Why We Don't Watch Anime Anymore
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"Not every person who watches a show wants to self-insert" Biggest truth I heard this year
Tbh, I never knew that was a thing. It actually kind of opens my eyes up to why people like certain animes that I just hated. It's certainly a different way to look at anime, I just don't care to self insert myself
Of course, I can only imagine younger viewers want to self-insert themselves, but I don't think I've ever done that with any anime; games, sure, but they're far more immersive than any anime could be. I watch these shows to be told a griping story about the character and their adventures in their world; who they meet, how they grow, etc. Most times it seems to fall into a mess of tropes, bland characters, and fan service for the sake of it.
@@XDarkEcho your reason for watching anime is why I watch and like anime. The 3 big reasons being the adventures, growth and how they interact with the world around them. Never self inserted myself in them tho
This. Fucking this.
Some of the most obnoxious shows to blow up over the last couple of years are ones that completely forego deeper character writing in favor of making bland, palletable characters you can project onto. If you're not the type of person who wants to project all the time, then these are literally JUST bland "Who the fuck even is this guy" characters.
Good examples are characters like Kirito from Sword Art, Midoriya from MHA or even big ones like Gohan from Dragon Ball.
People should be writing more Gons or Craft Lawrences and less blank slates with nothing going on.
Aka the entirety of Isekai genre itself. Granted, there are like 5 or 6 actually good Isekai anime but the rest of them are complete garbage.
I think it's just the longer you watch anime, the more likely you notice trends and tropes that goes with every type of anime. As a result, many older anime watchers tend to find the newer anime less interesting because they often have done things that older anime have done already in the past.
Actually I've seen a lot of old shows in retrospective and honestly they're all just as bad/good as news ones...
I think it's just a thing about needing to justify why some people don't like X.
@@l0kk016 i don't hate when people try to justify why they don't like something but most of the time they either say it's cringe or edgy
@@user-cj4fu8qq9b yeah, justifying why you don't like something is good, but just dragging it as the truth of "good taste" is kind of annoying, for example i've seen a bunch of people saying "anime nowadays are only made for money and with no passion" and when i asked, "ok but give me an example" almost no one followed through...
Just like saying that all isekais are the same shit, i honestly haven't had a single conversation where actual good points were made for that, yet everyone says it as if it was a proved truth.
True, and as you get older...you overall get pickier/ more demanding as to the complexity and depth of the story and the characters. What will captivate a 15 year old is unlikely to captivate a 35 year old, although exceptions may exist.
A lotta older fans felt that way about Naruto, One Piece, and Bleach back in the day. Now the generation that grew up on the Big 3 feel that way about the newbies in the 2010s and 2020s
Saitama isn't just bald, he has the same struggles as an everyday person. ie: Mosquitos, missing the sale, losing in meaningless tasks which makes him relatable and likeable
Making new Bootes Voids while trying to do good........
struggle with nihilism and the knowledge that he could do anything and has problems to find hapiness in that
He's really bad at keeping track of things and shows up late.
@@darkenedpsynoid sneezing away Jupiter while trying to do good
This fucking sequence of replies cracked me up lmao
When I was younger I really enjoyed anime so much. Everything was new and badass to me. It was like a door opening and just being surprised with what you found. As I got older I slowly got bored and I'm sad in a way for losing that childish like enthousiasm. I just miss the hype I felt.
I hate when people assume that I watch anime just cause I’m 23 I never grew up on it and I will not be the guy to follow it cause everyone is.
I have co workers who talk about it 24/7 and I’m like bro how tf do you have gfs 😂
That was me when I was younger aswell I just moved on to seinen manga and it got my interests back up it’s just sad alot of seinen manga won’t be animated
@@lmaoooo8764 a lot of girls like anime too. 23 is not old at all tho. Joey is like 29 and Garth is in his 30s and still watches it for entertainment. It really depends too HOW you watch these shows. It'll be childish if you self insert or fantasize about characters or get too into it like mega fans, bc that's what kids and teens do.
Teenagers seem like the ones fighting each other because of certain characters which is embarrassing to me.
I think that's questionable and worrisome if you're passed a certain age. But if you want to learn how story works, study animation, pass the time, and learn the crafts of an animator/artist/director/author/storyteller because you want to get into it the craft someday or is currently in it, which of cours means that nothing wrong with watching anime even until you're 70s. There's a certain point when you grow up, where you watch it and criticize it heavily. I'm like that now when it comes to any show and entertainment, and I also animate so I learn from them.
@@Shishio7512 For me, Berserk got me back into it. Genuinely made me interested in anime and manga again, although I probably won’t ever get what I got from it again.
@@gangbang2706 true 👍
Not even a minute in and I hear “society”. Perfect
It kinda says alot about society isn't it..
hey scrubsy
Hey scrubsy
I'm lost, can someone explain the joke please.
@@CornishCreamtea07 When society, creates a society... We live in a SOCIETY
I believe the term is "over saturated"
That's probably the main reason. I honestly don't mind as long we can still find good and rare gems. As far as I'm concerned there's still one. And also waiting for the anime adaptation of one the best JRPG, it'll be next year
@@pauloazuela8488 Despite the fact that anime is growing more it still has a lot of diversity in story. I mean when was the last time you saw a show in the west about fucking Hockey that isn't Mighty Ducks?
@@Excalibur01 anime is diverse and even more manga. there is a reason that is winning more and more people. i feel like the boys sometimes just like to complain for the sake of it.
will you please
@@FZJanimated Every time I pick up a new manga series or a new light novel I am not bombarded by social media hype train about "the message" or "diversity" in the cast of characters.
honestly I just went out of my "CONSUME ALL ANIME" phase and went from watching 5 seasons a day to really hand-picking what I want to watch next. Shameless recommendation: to all who haven't already: watch Gintama. It's just amazing!
Will check it out
I'll watch 5 seasons of Gintama in a day, no questions asked.
I've tried watching Gintama but, I just can't get into it. I just don't like it, I find it boring.
5 seasons a day? I doubt it
to clarify, I could never watch 5 seasons in a single day, I was exaggerating. In truth, I was watching usually up to 25 episodes a day.
I’m Japanese but Some people in the Japanese anime community have pointed out the same things and expressed their concerns.
The anime industry started prioritizing making quick money, rather than putting a lot of time and money making great shows.
Studios now tend to chose a story that can attract a few, but extremely enthusiastic fans who will drop a lot of money, rather than a great number of people who will just watch the anime.
That’s why we see more anime with with cute girls or ecchi-scenes, and isekai since there will always be an audience for them, and the fans are likely to get physical dvds and buy merchandise.
You can’t blame the studios cuz they don’t earn much Money due to the Seisaku-Inkai(製作委員会) system, where big companies that invested to the production take most of the revenue , and also because of the tax system that really doesn’t go with how the studio earns money.
A Studio’s main source of income is from the sales of merchandise and dvds. This gives the studio a ton of money for a couple months right after the anime aires( but a lot of it will be taken as tax), then will have very little money coming in until they release the next anime.
Jesus... I know Japan had their economy on stagnation, but now the problem is a full vicious circle
Do you know how they choose what series is decided to animate?
@@Voldrim359 They choose similar themes. KAWAII KAWAII KAWAII. ISEKAI. HARAMS. OP PROTAG ETC. Its like gaming
You think we should start a strike for a revolution?
so it's because of that toxic Seisaku policy if there's too much of cheap looking "kawaii" anime on the market... everything is explainerd here. it started since the end of the 2000s. it's really sad. if this continue, i am going to watch no other anime anymore , unlike the ones i loved time to time
This is why modern sucks
The only solution is to massively boycott but that will never happen
Its been like that since early 2010s dont expect the anime community to do anything they are fine with anything
at this point
"It has become impossible to watch every anime" I don't think it's healthy to watch every bit of material from an entire industry. Can you imagine watching every bit of content coming from Hollywood?
yeah thats why very fast i just look the animes that are concsidered "classics" and shows that are well rated and obvouisly look interesting. trying to filter as much as possiblr insteat of watching every popular show that comes out
Animes that needs to fill unnecessary fan service just to occupy the 23-24min mark is trash.
~coming from a guy who finished Gintama with no skipping
anime really has gone downhill
I had a friend who was an avid MCU fan(nothing wrong with that)
But it really took over her life, her entire personality was nothing but regurgitating the same content to the point that she couldn’t even accept people who weren’t in someway reminiscent of her Captain America’s or Spidermans
I feel like when you obsess over Hollywood, you start trying to make everything in your life a movie.
I do it with music. Everything from country to death metal bb
The solution to this problem, which many anime watchers eventually face, is to just watch less volume of anime and focus on high quality, unique shows. Don't try to watch every show out there, because in reality you're not missing much. Find what you think you'll like and stick with that
I don't really think the solution is in high quality shows but in shows that you have fun with, because in the end of the day that's the most important. Today I don't care about the quality of anime, the most important is having fun, I can go from watching a masterpiece to watching trash no problem, and also important is taking breaks once in a while. Anime is not going to disappear so everyone can watch it later. Since I started to focus on the fun I've felt great while watching anime, it was almost like a second awakening haha.
@@dmdm597 actually you are right. This is the right mindset
I mean this is the main issue for these guys, because of their content they don't get to choose what they watch.
Imagine someone watching Every film you would inevitably hate 80% because at least once per season you would see something really good that makes everything else be even more hated by you by the comparison.
Once you watch 100+ things you will inevitably start liking less or less just because of this.
They even mention this with AOT here.
For me this has happened 100% for a lot of anime
Cause i can (for 95% of shows go) oh ok so its just a worse version of Made in Abyss, Parasyte, Jojo, Ace of diamond, Death Note, Attack on titan, Shield Hero, Hiakyuu, Hajime no ippo, Full Metal Alchemist... (with great restraint) ect.
Im down to about 6 series a year (including continuing seasons) at this point despite previously being a fanfic reader tier fan.
My main problem when watching anime. Is that my mind always want to predict what gonna happen. Probably 1 year ago I use to watch anime all day finish 1 season in one day. But when I finish watching fairy tail that where I started predicting what gonna happen and I also start to fast forward the anime episode that am watching. For me new anime become boring and it feels like you always what gonna happen. And I'm the other thing is that when the anime that your watching is ending and the ending is so disappointing 😑 .
@@billdates69 For the endings that's the same with everything in life, it can be in movies or TV shows, there's always going to be good endings and bad endings. And about not being able to finish a whole season in 1 day well that's perfectly normal, about 1 year ago I was in the exact same situation, and tried to consume as much anime I could, eventually I started to feel overwhelmed and watching anime felt more like an obligation rather than just for entertainment, and what I did was I took a break. I didn't watch anime for like a month and eventually my motivation and my will to watch an anime started to build up, and like I said in my comment before I changed my mindset and it helped me regain the love for anime again.
My problem isn't that anime is boring, it's that I don't have time anymore. The anime loophole is a never ending cycle; once you start, you keep wanting to watch more and more. I just can't do it and would rather spend more time with friends or gaming.
If you'd rather spend time doing other things then you actually DO have time.
Sounds like a u prblm
I honestly wanna quit gaming aswell it's just Tiring all the time and is no fun and isn't rewarding same for anime aswell tbh.
@@royalfun1031 he said himself that it was "his" problem so the sole purpose of your comment is to sound rude and edgy
@@royalfun1031 he literally said it was his problem, are you dense?
As I grew up, I just ended up appreciating Manhua/Manga instead of watching the shows. I can read it in my own pace, especially now that my schedule‘s 10x more hectic.
Also, 100% agree. It‘s so rare to find a good show that doesn‘t have a predictable plot and an even more predictable set of characters. The market really is oversaturated.
Same here, but I went from Manga/Manhwa/Manhua to Light Novels & Web Novels. There is even more content now and it goes much deeper than the anime or even the Manga.
it's because the adaptations are often terribly made.
Same issues honestly but its faster to read than watch an entire season
@@arcticwiz2249 it depends if the rythm of the adapted anime are quick and well made but for some reason they rarely do that
The genius of One Punch Man is how it takes an unrelatable situation and makes it relatable. In real life people deal with feeling with being stuck/underappreciated/bored. Being underpowered is usually how this is narratively done. But in OPM, Saitama gets the exact same predicament from being overpowered. He feels stuck and bored WITH being overpowered AND is also underappreciated. THAT'S why he works, very relatable human struggles despite near opposite circumstances to reality.
One Punch Man is when you've maxed out your character stats to god OP and finished the main quest of a video game but you're stuck milling around in the world and doing uninteresting side jobs.
Another reason it's good is due to the focus on side characters. In many series they never get fleshed out and given their time. In OPM they are the spotlight Saitama just chills with his buddies and gives moral support (if it goes too far South he'll step in).
genius of OPM lmao
@@maddiesiegmund5623 ah bro I felt this. Just beat vice city. And I love the game atmosphere and characters but...now there nothing to do. I'm just driving around in a car listening to 80s bops. Kinda bittersweet and mello
@@maddiesiegmund5623 So you're saying than OPM is Genshin Impact endgame? LOL
I'm only 6 minutes in and this is literally the epitome of growing up. You get older, gain more experience, learn to critically think, then suddenly everything is so bland, predictable and or shitty. Makes watching movies hard when I can predict exactly what's going to happen 5 minutes in. But I think it's also a good example of learning to differentiate bad writing and good writing. I think what they've said can be applied to anything. Video games especially.
Exactly. This video topic is engaging but it's a bit silly actually ha. The age demo for most anime is early to late teens right? This video could easily be titled "We're getting way old now, let's talk about it" ha.
Did you become the movie prophet bruh? Can you tell me the lottery numbers as well?
I was thinking, i don't even watch anime but experienced the same thing with sci fi.
especially video games. I usually buy every PlayStation that comes out but this generation I just have no interest in buying this console. I got a switch and buy oddball games instead.
I disagree simply because i can watch the old animes i enjoyed 20 years ago and still enjoy them now.
The issue that i find that is nowadays is in the quality and type.
BAck in the day anime took itself more seriously, good shows, plots, different.
Now, fanservice, silly jokes, boobs, and they are all the same.
I still watch anime when something unique comes out, maybe 1 show per year if lucky, in 2021 i actually havent found anything good. Demon slayer was for 2019 or 2020?
I still continue to watch Attack on Titan, about the only anime i still enjoy and want to see it finished.
My mom at 60 still watches anime with my dad, my 50 year old coworkers watch, so i doubt its about growing out of it. Its just what you watch, a lot of anime now is garbage.
This is why I just read manga nowadays and barely watch anime. At least with manga, there's a lot more variety to choose from
I also get to dictate my own pace. With manga, I can blitz through 5 chapters if my reading speed's good and I can grasp the concepts without having to slow down. With anime, I have to sit through 5 minutes of exposition for the technique behind a single attack while it's still in slow-mo.
This so much I also read manhua and manhwa I no longer bother with anime not woth my time anymore.
Doesn't matter if there's "more variety" (which, bear in mind, is just a claim you falsely made up). What matters is if there's variety to begin with, and both mediums have variety.
@@kottadragon Yeah but why would you want to get through a series faster? It's not a race. Plus manga has exposition as well, it just depends on how it's handled. In HxH's case, Togashi is just a lazy hack who can't comprehend that one of the core aspects of manga is Show, Don't tell.
Fr, same reason why I'm more hype for a new manga than for a new manhwa/manhua/webcomic or whatever. New manga series are more often than not just so much more distinct from each other compared to anything else. Idk if animation company execs are just hunting for the new most bumfkg copypaste walmart SAO in town everytime they look for which series to adapt, there are genuinely manga series whose premises alone are a million times more interesting than the long title clones that get axed a couple months later or get no adaptations for like 10 years and yet for some fkg reason isekais and game world light novels or mangas get an anime adaptation instantaneously almost all the time.
As you get older things tend to seem “uninspired”. But what it really is is that you have so much reference from your years of watching a type of media that you enjoy. So it’s a lot harder to find new experiences for you. But a kid that just found anime doesn’t have any reference so even shows like Baruto are exciting for them. There are only so many story’s to tell and it’s kinda hard to expect brand new idea when so many shows have done variations on every story out there. So your “uninspired” or “boring” anime is probably thousands of kids favorite show because it’s there first experience with that type of story or characters. 😅
Now I’m not saying that shows can’t be bad. I’m just saying that the rose tinted glasses for some of your favorite first shows may be covering up the negatives of them because they were your first experience with those story’s/characters. And that memory of those older shows makes it hard for you to get into newer ones because you’ve already seen the tropes, clichés and characters.
I grew up watching Dragon Ball Z and loved it, but I can acknowledge that it's story, character development, etc. was lackluster. The problem is just that it's oversaturated and printed en mass prioritizing quantity over quality.
@@Murdoc488 I personally think that it’s always been this way. Again I think people are allowing their nostalgia for things they watched to cloud the fact that most media has always prioritized quantity over quality. I think the difference now is that we’re older so we can see wear a show cut corners. But as a kid those cut corners didn’t matter because it was still a new experience to them.
I also think it’s really hard for most media nowadays because there are so many shows so many video games so many movies. Honestly how are you supposed to innovate when there’s an oversaturation of stories in the first place. I know that there are people innovating and making new stories. But they’re much more fewer and far between because anime and movies have been around for so long. One of the reasons video games are still able to innovate in so many ways it’s because video games haven’t been around as long and technology has held it back from its full potential. But even that medium is slowly running out of new interesting ideas because pretty much everything has been done.
@@Murdoc488 Did you watch the funnimation dub and have never watched the episodes before Z?
I have watched way more movies than anime yet there are still new films coming out that are great (this year for example Everything Everywhere All At Once, The Northman)
So no it's definitely a problem specific to the "anime industry"
The idea of kids enjoying Boruto is kind of hilarious lol.
I don't really know if I'd say it's a problem with recent anime in particular. Generic and uninspired anime, much like all forms of generic and uninspired media, has always been a thing, it's just that it's inherently more noticeable in the present. Generic anime is pretty much forgettable by definition after all.
Nobody is going remember or discuss every mid mecha show from the 80s or every by the numbers harem romcom from the early 2000s. People just remember what stood out at the time, making it appear as if the ratio of generic and unique anime has shifted. I imagine the increased availabilty and visibility of anime through the internet along with the increased production also contributes to this perception.
more anime being made is almost entirely the reason it appears this way
Yep sturgeons law.
But also take into consideration that there were a lot less shows being made (like before summer season wasn’t even a thing) so while there were a lower concentration of great shows there was also less awful by the nature that if a show was going to be made they were less mass produced. Even during the mecha and moe booms. And while stuff from the other decades may also have their generic-ness they’re generic in a very different way with 90s OVA’s being an edgy type of generic, moe becoming about the gimmicks that made separated them from other cute girls doing cute things etc... but because those aren’t the saturation’s now, those ideas feel like a breath of fresh air.
Exactly. The same thing is happening and has been happening with video games alike.
yeah but i dont expect these guys to acknowledge their biases in critiquing anime, its not like its their job or something(obvious sarcasm)
Or how most isekai from the 80-90s were romcom or gag shows.
The fact that producers no longer dare to come up with new stories and concepts because they fear the financial risk is not only a problem in the Manga / LN / Anime industry, but one of the entire entertainment industry today. That is the reason why we have had all these reboots from franchises that have long been completely exhausted in terms of storytelling. Unfortunately...
Belated reply, but I have to give props to PA Works for bucking that trend with their original series. They've been doing more adaptations in recent years, but whenever they do an in-house original series, I know it will at least have an interesting premise. I don't always like them (Glass Lip ugh) but they usually have very unique settings or focal points.
It also gets increasingly difficult to be original.
That says a lot about society
Tbh, I think plenty of anime fans would riot if it didn't follow certain tropes, too. You take out the badass rival? People will complain. You take out the gorgeous almost perfect love interest (except for that small flaw the protagonist just happens to be able to fix!!) and people start looking for one to fill that role.
And why so many shitty shoes pertaining primarily to social/political views are being released in rapid fire form. The digital public eye will crucify absolutely anything that deviates away from the narrative so now studios are overcompensating by hiring the morons that feel the need to interject it wherever they can
I've been watching anime since I was a kid, when I turned 18-19 I stopped watching anime because all felt the same, but nowadays (30 yo) I realised it's the mainstream shonen what keeps repeating itself. There's a minority of animes (and a greater number of mangas) that has some point of quality and deserve to be seen.
exactly my feeling
Felt this watching Jujutsu Kaisen, that the entire thing is just derivative of other shonen. Watching too much of genre fiction unfortunately leads to it becoming formulaic and forgettable after a while.
why a minority of anilme cause they're adapted the same way, no don't reply me.
My problem is that after watching several anime and reading tons of manga, I started to see how the manga panels are being animated(if you know what I mean). Like you can see some static anime scenes and you'll recognise that yeah this whole 4 minute dialogue was done in two panels in the manga. And you can actually read it in your own pace whether it be fast or slow depending on the context.
Yeah seriously, my main problem with anime is that it's way too slow.
Yeah I completely understand that. It's so much easier to just go at your own pace when reading.
I think a large issue people have is that when they get into anime, they have years of anime to draw upon. But once you get into the seasonal grind, you release how few and far between the gems can be
That being said, if I can find 1 or 2 shows a year that I consider my "favourites" (9/10) and a few 8's, I'm pretty satisfied with my anime viewing experience
This is true but there's always a gem each season I feel like. This season it was Heike Monogatari for me. This season was awful though. Platinum End, Mieruko Chan, vampire dies in no time among others I dropped because they were so bad. It's not worth it.
This year was pretty good , at least 7 9/10 shows and lot of 8/10
@@kingdoom5022 the beginning of the year was good but the last two seasons were pretty bad
It’s like most forms of Entertainment. The more you get the more you realize how many/few are actually good.
@@kingdoom5022 I rate much lower than you seem to, but I'm pretty satisfied with this year
*it really says a lot about society*
I'd like, but you already have 69 likes.
He really says a lot about society.
summed up in 7 words
“We live in a society”
@@mrrickstur We all live in societies. Everybody does.
The problem is binge culture and pushed consumerism. Its predatory marketing. We get given so much choice and at such a pace we burn out. Also a lot of the time creators make content just for the sake of making content instead of for the art and creation of the story. Its leaking into everything. Another example is TCGs where they release set after set in a very small time frame and noone can keep up. We've poisoned ourselves with to much choice.
Once u watch enough anime. U start to realise the troupes and clichés. It doesn't become fun when u can predict what happens next. Joey is right "once I read the synopsis I can tell u in detail the first 3 episodes" and I can tell you the whole 12 eps for the seasonal animes.
I had a friend say something similar. He said that stories nowadays aren't as good as stories from prior generations (or something like that). I just pointed out to him that he a) has a huge back-catalog to pull from as he looks at stories from prior generations and b) he's noticing more fluff stories because he's this generation's catalog isn't complete (aka it's more noticeable when things are coming out currently compared to looking back and handpicking).
i think there was a name of this bias but i forgor 💀
@Q I think it’s just availability bias.
@@user-cj4fu8qq9b Declinism or rosy restrospection
These are my points when I was having discussion about difference in 2016 fall with 2006 one. The worst part is the 2016 fall anime season hasn't even started yet.
this is why i only read manga nowdays, and pick manga based on 4chan read alongs, most modern seasonal anime is just bland and garbage
Maybe it's just the fact that the most successful and marketable anime are ones that use the same ideas of previous anime with some twist here and there. It's difficult to be original and the formulaic may not interest veteran weebs but they sure as hell would interest people who are just getting interested in anime.
@@diydylana3151 I believe so. I mean the demand of anime is so high now and only goes bigger. From the 500 shows, most of these are all generic or recycle just to keep the landscape rolling
Yep, this also applies to video games and movies. When the MCU started, movies started their own cinematic universe. When Dark Souls, Breath of the Wild, Smash, and GTA came out, video games started copying theirs with different mechanics. So pretty much the medium doesn't have anything original and I will never understand what else they want from anime when everything else isn't original.
@@JLacay
I think the problem is that to weebs, anime is overrated, and by that I don't mean that anime isn't good or doesn't deserve a lot of credit because when it's good, it's like nothing else. But, anime fans tend to see anime as being different than other media and put it on a higher pedestal despite at the end of the day as great as it is, it's just another medium to tell stories with meaning while it can reach levels of greatness it will have the same flaws and mediocrity that other types of entertainment do as well.
@@mikemorro140 Yeah that's true. People seem to overhype anime too much when in actuality, it's like your everyday entertainment with good characters and stories such as the MCU and video games.
I think people enjoy it a lot because the animation is a lot better than most western animation shows. A lot of people gave up in western animation because they found it to be bland and too simple while anime is very fluid and beautiful like movie animation quality. The only animated shows that are great are Arcane, Hilda, and Primal.
Exactly. The issue I have with their arguments is they reiterate the fact that they think all anime nowadays are repetitive and redundant, but it seems they fail to realise exactly how hard it is to be fully original nowdays with anime or really anything.
I never used to read manga in my youth, maybe like 1 or 2 particularly good series without adaptations, but now as an adult i can barely sit through an entire show and i read way more manga than I ever have before
I've noticed it's pretty typical that anime fans read more manga when they get older
im only 19 and i enjoy manga more than anime right now
@@connergalles7106 I'm 22, I would definitely consider 19 an age where you really start to develop your own taste
Fr tho like I started watching anime 5 years ago I watched almost every anime from 90s to now and binged tf out of it but now I only read manga and manwha
I do enjoy manga not because i love it but because i hate the anime nowadays
Its like series not everything is good on Netflix seriously just take for example the isekai genres
From the 2000 to 2006 every damn anime was good lol now you can barely choose one
Im sorry for our kids nowadays no great memories just shit
@@connergalles7106 same, I haven't watch anime for months now can't even remember when I stoped.
It's crazy to me that Trash Taste keeps insisting that Mushoku Tensei, a Light Novel series serialized in 2014, only 8 years ago, could somehow possibly be the progenitor or trendsetter of the modern Isekai genre. It certainly set some of the tropes, such as "Truck-kun", but in reality, Mushoku Tensei and the modern Isekai model is built off of decades of Isekai that set and propagated those tropes. Familiar of Zero, Tenchi Muyo: War on Geminar, The Ambition of Oda Nabuna, Problem Children are coming from another World Aren't they?, Sword Art Online, Log Horizon, just to name a few of the anime that came YEARS before Mushoku Tensei and solidified nearly all of the tropes that people would falsely attribute to it. Isekai has always been jam packed with power fantasies, harem elements, clueless and easily self-insertable main characters, etcetera; in fact, calling Mushoku Tensei the "Grandfather of Isekai" is a misnomer by default, because Mushoku Tensei didn't just slap those elements in it's story like so many of the Isekai knockoffs nowadays (I'm looking at you, "In another world with my Smartphone"), but rather, subverted those tropes by allowing them to occur more naturally within the story. If Mushoku Tensei had really been the first isekai, or in any way a progenitor of the modern form of the genre, then we likely wouldn't be seeing so many derivative and bland knockoffs, because at the heart of the show, Mushoku Tensei wasn't a trendsetter of Isekai: it was a strict subversion of the lack of worldbuilding in it's predecessors, a trait that has NOT been carried forward in what many call Mushoku Tensei's "Successors". Re:Zero was another such subversion, focused on subverting the lack of flaws in the protagonist, and exploring the true consequences for their actions. Both of them became a benchmark for what could be accomplished with good worldbuilding, pacing, and character development, certainly, but since those traits have not been unanimously carried forward, they can only be considered exceptional outliers, rather than progenitors.
Your long text is hard to read due to lack of paragraphs. Next time try organizing it more, just a sugestion, not an attack.
Actually, the true Progenitor of the Modern Isekai Ganre is MAR. That Manga/Anime introduced the pillars for the ganre and was the first big Isekai out there. All other Isekai you mentioned built on the success MAR had in the 2000s. People tend to forget about masterpieces of Manga/Anime that came out before Social Media.
The true consequences in Re:Zero are episode long conversations.
You mean mid tensei ?
as someone who loves shojo & josei, the origins of isekai is interesting to me. in a way its the exact opposite of the isekai we hv today
Here's the best advice...don't watch anime because it's popular or recent, actually take the time to look for anime you'd like and watch them instead. So many hidden and underrated gems, plenty of great 80's & 90's anime, lots of great movies & OVA's, even the 2000's had plenty of hidden gems. Usually some of the best anime are the ones people aren't talking about or even heard of. Try looking for old anime that you missed and you may find yourself a hidden gem
Yeah i find it frustrating how Connor takes so much pride in only watching what is popular and then turn around and complain about everything being redundant and repetitive. Like dude, maybe if you stopped watching what you're being told to watch and actually look for your own stuff you wouldn't be running into these issues.
Good recommendation for show's I searched for bored but enjoyed after watching. Gargantica on the Verdurous Planet, Astra lost in space and claymore. These are just a few favorite gems I found and surprisingly enjoyed.
Gargantia is actually one of the first anime I ever watched. It’s still up in the air if I watched that or Future Diary first
I stopped watching anime for a long time now but I could give some tips?? Since doing this thus rekindle.. Just a bit of my love for 2D...
Rewatch old animes or something nostalgic to you or find old animes in the genre that you like... And then start to branch out, little by little... You might stumble a gem you never knew you needed to watch
And yes, they are so many underrated old animes that are forgotten because, they are, just old and completed...
@@yachishairclips2250 Recency bias is a problem in anime community, since it was still niche before the internet and everything had all these anime forums and databases. A lot of anime watchers are either newbies or they started with anime that were on tv growing up. And some people just watch what their friends recommend to them. Take advantage of the anime databases like MAL and you'll find a lot of good anime. It's harder to find the old anime since a lot of fans never heard of them if they are newbies or if they never saw them on tv when they came out. Also crunchyroll, funimation and netflix don't really have that many anime to choose from so need to look at other anime which aren't on there
"Isekai is just so inbred"
Bro Conor is the funniest dude in this show 🤣🤣🤣
Miyazaki’s criticism of the industry is basically that.
But he's definitely not wrong
All the most memorable anime take many, many influences from literature, art, and fiction all over the world. Same goes for musicians for example, you might have a metal band you really love but then you look at their Spotify playlist and there's fucking jazz and bubblegum pop. Inspiration and influence is very important to keep experimenting and inventing and these generic shows don't get that. Another prominent example is anime dialogue, God damn it they treat us like children, so Connor is spot on. I have always wondered why I love the way western stories tell their dialogue so much more and now I have the answer, they FEEL like real people talking. Then you look at the way they talk in anime, FUCKING NO ONE irl would ever talk like that, not even the Japanese talk like that, It's absurd.
@@askiia8713 for how much GOT after season 4/5sucked..i must say the best part was the dialogue. I never believe a dialogue sence can so fucking heart pumping
@@yuvalgabay1023 I agree. Dialogue, character chemistry, and dynamics can make or break a story. There are countless "slice of life" shows or your typical romcom sitcom dramas that are so entertaining even though the setting is super generic and half the time nothing significant is happening, just mundane troubles of life and stuff. But not only is that relatable, it's still so entertaining because those shows are usually more character driven and the dialogues are usually great, when we can laugh at characters joking with each other, you really grow a sense of bond with those characters.
I have gone full circle, and can criticize and analyze anime and its quality, originality and novelty, but have not let it stop me from enjoying something trashy but funny or somewhat enjoyable even if so similar to something I've already seen.
Lmao I love how Garnt knows exactly what Joey wanted to say at the beginning. These two truly share one brain cell it's amazing.
This is why it's important to have a balanced life, rather than LIVE for entertainment. Anime and movies should be a thing you go to every now and then, not everyday
Oh yeah, like drugs
@@zainiadnan2335 I know this is off-topic, but speaking of drugs, there are a lot less drugs in anime than in many Hollywood films. It's probably because drugs are bigger in the west than in Japan. But on a different note, though one that relates to the conversation, if you LIVE for entertainment, you may as well do cocaine or heroin or meth while you're at it because you'll be facing dissapointment at every turn.
Yeah it can be very addictive
@@nimus7601 Do such entertainment addicts also do drugs to the point of addiction?
@@zainiadnan2335 I mean yeah, like anything that's enjoyable. Self-control is the name of the game.
I mean it's not really anything new. Remember how in the early to mid 2000's we were overflooded with generic slice of life anime's?
we still are thou
@@senritsujumpsuit6021 now they are doing slice of life isekais
Pretty much. now that anime is a global thing now and not a japanese only thing, anime studios have to diversify different genres for different targeted audience, though so far you could still see some generic copy & paste here and there, so you really have to search for hours to find anything good to watch from the abundance of anime being pumped. The ones that are popular like MHA, AoT, demon slayer, and several isekai anime are the go to watch since not everyone has the time to sift through the pile of sand to find a gem.
Anyway thats my take on the whole schmuck of "we don't watch anime anymore" kind of deal.
@@InternetDweller009 Hince always check to corners never just look at the front page and think that's all their is :3 if I did that still I would commit unlife
@@InternetDweller009 also has to do that there are still many ppl not watching anime or just started watching it. So many of them just don't know what anime was before and think everything is cool or fresh now
I’ve been far more selective with my anime as of late. Ranking of Kings and Odd Taxi have been my most recent watches and even if they have a retread story the visuals are really nice!
Odd Taxi made me sympathize with a homicidal Gatcha player, it automatically wins
Would also recommended Heike Monogatari and Mars Red! Two mature animes that are very different from the usual animes that air every season. Adult characters who actually act adult. 👌
Yea, the only anime/manga that have been interesting lately are Odd Taxi, Ranking of kings, Vinland, Summertime Render, and Made in Abyss. But One Piece is ramping up again.
I think the problem is reflective of larger societal issues in Japan. The Japanese are incredibly risk-averse these days and so they won't take a chance on breaking with established tropes.
Also, every year a fresh crop of chuunis are stamped out of the mold by Japanese society, making it unnecessary to break with established formula.
The issue is with western society they have water down their art for western society no more gore actual characters dying which is fun to see a beloved character go so it can build a better story around the villans and heroes
@@sanjaybailey835 yeah, ok
@@sanjaybailey835 chainsaw man, jjk, dorohedoro, vinland saga?
western entertainment is just as risk-averse so its not a japanese thing at all. Its simply too expensive to take risk anymore.
But there's so much anime. Wouldnt you profit more from making something unique?
My biggest gripe with isekai in recent years is the game mechanics trope. I'm just SO tired of this boring, done-to-death, lazy approach that in 99% of all cases is only used to let the creators skip the world building. "Oh it's a fantasy RPG style world with RPG mechanics, go knock yourself out, you know how it goes", basically.
The _entire draw_ of the genre used to be getting to explore and experience these creative, interesting new worlds, that's why it's LITERALLY in the genre name...>_> But nowadays all you get is "generic medieval fantasy town A" and "generic elf race forest B".
It's a problem fantasy literature has too, that everyone just copies Tolkien over and over, but at least there's an ATTEMPT there to make things unique and different, while isekai anime just play it as straight and lazy as they can.
Idk who these stories are for. Sure, most of us are gamers, but if I wanna play a game, I'll just do that. If I read a light novel or watch an anime, I wanna see actual characters interact, not the visual equivalent of a relationship bar filling up.
This is me though. As soon as I see "elf", I roll my eyes. Like, I don't mind medieval fantasy, actually, but does it have to always contain that same race without any interesting new approach? If I see elves, it's either they're archers, female, and/or some half-elves having discrimination problem.
Agreed. There are some rays of light like Mushoku Tensei out there though. Honestly, that's the only isekai in recent times I can think of that is actually incredibly immersive and makes me truly journey along emotionally with the mc.
Other than that, most are fast-paced, fantasy-scratching, cheap validation seeking and peer approval simulators.
edit: I didn't realise they talked about mushoku in the video, mb
not to mention the game mechanic trope is rarely even there for in universe reasons, a lot of missed out potential to explore why its even there in the first place
Idk if you watched it but you should give slime a try because its a bit of a diffrent Isekai where the Protaginst gets op but he actually does shit for it instead of just being op for no reason at all or shield hero where the Protaginst is weak and slowly gets stronger by acquiring new skills by fighting and it also is a bit diffrent to those boring isekais with the typical story
Three words: Watch Mushoku Tensei
I'm also thinking that Western Animation has finally understand that Animation can be used not just for comedy. Castlevania, Arcane, Dota, ect. I've noticed that anime as a Base could make great for artstyle but having a good script and dialouge can really make a great series. Japanese anime need to focus on more mature writing.
Dragons dogma is anime though.
@@Grudgebearer47 sorry I ment to say Dota
they DO have mature - directed audiences in every season.
it's just up to the audience whether they want to watch or not.
@@ronaldt2339 Thats true what im saying is alot of the Hogwash that has Been Washing Out from japan have been Fallowing a Certain Category that have become common Place. Power Fantasy, Wacky Comedy, and thats about it. its been along time since we had something Original. Odd Taxi was the Last Original Thing I watched This year. Its only Once in awhile that i watched a series that made me think. all im saying is anime isnt what it used to be and the Repetitiveness the Same Show gets tiring. Castlevania and Arcane have been the shows that have felt the most Orignal Anime Vibes ive felt in along Time and Their not even from Japan.
@@MisterFister612 that's because anime's main audience are kids and teens. That's why we rarely see any good adult animes nowadays like cowboy bebop
I tend to agree, I only recently "got in" to anime a few years ago, spent a year obsessing over it then ended up dropping it as fast as I picked it up, the stories just seem to be cookie cutter now and the originality that I originally gravitated towards is just gone with all the new shows. 80s/90s has a great back catalogue so I guess there's still that, but regarding new seasons? A lost cause
I absolutely understand the watching in 2x or going straight to manga thing. I started watching Sword Art and Danmachi in my early teens, and nowadays, I just skim through them for the action scenes. Going straight to the manga on the other hand, is great for shows that love to pad out run time by stalling on static reaction shots, internal monologue, straight-to-audience expo dumps and comedy bits that normally only take up a couple panels or bubbles on paper.
I agree with your manga take. It's honestly much faster just to breeze through. For example, if I want to get into Demon Slayer, I'll just go to manga. But that's just me.
I don't think I've ever "self-insterted" in most anime I've watched, even when I was like 10, it was the world within the anime and the unfolding of the story which interested me
Ya most animes I’m not trying to relate to the character too much.
Yea, but unfortunately most shows don't seem to understand that, it's like if the character isn't so bland anyone can self-insert themselves into their shoes it's not worth putting on the air 90% of times, which is the most bs thing ever.
@Meldrick Edwards ya and just like waiting for the story to reveal itself. Can’t really relate to anime characters like that.
I self-inserted BECAUSE I was in love with the world 🤭 Never as the existing characters though, I never understood blank slate characters tbh, because in my head, that's THEIR story, not mine, why would I project myself onto them?
That's how I got into fanfiction originally, writing my whole class into our most beloved franchises at the time. I'd publish the newest pages every Friday and the whole class would stay behind after lessons ended voluntarily, just to read about themselves (as actually themselves!) in the world of Digimon, Sailor Moon or Harry Potter.
Of course, I eventually outgrew the cringey self-insert fanfic phase, but the sentiment still stands - I usually just want to see a cool story, I don't need to relate to the protagonist. If I WANT to imagine myself in that world, I'd rather do it as myself, not with some bland, boring audience-stand-in 🤷♀️
@@sleepysera Exactly, I'm in my mid 20s and still read a few self inserts but usually only when they're an original character cause it's better. It's always been that the world and/or situation is the draw of the anime the characters are just icing if there good enough
I’m 30 years old and I’ve been watching anime since I was 5 or 6. I’ve seen many progressions in different animes. I understand one can get tired of a genre. Trick really is to mix it up. Not only with anime but some regular shows or documentary’s. Can’t really say anime has gotten boring or not worth watching. There will always be a breakout anime every year.
Sturgeons law my man, Sturgeons law
@Raul Zamaniego
Or come to the Tokusatsu medium for a new fresh perspective.
I'm only in my early 20's and I haven't had any problems. I think its all based on people's tastes and interests.
yea i think the trick is to watch bad ones so that the good ones stand out more
Same here. I‘m almost 30 too and have been watching Anime since..ever? And I‘m still as hyped at a new Season as I was 10 or 15 yrs ago. Hope it‘ll stay this way forever.
One thing I've realized is that if I was to start watching some of the anime I watched years ago today, I probably wouldn't be able to make it past the first few episodes. I tend to find a lot of stories boring, or there are tropes that are overdone. It's not just with anime though. In the recent years, it has become more common for me to not finish shows. It may just be a part of getting older.
Part of this is just getting older and more familiar with the genre, so you have a far broader pool of experience to draw comparisons with.
But another thing I’ve noticed across all medias is the increasing over saturation of the market.
With each decade producing media of any type has becoming more and more accessible, both in terms of creating, publishing, and reaching a very wide audience. What you get from this is a greater rate of content creation which means more content is being with each year than the year prior. There are likely still as many quality new anime shows being released as before (which to be completely fair, the genre itself wasn’t prone to producing back to back high quality creative hits in quick succession anyways), they’re just hidden underneath the mass amount of lesser quality and average shows being released too.
I work in publishing and see this with books too, and you’ll find the same trends when looking at tv shows, comics, movies, video games, TH-cam videos even… It’s a phenomenon brought about by technological change that I ultimately still see as a plus, despite the trade off in quality from the surface view.
I also think perhaps another thing to be considered is that y’all have had lots of time to watch through all the pre established classics of anime that were around when y’all first began watching, and were also around to watch some classics as they released. It’s survivorship bias. The classics you watched got released alongside a whole slew of other shows that have been lost to memory and time, often because they simply were not up to par with the ones people remember and cherish. In retrospect maybe 10 years out from now, you may be able to reflect on this a little better regarding this specific time-the shows people will love for life that were released now, the ones that got added to the forever growing list of classic anime you must watch.
I've been insanely picky with anime in the last few years. mainly i noticed how its mostly targeted at guys so female characters often feel lame and over sexualised. amd when i go to look for something targeted for women its either inverse harem or gay romances and its super boring, im in my twenties not interested in that stuff anymore. and plus it always seems to be teenager mcs so idk im trying to watch a bit older anime. i liked samurai champloo even if it was simple ill try cowboy bepop maybe utena if i can go past the artstyle haha
I relate to these feelings so much…
i feel you. im in my twenties too and i can't relate to highschooler mcs anymore which is why i didn't continue watching My Hero Academia or even Demon Slayer because while the fight scenes are quite good (i'll give them that), i can't really relate to the mcs anymore. nowadays i just watch/rewatch either some animes that are straight up just fun to watch like JoJo/OPM or ones that are a bit more on the mature side such as NGE/AoT
If you haven’t seen trigun it’s a good anime
Try Vivy: Fluorite Eye’s Song and Violet Evergarden. Two great anime with female lead characters that are not one-dimensional
Definitely checkout Cowboy Beboy and while you’re at watch Kids on the Slope, Carole & Tuesday, Michiko & Hatching, all of which are made by the creator of Cowboy Bebop and Samurai Champloo (Shinichiro Watanabe).
100% agree with what Connor is saying about Lelouch, the type of person that he is is one that thinks they should be able to plan everything out with some genius strategy and unless they're incredibly experienced, that type of character *should* keep getting hit in the face with random stuff they didn't anticipate. So many shows miss that. I think it can apply to plenty of other types of characters too...I get pretty bored with a show that takes itself seriously and doesn't have the characters facing some kind of personal struggle that stems from their personality or approach or how they interact with the world.
I basically started watching anime in like 2009 and I definitely relate to the sense that after a while (for me it was around 2016 or 2017 maybe) it got way harder to find good new stuff. There were still occasional specific shows I thought were really good, but the difference was that there were a lot of shows made between like, 2006 and 2014 that I could really enjoy even if they were kind of trashy or just dumb fun, and I felt like it got way harder to find that stuff after a certain point. I still don't know if it's because my tastes changed or because what types of show got made kind of changed - both certainly happened.
i pretty much agree, i always find my self just not watching shows that are new intel way later the show is done and no one is talking about it, cause i dont really wanna waste my time on a show that i wont like, also watching stuff weekly freaking sucks. i hate having to wait a week for a cliffhanger.
People forget lelouch had some serious character faults. He wasnt above using people, and sometimes makes mistakes in tactics. He has an emotional breakdown at one point and he even causes some fuck ups later on in the story. Lelouch while smart, wasnt perfect. He was petty and he didnt forsee every event occurring which leads to some people he values, dying. And he learns from his journey and mistakes. He grows as a character. Many writers who try to take all of lelouches best characteristics while ignoring some of his worst, ultimately make a weaker and bland character because a story is usually about a characters journey. When you eliminate the part of the story where a character gets Development, you basically are on a crutch because the rest of the narrative has to make up for that.
The main problem is that the anime is for 12 yo kids and not for grown ups
@@chadprinceton8486 i disagree
Can you guys do podcasts where people can chime in or comment on the convo? If that’s something yer willing to do, I would love to see how that pushes the dynamic of the conversation
My biggest problem is that non of these shows even get a chance because their only given 12 ep, but yeah they could try harder to have a different plot.
As I've gotten older I realized that on average we are all "normies". So I will only pickup shows that are relatively well reviewed by the community.
yep same i just dont have the time to waste anymore
This is perfectly put into words what was going on in my mind. I think a lot of anime love in my younger days came from an want to be edgy and different from consuming media different from the mainstream audience. But as you grow older you kinda realise you're not all that different and consuming something just for the sake of consuming it or for maintaining a part of your identity is foolish.
Yeah fr
There was a time when joey said to watch even bad anime cause you'll get to know what are good shows and what are bad
But nowadays I don't actually have that much time so I generally stick with the mainstream stuff and only some non mainstream
@Kane 2021 was a great year for anime ?
If that was the case we wouldnt have jjk demon slayer chainsaw man AOT or vinland saga so please re educate yourself
Hot take. This is the exact same reason why it was sooooooo hard for me to get into demon slayer. It looked great. But the first 5 episodes are soooo generic shonen I wanted to pull out my hair. What kept me around is the supporting cast which really kept me hook which made me sad that we had to go through so much generic story to get to the parts of the anime that makes it unique
Same here, except then the cry baby supporting character was so, SO obnoxious I couldn't take it anymore & had to stop. There's a limit to how whiny you can make a character, and they went WAY beyond what's tolerable for me. I don't care if it's one of those "he gets better later on!" situations... he's so bad now, it literally killed my enjoyment of the show :(
@@corey2232 ah it’s kinda enduring for me. At least it’s different and not a normal boring lancer in shonen. Ya know the brooding serious type. It’s nice to have a character that just REALLY does not want to be there but one way or another is there. Kinda like ussop from one piece
Watched season 1 just because people said it was good. I hated it and couldn't understand why it was liked. Then I watched the movie because I was genuinely interested and I'm now hooked on the story. I cant wait to see what happens next
Watched the first part of the first season (ep.1-13), and then I dropped it because of the genericness of the story, and I thought the pacing was kind of bad as well. My brother in law loves the show, and says the hook for him was in the movie, but I don't want to suffer through 13 more episodes, let alone spend good money on the Blu rays to watch it. Also, I wouldn't like how the production committee would get money for feeding me a generic show, and I don't want to give the creator any clout for writing a generic series. Is the movie good enough to endure through the pain of the second part of the show? I've been thinking about re-entering the anime, but I'm not so sure about it.
@@madnessoftrd9582 I personally enjoyed it because of a spoiler but that ultimately turned the show into less of a generic Shonen for me. It's still not in my top 5 favorite shows of all time but it's decent enough to watch as the episodes come out now. Idk I really think it's up to you. Episode 19 is way too overhyped but it can have comedical moments at times. I'd say if you're at least a little bit interested then it's worth the watch but if not then you won't really miss anything
16:50 Pandora hearts is a good example when those factors done right, to the point you feel the music just come up from the pages of the manga.
Like when you hear the harry potter theme from the movie and you feel that is just basically what happened if the book turned into a music theme.
I have watched so much anime growing up, to the point where I would finish maybe 200 episodes a week on average. For the past 5 years I have had such a hard time watching anime so that now I watch like maybe 15 episodes a week at most. I resonated so much with the statement "I feel like I can read a synopsis and know 90% of the anime." Meanwhile many shows I did enjoy are either cancelled or on hiatus for years because it doesn't follow the current molds.
And that's why new ppl who get into anime get their minds blown and believe that it's the best thing in the world, because you are pretty much treated with masterpieces. But when you are in like 5-6 years, you would start understanding what this trio just said
@Zold that's a shallow outlook. Sure the amount of fanservice in an anime has increased, it doesn't mean its only fanservice. There are a lot of good, entertaining shows with strong concepts even now
Honestly getting into the seasonal grind is the worst thing you can do, go and watch shows from the mid 2000s or early 2010s instead if your third awful generic isekai from the current season
You don’t even need to go that far. I’m pretty confident that there is always a hidden gem per season depending on your taste. It’s just that they are not popular.
I have been doing seasonal grind since about 2013 and i have watched about third of anime from 2000s to 2013. There are a lot of gems in that era (especially 2007 and 2011-2013) but if you look at a single year, you will be pressed to find 5 that are rly worth going back and back. In the last 4 years, we get sometimes a hundred anime in a season, and many of them are bland, but also almost every season, you can find an amazing anime from a genere of your choosing. Lets pick summer 2020. You want some harem/romance trash? You got Kanojo, Okarishimasu. You want your screaming protagonist shounen? You get fire force. How about some isekai power fantasy show? Protagonist of Maou Gakuin no Futekigousha is too OP to die and in first episode kills and revives his enemy every 3 seconds. Deca-dence is a great take on the adventure scifi with very intresting world and intresting characters. If you don't care about new anime you can just sit down and watch 2nd saeson of rezero, third season of oregairu and sao alicization 2nd season.
The 2000s and 2010s also have their fair share of dogshit animes so its not fair to call out this season without acknowledging the shitty animes of the early days,honestly nothing really changes its just more noticiable.Anyways this is just my take,I apologize if my english is bad
Other than that have a great day
:)
@@gnilbis7859 ofc they had the thing is it had more shows people mention 20 years later than 2020 will have in the future. At least i woud expect it.
@@hohrhamikaiolaf464 yeah i hope it wont turn into a shitshow like hollywood,anyways cheers
I feel this so strongly. I don't watch new anime anymore. It has allowed me to go back and watch some older stuff. Im stuck on Patlabor right now.
Anime goes through trends that cause oversaturation of tropes. It makes it difficult now to sift through all the garbage to get to the good stuff because of how much there is. Good stuff is still out there I'm sure.
Watch old anime from the 90s
I use to watch basically every anime that came out or was already out, but as of the last two years I have a harder time staying focused & having my attention drawn in to invest myself into a lot of anime anymore also. I still love it (mainly because I draw manga also..), I just have become very picky about which ones I watch, & look for the best.
Its really telling when, in the Asian light novel scene, there's practically an entire genre dedicated very specifically to "I have awakened memories of my past life and realised that the world I'm in is an otome game and I'm the villain what do I do?". Like, not just isekai, but a genre so specific that just by seeing the first two words of the title you can probably predict how the first arc of the entire story will pan out, and also all the tropes that the story will invoke for the foreseeable future
the asian LN scene is late stage isekai
@Zold light/web novels is such a large concept that what you said is incredibly hyperbolic. Imo, it's more accurate to say that while there are a lot of good stories that came out of this scene, they are obscured by the large amount of generic trash that somehow always rises to the top, creating a negative view of the medium as a whole. For example, there is a story that I really enjoyed, written with a lot of emotion and which defies a lot of the tropes it set itself in a very pleasant way, only for the translation to be cancelled for getting low readership just because it shared a similar premise to another novel that forgoes all character development/good storytelling for violent, baseless and downright idiotic revenge fantasies
otome isekai lessgooo
Yeah, once you read like around 7 or more, all the characters are interchangeable, all the stories feel the same, the only difference is the art style. But everything is the same except for small differences.
This usually means, 5 chapters in, you already know who the endgame romantic pairing is, so you just feel tired reading the story and watching the character dance in the "will they, wont they" charade.
Also, the trope of a character not recognizing their feelings for 40 chapters gets annoying asf,
"Oh my chest hurts watching this girl hang out with my oppa "
"Why do I feel angry when I see her with that man" like come the fuck on, are we supposed to believe fully mature adults dont understand their feelings? These are thoughts middle schoolers and kids would have, most high schoolers irl already know what it feels like to be attracted to someone. Which is why when a story doesnt do that tireless charade it instantly feels 10x better and easier to read through. Characters self aware of their own feelings and how others see them are so incredibly rare but are a treat to read their stories because that usually takes smarter writing to tackle a romance story where characters are more emotionally mature, because you cant drag it out 100 chapters because characters keep misunderstanding eachother or it takes them 80 chapters to recognize that blushing every 30 seconds around your crush is love and then spend 30 chapters to confess. Also manga dont really make the 2nd male lead or female lead a believable obstacle and if they're not, give us another reason to have them in the story. Maybe go the oreigairu route and make us catch feels because we are forced to watch a character we get invested in learn how to deal with heart break and rejection in a natural way, I couldnt bring myself to watch the 3rd season when it came out because it made me sad.
@@iiiivvvv9986 which one is that, i'd like to read it for immersion practice
Yes, because they realise that they don't have to put effort into making something original to rake in the cash. Just look at the resent seasonal anime line-ups with all the little posters, 90% of them look the same.
"that time i got reincarnated as the truck that killed me and every other isekai protagonist"
90% seems awfully accurate somehow
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Sturgeon's Law in action
Yeah it’s a safe option cause people most people don’t want to risk it and can lose alot of money
It's been like 40 years. You really don't expect repeating themes lol? The devil is in the details. That's what makes a show interesting. Looks generic because everything is generic. Your only choice is to wipe your memory and start over if you want something new and can't appreciate the details that set them apart.
The issue here is that Anime no longer follows through. We see so many one season anime that never get devloped further than the foundmentals. I get this same feeling from LITrpg right now.
11:35 I have seen this so many times in the "were gruesome and mean" animes, within 2-3 episodes (or as long as it takes to clear the intro-sequence) they tend to become as standard as it can get with all the usual tropes and character-responses shortly after. Goblin slayer, shield hero being good examples, sure they reference darker elements here and there but any sense of true setting malevolence is either sidelined or downplayed the moment the shock-clicks are received.
SAO gets stick for many of it's tropey aspects but it does things than most never even consider, not as well as it could be done but "they done tried their best" an actual exclusive relationship develops and even gets some time to mature (tho i'm with the abridged in terms of the reason it STAYS exclusive), the grand plan of the "bad-guys" generally comes to light at a sensible point of time for rational thinkers without viewer levels of external information, each game/setting is used well(-enough) as the story backdrop rather than as the entire focus. sure enough it's jarring at times but it's not an isekai, it's a world with top-line VR so the real world implications SHOULD have impact on the "gamey/RP" aspects, hell it manages on occasion to finish off story aspects that the matrix utterly failed on (i.e. how to finish a dual-world storyline without making the MC magical in all the worlds they exist in.
I'm convinced the best way to watch anime as a "newcomer" is to never go into that "binge everything under the sun" phase.
It's going to take me ages to reach that seen it all mindset because I only watch a few a year and rarely dip into stuff older than a decade or so.
The "causal" "non-weeb" anime fans also have it the best because they just wait for hype and word of mouth to push them to watch a show, just like what they do with live action media.
This is what pushed me away from anime a while ago. I've never been a big consumer of it but it usually feels so derivative. Coming from reading a good novel and then reading a manga or watching an anime, it feels like watching teenagers just trying to make up "cool" stuff. Of course there are some exceptions here and there but there's SO MUCH TRASH!
@Zold I think it comes down to anime not really doing anything inventive to expand its viewerbase or appeal to otakus that causes so much of it to be pure drivel nowadays. Not all of the new stuff is bad, but theres so much drivel at this point that its hard to siffle through.
@Zold dude you are hilarious thinking older anime is any different than newer and is just not the fact that the good remains and the bad is forgotten xD
@@Jacob9641 but it’s far easier to find good books and tv shows than good anime, because more of it is made
@@jacobdaniels3246 duh
@Zold Chainsaw man?
*Could you guys put out top recommended anime per genre? In series, ova, and movies? Also avliet for mixed, vague, or uncategorizable.*
I know I’m late on this but in regards to getting bored, I think that’s pretty natural when it comes to anything in life. I’ve been watching/reading for 12 years now and I only look for stuff that really peaks my interest at this point. The reason why we do this is because we’ve already sifted through the garbage and we now have a based understanding of what we like vs what we don’t, as you guys mentioned in this video about Isekai all following the same tropes with the exception of a couple.
im a big mushoku tensei fan myself, hearing gigguk and joey's combined opinions on it make me feel good :)
Loved the novel and web novel but I must say the head rants Rudy does are a little too much like he will saving some girl from something, and then boom 1-2 pages of him thinking he could do anything to her as he pleases. I’m just thinking by the end of the rant like just kill Rudy now dude doesn’t deserve to live anymore.
@@ce461 well yeah your not exactly meant to like the character, the show doesn't gloss over the fact of what he is warts and all but it's not like everything he does is bad it's supposed to be a morally grey character with good and bad points, same thing you could say about his father too.
@@DabDabGoose yeah but for 12 volumes straight is a little excessive. Around volume 12 he finally moves on from his past self to being Rudy and start on his new character arc of finding who Rudy Greyrat is. He still does weird head rants but they are nothing like they were before.
@@ce461 he was 34, when he died though the time to unlearn very ingrained traits from your past life is going to take along time, compared to a kid who is still learning their place in the world. It feels realistic in that regard.
@@DabDabGoose I dont know some of those ingrained traits are so absurd for any reasonable human yet I’ve seen those same traits being used by the author of konosuba on kazuma mainly worse in volume 6 and combatants will be dispatch as a whole. Makes me wonder how much of an issue those thoughts are over there.
Just in 2021 and only in tv (movies excluded) we watched anime like Odd Taxi, Mushoku Tensei, Re: Zero season 2, Vivy: Fluorite Eye's Song and To Your Eternity. The anime are not declining in quality, we have so many anime per year now that "seems" the quality has declined. If you think in averages then maybe yes the anime are not so good anymore, but the GOOD anime produced per year are more than ever.
Also Sonny Boy, Dr. Ramune and Megalo Box season 2 Nomad
Hey, don’t forget yuru camp season 2. Best anime for me this year.
I think that's the reason why I'm now prefer to follow cartoons than follow seasonal anime because like there's only like 5-6 new cartoons every year and because of that there's no way you are going to get fatigue over watching them.
DON'T FORGET OUSAMA RANKING!!! HELL OF AN ANIME!!
@@aobasuzukaze1032 Umm...what new five cartoons came out this year? I don't that's how western cartoons work? It's been a long time since I watched a cartoon...but I don't remember there being 10s of cartoons each year competing for that specific TV time slot like it happens in the anime industry.
I'd love to see the three of you write an anime together. I think it would be really cool to see from people who have watched and really gotten into the deep reviews of so much anime.
It is part of growing up not to indulge for hours in a medium that is 90% made for teens and or otakus
Hard to deny that logic
Most sensible comment here
This is one of the main reasons I don't watch seasonal Anime like that I pick at least 4 or 5 shows that catch my interest because If I look too much I feel like I'll end up hearing the same concept/story and plus I have hundred's of shows that's been on my list for like the past 6-7 years I haven't seen yet. Some of the Anime that Joey and Conner bringing up like the isekai trend is why Anime that were gems like Meglo Box No Mad that came out this year got slept on and I think it's the best sequel we got I would even almost call it Anime of the Year but no one talked about it at all, Can't help but to think we be doing it to ourselves sometimes🤷🏽♂️
I mean mech isn't dead theres alway at least one or two per season its just if a anime isn't iskeai , shumen , or fanserice it simply never picks up steam.
i stopped watching seasonal Anime regularly about 3 years ago, with few exceptions of specific shows that i was looking forward to. nowadays i just pick up more and more Manga and if occasionally a very good or interesting Anime comes out or had come out in the past and some1 told(forced) me to check it out only then i would go to Anime and not Manga.
I think it's natural to go through phases of liking things and getting bored of things, it's also natural to go back. I took a three nearly four year break away from anime and thought I'd grown out of it, but I'd just been bored and had over done it, now I'm back and enjoying it much more because of the break
Same. Its like a relationship 😂
Same happening to me. Feels more fresh now. I do the same with video games. I've played so much of them that I know what to expect from them.
Yep
@@mau345 Yes, i guess thats why you leave you SO, try someone else out and come back to them? Did you think about this line before you pressed enter?
@@frostdracohardstyle I’m pretty sure he meant that you have a relationship with someone else not the same person
I hate that I feel this way, I've distanced myself from anime ever since I graduated highschool in 2020. I still love it, but everything just feels the same, and when I do watch anime I tend to watch ones I already watched for nostalgia, or older ones.
Same here. I've been watching a lot of anime recap videos, because I had no plans to watch the actual show.
And every one I watched, was exactly how I predicted the show would go.
Plus it pisses me off when fans try and convince me these trash shows are actually good, when they're not!
I'm just stumbling upon this quite late but this feels pretty validating because I've been feeling this way also. I get a lot of flack because I don't like Kimetsu no Yaiba... but after watching a few episodes of it I just kind of knew it was a newer version of the same kind of story, right down to the lack of shock over his parents dying. I'm longing for something that's fresh and original but it seems that those kind of projects just don't get the bills. It seems little by little things are improving a bit.... but the volume of not very anime is definitely higher. DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED ON THE IDOL TRASH. When I go to Animate I don't even feel excited anymore... I can't tell if it's a ME problem cause I'm getting old... or if it's a lack of quality. But I feel like it's the latter, and at least I'm not the only one who seems to agree.
0:31 i like how garnt understood what joey was even trying to say and explained it clearly to connor
I often retreat to 90's and 2000's also China for a different feel
@@senritsujumpsuit6021 What?
@@iamKontou that comment was not supposed to be their XD hmmm
@@senritsujumpsuit6021 I was confused for a second. Any 90’s, 2000’s anime to recommend btw?
@@iamKontou for 90's theirs Irresponsible Captain Tylor; Figure 17 and Key the Metal Idol
for 2000's theirs Michiko and Hatchin
When naruto and luffy had their dreams planned. Being hokage or pirate. I feel like back then it mattered and we were all hyped. But when we get black clover and my hero. The worlds best hero or the wizard king. We already know what to expect because we’ve been through this already. You can watch and enjoy them but you already know what you’re getting yourself into!
The difference is though- Naruto is a story about a boy who wants to be accepted. One Piece is a story about a journey to become the best. Each one of his crewmates aspire to become the best in their respective fields, which I admire. My hero is a little generic in its goal but has some truly tearjerking scenes in the manga and it clearly isn't just about Deku becoming the best, unlike Black Clover. At one point in the manga, we get to hear dialogue from Ochaco. And she says this. "This is the story of how I became image number one hero. This is the story of how we all became the number one hero". About half way through, the striybstops being about Deku and starts being about UA and the looming threat of AFO and Tomura, with OFA and its users at the center, obviously including Deku. It definitely isnt as layered or what I like to call "Simple on a really complex way" like one piece is, but is ouldnt compare it to Black Clover.
Its not exactrly the same thing tho. In a major perspective you can identify some similarities, but in the execution is when the stories differ from each other. BC and MHA take some common shonen troupes, but they twist them to make their unique histories
@@sheevpalpatine6139 no, the story never stopped being about Deku. U.A is just a backdrop and the characters are there to enhance Deku not the other way around. And even then, despite Naruto wanting to be Hokage, it’s not like we don’t see others being Kage as well, he just wanted to be the Kage of his village
@@BabyGirlTiny I meant the story stopped being about JUST Deku and OFA. If you're caught up in the manga you'd know the students of class 1A have become just as important as Deku, but for completely different reasons
Naruto, black clover and one piece are different, but also the same.
I watched so many of them that i can summarize everyone in a single plot:
Apparently random child with dead or unknown parents lives a normal/low tier style of life, one day discovers or gains an immense power, follow years of training to master this power, aided by friends and teachers found during their trip. There is usually a friend or childhood friend with innate skills, that gets gelous of their friend's sudden awakening, so they become enemies, but they are still friends. There is always a tournament of some kind, maybe more than one, just to show the powers of the MC compared to other characters and to advance the plot (the MC has to join because he'll get something important to him). The MC will fight enemies just a bit stronger than him every time, and if the anime is long enough this gets just absurd (dragonball i'm looking at you).
Sometime in the story the MC finds out that his unknown parents weren't just common folks, but they themselves had powerful skills/powers.
I mean i can continue and add details, but just this could be the summary of one piece, naruto, black clover, bleach, dragonball, harry potter, in a way blue exorcist(even though we know the parents from the beginning), hunter x hunter, owari no seraph, attack on titan (but it is missing the tournament xD, and the parents were alive and present), fairy tail
It's not just anime, but all of media that's being oversaturated with whatever execs think will be big. Overall creators aren't in as much control as they were in previous decades, and I hope the decline of sales forces those in control to give up and let artist be in the lead again.
I feel one thing that's an issue as well is that when you grow up, you gain more awareness of the concept of "demographic target". The more you watch anime, the more you realize "this anime wasn't made for me", and then you have to choose between abandoning/ignoring and find other ways to enjoy the one in question.
We need more 4th Dimensional chess-type-plays in anime. It will at least tell people the writer had to really try. We shouldn't go back to the days of when people were only important if your power level is so big. Can your character physically fight Goku? Because that seems like one of the most important questions, nowadays.
That, or we need more of whatever Jojo and Baki are on.
can he beat 30 billion spongebob tho?
i think the reason why people like
smart over fast fights is because a lot of anime have really fast fights sometimes you can't even tell what the fuck is going on so when a anime explains better what's happening each fight it becomes more enjoyable, most people that watch the ufc have some kind of understanding of martial arts if they didn't they probably wouldn't understand
but still anime isn't only fighting you also have to think about other things too like the lore, characters, and motifs etc...
and this is a opinion from me who watched a shit ton of action movies with my dad when i was younger and still prefer having a story over pure action
you don't watch much anime don't you
@@bribanco9024 Quite the opposite, actually. I'd say I watch too much.
@@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache the amount of bullshit you comment is crazy, you should think before you write and rethink what type of content is influencing you.
I think it's the same problem that TH-cam has nowadays : people wants to create things and make money, and are corrupted by this latter, that's why the TH-cam videos feels so alike too.
Basically we are currently in a production mindset instead of actually wanting to make a good show, which takes more time and cost way more money and effort to produce, and is not garanteed to find his audience, since as you guys said, there are so much entertainment that is released now it's a real challenge to stand out.
if you want high quality youtube and like gaming check out Scott the woz hes my personal favourite
he doesnt make any money off yt and wont take sponsors either and really cares about his work and does charity stuff too so hes not a bad guy either :D
@@juice3287 Hello ! And thank you I'll check that out, if we remove the possibility of corruption from a show, I know that it will at least be made with heart ! :D
@@Syobla well some of my favorite youtuber does have ad and sponsor but they really passionate about doing their job and have some heart for it so it not always about the money it about if that person want to be corrupted or not.
That's a problem with a consumer that doesn't want to look more into the app. There are tons among tons of TH-camrs. Some still have the exact still of 2017 lol.
The yet algorithm pushes for 10+ videos, and making high quality 10 min + videos everyday, and everyday uploads is very important, is really difficult. So realistically, only game play and commentary/reactionary videos are viable for content creators which is why the site is so dominated by them.
I feel the same way about video games, every game is just a re-skin of the other one, every game is just content. I cannot play another mission about going to point A, then go back to point B for something you missed, now then point a will open A door to point. And for the anime/manga arguments, I agree with all of your points.
I know they are talking about anime but there are really good underrated mangas and anime that are worth checking out if you're bored of mainstream anime. I would like to recommend Noragami, Pandora Hearts, Otoyomegatari, Wolf Children. There are surely other beautiful underrated mangas that you may have seen so what would you recommend?
To be honest, I feel like this is the main reason I didn't enjoy Demon Slayer as much as everyone else. It was a good show don't get me wrong, but it really felt like every other shounen I had watched. And it didn't help that I had just finished Code Geass which imo is one of the best anime I've ever watched.
My problem with Demon Slayer personally wasn’t its use of tropes, but rather Tanjiro’s conflicting feelings of wanting to save or kill demons didn’t clash enough for me. This, and also how the demon’s motivation and backstory almost always revealed after they’ve been defeated.
It's been years since I watched Code Geass, but I think I like Demon Slayer more.
Yeah I didn't really like Demon Slayer. In fact I got so bored I ended up dropping it. None of the characters feel unique or engaging and the overall plot is mediocre. I don't even like the character designs.
So much this. And I even remember when they introduced the Hashira charcaters and it felt like they were making them purposefully annoying and childish. I had to force myself to watch until the end.
I only watched first episode of demon slayer and kinda dropped it (well, i was kinda busy and just didnt pick it again lol) but I don't know about code geass. Code geass has the most satisfying ending ever and personally prefer it a bit more than fmab, but the r1 ending is kinda.... Yeaaaa
I just really relate to what Conor said. Weebs nowadays don't seem to like flawed characters. It just takes away the humanity in them.
One way to enjoy anime is to mix it up with other medias or perhaps animation of other countries. It's refreshing to see how certain tropes can be done differently by non-japanese creators
I semi stopped because I got sick of people being like “oh you like dub ew insert bad slurs”
I hate people who say this. People can watch whatever they want regardless of the language.
@@TheManUnderTheSun yeah 🤝
Why do you care what others think? Just watch the shows you enjoy.
The history channel Vikings show did languages quite nicely. It was primarily in English but in scenes where the English, Francs or Vikings were in the same scene they would speak alternate languages which helped a lot with immersion that they don't actually understand each other, and characters that did speak the alternate languages spoke freely/broken.
They sort of did the same thing in 'Allo 'Allo, only they just spoke English in different accents depending on the nationality of the character/what language they were speaking. It is more for a comedic purpose, though.
I'm nearing 30 and have been watching anime since I was 13.
I've definitely stopped watching EVERY show of the season but I can't say I've ever gotten bored or jaded with the genre as a whole.
On top of that we've had incredible Western shows like arcane that released this year that really make the future look bright.
I imagine there's an element of burnout with your life and job surrounding it so not dissing the guys in any regard.
I think this really hits the nail on the head. When someone's job for the longest time is watching/talking about/reviewing anime, I can see where someone would get burned out by it.
They mention that all anime feels disposable where its made to be consumed. Anime is meant to be entertainment. It is meant to be consumed. Not everything you watch on TV needs to be some deep show with some commentary on society or something like that. Sometimes all you want to watch is trash. I think that's fine.
I think I understand what they're trying to say, I find myself going back to popular animes that have more seasons coming out and I just don't feel motivated enough to pick up fresh ones. Recently devil is a part timer s2 made me come back to watch more anime and the last time I picked up a new anime was spy x family. Any other ones I find are just stuff I just watch to chill.
I really like watching anime, I will probably always love watching it but I definitely have to take breaks from it in between series
As long as anime like sonny boy are still being made I’m satisfied
That’s truly an amazing one
That’s a passion project and the creator had to do his share of grunt work to get the chance to do it
Also Vivy
Vivy, Ousama ranking, Odd Taxi...
@@kchikwete not surprised dudes a goat
Just give me a proper Berserk anime adaptation, and i will die happy
I kinda fell off the anime train and started reading more manga and manhwa but u found a gold nugget the other day Ushio and Tora, ive watched a good bit of anime at this point and this shit was a breath of fresh air even tho its very cliche shit was fun and had a great ending but i felt empty af. Shit made me feel feelings and i really havent felt like that in a while towards a new anime
This is so true biggest thing i took from this is that the more anime being pumped out just leads to more of those 6 and 7/10 animes which makes it feel like the 8,9,10/10 animes arent even there but they still are some really great ones out there
Finally, someone put it into words. There has always been mediocre anime, but nowadays there's much more anime being made each season, so there's more bad or uninspired anime
It be like that about 80% of the time, but at least you can still grasp 1 or 2 gems among the dozens and dozens of re-skins.
I'm 39, I've watched anime since forever and I haven't grown tired of it yet. However, I have become much more selective over the years. Nowadays I'm mostly drawn to seinen and josei anime, although I still watch purely fun shows like Kimetsu no Yaiba, Jujutsu Kaisen or Tokyo Revengers, in spite of their obviously flaws. Like you said, the majority of shows nowadays are shitty, but every season I can find one or two shows worth watching (I have a whole selection process).
how many anime has a slime in it now like 2 or 3 new animes a season?
Starting out on anime early on gives u a gigantic pool of content to choose from, and u can easily spot so many good gems from the many recommendation lists when it comes to every genre of anime. But once u start getting into the grind to watch seasonal anime, you'll almost always feel like anime is becoming more and more generic which is absolutely understandable. There's just so much bad and mediocre shows released every season nowadays that you'll feel overwhelmed by the number of throwaway shows every season instead of being able to spot the clear best shows of the year. I've been burned out on anime for awhile now since watching seasonals too much has made me feel desensitized towards anime, not that I hate anime, but there's just so many shows that were released many years ago that I haven't watched that are still on my watchlist that I wanna watch that I feel tired just thinking about them due to the habit of watching shows weekly. If u had never started watching anime weekly and only watched shows that people recommended from any time period, u would never think that anime was generic because the only shows you're watching are the handpicked ones from people who've seen every anime and know the good ones, so you're only exposed to the good ones. The reason people think that there were more good and unique anime in the past is because they weren't around to watch anime seasonally during that time period (quantity released back then was also less compared to now). Watch any season of anime from the 90s or 2000s and you'd easily see the same thing, many mediocre or trash shows and among them, the 2 or 3 good ones that stood out and are still remembered by people to this day.
I think it depends on what you expose yourself to. Vivy’s Flourite Eyes, Eighty-Six and To Your Eternity felt pretty fresh and that all came out this year
Vivy was generic af lol. I can tell you're about 14 yrs old
They did but they are the exception, not the rule. That's like 3 out of 30 or more.
@@Leonhart_93 That's literally the case with any form of entertainment though. There are literally thousands upon thousands of tv shows and movies released each year with only a handful being good.
@@bobmishima3295 Not quite any. With TV series and movies I know that there are a lot of then that are pretty weak overall, but a lot of anime series are incredibly bad, to the point you will have to pay me to watch them, and I will still hate every moment of it.
On the other side, in the world of the books a very large number of them are very good, I can't possibly read then all in my lifetime l.
@@Leonhart_93 I mean you would literally have to pay me to watch Cooking with Paris or Who Killed Sarah and this is literally just garbage I can find within a few seconds, there's trash out there that doesn't even make it to rating sites.
Honestly I feel this way about every cookie cutter drama I see advertised on the large broadcasters and they aren't even on that level of bad. Like do I really want to watch Big Sky on ABC? Nope.
You guys should check out "ghost in the shell: stand alone complex". It came out in 2002, and is a bit separate from the original manga/movie, but still has one of the most gripping stories and winding mysteries I've seen in entertainment in general. There's a lot to be seen, and found in multiple watch-throughs, as the story unfolds in such a way that lends itself to the characters development, and connection to the audience. The characters aren't perfect, they have flaws and are shown blatantly to emphasize the fact that they're grounded in reality, and are people. I highly suggest giving it a watch. 2 seasons, 50 something episodes
I think yall should watch weekly anime together. That really makes it so much more interesting and felt good to have a time where that's what we're doing.