Omer Bartov-Israel Guilty of Genocide, Ethnic-cleansing; US Totally Complicit; Israel Could Implode
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- Israel is guilty of "genocide, ethnic-cleansing & annexation" in Gaza; the US is "totally complicit"; Israel faces "a terrible future" & could "implode": Professor of Holocaust & Genocide Studies, Brown University, Omer Bartov
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One of the world’s foremost scholars on the holocaust and genocide studies has said Israel is guilty of “genocide, ethnic-cleansing and annexation” in Gaza. Prof. Omer Bartov added that the United States is “totally complicit”. He said Israel faces “a terrible future” and if it does not consciously change it could “implode”.
In a 45-minute interview to Karan Thapar for The Wire, to mark the first anniversary of the start of the Israel-Hamas war in Gaza, which is the 7th of October, Prof. Bartov said that President Biden could have insisted in November or December of 2023 that Israel must ceasefire and find a political solution to the crisis in Gaza but he consciously and deliberately refused to do so. Prof. Bartov called this a “major mistake”.
In the interview to The Wire, Prof. Bartov said if Israel continues the way it has been behaving for the last year it will become “increasingly isolated” and “impoverished”. The people who will suffer the most are the Palestinians who are 50% of the population in the land area that Israel controls. However, Prof. Bartov added that the Jewish people will also suffer.
I will stop there because I firmly believe you should hear Prof. Bartov yourself. His interview is a commanding tour d’horizon both of the situation in Israel and the mood of the Israeli people as well as the situation in the region and internationally. Very rarely will you come across an academic and scholar with the grasp Prof. Bartov has of the subject and his enormous sweep of the details. I can confidently add that you will learn a lot from this interview and it will give you a great sense of perspective as we approach the first anniversary of the Israel-Hamas war in Gaza.
To help you, I will give you the list of questions asked. They will indicate the rich analytical content of this interview. If there is only one interview you see to mark the anniversary of the Israel-Hamas war, I strongly recommend it should be this one.
Here are the questions:
1) It’s one year since the Israel-Hamas war began and during those 12 months you have done two famous newspaper essays on how you view the situation in Israel. In November, writing for The New York Times, you said “there is no proof that genocide is now taking place in Gaza”. But in August, writing for The Guardian, you said: “It was no longer possible to deny that Israel was engaged in systematic war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocidal actions … the ultimate goal of this entire undertaking from the very beginning had been to make the entire Gaza strip uninhabitable, and to debilitate its population to such a degree that it would either die out or seek all possible options to flee the territory.” Can you start by explaining what’s convinced you - a former IDF soldier but also a historian of the Holocaust - that Israel is carrying out a genocide in Gaza?
2) In your August article for The Guardian you wrote about a meeting at Ben-Gurion University in June which was interrupted by a group of students, many of whom had been soldiers who had fought in Gaza. Of them you write: “The young men and women I spoke with that day were filled with rage … because, I think, they felt betrayed by everyone around them”. You say they felt betrayed by the media, by senior commanders, by politicians, by intellectuals and leftists, by the US government and by anti-semitic students protesting against Israel in western universities. You say “they seemed fearful and insecure and confused”. Tell me about the mood of these people because, I presume, they are the future of Israel.
3) You write that these young students reminded you of “the German students union” of 1930 which was taken over by the Nazis. You end that part of the essay with the words: “I left that meeting filled with trepidation and foreboding”. What precisely were you worried about? What were your fears?
4) I know that Israeli society - with the exception of some people like Gideon Levy - have accepted or even supported what Israel is doing in Gaza. But what is the impact on the soldiers themselves? They are the perpetrators of this horror. Are they all like the students at Ben-Gurion University or are some filled with repulsion and guilt for what they were made to do?
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It is a heinous crime against humanity .
A very insightful interview - rarely available otherwise. Thanks to Karan and Prof Bartov.
The supreme arrogance of that Jewish state has made it feel that it is above international law and the norms of morality and justice. Germany too had the same mindset once upon a time.
You know still they still have a conscience, unlike the middle east muslims. Have you ever heard Pakistan even accept killing 3 million Bengalis? Also the minority in Iran is now nonexistent. When I was in Iran non muslims were 50% of the population in Tehran and surrounding provinces, tell me how in 30 years in gets less then 1%. Also the killing of 5 million muslims by muslims in middle east in last decade was by other muslims.
Excellent interview as always…..loved the possible solution by Prof Omer Bartov……..it’s his vision and I hope it can become a reality some time in future 🙏
Mr Bartov a wonderful human being & upright mind, I hope zionist listen to him.🙏
Thanks
Good evening sir. Massive pressure from UNSC and the people from globally must put pressure for ceasefire permanently on war waging countries.
Very very important sir jee
Sir, Plz call Prof Murandi (Tehran University).
@@ehteshamali8319 indeed
Also call Ghadi Francis the journalist
Thank you for interviewing Mr Omer Bartov❤ thanks The Wire.
This is one among many reasons we will be voting for Jill Stein and Butch Ware 💚🍉💚
Observed Very Serious Discussion compared with all international channels, I have so far watched.
Is economic stagflation a big problem for the European weapon exporters??????
Is this the conduct of a civilised world.Or we have regressed to the stone age ??
when did we progress from stone age? Tribalism uber allez
The comparison of present-day Israel to Germany under the Nazis is perfectly valid. It’s not even that ironic. Israel’s version of Nazism feeds on the Holocaust.
Only Biden can stop it. But he won't do it 😢
Is the USA debt $34 lakhs crores???? Is it good for the world???????
Two state is a myth. The common federal state like EU is just another myth. Settlers are part of apartheid state and how do you expect them to respect Palestinians people ?
How do you expect that Palestinians people live without as armed state? Without abolishing IDF there won't any peace for Palestinians people.
Abolish apartheid state, IDF, make one state with constitution , equal right for all irrespective of their faith a s ethnicity. This idea is fully supported by Palestinians, Hamas, Iran, Hezbullah, but only people who don't support this idea are Jewish Zionist, American Christian Zionist, basically entire west.
That is not practical. They cannot be a minority and risk further issues. Especially a region filled with fundamentalists. Both sides have that same arrogant approach, possibly due to the violent parts of the Old Testament and the Koran in general. They cannot live in peace together ever again. They once might have. So suggesting impractical ideas will not help/ The Palestinians can join Jordan or some other Arab state and be first-class citizens in a muslim majority. Anyway, most of them are Jordanian descendants. The Sykes Pico agreement partitioned it incorrectly, based on tribal differences and wanting to give each monarch/caliph, their own kingdom, instead of one nation. Like they did with India.
The Arabs need to accept that attacking them in 48 was a mistake. A consequence of that and the 67 war, was them losing more land with the reasoning being a security perimeter. But it appears the Israelis have an agenda to surreptitiously occupy land all over. Like in the West Bank. So the longer the 2 state prolongs, the longer will be suffering for all. Israel, IMO, now is caught between a rock and a hard place. It cannot forcibly evict its people out like it did with Gaza. And like he says, would lead to civil war. It's not a matter or right or wrong, but the consequences that would follow, even if that action was right. The arabs now want to go back to the 67 timeline, but Israel cannot do a Gaza like eviction again. Hence the stalemate.
Cant agree more on title. True.
Important
The ground reality of the relationship between USA and Israel is actually, Israel is the brain of USA, because for each and every technology aspect, USA depends on Israel. The brain that actually tends to develop strategies and technology of USA is all because of Israel's brain, so that is the reason USA don't want Israel to diminish and eventually the people of Palestine have to pay consequences. And one more important thing, that USA also want its equipments, its technologies to get exported and make money using Israel and even Palestine.
इज़रायल ने अपने कट्टर दुश्मनों की गांव फाड् दी है। अब तुम सब रोते रहो।
All non extremist Indians should really watch this peek into the crystal ball. Israel today is the final destination of the journey India has been on since 2014.
Saudi Arabia and UAE just to name the 2 major American ally in the Middle East has now turned into Israeli ally too when they normalised relations with the signing of Abraham Accords( UAE signed it and Saudi were on the brink of signing it but after october 7,2023 they put it on hold) and to my mind forced Hamas to launch cross-borders attack on Israel on an unprecedented scale mindful of the consequences from Israel.
U r wrong only at the last part. Accord would have made Iran irrelevant. Hence, it prompted the Hamas to launch an attack
@@FreddieMurphy746 Apparently Hamas was and is sponsored by Iran.Its an open secret.
The professor sort of justifies the oct 7 attack by saying that Hamas was successful in bringing their issue to the fore. At what cost? Was it the right way to bring your concerns to forefront? How about peaceful protests and education and development? Such a bad example.
Prof. Bartov was an IDF member himself. I am sure he understands October 07 far better than you ever will.
Its exactly how the Algerian FLN brought their concerns to the table vis a vis the French rule, by targeting the Pied Noir community in Algeria, women and children..
This comment is based on ignorance. I suggest you study the history of Apartheid in South Africa and find out why Nelson Mandela was forced to make a decision to take up armed resistance after attempting peaceful protests which failed to bring about change.
What an ignorant comment by Sureshji. !
For the cause of freedom independence & for the right of own nation, any price is little. India paid very high price, except the followers of Savarkar GOLWALKAR SHIYAMA PRASHAD MUKHARJI Dindayal upadhiya.. Palestiniens will achieve their freedom & statehood. 🇵🇸🇮🇳🇵🇸🇮🇳🇵🇸
We the Hindus of India will always stand with the State of Israel- they are in the RIGHT and remember they did not start this war!!
@@rukmanimanay6607 International law disagrees with you.
100% We Hindus will totally support Israel.
@@siddave549 You support land theft, apartheid, and war crimes?
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You are wrong because you do not know neither the history or the Bible!
History tells us that just as the ancient Israelite kingdoms were TWICE destroyed by the Babylonians and the Romans for their wickedness and transgressions, so will the modern Jewish state meet the same fate. Do you even know what Jesus has in store for them according to the prophecy in Luke 19:27? It's not gonna be pleasant for his enemies.
Fictionalised history has no place in modern geopolitics.
How come accused only Israel of genocide, when enemies of Israel also wants to commit genocide against the Jews if they get the upper hand first. This is not fair at all, it is biased.
After the Genocide, Now Israel didn't want to stop the war so it started the next front Lebanon.
there a BIG difference between wish and ACTION !
note that iran didnt target any civilians area
what is your proof? europeans genocided convert european fake convert chews. chews found refuge in muslim lands from morocco to iran. read history. the fake converts made a deal with europeans to invade, settle, colonize palestine by genocide and ethnic cleanse the natives. thats what the fight is about. if they make peace, like with egypt and jordan, give up the occupied territories which is 22% of historic palestine, fighting will end. otherwise irs ww3.
why dont you educate yourself. i'm tired of typing. whew.
That's just typical Zio bs and propaganda
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Pl read the Hamas charter before coming to their rescue....Hamas is no different from ISIS.....kabi kashmiri hindu or Bangladeshi Hindu ki bi baat karo ..
Tum paisa do tho ye baat karega... Free mein kuch nahi hota... Karan apne Lea jeeta hai 😂....
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While you're reading charters, also read the Likud party's charter.
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It's an irony that millions of Jews who became the victims of Holocaust perpetrated by the Nazis against them are going the same way.
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