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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 มี.ค. 2021
- TH-cam voice teachers and pedagogues, I see you. My #LaSperanzaChallenge video on TH-cam inspired lots of comments on how I could better approach singing a ridiculous and impossible high note for a baritone (missing the entire point of the video). In this Part 2 video, I thought I’d have fun and take their comments to heart by following their vocal instructions and comments. Behold lots of cracking, funny noises, and embarrassment.
All in all, I think it's great to have discussions about vocal technique and I'm just trying to have a positive experience with this since I'm only human. Now back to singing in the real world of Figaro, Don Giovanni, and Marcello.
For the full video where I attempt the #LaSperanzaChallenge: • #LaSperanzaChallenge |...
Lol those "underdeveloped tenor" and "Old Italian Masters" comments just SCREAM "I learned everything I know about singing technique from the 'This is Opera!' channel".
I've yet to come across any recordings of ANY lyric baritones without the infamous "HE SOUNDS LIKE A TENOR!!" statements in the comment sections. It amuses me every time.
@@bharp4390 i Just want to smack them so much, especially when they say "full covered chest" and what not 🤦
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They said that to Titta Ruffo. I know, ridiculous!
@@azizquadri5824 I've heard people say it about Leonard Warren, as well.
This is Opera the technique for a loud but not resonating career of Max. 10 years
Calling out these arm chair vocal teachers is without a doubt the highlight of my day, and it's only 8:00 am!
Same. Also, WHO ARE THESE CLOWNS! Don't they know who you are?!
I see a bunch of people have gone to the Voice Teacher Word Salad Bar today.
Next time can you try more expansion of the eyelids and a slight tilting of the right nipple. I think this is all you need to become a tenor. Keep trying. You're almost there.
OMG, best comment.
🤣🤣🤣
hahahah
Jesus this is so on point
Yes, there's actually an old technique by some very unknown Italian masters who suggest that the high c is only possible when extending one's nipples. It's called Voce capezzola (or appoggio in capezzola) (= from Italian for 'tip of the breasts, as opposed to appogio in petto = the chest), but as really ANYbody knows by now (especially all those great hobby singers in front of their screens commenting on professional singers' techniques), most of today's singers (=all bad!) just don't have enough nipple power anymore! 😜
This is like flat-earthers trying to teach Einstein how gravity works
This is absolutely the level of salt and give-no-fuckery I’m looking to claim moving forward in this career post-covid. Truly inspiring stuff.
Therapy for me, thanks a lot. I am a basso profondo, and I really tire of people asking me to sing baritone parts ("Of course you can do it, just think up" or "you're not really a bass, you don't look like one!"). Further, its so good to hear you struggle, cos I struggle everyday.
Going after your teacher is SO uncalled for!! 🤬
So sorry these people are being idiots.
You’re my favorite singer, and have made me much more comfortable being a Lyric Baritone! Keep doin what you’re doin!
This video may be funny and entertaining but in truth, it is extremely educational and a great point of reference! There are many singers with instruments that stand between voice types. This is a beautiful demonstration of why we have to choose a certain voice type and fach. Congratulations on this great video, Lucas!
This is literally gold 🤣!! And the comment on the “Italian Masters”... homie has read zero treaties on this because uh... yeah.. no.. weight in head voice? Nah lol. Thank you for being a good sport and doing this!
Yep
You keep being your best baritone self! You've made it this far without having to sing tenor, so lets not have foolish comments damage your already amazing voice!
Many of the great baritones of the past had so called experts suggest they were tenors. You’re the real deal and fricking rock!
So much fun. Thank you for that. Love all the stuff you are doing on your channel!
OMG!!! You are an amazing bariton!! The fact that you are attending those comments knowing you are not a tenor (what turns every advise nonsense) makes you even greater! I would be so glad of having your super technique!! So maybe the best advise would be …” transpose it into the bariton tesitura”
Agreed!
I’m begging you to do more of these I’m sobbing laughing.
"Breath from your back", "resonate the sound in your forhead". 😂😂 Glad that fella is not my doctor.
Some people don’t understand that just because you have a great B-flat 4, that doesn’t make you a tenor. In my opinion, it’s much more about tonal quality and the color of the voice!
True, ı am a baritone and ı can hit B-flat but my lowest note is G#2, how is this possible if am a lyric tenor?
This man is not a tenor lol
@@icebabyellen5495 Exactly
Well, if that were the case, Lucas would seem MORE a tenor to most because of his tenoral color you just mentioned.
Instrument function is more important than color, but nothing happens in a vaccuum.
People employ so many different phonation strategies (before we even talk about resonance strategies) that affect tone quality etc.
Again, voices aren't nearly locked into a Fach as people think. It is more about strategy and desire than many want to admit. Like anything, things are more on a spectrum than not.
I stand by what I said in the first vid. He should sing what he wants to sing. He could sing some tenor roles if he cared to, he could stay in baritone rep as it seems to be his preference, or if the world were less lame, he could bounce back and forth as he cares to.
Rodolfo is not the only tenor role and certainly not an end all fach indicator. America's obsession with that silly speranza phrase in schools is really damning to any heavier tenor doing his studies.
As a lyric baritone who can sing a G2-G4 consistently with some notes above and some notes below, I feel your pain. I believe it is ignorant to judge someone’s voice over a recording on TH-cam. It’s about how one can manage the tesitura of the tenor repertoire and of course the timber of the voice that determines a tenor voice. Most tenors I know can sing a high C hungover after waking up out of bed 😂 . Lucas is a lyric baritone and a damn good one at that and I hope to hear him live one day. I wish internet pedagogy the best but stay in your lane!
There are some people on TH-cam who believe that lyric baritones don't exist: we are all actually "underdeveloped" or "undeveloped" dramatic tenors. Same thing for lyric mezzos: they are all actually underdeveloped or undeveloped dramatic sopranos. That's where all those comments were coming from.
@@ER1CwC Ikr? It's cringe. I don't worry about it as much as I used to because there's not much we can do about it.
@@bradycall1889 I think they are actually right in some instances. But they take their thesis too far. There are usually good reasons why a high baritone or mezzo will choose not to become a low tenor or soprano.
@@ER1CwC Yes I agree.
Lucas Meachem: *Can sing a high B as a baritone which is very difficult and also very impressive*
People who know nothing about singing or opera: "But Is iT a HigH C ThO"
😂thank you for this
Interesting, fun, genuine and honest - what a joy to watch!!
I absolutely loved this video!!! Thanks so much for having a sense of humor and for being willing to crack repeatedly for all to see and hear. That took guts. As a tenor who started as a baritone, this is a video I will share to show just how tough it can be to switch. Not all baritones with great high notes like yours can automatically make the jump. Keep up the fantastic singing and never lose your joy and happiness! Can't wait to hear you in the opera houses again once we are all set free!
What a wonderful experience. You are such a good sport and it is so illuminating for you to go through each comment and actually work on replicating what has been "suggested" You are one of my favorite baritones. Your giving nature and willingness to put yourself out there should be (and is ) and inspiration to those who are looking to improve and do more. Please post more of your analysis of various baritones singing arias that you critique. One of my favorite videos that you post. Hvorostovsky and Terfel are two of my favorites and your video on them was wonderful. Thank you! Got to see you live (such as live was) in the SFO Barber production that was broadcast live during this whole COVID thing. Wonderful production! Thank you for that as well. What can I say. I am a fan!
God bless you and your patience my friend!!! You are a FABULOUS BARITONE!!!! I love how you humored all the wanna be voice teachers out there!!!!
Lucas, you are a hell of a good sport! Kudos to you for making this video and, most importantly, having fun with it. In bocca al Lupo!!!
This was great! You have to be my favorite singer on the planet right now!
You're funny and humble despite the fact your are a true professionnal thank you for being someone like that.
Lol i go through this all the time, people tell me I’m a baritone and a tenor. It gets frustrating. You are an outstanding baritone though!
Oh dude you are so down to Earth and humble. And your baritone voice is beautiful.
PS: your high C cracks were super interesting. It would be a fun video to self-analyze what is going on when the crack occurs. You for instance get a very clear sound, despite the cracking, your vocal chords are closed, just somewhat uncontrollably (?).
Lucas your content is always enjoyable, i actually found this video very interesting
I'm alternately wincing and cry-laughing over this. You are such a good sport, Lucas. I'm still convinced you are a lyric baritone heading toward more dramatic roles as you get older, hopefully more Verdi? Keep on singing and doing what's best for you!
Accurate assessment 😉👍🏼
Fun video! Always inspirational to see a great talent share their limitations. I've just subscribed, and am sure you'll get loads more.
I'd love your thoughts on whether someone can be too old to get into operatic singing, how to get into it, and just general tips for adults starting from scratch. And if it's just a matter of finding a voice teacher, how to go about doing that. Maybe others would find your response interesting and it can be a separate video!
Damn! Lucas taking the pain so we don't have to 😂😂
I admire your courage and willingness to listen to so many different points of view. This is proof of how convoluted the singing world is and how every singer/ voice teacher "thinks" they have the answer. Nature is the ultimate teacher everyone!
Mate, you are a star with as terrific a sense of humour as your voice and talent are! A friend recommended your channel to me and after watching some of your videos, I just had to subscribe!
That means a lot to me. Humor is medicine!!!
God 😂This is actually fascinating for me as I'm currently going through the transition myself, writing a dissertation on the subject and so doing a heck of a lot of reading around this. What so many people don't seem to understand is high notes don't distinguish a tenor - so much of it is the stuff in-between and the tessitura of things. Sure you could probably bust out a lower sitting tenor aria in a similar way that Hampson has done previously - but that doesn't mean you can sustain it healthily, in your voice, for 4-5 shows a week.
What pushed me over the edge was finding ease and freedom in my modal voice, which just sits on that cusp - and finding I could get up to a Bb/B zone comfortably AND sustain around E/F/F#/G very comfortably. I had just been imitating what I heard in other baritones and adding a lot of unnecessary weight. I just sang my first St. Matthew Passion as a Choral Tenor (something I could never have seen myself doing beforehand).
Some of these youtube comment section teachers actually push some really dangerous and unhelpful ideas, sprinkled in with good thoughts and concepts which is what makes them insidious. Vocal science is constantly evolving and it's become the job of any decent teacher, researcher or continuing student to keep up to date, informed and having an open mind to trying new things, but a discerning mind to know when its not working.
This is pure gold!!
You are hilarious!!!! 😂😂bravo! Still excited for the Gilbert and Sullivan Barbiere! And you better find your full voice in your head, it’s somewhere behind the frontal cortex😂all the old masters knew it! Lobotomy is the best way to achieve an empty spirit and thus a free voice 😂😂
These self proclaimed voice teachers don’t know what they’re on about. Keep doing what you’re doing, everyone enjoys it! 🔥 (also a side note): for people who think that baritones just need to lighten to get up to the high C (like the voix mix guy), baritones don’t have the capacity to go to the top even in that way which means that they can get away with more weight in the middle. Although more resonance helps too (which baritones have over tenors).
OMG! You're crazy! Even to try these things is already insane. But, thanks for doing that.
Thanks Lucas. You're a prince. We'll all keep at it - together.
This video is smart, iconic, and genius 👏..
Well rounded video. Good idea to do a video on advice given by the vocal coach commenters. 😆
Thank you for this!
You are such a brave soul....my god I would have to take a year off after trying some of these things. But, I love your videos...such great information about what to do and NOT to do. Much appreciated. BC
Oh man!!! I loved the video! Well done! Very inspiring, up lifting and specially clarifying. As a singing teacher myself, I have heard so much mambo yambo through out my career as a singer that all this try outs seem familiar!!! When singing becomes too complicated… there is something wrong to it. Singing a C5 does not make you a tenor… Same as singing an F 2 does not make you a baritone. A student of mine referred me to your video and I enjoyed it very much! Thanks again! All the best!
Agreed range doesn't determine voice type. It is only a small part of voice classification.
Gorgeous baritone voice!
Lucas I love this so hilarious!! Xoxo
This is brilliant and I am laughing my tuchus off! Thank you for this! SUBSCRIBED
6:50 Lol that's hilarious when he mistakened you as a "tenor" and you just were emotionally tough about it lol 🤣🤣🤣
Love the video ❣️ it was entertaining and fun although I was afraid for you 😱 take care🤗
Haha excellent! That advice is all so hilariously tragic, but sadly the internet is full of that. Seems they missed the point entirely and also didn't realise that you sing at the highest level in the industry.
As a baritone, I experiment the same difficulties! Funny, isn't it? ;) Thank you, fun to watch!
😂 😂 😂 (deep breath) 😂 😂 😂 you’re such a good sport for entertaining these comments 😂
Best vid yet!
Love yuh man 😊
Thanks!!!!
This is the best video on TH-cam. Should have 100 000 000 views.
HI! posing from South korea, who is baritone also :) I studied singing, back to 2016, in IU, bloomington "jacob's school of music" for my undergraduate degree. wish I had a chance to get to know you sir ! when I was there!! enjoying your videos and learning so many good things through your videos ! thanks to you!! These days my dream is to meet you one day in singing :) I'm your number one fan!!! P/S : It will be such a big present to hear you singing "Cortigaini, vill razza " from Rigolletto. Please~~~ :)
You are the best. Thank you for everything. Your family is so bеautiful. Hi from Moscow.
I am laughing so much my throat is hurting. Now I can't sing Lucas! 🤣🤣🤣
I love this video ❤️
I'm so glad you made this video! They can be so annoying lool
What a fun video! Hehehehe! For me it's clear that you are a baritone Lucas! I just don't understand why it is so hard for your followers to accept it. Um grande abraço, de São Paulo, Brasil, para vocês!
4:08 That advice was clearly taken from a TH-cam video where Angelo LoForese explains that a high C should feel like a high C in falsetto. Which I guess might work... if one's a tenor.
Man, I'm a lyric baritone, studied opera, then did masters in Musical Theatre at the Royal Academy of Music and after almost 10 years of singing professionally I still get "Omg, You ArT a TenOR, why arE you singing Baritone". Apparently the internet has the best voice teachers, I've missed the mark with all those academies ;(
Obsessed with this
Wow I can’t believe you decided to make a video based on people’s advise. You have to know very well who you are and have a rock solid confidence to play around with this. Of course you know exactly why you cannot sing that high C, and needless to say, you are a wonderful/successful lyric baritone!
LOL I laughed wayyy too hard at this video! I think it was the Kermit the Frog impression! Seriously though, we singers appreciate the vulnerability you show to the rest of us that "cracking" isnt the end of the world, especially when demonstrating how ridiculous the "arm chair" classical and breathing experts are! I love your work!
Hahahahahaha dude. You made my morning. Thanks.
Hahaha, you‘re just the best!!🙏
Fun to watch, but I think it's a dangerous game listening to the random advices 🙂 although the voix mix worked!
That’s exactly it... trust yourself because you know your voice better than anyone.
@@LucasMeachem1 This is the most fun I’ve had in TH-cam in forever.
Where did some of these people study voice? I imagine many of them have NOT studied. The sheer ridiculousness of these ideas is astounding.
Made my day!
THEEEEEEE HOLLERING wherewith I didst HOLLER at THIS! 😂🤣😭😂🤣😭😂🤣😭😂🤣😭‼I'm sitting here, thinking, "What's next? Suggesting he be castrated?" 😂🤣😭😂🤣😭😂🤣😭 You are SUCH a good sport! These people need to leave you alone with their "petty-gogy" and let you be the brilliant baritone you are!
I love it when when self proclaimed experts and armchair critics try to give advice to world class singers....most of whom probably couldn't make their way though one of the 24 Italian Art songs.
And snap
I laught so hard!! You had soooo much paciense with those idiots 🤣🤣
Hilarious. There are some real vocal charlatans out there, Lucas. 😂
As a tenor the "whining thing" is the only thing that made some sense to me. The rest was a complete joke. Made my day, thanks!
I'm also a Lyric Baritone too. When I was a teen Baritone around 14 years old, I could sing the Tenor high C in full voice along with the other Tenors could my cords were not at their most mature in terms of deepness.
But today, a high B4 and A4 is my limit. Can't go any higher unless I'm using falsetto and whistle voice.
Oh my god thank you ... Laughing so hard 😂
I feel like these people come from the misguided place that the higher your fach the more skilled you are. So in their own special way they were trying to say "hey you can do it, I believe in you"... 😂
But of course that's now how it works lol.
I also think people only respect the extremes. If you're not thrilling them with high notes or blowing their minds with crazy subharmonics, it means you're unremarkable. They ignore everything that makes a voice beautiful and a singer skillful.
A riot!!! 🤣 Thanks, for the laugh!! I JUST DON’T UNDERSTAND WHY MOST PEOPLE THINK THE HIGHER, THE BETTER!!! It’s ridiculous. Why is being a high tenor/soprano the be-all, end-all? Should all flowers be roses? Should all desserts be chocolate? Ridiculous. I think the whole range should be developed. There’s nothing more painful to listen to than vocalists who sing above what is truly comfortable.
One of the funniest videos about singing of all time. Havent laughed this hard in a LONG long long time 1:23.
Imo, he sounds like a heldentenor/baritenor, im a baritone and even at my young age my voice is not as brigthish as his..but again im no expert in singing at all. Just some thoughts.
I think you’re a baritone. Like you, I used to receive comments like these all the time from people insisting that I was a tenor, and still I’ve never been able to sing anything above A4 with full resonance (except maybe two or three times in my life that I could get the B-flat out) or sustain the tenor tessitura. Also, I had a lesson with Marlena Malis once - you’re right, she’s a saint.
Wish the names weren’t censored. I need that kind of coaching in my life!
@ Lucas Meachem, great videos! Do you take lessons? If you, include those lessons. Keep the videos coming!
Great!
What a good sport! Hilarious!
A fantastic Baritone with an easy ringing top and they always want to push you up to Tenor … it’s BS and comes down to tessitura and other factors
Lucas hope to hear you live soon
You are my vocal hero! This video made my day. You gave it a good try. I guess you will have to be resigned to the fact you're a baritone.😉😉
I see you, fellow baritone who is told they are a tenor.
ain't it so
APPLAUSE when you hit it. This is fun stuff.
I wonder, where is the whole Silver, TIO, Barone, etc. crew now?
Do you sing Tonio del I pagliacci? It would really be amazing to see you singing the prologue if you already have a rendition. If you don’t have one, please consider positively of recording one. I believe some other people would be interested like me as well.
LOLLLL everyone in the comments are just ridiculous, thinking they know for sure you’re a tenor, but then you’ve had a splendid career as a baritone so far. Good thing they don’t cast
From what I’ve seen in this video, everyone is saying remove the ‘weight’ . I think they identity your squillo as vocal ‘weight’. So they are actually saying you should remove the most precious quality in opera just so you can sing a C5 which is completely useless for the baritone repertoire
You’re already a pro singer booked years in advance. Even if you would try tenor repertoire, that would mean you’d need to cancel shows, roles, rehearsals just so you can try some tenor songs for a few years? Why not, but then why should you?
Also, if they are keen on you being a dramatic tenor, they should know that dramatic tenors do not sing C5 so much. Del Monaco was singing B4, transposing lower anything past it, sooooo ... yeah
Very informative.
All in all though, don’t let the nitpickers get you down. 🙏🏽
I don’t think you’re a tenor but you were actually on the same road I found myself on to singing above the stave as a tenor. Voix mix and pianissimo singing with low air pressure allows the muscles to more gradually turn in ways they’re not used to (or maybe even meant to in your case). Singing above the stave is like singing like Axl Rose with back pressure and depth. You have to have an “electric buzz” that you just follow up thru the top. Basically, I don’t think you’re a tenor bc the tessitura would just murder your larynx (not disparaging you’re just a bari) but if you keep trying that that way, you’ll have a cool party trick if you let it grow stronger.
Lol this was a funny video! I'd say more nasalize/bratty/snarl to sing that high note! Ribs up and out relaxed articulators.
You may have fun trying this: with the notes in that phrase being F,G,Ab,C, try transposing them down a major 3rd and sing them in reverse on a lip trill, plugging the nose with one hand and setting the corners of your lips with your index and thumb with the other hand. This top-down approach may encourage the focused "small/narrow" sensation tenors strive for in the top. If this works for getting you in to the top and you figure out what the sensation is for you on the top note after doing them in reverse, you can do the notes in their written order on the same plug nose lip trill. Finally, try to bring all of these things together on the actual words. 🎶😄🎶
😂😂😂 love this.
Lucas, nice video. I laugh a lot, because so many people comes with magical formulas, as if you weren't a professional. I saw the previous video your Bb and even B, and I think that only this would be enough for a lot of tenor roles. But the problem is the tessitura. You can reach Bb, for example, but sing songs that have many parts over G or Ab is difficult. I have an enormous difficulty too. For example, I reach Ab, but sing it in a song is completely different. But i think that in my case is a question of technic. If you could give some advices about people who don't know if is a baritone or tenor, I thank. For example, comment your evolution in terms of reaching each note over the years. For example, i am recently singing with no teacher and, in a question of 6 months, i go through F4 to Ab4. Until G4 i am relatively satisfied with the qualitaty, but Ab4 and A4 is still stringere. Thanks
Funny 😁 According to some TH-cam posters if we don't have at least 4 octaves we must be doing something wrong... In reality all you need for opera is two beautifully controlled octaves. And not including squeaking at the top and growling at the bottom... And we all have a voice that falls most naturally and comfortably into a certain range. I'm contralto and won't lose any sleep over not being able to sing bass or coloratura soprano arias 😅
Ngl I actually managed to learn something from these comments🤣
Lolol this is so good. 😆 I hope other singers try out the "Voice Lessons From My TH-cam Comments" challenge. Some of the comments these armchair critics leave on superstars singers' videos... Yeesh!
great idea