Edit here: I mentioned that the 20% base debuff of Vulnerable can be increased, worded it a bit odd in the video. Applying Vulnerable will always be a 20% debuff, but you can get affixes that increase the damage you deal to Vulnerable enemies, which is what I meant. Overpower is also a damage bucket, but it ADDS to your total damage after all the other buckets have been multiplied together. Overpower is only going to help you if you have an easy way to proc it reliably. Lastly, your Base Damage is your weapon DPS times your individual Skill's damage. This Base Damage is also multiplied to the buckets and where the damage calculation begins, so your weapon is very important to your overall damage output.
@@hbtan9841y takeaway from this video is that you should not focus on any one bucket, but instead try to get some bonuses in all of them (or at least as many as you can). So yes, get some overpower going, but also go for stats in the other buckets. It seems like the way to get those insane damage numbers going.
@@Pixelsoep I hear your point. I guess I was wondering whether I should say, assuming I already have 50% vulnerable, should I go for +50% vulnerable or +50% overpower? Which would be more effective?
Hey mate, very nice explanation for the overall mechanics and the dmg buckets. But I think your math is wrong there. If you multiply percentages you always take the whole percentage, so for 3% that is 103% overall dmg. So 1,03 in "natural numbers" (sry english is not my native language) and multiply it with the other stats. So your calculation would be 1,03 x 1,04 x 1,03 x 1,03 x 1,03 = 1,17 or 117% of your base dmg. If your calculation method would be correct, the dmg would be absurd with realistic numbers. Lets say the buckets would be 80% x 250% x 100% x 150% x 80%, that would mean 24 billion times the base dmg (which is almost 3k weapon dmg for me). So my average dmg would be smth. like 72 trillion. But the acutal calculation would be 1,8 x 3,5 x 2 x 2,5 x 1,8 = 56,7. Multiply that with the base dmg of 3k = 170k dmg.
You are correct, the math was wrong. The first example should have been 1.02 x 1.09 x 1.02 x 1.02 x 1.01 = 1.168 or 116.8% of base damage. Not much of a difference when using these small numbers, but the difference grows as the percentages get higher. If the example had been 20/90/20/20/10 to 30/40/30/30/30, the damage increase would go from about 360% base damage to about 400% base damage. (1.2 x 1.9 x 1.2 x 1.2 x 1.1 vs 1.3 x 1.4 x 1.3 x 1.3 x 1.3)
@@blackguy1811I didn't say anything about these specific numbers, it is about the calculation. So perhaps you pay attention, dimwit. If I would take that calculation method I'd have dmg in the trillions with every hit.
Great video and I love the visualizations, but the Math at 5:30 is incorrect. Instead of 9*2*2*2*1 = 72, it should be 1.09*1.02*1.02*1.02*1.01 = 1.168 for a 16.8% bonus.
Sorry guy, but your calculation is wrong, 9%x2%x2%x2% is not 72%, the calculation is 100 (your base damage) x 1,09 x 1,02 x 1,02 x 1,02 x 1,01 which equals 116,82 not 172, nevertheless 100 x 1,04 x1,03 x 1,03 x 1,03 x 1,03 is still better, as it reaches 117,05 but by far not by the numbers you gave
his example was in laymen, so really +900%, +200%, etc; making the math 10*3*3 etc. actual numbers of lvl 100 chars is stuff like: 1.8*1.6*2.2*8.2*1.9 all of that just walking in town and before legendary affixes are added in. his example checks out.
@@pastafarian7 the results are what matter. go do the math yourself and see that regardless of his representation, the math checks out. aka, go do an actual calculation of your dps with using buckets correctly and all the other research him and I and others have done that gets you the result of... spread your stats. yes, the final results are of magnitudes of 10 times more damage, not the 3% garbage you implied.
The fact you could explain this well enough for me to understand is great work. I usually just clear the campaign and equip "numbers go up" items. This seems simple enough for me to care a little lol. Thanks.
Ive played all the diablos before, and watched a few videos on this already. this was by far the best, clearest and concise explanation ive seen, kudos man great job! shared with friends!
I had to stop the video, because your math is WAY WAY off, like, insanely off. First, I'll start with the obvious, at around 5:25 you are multiplying these numbers which is wrong, but also you multiply by 1. I'll say it again to let it sink in, you multiplied, by 1... OK so to move on, you can't simply multiply the numbers to begin with, that's not how it works, because they are % increases. If you multiply by 3, that's tripling your original number, or a 200% increase. You might be confused as to why not 300%, and this is because it's an "increase by" and not an "increase to", so you take 200% of your number, say 100, and ADD that on top of the original. So 200% of 100 is 200, add that to the base = 300. Now that that part is out of the way let's get into what your examples would actually come out to. And don't get me wrong, you have the right concept, you're just grossly miscalculating it. In your first example, the total is actually a 16.83% increase, NOT 72%. In your 2nd part it goes up to a 17.05% increase, NOT 324%. Side note, if you really want to use multiplication instead of simply adding the % (which most calculators can do and is easier). Then to calculate a 2% increase, you need to multiply by 1.02.
Thank you for this. I had some damage to my brain recently and information is difficult to take in. I have always loved arpg's but have been struggling of late due to my brain damage. The way that you explained this was perfect and so easy to take in. Thank you so much!
Finally I understand this concept,I was not suffering for not knowing it but now I can focus on increasing more the dps output as much as I can with this new knowledge. Thanks for this good explanation 🤘🏻
Just to point out: The item power of the weapon effects the percentage power of your bucket affixes...Same with Jewlery.. And stacking multiple hit statuses to getting a boss staggering with ice, fire, cold, lightning, etc etc... Will greatly increase damage against boss... Thanks for the simple explanation.. Would have loved a training (dojo) room like NIOH2 to test damage..
I have never watched any of your stuff. I took a chance on this video and holy shit it’s phenomenal. Straight to the point, easy to understand, and nice examples. I’m subbing right now!
I don't know if this was mentioned in the comments anywhere, but I don't see it on the spreadsheet or in the video anywhere, overpower damage is completely separate from the buckets. So the way you described is one "pool" of buckets. Overpower damage is another pool of buckets, and I believe poison damage is also another "pool" of buckets as well. The buckets are multiplicative, the pools are additive.
Very nice, I've been doing good in the dmg department but seeing this explained into buckets has been very useful seeing the manipulation of numbers spread across each bucket
Your multiplication example just doesn't make sense imho. It should be 1.03 x1.03 x 1.04 ... Not 3x3x4. If it is not, it would make sense to clarify why.
The game should color code or list this sort of stuff in the game. If it's going to be important it shouldn't have been something people had to research and theorize in a spreadsheet.
the math is so wrong, a 2% increase in each bucket is x 1.02, not x 2, its 2% not 200%. by your math i would be doing damage in the billions with 300% in both vul and crit damage which is easily obtainable on barb what a misleading video
I've watched lots of video guides for my build and diablo in general, but this popped into my feed today and it's the first I've ever heard of damage stacking. So thanks much for the informative video!
Dude great video. This is by far the easiest video to understand on damage buckets. It has actually enabled me to see my gear in a whole new light. I greet you specially JarrodLoots.
Literally 2 simple fixes Blizzard could (should) implement to fix incinerate. 1) Flamescar is now a staff instead of a wand. Higher yield on stats and damage. 2) allow incinerate damage to crit and give it a bit more lucky hit% (currently 16% base compared to Blizzards 54% base). The fact it can't crit at all makes incinerate lose an entire bucket. They could also make DOT dmg share the bucket with crit instead to help. It's insane they're not bright enough to come with these solutions on their own.
So the math is terribly wrong and also you put the [x] into ONE single bucket as if they all add-up into one single bucket THIS IS WRONG. you must take the [x] as if they were all individual bucket.
6:03 I know you said, don’t focus on “exact numbers” but I have to say something because someone’s going to see and hear what you just said and absorb some very bad math. A 3%, 4%, 3%, 3% & 3% increase in each bucket =! 324% increase my dude. It’s a 17% increase. Remember, you’re dealing with percentages, not whole numbers. For example, using 100 as our base damage: 100*1.03*1.04*1.03*1.03*1.03=117.
Very good loved how u didn’t use any items from game as examples or really any actual numbers as blizzard made it to be confusing so referencing there gear to explain it defeats the purpose
My bet is most players have no idea. It's an odd system that a lot of people don't really like because it forces you to use crits and vulnerable and everything basically. But my bet is this gets changed as time goes on to allow for more freedom of choice. Kinda like how they are already working on changing elemental resistances and armor.
Yup. I'm a newer casual Rogue player running poison/twisting blades. Right now I'm like level 45 and just starting to get some better gear. This is going to help me out immensely. I've got so much damage rolled into poison and vulnerable but my crit damage is really low still.
@@ItachiUchiha-yz5nn Yeah I went through into low 50's before diving into damage stacking "correctly." I was all in on Poison damage for Druid and wasn't using vulnerable or crits at all. As soon as I started including those, damage really skyrocketed. Glad I could help!
Bro, thank you for this video. Now I know what I need to pick up and what I can throw away. Because i'm new to diablo and I was confused On how to become stronger. Again, A1 video.
Hands down the best explanation of damage buckets I have seen you sir deserve a salute. And also you just gained a new sub or two. Gonna make sure my pops checks this out 🤜🏽🤛🏽💯🔥
Would love if you could break down attack speed buffs. From what I can tell, it seems like flat +attack speed either is capped or gives very diminished returns, whereas conditional buffs really go much further, but may also be capped as well 🤷♂️
Interesting. I can look into this. I personally have super low attack speed on my Druid so haven't messed around with attack speed too much but I can see what's being said online.
Nicely explained, except for the math examples. You can add the percentages of each bucket up, but when you do multiplication to percentages you have to convert it to a number first, so + 3 % would be 1.03, +60% would be 1.6 when you get to multiplying the buckets together.
If you watch my latest video, you can use the timestamps to go to the damage bucket part where I tried to explain the new system. But yeah as soon as the season starts I want to do another dedicated guide on the changed system.
Very good explanation, thank you. I've watched maybe 6 different videos on this and they couldn't simplify it as well as you did. Thanks! (Edit: Lol I post and see I'm like the 100th person to say it. You know you did good when...)
You didnt do the math correctly. You dont just mutliply times 2 for a 2% increase. The math goes times 1,02 because the increase is by 102%. With your stats i got 16,8% increase in damage. With your way the 1% increase doesnt even do anything cause you just multiply with 1 which doesnt even do anything. So the Concept of choosing different damage buckets to maximize your damage is correct, but the math is wrong.
How does crit factor into dot based builds. As a shadow necro , their damage are dots. Tooltip shows crits don’t do anything for dots so... Also this is the best explanation I’ve seen on buckets and I’ve watched so many vids.
you should have used "real" numbers, like +10% each to chilled/frozen/x and then spreading it to other buckets, and doing the correct sum or multiplication. My OCD is itching :)
Wouldn’t it be easier if they used different coloured text for the affixes? That way, you would have a quick indicator of the bucket said affix falls into. Trying to remember all of these things off the bat can be quite confusing and daunting. I’m new to the Diablo family but I’m gradually learning things as I play such as, if an item has 4 affixes, I want three of them to be beneficial knowing that I can reroll the last one. This video really helped to understand as I was only speaking about stacking last night with my brother in law
Very good explanation and video! Only part I am still wondering about is the example you used for your weapon and how it hits 4 different buckets on one piece of gear. My question is would you have to use earth skills to get the multiplicative bonus from this affix? I am currently on necro with a bone build and I’ve gotten a few items with like 40% crit damage with shadow skills but don’t use any shadow skills. Would I still want this because of the number (giving my total bucket multiplication a boost) or is it only applicable if you use the actual skill type? (Would gain no multiplication because of not using shadow skills)
example: aspec like Retribution increase 40% (x) dmg to Stunned , its not bucket 5 , it multiply dmg to Stunned in bucket DMG+ first and additives with other in bucket DMG+
Although Damage to Injured Enemies is considered in the "additive" bucket, which contains like what 10+ types in that bucket, let's say there's 10, that means if you have only 1 and no other 9 in that bucket, then you would only be getting 10% value of whatever the affix gives. So say if an affix says 40% to Damage to Injured Enemies, 10% of that = 4%. Despite spreading out in multiple buckets give better overall numbers, but taking up an affix slot that gives only a fraction vs a stand alone bucket that's gives the whole % of the affix doesn't seem be maxing. However, despite that I opted to use Damage to Injured Enemies on a couple gear pieces, and in while in th Injured Enemies condition, I was doing much more dmg and melting them...making it feel like as if it was a large multiplier, so it's confusing and goes against what I thought I understood the same as what you showed in the video. Can you help clarify this situation?
This probably doesn’t change anything fundamentally for most people, but when buckets are multiplicative like they are in Diablo, I find useful to remind myself that the numbers are still additive… in a log scale. The normal scale of the game is exponential in nature, which is why your damage will go from, say, 4000 to 4,000,000. May seem quite dramatic, but on a log scale, the difference between these two types of damage is in fact not nearly as pronounced. Suddenly there is much less of a “wow” effect. But I’ll say that I personally don’t like exponential scaling in games much. When your damage goes from 4000 to 4,000,000, this begs the question: what is the amount of HP a boss or a trash mob should have?
credibility goes down when you use the word exponential instead of geometric when discussing growth. exponential is a whole other level that is definitely not present in diablo.
@@suikodin2501 lol this proves you’re stupid I have a PhD in Physics, but I don’t know what exponential is, okay Jan. Now I suppose I should try and say something for once. Suppose you have buckets, one of each with a 100% damage increase. Let’s say those are 8 buckets. Your damage will be multiplied by 2 ^ 8. 8 is the *exponent*, and it is key to characterizing your damage here. Multiplication and exponentiation are intimately related - which is why when you take the log of products, it becomes additive.
I'm sorry to say but your math off. You can't simply multiply % together to get your answer. Each % is a +%. What is that percent adding to? Well 100%. So in your first example of 2%, 9%, 2%, 2%, 1%. The math is 102% times 109% times 102% times 102% times 101%. What you type in the calculator is 1.02 * 1.09 * 1.02 * 1.02 * 1.01 which comes out to 116.82%. Which equates to a +16.82% total damage increase. In your second example with 3%, 4%, 3%, 3%, 3% the math is 1.03 * 1.04 * 1.03 * 1.03 * 1.03 = 1.1705 which is +17.05%. By moving your stats around you get +0.23% extra damage. Another way to quickly know your way of calculating is incorrect is if you don't add any modifers to one bucket (0%) you would get 0% as the total damage added regardless of what you add in other buckets.
wtf. 2% x 9% x 2% x 2% doesn't equal 72%. But 2x9x2x2 does. No wonder this game makes no sense. You multiple the bonuses, not your damage? So 100 base dmg isnt 100x1.02x1.09x1.02x1.02 which would make sense and be easy to follow and calculate.. instead its whole number damage multipliers added together in their buckets, multiplied together, and then reverted back to a percentage bonus? so its 100x(1+(2x9x2x2)/100)=172... wtf
I just assumed the guy doesnt umderstand how decimal and percentage multiplication works in his example. It doesnt change the bucket concept so doesnt really matter. There is no way the game does this pseudo math internally
yeah he clearly did the multiplication wrong. in fact in his example the first one with the big all dmg bucket is a higher % dmg increase (~18%) than the second one where it was spread out (~17%)
Your math doesn't make sense to me. In the first example of multiplying buckets, you have a 1% affix, which you use to multiply by 1, r net zero increase. A 1% increase should multiply by 1.01.
What’s a better two handed weapon for my Rogue: A) a crossbow with higher base damage, lower crit damage and higher dex or B) a crossbow with lower base damage, higher crit damage, lower dex with added vulnerable damage affix? Not really sure.
Thanks for the video! Quick question. The crit damage shouldn’t be applied only when you crit? The way you explained with the multipliers made me think it applied to base dmg as well
Correct it only applies when you crit. The damage calculation with everything totaled together is just "potential" damage. Crit stuff does not increase your base damage or anything else.
Good vid, but you should also inform people of the great importance of high(item lvl) starting dps from main weapon to the beginning of the calculation, and that a high item lvl with bad damage bucket spread on it is way better than a low item lvl weapon with perfect spread..
Math is wayy off at 5:34. When percentages are multiplicative you multiple the scaling coefficient not an integer. The math should look like this 1.02*1.09*1.02*1.02*1.01 = 1.17. The value you listed as a 72% dmg bonus would be a coefficient like this 1.72.
Overpower is also a damage bucket I found out today, but instead of it multiplying with the other buckets, it just gets added to the total once the other buckets have been multiplied. But I think an update to this video is probably needed due to more info I've gathered today, could touch on damage number colors in that as well.
Edit here: I mentioned that the 20% base debuff of Vulnerable can be increased, worded it a bit odd in the video. Applying Vulnerable will always be a 20% debuff, but you can get affixes that increase the damage you deal to Vulnerable enemies, which is what I meant. Overpower is also a damage bucket, but it ADDS to your total damage after all the other buckets have been multiplied together. Overpower is only going to help you if you have an easy way to proc it reliably. Lastly, your Base Damage is your weapon DPS times your individual Skill's damage. This Base Damage is also multiplied to the buckets and where the damage calculation begins, so your weapon is very important to your overall damage output.
So does the rest of the Vulnerable buffs fall into the 'DMG w/' bucket?
@@Emp6ft10in anything with vulnerable always goes into the vulnerable bucket
Does that mean Overpower is its own separate damage bucket? Would it then make sense to focus on this?
@@hbtan9841y takeaway from this video is that you should not focus on any one bucket, but instead try to get some bonuses in all of them (or at least as many as you can).
So yes, get some overpower going, but also go for stats in the other buckets. It seems like the way to get those insane damage numbers going.
@@Pixelsoep I hear your point. I guess I was wondering whether I should say, assuming I already have 50% vulnerable, should I go for +50% vulnerable or +50% overpower? Which would be more effective?
Hey mate, very nice explanation for the overall mechanics and the dmg buckets.
But I think your math is wrong there. If you multiply percentages you always take the whole percentage, so for 3% that is 103% overall dmg. So 1,03 in "natural numbers" (sry english is not my native language) and multiply it with the other stats. So your calculation would be 1,03 x 1,04 x 1,03 x 1,03 x 1,03 = 1,17 or 117% of your base dmg.
If your calculation method would be correct, the dmg would be absurd with realistic numbers. Lets say the buckets would be 80% x 250% x 100% x 150% x 80%, that would mean 24 billion times the base dmg (which is almost 3k weapon dmg for me). So my average dmg would be smth. like 72 trillion. But the acutal calculation would be 1,8 x 3,5 x 2 x 2,5 x 1,8 = 56,7. Multiply that with the base dmg of 3k = 170k dmg.
You are correct, the math was wrong. The first example should have been 1.02 x 1.09 x 1.02 x 1.02 x 1.01 = 1.168 or 116.8% of base damage. Not much of a difference when using these small numbers, but the difference grows as the percentages get higher.
If the example had been 20/90/20/20/10 to 30/40/30/30/30, the damage increase would go from about 360% base damage to about 400% base damage.
(1.2 x 1.9 x 1.2 x 1.2 x 1.1 vs 1.3 x 1.4 x 1.3 x 1.3 x 1.3)
If you paid attention to the video. He said the numbers don't mean anything implying the math isn't accurate and only for demonstration purposes only.
@@blackguy1811I didn't say anything about these specific numbers, it is about the calculation. So perhaps you pay attention, dimwit. If I would take that calculation method I'd have dmg in the trillions with every hit.
Also it is simple base rules of mathematics. If you multiply percentages you never do 180 x 150, but always 1,8 x 1,5
Best guide on damage buckets, simple and straightforward not like a lot of other videos that make it confusing, nice job
Appreciate it! Yeah I felt like the videos I'd seen were more confusing than they needed to be.
Great video and I love the visualizations, but the Math at 5:30 is incorrect. Instead of 9*2*2*2*1 = 72, it should be 1.09*1.02*1.02*1.02*1.01 = 1.168 for a 16.8% bonus.
Correct
Glad someone else mentioned this. I was wondering if I missed something when noone pointed this out.
Sorry guy, but your calculation is wrong, 9%x2%x2%x2% is not 72%, the calculation is 100 (your base damage) x 1,09 x 1,02 x 1,02 x 1,02 x 1,01 which equals 116,82 not 172, nevertheless 100 x 1,04 x1,03 x 1,03 x 1,03 x 1,03 is still better, as it reaches 117,05 but by far not by the numbers you gave
his example was in laymen, so really +900%, +200%, etc; making the math 10*3*3 etc. actual numbers of lvl 100 chars is stuff like:
1.8*1.6*2.2*8.2*1.9
all of that just walking in town and before legendary affixes are added in.
his example checks out.
Don't call him Guy, Buddy.
@@suikodin2501no, he used percent symbols and his math is wrong
@@pastafarian7 the results are what matter. go do the math yourself and see that regardless of his representation, the math checks out. aka, go do an actual calculation of your dps with using buckets correctly and all the other research him and I and others have done that gets you the result of... spread your stats. yes, the final results are of magnitudes of 10 times more damage, not the 3% garbage you implied.
The fact you could explain this well enough for me to understand is great work. I usually just clear the campaign and equip "numbers go up" items.
This seems simple enough for me to care a little lol. Thanks.
Absolutely the clearest and best explanation I've seen yet.
Was hoping it would be super clear. Lots of friends told me I explained it really well so I should make a video, glad I listened.
Ive played all the diablos before, and watched a few videos on this already. this was by far the best, clearest and concise explanation ive seen, kudos man great job! shared with friends!
Thanks! Very happy that this is really getting out there and helping people.
Simple, short, straight to the point. Generaly one of the best explanation videos I ever saw. Thank you.
No, thank you!
I had to stop the video, because your math is WAY WAY off, like, insanely off. First, I'll start with the obvious, at around 5:25 you are multiplying these numbers which is wrong, but also you multiply by 1. I'll say it again to let it sink in, you multiplied, by 1... OK so to move on, you can't simply multiply the numbers to begin with, that's not how it works, because they are % increases. If you multiply by 3, that's tripling your original number, or a 200% increase. You might be confused as to why not 300%, and this is because it's an "increase by" and not an "increase to", so you take 200% of your number, say 100, and ADD that on top of the original. So 200% of 100 is 200, add that to the base = 300.
Now that that part is out of the way let's get into what your examples would actually come out to. And don't get me wrong, you have the right concept, you're just grossly miscalculating it. In your first example, the total is actually a 16.83% increase, NOT 72%. In your 2nd part it goes up to a 17.05% increase, NOT 324%.
Side note, if you really want to use multiplication instead of simply adding the % (which most calculators can do and is easier). Then to calculate a 2% increase, you need to multiply by 1.02.
I understand most things pretty quickly and easily but this video I understood the quickest and the easiest. Bravo!
Thank you for this. I had some damage to my brain recently and information is difficult to take in. I have always loved arpg's but have been struggling of late due to my brain damage. The way that you explained this was perfect and so easy to take in. Thank you so much!
Finally I understand this concept,I was not suffering for not knowing it but now I can focus on increasing more the dps output as much as I can with this new knowledge. Thanks for this good explanation 🤘🏻
Really well done. Super easy to understand, and the graphics thrown up on screen were beautifully laid out.
Thank you. I'm a big fan of making unique edits that are different.
Just to point out: The item power of the weapon effects the percentage power of your bucket affixes...Same with Jewlery.. And stacking multiple hit statuses to getting a boss staggering with ice, fire, cold, lightning, etc etc... Will greatly increase damage against boss... Thanks for the simple explanation.. Would have loved a training (dojo) room like NIOH2 to test damage..
A place to test damage would be amazing. Have the exact same issue in Destiny 2, which is the game I came from. No place to just TEST things easily.
@@justjarrod destiny player here, Greg the ogre was all we had lol
Very well explained. I knew nothing about the "buckets" coming into this. This has explained it perfectly.
I have never watched any of your stuff. I took a chance on this video and holy shit it’s phenomenal. Straight to the point, easy to understand, and nice examples. I’m subbing right now!
Thanks! I'll be back with more videos soon, unfortunately caught covid so I've had a bit of a break. Glad the video helped!
EASILY the most concise and easy to digest version of this info. TY sir
Finally! The most informative video on damage that doesn't assume beforehand that you already knew about the damage bucket theory.
I don't know if this was mentioned in the comments anywhere, but I don't see it on the spreadsheet or in the video anywhere, overpower damage is completely separate from the buckets. So the way you described is one "pool" of buckets. Overpower damage is another pool of buckets, and I believe poison damage is also another "pool" of buckets as well.
The buckets are multiplicative, the pools are additive.
amazing video. this is the first video that explains damage buckets in a way every new player to diablo (like me) can understand it. great work.
Glad I could help out!
Very nice, I've been doing good in the dmg department but seeing this explained into buckets has been very useful seeing the manipulation of numbers spread across each bucket
Your multiplication example just doesn't make sense imho. It should be 1.03 x1.03 x 1.04 ... Not 3x3x4.
If it is not, it would make sense to clarify why.
The game should color code or list this sort of stuff in the game. If it's going to be important it shouldn't have been something people had to research and theorize in a spreadsheet.
Gosh thank you! Explained it so much better than the other 5 videos i've watched. You deserve a sub!
I just appreciate that you got to the point and explained thing plainly. Great job my dude
the math is so wrong, a 2% increase in each bucket is x 1.02, not x 2, its 2% not 200%.
by your math i would be doing damage in the billions with 300% in both vul and crit damage which is easily obtainable on barb
what a misleading video
This is the first video that actually made it click in my brain so thank you very much
I've watched lots of video guides for my build and diablo in general, but this popped into my feed today and it's the first I've ever heard of damage stacking. So thanks much for the informative video!
Your welcome! There's lots of inner workings of the game, you'd be surprised the amount of players that don't know this exists.
Dude great video. This is by far the easiest video to understand on damage buckets. It has actually enabled me to see my gear in a whole new light. I greet you specially JarrodLoots.
Thanks so much Bro.. through your video, made me totally understand how this confusing DMG bucket concept works. Thx
Literally 2 simple fixes Blizzard could (should) implement to fix incinerate.
1) Flamescar is now a staff instead of a wand. Higher yield on stats and damage.
2) allow incinerate damage to crit and give it a bit more lucky hit% (currently 16% base compared to Blizzards 54% base). The fact it can't crit at all makes incinerate lose an entire bucket. They could also make DOT dmg share the bucket with crit instead to help.
It's insane they're not bright enough to come with these solutions on their own.
I’m a full tank right now, but in season 1 I’ll be going full damage/move speed, very excited to utilize this so thanks.
Thanx dude. I was doin it right all along. I didnt know all the terms but i was thinkin about it the right way.
Best explanation I've seen yet. well done.
Best video I've seen explaining this so far. Great job.
Great to hear, thanks!
So the math is terribly wrong and also you put the [x] into ONE single bucket as if they all add-up into one single bucket THIS IS WRONG. you must take the [x] as if they were all individual bucket.
and yet... he did it 100% correct. blizz UI and tooltips are simply misleading. His math checks out.
6:03
I know you said, don’t focus on “exact numbers” but I have to say something because someone’s going to see and hear what you just said and absorb some very bad math.
A 3%, 4%, 3%, 3% & 3% increase in each bucket =! 324% increase my dude. It’s a 17% increase. Remember, you’re dealing with percentages, not whole numbers.
For example, using 100 as our base damage:
100*1.03*1.04*1.03*1.03*1.03=117.
I must say, THIS is the best explained vid ive seen on this subject so far.
Sometimes simplifying things is an art unto itself!
Ayee thanks!
Man this just cleared everything up for me in like 10 mins lol. Thanks!
Nice and simple explanation. Thanks dude.
Thanks for watching! Had a great time putting this one together.
Very good loved how u didn’t use any items from game as examples or really any actual numbers as blizzard made it to be confusing so referencing there gear to explain it defeats the purpose
Best guide about Damage stacking! Well Done!
Love a short to the point explanation. Thank you
This is fucking great. I had no idea how the math worked.
My bet is most players have no idea. It's an odd system that a lot of people don't really like because it forces you to use crits and vulnerable and everything basically. But my bet is this gets changed as time goes on to allow for more freedom of choice. Kinda like how they are already working on changing elemental resistances and armor.
Yup. I'm a newer casual Rogue player running poison/twisting blades. Right now I'm like level 45 and just starting to get some better gear. This is going to help me out immensely. I've got so much damage rolled into poison and vulnerable but my crit damage is really low still.
@@ItachiUchiha-yz5nn Yeah I went through into low 50's before diving into damage stacking "correctly." I was all in on Poison damage for Druid and wasn't using vulnerable or crits at all. As soon as I started including those, damage really skyrocketed. Glad I could help!
Bro, thank you for this video.
Now I know what I need to pick up and what I can throw away. Because i'm new to diablo and I was confused On how to become stronger. Again, A1 video.
Hands down the best explanation of damage buckets I have seen you sir deserve a salute. And also you just gained a new sub or two. Gonna make sure my pops checks this out 🤜🏽🤛🏽💯🔥
Would love if you could break down attack speed buffs. From what I can tell, it seems like flat +attack speed either is capped or gives very diminished returns, whereas conditional buffs really go much further, but may also be capped as well 🤷♂️
Interesting. I can look into this. I personally have super low attack speed on my Druid so haven't messed around with attack speed too much but I can see what's being said online.
Nicely explained, except for the math examples. You can add the percentages of each bucket up, but when you do multiplication to percentages you have to convert it to a number first, so + 3 % would be 1.03, +60% would be 1.6 when you get to multiplying the buckets together.
Great info! Had no idea I was fookin up my build. Now it smacks! Liked and subbed! 👏🤘
lets gooooooo
Can you repeat this video with the new system when you can. I’m struggling to understand what the devs meant in the latest campfire chat
If you watch my latest video, you can use the timestamps to go to the damage bucket part where I tried to explain the new system. But yeah as soon as the season starts I want to do another dedicated guide on the changed system.
Straight forward and easy to understand. Great vid.
Very good explanation, thank you. I've watched maybe 6 different videos on this and they couldn't simplify it as well as you did. Thanks! (Edit: Lol I post and see I'm like the 100th person to say it. You know you did good when...)
You didnt do the math correctly. You dont just mutliply times 2 for a 2% increase. The math goes times 1,02 because the increase is by 102%. With your stats i got 16,8% increase in damage. With your way the 1% increase doesnt even do anything cause you just multiply with 1 which doesnt even do anything.
So the Concept of choosing different damage buckets to maximize your damage is correct, but the math is wrong.
Wow this is the best guide ever on this subjecr, thx a lot
How does crit factor into dot based builds. As a shadow necro , their damage are dots. Tooltip shows crits don’t do anything for dots so...
Also this is the best explanation I’ve seen on buckets and I’ve watched so many vids.
what bucket is overpowered damage?
you should have used "real" numbers, like +10% each to chilled/frozen/x and then spreading it to other buckets, and doing the correct sum or multiplication. My OCD is itching :)
Thanks for the info. this is great. my question is, how about overpower? which bucket does it fall into? or is it another bucket on its own?
Much appreciated on the info bro. It got you a sub and a like. Very easy to understand so now, I know WTF is up. 💪
Does damage reduction work before or after the reduction by Armor?
the only video on diablo i actually understood
Thank youuuuuuuuuu for this video!!!1 do a refreshed video! a new updated video!
Such a high quality class! Thank you. Liked and subbed.
This is a great video, explains damage stacking really well, cheers
Excellent explanation! Subbed!
Super informative and straight to the point. Keep up the great content!
Will do, appreciate it!
This video is with the sub alone. Subbed!
Wouldn’t it be easier if they used different coloured text for the affixes? That way, you would have a quick indicator of the bucket said affix falls into. Trying to remember all of these things off the bat can be quite confusing and daunting.
I’m new to the Diablo family but I’m gradually learning things as I play such as, if an item has 4 affixes, I want three of them to be beneficial knowing that I can reroll the last one.
This video really helped to understand as I was only speaking about stacking last night with my brother in law
Great video my man, keep them coming!
Many thanks from this casual player here. I feel like I have more choice and flexibility in the game now. :)
This was great dude, thank you for this!
Holy shit this was super simple and easy to understand! Thanks
Very good explanation and video! Only part I am still wondering about is the example you used for your weapon and how it hits 4 different buckets on one piece of gear. My question is would you have to use earth skills to get the multiplicative bonus from this affix? I am currently on necro with a bone build and I’ve gotten a few items with like 40% crit damage with shadow skills but don’t use any shadow skills. Would I still want this because of the number (giving my total bucket multiplication a boost) or is it only applicable if you use the actual skill type? (Would gain no multiplication because of not using shadow skills)
Are you sure about the 'Damage X' bucket? My understanding is that those are each applied individually, not added together.
Nice, clear explanation. Thanks!
Very nice explaining, what about Overpower? Is it an extra bucket?
Nice straight forward info.
Question about the damage [x] bucket. Are these added or multipied inside the bucket?
Can we get some examples of equipment affixes/aspects for the 5th X bucket please?
Yeah, would love this per class. Off the top of my head I can only think of a couple uniques like the chilling boots...
example: aspec like Retribution increase 40% (x) dmg to Stunned , its not bucket 5 , it multiply dmg to Stunned in bucket DMG+ first and additives with other in bucket DMG+
Although Damage to Injured Enemies is considered in the "additive" bucket, which contains like what 10+ types in that bucket, let's say there's 10, that means if you have only 1 and no other 9 in that bucket, then you would only be getting 10% value of whatever the affix gives.
So say if an affix says 40% to Damage to Injured Enemies, 10% of that = 4%. Despite spreading out in multiple buckets give better overall numbers, but taking up an affix slot that gives only a fraction vs a stand alone bucket that's gives the whole % of the affix doesn't seem be maxing.
However, despite that I opted to use Damage to Injured Enemies on a couple gear pieces, and in while in th Injured Enemies condition, I was doing much more dmg and melting them...making it feel like as if it was a large multiplier, so it's confusing and goes against what I thought I understood the same as what you showed in the video. Can you help clarify this situation?
This probably doesn’t change anything fundamentally for most people, but when buckets are multiplicative like they are in Diablo, I find useful to remind myself that the numbers are still additive… in a log scale.
The normal scale of the game is exponential in nature, which is why your damage will go from, say, 4000 to 4,000,000.
May seem quite dramatic, but on a log scale, the difference between these two types of damage is in fact not nearly as pronounced. Suddenly there is much less of a “wow” effect.
But I’ll say that I personally don’t like exponential scaling in games much. When your damage goes from 4000 to 4,000,000, this begs the question: what is the amount of HP a boss or a trash mob should have?
credibility goes down when you use the word exponential instead of geometric when discussing growth. exponential is a whole other level that is definitely not present in diablo.
@@suikodin2501 lol this proves you’re stupid
I have a PhD in Physics, but I don’t know what exponential is, okay Jan.
Now I suppose I should try and say something for once. Suppose you have buckets, one of each with a 100% damage increase.
Let’s say those are 8 buckets. Your damage will be multiplied by 2 ^ 8.
8 is the *exponent*, and it is key to characterizing your damage here. Multiplication and exponentiation are intimately related - which is why when you take the log of products, it becomes additive.
Fantastic video. Thank you. I finally get it.
I'm sorry to say but your math off. You can't simply multiply % together to get your answer. Each % is a +%. What is that percent adding to? Well 100%. So in your first example of 2%, 9%, 2%, 2%, 1%. The math is 102% times 109% times 102% times 102% times 101%. What you type in the calculator is 1.02 * 1.09 * 1.02 * 1.02 * 1.01 which comes out to 116.82%. Which equates to a +16.82% total damage increase. In your second example with 3%, 4%, 3%, 3%, 3% the math is 1.03 * 1.04 * 1.03 * 1.03 * 1.03 = 1.1705 which is +17.05%. By moving your stats around you get +0.23% extra damage.
Another way to quickly know your way of calculating is incorrect is if you don't add any modifers to one bucket (0%) you would get 0% as the total damage added regardless of what you add in other buckets.
wtf. 2% x 9% x 2% x 2% doesn't equal 72%. But 2x9x2x2 does. No wonder this game makes no sense. You multiple the bonuses, not your damage? So 100 base dmg isnt 100x1.02x1.09x1.02x1.02 which would make sense and be easy to follow and calculate.. instead its whole number damage multipliers added together in their buckets, multiplied together, and then reverted back to a percentage bonus? so its 100x(1+(2x9x2x2)/100)=172... wtf
I just assumed the guy doesnt umderstand how decimal and percentage multiplication works in his example. It doesnt change the bucket concept so doesnt really matter. There is no way the game does this pseudo math internally
YOU ARE A GENIUS... yes I did figure it out too.
yeah he clearly did the multiplication wrong. in fact in his example the first one with the big all dmg bucket is a higher % dmg increase (~18%) than the second one where it was spread out (~17%)
oh no i made a mistake and used one 1.03 instead of a 1.02, so its only 16,8%, so slightly lower than the second example
His math is wrong, but the idea is correct. So it’s base damage * (sum of % damage increases) * (sum of % vulnerable increase), etc
Great video thanks for making it so easy to understand
ok this is ridiculous easy to understand. Tks mate.
this was very helpful. can you please explain DAMAGE OVER TIME? very confused by this
Your math doesn't make sense to me. In the first example of multiplying buckets, you have a 1% affix, which you use to multiply by 1, r net zero increase. A 1% increase should multiply by 1.01.
Not sure why? Once again though the numbers don't matter. Just shows how it works.
Nice, clear video, excellent job
Nicely done. Subbed. Thank you.
A great way to explain this, thankyou.
What’s a better two handed weapon for my Rogue: A) a crossbow with higher base damage, lower crit damage and higher dex or B) a crossbow with lower base damage, higher crit damage, lower dex with added vulnerable damage affix? Not really sure.
Holy shit, I actually understand it now. Thanks man
Thank you very much, for the clear explanation.👍🏻
Thanks for the video! Quick question. The crit damage shouldn’t be applied only when you crit? The way you explained with the multipliers made me think it applied to base dmg as well
Correct it only applies when you crit. The damage calculation with everything totaled together is just "potential" damage. Crit stuff does not increase your base damage or anything else.
Good vid, but you should also inform people of the great importance of high(item lvl) starting dps from main weapon to the beginning of the calculation, and that a high item lvl with bad damage bucket spread on it is way better than a low item lvl weapon with perfect spread..
added a portion of this to my pinned comment, thanks!
Math is wayy off at 5:34. When percentages are multiplicative you multiple the scaling coefficient not an integer. The math should look like this
1.02*1.09*1.02*1.02*1.01 = 1.17.
The value you listed as a 72% dmg bonus would be a coefficient like this 1.72.
Excellent video, well laid out and clear. Do you want to consider an addendum to cover Overpower? (and damage number colours?)
Overpower is also a damage bucket I found out today, but instead of it multiplying with the other buckets, it just gets added to the total once the other buckets have been multiplied. But I think an update to this video is probably needed due to more info I've gathered today, could touch on damage number colors in that as well.