I was a die hard Toyota guy right to the day the local dealer was going charge me $4,000 market adjustment on a 2023 RAV4 Hybrid that was 4 months late on delivery. Told them to keep their car and I’ll keep my money. Two days later we purchased a new 2023 Forester Premium off the lot for $9,000 less. Very happy being a new Subaru owner.
Family and friends all have subarus. But I was originally looking for a Rav4 Hybrid about a year ago and had the same experience with markups and borderline extortion-pricing on their hybrids. Went with a 2019 Outback and no car payment
No one else at work has a Forester. I do. I'm also the one that always gets to work, regardless of weather, sometimes showing up with a trailer or log splitter in tow, I'm the guy they ask for jumps from (as no one else carries or knows how to use jumper cables), my car is maintained both mechanically and in appearance, and I'm starting to get back to upper twenties in fuel efficiency, which I maxed out at 31.2 mpg back when I had better highway tires. Oh, and it's a manual transmission. 🤓
New Forester Wilderness owner, so far it feels very solid. In your pursuit of better mpg I would try Archoil Gas Treatment. I believe it’s item # is 6200. It is a fuel stabilizer and treatment. I have used it for everything from weed eater, to large lawn mowers, Ford Escape, Honda Odyssey and Sierra 1500. The autos all had a 2 or 3 mpg bump while the 5.3l maxed out at a 2 mpg bump. Not sure if it pays for itself in mileage but I have not had a small engine problem in the 5 years I have been using it. Also use their diesel additive in my tractors, much less black smoke. No, I don’t have any connections to them, just a good product line.
@@PapaA7145 I got, consistently, 32 mpg during the summers, but then I put Crossclimate2 tires on, and...well...I now have more road noise and less MPG. Grips like a spooked cat on a carpet during our Cleveland Ohio snows, so it's all a giveandtake. I do use Lucas fuel additive from time to time and other cleaning stuffs. I find the ambiant temp has more say over my mpg now that any non-gasoline fluid I add to the tank. Even then, 27.5 average over 1.5 years is not terrible. And I have 45mpg on my motorcycle during the spring-summer-fall. 🏍️😎
I’m not a fanboy of any brand but Subarus are great. I live in Connecticut and my wrx has gotten me safely to work in the middle of every blizzard we get. Iv treated it well and it’s treated me well. Love it.
In the spring of 1971 while a junior in high school my father was so impressed with the Subaru FF1 that he bought one for me. I loved it! He liked it so well that he began buying Subarus for himself in 1972. Since my first one I never even considered any other passenger car and just bought my ELEVENTH one (2024 Outback Touring). I LOVE Subaru!
In 1975, my Dad surprised me with my 1st car after getting my license. I was like, what the heck is this? Why not a Toyota, like everyone else!!..lol..He wanted me safe..I just got my 2nd Subaru, in remembrance of him. So, my 1st & hopefully last car; will be a Subaru..
I have been a homebuilt airplane enthusiast for several decades now. If you go to the EAA Oshkosh fly-in (one of the largest in the world), you will find that Subaru boxers are the most popular automotive engine conversions. If someone is willing to fly with that engine, I will drive one around.
For me, the Subaru Outback is the best long distant road trip car. Comfort, space and ride quality. I drive from my home in CT to all over the eastern US from Maine to FL, the Carolinas, Louisiana, Texas and up to eastern Canada. It has never failed me on long trips. I'm on my third Outback, the 2023 Onyx edition with the normally aspirated 2.5 engine. My favorite engine. The Eyesight system with adaptive cruise make long trips comfortable. The 30 mpg gas mileage make trips affordable. I usually drive 30K-35K miles per year. I change my oil and rotate my tires every 5K miles, follow SOA recommended service and add CVT drain and fill at 60K. My local Subaru dealer services my Outback as I know the mechanics and service advisors well. I enjoy your channel.
I just got a 2024 Outback Onyx with the 2.5. I love it. Once I saw they added the Harmon Kardon for 24 I got it. I live in northern Wisconsin and it does amazing on the winter roads here this past winter. I am coming from a turn ranger and I truly8 do not even miss having a turbo. It does great for me. I don't drive.a ton. maybe 8,000 a year. Lov it so far!
@@drn13355 Good choice. I love the seat material of the Onyx edition over the leather that I had in my 2019 LTD. The leather didn't wear well with all the seat time I put it through. So far, the Onyx seats are not showing any signs of wear. I came to Subaru from VW and Audi. I don't miss the VW poor reliability that I experienced. I think you will love driving your Onyx as much as I do.
If we owned either one of these 2024 Camry/Corolla; Honda Accord/Civic Hybrids and or Subaru; and keep recommendations on Maintenance = Will last us until newer Fuels like Ethanol and/or Hydrogen = where we even have better fuel efficiency and better Environmentally C02 Emissions... Subaru originally was an Aircraft Manufacturer Company that together with Mitsubishi built Kamikaze Planes during WW II; and the Legacy/Outback and Mitsubishi Lancer version have always been the winning Champion in Rally WC... For Airplanes, Horizontal Boxer-type Engines will make Planes flying better controlled ... Their 4WD and now AWD with Differential-Lock System will deliver better Safety at low cost "on OFF-road" conditions like the CrossTrek. These little CRV Compact but more efficient than a Toyoda RAV4 Trail (Trim). CrossTrek Wilderness TCO and Applications are much better than others. Regards,
You can say the same with a lot of cars. I’m from Springfield MA but mostly lived in the Newington CT area. I too travel the entire east coast over the course of 9 years as deep south as the Mexican border and as far north as Montreal Canada. The difference? I do the same trips in a 2014 RAV4 and a 2015 Forester both accumulating roughly 430,000 miles. The two vehicles often trade spots moving southbound and back up with on average 12 trips per year. Religious on the maintenance and even plenty of winter prep for the North, but now I had to retire the Subaru and keep it in the south because the rust belt was too much for it. Fortunately Subaru has been amazingly accessible in their parts and maintenance department so getting parts for older vehicles is easy. As I’m typing this, I’m currently replacing the the Forester’s hub bearings on the rear wheels because the entire back plate rusted off which led to premature brake failure on the break pads wheels. Unfortunately corroded bearings cannot be saved with how stuck the hub is to the knuckle. Never had to do anything to the RAV 4, and thats the one that currently travels to Yale and back for the past 3 years for one of my kids.
Great to hear that you are enjoying your Outback! I see in your comment that you change the CVT fluid every 60k miles. Is this something you do yourself or do you have the dealer do it? Thanks!
Long time Toyota owner here (Camry & 4Runners). In 2019 we went to the Toyota dealer to buy a new one and were a bit disappointed because they just felt “cheap and plasticy” to us for some reason. While we were standing around, we noticed a used Outback that they had on the lot that really felt nice and solid. The next day (after talking to our mechanic) we bought a new one at the Subaru dealer. We absolutely love it to this day. We’ve had zero issues and it’s a great road car. 👍
Toyota unfortunately has a Lexus to sell you, so if you want a decent interior, Toyota will tell you to spend way more money and get a Lexus. While Subarus in the touring trim, often feel just as nice as base model premium brand equivalents.
The only car I ever want from Toyota again is another Camry, it still somewhat feels like the same car as they've always built. I think everything else tries to price you into a big expensive model or into a Lexus, I really don't like it. Base models feel horrible and anything extra like AWD they really tack on the $$$. All the stuff i want and is important can be found in any base model Subaru and the extra trims are more so like leather seats, sunroof, etc are just luxury for me. Not many manufacturers do this.
@seraphim1833 My wife and I have both a Subaru and Honda. While the AWD on the Subaru is better on paper, in the real world for our usage it makes no difference.
Toyota's AWD is getting better, in years past, the AWD on their small and midsize SUV'S was just pathetic. Recent test between a TRD RAV4 and a Crosstrek Wilderness in deep snow, the Crosstrek was much better, the AWD system in the RAV4 overheated....
@@steve8803 that must be mild then, or just going to grocery stores, my wife has a Honda Civic I have a forester, on snowy days, especially going up our street, which is a bit of an incline. There is a huge difference, the Honda struggles that’s for sure.
Go to any mountain town and notice all the Subarus. With the right tires my Subaru is unstoppable in the snow. Driven home in deep snow uphill and it kept going. Superior.
@@stopthebs77 Oh yeah, even with crappy tires, I drove in a really bad snowstorm just fine wile other were in the ditch everywhere along the road. great cars
I bought the 2022 WRX and now a 2024 Outback. It is shocking how good they both handle. Especially the Outback. It’s so comfortable and handles like a sport car. Crazy ❤
2024 must be massively different than the 2012. My wife has a 2012 Outback and I can't stand driving it - it handles like a whale. I had a 2002 WRX that I was happy with and was thinking of getting another one (until Subaru decided in 2011 that WRX should be manual-only in the US (don't think that decision lasted long)).
@@valladolid0711 Agree to disagree. The only reason to get a manual at this point is if you prefer a manual. It used to be that manual's were more efficient than automatics but that is no longer true (often a modern automatic is better than a manual).
I’ve had Toyotas for 30 years but always wanted a Subaru. I bought my Outback limited new in 2016. Best car ever. I love the flat 4 engine. Outstanding ride, handling and comfort. Bulletproof reliability after 96,000 miles. The confidence in any weather here is northern Ohio is amazing. I’m sold.
Just wait until you get over 150k miles on it - it will start burning oil like crazy. Almost all vehicles will be without any issues under 100k miles if you take good care of them. Once you get near 200k miles is when you will find out how reliable or unreliable it really is.
@@NATEG01you own one? If you’re so knowledgeable where are you getting this information? You are actually misinformed. Don’t worry there are plenty of subjective comments, your theory is actually flawed since I do know someone that has a 2016 Forrester 230,000 miles everything you said is incorrect. Not surprised at all. You have a wonderful day.
I got into Subarus because of their safety record when searching for used cars for my daughters and fell in love. My whole family drives them now. So easy to work on compared to every other vehicle I have owned. Such a confident handling vehicle in ALL weather. All but one of mine have over 250k miles (refreshed Mr Subaru style w/MLS gaskets), and they perform like new still, although they are starting to show their age from everyday use. Happy Trails.
trying to get my brother out of the FORD ESCAPE mentality and over the past weekend i showed him all the you tube videos and reviews on the Subaru's and he went to a review on the new Escapes and he was so upset . after seeing the reviews on the Subies ,, he , i hope is sold.,.. he wants a RED FORESTER TOURING.. and i said, you go my bro.. can't wait to see you drive up in a RED SUBARU!
At,75 years old,if you would of told me I would be driving a 4 cylinder Japanese car,back in 1963 at 15 years old when I started driving,I would of told you ,that you were nuts!Have had,Subaru outback’s,a 2006,2015,2020,and now a 2024,these cars handle like sports cars at high speeds,and when I was working at midway airport in Chicago,before I retired,close to 2 feet of snow no one was on the road,my outback,with just all season tires,no kidding speed limit at 40 mph,that outback did 40,stuck to the road,like a glove!Again 3 big guys,all our gear,a car top soft carrier,800 miles up to 150 miles north of Thunder bay Ontario Canada,we’re we catch a sea plane,to take us into the bush,for hunting and fishing,quests what,comfortable,and over 30 miles to the gallon,just a regular,4 cylinder,2.5 no turbo,ladies and gentlemen,presenting my brand new,Subaru,outback premium,in Autumn green metallic,great color greater car,eat your hearts out!Thomas A.Filipiak Palos Hills Illinois19 May 2024!
If I lived up that side I'd definitely have a Subaru too ! I spent 14 months in North Bay with a record winter in '93 ! No such weather in the Caribbean but I started with a 1985 Subaru 700, then a 1991 Subaru M80 (Rex), '85 L-Series (Leone) iGT, '91 J-12 (Justy), 2007 Impreza S-GT (JDM WRX), and now an '06 Outback and 2012 Tribeca 😊. The only odd ducks were and Austin Metro after returning from North Bay (all I could afford) and a 2007 Isuzu D-Max which was awesome. But it's Subaru for me !
... I'm in your age group and comparing what we drove back then , my '23 Forester W drives like a formular 1 Indy car with the advantage of safety , as in if I have a stroke it'll stop by itself lol ...
That 2.5 motor was the best motor subaru ever made. The 2.0 would give me a little over 200,000 miles but the 2.5 impreza bought in 2005 still runs like a new car with 220,000 miles!
@@MrSubaru1387 We/I knew Subaru GL since 1981; Drove one from my friend... Then 1987 XT Turbo 4WD, with Dashboard and Steering Wheel like an Airplane or the new Subaru WRX 2024... We had Legacy 1992 Model L but special built so = the Timing Belt on it last us, originally since 1992 - 2019; Changed oils every 6 months and/or coming back from a Long Trip. Changed Radiator Coolant every Winter begin... 💏💏 The Legacy was stolen last May 2023; otherwise would still be our Groceries Driven. Of course we have other Newer OB Made in USA not as good but has no major Repair Costs. TCO nothing compared in Winter Time and Deep Freeze Minus 40°C/F like this January 2024. Of course they can't be compared with Lexus higher-end Trims but Easy to maintain on your own; change oil, change Radiator Fluids... Sparkplugs ... Only draw backs are CV-axels of Horizontal Boxer Type with high-torque = tend to be worn out faster, but TCO overall and Comfortable nothing compared... Cheers,
We were a Toyota family, while growing up, and I continued for a while, until we had kids and bought a Honda Odyssey to fulfill their needs, had 3 Odysseys and 2 CRVs over the years. A few years ago we bought a gently used 2013 Legacy to accommodate my 6’ 8” son. We have since bought 2 Foresters and an Ascent. We’re now a fully Subaru family, two of my friends have also recently bought Ascents.
First time Subaru owner here. 2021 Outback. I am super sold on all the safety features of this vehicle. It has saved my butt a few times. I can’t wait for a hybrid or plug-in hybrid Outback to emerge, I will definitely be getting in line to buy one.
Back in 2021 I traded in my 2016 Ford Focus hatchback for a used 2020 Crosstrek Premium. I instantly fell in love with it. Was highly impressed when I took it on a road trip to Florida. I swore that I would never own another car brand for the rest of my life. I owned that 2020 Crosstrek until this past November just before Thanksgiving I went back to the Subaru dealership and traded it in on a brand new 2024 Crosstrek.
I live in Ottawa, Canada, one of the coldest capitals in the world. We can sometimes get crazy amounts of snow. Up to a couple of feet of snow, I can drive my 2012 Forester through it as if it wasn't there. More than that, it takes a little bit more skill in driving. 🙂 But I am sure that my Forester saved my life last year. I was coming back from a camp ground. It has been raining on and off all day. I was travelling along around 100 kph with the wide open road ahead of me, then suddenly, I was looking directly at a lamp post in front of me! I must have hit and hydroplaned...and was going sideways at highway speeds! If it had been a car with a higher center of gravity, I may have rolled. But I was able to turn into the skid, and was able to recover and continue on my way. That low center of gravity was a life saver!
Same thing happened to me in my wrx in a snowy road. Just suddenly I was sideways in the road for no real reason. Could almost get control back but was fish tailing and going faster and faster. I turned into the skid, punched the gas, and she straightened right out......needed to clean my pants after that but the car did it!
Don't mean to be that guy, but you shouldn't be going 100kph on a wet or snowy road. That's supposed to be common sense. I'm glad you're fine but next time drive for the conditions, 50 kph is the max you should go in rain and the snow (ideally less) and I personally never exceed 80 kph on a road that isn't warm and dry.
@@I-didnt-ask-you - No, be that guy. I see it all of the time -- people think because they have AWD or 4WD they can go fast in snow or rain and don't have to slow down like us mere mortals in FWD. AWD doesn't save you from hydroplaning or sliding off the road when you hit a patch of ice. I see plenty of AWDs and 4x4's in ditches during storms for that very reason.
Toyota makes the best 4x4’s in the world (Land Cruiser), while Subaru makes the best AWD. Some may conflate the two terms. If you’re doing serious off-roading in the wilderness, you want a Land Cruiser / Lexus LX. For everything else, Subaru is the way to go.
Audi would like a word about that... Subaru is absolutely the (close) second best AWD (and costs way less than Audi). At least this was true in 2011 (when I did a ton of research into AWD systems).
I’ve had a Toyota Camry and a Corolla in the past and they were tanks - no issues. When searching for a new car in ‘23 Toyota’s were just too expensive. I test drove a turbo Subaru Outback XT and it was really nice. After owning it for a year I can tell you it is a great car especially in the snow and rain. For what I paid for the turbo I couldn’t even buy a base Highlander. It’s been awesome (so far), plus my 3 dogs can fit in the back!
I was a Subaru fanboy bc of the WRX. I've owned several of them thereafter. I spent alot of money on them and they seem to break when I need it the most. I went to Lexus and have owned several now, and I will never go back to another brand again. You get no surprises and always have peace of mind, whether going on a spontanous road trip or just going around town. Best brand ever!!!
Actual Scotty has been saying some good things about Subaru and he speaks highly of the brands AWD system. He also talks about how the head gasket issue is a thing of the past.
Proud owner of a 2017 Forester Premium. Added full skid plates, A/T Tires and a hitch, and have enjoyed forest roads in the North Carolina mountains, and numerous road trips. Never fails me, always gets me through and gets me home. Started something in our extended family. We now have eight Subarus covering most of the model line in the family. They all love them. Been to local Subaru Clubs and Subifest South several times. You are right. Have met a lot of great folks at these events. Thanks for defending the brand. Love your channel.
@@dylanschmidt4607 Mine is an NA. 82K well maintained miles. Only replaced rear wheel bearing at 78K and rear brake pads at 72K, BTW, adding STI 19mm rear stabilizer bar was a very good handling upgrade.
Long-time Toyota owner, recent Subaru (2020 Outback) owner. The TCV issue is sad but I did get the extended warranty letter for that, and I'm looking forward to dash lights firing up soon so that I can use that warranty. I don't like the battery draining every 2 years but yeah. I don't like the auto-stop but I can turn that off. I don't like the touch screen for everything but that's how cars go now. I like the 4-wheel drive [Edit- AWD, I know]. Overall, I've become cool with my Subaru. Odd that I don't have any of these issues with my other three Toyota's
I watch The Car Care Nut on TH-cam, and while he doesn't knock the brand he always gives Toyota's a higher rating overall. Since we don't live in the north, probably staying Toyota.
there is a software update to deal with the battery issue - the ecu turns the alternator off to save gas on a pretty aggressive algorithm that the consequence is too many charge and discharge cycles - ever notice when you first start the motor whether engine hot or cold and it runs high rpm? that to recharge the calculated starter drain - then it shuts alternator off and car runs off the battery - so dumb. just like the auto star/stop - probably saves you. gallon of gas a YEAR at the expense of wear and tear - also dumb. at least the dealer will install a patch to tame the alternator issue
I had a 2012 forester I bought new. I liked it well enough, but two issues. 1. Minor. The head shield around parts of exhaust would collect snow in winter and freeze to ice and rattle. 2. Major. If you drove more than say 7,000 miles and then had a tire ruined by a road hazard you had to buy 4 new tires not 1 tire. I know.. I did not believe the tire shop or the dealer and so I called Subaru and they said yes. 4 new tires because if there is more than 2/32 difference between the tires. The transaxle will spin at different speeds and wear out or break.
I had nothing but issues with my Toyota, so count yourself lucky. As for the TCV, it seems like a weaker point but doesn’t mean you will have issues, but if you do Subaru made it right. Toyota fought their brake and sludge issues as hard as they could.
My first Car was an Subaru 2001 H6-3.0 And i love the Comfort and the smooth driving. It has the Power if you like to drive aggressively. It has a lot of space to pack some Bags etc. I still drive it every Day, and its always a pleasure. I love my „Gisela“. :)
We just got a 24 Outback Touring XT and we absolutely love it. It rides great, the sound system is great, the infotainment system takes some getting used to but we're getting the hang of it. My only beefs are the city mpg isnt great and the driver recognition system correctly identifies you about half the time.
@@Mr00934auto is only for beginners and unless your an invalid, not part of the conversation. Autos belong in a conversation I am not in. Every brand has a lot of wrecked car's! But if most other car's did what Subaru does, they would have a lot more wrecked car's. Subaru is designed to only get wrecked if your performing an extreme stunt!! Manual is superior in every way 😊 It is also way more FUN 😂
@@martinr8278 Hard disagree. My 2014 Corolla’s CVT is still working perfectly today. That car is driven by my son since we pulled if off the lot late 2013.
I've driven plenty of difficult trails here in Utah and I am continually amazed at the places I see Subarus especially old Outbacks. It is inspiring. Tons of people I love are diehard Subaru people and for good reason. BTW I'm a Toyota guy and my dad raised us in a Jeep... Thank you, MrSubaru. ☮️
My wife's 2022 outback wilderness avoided a sudden stopping car and steered her to the side of the road . And she was feeling safer today after she knows what she is driving We love our Subaru
The OBW won't steer you away, but will brake hard before you can even react. Your wife probably steered herself after the car braked first. I own a 2022 OBW.
I just bought my 4th Subaru. My first was an Outback that was rear-ended by a Honda, and I was propelled into a Cedar grove. The Honda ended up on a flat bed, I drove my Subaru 4 hours home. It was totaled as it had damage to every quarter. They are tough and safe, and they handle winter driving like no other vehicle.
Yes, I have to agree with you, I had a 2007 Subaru Outback bought brand new and had it for ten years. I saw the commercials about "love" what makes a Subaru, and you know what I surely fell in love with it the longer I had it. I live in NYC and tried to get it stuck in the snow and just ended having a lot of fun in the process. I was a bit disappointed when they went with the CVT transmission because I had the old tried and true automatic with a real manual mode. And man that was fun!! Now I miss my subie and seriously thinking of getting a plain trim Forester with none of the big screens or electrical mumbo jumbo garbage.
The best thing I like about my Subaru is that the high mileage ones as cheap. I bought my first one for $250.00 with a seized engine. Installed a $650.00 scrap yard engine with 80 Kmiles. Followed your videos and did a refresh and it has been going strong ever since. Then bought a 160k 2017 outback that Subaru said that it needed a $11K tCVT. Got it for $3.5K. Changed the fluid and did a transmission reset and going good. The more other brand owners talk down Subarus the better deals I get. Next problem is people to see Subarus getting better all the time.
I would add another item to the list. I currently own a Forester, a Legacy, and 2 Toyota RAV4s. They are all great vehicles, including the Toyotas, which have been very reliable. However, the Toyotas feel like soulless appliances. The Subarus just have a unique and engaging feel to them that the Toyotas lack.
live in Colorado and I am late 60yrs old. My family's first Subaru was a used 2018 (1 year old) Impreza. Then came a new 2019 Ascent, a new 2023 Ascent, a new 2022 Outback Onyx and a 2015 WRX modified. I guess I have been sold on Subaru.
Had a trim piece fall off the Forester. The dealer said that parts falling off the car was not covered by warranty even though there was no road damage in the area. Emailed Subaru and they sent me a check for the cost of the replacement part.
Bought a brand new 2017 WRX… never turned back.. now with a 2014 Impreza wagon, 2020 STI, 2024 Forrester… very easy to work on.. hardest maintenance piece was replacing a transmission solenoid (do your transmission service !) on 2014 impreza…
We have both. A 2021 Venza Limited and a 2023 Forester Wilderness. The Toyota is more refined in its drive in terms of quiet ride and features (almost entry level luxury) whereas the Forester is a great "everything" vehicle. The Toyota gets fantastic fuel economy (since it's a hybrid) but the Subaru has better in city driving characteristics (lighter steering, smaller turning circle). The Subaru was also almost $10k less expensive as well. We love both of them and are very happy with them, but they are very different vehicles even though they are both crossovers.
The hybrids are such logical cars, sigh, but the Venza space in back is markedly limited by the small opening, required to make the Venza attractive, I guess. I wanted a used Venza, with 43K miles on it, but was startled by the MRSP mark up of $5K on a used car. They didn't hide it, just slapped it the quote they gave me. I chose to keep my old car. I can buy a lot of years of gas for that $5K. I would believe the Subaru to be more practical than the Venza. However, next year the Toyota Hybrid system will be available in Subaru's, of course. I expect them to have MSRP mark up as well. You have to give Toyota credit for sticking to it's guns in the face of the electric car craze. No one is really arguing that Toyota's are bad cars, they just have a reputation for not being emotion driven purchases. Subaru's have more emotion based purchasing, in my opinion. But I still think the CVT requires significant maintenance to last, much more than traditional transmissions. All about the mileage, I know. The new touchscreen in catching a lot of flak from reviewers, too.
@@user-handlethetruth The CVT in Subarus doesn't really require more maintenance, it just needs a flush and fill every 60,000 miles (100,000 kms). That is likely similar to what should be done with regular automatics as well. One may argue that the Subaru vehicles might be a little more needy to get the maintenance done, but it's something that should be done regardless. I likely would have bought a RAV-4 Hybrid but they aren't available (long waiting list) and I got lucky that this one was on the lot when I was there. A similar thing happened last year when we got the Forester, it was only on the lot because someone on the waiting list changed their mind, so we grabbed it, which worked out perfectly. Neither dealer added any extra markup or fees, just MSRP (which is the norm for Toyota and Subaru anyway) and we actually got fair value for the trade. We've been very happy with both vehicles.
I drive a 2012 2.5 Outback, 159M miles. I am still patiently waiting for my car to start using oil (Still does not use a drop, never has). I am still waiting for that CVT trans to fail me (Still performs flawlessly). I am still waiting for creaks, noises and air leaks to compromise the ride experience (Never has). I guess I will have to keep driving this car for several more years so I have a reason to sell it. Oh well....
Currently 72 years old and up to 2013 drove nothing but Chevys. The last Chevy I owned was a 2009 4x4 Colorado king cab. Had nothing but trouble with it, drivetrain , engine, brake system, cooling system. Purchased a 2013 Outback put 310 thousand miles on it with no issues. Traded it in 21 for a 2021 Forester sport . Have put 52 thousand miles on so far with no issues.
Agree, and with your statement that no engine is immune to having some type of problem. I had a 2009 Camry LE that was among similar edition Camrys with an oil leak that Toyota never fixed as a warranty or recall issue, at least not when my oil leak became notiecable. So, even the TCV issue doesn't dissaude me from owning a Subaru because everything else I know about and have experienced with them has been so overwhelmingly positive. If it become an issue, I'll deal with it and my positive opinions about my Subaru won't change. Great channel, great content, outstanding expert content creator, thank you!
Worked at toyota for 10+ years. My first car was a 90 Toyota Corolla then I got my hands on bmw 86 e30 then 2 e36 couple of years ago one of the techs at the dealer sold his 08 Subaru legacy with 140k on the engine and I love my subi I live in the east coast so tha all wheel drive is great on the snow. Both brands have their pros and cons but I think Subaru beats Toyota on safety. And bnw wheel the older models are great but todays bmw are hard to work on. Anyway love my subi thinking of buying one for my wife.
I have been a toyota guy since 1986 with my first 4x4 pick-up. Loyal as can be. We helped my son decide on a 2021 crosstrek as his first new car. It was not a thing i feared. I have worked on many subarus in my years in collision repair. Alway thought they were comparable in quality in that respect to toyotas. My first subaru was 2 years ago when I bought a 2014 crosstrek as a salvage rebuilder. It went back together very easily and drives well now after 2 years with 108k on it now. My current project is a 2016 crosstrek limited for my daughter's first car. I'm dealing with the transmission control module replacement right now. Other than that, the repairs are easy, mostly because of my years of experience. I've watch a handful of you videos and must say, I have the confidence to tackle the transmission valve body myself. Thank you for your expertise and easy to follow TH-cam content. Much appreciated.
I own a 2020 4Runner and 2014 Subaru Outback and I get just as much enjoyment from the Outback and from people complementing on the way it looks ( I keep my cars in great condition). They're different animals but great fun. Ive owned both from new.
EJ25 head gaskets, soured me for life. We've had 2 new Subaru's, 1995 & 2005. Replaced the head gaskets at 135,000, now it uses 2 quarts in 4,000 miles with Synthetic oil. The EJ22 was bullet proof.
Back in June 2021 I traded in my 2017 Corolla LE for a 2018 RAV4 LE, absolutely enjoyed them both. I also wanted something with AWD, more room for cargo & for reliability. Never really thought about Subaru until this year. With interest rates at an all-time high, I saw that Subaru or their financed side of things were running 2.9% APR on the Foresters. Well, I'm a proud new owner of 2024 Subaru Forester Base Model. It now has a little over 800 miles & I will be doing the first oil change at 1,000 miles.
My sister's family has two Subarus at this point. A 2018 Outback and a 2024 Crosstrek. The other day I was looking at used car adds......and found a 1996 Subaru Legacy Wagon. It was soooo cheap!! I figured it had to have bad head gaskets and lots more wrong with it!! On a whim, I went to see it . Drove it, checked for overheating.....no problems found!! It had 255000 miles! Now 1200 miles later the ac is cold, the cruise works, heat works and tires are good. Wheelbearing s are a bit noisey and it must have rebuilt axles in it . The right front is noisey when hot. But it's my shopping and backroad burner!! Good country and dirt road car. Fits right in with my Dodge pickup and my Chevy Malibu. It ain't pretty but a good runner!! The old owner filled it up and delivered it to me!! Nice folks here in Ole' Virginny!! Cheers Y'all!! P/s.....got historic plates with lifetime registration and no inspection!! I may turn the whole fleet antique!! Hahaha 😆
Had an 02 forester s for 20 years. Door seals, head gasket, electrical gremlins, leaky sunroof, heavy break wear, timing belt, faulty ground, rattly heat shields, heavy tire wear, oxygen sensors that only last 6 months,premature driveshaft wear, thumpy transmission, constant fluid leaks that destroyed the driveway....it was a car that required at least 2000$ a year in maintenance per year just to keep it on the road...and it had the worst cupholder of any car I have ever driven!! Still went to 300kkm before we sold it and bought a Volvo wagon. Wouldn't buy another subaru but was still a great car. My 08 Yaris with 320kkm has only had regular maintenance, tires every 4 years and one set of brakes in that time. Toyota crush all challengers for reliability by a wide margin. No contest. Wouldn't buy another Volvo either despite the lifechanging seats and immense raw power as the maintenance costs are astronomical and mechanical quality and design are even below the Subaru (fit and finish is top notch though)
@@rickywinthropsounds like a neglecting owner….any vehicle that is maintained will go a long time. Toyotas have a plethora of issues also. It all comes down to driving habits and service. Seems like there are more comments through this feed providing facts on the reliability of Subarus and other problems with Toyotas.. hmmmm hope that helps you. Good day
I’ve only ever owned Subarus (4) and Hondas (2). We keep our cars for a very long time, usually until they are at least teenagers. My most recent purchase is our “retirement” car, a 2024 Subaru Forester Touring. Love, love, love it! Previous Subaru was a Certified PreOwned 2013 Outback Base model purchased in 2015. Very good car though it lacked some basic technology features I would have liked. Sold that recently to friends who needed a car at their cabin. We started married life with a new 1995 Subaru Legacy LS AWD wagon. Lots of multi state road trips, camping trips, desert hikes, and plenty of SoCal street and highway driving for 18 years! The interior plastic bits were falling apart when I traded it, but engine was still going strong. My very first car was a 1984 Subaru GL FWD Hatchback purchased in NYS but mostly driven in NC (no A/C, that was hard to endure!). I learned to be wary of and avoid mechanics who said “golly, the spare’s in the front!?”. My only complaint about the two Hondas I have owned since they were new (a 1992 Civic HB until it was rear-ended at 14 years & a repainted 2007 Fit that my 25 YO son currently drives) is the Honda paint can’t handle the SoCal sun. It oxidizes and fades/becomes chalky super fast. Otherwise, IME Hondas run without a hiccup for a very long time with just basic service. I love the Hondas I’ve had, but I still prefer driving a Subaru.
I was just driving on a highway yesterday at 80 mph, and a coyote crossed the road out of nowhere! I was driving my parent´s 23 Forester and I just dodged it like I was going 25 mph, no issues, no drama, just steered my way around the animal. I am SOLD on that AWD system!!!
@@MrRensan404 that’s too bad, a flawed brand well, they were good up to about 15 years ago. Glad you were just writing about Toyota since the comment was about how well the trusted Subaru, reliability and durability is an every car Subaru makes. It pays to really read. Have an awesome day…… don’t let anything cross in front of your vehicle. Looks like you’ll probably get into an accident.
@@Gopinathk17everyone has their opinion. I owned a rav in 98. Not a bad little suv. I’ve also owned a crv and now a forester. Got to say the crv and forester were better in several ways then Toyota. You’re addressing the same things most brands are ranked high in so it’s equal ground. Honda can say the same…..Subaru can say the same just like Toyota. Spin terms of reliability, mpgs and resale….Subaru are in the top also. Be objective….not subjective.
@@martinr8278 Everyone has opinions but when it comes to the reality, the statistics speak the facts. Also it's human tendency that whatever they own they try to argue that it is great, that's why we go by the reviewers and neutral people. When I was owning Nissan Rogue I used to argue that its the best. Honestly, I never had any issues with it but I didn't use it for long so I don't know, May be in the long run I may have seen some issues. Toyotas and Lexus are still definitely holding the best reliability, mpgs(Hybrid trims) and resale values. That's an undeniable fact that most of the reviewers accept. 5-10 years ownership costs of Rav4 is much lesser than Subaru or any other competitor in that class. Also, its not fair comparing a 98 Rav4 with some latest generations Forester. I drove both 2023 forester and Rav4 hybrid Xle..no comparison at all, the hybrid trim of rav4 is much quicker, quieter and smoother and it's touching 40 mpgs combined. Subarus are great in their own way but Toyotas shine in those terms that I mentioned.
Love my Subaru Forester XT. On my second one now, we're putting on about 22K per year and we love it. Great dealers here in Minnesota. Couldn't be happier with the Subarus and their dealer support and maintenance.
Former Toyota Rav4 2008 Owner now Subaru Forester 2023 owner. My Rav4 traded it in at 117k. Replaced the master brake cylinder 3x, Brake Boost, Head gasket 2x oil leaking, burned oil A LOT. Toyota had a notice but no recall on the possible fix. Toyota's solution was to fill oil, tape the dip stick and IF the oil was burned they would replace the oil ring. But only after the test. Oil burning was getting worse. Been happy with my Subaru. First AWD. So far so good.
wow. My friend Doug sold his Rav 4 with 189,000 to the dealer for 12k and got a new one. They discovered a bad oil leak that cost $4000 to fix after they bought it. HA. He dodged that one I guess. My Toyota Matrix had gone through 9 calipers on the rear counting the two left on it. And 4 on front (counting the second set still on). I decided I didn't want to deal with that shit anymore and went with a subaru after I crashed my Matrix and drove it away after a bad nose dive into a ditch... miracle it did as little damage as it did. Did enough it's not worth fixing but still basically looks undamaged from the front.
My wife has a 2010 Rav4. I've always been the one to drive it on long road trips and I honestly hate it. I never liked how it handled or drove. It has been a reliable vehicle though, with very few problems. I got myself a 2024 OBW back in September. It has become our road trip car and is my daily driver. It handles so much better, is much more comfortable, has more interior space and it's much more responsive than the Rav4 ever was even on day one.
Passed on my 2012 Outback to my daughter 7 years ago. Now 170K miles and she's selling it to her boy friend. I live Litchfield Hills of northwest Connecticut. Either going up hill or down hill. Not 100 yards of flat in the county. Lots of snow. Always surrounded by half dozen Subarus of some kind out here. They're like pets. Every family's got one.
How I wish we had honest mechanics like you in Kenya ... Finding one in this side of the world is as hard as trying to MILK A BISON BULL . Even the certified mechanics from SUBARU KENYA are just a fraud .... I have learned so much from your channels , Whenever I need a service I usually go with my computer to their shop and open the channel for them to follow ... and they get very agitated... THANK YOU BROTHER
I own all 3, including an old Honda. The Sub. is newest, and I bought it for my wife because of how well she enjoyed driving it. The outward visibility of the 2018 Forester is awesome. The fact most of the door lock actuators have gone out isn't so impressive. (80,000 miles) We'll see if it ever reaches the miles of our old Toyota, and Honda. How often do you recommend changing CVT fluid? I think it was the Car Wizard that recommends every 20-25,000 miles.
I like how you referenced Scotty without mentioning his name. Current Toyota owner here but I like Subarus because of their AWD and strong body shell/frame that might be helpful in a collision. I notice that you did not mention the latter in your video.
I have a forester, wife has an outback and my daughter has a Crosstrek and it is like a family. I’ve worked on owned Toyotas, Hondas, GM, Chrysler, Subaru etc… nothing about our Subarus feel cheap, well made, lots of thought put into cvt, engine, differential layout, most everything feels really well made. Hard to beat really, excellent quality at a god price point, good on gas with AWD, almost all out the door with AWD.
10 year owner of a 2006 Subaru STI in the UK. Over here we know if you want fun and performance its a Subaru, However there is no question if you don't want problems and great reliability its Toyota for the win by far. The amount of 1990 Toyotas still going is crazy and over here with consent rain that's some feet.
Subaru and toyota collaborated on the ecvt used in the 2019-2023 crosstrek hybrid (and still essentially kept symmetrical awd but at the cost of no lower trunk space since the battery needed it), I expect it to return in MY2026.
Subaru Owner here with a great package, can't agree more. Sixth Suuby - all new except the Liberty 2000 (Liberty 2000 70K km, WRX STi 2004 - 60K km, Liberty 2006 - 280K km, Forester 2008 - 80K km, Outback 2011 ~85K km, Forester 2019 50K km) and can't imagine a better drive, they really make cars All For The Driver. Though, I have to admit the Forester CVT in 2019 has some lackluster acceleration and it's the first auto I've got from Subaru but reliable AF (except the TCV that I had to warranty at 40K kms late last year). The only issues I've had are the oil issues in the 2000s - Liberty and the WRX, 2019 - TCV on the Forester (EDIT: Which MrSubaru1387 just released a vide on last week!) Can't fault either brands for reliability though (at least in Australia) compared to the Euro brands here. Also, I don't think many cars got the ANCAP 5-Star Safety rating outside of the Subaru's in the mid-2000s. The community here is quite small (tho it's grown mid-2010s+) but most are adventurous & friendly.
I owned four new cars since 1980: Honda Prelude 1981-1992 229,000 miles. Mechanically sound, but the frame rusted out). Toyota Camry 1992-2007, 249,000 miles. I gave it to the neice to use going to nursing school. Pontiac G6 convertible 2007-2014 Beautiful lines on the G6 convertible, but this GM product had more warranty work than all my Japanese manufactured cars combined. Explains why Pontiac doesn’t exist anymore. Sold it to my friend when it hit 125,000 miles. 2012-present day. Subaru Outback. I replaced engine at 294,000 miles with a very good used engine. Car runs like new. I own an auto detailing company and the car looks new. Why spend 45k for a new one when a used engine installed is much less (engine and labor $6k)
I’m surprised you didn’t mention Toyotas part ownership of Subaru. That honestly is an awesome partnership having two good companies joining forces. I have enjoyed my Toyota GR86 which is basically a Subaru BRZ so far with the boxer engine. The AWD system from Subaru is great. We had a Crosstrek before the 86 and the AWD system was impressive.
With that partnership it certainly would have been nice for Subaru to put the Toyota D4S fuel system on all their recent motors not just the BRZ. My significant other got the 2019 Outback Limited with the 3.6 and multiport FI. Factory ordered with no sunroof or NAV saving almost $2K. Unfortunately a Subaru gremlin timing cover oil leak I caught just short of her warranty expiring. That was resealed under warranty and at least now 5,000 miles later seems to be holding. Always will be a concern but oh what a nice motor that’s smooth quiet and torquey. Pairs beautifully with the CVT and she’s averaging almost 26mpg. I love the car.
Heavy duty truck no….I’m a huge mini van lover and want to see a Subaru mini van in a Wilderness version 😆 I’d settle for an Outback with the Forester’s boxiness. Maybe an Ascent without a 3rd row seat but keep it the same size.
There is something for everyone in the Toyota's lineup but there is only one model I would pick over a Subaru, the Land Cruiser. Which, if we have to honest, is a legendary vehicle and has it's own separate chapter in the auto history books. Someone from my closest family visited us last month in a brand new RAV4, top trim, nearly all extras. When they asked me what I think (looking for approval?) I just said "Should've bought a Forester, or a Crosstrek. And please don't visit us in the winter, I'm not pulling you out".
Bought a new Toyota RAV 4, hated it! Had a trim piece fall off, the moon roof rattled, the engine would scream when taking off in traffic, and the brakes would squeal after I took it on dirt roads. Bought a new 2023 Subaru Forester, I love my Forester!!
Thanks for rebalancing the debate with this video. I went through a period of anger and frustration with my 2017 Forester over some of the notorious parts I'd had to replace (like the well known control arms and wheel bearing issues.) But now I have just pased 171000 miles on my car, checked the oil and doesnt burn or leak any more that when brand new (negligible.) The CVT remains flawless even though I only managed one fluid change at 105k. And this car with the all wheel drive and anti-lock braking SAVED MY ASS from catastrophic accidents three times including in an ice storm last April in upstate New York. So all in all, I made the right choice when my 1997 Jeep Cherokee died and I went to a Subaru dealer. Going for 200000 next. I need one more set of tires but that's OK. This car has always gotten me home.
We bought a 2016 RAV new to go along with our then 2011 outback. First winter, highway drive in the snow going up a fairly steep hill the RAV AWD system was constantly searching to find traction…flicking on and off and I could feel it in the way it drove. It was nothing like the outback in the snow. No sure footedness like you get in a Subaru. Decided right then and there that this was going to be short term ownership. June 2018 traded the RAV for a Crosstrek. The outback was replaced with a 2022 Forester. Nothing…absolutely nothing beats symmetrical AWD. Period. I’m a fan boy for a reason.
Yup, tires make a HUGE difference especially braking in snow. I now find just front wheel drive with 4 snows gets me to almost anywhere I need to be without drama. I do love Subaru’s AWD system though.
@@atticstatticwe drive with dedicated winter snow tires. At that time I had the best Michelin X Ice tires on the car. Believe me, there is a clear night and day difference between Toyota AWD and Subaru’s symmetrical AWD.
We have had 18 Subaru wagons (first was 1981) all bought used. AWESOME cars With the last two purchases in last two years for my boys were at 20 4x4 wagons . My MIL was sold from our experience , she buys new (shes 87) and on her 4 or 5th. So many stories over the years, slept in them all over the continent , coldest -28 air temp while ice climbing in the Adirondacks . We could make time in the craziest wimter weather. The 1981 had the cyclops "passing light" behind the front grill that a vacuum pulled the emble up to use it.
Lol I love this video Mr. Subaru. I'm leasing my 4th Subaru in over 15 yrs ( 2 Outback's then Ascent, back to Outback again ). However I also have a 2016 4Runner. All awesome vehicles. You also nailed it on the safety issues. Kept my Outback from hitting a dog. That would have broke my heart. But I guess Toyota's have all those safety apps now as well. I'll never get rid of my 4Runner, but Subaru's are great in my books. Btw great beard! Subscribed.
The key to comedy is timing. At the moment, I have a 2009 Outback and a 1999 Camry (like the white, lifted one) parked outside. The longitudinal engine and all-wheel drivetrain together make a much more pleasant drive. That generation of Camry, however, has a more comfortable driving position. I can't generalize on reliability because both were older, higher-mileage units when I got them.
In the mid 1990s we needed to trade our Ford Taurus. We went to a Subaru dealer and the salesman spent a lot of time explaining why a Subaru was good choice. We walked across the street to the Toyota dealer and all he did was badmouth Subaru. He did not provide one reason why his Toyota was better. We bought our first Subaru, a Legacy wagon. Then we bought a Tribeca. We bought a Ford Edge after that but then replaced it with an Ascent. In the mean time our son had a Forester that he loved. And we added a 2016 Legacy to the mix so I could reduce the miles I was putting on my truck. Great cars. Simple as that.
#5 community: I have two thoughts. 1. My hobby is cave exploring. We are a community because we rely on each other to keep each other safe while we explore caves. At least half of the cavers I know have Subarus. (Mostly Foresters and Outback’s, because often the caves are in very remote locations.) I remember one cave expedition where we all met at this wide spot on a US Forest Service road, and all five vehicles were Subies. 2. Shoutout to Orsini Design who offers a great selection of Subaru themed overlays on the line go plates on you favorite Subaru. I love the little California Flag bear on my key fobs.
I have owned two Toyota Siennas, both purchased used. One got 328k and the other got 430k miles. In 2019, I bought one of the first new Subaru Ascents, which I have truly enjoyed. I drive a lot for work. I have towed a 16-foot trailer that weighed something close to 5000 lbs. That's not the best feeling experience on the highway, but Ascent can do it, and is one of the reasons that I was attracted to Subaru. Jump forward 5 years, and I have 280k miles on the Ascent. I was hoping to get it to 400-500k miles, but I became less confident in that once I hit 250k miles. I was told that my oil pan was leaking. Supposedly, that leak was fixed for $1500, yet the car still smelled like burning oil after I got it back from the dealer. In part, I didn't care for the answers I got from the dealer. They fixed one leak but admitted later that there were more. On the plus side, I was able to drive 225k miles before changing the brakes. I still think it has the original spark plugs. The windshield cracked a few winters ago after I hadn't driven the car for a few weeks. I used the auto starter to melt some of the snow and ice off the windshield, and I'm guessing that when the car turned off and cooled down quickly without melting all the ice, the windshield cracked. The gasket around the original windscreen and replacement seems to fail/separate somewhat easily. I believe it was about $1200 to replace and calibrate the Eyesight system behind the glass. Most of the repair expenses have been covered by recalls. When the daytime running light burned out on one of the headlamps, I was mystified why the dealer didn't replace the bulb. After asking them to change the bulb 3x and not having it changed, they finally fessed up that the entire headlamp assembly had to be replaced at a cost of $1,000. Gone are the days of cheap lightbulbs. I have decided to return to Toyota. I'm buying a 2024 Highlander Hybrid. I actually wanted the new Land Cruiser or the Lexus 550, but they want a ridiculous amount of money for their base models with few creature comforts and mediocre to terrible gas mileage. Since I drive so much, I decided an AWD hybrid would be a good move. Question is, how long will the hybrid battery last before it needs replaced, and how good is the AWD system compared to Subaru? The Toyota costs more than Ascent, but I'll get 35 MPG instead of 25 with the Ascent, so my total cost of ownership should be less if it mechanically holds up. Another reason for the switch is I also don't like the fact that Subaru has done away with all the buttons in favor of the touchscreen system. I had a 2024 loaner car for several weeks, and I really disliked the system. What used to be so easy became really cumbersome and frustrating to use. Also, one of the tires on the nearly new loaner Ascent delaminated and rolled off the car while I was driving 70 MPH down the highway. Like any other Subaru owner, I get emails reminding me of service appointments. The last one I received said that my car was due for its 22.5 year checkup. Maybe I was asking too much of the Ascent. I really thought I would get a cool half million miles out of it, but I feel less confident of that today than a year ago. If you're wondering, yes, I'm keeping Ascent. It still looks nearly new despite the odometer. My son will take it to college because it's not worth much on the used market, and it should give us several more years of service.
My 02 Subaru legacy (liberty) has 302,000km on its 2L boxer engine N/A, only thing engine wise I've done is spark plugs, ignition leads, oil change, and recently valve cover gaskets. Other than that engine runs smick. Replaced clutch and clutch fork 2 years ago and they were original from 02. Keep up on maintenance and any engine will last forever
Everyone has the eyesight system today. Boxer engine is too hard to service meaning you pay more at the dealer. The all-wheel-drive system drags and releases the moment you go for the brake. Plus it's too picky on tire size matching. Brakes require a service to frequently and they can't be done by the average shop because of computer brake service mode. CVT requires service to frequently 60k according to my info.
76 thousand miles on my 2017 cross treck past month gasket replacement, oil leaks, had replace catalytic converter , and some thing they relaced some electrical issue. Fortunately i had a extended warranty. This is my first one and my last.
They need to make one real 4X4 with the symmetrical drive and a locking diff and disconnecting sway bar and bring back the manual Transmission or traditional automatic. If they made 1 forester model with these things they'd kill the jeep and truck market. Lift kit and off road tires optional they'd kill it even more. I have a Forester XT by the way I am a Subaru fan and i'd be even more of a fan but they need these options for mountain people. I'm always worried about my CVT.
Volkswagen community is pretty similar to the Subaru community. Really chill and generally free from super nutswinging measuring contests. Probably why I own VWs and Subarus
I had a Subaru and bought a VW. Never going back to VW again after this vehicle as it's had too many issues since I bought it. Never had a single issue with my Subaru and will buy another after this VW.
Yes I agree. Same! My main vehicles are a ‘97 VW Passat TDI 5 speed, and a Subaru 2007 Outback 5 speed. I love to talk with fellow Subaru owners off the road, and while driving I get quite a few peace signs, thumbs up and waves from VW guys!
I had a "chick basket" VW for a year or so and besides being a rattling bucket of bolts, we had lots of issues with it and the interior did not hold up.
Here in the PH, we use our toyota Hilux for hauling heavy items in our business. But for long family trips and city drives, I always use our Outback and Forester. Wife loves her forester. Also, Scotty Kilmer just bought a crosstrek last year and he loves it lol
I was a die hard Toyota guy right to the day the local dealer was going charge me $4,000 market adjustment on a 2023 RAV4 Hybrid that was 4 months late on delivery. Told them to keep their car and I’ll keep my money. Two days later we purchased a new 2023 Forester Premium off the lot for $9,000 less. Very happy being a new Subaru owner.
Many potential buyers torqued about Toyota salespeople raping buyers.
Toyota's are Toys Subey's are tops!
Family and friends all have subarus. But I was originally looking for a Rav4 Hybrid about a year ago and had the same experience with markups and borderline extortion-pricing on their hybrids. Went with a 2019 Outback and no car payment
I got the 2023 forester wilderness last July and absolutely love it.
That has caused a lot of defections from Toyota over the past few years...
No one else at work has a Forester. I do. I'm also the one that always gets to work, regardless of weather, sometimes showing up with a trailer or log splitter in tow, I'm the guy they ask for jumps from (as no one else carries or knows how to use jumper cables), my car is maintained both mechanically and in appearance, and I'm starting to get back to upper twenties in fuel efficiency, which I maxed out at 31.2 mpg back when I had better highway tires.
Oh, and it's a manual transmission. 🤓
Same here 2009 subaru forester xt...
New Forester Wilderness owner, so far it feels very solid. In your pursuit of better mpg I would try Archoil Gas Treatment. I believe it’s item # is 6200. It is a fuel stabilizer and treatment. I have used it for everything from weed eater, to large lawn mowers, Ford Escape, Honda Odyssey and Sierra 1500. The autos all had a 2 or 3 mpg bump while the 5.3l maxed out at a 2 mpg bump. Not sure if it pays for itself in mileage but I have not had a small engine problem in the 5 years I have been using it. Also use their diesel additive in my tractors, much less black smoke. No, I don’t have any connections to them, just a good product line.
@@PapaA7145 I got, consistently, 32 mpg during the summers, but then I put Crossclimate2 tires on, and...well...I now have more road noise and less MPG. Grips like a spooked cat on a carpet during our Cleveland Ohio snows, so it's all a giveandtake. I do use Lucas fuel additive from time to time and other cleaning stuffs. I find the ambiant temp has more say over my mpg now that any non-gasoline fluid I add to the tank.
Even then, 27.5 average over 1.5 years is not terrible. And I have 45mpg on my motorcycle during the spring-summer-fall. 🏍️😎
Lol...I used to think like you, then one day the light bulb went off, and I figured out I do not want to be the only one that gets to work.
@@Mach141 Oh, I don't WANT to get to work, but I have that whole "mortgage" thing, and due to poor reaction time, two kids to feed. 😭
I’m not a fanboy of any brand but Subarus are great. I live in Connecticut and my wrx has gotten me safely to work in the middle of every blizzard we get. Iv treated it well and it’s treated me well. Love it.
In the spring of 1971 while a junior in high school my father was so impressed with the Subaru FF1 that he bought one for me. I loved it! He liked it so well that he began buying Subarus for himself in 1972. Since my first one I never even considered any other passenger car and just bought my ELEVENTH one (2024 Outback Touring). I LOVE Subaru!
In 1975, my Dad surprised me with my 1st car after getting my license. I was like, what the heck is this? Why not a Toyota, like everyone else!!..lol..He wanted me safe..I just got my 2nd Subaru, in remembrance of him. So, my 1st & hopefully last car; will be a Subaru..
Wow that’s really nice! I just bought a Subaru Outback Touring, I am absolutely loving it!
I’m about to buy my 6th lol
I have been a homebuilt airplane enthusiast for several decades now. If you go to the EAA Oshkosh fly-in (one of the largest in the world), you will find that Subaru boxers are the most popular automotive engine conversions. If someone is willing to fly with that engine, I will drive one around.
Very interesting! Never would've thought
Never knew that. How interesting!
Very interesting, why that?
I have Bombardier in mine.
Subaru also makes aircraft and helicopters, so maybe there's connection there.
For me, the Subaru Outback is the best long distant road trip car. Comfort, space and ride quality. I drive from my home in CT to all over the eastern US from Maine to FL, the Carolinas, Louisiana, Texas and up to eastern Canada. It has never failed me on long trips. I'm on my third Outback, the 2023 Onyx edition with the normally aspirated 2.5 engine. My favorite engine. The Eyesight system with adaptive cruise make long trips comfortable. The 30 mpg gas mileage make trips affordable. I usually drive 30K-35K miles per year. I change my oil and rotate my tires every 5K miles, follow SOA recommended service and add CVT drain and fill at 60K. My local Subaru dealer services my Outback as I know the mechanics and service advisors well. I enjoy your channel.
I just got a 2024 Outback Onyx with the 2.5. I love it. Once I saw they added the Harmon Kardon for 24 I got it. I live in northern Wisconsin and it does amazing on the winter roads here this past winter. I am coming from a turn ranger and I truly8 do not even miss having a turbo. It does great for me. I don't drive.a ton. maybe 8,000 a year. Lov it so far!
@@drn13355 Good choice. I love the seat material of the Onyx edition over the leather that I had in my 2019 LTD. The leather didn't wear well with all the seat time I put it through. So far, the Onyx seats are not showing any signs of wear. I came to Subaru from VW and Audi. I don't miss the VW poor reliability that I experienced. I think you will love driving your Onyx as much as I do.
If we owned either one of these 2024 Camry/Corolla; Honda Accord/Civic Hybrids and or Subaru; and keep recommendations on Maintenance = Will last us until newer Fuels like Ethanol and/or Hydrogen = where we even have better fuel efficiency and better Environmentally C02 Emissions... Subaru originally was an Aircraft Manufacturer Company that together with Mitsubishi built Kamikaze Planes during WW II; and the Legacy/Outback and Mitsubishi Lancer version have always been the winning Champion in Rally WC... For Airplanes, Horizontal Boxer-type Engines will make Planes flying better controlled ... Their 4WD and now AWD with Differential-Lock System will deliver better Safety at low cost "on OFF-road" conditions like the CrossTrek. These little CRV Compact but more efficient than a Toyoda RAV4 Trail (Trim). CrossTrek Wilderness TCO and Applications are much better than others.
Regards,
You can say the same with a lot of cars.
I’m from Springfield MA but mostly lived in the Newington CT area. I too travel the entire east coast over the course of 9 years as deep south as the Mexican border and as far north as Montreal Canada.
The difference? I do the same trips in a 2014 RAV4 and a 2015 Forester both accumulating roughly 430,000 miles. The two vehicles often trade spots moving southbound and back up with on average 12 trips per year.
Religious on the maintenance and even plenty of winter prep for the North, but now I had to retire the Subaru and keep it in the south because the rust belt was too much for it. Fortunately Subaru has been amazingly accessible in their parts and maintenance department so getting parts for older vehicles is easy.
As I’m typing this, I’m currently replacing the the Forester’s hub bearings on the rear wheels because the entire back plate rusted off which led to premature brake failure on the break pads wheels. Unfortunately corroded bearings cannot be saved with how stuck the hub is to the knuckle.
Never had to do anything to the RAV 4, and thats the one that currently travels to Yale and back for the past 3 years for one of my kids.
Great to hear that you are enjoying your Outback! I see in your comment that you change the CVT fluid every 60k miles. Is this something you do yourself or do you have the dealer do it? Thanks!
Long time Toyota owner here (Camry & 4Runners). In 2019 we went to the Toyota dealer to buy a new one and were a bit disappointed because they just felt “cheap and plasticy” to us for some reason. While we were standing around, we noticed a used Outback that they had on the lot that really felt nice and solid. The next day (after talking to our mechanic) we bought a new one at the Subaru dealer. We absolutely love it to this day. We’ve had zero issues and it’s a great road car. 👍
The Thermo Control Valve is the biggest problem on newer models and oil leaks.
@@melissasmess2773oil leaks aren’t an issue and the thermostat is covered by Subaru
Same experience here. Toyotas might still be reliable but those interiors are so cheap. Not like they used to be in the 80’s. Love my 2016 Outback.
Toyota unfortunately has a Lexus to sell you, so if you want a decent interior, Toyota will tell you to spend way more money and get a Lexus. While Subarus in the touring trim, often feel just as nice as base model premium brand equivalents.
The only car I ever want from Toyota again is another Camry, it still somewhat feels like the same car as they've always built. I think everything else tries to price you into a big expensive model or into a Lexus, I really don't like it. Base models feel horrible and anything extra like AWD they really tack on the $$$.
All the stuff i want and is important can be found in any base model Subaru and the extra trims are more so like leather seats, sunroof, etc are just luxury for me. Not many manufacturers do this.
Both are great brands. Real reliable if you take care of them. Subaru's all wheel drive is way better though.
@seraphim1833 My wife and I have both a Subaru and Honda. While the AWD on the Subaru is better on paper, in the real world for our usage it makes no difference.
Toyota's AWD is getting better, in years past, the AWD on their small and midsize SUV'S was just pathetic.
Recent test between a TRD RAV4 and a Crosstrek Wilderness in deep snow, the Crosstrek was much better, the AWD system in the RAV4 overheated....
Strange. I absolutely leave my friend sitting when racing off the line in the snow.
Subaru’s are reliable if you CHANGE THE OIL regularly, and don’t beat the hell out of them.
@@steve8803 that must be mild then, or just going to grocery stores, my wife has a Honda Civic I have a forester, on snowy days, especially going up our street, which is a bit of an incline. There is a huge difference, the Honda struggles that’s for sure.
Go to any mountain town and notice all the Subarus. With the right tires my Subaru is unstoppable in the snow. Driven home in deep snow uphill and it kept going. Superior.
Absolutely unstoppable AWD in any snow conditions!!!!
@@stopthebs77 Oh yeah, even with crappy tires, I drove in a really bad snowstorm just fine wile other were in the ditch everywhere along the road. great cars
AGREE!!!
I bought the 2022 WRX and now a 2024 Outback. It is shocking how good they both handle. Especially the Outback. It’s so comfortable and handles like a sport car. Crazy ❤
I agree. I just bought the 2023 Outback wilderness. Handles great and is very comfortable.
The 2024 outback is what I just got! It's my first subaru. Have you gone camping with it? I was gonna try that this fall.
2024 must be massively different than the 2012. My wife has a 2012 Outback and I can't stand driving it - it handles like a whale. I had a 2002 WRX that I was happy with and was thinking of getting another one (until Subaru decided in 2011 that WRX should be manual-only in the US (don't think that decision lasted long)).
Manual cars are the best!
@@valladolid0711 Agree to disagree. The only reason to get a manual at this point is if you prefer a manual. It used to be that manual's were more efficient than automatics but that is no longer true (often a modern automatic is better than a manual).
I’ve had Toyotas for 30 years but always wanted a Subaru. I bought my Outback limited new in 2016. Best car ever. I love the flat 4 engine. Outstanding ride, handling and comfort. Bulletproof reliability after 96,000 miles. The confidence in any weather here is northern Ohio is amazing. I’m sold.
@@allenanderson3649no timing belt on these. Lifetime chains.
@@MrSubaru1387 Did someone post that there was a timing belt on them and when you answered he took it away in embarrassment? Lmao
Just wait until you get over 150k miles on it - it will start burning oil like crazy. Almost all vehicles will be without any issues under 100k miles if you take good care of them. Once you get near 200k miles is when you will find out how reliable or unreliable it really is.
@@NATEG01you own one? If you’re so knowledgeable where are you getting this information? You are actually misinformed. Don’t worry there are plenty of subjective comments, your theory is actually flawed since I do know someone that has a 2016 Forrester 230,000 miles everything you said is incorrect. Not surprised at all. You have a wonderful day.
@@MrSubaru1387 I like both brands they are pretty similar
I got into Subarus because of their safety record when searching for used cars for my daughters and fell in love. My whole family drives them now. So easy to work on compared to every other vehicle I have owned. Such a confident handling vehicle in ALL weather. All but one of mine have over 250k miles (refreshed Mr Subaru style w/MLS gaskets), and they perform like new still, although they are starting to show their age from everyday use. Happy Trails.
trying to get my brother out of the FORD ESCAPE mentality and over the past weekend i showed him all the you tube videos and reviews on the Subaru's and he went to a review on the new Escapes and he was so upset . after seeing the reviews on the Subies ,, he , i hope is sold.,.. he wants a RED FORESTER TOURING.. and i said, you go my bro.. can't wait to see you drive up in a RED SUBARU!
At,75 years old,if you would of told me I would be driving a 4 cylinder Japanese car,back in 1963 at 15 years old when I started driving,I would of told you ,that you were nuts!Have had,Subaru outback’s,a 2006,2015,2020,and now a 2024,these cars handle like sports cars at high speeds,and when I was working at midway airport in Chicago,before I retired,close to 2 feet of snow no one was on the road,my outback,with just all season tires,no kidding speed limit at 40 mph,that outback did 40,stuck to the road,like a glove!Again 3 big guys,all our gear,a car top soft carrier,800 miles up to 150 miles north of Thunder bay Ontario Canada,we’re we catch a sea plane,to take us into the bush,for hunting and fishing,quests what,comfortable,and over 30 miles to the gallon,just a regular,4 cylinder,2.5 no turbo,ladies and gentlemen,presenting my brand new,Subaru,outback premium,in Autumn green metallic,great color greater car,eat your hearts out!Thomas A.Filipiak Palos Hills Illinois19 May 2024!
That’s quite the collection of Subarus you’ve owned!
If I lived up that side I'd definitely have a Subaru too ! I spent 14 months in North Bay with a record winter in '93 ! No such weather in the Caribbean but I started with a 1985 Subaru 700, then a 1991 Subaru M80 (Rex), '85 L-Series (Leone) iGT, '91 J-12 (Justy), 2007 Impreza S-GT (JDM WRX), and now an '06 Outback and 2012 Tribeca 😊. The only odd ducks were and Austin Metro after returning from North Bay (all I could afford) and a 2007 Isuzu D-Max which was awesome. But it's Subaru for me !
... I'm in your age group and comparing what we drove back then , my '23 Forester W drives like a formular 1 Indy car with the advantage of safety , as in if I have a stroke it'll stop by itself lol ...
That 2.5 motor was the best motor subaru ever made. The 2.0 would give me a little over 200,000 miles but the 2.5 impreza bought in 2005 still runs like a new car with 220,000 miles!
@@MrSubaru1387 We/I knew Subaru GL since 1981; Drove one from my friend... Then 1987 XT Turbo 4WD, with Dashboard and Steering Wheel like an Airplane or the new Subaru WRX 2024...
We had Legacy 1992 Model L but special built so = the Timing Belt on it last us, originally since 1992 - 2019; Changed oils every 6 months and/or coming back from a Long Trip. Changed Radiator Coolant every Winter begin...
💏💏 The Legacy was stolen last May 2023; otherwise would still be our Groceries Driven. Of course we have other Newer OB Made in USA not as good but has no major Repair Costs. TCO nothing compared in Winter Time and Deep Freeze Minus 40°C/F like this January 2024.
Of course they can't be compared with Lexus higher-end Trims but Easy to maintain on your own; change oil, change Radiator Fluids... Sparkplugs ... Only draw backs are CV-axels of Horizontal Boxer Type with high-torque = tend to be worn out faster, but TCO overall and Comfortable nothing compared...
Cheers,
We were a Toyota family, while growing up, and I continued for a while, until we had kids and bought a Honda Odyssey to fulfill their needs, had 3 Odysseys and 2 CRVs over the years.
A few years ago we bought a gently used 2013 Legacy to accommodate my 6’ 8” son.
We have since bought 2 Foresters and an Ascent.
We’re now a fully Subaru family, two of my friends have also recently bought Ascents.
such a smart family!!!
First time Subaru owner here. 2021 Outback. I am super sold on all the safety features of this vehicle. It has saved my butt a few times. I can’t wait for a hybrid or plug-in hybrid Outback to emerge, I will definitely be getting in line to buy one.
Back in 2021 I traded in my 2016 Ford Focus hatchback for a used 2020 Crosstrek Premium. I instantly fell in love with it. Was highly impressed when I took it on a road trip to Florida. I swore that I would never own another car brand for the rest of my life. I owned that 2020 Crosstrek until this past November just before Thanksgiving I went back to the Subaru dealership and traded it in on a brand new 2024 Crosstrek.
I'm thinking of trading my 2015 with a 2018 model😅
I live in Ottawa, Canada, one of the coldest capitals in the world. We can sometimes get crazy amounts of snow. Up to a couple of feet of snow, I can drive my 2012 Forester through it as if it wasn't there. More than that, it takes a little bit more skill in driving. 🙂 But I am sure that my Forester saved my life last year. I was coming back from a camp ground. It has been raining on and off all day. I was travelling along around 100 kph with the wide open road ahead of me, then suddenly, I was looking directly at a lamp post in front of me! I must have hit and hydroplaned...and was going sideways at highway speeds! If it had been a car with a higher center of gravity, I may have rolled. But I was able to turn into the skid, and was able to recover and continue on my way. That low center of gravity was a life saver!
Same thing happened to me in my wrx in a snowy road. Just suddenly I was sideways in the road for no real reason. Could almost get control back but was fish tailing and going faster and faster. I turned into the skid, punched the gas, and she straightened right out......needed to clean my pants after that but the car did it!
Don't mean to be that guy, but you shouldn't be going 100kph on a wet or snowy road. That's supposed to be common sense. I'm glad you're fine but next time drive for the conditions, 50 kph is the max you should go in rain and the snow (ideally less) and I personally never exceed 80 kph on a road that isn't warm and dry.
@@I-didnt-ask-you - No, be that guy. I see it all of the time -- people think because they have AWD or 4WD they can go fast in snow or rain and don't have to slow down like us mere mortals in FWD. AWD doesn't save you from hydroplaning or sliding off the road when you hit a patch of ice. I see plenty of AWDs and 4x4's in ditches during storms for that very reason.
Toyota makes good 4x4 but Subaru makes the best AWD.
Toyota makes the best 4x4’s in the world (Land Cruiser), while Subaru makes the best AWD. Some may conflate the two terms. If you’re doing serious off-roading in the wilderness, you want a Land Cruiser / Lexus LX. For everything else, Subaru is the way to go.
had my fair share of in-line fours and six's, subarus definitely feel more balanced when cornering and turning
Audi would like a word about that... Subaru is absolutely the (close) second best AWD (and costs way less than Audi). At least this was true in 2011 (when I did a ton of research into AWD systems).
I’ve had a Toyota Camry and a Corolla in the past and they were tanks - no issues. When searching for a new car in ‘23 Toyota’s were just too expensive. I test drove a turbo Subaru Outback XT and it was really nice. After owning it for a year I can tell you it is a great car especially in the snow and rain. For what I paid for the turbo I couldn’t even buy a base Highlander. It’s been awesome (so far), plus my 3 dogs can fit in the back!
I was a Subaru fanboy bc of the WRX. I've owned several of them thereafter. I spent alot of money on them and they seem to break when I need it the most. I went to Lexus and have owned several now, and I will never go back to another brand again. You get no surprises and always have peace of mind, whether going on a spontanous road trip or just going around town. Best brand ever!!!
Yes we know the truth . We had 1 Subaru and 1 Volkswagen . Both broke a lot .
V W now, fun to drive. Needs work.😂
Indeed, haven’t heard high ratings about WRX, all other models seem to do really well though
Actual Scotty has been saying some good things about Subaru and he speaks highly of the brands AWD system. He also talks about how the head gasket issue is a thing of the past.
The last Scotty I saw he recommended dont buy this Toyota, buy this Subaru instead !
my subaru forester in 85000 mils found oil leak problem
JUST watched several Scotty Kilmer videos where he praises Subarus a LOT
Proud owner of a 2017 Forester Premium. Added full skid plates, A/T Tires and a hitch, and have enjoyed forest roads in the North Carolina mountains, and numerous road trips. Never fails me, always gets me through and gets me home. Started something in our extended family. We now have eight Subarus covering most of the model line in the family. They all love them. Been to local Subaru Clubs and Subifest South several times. You are right. Have met a lot of great folks at these events. Thanks for defending the brand. Love your channel.
How may miles do you have on it ?
@@dylanschmidt4607 Mine is an NA. 82K well maintained miles. Only replaced rear wheel bearing at 78K and rear brake pads at 72K, BTW, adding STI 19mm rear stabilizer bar was a very good handling upgrade.
Long-time Toyota owner, recent Subaru (2020 Outback) owner. The TCV issue is sad but I did get the extended warranty letter for that, and I'm looking forward to dash lights firing up soon so that I can use that warranty. I don't like the battery draining every 2 years but yeah. I don't like the auto-stop but I can turn that off. I don't like the touch screen for everything but that's how cars go now. I like the 4-wheel drive [Edit- AWD, I know]. Overall, I've become cool with my Subaru. Odd that I don't have any of these issues with my other three Toyota's
I watch The Car Care Nut on TH-cam, and while he doesn't knock the brand he always gives Toyota's a higher rating overall. Since we don't live in the north, probably staying Toyota.
there is a software update to deal with the battery issue - the ecu turns the alternator off to save gas on a pretty aggressive algorithm that the consequence is too many charge and discharge cycles - ever notice when you first start the motor whether engine hot or cold and it runs high rpm? that to recharge the calculated starter drain - then it shuts alternator off and car runs off the battery - so dumb. just like the auto star/stop - probably saves you. gallon of gas a YEAR at the expense of wear and tear - also dumb. at least the dealer will install a patch to tame the alternator issue
I had a 2012 forester I bought new. I liked it well enough, but two issues.
1. Minor. The head shield around parts of exhaust would collect snow in winter and freeze to ice and rattle.
2. Major. If you drove more than say 7,000 miles and then had a tire ruined by a road hazard you had to buy 4 new tires not 1 tire.
I know.. I did not believe the tire shop or the dealer and so I called Subaru and they said yes. 4 new tires because if there is more than 2/32 difference between the tires. The transaxle will spin at different speeds and wear out or break.
I had nothing but issues with my Toyota, so count yourself lucky. As for the TCV, it seems like a weaker point but doesn’t mean you will have issues, but if you do Subaru made it right. Toyota fought their brake and sludge issues as hard as they could.
@@DaveTheAligatorThat is with most AWD systems, not just Subaru.
My first Car was an Subaru 2001 H6-3.0
And i love the Comfort and the smooth driving.
It has the Power if you like to drive aggressively.
It has a lot of space to pack some Bags etc.
I still drive it every Day, and its always a pleasure.
I love my „Gisela“.
:)
We just got a 24 Outback Touring XT and we absolutely love it. It rides great, the sound system is great, the infotainment system takes some getting used to but we're getting the hang of it.
My only beefs are the city mpg isnt great and the driver recognition system correctly identifies you about half the time.
I went to the auto show and Subaru was the only manufacturer with a wrecked car on display. I gotta respect them for that
they have a lot of them wrecked and their cvt tranny would be great if they would use the one toyota makes. no glue instead of gaskets.
@@Mr00934use Toyotas….. now you’re talking problems
@@Mr00934auto is only for beginners and unless your an invalid, not part of the conversation. Autos belong in a conversation I am not in.
Every brand has a lot of wrecked car's! But if most other car's did what Subaru does, they would have a lot more wrecked car's. Subaru is designed to only get wrecked if your performing an extreme stunt!!
Manual is superior in every way 😊
It is also way more FUN 😂
@@martinr8278 Hard disagree.
My 2014 Corolla’s CVT is still working perfectly today. That car is driven by my son since we pulled if off the lot late 2013.
I've driven plenty of difficult trails here in Utah and I am continually amazed at the places I see Subarus especially old Outbacks. It is inspiring. Tons of people I love are diehard Subaru people and for good reason. BTW I'm a Toyota guy and my dad raised us in a Jeep...
Thank you, MrSubaru.
☮️
My wife's 2022 outback wilderness avoided a sudden stopping car and steered her to the side of the road . And she was feeling safer today after she knows what she is driving
We love our Subaru
Did it really? What a great engineered machine. I drive a 98 but I’m holding out for a manual outback :(.
The OBW won't steer you away, but will brake hard before you can even react. Your wife probably steered herself after the car braked first. I own a 2022 OBW.
I just bought my 4th Subaru. My first was an Outback that was rear-ended by a Honda, and I was propelled into a Cedar grove. The Honda ended up on a flat bed, I drove my Subaru 4 hours home. It was totaled as it had damage to every quarter. They are tough and safe, and they handle winter driving like no other vehicle.
Yes, I have to agree with you, I had a 2007 Subaru Outback bought brand new and had it for ten years. I saw the commercials about "love" what makes a Subaru, and you know what I surely fell in love with it the longer I had it. I live in NYC and tried to get it stuck in the snow and just ended having a lot of fun in the process. I was a bit disappointed when they went with the CVT transmission because I had the old tried and true automatic with a real manual mode. And man that was fun!! Now I miss my subie and seriously thinking of getting a plain trim Forester with none of the big screens or electrical mumbo jumbo garbage.
You should mention longevity, the dealer by me has a poster saying that 94% of all Subaru vehicles are still on the road after 10 years.
That's in part due to me driving my 2001 Outback that's been wrecked three times before I rebuilt it. 😂
The other 6% made it home!😂
That number actually used to be higher. They've been advertising that high percentage for over 20 years now.
Maybe others do worse, but 10 years is not a long time horizon to brag about.
The 94% is something to brag about. This coming from a Toyota Highlander owner.
The best thing I like about my Subaru is that the high mileage ones as cheap. I bought my first one for $250.00 with a seized engine. Installed a $650.00 scrap yard engine with 80 Kmiles. Followed your videos and did a refresh and it has been going strong ever since. Then bought a 160k 2017 outback that Subaru said that it needed a $11K tCVT. Got it for $3.5K. Changed the fluid and did a transmission reset and going good. The more other brand owners talk down Subarus the better deals I get. Next problem is people to see Subarus getting better all the time.
If you got a Toyota or Honda you probably wouldn't have to be changing the engine or transmission in it.
Cheap subarus are good subarus
I would add another item to the list. I currently own a Forester, a Legacy, and 2 Toyota RAV4s. They are all great vehicles, including the Toyotas, which have been very reliable. However, the Toyotas feel like soulless appliances. The Subarus just have a unique and engaging feel to them that the Toyotas lack.
100%!!! Thankyou!!! Those Rav4s are hottt garbage 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I was super happy with old 1995 4 Runner, great car. Year ago, I bought 2019 (30K miles) 3.6R Outback and super happy again…
Buying a Subaru Crosstrek Wilderness in 2 days! Going to use it for over landing! This will be my first Subaru.
You're going to hate it! Unless your impaired.it has way too many safety features for my liking.
@@Paul-qq7mh I agree there are too many safety features that I don’t need. But I love the vehicle.👍
Long time Toyota loyalist... Now driving a '23 Outback. Very happy with it! Already 25,000 miles in the first year. Fantastic road trip car.
live in Colorado and I am late 60yrs old. My family's first Subaru was a used 2018 (1 year old) Impreza. Then came a new 2019 Ascent, a new 2023 Ascent, a new 2022 Outback Onyx and a 2015 WRX modified. I guess I have been sold on Subaru.
Had a trim piece fall off the Forester. The dealer said that parts falling off the car was not covered by warranty even though there was no road damage in the area. Emailed Subaru and they sent me a check for the cost of the replacement part.
What part was it !???
@@Beachboy22 trim ring around the fog light.
We're on our 4th subaru and have always had excellent service. They hold their value so they're an easy sale. Reliable, cheap to run.
Bought a brand new 2017 WRX… never turned back.. now with a 2014 Impreza wagon, 2020 STI, 2024 Forrester… very easy to work on.. hardest maintenance piece was replacing a transmission solenoid (do your transmission service !) on 2014 impreza…
We have both. A 2021 Venza Limited and a 2023 Forester Wilderness. The Toyota is more refined in its drive in terms of quiet ride and features (almost entry level luxury) whereas the Forester is a great "everything" vehicle. The Toyota gets fantastic fuel economy (since it's a hybrid) but the Subaru has better in city driving characteristics (lighter steering, smaller turning circle). The Subaru was also almost $10k less expensive as well. We love both of them and are very happy with them, but they are very different vehicles even though they are both crossovers.
The hybrids are such logical cars, sigh, but the Venza space in back is markedly limited by the small opening, required to make the Venza attractive, I guess. I wanted a used Venza, with 43K miles on it, but was startled by the MRSP mark up of $5K on a used car. They didn't hide it, just slapped it the quote they gave me. I chose to keep my old car. I can buy a lot of years of gas for that $5K. I would believe the Subaru to be more practical than the Venza. However, next year the Toyota Hybrid system will be available in Subaru's, of course. I expect them to have MSRP mark up as well.
You have to give Toyota credit for sticking to it's guns in the face of the electric car craze. No one is really arguing that Toyota's are bad cars, they just have a reputation for not being emotion driven purchases. Subaru's have more emotion based purchasing, in my opinion. But I still think the CVT requires significant maintenance to last, much more than traditional transmissions. All about the mileage, I know. The new touchscreen in catching a lot of flak from reviewers, too.
@@user-handlethetruth The CVT in Subarus doesn't really require more maintenance, it just needs a flush and fill every 60,000 miles (100,000 kms). That is likely similar to what should be done with regular automatics as well. One may argue that the Subaru vehicles might be a little more needy to get the maintenance done, but it's something that should be done regardless. I likely would have bought a RAV-4 Hybrid but they aren't available (long waiting list) and I got lucky that this one was on the lot when I was there. A similar thing happened last year when we got the Forester, it was only on the lot because someone on the waiting list changed their mind, so we grabbed it, which worked out perfectly. Neither dealer added any extra markup or fees, just MSRP (which is the norm for Toyota and Subaru anyway) and we actually got fair value for the trade. We've been very happy with both vehicles.
I drive a 2012 2.5 Outback, 159M miles. I am still patiently waiting for my car to start using oil (Still does not use a drop, never has). I am still waiting for that CVT trans to fail me (Still performs flawlessly). I am still waiting for creaks, noises and air leaks to compromise the ride experience (Never has). I guess I will have to keep driving this car for several more years so I have a reason to sell it. Oh well....
Currently 72 years old and up to 2013 drove nothing but Chevys. The last Chevy I owned was a 2009 4x4 Colorado king cab. Had nothing but trouble with it, drivetrain , engine, brake system, cooling system. Purchased a 2013 Outback put 310 thousand miles on it with no issues. Traded it in 21 for a 2021 Forester sport . Have put 52 thousand miles on so far with no issues.
2012 Subaru Outback - 6spd Manual 165k miles. I did get the head gaskets done at 110,000. But I love my Outback
Agree, and with your statement that no engine is immune to having some type of problem. I had a 2009 Camry LE that was among similar edition Camrys with an oil leak that Toyota never fixed as a warranty or recall issue, at least not when my oil leak became notiecable.
So, even the TCV issue doesn't dissaude me from owning a Subaru because everything else I know about and have experienced with them has been so overwhelmingly positive. If it become an issue, I'll deal with it and my positive opinions about my Subaru won't change.
Great channel, great content, outstanding expert content creator, thank you!
2015 Legacy 3.6R bought new. We’re in the White Mountains and at 125k miles couldn’t be happier with the reliability and winter driving.
Worked at toyota for 10+ years. My first car was a 90 Toyota Corolla then I got my hands on bmw 86 e30 then 2 e36 couple of years ago one of the techs at the dealer sold his 08 Subaru legacy with 140k on the engine and I love my subi I live in the east coast so tha all wheel drive is great on the snow. Both brands have their pros and cons but I think Subaru beats Toyota on safety. And bnw wheel the older models are great but todays bmw are hard to work on. Anyway love my subi thinking of buying one for my wife.
I have been a toyota guy since 1986 with my first 4x4 pick-up. Loyal as can be. We helped my son decide on a 2021 crosstrek as his first new car. It was not a thing i feared. I have worked on many subarus in my years in collision repair. Alway thought they were comparable in quality in that respect to toyotas. My first subaru was 2 years ago when I bought a 2014 crosstrek as a salvage rebuilder. It went back together very easily and drives well now after 2 years with 108k on it now. My current project is a 2016 crosstrek limited for my daughter's first car. I'm dealing with the transmission control module replacement right now. Other than that, the repairs are easy, mostly because of my years of experience. I've watch a handful of you videos and must say, I have the confidence to tackle the transmission valve body myself. Thank you for your expertise and easy to follow TH-cam content. Much appreciated.
I own a 2020 4Runner and 2014 Subaru Outback and I get just as much enjoyment from the Outback and from people complementing on the way it looks ( I keep my cars in great condition). They're different animals but great fun. Ive owned both from new.
Completely different vehicles, your Toyota has a frame, Subaru handles sporty.
Great points. We bought a new Forester wilderness this week. My wife is very happy with it.
EJ25 head gaskets, soured me for life. We've had 2 new Subaru's, 1995 & 2005. Replaced the head gaskets at 135,000, now it uses 2 quarts in 4,000 miles with Synthetic oil. The EJ22 was bullet proof.
Back in June 2021 I traded in my 2017 Corolla LE for a 2018 RAV4 LE, absolutely enjoyed them both. I also wanted something with AWD, more room for cargo & for reliability. Never really thought about Subaru until this year. With interest rates at an all-time high, I saw that Subaru or their financed side of things were running 2.9% APR on the Foresters. Well, I'm a proud new owner of 2024 Subaru Forester Base Model. It now has a little over 800 miles & I will be doing the first oil change at 1,000 miles.
You will be replacing head gaskets
Big mistake, Subarus are high maintenance compared to Toyotas, especially at high mileage. Also quality is on par with mitsubishi
My sister's family has two Subarus at this point. A 2018 Outback and a 2024 Crosstrek. The other day I was looking at used car adds......and found a 1996 Subaru Legacy Wagon. It was soooo cheap!! I figured it had to have bad head gaskets and lots more wrong with it!! On a whim, I went to see it .
Drove it, checked for overheating.....no problems found!! It had 255000 miles! Now 1200 miles later the ac is cold, the cruise works, heat works and tires are good. Wheelbearing s are a bit noisey and it must have rebuilt axles in it . The right front is noisey when hot. But it's my shopping and backroad burner!! Good country and dirt road car. Fits right in with my Dodge pickup and my Chevy Malibu. It ain't pretty but a good runner!!
The old owner filled it up and delivered it to me!! Nice folks here in Ole' Virginny!! Cheers Y'all!!
P/s.....got historic plates with lifetime registration and no inspection!! I may turn the whole fleet antique!! Hahaha 😆
Proud owner of a 2002 Forester S with leather interior
2002 S.. cloth seats. :)
I’ve had 3 SG Foresters. It’s my favorite Subaru ever made
Had an 02 forester s for 20 years. Door seals, head gasket, electrical gremlins, leaky sunroof, heavy break wear, timing belt, faulty ground, rattly heat shields, heavy tire wear, oxygen sensors that only last 6 months,premature driveshaft wear, thumpy transmission, constant fluid leaks that destroyed the driveway....it was a car that required at least 2000$ a year in maintenance per year just to keep it on the road...and it had the worst cupholder of any car I have ever driven!! Still went to 300kkm before we sold it and bought a Volvo wagon. Wouldn't buy another subaru but was still a great car. My 08 Yaris with 320kkm has only had regular maintenance, tires every 4 years and one set of brakes in that time. Toyota crush all challengers for reliability by a wide margin. No contest. Wouldn't buy another Volvo either despite the lifechanging seats and immense raw power as the maintenance costs are astronomical and mechanical quality and design are even below the Subaru (fit and finish is top notch though)
@@rickywinthrop why did you buy the car with so many problems or failed to maintain it beforehand ?
@@rickywinthropsounds like a neglecting owner….any vehicle that is maintained will go a long time. Toyotas have a plethora of issues also. It all comes down to driving habits and service. Seems like there are more comments through this feed providing facts on the reliability of Subarus and other problems with Toyotas.. hmmmm hope that helps you. Good day
My first Subaru, Friday December 2024. Have a 2025. Great vehicle, things changed over 22 years. LOL.
I’ve only ever owned Subarus (4) and Hondas (2). We keep our cars for a very long time, usually until they are at least teenagers.
My most recent purchase is our “retirement” car, a 2024 Subaru Forester Touring. Love, love, love it!
Previous Subaru was a Certified PreOwned 2013 Outback Base model purchased in 2015. Very good car though it lacked some basic technology features I would have liked. Sold that recently to friends who needed a car at their cabin.
We started married life with a new 1995 Subaru Legacy LS AWD wagon. Lots of multi state road trips, camping trips, desert hikes, and plenty of SoCal street and highway driving for 18 years! The interior plastic bits were falling apart when I traded it, but engine was still going strong.
My very first car was a 1984 Subaru GL FWD Hatchback purchased in NYS but mostly driven in NC (no A/C, that was hard to endure!). I learned to be wary of and avoid mechanics who said “golly, the spare’s in the front!?”.
My only complaint about the two Hondas I have owned since they were new (a 1992 Civic HB until it was rear-ended at 14 years & a repainted 2007 Fit that my 25 YO son currently drives) is the Honda paint can’t handle the SoCal sun. It oxidizes and fades/becomes chalky super fast. Otherwise, IME Hondas run without a hiccup for a very long time with just basic service. I love the Hondas I’ve had, but I still prefer driving a Subaru.
I was just driving on a highway yesterday at 80 mph, and a coyote crossed the road out of nowhere! I was driving my parent´s 23 Forester and I just dodged it like I was going 25 mph, no issues, no drama, just steered my way around the animal. I am SOLD on that AWD system!!!
I have always trusted the Toyota brand. Reliability and durability is built into every car Toyota makes.
@@MrRensan404 that’s too bad, a flawed brand well, they were good up to about 15 years ago. Glad you were just writing about Toyota since the comment was about how well the trusted Subaru, reliability and durability is an every car Subaru makes. It pays to really read. Have an awesome day…… don’t let anything cross in front of your vehicle. Looks like you’ll probably get into an accident.
@@martinr8278Love Subarus but Toyotas and Lexus are still on top in terms of reliability, mpgs, no.of available options, resale etc..
@@Gopinathk17everyone has their opinion. I owned a rav in 98. Not a bad little suv. I’ve also owned a crv and now a forester. Got to say the crv and forester were better in several ways then Toyota. You’re addressing the same things most brands are ranked high in so it’s equal ground. Honda can say the same…..Subaru can say the same just like Toyota. Spin terms of reliability, mpgs and resale….Subaru are in the top also. Be objective….not subjective.
@@martinr8278 Everyone has opinions but when it comes to the reality, the statistics speak the facts.
Also it's human tendency that whatever they own they try to argue that it is great, that's why we go by the reviewers and neutral people. When I was owning Nissan Rogue I used to argue that its the best. Honestly, I never had any issues with it but I didn't use it for long so I don't know, May be in the long run I may have seen some issues.
Toyotas and Lexus are still definitely holding the best reliability, mpgs(Hybrid trims) and resale values. That's an undeniable fact that most of the reviewers accept. 5-10 years ownership costs of Rav4 is much lesser than Subaru or any other competitor in that class. Also, its not fair comparing a 98 Rav4 with some latest generations Forester. I drove both 2023 forester and Rav4 hybrid Xle..no comparison at all, the hybrid trim of rav4 is much quicker, quieter and smoother and it's touching 40 mpgs combined.
Subarus are great in their own way but Toyotas shine in those terms that I mentioned.
My STi and ascent have been more reliable than my previous Toyotas. True facts for me. And yes they’ve been maintained by the book
Right you are! Keep telling the truth Mr. Subaru! I'm glad you limited this video to 5 reasons otherwise this video could be hours! 👍
Love my Subaru Forester XT. On my second one now, we're putting on about 22K per year and we love it. Great dealers here in Minnesota. Couldn't be happier with the Subarus and their dealer support and maintenance.
My 1995 Legacy Brighton wagon just clocked 300,000 miles this week, keeping my fingers crossed and hoping for another 100,000...
Former Toyota Rav4 2008 Owner now Subaru Forester 2023 owner. My Rav4 traded it in at 117k. Replaced the master brake cylinder 3x, Brake Boost, Head gasket 2x oil leaking, burned oil A LOT. Toyota had a notice but no recall on the possible fix. Toyota's solution was to fill oil, tape the dip stick and IF the oil was burned they would replace the oil ring. But only after the test. Oil burning was getting worse. Been happy with my Subaru. First AWD. So far so good.
wow. My friend Doug sold his Rav 4 with 189,000 to the dealer for 12k and got a new one. They discovered a bad oil leak that cost $4000 to fix after they bought it. HA. He dodged that one I guess. My Toyota Matrix had gone through 9 calipers on the rear counting the two left on it. And 4 on front (counting the second set still on). I decided I didn't want to deal with that shit anymore and went with a subaru after I crashed my Matrix and drove it away after a bad nose dive into a ditch... miracle it did as little damage as it did. Did enough it's not worth fixing but still basically looks undamaged from the front.
My wife has a 2010 Rav4. I've always been the one to drive it on long road trips and I honestly hate it. I never liked how it handled or drove. It has been a reliable vehicle though, with very few problems. I got myself a 2024 OBW back in September. It has become our road trip car and is my daily driver. It handles so much better, is much more comfortable, has more interior space and it's much more responsive than the Rav4 ever was even on day one.
Passed on my 2012 Outback to my daughter 7 years ago. Now 170K miles and she's selling it to her boy friend. I live Litchfield Hills of northwest Connecticut. Either going up hill or down hill. Not 100 yards of flat in the county. Lots of snow. Always surrounded by half dozen Subarus of some kind out here. They're like pets. Every family's got one.
How I wish we had honest mechanics like you in Kenya ... Finding one in this side of the world is as hard as trying to MILK A BISON BULL . Even the certified mechanics from SUBARU KENYA are just a fraud .... I have learned so much from your channels , Whenever I need a service I usually go with my computer to their shop and open the channel for them to follow ... and they get very agitated... THANK YOU BROTHER
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@@stopthebs77 He's been trying for sure
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I own all 3, including an old Honda. The Sub. is newest, and I bought it for my wife because of how well she enjoyed driving it. The outward visibility of the 2018 Forester is awesome. The fact most of the door lock actuators have gone out isn't so impressive. (80,000 miles)
We'll see if it ever reaches the miles of our old Toyota, and Honda.
How often do you recommend changing CVT fluid? I think it was the Car Wizard that recommends every 20-25,000 miles.
Think about this. All of the general aviation aircraft that fly over your house everyday have boxer engines in them.
Air cooled though, which does make a difference.
#4 VERSATILITY PERIOD
I like how you referenced Scotty without mentioning his name. Current Toyota owner here but I like Subarus because of their AWD and strong body shell/frame that might be helpful in a collision. I notice that you did not mention the latter in your video.
I have a forester, wife has an outback and my daughter has a Crosstrek and it is like a family. I’ve worked on owned Toyotas, Hondas, GM, Chrysler, Subaru etc… nothing about our Subarus feel cheap, well made, lots of thought put into cvt, engine, differential layout, most everything feels really well made. Hard to beat really, excellent quality at a god price point, good on gas with AWD, almost all out the door with AWD.
Thanks for the video! I just purchased a new Outback Limited. What a great vehicle.
10 year owner of a 2006 Subaru STI in the UK. Over here we know if you want fun and performance its a Subaru, However there is no question if you don't want problems and great reliability its Toyota for the win by far. The amount of 1990 Toyotas still going is crazy and over here with consent rain that's some feet.
The only thing Toyota seem to have over most other car brand is their hybrid system
Customer support too is pretty good for a big company.
Subaru and toyota collaborated on the ecvt used in the 2019-2023 crosstrek hybrid (and still essentially kept symmetrical awd but at the cost of no lower trunk space since the battery needed it), I expect it to return in MY2026.
Subaru Owner here with a great package, can't agree more.
Sixth Suuby - all new except the Liberty 2000 (Liberty 2000 70K km, WRX STi 2004 - 60K km, Liberty 2006 - 280K km, Forester 2008 - 80K km, Outback 2011 ~85K km, Forester 2019 50K km) and can't imagine a better drive, they really make cars All For The Driver. Though, I have to admit the Forester CVT in 2019 has some lackluster acceleration and it's the first auto I've got from Subaru but reliable AF (except the TCV that I had to warranty at 40K kms late last year).
The only issues I've had are the oil issues in the 2000s - Liberty and the WRX, 2019 - TCV on the Forester (EDIT: Which MrSubaru1387 just released a vide on last week!)
Can't fault either brands for reliability though (at least in Australia) compared to the Euro brands here. Also, I don't think many cars got the ANCAP 5-Star Safety rating outside of the Subaru's in the mid-2000s. The community here is quite small (tho it's grown mid-2010s+) but most are adventurous & friendly.
I owned four new cars since 1980: Honda Prelude 1981-1992 229,000 miles. Mechanically sound, but the frame rusted out).
Toyota Camry 1992-2007, 249,000 miles. I gave it to the neice to use going to nursing school.
Pontiac G6 convertible 2007-2014 Beautiful lines on the G6 convertible, but this GM product had more warranty work than all my Japanese manufactured cars combined. Explains why Pontiac doesn’t exist anymore. Sold it to my friend when it hit 125,000 miles.
2012-present day. Subaru Outback. I replaced engine at 294,000 miles with a very good used engine. Car runs like new. I own an auto detailing company and the car looks new. Why spend 45k for a new one when a used engine installed is much less (engine and labor $6k)
Just bought a Cross Trek. Love it!!!
Awesome car! What year and trim?
Since 2016 I've bought 3 new Subarus and no plans on anything else
Reliability through redundancy, smart
Wow 3 cars in 8 years that doesn't sound good at all must be a problem!
I’m surprised you didn’t mention Toyotas part ownership of Subaru. That honestly is an awesome partnership having two good companies joining forces. I have enjoyed my Toyota GR86 which is basically a Subaru BRZ so far with the boxer engine. The AWD system from Subaru is great. We had a Crosstrek before the 86 and the AWD system was impressive.
Would be great if both Subie and Yota collaborate and bring out a heavy duty pickup truck!
With that partnership it certainly would have been nice for Subaru to put the Toyota D4S fuel system on all their recent motors not just the BRZ.
My significant other got the 2019 Outback Limited with the 3.6 and multiport FI. Factory ordered with no sunroof or NAV saving almost $2K. Unfortunately a Subaru gremlin timing cover oil leak I caught just short of her warranty expiring. That was resealed under warranty and at least now 5,000 miles later seems to be holding. Always will be a concern but oh what a nice motor that’s smooth quiet and torquey. Pairs beautifully with the CVT and she’s averaging almost 26mpg. I love the car.
Heavy duty truck no….I’m a huge mini van lover and want to see a Subaru mini van in a Wilderness version 😆 I’d settle for an Outback with the Forester’s boxiness. Maybe an Ascent without a 3rd row seat but keep it the same size.
@@jeffjohanson3830 A Wilderness Sambar van would be unstoppable 😮
@@gobeklipepe now that would be awesome!
I'm disappointed with my 2017 Subaru's silicon gasket sealer vs a real gaskets....
There is something for everyone in the Toyota's lineup but there is only one model I would pick over a Subaru, the Land Cruiser. Which, if we have to honest, is a legendary vehicle and has it's own separate chapter in the auto history books.
Someone from my closest family visited us last month in a brand new RAV4, top trim, nearly all extras. When they asked me what I think (looking for approval?) I just said "Should've bought a Forester, or a Crosstrek. And please don't visit us in the winter, I'm not pulling you out".
310k miles on my 2005 Toyota Matrix. Solid car. Original owner. Thinking about a Subaru since it’s more agile on dirt roads.
Bought a new Toyota RAV 4, hated it! Had a trim piece fall off, the moon roof rattled, the engine would scream when taking off in traffic, and the brakes would squeal after I took it on dirt roads. Bought a new 2023 Subaru Forester, I love my Forester!!
Thanks for rebalancing the debate with this video. I went through a period of anger and frustration with my 2017 Forester over some of the notorious parts I'd had to replace (like the well known control arms and wheel bearing issues.) But now I have just pased 171000 miles on my car, checked the oil and doesnt burn or leak any more that when brand new (negligible.) The CVT remains flawless even though I only managed one fluid change at 105k. And this car with the all wheel drive and anti-lock braking SAVED MY ASS from catastrophic accidents three times including in an ice storm last April in upstate New York. So all in all, I made the right choice when my 1997 Jeep Cherokee died and I went to a Subaru dealer. Going for 200000 next. I need one more set of tires but that's OK. This car has always gotten me home.
We bought a 2016 RAV new to go along with our then 2011 outback. First winter, highway drive in the snow going up a fairly steep hill the RAV AWD system was constantly searching to find traction…flicking on and off and I could feel it in the way it drove. It was nothing like the outback in the snow. No sure footedness like you get in a Subaru. Decided right then and there that this was going to be short term ownership. June 2018 traded the RAV for a Crosstrek. The outback was replaced with a 2022 Forester. Nothing…absolutely nothing beats symmetrical AWD. Period. I’m a fan boy for a reason.
What kind of tires are we talking about?
I had Falken wildpeaks on my 2016 rav4 and it was pretty much unstoppable 😊
Yup, tires make a HUGE difference especially braking in snow. I now find just front wheel drive with 4 snows gets me to almost anywhere I need to be without drama. I do love Subaru’s AWD system though.
@@atticstatticwe drive with dedicated winter snow tires. At that time I had the best Michelin X Ice tires on the car. Believe me, there is a clear night and day difference between Toyota AWD and Subaru’s symmetrical AWD.
We have had 18 Subaru wagons (first was 1981) all bought used. AWESOME cars
With the last two purchases in last two years for my boys were at 20 4x4 wagons . My MIL was sold from our experience , she buys new (shes 87) and on her 4 or 5th. So many stories over the years, slept in them all over the continent , coldest -28 air temp while ice climbing in the Adirondacks . We could make time in the craziest wimter weather. The 1981 had the cyclops "passing light" behind the front grill that a vacuum pulled the emble up to use it.
Lol I love this video Mr. Subaru. I'm leasing my 4th Subaru in over 15 yrs ( 2 Outback's then Ascent, back to Outback again ). However I also have a 2016 4Runner. All awesome vehicles. You also nailed it on the safety issues. Kept my Outback from hitting a dog. That would have broke my heart. But I guess Toyota's have all those safety apps now as well. I'll never get rid of my 4Runner, but Subaru's are great in my books. Btw great beard! Subscribed.
The key to comedy is timing. At the moment, I have a 2009 Outback and a 1999 Camry (like the white, lifted one) parked outside. The longitudinal engine and all-wheel drivetrain together make a much more pleasant drive. That generation of Camry, however, has a more comfortable driving position. I can't generalize on reliability because both were older, higher-mileage units when I got them.
In the mid 1990s we needed to trade our Ford Taurus. We went to a Subaru dealer and the salesman spent a lot of time explaining why a Subaru was good choice. We walked across the street to the Toyota dealer and all he did was badmouth Subaru. He did not provide one reason why his Toyota was better. We bought our first Subaru, a Legacy wagon. Then we bought a Tribeca. We bought a Ford Edge after that but then replaced it with an Ascent. In the mean time our son had a Forester that he loved. And we added a 2016 Legacy to the mix so I could reduce the miles I was putting on my truck. Great cars. Simple as that.
#5 community: I have two thoughts.
1. My hobby is cave exploring. We are a community because we rely on each other to keep each other safe while we explore caves. At least half of the cavers I know have Subarus. (Mostly Foresters and Outback’s, because often the caves are in very remote locations.) I remember one cave expedition where we all met at this wide spot on a US Forest Service road, and all five vehicles were Subies.
2. Shoutout to Orsini Design who offers a great selection of Subaru themed overlays on the line go plates on you favorite Subaru. I love the little California Flag bear on my key fobs.
Thanks I bought "The World is Flat" decal 😂. Orsini Vinyl & Designs
Just bought my first Subaru outback and glad I found this channel
I have owned two Toyota Siennas, both purchased used. One got 328k and the other got 430k miles. In 2019, I bought one of the first new Subaru Ascents, which I have truly enjoyed. I drive a lot for work. I have towed a 16-foot trailer that weighed something close to 5000 lbs. That's not the best feeling experience on the highway, but Ascent can do it, and is one of the reasons that I was attracted to Subaru. Jump forward 5 years, and I have 280k miles on the Ascent.
I was hoping to get it to 400-500k miles, but I became less confident in that once I hit 250k miles. I was told that my oil pan was leaking. Supposedly, that leak was fixed for $1500, yet the car still smelled like burning oil after I got it back from the dealer. In part, I didn't care for the answers I got from the dealer. They fixed one leak but admitted later that there were more. On the plus side, I was able to drive 225k miles before changing the brakes. I still think it has the original spark plugs. The windshield cracked a few winters ago after I hadn't driven the car for a few weeks. I used the auto starter to melt some of the snow and ice off the windshield, and I'm guessing that when the car turned off and cooled down quickly without melting all the ice, the windshield cracked. The gasket around the original windscreen and replacement seems to fail/separate somewhat easily. I believe it was about $1200 to replace and calibrate the Eyesight system behind the glass. Most of the repair expenses have been covered by recalls. When the daytime running light burned out on one of the headlamps, I was mystified why the dealer didn't replace the bulb. After asking them to change the bulb 3x and not having it changed, they finally fessed up that the entire headlamp assembly had to be replaced at a cost of $1,000. Gone are the days of cheap lightbulbs.
I have decided to return to Toyota. I'm buying a 2024 Highlander Hybrid. I actually wanted the new Land Cruiser or the Lexus 550, but they want a ridiculous amount of money for their base models with few creature comforts and mediocre to terrible gas mileage. Since I drive so much, I decided an AWD hybrid would be a good move. Question is, how long will the hybrid battery last before it needs replaced, and how good is the AWD system compared to Subaru? The Toyota costs more than Ascent, but I'll get 35 MPG instead of 25 with the Ascent, so my total cost of ownership should be less if it mechanically holds up.
Another reason for the switch is I also don't like the fact that Subaru has done away with all the buttons in favor of the touchscreen system. I had a 2024 loaner car for several weeks, and I really disliked the system. What used to be so easy became really cumbersome and frustrating to use. Also, one of the tires on the nearly new loaner Ascent delaminated and rolled off the car while I was driving 70 MPH down the highway.
Like any other Subaru owner, I get emails reminding me of service appointments. The last one I received said that my car was due for its 22.5 year checkup. Maybe I was asking too much of the Ascent. I really thought I would get a cool half million miles out of it, but I feel less confident of that today than a year ago. If you're wondering, yes, I'm keeping Ascent. It still looks nearly new despite the odometer. My son will take it to college because it's not worth much on the used market, and it should give us several more years of service.
Subaru rules for evaaaa ❤
They are proud of the used Toyotas, very pricey, i asked the salesperson if they were planning to retire
My 02 Subaru legacy (liberty) has 302,000km on its 2L boxer engine N/A, only thing engine wise I've done is spark plugs, ignition leads, oil change, and recently valve cover gaskets. Other than that engine runs smick. Replaced clutch and clutch fork 2 years ago and they were original from 02. Keep up on maintenance and any engine will last forever
Everyone has the eyesight system today. Boxer engine is too hard to service meaning you pay more at the dealer. The all-wheel-drive system drags and releases the moment you go for the brake. Plus it's too picky on tire size matching. Brakes require a service to frequently and they can't be done by the average shop because of computer brake service mode. CVT requires service to frequently 60k according to my info.
76 thousand miles on my 2017 cross treck past month gasket replacement, oil leaks, had replace catalytic converter , and some thing they relaced some electrical issue. Fortunately i had a extended warranty. This is my first one and my last.
They need to make one real 4X4 with the symmetrical drive and a locking diff and disconnecting sway bar and bring back the manual Transmission or traditional automatic. If they made 1 forester model with these things they'd kill the jeep and truck market. Lift kit and off road tires optional they'd kill it even more. I have a Forester XT by the way I am a Subaru fan and i'd be even more of a fan but they need these options for mountain people. I'm always worried about my CVT.
Volkswagen community is pretty similar to the Subaru community. Really chill and generally free from super nutswinging measuring contests. Probably why I own VWs and Subarus
I'm coming from the VW community, but making the jump to Subaru.
I had a Subaru and bought a VW. Never going back to VW again after this vehicle as it's had too many issues since I bought it. Never had a single issue with my Subaru and will buy another after this VW.
Yes I agree. Same! My main vehicles are a ‘97 VW Passat TDI 5 speed, and a Subaru 2007 Outback 5 speed. I love to talk with fellow Subaru owners off the road, and while driving I get quite a few peace signs, thumbs up and waves from VW guys!
I had a "chick basket" VW for a year or so and besides being a rattling bucket of bolts, we had lots of issues with it and the interior did not hold up.
totally agree about adaptability.. love my 2012 forester x touring..
just put some new fallkan wildpeaks on it looks wicked
Here in the PH, we use our toyota Hilux for hauling heavy items in our business. But for long family trips and city drives, I always use our Outback and Forester. Wife loves her forester.
Also, Scotty Kilmer just bought a crosstrek last year and he loves it lol
Obsessed with safety? How about that ridiculous giant screen that controls almost everything? That’s safety? I love this man❤️