I agree with Phil and also I would like to add that the gas MUST make a 90 degree turn into the appliance so that gravity can catch any condensate or debris and drop into the sediment trap. Theres no turn at this trap where gravity would properly cause debris or condensate to collect in the trap. It’s improper installation
Good question. I look for the presence of the drip leg to be installed at any low point on the piping, not necessarily before or after the shut off valve. I will do more research and adjust my inspections accordingly. Thanks for the question.
Phil,it is preferred the shut-off valve proceed the drip leg but per the National Fuel code I do not believe it is required unless they made some recent changes but the drip leg is still installed wrong ,it's at the wrong orientation ( very little debris would be caught a In it's present orientation).👍🛠
Section G2419.3 in the 2018 IRC states the drip is to be readily accessible to permit cleansing or emptying and not subject to freezing. If it is installed prior to the appliance shutoff you would need to shutoff the main fuel shutoff to drain it. I guess that is acceptable by code just not very convenient. However G 2419.4 in the 2018 IRC states where a sediment trap is not incorporated as part of the appliance one must be installed downstream of the appliance shutoff valve. A sediment leg is meant to catch sediment and forces gas to change direction. A drip leg is meant to catch condensation and may also catch sediment, however a drip leg does not need to be located in a manner to force the gas to change direction.
@@phillatshaw7219 , consumer Natural Gas is considered dry gas by today's standards. When I started working for the natural gas utility industry back in 1983 the gas wasn't purified and as clean as today's gas. That being said horizontal drip legs are becoming something of a dinosaur . Occasionally some utilities put them on the outlet of the gas meter in areas with warm climates but in my opinion the chances of collecting water nowadays would be rare. Sediment traps ( Direction changing ) are required for all stationary gas appliances and equipment/ I believe by all manufacturers ( the exclusion would be gas dryers,gas ranges ,cooktops, gaslights, decorative gas logs and grills). Some states and municipalities prohibit the use of sediment traps on outdoor equipment subject to freezing temperatures but I feel these states and municipalities are wrong and causing more Danger due to debris and unlikely water entering the gas control ( as a matter of fact Generac generators come with a built-in sediment trap). It's not uncommon for codes such as IRC, NFPA 54 GAMA & the AGA to contradict one another. It's like putting 4 attorneys in the same room and coming up with 5 different opinions. My suggestion is to do whatever your local code enforcement Authority requires.
Thanks for posting and all your work to mentor newbies like me! Almost certified! Your videos are very helpful! This is above the visual only standards, as you said, but knowing what a basic inspection (beyond the standards) might entail may be helpful.
Welcome to home inspecting! It is fun and rewarding. When I go beyond the scope of a visual only home inspection, I am (mostly) consistent and I note it in my report.
I'm going to use this for my template comment observations!! EXCELLENT content!!! One question... is the smoke detector required? I rarely see it. Thank you, Mrs.Erck!!! John Grimaldi CMI and InterNACHI Home Inspector Mentor
Thank you! Glad it is helpful. I check with local building codes for smoke detector requirements as they vary with individual authorities having jurisdiction.
Smoke detector requirements are found in the ICC-IRC. You can look up online for the local jurisdiction, I doubt they would have amended them out, but maybe, added in other locations that are not in the IRC like an attic.
Good eye.. The UPC requires water heaters in seismic zones 3 and 4 to be anchored or strapped to resist horizontal displacement due to earthquake motion. This location was in a zone 1. That will be in my inspection of the water heater.
HSR,you are correct that is an appliance connector and not csst. If it were yellow csst she would then be dealing with bonding to the electrical panel's grounding rod.👍🛠
I'm leaving teaching public school after 16 years and becoming a home inspector. Your videos have been super helpful. Thank you!
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@@internachi16 years of school? Why did it take so long ?
Great video, thanks, perfect comments. I just became a CPI, learning a lot from your videos, empowering women into this path.
Glad it was helpful!
I agree with Phil and also I would like to add that the gas MUST make a 90 degree turn into the appliance so that gravity can catch any condensate or debris and drop into the sediment trap. Theres no turn at this trap where gravity would properly cause debris or condensate to collect in the trap. It’s improper installation
Michael, I noticed the same thing 👍, I call that orientation of the sediment trap / drip leg.
Good catch.
Nice.
Great video Empowered Home Inspections and InterNACHI! Really like the walk through and sequence of proper function of the unit.
Thanks! Jacob is a talented videographer.
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Knowledgeable and beautiful lady. Good job 👍
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I learn so much in a short 20 minutes from you
She's a great inspector.
Cracks on the hot surface igniter will usually cause a no gas/flame condition.
Right.
Why didn’t you call out the sediment leg on the wrong side of the appliance fuel shutoff valve?
Good question. I look for the presence of the drip leg to be installed at any low point on the piping, not necessarily before or after the shut off valve. I will do more research and adjust my inspections accordingly. Thanks for the question.
Phil,it is preferred the shut-off valve proceed the drip leg but per the National Fuel code I do not believe it is required unless they made some recent changes but the drip leg is still installed wrong ,it's at the wrong orientation ( very little debris would be caught a
In it's present orientation).👍🛠
Section G2419.3 in the 2018 IRC states the drip is to be readily accessible to permit cleansing or emptying and not subject to freezing. If it is installed prior to the appliance shutoff you would need to shutoff the main fuel shutoff to drain it. I guess that is acceptable by code just not very convenient. However G 2419.4 in the 2018 IRC states where a sediment trap is not incorporated as part of the appliance one must be installed downstream of the appliance shutoff valve. A sediment leg is meant to catch sediment and forces gas to change direction. A drip leg is meant to catch condensation and may also catch sediment, however a drip leg does not need to be located in a manner to force the gas to change direction.
@@phillatshaw7219 , consumer Natural Gas is considered dry gas by today's standards. When I started working for the natural gas utility industry back in 1983 the gas wasn't purified and as clean as today's gas. That being said horizontal drip legs are becoming something of a dinosaur . Occasionally some utilities put them on the outlet of the gas meter in areas with warm climates but in my opinion the chances of collecting water nowadays would be rare. Sediment traps ( Direction changing ) are required for all stationary gas appliances and equipment/ I believe by all manufacturers ( the exclusion would be gas dryers,gas ranges ,cooktops, gaslights, decorative gas logs and grills). Some states and municipalities prohibit the use of sediment traps on outdoor equipment subject to freezing temperatures but I feel these states and municipalities are wrong and causing more Danger due to debris and unlikely water entering the gas control ( as a matter of fact Generac generators come with a built-in sediment trap). It's not uncommon for codes such as IRC, NFPA 54
GAMA & the AGA to contradict one another. It's like putting 4 attorneys in the same room and coming up with 5 different opinions. My suggestion is to do whatever your local code enforcement Authority requires.
Good question. Thanks for posting.
Great job I certainly learned somethings there.
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Thanks for posting and all your work to mentor newbies like me! Almost certified! Your videos are very helpful! This is above the visual only standards, as you said, but knowing what a basic inspection (beyond the standards) might entail may be helpful.
Welcome to home inspecting! It is fun and rewarding. When I go beyond the scope of a visual only home inspection, I am (mostly) consistent and I note it in my report.
Thank you.
I'm going to use this for my template comment observations!! EXCELLENT content!!!
One question... is the smoke detector required? I rarely see it.
Thank you, Mrs.Erck!!!
John Grimaldi
CMI and InterNACHI Home Inspector Mentor
Thank you! Glad it is helpful. I check with local building codes for smoke detector requirements as they vary with individual authorities having jurisdiction.
Yep.
Smoke detector requirements are found in the ICC-IRC. You can look up online for the local jurisdiction, I doubt they would have amended them out, but maybe, added in other locations that are not in the IRC like an attic.
I would look at taking a look at the earthquake straps on the water heater. Do they need them in her area?
Good eye.. The UPC requires water heaters in seismic zones 3 and 4 to be anchored or strapped to resist horizontal displacement due to earthquake motion. This location was in a zone 1. That will be in my inspection of the water heater.
Thank you.
Vibration isolators between plenum and furnace or furnace duct? Or is the plenum a part of the duct system 🤷♂️
Correct. Good point.
Furnace doesn't need combustion air because it has the fresh air intake to the burners.
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That is not CSST that is a gas appliance flex supply line.
HSR,you are correct that is an appliance connector and not csst. If it were yellow csst she would then be dealing with bonding to the electrical panel's grounding rod.👍🛠
Right.
Thanks.
A link with the checklist would have been nice.
The checklist is on www.nachi.org/home-inspection-checklist.htm
@@internachiThank you!
What about checking voltage with a multimeter?
That could be done, but it's up to each inspector to exceed the standards of practice.
i think that's standard practice.
Yourl are just looking no instruments? Just notes? Lol This is not an inspection this is someone pointing at things.. "we cant determine that" !? 😅
A home inspection is a visual-only observation.