Gotta love a non vtec Honda motor. B and D series especially. Nothing more tunable more parts and this proves it can be done. High rpms is always where I wanna be. Great Job
@theonly9 " I feel like they polished a turd and they still have a turd only now its a very expensive one." That's because you're ignorant. The amount of torque an engine produces means absolutely jack shit, power is the only number that matters in the numbers game. The shape of the torque curve does matter and this engine seems to be just fine in that respect. This engine has a BMEP of 211 psi, that's NASCAR engine territory. The power to weight ratio of this car is in Dodge Viper territory.
is not vtec but well scream like it. the compression on this motor gotta be high this inspiring me to build something similar for circuit power band is there sounds amazing great job
Stock block puts out like 140hp to the crank and he is putting 210 to the wheels here guys. NA!!! That's like 250 to the crank. Double his stock numbers.
@theonly9 You can check out my channel description for the math behind that. Honda engines are some of the most dependable engines in the world. The owner of ENDYN drove a 487 hp D-series (!) powered Civic for years before swapping that engine for the B-series engine I mentioned before. Google: Hot Rod Magazine Larry Widmer Civic
200hp is a big deal for these because daily drivers are usially bigger slower cars that require 200hp just to get it moving, but 200hp is hard to achieve for our 1.6, and 1.8's with no turbo, and put into a light honda chassis makes it a rocket
Tomas Martinez I like the 2zz but everything that had the 2zz was a special/gt model, it was made for a spirited driver, the Honda motors like the B18a1/b1 weren’t made for power or a special model it was made for a Daily, no offense but it’s not really a great comparison, the b18c5 and the 2zz are though!
@@tomasmartinez7349 To add to what the guy above me said, the 2ZZ isn't comparable to the B18B1. The K20 and K24 were developed at the same time as the 2ZZ, and 300HP for a street car NA out of those is the new norm.
@theonly9 BMEP is basically torque/liter. It's really much more useful for performance comparisons than hp/L. None of the engines that I'm talking about are boosted. Boosted B-series engine can get up near the 1000 hp mark in drag racing applications. The K-series engines are starting to get into those numbers as well. Take a look at my videos, you can see what a full interior, K-series powered Civic can do. And no, a 250 hp, 600 lb-ft engine would be no better than a 250 hp, 200 lb-ft engine.
@Warblade118 I see your point. However, a supercharger is always forcing some degree of air into an engine, the reason why compared to turbo's they are much less fuel efficient in everyday driving. I've owned and worked on both Turbo and N/A engines and I can say without a doubt, N/A go harder for longer, are more reliable and are less prone to failure (ceteris parabis; of course).
@pileofrd1 that's at the wheels... that's almost 200 flat across at the crank with more than 240 bhp-if that's en EG6 chassis then it's nothing to LOL about... that's at LEAST and 11 second beast!
@Warblade118 This creates higher cylinder pressures (MUCH higher dynamic(effective) compression than an equivalent N/A engine) resulting in much higher cylinder pressure. If a car is built for a turbo they can be ok, but forced induction will never be as reliable as Naturally Aspirated (ceteris parabis; all other things equal) again, simple logic. I do appreciate your respectable and dignified response though, compared to most TH-cam users.
this is the reason why i dropped a ls into my eg hatch im sick of everyone talking about vtec i want pure power out of my honda engine this makes me proud to say i have a ls not to mention i just smoked my friends jdm b16 :) lol
@theonly9 The tuning isn't even right and this 1.8 liter engine is making 211 WHEEL hp. That's probably over 250 hp at the flywheel, which is almost 140 hp/L. That's pretty damn amazing!
@Warblade118 Also referring back to the stress, I was talking about a car similar to the one in this video that is purpose built. Not daily driving... Stress levels during hard driving. Even so, Turbo/Supercharged engines have a much lower life expectancy than N/A even when considering driving pattern change. Also your idea about n2o... lol... you can't be serious. I'm a believer in real power (below 100% VE). :-D. Although nothing beats the whine of a s/c.
@Warblade118 When I was talking about peaky I was referring to a turbocharger, and when I said "poor man's" I'm not referring to someone like yourself that is supercharging a V8. I don't like the idea of Forced Induction on small motors. I'll admit that I'm bias because I've owned Turbo cars and cannot stand them. I definitely get your point about the S/C on idle/low rpm, this however is not how an engineer explained it to me. Contrary to what my common sense was telling me.
@theonly9 Anyway, ENDYN took the B-series about as far as it could go: 2 liters, 318 hp, 247 psi BMEP, 80% of peak torque from 2700 to 9800 rpm, 120% VE, on pump gas and it met Texas state emissions requirements. But, the B-series is old news, tuners are getting even better numbers out of the K-series engines.
fuk yea its engine response that's y it shifts up and down qwik updraded internals and balanced plus individual throttlebodies badass nice build man keep it up
@Warblade118 I see turbo's/superchargers as a "poor man's" method of obtaining power. Excluding the greater fuel efficiency on highway/low load & production costs, there are absolutely no benefits to Forced Induction compared to N/A (Same HP/Torque) rather the opposite. Less reliable, power isn't linear, torque band is always more narrow etc. Anything that pushes the volumetric efficiency past 100% will be stressed greater in most situations. Common sense, simple physics.
@pileofrd1 I'm not a "kid" either... but hey, I own up to my mistakes and I know when something is impressive. if that gets a laugh out of you-so be it. I'm not a Honda fan boy, but I do have greater respect for smaller engines no matter what anyone says or does... I will always think they're amazing.
@sebaureo there is no such thing as rice vs muscle, i have an integra and i can appreciate all cars. especially the lingenfelter vettes. anyone who is into cars can appreciate them all... Amen brohter ! !
@idontcare80 I think I'm just more about building dependable power instead of trying to squeeze power out at the expense of longevity. What was the torque though?
@idontcare80 True anytime you achieve 2 hp per cubic inch you are doing something right, I spoke to soon, but the power curve probably looks like junk with all the hp peak around 8500 rpm and the tq numbers probably reach a whooping 120 around 2000 rpm and then it rapidly falls off. If this was built for racing, depending on its class it won't be very competitive which is a shame. I feel like they polished a turd and they still have a turd only now its a very expensive one.
@Warblade118 If you scaled this engine up to be of equivalent displacement, it too would have an output of close to 1000hp. Did you notice that it revs to 17000 rpm? That F1 territory... You're silly V8 would cry for mercy before it got anywhere near that limit.
an intentado usar trompetas mas cortas? esas lucen demaciado largas para 9k, por eso es que la graphica del dyno sube y baja. tambien jueguen con el largo de los headers.
lei bien?? decia chile cierto?? quiero hacerte una pregunta, es que quiero saber mas o menos cuesta dejar un auto asi, digo en plata y sacarle buena potencia al motor, yo adoro esa clase de hondas y por eso te pregunto
@Warblade118 Greater stress because it rev's high? This engine has been built for high rpm's. If you know anything about cars you would know that forced induction is the greatest way you can stress an engine. N20.. are you joking? N2o puts more stress and also power delivery would be VERY inconsistent and don't even start on reliability (that goes for turbo's too). The point is this car will make 211whp all day everyday. The power delivery is consistent and is much more suited to track work.
@pileofrd1 continue with the math there and you wind up with 155-165 at the crank. of course that isn't anywhere near the number I said, it was a quick guess and I wasn't correct, but nevertheless that kind of torque again flat across at the crank is a damn good number. I'm no dumbass-I may have goofed on estimating, but a torque curve that flat is nothing to LOL about considering.
Nice I have an B18A1 non vtec all motor in my 92 Integra fun cars, Just got it a month ago guy said there is a D16 trans in it I know it ripps gonna try to make it a Circuit track car for Mid Ohio raceway
@idontcare80 For a purely speed focused car torque might not matter much but torque matter its a common misconception that all you need is h.p. it is almost as common as the fallacy that boost psi means power, no a gt25 at 25 psi moves far less cubic feet than an hx30 at 25psi any if i built a motor with 250hp and 600ft lbs with the same weight it would eat that car all day long. And the weight ratio was achieved by removing every creature comfort and body panels. .
@Warblade118 I apologize but I simply cannot follow your logic. Higher static compression when comparing forced induction to naturally aspirated engines means almost absolutely nothing. A turbo(or s/c) forces air into the cylinder to burn more fuel, creating more torque. This effectively raises the Volumetric Efficiency above 100%. A naturally aspirated engine regardless of static compression will NEVER go over 100%, it's simple physics.
@pileofrd1 well since we're slinging the word "dumbass" around, maybe you ought to check yourself... I never wrote "flat across the crank" I wrote: "flat across at the crank"... meaning-and anyone who knows anything about dynos and thusly cars will agree-the car puts out 200 ft'lbs of torque over a very broad spectrum of the powerband. if you don't believe that, (and if you can) figure 15-20% parasitic loss via an algebra problem x-.15x=132 or whatever the number was, you wind up with .85x=132
what parts you installed to make 211 to the wheels? i have a b18b nonvtec as well. have dc sports headers, aem short ram intake and thats about it. please lmk, k thanks
would anyone be able to tell me what ITBs those are? and if there were different components needed to make it fit. I've found the obx ITBs for my ls but this ones trumpets are much bigger
I call bullshit on this post, I have not only seen a stock ls block hold 9k but I have seen one hold 28 psi, if you want to go bigger then go with a dart b18 race prep block, they will hold 15k all day long, not the guts but the block will
To spell it out, you could spend thousands (like the video and put down 200hp) Or for a mere fraction of that you can do forced induction and have much more power without hurting the wallet as bad.
i think people who dont know anything about building a motor hate on builds like this.. Especially those who dont know about 4 bangers, until they get slammed by one.
Gotta love a non vtec Honda motor. B and D series especially. Nothing more tunable more parts and this proves it can be done. High rpms is always where I wanna be. Great Job
@theonly9 " I feel like they polished a turd and they still have a turd only now its a very expensive one."
That's because you're ignorant. The amount of torque an engine produces means absolutely jack shit, power is the only number that matters in the numbers game. The shape of the torque curve does matter and this engine seems to be just fine in that respect.
This engine has a BMEP of 211 psi, that's NASCAR engine territory. The power to weight ratio of this car is in Dodge Viper territory.
is not vtec but well scream like it. the compression on this motor gotta be high this inspiring me to build something similar for circuit power band is there sounds amazing great job
Stock block puts out like 140hp to the crank and he is putting 210 to the wheels here guys. NA!!! That's like 250 to the crank. Double his stock numbers.
@theonly9 You can check out my channel description for the math behind that.
Honda engines are some of the most dependable engines in the world. The owner of ENDYN drove a 487 hp D-series (!) powered Civic for years before swapping that engine for the B-series engine I mentioned before.
Google: Hot Rod Magazine Larry Widmer Civic
200hp is a big deal for these because daily drivers are usially bigger slower cars that require 200hp just to get it moving, but 200hp is hard to achieve for our 1.6, and 1.8's with no turbo, and put into a light honda chassis makes it a rocket
SupramanTRD , might be hard for you but not for Toyota YAMAHA , and I make 200 HP on my 2ZZGE MOTOR . VERY IMPRESSIVE NUMBERS FOR AN ASPIRATED MOTOR .
Tomas Martinez I like the 2zz but everything that had the 2zz was a special/gt model, it was made for a spirited driver, the Honda motors like the B18a1/b1 weren’t made for power or a special model it was made for a Daily, no offense but it’s not really a great comparison, the b18c5 and the 2zz are though!
@@tomasmartinez7349 To add to what the guy above me said, the 2ZZ isn't comparable to the B18B1. The K20 and K24 were developed at the same time as the 2ZZ, and 300HP for a street car NA out of those is the new norm.
@theonly9 BMEP is basically torque/liter. It's really much more useful for performance comparisons than hp/L. None of the engines that I'm talking about are boosted. Boosted B-series engine can get up near the 1000 hp mark in drag racing applications. The K-series engines are starting to get into those numbers as well. Take a look at my videos, you can see what a full interior, K-series powered Civic can do. And no, a 250 hp, 600 lb-ft engine would be no better than a 250 hp, 200 lb-ft engine.
@Warblade118 I see your point. However, a supercharger is always forcing some degree of air into an engine, the reason why compared to turbo's they are much less fuel efficient in everyday driving. I've owned and worked on both Turbo and N/A engines and I can say without a doubt, N/A go harder for longer, are more reliable and are less prone to failure (ceteris parabis; of course).
@pileofrd1 that's at the wheels... that's almost 200 flat across at the crank with more than 240 bhp-if that's en EG6 chassis then it's nothing to LOL about... that's at LEAST and 11 second beast!
That type-r 3rd & 4th gear 👍👍
@Warblade118 This creates higher cylinder pressures (MUCH higher dynamic(effective) compression than an equivalent N/A engine) resulting in much higher cylinder pressure. If a car is built for a turbo they can be ok, but forced induction will never be as reliable as Naturally Aspirated (ceteris parabis; all other things equal) again, simple logic. I do appreciate your respectable and dignified response though, compared to most TH-cam users.
I'm a domestic guy... but DAMN !! I would get a beast like this anytime. Mad props.
this is the reason why i dropped a ls into my eg hatch im sick of everyone talking about vtec i want pure power out of my honda engine this makes me proud to say i have a ls not to mention i just smoked my friends jdm b16 :) lol
Holy shit! Sounds beasty, I need to do that to my B18b 🖒
@theonly9 The tuning isn't even right and this 1.8 liter engine is making 211 WHEEL hp. That's probably over 250 hp at the flywheel, which is almost 140 hp/L. That's pretty damn amazing!
211hp with0ut VTEC br0!! big salute f0r tis mean machine
Heaven is at 1:10
@Warblade118 Also referring back to the stress, I was talking about a car similar to the one in this video that is purpose built. Not daily driving... Stress levels during hard driving. Even so, Turbo/Supercharged engines have a much lower life expectancy than N/A even when considering driving pattern change. Also your idea about n2o... lol... you can't be serious. I'm a believer in real power (below 100% VE). :-D. Although nothing beats the whine of a s/c.
because it has a lower compression so you can turbocharge it more easily, usually leading to something faster than a GSR when you are on a budget
I want to know your secret of how to prevent rockers from flying off at hi rpm
Antonio Hernandez ARP head bolts my guy
does arp make fasteners for these ball in socket rockers?
Gotta love that. !!!!! Keep up the great work man!!!! Made me want to go drive my car!
god i can watch this all day long lol i wish it was longer
@Warblade118 When I was talking about peaky I was referring to a turbocharger, and when I said "poor man's" I'm not referring to someone like yourself that is supercharging a V8. I don't like the idea of Forced Induction on small motors. I'll admit that I'm bias because I've owned Turbo cars and cannot stand them. I definitely get your point about the S/C on idle/low rpm, this however is not how an engineer explained it to me. Contrary to what my common sense was telling me.
@theonly9 Anyway, ENDYN took the B-series about as far as it could go: 2 liters, 318 hp, 247 psi BMEP, 80% of peak torque from 2700 to 9800 rpm, 120% VE, on pump gas and it met Texas state emissions requirements. But, the B-series is old news, tuners are getting even better numbers out of the K-series engines.
Any more videos on this build/car?
i dont think its a stock block. looks and sounds pretty good build motor.
non vtec just kicked in yo
fuk yea its engine response that's y it shifts up and down qwik updraded internals and balanced plus individual throttlebodies badass nice build man keep it up
@Warblade118 only old people are into those cars. as impressive as that might be we have no interest what so ever over it.
Nice built, close gears indeed, specially 2nd to 3rd (RPM just a descent of 1K RPM).
Application/goal of this car...?
Best
@Warblade118 I see turbo's/superchargers as a "poor man's" method of obtaining power. Excluding the greater fuel efficiency on highway/low load & production costs, there are absolutely no benefits to Forced Induction compared to N/A (Same HP/Torque) rather the opposite. Less reliable, power isn't linear, torque band is always more narrow etc. Anything that pushes the volumetric efficiency past 100% will be stressed greater in most situations. Common sense, simple physics.
@pileofrd1 I'm not a "kid" either... but hey, I own up to my mistakes and I know when something is impressive. if that gets a laugh out of you-so be it. I'm not a Honda fan boy, but I do have greater respect for smaller engines no matter what anyone says or does... I will always think they're amazing.
@sebaureo there is no such thing as rice vs muscle, i have an integra and i can appreciate all cars. especially the lingenfelter vettes. anyone who is into cars can appreciate them all...
Amen brohter ! !
@sharky322 sorry. i know it is a LS. not sure what you call that. tappet? these thing usually fail on ls valvetrain.
132 ft lbs lol..
sounds sick going through the RPMs
@alomechanthasinh The whole point it to make big power WITHOUT Vtec. A b16 head would sort of ruin that, dont ya think?
this shit the truth...motivated me to keep my b18b non-vtec...gud shyt
@sebaureo anyone who is into cars can appreciate them all... Amen Bro !
sounds incredible
Sounds amazing!
Yup !
@ericsiewkk it doesnt have rocker arms, Its DOHC.
@idontcare80 I think I'm just more about building dependable power instead of trying to squeeze power out at the expense of longevity. What was the torque though?
what is done to the head
@HIMfan0 really I did not know this.... can you tell me more...
can you give a rough estimate of headflow #s at how many inches and @ what lift? even a ballpark would be nice.....
@idontcare80 True anytime you achieve 2 hp per cubic inch you are doing something right, I spoke to soon, but the power curve probably looks like junk with all the hp peak around 8500 rpm and the tq numbers probably reach a whooping 120 around 2000 rpm and then it rapidly falls off. If this was built for racing, depending on its class it won't be very competitive which is a shame. I feel like they polished a turd and they still have a turd only now its a very expensive one.
@Warblade118 If you scaled this engine up to be of equivalent displacement, it too would have an output of close to 1000hp. Did you notice that it revs to 17000 rpm? That F1 territory...
You're silly V8 would cry for mercy before it got anywhere near that limit.
Wow....Sick numbers!! Great job!!! Sounds fucking sick too!
an intentado usar trompetas mas cortas? esas lucen demaciado largas para 9k, por eso es que la graphica del dyno sube y baja. tambien jueguen con el largo de los headers.
does that thing have like no flywheel, holy shit that goes up and down quick!
That sounds insane
What does the tachometer say about it rpm level....it over 9,000!!!!
Wow Love that car!!!
lei bien?? decia chile cierto?? quiero hacerte una pregunta, es que quiero saber mas o menos cuesta dejar un auto asi, digo en plata y sacarle buena potencia al motor, yo adoro esa clase de hondas y por eso te pregunto
@Warblade118 Greater stress because it rev's high? This engine has been built for high rpm's. If you know anything about cars you would know that forced induction is the greatest way you can stress an engine. N20.. are you joking? N2o puts more stress and also power delivery would be VERY inconsistent and don't even start on reliability (that goes for turbo's too).
The point is this car will make 211whp all day everyday. The power delivery is consistent and is much more suited to track work.
@pileofrd1 continue with the math there and you wind up with 155-165 at the crank. of course that isn't anywhere near the number I said, it was a quick guess and I wasn't correct, but nevertheless that kind of torque again flat across at the crank is a damn good number. I'm no dumbass-I may have goofed on estimating, but a torque curve that flat is nothing to LOL about considering.
major headwork
@ofsoundminds Rods will bend. Nice build btw.
Nice I have an B18A1 non vtec all motor in my 92 Integra fun cars, Just got it a month ago guy said there is a D16 trans in it I know it ripps gonna try to make it a Circuit track car for Mid Ohio raceway
how would you fit a d16 trans onto a b series motor?? even if you could that makes no sense it would be a downgrade in comparison to the motor.
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1/4 mile is good I want a diff 5th gear for sure
@idontcare80 For a purely speed focused car torque might not matter much but torque matter its a common misconception that all you need is h.p. it is almost as common as the fallacy that boost psi means power, no a gt25 at 25 psi moves far less cubic feet than an hx30 at 25psi any if i built a motor with 250hp and 600ft lbs with the same weight it would eat that car all day long. And the weight ratio was achieved by removing every creature comfort and body panels. .
haha, still idles at 800 rpm. cams must not be too big...
fkin insane. love it
@Warblade118 I apologize but I simply cannot follow your logic. Higher static compression when comparing forced induction to naturally aspirated engines means almost absolutely nothing. A turbo(or s/c) forces air into the cylinder to burn more fuel, creating more torque. This effectively raises the Volumetric Efficiency above 100%. A naturally aspirated engine regardless of static compression will NEVER go over 100%, it's simple physics.
sounds like he got vtec to but it could just be the echo from being in the garage on the dyno
hennessy viper crazy cams, basically vtec all the time
@pileofrd1 well since we're slinging the word "dumbass" around, maybe you ought to check yourself... I never wrote "flat across the crank" I wrote: "flat across at the crank"... meaning-and anyone who knows anything about dynos and thusly cars will agree-the car puts out 200 ft'lbs of torque over a very broad spectrum of the powerband. if you don't believe that, (and if you can) figure 15-20% parasitic loss via an algebra problem x-.15x=132 or whatever the number was, you wind up with .85x=132
@taylor menezes
What part would make me think it isnt stock ls block?
what parts you installed to make 211 to the wheels? i have a b18b nonvtec as well. have dc sports headers, aem short ram intake and thats about it. please lmk, k thanks
I need a non vtec map that goes up to 9000 as well. it flatlines at 8000
would anyone be able to tell me what ITBs those are? and if there were different components needed to make it fit. I've found the obx ITBs for my ls but this ones trumpets are much bigger
What is done to the motor he do I get high revs like that
it's non vtec but your cam lobe is probably as agressive as the vtec cam lobe... so its like you're on vtec the whole time
I call bullshit on this post, I have not only seen a stock ls block hold 9k but I have seen one hold 28 psi, if you want to go bigger then go with a dart b18 race prep block, they will hold 15k all day long, not the guts but the block will
i love those ratios. what is the combo?
lol, love the third gear :))
RAW B18b!
how much would something like this cost, excluding the cost of the car?
Not sure if want
What kind of throttle body is that I forgot the name
Idk why, but I am unimpressed at those torque numbers. What is done to this thing besides the ITB's.
. What's the best non VTEC engine setup? I heard the b20b w/B16 vtec head& NOn vtec cams.
B20v lock vtec good to go 9500 all day roller rockers will smack you to 10k easy
Thats insane !! ;)
What transmission set up?????
My built block stock head b18a1 with nitrous puts down higher numbers. But great build though.
Uh, probably because you run nitrous?
Just proving that N/A ls for Numbers isn't worth it..... (missed the point much?)
That makes no sense.
I agree with him, that made no sense.
To spell it out, you could spend thousands (like the video and put down 200hp) Or for a mere fraction of that you can do forced induction and have much more power without hurting the wallet as bad.
Alot of internal upgrades and ITB's
@usernameladiesman227 lol with a turbo or nos MAYBE.
i want some itb's for my b20!
@MrJoelAlonso LS NON VTEC...LOOK AT THE CYLINDER HEAD LOL
@ericsiewkk English is not my main language so i really dunno .. But we both know what we mean :D I think dohc is more reliable than sohc.
i have a 191hp with 404 ft lbs cummins. about to get p-pumped.
Only 132 ft/lb or torque? I was expecting a little more...
more videos!!!
dat sound!
yo wut trans is that that fuckn 3rd is a beasttt
can someone explain what the hell an ls is? and what an ls vtec is?
Where I can get those ITBs, please, ive been searching for my B18b with no luck!!!
I have itbs for sell off a cbr 1000
@JetStreet i know that but, year etc.
Es un B18A?
i think people who dont know anything about building a motor hate on builds like this.. Especially those who dont know about 4 bangers, until they get slammed by one.
how do you make the rocker arm handle those rpm?
Crazyyy