People ‘don’t want truth’ about the Israel-Hamas war | Howard Jacobson

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  • @allday5790
    @allday5790 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +25

    My Muslim family to this day still say October 7th no one died while on October 7th they cheered. My eyes are open to the hypocrisy and I'm forever changed.

    • @Alicja1Fenigsen
      @Alicja1Fenigsen 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      difficult. It must be very hard for You.

    • @bec5250
      @bec5250 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      Thank you for having the courage to think independently - even against the influence of your entire family. People like you are few and far between, however it is in the hands of independent thinkers peace has a future.

  • @jerzybialik4167
    @jerzybialik4167 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +8

    This man speaks the truth. Israel is in an impossible position.

    • @rogerphelps9939
      @rogerphelps9939 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Israel should never have been founded, at least not in its current form. Since its foundaion Israel has stolen Palestinian land, murdered Palestinians and denied their human rights. Israel was set up without consulting the existing population whose roots went back hundreds of years. Furthermore the extent of the territory that Israel was established is far greater than that occupied by Jews prior to the diaspora. Israel has done all of this with only the token slap on the wrist from the west. Put yourself in the shoes of the Palestinians. Inaction by the west has made Gaza and the West Bank fertile breeding grounds for radicalisation. Unfortunately it was inevitable and testament to the lack of foresight of the WW2 victors in their haste to make some sort of reparations for the Jews. It is mainly our fault.

  • @sheilamacdougal4874
    @sheilamacdougal4874 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +10

    Justice? Try reading Hamas charters, then look at Palestinian polls.

  • @just_another_nerd
    @just_another_nerd 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +12

    18:50 Can anyone please provide actual reasoning with logical arguments as to *why* it is wrong to seek a regime change in Iran?

    • @jackconway5875
      @jackconway5875 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Change into what and for what purpose needs clarifying before that question can be answered. In terms of the attitudes surrounding say the venture into Iraq, if we were to apply that to Iran, I think its pretty clear why we shouldnt be seeking (forcing) a regime change in Iran.
      We should absolutely be seeking regime change in Israel though haha. After all we are economically, militarily and politically far more entangled with them than Iran and can use that to influence to pressure regime change.

    • @Alicja1Fenigsen
      @Alicja1Fenigsen ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      because the initiative belongs to the people of Iran?

    • @bfarzady5212
      @bfarzady5212 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      No. It is obviously not wrong in any way. The status quo is wrong.

    • @bfarzady5212
      @bfarzady5212 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      ​@@jackconway5875Change from a theocratic and autocratic dictatorship the population despises into any other form of government. Also, no one suggested invading Iran to do this. Any intervention, even minor, would likely help spark this change from within Iran.

    • @bfarzady5212
      @bfarzady5212 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@Alicja1Fenigsen...and they desperately want it.

  • @charlesflint9048
    @charlesflint9048 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

    Yes, it is horrifying to see innocent people of both sides being killed, and their relatives grieving for years.
    Modern communication can give a bias which is like you say ‘dangerous’.

    • @Alicja1Fenigsen
      @Alicja1Fenigsen 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      not just for years: generations are going to be afflicted; I was born in the ruins of WWII, where not only countries, but every individual person was heavily damaged one way or another and I see my grown up children unwittingly pass some of the traumas on, the pain, the anger - - - (therapy? there are no "real" pre-trauma selves to be restored, that background is what we are made of; replacements can be constructed, given endless effort and lots, lots of time and opportunity, their durability still to be seen)

  • @Falcordog1212
    @Falcordog1212 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +18

    Guys, you gotta shake off the western eyes vantage point when it comes to matters pertaining to middle eastern affairs and more specifically the theological aspects. This conflict has nothing to do with the two state solution, self determination or any of that. The crux is theological/ideological. Western Judeo-Christian being challenged by Jihadism. History simply repeating itself.
    Put on a different pair of specs fitted with the right lenses. Then and only then you'll begin to understand how the dots truly connect.

    • @rmdomainer9042
      @rmdomainer9042 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +5

      "oh no, you have the wrong lenses, here are the right lenses, guys". Gee, how can we argue against such logic. I am lost for words 🤣

    • @ducx23
      @ducx23 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      That is very one-sided again. It is also normal inhabitants being chased out for zionist ideas and christian apocalypse freaks.
      There is a lot of money going into that area with no good plans. the Rothshields bought a lot of land around 1948.
      And now usa christian group fund jewish people to move to there to occupy a palestinian his house. and fund a lot of the bombs.

    • @bec5250
      @bec5250 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      No, it's not a war between religious beliefs. There lies the path of nutters. This is a war between theocracy and democracy. Democracy is secular.

  • @imaca6538
    @imaca6538 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +10

    I think this fella is spot on to be fair, you can’t take sides when both sides are acting like monsters. I get the history, I get the hate, but where does it end

    • @cedriceric9730
      @cedriceric9730 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      how the world really works is by deterense , its not in the nature of evil and ignorance to listen and to reason , to answer your question , it ends when deterrance is established - unconditional surrender

  • @johnkohsamui6826
    @johnkohsamui6826 38 นาทีที่ผ่านมา +1

    Foolish man. I'm embarrassed that the guy was part of the British security establishment.

  • @ratarsed666
    @ratarsed666 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +9

    a good interview and alot of sense spoken ..... all sides of any conflict have there dark sides but conflicts have an origin and a cause and it needs to be spoken about and lies need to be uncovered and facts learnt from even if it does challenge our own bias ....

  • @JoshWine
    @JoshWine 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +17

    Naive commentary at the end that we need an Iranian Mandela and an Israeli Mandela. Israel does not wish to destroy Iran or Gaza or Lebanon. It has no claims on those territories. It only wishes to be left alone.

    • @Frank.and.Beanzz
      @Frank.and.Beanzz 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +7

      That's not true.

    • @montecarlo1651
      @montecarlo1651 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      then why is Israel killing tens of thousands of Gazans? Why are settlers systematically colonising the West Bank and chasing out Palestinians?

    • @rmdomainer9042
      @rmdomainer9042 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      It has always been about the territories.

    • @jakeroper1096
      @jakeroper1096 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@rmdomainer9042for the Gazians, correct

    • @rmdomainer9042
      @rmdomainer9042 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@jakeroper1096 For both, you'd have to be blind to not realize that. Zionism is a settlement program by definition. Settling in a place where others lived.

  • @philpembroke5373
    @philpembroke5373 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    A decade ago, Hamas and Hezbollah cannon fodder were ten years old. In ten years time...

  • @roberw1912
    @roberw1912 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Removing the leadership in Iran might be the onky solution. My only concern is Iran is a multi ethnic state, alongside people wanting a religious state and others wanting a secular state which could lead to a horrible civil war.

  • @hablemosdepolitica-i2q
    @hablemosdepolitica-i2q 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Muy buena descripción de lo que nos ocurre a muchos.

  • @dlitepix3752
    @dlitepix3752 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    This same people would have called Mandela a terrorist when he was fighting for freedom.

  • @mckechnie1688
    @mckechnie1688 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    This guy is so naive

  • @Alicja1Fenigsen
    @Alicja1Fenigsen 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Conflicts in modern times have their deepest roots in our idiotic, romantic, unsuficiently examined idea of nation states, in the traumatic longing for super-families (when the natural ones are lacking). National communities are true and natural in the rarefied realms of culture, but not in territorial administration or "ownership". It made great sense just after the napoleonic wars, when empires were failing left and right, but never after and not even really before. Populations have always been mixed, chauvinisms built invariably on dangerous, unstable fictions.

  • @Alicja1Fenigsen
    @Alicja1Fenigsen ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    violence is crime

  • @abey32
    @abey32 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    The fact thatvhe said university students were matching for hamas call into questions his intellectual honesty

    • @laserdolphin6483
      @laserdolphin6483 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Because they are. They parrot their propaganda. These marxist processors on college campuses write in favor of these groups.

  • @ianatkin7541
    @ianatkin7541 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    It is always easy to be right after the fact lady.

  • @tatiannaannunaki2027
    @tatiannaannunaki2027 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    …your “reporting” defies logic…

  • @deviljelly3
    @deviljelly3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    12:40 ... I'm disgusted

  • @retromograph3893
    @retromograph3893 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +4

    This interview crystallizes the essential problem.
    He admits himself that he's not Israeli and never goes there. Yet he wakes up each morning torn over his partisan feelings. Why doesn't he tie himself in knots of the people in Syria or Yemen or Myanmar?
    If this supposed great writer can't even value all humanity equally, what hope is there?

    • @Alicja1Fenigsen
      @Alicja1Fenigsen 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      what you imply is racism

    • @retromograph3893
      @retromograph3893 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      That's the problem right there. Stand a Palestinian and an Israeli next to each other in the same clothes. Often, you wouldn't be able to tell which is which. So how is this about race?

    • @mikefraser4513
      @mikefraser4513 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@retromograph3893 You're more likely to hear a derogatory remark from the Muslim to the Jew than vive-versa...wanna bet?

    • @Alicja1Fenigsen
      @Alicja1Fenigsen 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@retromograph3893 You are right here, but otherwise barking up the wrong tree. I respond to the previous comment where the author (You) says, I quote: " the essential problem...... he wakes up each morning torn over his partisan feelings. Why doesn't he tie himself in knots of the people in Syria or Yemen or Myanmar?" so denying a person (of Jewish descend) the right to have the knowledge he has, as no one knows everything and some parts of the world can be more familiar that others, and to feel what he feels for right at this very dramatic turn. In effect, You imply that Jews only care for Jews, which is a very old, very worn out racist, yes, racist lie. The interviewee never says that he does not feel for other victims, only that he worries about that now. Let anyone who can embrace the entire world sufferings all at once cast the first stone. BTW does Hamas care about Myanmar and how do you know that?

    • @retromograph3893
      @retromograph3893 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@Alicja1Fenigsen Yes, i would like to deny the right (or at least point out the futility) of Jews or Muslims to act disproportionately, vengefully and feed this spiral of wack-a-mole violence.

  • @terrythekittieful
    @terrythekittieful 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    There was a report that came out a couple of weeks ago detailing the names of around 700 babies (under one year of age) that have died in Gaza over the past 12 months. They died from a variety of causes including lack of adequate care (food, medicines) in hospitals and bombings of course. The I.D.F. know too well that if they bomb an apartment block, a mosque or a school in the hope of getting one Hamas militant, then a big number of civilians are going to die. Out of sight, out of mind, but never rule out a rogue I.D.F. soldier (and there are plenty of them) having no issue with targeting a child.

    • @narendra62
      @narendra62 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      What was the source? What you have to understand is that dead babies are Hamas propaganda wins. So who should you blame?

    • @terrytracy9806
      @terrytracy9806 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Hamas hides behind these babies. Shameful.

    • @UdiKoomran
      @UdiKoomran 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Ask yourself - why are the babies not in a bomb shelter ?
      Because in Gaza despite the west pouring billions there are no bomb shelters for civilians
      There are thousands of tunnels but Hamas does not allow civilians to take shelter there …
      Why ? Because they use them as human shields
      Never in the history of mankind Has a regime used its own civilians as human shields not even the nazis
      This is a urban warfare that is unprecedented in history. Understand there are 400 miles of tunnels dug under Gaza that the hamas built with western aid funding and zero bomb shelters for the population in Gaza Yet unlike London underground in World War 2 Hamas forbids any civilians to take shelter in these tunnels
      What do you say ?

  • @kevinn1158
    @kevinn1158 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    The tragedy is that both sides of this conflict have an unnatural attachment to this dirt. And both sides have a long history of vilification and hatred for the other side. It's obviously all based on their respective religions, and quite frankly, you aren't going to change either side's mind. Only in their minds does any of this make sense. From my perspective, the whole attempt to trace back history of the jews or the muslims in the area is a dead end venture. When do you decide or judge when history starts? There's no justification in this path.
    As an atheist, I find the whole history of this area as an illustration of human insanity. There's no rational facts that can justify the brainwashing that goes on that has lead to this hatred. It's disgusting. And you will never be able to bomb the crazy ideas many of these people have out of existence.

    • @albertowachsman
      @albertowachsman 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

      As an atheist Israeli, I can assure that, from the Israeli side, this has nothing to do with hatred of Islam. Most Israeli Jews are not very religious, and a large part are not religious at all. Moreover, this conflict started when Israel was run by a totally secular government. Also, Judaism is not a missionary religion. It does not want to convert anybody.

    • @terrymcmaster2787
      @terrymcmaster2787 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@albertowachsmanso why are the settlers marching through Jerusalem chanting hate to Islam?

    • @kevinn1158
      @kevinn1158 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@albertowachsman I would say that from the jewish side, there's just no segregating the religious belief and genetic tribal identity. And part of that identity is in the existence of Isreal as a land. That is, the jewish people believe there is something holy or special it. Their god gave it to them. And Israel, no matter how "secular" you want to say the state is or the people might be, is effectively a theocracy based on a tribal religious identity. You are born a jew, and this is your land. There's no division between genetic ties to family and other people in that community and the religion. The reality is, all people want to convince their kids they are genetically a muslim, jew, christian etc.... I don't buy this argument.
      Now, if you were to ask me which side of this conflict is beyond rational discussion about their faith and teachings, and their hostility toward others, it would be Islam. It's a religion that is presently fervent to an extreme. And it is a missionary religion interested in converting as many as people as possible and has overtly stated that it wants Israel erased.
      Pragmatically, knowing that you will never be able to bomb this "brainwashing" away, the Isrealis are, at some point, going to have to identify a point at which they say, this is enough.

  • @JesusLordOfLords455
    @JesusLordOfLords455 3 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

    🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱

  • @annehalpin8516
    @annehalpin8516 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    50% of the population of Gaza is under 18 years old, of course there are an extreme number of children's deaths reported. This is so grim.

  • @ceebee491
    @ceebee491 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +6

    The 'event ' happened due to sticking people in a prison for 50+ years.. it was bound to happen one day (im a Christian )

    • @narendra62
      @narendra62 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +9

      This prison could have been a thriving community if all the aid has been used as intended. As you know it was used for tunnels and rockets.

    • @kylegill4932
      @kylegill4932 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +5

      They put themselves in that so called prison, Israel and the Palestinians accepted the mandate and land split, both signed and agreed to what was given. The Arab nations didn’t like Israel controlling holy/religious sites, which is why they teamed up to attack Israel, Israel beat the Arab nations and took more land in spoils of war. Why was hamas asking for the original borders that they were given lol???? They were literally asking for Israel to go back to the original borders that were set in the mandate…….!!!! So it’s enough land now, but wasn’t enough land then? They’ve had billions and billions in aid to build a lovely state, they’d rather spend the money on rockets and tunnels. Absolutely horrific what’s happened to the Palestinians, yet they, and the Arab nations started this mess years ago.

    • @UdiKoomran
      @UdiKoomran 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Gaza could be the Singapore of the middle east
      But Hamas used the billions of western aid to build tunnels

    • @darnikolapo2858
      @darnikolapo2858 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@narendra62why will they anyone choose to leave in a prison? When there options for better life

    • @rmdomainer9042
      @rmdomainer9042 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@kylegill4932 "agreed to what was given by a bunch of colonial and evangelical nutbags" FTFY

  • @samchris3793
    @samchris3793 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    You can't both sides occupation. You're either for human rights or you're not.

    • @albertowachsman
      @albertowachsman 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Agreed, but it's not that easy when the occupied side wants to destroy your country. You are left only with bad choices. When Israel left Gaza, that was the hope. But look what they got.

    • @nubosite
      @nubosite 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      You are obviously NOT, else you would have been on d streets since Children in Syria, Congo, & northern Nigeria.

    • @samchris3793
      @samchris3793 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@albertowachsman Actually the peace agreement with Yasser Arafat was the hope and Netanyahu purposely stepped all over that. Reap what you sow I suppose.

    • @samchris3793
      @samchris3793 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@nubosite Excuse me , but this what-about-ery doesn't work as the UK US and friends don't actively provide political cover and weapons for those. btw I think they are also bad but at least I can actually do something about the former.

    • @jackconway5875
      @jackconway5875 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@albertowachsman And does it ever occur to you that anger and animosity towards Israel might be related to the occupation?
      This is literally one of the same arguments that was made against ending apartheid in SA, segregation and slavery in USA. ie "We cant give them freedom because theyll seek revenge on us if we do"

  • @AuralioCabal
    @AuralioCabal 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    "Truth and Reconciliation " .I had a Jewish coworker who comes from S Africa, the family fled that beaut country and settled in Canada, my wife who is a "Colored" a mixed race left and immigrated to Canada were we met, Today she is on vacation In Cape Town were she comes from, The country has become worst economically as the people who knew how to run a country fled to other countries,leàving mostly Blacks and Coloreds.Most of them running the government & Politician in S.Africa are corrupt.

    • @rogerphelps9939
      @rogerphelps9939 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      But with the potential to be far greater.

    • @jackconway5875
      @jackconway5875 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      "the people who knew how to run a country"
      Which people are these?

    • @AuralioCabal
      @AuralioCabal 42 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

      @@jackconway5875 The ancestry of Brits ,Boers, Indians, etc....S Africa is called the " Rainbow Nation" races of all kinds, but today if you are Black it is easier to get a job than if you are White, ( reverse racism)if Colored good luck, such was the case during the Apartheid era, but today the S.Aafrica Border is almost open with Poorer African people North of the border coming in, just like South Americans and Mexican crossing into USA, taxing our SOCIAL SERVICES severely.

    • @jackconway5875
      @jackconway5875 33 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

      @@AuralioCabal Strange because I asked you which people are you referring to when you said "the people who knew how to run a country"
      Ill ask again, which people are you referring to?

  • @kafanfxme
    @kafanfxme 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Ron Moody?

  • @TheRIBLING
    @TheRIBLING 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    This Doctrine works better Sir! Jesus died fighting Conscription and Moses never Cleans the Slate. May will to do good guide you!

  • @ilanaran2446
    @ilanaran2446 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    o c c u p a t i o n 75 years!!!!!

    • @jack_s
      @jack_s 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Israel is belong to the Jewish people

  • @sheilamacdougal4874
    @sheilamacdougal4874 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Waste of time. Delete this silly video.

    • @marktwain5232
      @marktwain5232 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Why do you say that with the World now very possibly on the road to Thermonuclear World War III? Have you, yourself, ever been under lethal military arms for any Nation? That experience can focus the mind wonderfully and is often the beginning of seeking wisdom for many. There is a very interesting Jungian level in this discussion - especially if that is a photograph of Mary Sutherland Maxwell on the bookcase over Howard Jacobson's shoulder? It may or may not be, but to move deeper regardless to discern the "silly" and "non-silly" in the Nuclear Age, you need to read the 1969 Book "Hamlet's Mill: An Essay Investigating the Origins of Human Knowledge And Its Transmission Through Myth" by Giorgio de Santillana and Hertha von Dechen and then do some research to fully understand WHY Michael Cimino has that barely disguised 1956 Ford "Customline" VICTORIA parked in the Street before "Welsh's Lounge" in "Clairton, PA" in the 1978 Film "The Deer Hunter". Good luck to you and yours amid what is coming in the 2040's.

  • @just_another_nerd
    @just_another_nerd 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    18:50 Can anyone please provide actual reasoning with logical arguments as to *why* it is wrong to seek a regime change in Iran?

    • @ducx23
      @ducx23 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      The past regime in Iran change led to this regime.
      The operation enduring freedom led to the regime change in Afghanistan, which is now ended.
      Vietnam war had to do with regime change.
      The second Iraq war was regime change, leading to isil.
      you get a period of bloody distress and you don't know where you end up.