lost credibility and my subscription. Bye bye Willy.
@@sforza209 You’ll be back😂
It's not a peace summit, it's round 50 of zelenskys charity drive
"zelensky's welfare handout"
Fixed it for ya.
You're welcome!
At no time do you discuss the negotiation plan for the month of April 2022, you only discuss an interpretation of a group of thinkers and therefore their interpretation....... This is not very professional work on your part. You also don't talk about Boris Johnson's trip to prevent this plan...
Maybe he is afraid to be marked as Kremlin agent and send to Russia like Alina Lipp from Germany. NATO is no joke!
If you follow this from 2014 you must understand what has caused this insanity. "Dementia patient" and his "Nobel peace" nominated boss
Where are you from?
@@Lesminster from RuZZia ofc.
@@Uranus_is_the_size_of_a_planet well I'm not Russian and I absolutely agree with OP.
Oh, wait. I'm Russian bot/Putin pays me to say this, right, right ? God forbid you people actually have some cognitive abilities and logic reasoning to realise the facts ?
@@loopmantra8314 You do realize everything you said can be said about your position as well.
The problem with people from britain or somewhere not in THE region is they have only academic knowledge on dynamic in eastern Europe, and that's fine for discussion in a pub or smthn.
Lately I've noticed it became almost a trend to have alternative opinions on shit. People think they are better when they take non-mainstream positions.
The fact is that Ukraine was invaded by Russia. The fact is that Igor Girkin was one of the firtst Russian soldiers to cross the border with Ukraine in 2014 to support and embolden the rebels. The fact is that Russia supported financially and militarily Donbas detachment from Ukraine.
There is whole litanny of this, but I got no will to spent here all day.
If you gonna say some dumb shit like "If not NATO expansion Putin wouldn't have to attack" or smthn on similar level of genius then save it. Take care.
@@Lesminster nope, I don't need even to mention NATO expansion to make a valid point, but here's what I will mention:
If NATO can intervene and bomb countries all over the world, and forcefully grant independence to terrorist's fractions, taking away 1/5 of the land like with Serbia (Kosovo) or any other country doing the exact same thing Ukraine is doing - defending it's sovereignty, despite those countries NOT being a member of the alliance, so can Russia defend it's Russian population in a neighbouring country and fight for their independence.
The obvious difference being that NATO has imperialistic and colonial aspirations and Russia are defending their own.
If you are going to go with "whatabautism", save it for the pub. Cheers 🍻
I could hold a ‘peace conference’ in my bathtub tomorrow and it would be as credible as this party in Switzerland.
🤣🤣
LOL
Its crazy how Russia managed to flip the tables on the Ukrainians in terms of having the man power advantage, i remember at one point well after the Ukrainians retaking of Kherson north bank that Ukraine claimed they had 1.2 million soldiers in both active and reserve and US intelligence claimed Russia only had slightly above 200,000 soldiers in the entirety of the country.
Two brain cells, both defective 😂
Russia does not have an advantage in manpower yet, but it is already close to equality with Ukraine. When the media talk about Russia's advantage in manpower, they want to justify the retreat of Ukrainian troops.
@@championknife It does, which is why Russia has been advancing. I wonder how many are left of those 1.2 million and they forcibly mobilize people every day.
@@championknife it does they have over 1 million manpower in donbass front.
@@championknife For most of the time Russian had no advantage in manpower. They f.ed up the war pretty much at the beginning. For now they are equal with a little Russian advantage. But Russia had pretty big artillery advantage from the start (and Ukraine had huge advantage on ATGMs and portable AA defense).
BoJo the bozo should never have talked them out of peace. So many lives have been lost since 😢
Educate yourself. “The claim that the Russia-Ukraine peace talks failed because of Boris Johnson’s position is manipulative. In fact, the interview of Davit Arakhamia reveals that the Ukrainian side was not going to agree to the agreement even before Johnson’s call, noting that the British Prime Minister did not put pressure on their position.”
Wasn't a call, so there is that.....
@@alhambrabiker1476 Boris physically met with big Z in April of '22
Boris was sent by the Biden administration .
Before he was PM he was worth a couple of million. Now he is worth about 67 million. The powers that want all the power, pay well. Just like Blair got paid for Iraq, Boris got paid for Ukraine.
@@dryciderz “Arakhamia also denied the fact that the Ukrainian delegation was ready to sign the document and Boris Johnson stopped them. According to his own words, the Western partners were informed about the negotiations and had seen the draft versions of the agreement, but they did not make decisions on behalf of Ukraine and could only give advice.” You can meet with someone and this meeting doesn’t mean anything.
As many others have already said, it's delusional to call the Swiss conference, a peace conference, without both parties who are in conflict, attending.
It’s charitably called a fundraiser but it’s more like in reality a Begathon.
Willy, these terms were presented by Russia a long time ago and even some in the Ukrainians delegation said they exceeded Ukraine's wishes and expectations. But as we know, Ukraine was not allowed to sign a peace agreement.
Spot on!
Giving up Ukrainian land was unacceptable, so they didn't agree.
@@demivik5812 Guess giving up people's lives, only to end up giving up the territory as well is more acceptable for smooth-brained people like yourself.
@@demivik5812unacceptable to who? Lindsey Graham? 🤣 Does he want the trillions of dollars of minerals in Crimea?
@@demivik5812 the reality of life is that might makes right, power is the only thing that gurantees anything.
Its how the US got away with their little escapade in 2003, they are the strongest thus they set the rules and everyone else has to follow them.
The one with the upper hand sets the conditions on the negotiated settlement and the weaker party tries to get the best posible deal with the hand they are given, it is as simple as that.
It's funny how WIlly has to ignore reality until the NYTimes gives him permission to talk about the peace talks and preliminary agreement that we all knew about and Willy knew about too. That's the 'freedom' that dude fought for.
Boris Johnson went to Kiev and told zelensky not to sign any peace deal
Kyiv.
He did not. Stop repeating Russian nonsense.
Johnson promised weapons to Kyiv.
@@super-super-confirmed by Naftali Bennet and many others
I'm sure he didn't order Zelinsky not to sign, He said there was enough support to fight. There is a difference. If Ukraine has no support => They should sign. If they have support => They should fight. This is not hard math.
IIRC the language thing was bad - Ukraine wanted to force Russian language and culture out, which is ridiculous if you look at how many Ukrainians are more Russna than Ukrainian speaking. This is a multi-cultural country. Heck, Elynski speaks better Russian than Ukrainian.
This doesn't give ruzzia any right to interfere
@demivik5812 ah.... read upbwhy russia interfere. They insist it was lawful under request by independent break away regions.... yes, I know. Common sense and you.... never met, child.
@@demivik5812 it does as there are around 15 millions ethnic Russians in Ukraine
@@demivik5812 It does when Ukraine breaks agreements.
Bot@@demivik5812
4:07 didn't Russia pull out their forces from north of Ukraine (green marked area) due to these negotiations in April 2022?
no, russians wanted to take Kyiv in 3 days but were kicked out.
@@super-super- It's Kiev not Kyiv. Get it right
yeah he did retreated from there ebcause of it
@@Art-si7cj I just want to ask you: is the FSB paying you well?
Why would they do that? One do not abandon positions before anything is signed. Have never ever happened in history.
That is pure russian copium trying to avoid to accept they got there teeth kicked in outside Kiev and in Sumy and Chernihiv area. Their positions became intenable due to well played guerilla style warfare combined with conventional warfare from Ukraine.
Yah current peace summit in Switzerland is a complete joke an will solve nothing
Just more money and weapons right?
How's the weather in moscow comrade?
More $ for bang stirs.
And Putin peace proposition is really disgusting. Claiming land that he doesn’t even has conquered and that Ukraine should give to their invaders?
Putin must be desperate!
Who cares, Russia is winning anyway👍
Willy joins secret peace talks...
Willy: G'day legends I hope you are having a fantastic day...
and a fantastic week...end... why are they negotiating about peace with no enemy present?
Then now of course we know then we just don't know of course then now then I have a friend in the space then now
@@user-dd7pq2to3o lol
Interests of those benefiting from that catastrophe, mainly America's neocons, won't allow any resolution to stop mess they created.
ISTANBUL
In an interview with Tucker Carlson, Vladimir Putin announced for the first time the reason why the Russian army withdrew from the vicinity of Kiev at the very end of March 2022.
In the negotiations in Istanbul, Macron and Scholz conditioned the negotiations on the withdrawal of the Russian army from the vicinity of the capital of Ukraine, arguing it is impossible for Ukraine to negotiate with a gun pointed at its head. Putin agreed to this condition in order for the negotiations to continue and the Russian army withdrew from the vicinity of Kiev.
Immediately after the withdrawal of the Russian army from the vicinity of Kiev, Ukraine declared a great victory and at the same time the Bucha organized by the UK secret services took place.
Nothing has changed, Macron and Scholz did the same with the negotiations in Istanbul as Hollande and Merkel did with the Minsk agreements.
The Anglo-Saxons once again deceived not only the Russians and Ukrainians, but also the French and Germans.
Such conditions for negotiations will no longer appear from the Russian side, that's for sure.
As an Anglo Saxon, I’ve not heard these claims before. Can you name your sources please?
@@wardygrub These are all well-known facts arranged chronologically, which is not difficult to verify.
Putin's claims in his interview that Macron and Scholz insisted on the withdrawal of the Russian army from the vicinity of Kiev at the Istanbul talks in March 2022 were not denied by either.
I can't know why there is no journalist in the West, that is, in Germany and France, who will ask Scholz and Macron that simple question, the answer to which is yes or no.
Merkel's and Hollande's statements are also well-known that the Minsk agreements were signed in order to gain time until the West arms Ukraine and that these agreements were never planned to be implemented by the West. The signatories of the Minsk agreement were Ukraine, Russia, Germany and France. UK and US were not.
Another thing is that the media does not allow us to see the whole picture on the timeline, but as I wrote, all the dates and statements are verifiable but not at one place.
For ongoing happenings you may watch channel Dialogue Works and Jacques Baud or channel Neutrality Studies where you may find last integral Putin's speach.
It is Kyiv. The capitol of the Ukrainian nation.
They also ran away in Kherson and Kharkiv in 2023 to respect the peace treaty.
@@tertiusduplessis2581
It's 'capital', and it's 'Kiev'.
Whatever is published in anywhere is old and inaccurate, especially if it comes from NYT
How it is Peace Summit without Russia?
Peace Summit = War Council... in five eyes lingo!
It is a doublespeak derivation of doublethink. slava ukraine☺
Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously,
and accepting both of them.
Because russia only supports war, they are not welcome on the Peace Summit. Talking to russia is a waste of time, besides, talking is what putin wants because he is afraid.
this clearly sends a direct message that peace wont ever be here unless Russia balkanized or surrender to Nato.
Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia, has it not?🤔
IN ALL THESE SHITS AROUND THE WORLD, THE ONLY QUESTION REMAINS : WILL USA ACCEPT FOREIGN AND UNFRIENDLY MILITARY INSTALLATIONS IN CANADA OR/AND MEXICO ?
Wrong comparison. USA is a superpower. They dont have to listen to anybody. Do whatever they like. Not like puddings useless nation.
The agreement was published months ago. This wasn't "leaked" at all, it is common knowledge.
This peace negotiations terms were talked about in detail by many YT channels , especially by The Duran channel.
It’s common knowledge that Ukraine had agreed to sign the agreement but was stopped by Boris Johnson, sent by the American govt to stop Ukraine signing.
Everybody knows that this is fake news that ruSSian bots want us to believe. Unfortunately for you bots, we know the truth.
How could Boris have stopped it.
Invade Ukraine?
@@user-ul9dv2iv9s By promissing Zelensky enough military support to retake Crimea.
That's not what Russia claims and you know it.
@@user-ul9dv2iv9s What are you talking about? What does it matter?
After the phone call by Boris Johnson, Zelensky started ranting on every media about how they were going to retake Crimea. And after the call by Boris Johnson, NATO weapons shipments truly ramped up. And after the call, Zelensky signed an executive order that outlawed any negotiations with the Russians.
Do you think that is all a coincidence? The disasterous counter offensive last year was the culmination of all of that. The west (with Boris acting as the mouthpiece) convinced Zelensky that they would give him enough high-tech weapons to retake Crimea and then, once the war was over, grant Ukraine NATO membership. And everyone believed it (including Zelensky) because back then, Ukraine was still doing pretty well on the front line, and everyone figured that with western weapons (which the west believes are far superior to anything Russian, whether that is true or not) the Ukrainians would basically have a Gulf War 2.0.
Instead, the whole world was treated to a demonstration on what happens when you attempt a mass offensive against heavily entrenched positions without adequate artillery and air support.
Where this 'just the tip' strategy is going and what Russia was always concerned about from the beginning, isnt 'nukes in Ukraine'. Its short range stealth attack planes in Ukraine. Which are definitively a first strike system. But, the thing they didn't appear understand, which I could've told them, is Russia doesnt do 'just tip tip'.
So, all this crap could be over long ago, and all this deaths and destructions could have been avoided, but someone decided what show must go on.
UK PM Johnson april 2022 lots of blood on nato hands
Did the UK invade Ukraine.
I know, NATO invaded Russia.
What do you mean.
I thought that NATO insisted on the breakup of the RF and they haven't even invaded Russia?
So when is NATO going to invade Russia?
I want dates.
I want details.
2 years into WW3 and nobody but Russian dissidents have crossed the Russian border.
OUTRAGEOUS!!!
Money demands human sacrifice.
Which is why there is no independent media in Russia.
No investigation into internal Russian corruption.
@@MetallicReg That's mighty Jewish of you.
How did the last agreements do? Already 2 failed agreements, Russia would be foolish to accept even an agreement written in blood and sealed in stone.
You dont make agreements with terrorists.
@@tertiusduplessis2581I agree, Ukraine should absolutely reject this
It is safer to make this land Russia again. Like it was for centuries, until Austrian and German armies ensured the formation of an independent country during the First World War. Apparently Putin understood this and follows the idea.
@@EvgenopolisNo, go build your empire on mars. Goodbye and good riddance.
2019 the US walked away from the Intermediate-range nuclear Forces treaty which had served Europe and Russia so well...if you don't understand that and its implications you understand nothing. The US policy of surrounding both Russia and China with short range nuclear tipped missiles...like 10 minutes flying time from Mosco...if you think any country could except that. Your crazy
you do realise that Russia was first to walk away from a nuclear arms agreement
You do realise that ruzzia is the aggressor.
@@tertiusduplessis2581 Look at NATO expansionism in the last decades and tell me who is the agressor...
@@joelrios3704 you do realise NATO is a defense organization. Designed to protect nations against agressors.
@@joelrios3704 you do realise NATO defends nations...
I feel like you left out a whole aspect of this situation. Apparently Boris Johnson(presumably in concert with USA) went to Ukraine and convinced them not to take the treaty. Pro Neutral/pro Russian(depending on your view of them) people like RFK jr in America(judge Napolitano is another) repeatedly speak of this for being the reason the talks were disbanded.
I LOVE this kind of content, would have liked to see you dig more into that claim. Also would like to see you tackle the lead up to the conflict(Victoria Nuland leaked CIA cables, the idea of FSB vs CIA wrestling for control using oligarchs, etc, potential involvement of CIA in 2014 overthrow etc).
It seems hard to find someone tackling this issue without bias or already having their minds made up. I know the pro-Russian version. I know the pro-West version. But I would like to see you tackle it, and see what you come up with. Other things like Nordstream Pipeline would fit into this as well, possibly Hunter Biden/John Kerry stepson working with Ukrainian oligarchs, etc. would really love to see you use your credibility to tackle these murky issues where they are so frequently distorted by one side or the other. Great video!
Ukraine did not say it was ridicules etc that is just made that up after... the
Ukraine chief negotiator are on an interview listen to that interview... the negotiator and Israels then leader and one more world leader thy all say USA/UK was the one that broke the deal
Interview with David Arakhamia, head of the Ukrainian delegation at the peace talks - on youtube
At the first though of having to negotiate with Putin face to face, Zlenskyy immediately signed a law prohibiting him from doing so... He'd really love to go out there and show Putin what true leadership is, but he is just not allowed to...
Arakhamia said in an interview that the conditions were as simple and good as possible for Ukraine. He said that the only important condition in these agreements was the neutral status of the country.
Willy's world is now crumbling before us.
Damn, YT is working REALLY hard deleting comments on this one...
Ukrainian Peace treaty with the exclusion of Russia, makes this a mockery.
Why don't you call it for what it is, NATO War Cabinet
Ukraine needs to come to their senses, victory as laid out by Zelensky is unattainable. Unfortunately Ukraine will be split in half and the DMZ for East/West relations.
Just had déjà vu
You said "It must have been something else, so maybe we're missing something here":
What you are missing is that such arrangement would have allowed the possibility of Western troops coming in Ukraine in military capacity against Russia, which was exactly what Russia tried to prevent in the first place. This was a No-Go of epic magnitude.
Ukraine walked away from this agreement. Russia was fine with it. Ukraine even today is saying that this agreement is unacceptable. Russia is still fine with it. What is unclear to you?
@@dainisboumber6030 I'm not sure to what "unclear" you are referring. The first sentence in quotes is a... quote from William, from the video. Did you actually watch the video? Because if you did, you would have seen it. I answered to that.
Also, what has your answer to do with my point? I was talking about something different.
@@SerbanOprescu Your friend dainisboumber6030 has reading comprehension problem 🤣
Willy needs to be the next James Bond
Sorry but I'm a white dude
Lol
'My name is Willy. Willy Willy.'
@@willyOAMare they looking for a back guy for the next james bond?
Willy needs to be careful not to slip in the bathtub or develop a sudden morose that overwhelms his urge to live .
That being said , I appreciate people who try . This channel has been accused by all sides as being a puupet or shill ... depending on the month , day or year .
I suppose it is the same for anyone more interested in the truth than officially sanctioned lies ................................
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Uh...we already known this for some time 😂
A couple days ago we got the breaking news from Willy that his "sources" revealed to him the reason France is sending trainers to Ukraine is due to the fact that if they train Ukrainian soldiers in Europe they may go AWOL.
Now we get this from him that I thought most people following the war were all aware of.
What's going on with this guy?
Why did it fail? Lol because some bozo flew to kiev and told them to fight.
“Salivating” at the deal. - unnamed senior US official. 😂😂 yea I’m sure this totally happened
it even says that the unnamed us official was "briefed" on meeting, He Wasn't Even There
They killed Kenny.
Why are people acting like the invader should have a say in anything?
To the victor go the spoils. Always been this way.
So they had absolutely reasonable agreement that stipulated prohibition of NAzism!!- what a disgrace!
Those terms seem to be reasonable, choosing between this and continuations of hostility is no brainer. Not taking this deal was a treson
Who allowed it to be leaked and why
VERY interesting question as it was sources from multiple countries
@@willyOAM
Who is it aimed at and how will it be used by other MSM outlets
Anti Putin
Anti zelensky
Anti Biden
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@@willyOAM western countries or global majority country or russian ally though?
That paper is pure cia propaganda
My guess is someone Russia affiliated, it's great timing to destroy that "Russia is delusional about it's demands" narrative and to really hammer home the fact that it was the Anglo's fault this war even continued further since the Ukies would have signed it on their own, especially to a war weary Europe and even more so to all the Ukies already bled dry.
These were bad, unacceptable peace conditions. The party and government have better peace conditions to offer, it is a pity that not everyone will live to see this wonderful peace.
🤯 it is mind-blowing that a channel discussing indepths of this war does not know this info. This is news from 2 yrs ago! Gosh
I had food poisoning last night, but I survived
That's a pity 😂😢😮😢😂
@@babahanuman83 Try again?
@@babahanuman83 clever
are you sure you can be dead and not realize you are stuck in this world as a ghost in denial.
This peace treaty was very good, and could avoid so much death...
But no, NATO want that war at all cost...
NATO=USA. Other countries are just for sharing responsibility.
Russia started this war. And vould end it tommorow by retreating. Stop blaming Nato for your mistakes.
@@RK-cj4oceducate yourself or stay that numb. Your choice, but in second case, keep your thoughts to yourself if you don't want to make a total fool out of yourself, again.
@@RK-cj4oc This war started a long time ago... At least 2014 when the US organised a "coup"...
@@RK-cj4oc Well, I remember a blockade near Cuba and the promise to start world war 3 when someone hurted someone's feelings security related...
The losing side should be lucky this isn't worse than it is, I was expecting the Russians to demands the border at the Dniper
guys you see the creep terms are just going to get worse until they ask for unconditional surrender.
Are they?
Russia demanded control over Ukraine sovereignty.
Nah....the ruzzian economy will collapse first.
A bunch of men got killed for nothing
What do you mean, for nothing? Listen to Lindsey Graham.
@@user-wp8ou3eb4x he’s a homosexual war hawk. Not into that. I’m a baptist
It's Putin's war. Blame him.
It's as peaceful as the 'Ministry Of Peace' in the novel 1884
Russia has never treated EU membership as a deal breaker. NATO membership of East European states and Ukraine in particular has been Russia's principle concern since Yeltsin and Clinton back in 1992-3.
Another episode of COPE
Good on you Willy but you made one HUGE mistake: these negotiations were happening in MARCH 2022.
Bring up maps from March, not mid April. You will notice that the Russians withdrew from Kiev happened at this time.
This withdrawal was a good-will gesture by Russia after it was suggested that it was unfair to negotiate with Ukraine while it held a gun to their head.
Immediately after this Russian withdrawal (and Johnson's visit) Ukraine killed the negotiations.
The best write up of these events I have seen is "HOW THE CHANCE WAS LOST FOR A PEACE SETTLEMENT OF THE UKRAINE WAR AND THE WEST WANTED TO CONTINUE THE WAR INSTEAD" - A detailed reconstruction of events in March 2022 by Hajo Funke (German professor) and Gen. (ret.) Harald Kujat (Bundeswehr/NATO)
But Russia INVADED Ukraine and had amassed troops, which took the Eastern Oblasts. Of course Ukraine had to fight.
@@wardygrub With respect, I was discussing the peace talks of March 2022, not the invasion of February 2022.
Did I say Ukraine should not have fought?
Fake news
A good will gesture.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@ericpts6811fake news confirmed by both the president of Turkey and former president of Israel who were both mediators.
Educate yourself.
Two years late when it comes to it being "news" but thanks for your work
I think this was a practical deal, much better than anything they would get now
If by truce you call total "Ukrainian" capitulation then I agree
What capitulation ?
Those terms were greater than anything you could ever have. It even make you focus more on developing the country knowing that no one will attack you again, look at Switzerland
@@CHRAXY Putin's plan is to take all of Ukraine, today or in 5 years he doesn't care. No long term deal is possible until he's physically stopped.
G'day Legend, Yeah I'm talking about you Willy, You *Legend* 🤟
The article on eliminating not sees was probably the sticking point.
A great many of their ilk gained positions of power and authority in 2014. Its not hard to see how they would oppose being removed.
💯 the banderites are on record saying war with russia was necessary in order for them to get into nato 😳 and as soon as zelinskyy was elected, they let him know who was actually in charge
Thanks for this, Willy. I was wondering when the details would be leaked, given we've known of its existence for some time. Paints an interesting picture of the situation in April 2022.
Ukraine promised it would maintain a state of permanent neutrality already upon the dissolution of the USSR. That declaration was fundamental to the Budapest memorandum. So much for Ukrainian promises.
Yes, and that agreement was violated by USA when they started to finance pro-NATO political parties in Ukraine. As Article 3 of the Budapest Memorandum clearly states that the signatory nations are not to use financial means to influence the internal politics of Ukraine.
That's a lie
@@sebastijanglozinic8630Russia violated it's promise to respect the Ukrainian sovereign borders
@@tallshort1849 Sorry, but that is simply incorrect.
Russian promised to respect the sovereignty of the Ukrainian borders under the Bodapest Memorandum. Which was signed under the condition that Ukraine would remain NEUTRAL.
The Budapest Memorandum ceased to be valid the moment USA began to finance the pro-western opposition in Ukraine, thus directly violating Article 3. From that moment forth, the Ukrainian borders became fair game for everyone.
Those are simply the facts.
@@tallshort1849 If you dont believe me, you can simply google the transcript of the Budapest Memorandum and read it yourself.
The Harvard online library has it in PDF format. Go and read what it says under Article 3.
Jesus mate have you been hiding under a rock?
It failed because Bojo made it fail, by promising Zelensky a quick victory and snow for life.
Does anybody believe BoJo read all of this before he ordered Zel to discard it ?
@9:20 I think it has been shown conclusively that it was Ukraine that committed the massacre in Bucha, the victims being those that collaborated with the Russian military.
Not completely unreasonable proposals from Russia:
1- Stay neutral, don't join NATO, guarantors will fight on your side if you're attacked.
2- Don't have nukes, chemical weapons, and N*zis glorifying mustachio man and his collaborators.
3- Have Russian as the 2nd official language and allow people to speak it freely.
4- The territory you lost, we'll return it up to here (map not shown), but not all.
5- You can join the EU, if you want, it's fine.
The predicament CIA, MI-6, Boris Johnson, and Victoria Nuland did to Ukraine is unconscionable.
Matt is extra busy lately. He's been pumping out these videos like hot cakes.
For every $1 billion the US prints to send to Ukraine, global inflation just went higher.
No they are now using frozen Russian assets. Only people affected are the top 1% of Russia's elite
We knew about these
When you have seen how many people died, this Agreement seems like a pretty good deal.
Thanks 👍
Somebody tried to hide this document for two years. Question is, why was it finally publicly released?
It wasn't hidden at all.
@@Dave-gy5mv Where was the whole document download then?
it was just hidden from the eyes and ears of people drinking the kool aid of western media. this deal is well known 2 years ago
It was released right now in order to sabotage the current Ukraine ultimate peace plan of zelesnky.
To create a public pressure to force the two to negotiate on similiar terms as in the past and to try stop what's about to happen.
There are those in power who want Russia to collapse and those who have a more reasonable mind that understand how much of a catastrophe it will be for all of us..
@@malcolmt7883 When Africa went to the BRICS meeting last year. Putin showed it to thee media. Moon of Alabama talked about it. Brian Bertalitic on New Atlas even RT.
It's fair and reasonable
Thanks!
Thanks
Peace Summit? 😂😂 More like Circus Summit.
“piss” summit 😂
Piss Summit...(little Elensky's Words) Not mine.
@@ManicPixie-bb7wc Indeed, It's True..! Must have been on Coke funded via Uncle Joe. Said it a few times between "Sniffs-Snorts".
Best Wishes..😎🥂🇷🇺👍
Im not sure the russia side could have been trusted at that time given the political climate. Putin is unpredictable .
Putin does exactly what he says.
he has been repeating the same thing since 2007 and acting depending on the actions of the West
Putin has warned since 2007 that Russia will not tolerate NATO. Putin is unpredictable. Are you fine?
How can anyone discredit a “peace conference” more than the participants themselves, ones never had a smallest intent of achieving peace