RC LiPo Battery Basics Balance & Storage Charging Pt. 2 - TheRcSaylors
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After our most recent video covering battery basics just a couple days ago, we had a lot of questions, so it only made sense to do a follow up video with some answers and more helpful tips and tricks to keeping your Lipo batteries healthy over a long period of time! These methods have worked well for us for many years now, but are by no means the absolute best way to manage your batteries. Please be careful with LiPos and always handle and store them in a very safe location.
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As a noob these two videos have been really good. Thanks for making these for beginners.
You are very welcome my RC friend 👍⚓😃
Just love how your wife supports your hobby.
"A little island by Australia " hilarious.lol. thanks for the information it really helps a newbie like me.
Just started getting back into RC and I appreciate how informative your videos are. Thanks.
Thanks Nate and Abbey, I bet you're saving people hassle, money and maybe lives with these Lipo videos.
Your videos on battery usage / care have been invaluable to me. You manage to explain things in a clear and concise way.
Thank you
Nate, wanted to say thanks. Been in the hobby since the early 80's , first RC was Tamiya Hornet,got out, back in with Clod & Hornet, then frog then Big Bear and many from there. I was in, out again, back in, long story short, been back for 5 yrs now , and Lipos were like vodoo to me because when I last was in , it was Nicd or Nimd batts, cant think what we had but the old stuf. So I was so confused on Lipos. Long story short bud, my first lipo 5 yrs ago when I got back in again, I killed it lol...I never ":storage charged it" just because I had no lipo knowledge.. I'm actually big into custom RC, I have a custom rc 1/5 scale I fully custom build using 5/16" .062 steel tube for the monster truck frame I built from scratch...BUT, you just helped me big time bud. I have a pair of 4s 9700mah 130c smc lipos I run in that truck I built, paid around $220 for my pair but didn't understand how to care for them properly, and for 5 yrs I had a 3s and just killed it because I NEVER storage charged it.. But wanted to tell you. I watched this and the other vid. I bought two of the voltage checkers you suggested ( I never understood voltage or storage charges/etc) But FYI ...after watching your lipo vids, this one and the other, a couple times each. I now own two voltage checkers, I am now checking my batts, I am now also storage charging my batt's and I finally understand what a storage charge is and the sweet spot to keep it at .Tonight for the first time ever I have 4 lipos in storage charge because of you Nate ;) Mine are now in storage at 3.8 and I know why they are at 3.8 now lol. So just wanted to say. You helped an old RC guy understand this new lipo stuff ;) BTW you and Abby are great, love your vids and you guys seem to have a great marriage/relationship that comes through in your vids. Keep the vids coming.
Thank you for this great information! I always follow your recommendation of not charging batteries unattended. However, once I was charging a single cell battery of a H8 using the USB charger that came with it. The battery was in the H8 while charging. I was quite nearby in the same room, but I fell asleep. When I woke up, the room was smoky with a burnt smell. I went over to the battery, and it was black and semi-melted. The H8 was melted, and a heavy layer of black soot surrounded the area. I was very thankful a full-scale fire did not break out! It showed me the danger is real. Now I never leave the battery in the quad, so if the battery burns, it won't destroy the quad. That incident was the only LiPo mishap I've had so far.
"A little island just off Australia" Put down the spade :D
Good video
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That small country just south of Canada. :)
Great video! Keep up the good work! Thank you for all you do for this hobby!
Thanks a lot for tuning in!
You explain things at the speed I can understand... thanks.
Great 2 videos. You have made several things clear.
I run my car maybe once a month.
Now I know (think) after I'm done I should storage charge the battery(s) (came with 2 batteries).
Then balance charge them just before use.
Please comment if this is incorrect.
Thank you for these videos. I'm an old dog learning new tricks.
Excellent video, thanks for taking the time to explain the basics of storage charging.
You just got a new subscriber 😊
After clicking confirm to start a charge or discharge-I click the increase button to set the display to read out the individual cell voltage and then I can follow the progress-also the volt meter in the charger is way more accurate than the alarm unit (its a great alarm but really not a volt meter)-thanks the video was nicely done and held my Adult ADD back to the end!
Thank you guys. New to lipo.
Hi Nate just watched your video on the lipo alarm great video as I am a beginner I need this type of information also in one of your other videos you mentioned to upgrading your charger I upgraded my USB charger that came with my plane that I got in September the Habu STS once again and upgraded it to 1100 spectrums smart charger not only a budget-friendly charger but a great investment love it.
I watch this video because I couldn’t remember how to storage charge. The RC sailors the modern day owners manual!! LOL 😝
Thanks 🙏
Glad to see you guys add a few points that would normally be common to someone in the hobby. Good on you guys for clarifying things for those that are new, and ignore the "awesome" folk who think they know everything. I have a 2s that has been fully charged for over a month IMMA DIE!!!
Super helpful for us rooks. Answered all of my questions.
Great video! You guys are awesome for helping people understand this stuff.
Some of my batteries are getting puffy. Are all lipo batteries the same or is there a particular brand that is better than others? Love you guys. Thanks a million.
The bit of advice you give at the end of the video, I really like. Dont let batteries ruin the hobby for you. I feel like people get a little too anal with the technicalities. Just plug your batteries in, main first, balance second, start your charger on a low amperage setting if you want to cram just a tiny bit more power into your battery, use a higher amperage setting if you need to charge faster, set your cell count, and just make sure to keep an eye on it periodically. Balance charging just gives an extra few seconds to MAYBE a minute of flight. It is again, one of those things that spending an hour balance charging is not worth the small amount of extra time you will get out of doing it, and the only time you really need to worry about balance charging is if the battery is going into storage.. In storage, you really want those cells reading 3.8 volts, so balance charge all the cells to 3.8 volts. I dont know if this charger lets you set a goal voltage, but this is a great feature. The charger I have lets me set a goal voltage, which defaults to 4.2 volts, but can be set to over or undercharge a battery, and it will intelligently handle the rest, including automatic balance charging after the main charge is complete. If I plug in a battery at say 4.1 volts, and I set it to charge to 3.8 volts, it will know to discharge the battery to 3.8 volts, then automatically balance charge to 3.8 volts, then power off. If I plug in the same 4.1 volt battery and set to 4.2 volts, it will charge them to 4.2 volts, balance charge, then turn off. When it goes into balance charging, I can simply cancel the process with a single button press if I dont want to wait for that process to occur. The thing is, batteries fail, you will buy replacement batteries. Whether a battery lasts 2 years, or 4 years is really of minimal importance to me, especially since I tend not to use or keep a device around that long anyway (most devices fail after 2 years and I cant be bothered to spend the time or money to fix them and just end up buying a replacement device with better tech). So, again, don't get too anal about this stuff. You will buy better drones with better tech, which will come with fresh batteries, and the old batteries will likely be recycled. Dont fret too much about abusing your batteries, we already do that by simply putting them in a device and fast draining a battery like we do. My Yuneeq Q500 4k kills a 5400 Mah 3 cell battery in 15 minutes. The batteries are designed for 300 charges, but you are not going to get near to that, simply because the drone does not get used every day, but I tend to keep the batteries charged so I can use it once a week or so.
Learned a lot, thank you.
Is it okay to leave your battery dead after using overnight or even for a couple days
Thanks for the awesome video I to purchased the Venom Pro Duo on your recommendation!!! I thank you so much!!! It is awesome.....
Thanks 🙏
Not sure if you know this or not but if you hit the right arrow button while it's charging, discharging or storage (all types) it will show you individual cell voltage ;)
Thumbs up for the cute dog!
Thanks James 👍😁😎⚓🐕
What if i dont use my battery for 3 or 4 days? Do i need to store charge. Also before i use the battery again i have to fully charge it?
How long can my LiPos sit uncharged before I should storage charge them?...say I run my rc car an I run it till they hit the shutdown mode ..how long can they sit in that state before I should put a storage charge on them??
i beleive the rule applies as much for charged and uncharged. Around 2-4 days. That is my rule of thumb.
When you STORAGE charge your batteries, will it go up to storage charge if below where it should be, OR go down to storage charge if it's above where it should be? Will it go either way?
Yes! 👍😁😎⚓️
On the plugging in the main discharge lead before the balance lead, that is primarily when parallel charging which is not something I would recommend to beginners. When you plug multiple batteries into a parallel board it will equalise the battery voltage between the batteries as the charger will see multiple batteries as one larger battery, hence getting a small spike in energy when you add another battery to the parallel board. Not a big deal if your only charging one at a time but still as you mention, just a good habit to do which I agree with.
Very good advice :) Thanks Mx!
Great job guys thanks for the good info
Thank you very much!
Lipo bags for Lipo batteries are absolute must I get your point but they should be charging in the Lipo bag because if they catch on fire, it will be contained in the bag this smoke will come out, but the fire will only be contained in the bag I have several, and I use them all. I love them. I am deeply sorry people are misguided. I totally think opposite about Lipo batteries. You and Abby do great work making these videos. I enjoy watching them anytime. There is a video that’s out I watch it.💗
Oh man, idk why, but pressing all those buttons on that charger looks fun. Lol
I'd never watched this one before, I don't think. I have an iMax B6 and thought I was running with the cool kids on LiPo charging safety and effectiveness. But as it turns out, I learned a few things from watching this one. I also have quite a few of those LiPo alarms, though I did not learn about those from y'all. Also, I am currently putting storage charges on two big batteries for which I currently have no RCs. And the 2S 5200mAh 80C was fully charged. Movie time.
Great and informative video. I purchased 1300mah 3s batteries in 2015. I forgot I had them. Just found them in end of 2020. They are still at 3.8. I'm not going to use them soon. Should I just like charge them full...and then use them somehow at least once. Then storage charge them? Or although they are 5 years old...I should leave them until I actually use them? 🤔
Thanks for the quick reply. The Airmasters field in Sebastian FL has a bank Of car batteries charged by solar panels, works great. Flying Tigers at Westwinds Metropark in Toledo has no power. I’m searching for options.
If you press the up or down button while you are charging the battery it will show you the status of each cell shows the voltage
Thanks for the updated video.
I use a car headlight bulb for fast discharging I set my alarm at 3.6v per cell then recharge it to storage level . Then before flying balance charge .
If they are in storage for a long time I charge cycle them up and backdoor to storage.
when I started with RC O was told that if you need to discharge a battery the best way is to run it in your plane or car to and run on full throttle for about a minute then put it on to a storage charge.
Can anyone 3D print something to make those plastic plugs bigger and easier to hold? Like a bigger grip module.
If I have a Lipo battery that is capable of charging higher the 1 amp, how do I know where I can safely put my charger at ? Example my 6s 5000 mah is capable of charging at 5c what can I put my charger at ? Thank you and great video btw
Like the PlayStation shirt. I play games some and R/C. You two have good videos
Thanks a lot! Yeah, I do love playing games when the weather is just too bad to get outside and I'm waiting on batteries to charge :)
Knowledgeable video! I loved it! Question? I brought some turnigy bolts 5000mah 4S 65c-130c 15.2volts Lihv batteries right! So what's the best way to last awhile?
Thank you, everything I think I need to know 😀👍
To maximize play time (RC cars, not RC planes or drones that could fall out of the sky), what's the lowest voltage that the LiPo battery can be discharged to. 2.7 is the lower limit on the lipo alarm but that seems kinda low. Thoughts?
nate- youre fine! it should go without saying, that anytime you do a tutorial video, youre going to get every armchair expert in the hobby coming along telling you the things you missed, or what they think is the right way to do something. what those people don't realize is that it's actually hard to make a 30 minute video that covers EVERY little thing, without scripts, editing, production staff, and writers :) just realize that the internet armchair experts are just "part of the hobby :) keep killing it!
Your words of encouragement mean a lot my friend :) Sometimes I do let those people get to me, so I'm glad to know there are people on the other side of that fence as well. Thank you!
just starting out on rc. don't fly only stay on the ground. was told not to let li-po run down to nil, but I run vehicle till it stops. so my question is I should not do that? It will shorten life of li-po?
"You all", always do a good job!!! Appreciate you , you are great couple.
Y'all*
I just picked up this charger and appreciate your 2 video's on how to use it. Quick question, why when storage charging a LiPo 2s does the voltage say 7.4 but it charges to 7.6?
I was heavily involved in the RC hobby back in the 80's, but everything has evolved so much that I am working to catch back up. You are a super nice guy with a lot of RC knowledge and I appreciate you and your sweet wife making these videos to help us learn to charge our batteries safely (again). I just bought this charger largely because of your recommendation and was confused about the storage charging not going above 1.0 AMPs because my Lectron Pro charger goes all the way up to 5.0 AMPs. I thought there was something wrong with my charger and you helped me see this is normal with this video. I also purchased a BATSAFE to use with this new charger but the leads are a little short. Are longer leads available?
How often do you go through your batteries in storage to check their storage charge?
Do you know if you loose the ballance block could you plug the lipo directly into the charger itself and ballance that way as well
Ok. Here's my question. I've just bought a venom pro quad charger. The storage/discharge rate is ridiculous! So I'm not a plane guy. I'm a truck guy. I reason bought an Xmaxx and is why I bought the venom charger. So. How can I get my batteries to a safe storage voltage without having to put them on the charger in storage mode? Could I use one of those checkers shown in the video as an alarm while running?
Does the XBC100 Smart LiPo Battery Checker & Servo Driver do the same job as those little $3 things you're using? Or should I buy them too??
Very informative 👏
Can you use traxxas batteries to charge on Venon Duo?
iv been doing this for about 20 years and iv never put a battery to storage! not sure why everyone thinks they have to do this? all you need to do is use it up till its not got alot of power left you will find out it will be close to starage. but if you have plenty time and patience go a head lol pointless to be honest!! and as for the power plugging it's a myth..when you get your new lipo it is 30% charged! witch means its at 3.7 to 3.8 3s but i wouldin't recomend under 3.5
3.8 volts is not 30% ... some of those little lipo checkers say it is 30% because you have about 30% of your flight time left, but it is not 30% of the total voltage, lol. Listen, I know batteries. I'm sure what you have done for 20 years has worked just fine for you, but trust me, if you used this method over the last 20 years, I GURANTEE you'd see a major performance increase out of your batteries as well as lifetime longevity. You'd be saving money too. Id be willing to be real money that my 10 year old Lipos will out perform your 10 year old Lipos any day.
Hey guys I have a question I just got mines today. When you discharge these do they automatically discharge to 3.8V ?
Your balance charger should have it set by default to 3.8v, so yes.
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I learned to balance charge when I got init drones . These rc truck batteries look like they don't have that balance plug (jxt) , question is does that jxt xh plug go into the balance ports on my imax b6 ?
Being new to electric motors, RCs & Lipo batteries I feel a bit like "Lawnmower man"
Great video folks. I have a question. I have two 11.1V 3S Lipo and both are puffed up. Are these damaged and can they still be used?
Some would say to go ahead and use them. I have honestly used “puffed” Lipos before, but there are wide stages of a puffed LiPo, and I only did this because I couldn’t afford new ones, early in my flying years. Nowadays, I say if you can afford new ones, please do so. Recycle the old ones, and play it on the safe side. Happy Flying 👍😁😎⚓️
I go into nimh if they don’t charge up. Sometimes it works sometimes don’t. Have left them without discharging for 4 year and more. They still work some don’t
So awesome you guys thank you so much for video...
you guys are the best, thanks foe being family friendly (even though it's just a 60 year old man here).
I am fairly new to RC but have a huge pile of cheap chargers that come with RTF planes. on your recommendation I got the Venom pro duo and love it, thanks!
My question: the Venom charger will show voltage of each individual cell when a lipo is connected by pushing the "inc" button. Is there a reason you didn't mention this? Is it less accurate than your little gizmo's?
Thanks again.
We are proud that the entire family can watch our videos without worry :) So glad to hear you like your charger! I guess we are just trying to keep the videos as simple as possible, which is why we didn't mention that. Many people have asked about our little gizmo in a lot of previous videos where we mention it, so I felt like I should cover that a bit more. The voltage on the charger is very accurate. Something I may mention in a future video, but thanks for asking about that. Happy Flying!
Is storage charging about the same as discharging? I've already learned so much from this video! Thank you so much! I like the relationship you guys have with each other!
hey guys, i know this is kinda late but i didnt know how to ask anywhere else. i have tons of 1S batteries and was wondering if you storage charge them and what process and equipment do you use for that? Thanks, Ron.
When you set the alarm for it to beep at 3.6 volts can you hear it good if your plane or truck is a good ways from ya?
The alarm is pretty loud. I've never had any issues with not being able to hear the alarm go off.
Lol I was wondering a good week straight what is being balanced...lol I just came from 1997 with my 7.2v Original Gangster Dodge Ram bodied Stampede 2wd with a amazing 7.2v 2000mah with tower hobbies fast charger with a what? a discharger! a what? a discharger! Yea... thanks for the info I take everything in bcz frankly all motorsports and the lifelong blessings of RC autos are the dearest to my heart. It truly improves the quality and joy of my life. I don't have much joy since my family disappeared. This all helps me sleep and makes good days!
Can you storage charge multiple batteries on a balance board?
Good video , but one question , is it ok to charge a 2s lipo if it is not fully discharged ??
Hellooo anybody here ?
Should I stop flying my rc airplane when the as soon as the propeller starts spinning a bit slower, will that keep the battery over 3.6 volts?
Great video! I learnt so much! But I have a question.... I have a 3s/2200mah/8c that i am using for my transmitter. To avoid puffing, I try to keep the operating voltage between 3.9v (highest) and 3.6v (lowest) per cell. So if I never charge to 4.20v Will this damage the battery over time? I am concerned about "Battery Memory"
Women are most always better at keeping track of time (5 vs 3 years on the goggle battery) than men. The other day I asked my neighbor how long I've had my cat. She not only knew how long, she even know the month. -- The exception to the rule of needing to balance or do a storage charge is with "smart" batteries, like DJI drone batteries. And why they are more expensive than "dumb" batteries is they have a charger built in each battery that handles all that stuff automagically. The first time I noticed this happening was when I had charged my Mavic batteries, then it got too windy to fly. About a week later I noticed the green light on the battery was on, and it was quite warm to the touch. I had a few moments of panic then realized it had been about a week since I had charged it, and it was just discharging itself to a storage charge to prevent a dummy like me from damaging my battery :>
Very much agreed. Abby definitely wins vs me when it comes to remembering dates and stuff like that. You are right about that regarding smart batteries being the exception. Automagically, lol. I like that :) I love that they are able to do that, thought I don't love the price :/ Amazing where technology has brought us!
Hi folks, maybe you can answer this question. I have a Spektrum 2200 charger and need to charge a Spektrum SPMX3003SJ30, but have no clue on what the setting should be? Please advise.
Hi I live in Az. Do you keep all your batteries when not in use in your home in an amo box?
I'm very new to the RC would. I'm going by common since to bring them in the summer my garage gets to about 110°
So I want to bring them in the house in a battery box or can they withstand the Heat?
Is there any reason not to balance charge every time? Does it take longer or is it harder on the battery or anything?
It does on average take longer. I tend to balance charge about once a week or maybe once every two weeks. No need to do it every time. Great question 👍⚓😎
FANTASTIC CHARGING OVERVIEW! I learned so much! I can't thank you enough! JP
Glad you liked this video John :)
Great video. I have the same charger why can't you increase the Amp when storgege mode? Takes forever for a 6S at 1amp. Should be up to 7amp storgege charge
Hi. Do you have advice on how to use the wee digital status device described in the last 5 minutes of your video? I am new to RC planes and wondered where it would be connected to hear a low voltage alarm. maybe I have got the wrong end of the stick here.
I always come back to this vid for reminders. Y’all do a great job. Thanks.
I just ordered one of these
Would it be helpful to show how the Charger can also verify the voltage of each cell so people can verify if their $1 testers are accurate?
Yes, that is a great point! I may have to include that in a future video. Trying to keep this one fairly simple. Good tip though!
TheRcSaylors I totally understand. I’m always finding things I wish I had put into my videos AFTER I’ve uploaded them. Hehe. You guys do a great service for the community, keep up the good work.
I am trying to balance a DJI Phantom 4 Dron smart battery. After watching your video got a Venom PRODUO charger. After opening the battery I found out that the conector or balancing lead of the battery to the BMS Board is a 5 pin JST SH 1.0mm and the 5 pin female conector of the Venom charger adaptor is a JST XH 2.5 mm. I am ready to make a custom conector male JST XH 2.5 mm to a female JST SH 1.0 mm, my only concern is the order of the cables. Can you help please? I just want to know wich pin in the 5 pin female JST XH Adaptor is the ground as I have 5 cables in my battery balancing lead, 4 reds and one black. Thanks for your help
I'm kinda new to the hobby and I have some "self discharging" lipo batteries are they safe to keep charged and do they really "safely" discharge after time on their own??? What's the deal with self discharging batteries???
I was wondering..... Does the Venom charger have and on board display that shows the finish voltage after a charge?? Thinking that would be a bit more accurate than the little cheapo ones.
So, I have a 5000 mah 2s lipo and I need to storage charge it. What settings would I use?
5.0a 7.4v?
Good information. I typically use the battery meter on my LIPO Charger to get the pack and individual cell voltage rather than using one of those little battery alarms. Much more accurate. Thanks for the video and Happy Flying!
Great tip my friend :) I should have showed that feature as well, but still trying to keep the video simple. I like the little alarms because they can be used anywhere you are, rather than just with your charger :)
Yep, here it is. I never fly this time of year. But I never had a Viper, Marlin, a-10, or a Conscendo Evolution. Now if I can’t feel my fingers it’s not the disaster in years past.
This is the time of the year still I think of Nate. It’s time to reorganize the battery boxes, check that all the batteries are in storage mode, Velcro aren’t pulling up and all the connectors are in good shape.
I have plugged in my balance lead in 1st for 15 years. It cant be that important. Not saying that anyone is wrong.
So im a noobie to the hobby (yall got me into it and I absolutely love it!) but i was wondering when yall were talking about discharging a battery for storage, does using the battery in my car until the LVC stops it mean the battery is discharged enough for storage or do i still need to do the discharge on my battery?
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but i want to make sure that im taking proper care of my stuff. Thanks yall!
Not a stupid question at all! Actually, if you use your RC car 'till the LVC kicks in, that's probably a good bit under storage charge. The BEST way to see where your voltage is at if you don't have a charger that will tell you is with one of these guys ----> th-cam.com/video/CKWjWRggngc/w-d-xo.html
This is our video. Hope it comes in handy!!
@@TheRcSaylors thanks for the quick reply, i will definitely pick one of those up. Yall stay safe!
Thank you much!!!
You are welcome! Thanks for tuning in 👍😎⚓
This is the best info I’ve come across about battery storage
Thank you very much 😃👍⚓😎
Question. I did a storage charge on a Zee 5200 mah 3s battery. I am doing a balance charge as we speak and the mah is at 3000 and climbing. Does that seem normal? I thought a storage charge drops/adds the battery to the "middle" in my case 2600? Thanks
Wrong?? I question perhaps just DIFFERENT! I do understand the concern of lipo fires and new guys however it is mentioned in prior videos done. Well if hobby stores are shopped clerks will also mention, Buyers of On - Line your videos keep ME informed, Different than others YES it does not make it wrong.I catch most your videos and some other you-tubers like today CoVID and rain, stuck anyhow eh let us learn. My charger is just the one plug that accompanies the product I`ll ask is that wrong?
Good follow up video guys and you showed me I was wrong in my previous comment about your battery tester. I have since amended that so as to not confuse people. I have a few of those testers/alarms and I've since tested them all and only 1 was reasonably accurate at measuring voltages. I've never actually used them for comparing cell voltages as I have more accurate devices for that, so even if they are slightly inaccurate they will still do their primary job as a low voltage alarm. Please keep up the good work, it's much appreciated.
My charger will perform storage at 2 A. I mainly use it for my 3S 5000 mah and my 4S 4000 mah. In your opinion, will performing storage at 2amps be too much or is that still save? Because if you can balance a battery matching the same Milla amps I’m pretty sure it is much safer to do a storage at half of that. Even at discharge for storage, it’s still not as many abs as the speed control draws.
Poor Popeye. He had nothing to chase.
But a great video followup
Thanks
I think we'll have to get out and fly more after these battery videos :) Thanks for tuning in Chazco!
Great job guys. I think these videos will really help the newbies and give veteran pilots good reminders. Now let's go get some planes in the air
Still a little windy for planes here :/ They are coming though :)
I just got back into the hobbie again after 15 years, and this was a great video for my wife and I to learn from! Thanks for doing this!!