hate to be that guy but bro we need more reactions of fake ghost videos dude they are pure comedy and actually really educational. you help people to be able and point out the editing and bs in thoes videos. please do another one soon🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Hey everyone! If you could upvote this for visibility, I’d greatly appreciate it. (I can’t pin this comment unfortunately - the pinned comment is for the sponsor) Late in the video, I misattributed a 1993 painting by Charles Boyer. I said it was a 1943 painting by Norman Rockwell, which was what Boyer paid homage to with his painting. In fact, the elements of the painting I talked about in the video were all in Rockwell’s original as well. Thanks to everyone who pointed out this mistake, I don’t know how I got it wrong. Thankfully, they are both handmade paintings so the point I was trying to illustrate still stands - but it is very frustrating to get the attribution wrong, especially in a video where I am trying to champion artist autonomy. Very sorry for the mistake, I need to be better about double checking these things. Thanks for reading, and hope that this did not taint the points made in the video. John PS. It is so frustrating that TH-cam has existed for almost 20 years and there is still no way to issue an in-video correction. Would love to put a quick line of text in that part of the video.
I'm sorry that TH-cam doesn't make this easier. It at least used to have annotations; no idea why they stopped doing that. It's also kind of odd that you can't pin multiple comments.
Upvoted! I was about to comment this myself 😂 I go to the Norman Rockwell museum every year or so (they have different temporary exhibits that are awesome) so I was like …. John?????????
As an artist, another annoying thing about how saturated the internet is with AI is whenever im looking at Pinterest or Google for reference photos 70% of what i see is AI.
@@PersephoneDaSilva I mean, Pandora's box has been opened. It's going to be hard to stuff all the nasty back in. But that doesn't mean we should just "get over it". We should always demand accountability from people trying to sell us something, or make us believe something is real when it isn't.
One place I’ve seen AI imagery pop up a lot lately is in crochet. People will generate AI images of completed crochet projects, often complex plushies, and use them to sell “patterns” for this nonexistent and impossible creations. It’s all a scam of course, as there is no pattern and if there is it won’t result in anything even close to the images. More seasoned crocheters can usually tell since AI isn’t great at figuring out stitches. But a lot of newer crocheters, or older people in the hobby who aren’t as familiar with AI in general are getting scammed by it.
Oh my god this is soooooo true. I got into crochet in the last year and joined a bunch of groups on Facebook for ideas and tips but now every post is AI fakery and scams. I see endless photos of creepy uncanny valley "grandchildren" in ridiculously elaborate and impossible clothing. I'm close to leaving the groups because there's no value there anymore
As a slovenian, if its not white, its impossible. (Black people are made of white light. Everyone is white. That is neutral and a fact) Bro what was that💀
even some literal yarn companies do this, lion brand is who ive seen do it the most, they do mention it in the caption as being AI but its still horrendous to see when there are so many pattern designers who make awesome stuff and instead of platforming and paying them they just do AI bullshit
I sent this video to my grandma, and she sent me back a picture of herself celebrating her 139th birthday with a message saying "I made this with peach cream filling".
The Wacom tablet “dragon” one feels particularly insulting. You want actual artists to spend money on your product but can’t be bothered to commission an actual artist for your advertisement?
They could've just set up a contest and give away one tablet to the winner and use the winning piece for advertisement. Still ripping off artists, but at least they'd have real art as promotion...
The fact that Wacom used AI in their ad caused a HUGE uproar. And I really appreciate your section near the end about artists being accused of AI, there are so many artists that have a very polished, glossy style that are being swamped with accusations and it sucks!!
I certainly didn't hear about the Wacom thing until now, though to be fair I don't keep up with news all that much I have a Wacom tablet from about like, a decade back, and I still use it on occasion to this day (I forgot about it for a while after changing computers and losing the software disc that came with it, but the thing still works like a charm), but I have been considering getting a new tablet cause the lil loop of fabric meant to hold the stylus is coming loose Guess I'll have to look elsewhere lul
One thing I see a lot with AI images is people asking "what is this from?" thinking it's fanart. The answer is "nothing," which is tragic to me. Somebody sees something they think is beautiful and inspiring, they want to know the origin so they can see more, and there IS no more. It means nothing and comes from nothing.
Technically, it did come from somewhere. Terabytes of data gleaned from images and art who's creators likely are entirely unaware that their work was used to train an AI, and of course with so much data, it's impossible to tell who's work the AI image is "taking notes" from, even if you ask if to generate something in a specific artists style.
@@That_One_Xatu I do know that, but the AI has amalgamated it into something to the point where you cannot even identify what creators its stolen from.
What? Fanart isn't the same as using AI generated art. Fan create Fanart because they love the art and correct me if I wrong isn't there artist out there hates fan art? I am an artist in a way.. my drawing isn't that great but I would mind people art fan art because it means people love your work and people will still follow you no matter what.
@@randomrants148They're saying that people see an AI image and THINK it's fanart, but it's not, which is sad because fanart is so cool and AI images are not
As a shareholder, I have to say that this media literacy and critical thinking content is the reason I buy stock in John Wolfe Industries. He presents the content so well, and it is based in something he has held so dear for as long as I have watched his content. Think Critically.
This isn't even the worst parts of AI. I have seen several news stories now of students that use AI to generate inappropriate deepfakes of their own classmates. And those students are left in a grey area since the laws haven't really caught up to AI yet. I'm glad you made this video to spread awareness. It's a shame to see how oversaturated the internet is with AI now.
Man, I've never even heard of these stories. That's disgusting. I honestly think that AI deepfakes should be criminal, and fines or even prison time should be set up depending on the severity of the deepfake. Sure, some of the AI videos that use the voices of presidents to bicker about absolutely nothing can be good fun, the potential for real criminal activity is too great. Even look at the situation with the streamer QTcinderella (I think that was her name), where one of her friends was watching deepfake NSFW content of her, without her or his wife knowing, and was only found out because he forgot to close his tabs one stream. Truly terrible and disgusting.
At least there is a start on some regulation, while not perfect from the EU, it's called the Artifical Intelligence Act passed on March this year. But any actual criminal activity being dealt with needs to be done at a country level. The issue with those deepfakes with classmates is even some questionable adults can do the same with basically any child image online, whether stock image or otherwise.
Yep.There have already been several cases like that last year in my country, too. All of them had to do with images of minors that were generated like that to blackmail the chidren who were all school girls (of course), and in all of the cases the images were produced by boys of the same age or older who were also still in school. The blackmailing wasn't just for money, they were trying to make the girls do whatever they told them to or else they'd release the images publicly and/or send them to the girls' families. BUT! This doesn't even end here, because I wanted to share that in regards to another thing which goes hand in hand with the subject of *media literacy*. And that is how gullible some people can be about what AI can and cannot do. Because, you see, one of my colleagues at work had just learnt about one of these stories last year and decided to mention it to me. But to my surprise what she took from the news report was that AI can actually take a photo of someone and "remove the clothes" basically revealing that person's naked body as if they were ohotographed naked. It took me soooo long to convince her that that's impossible especially if the AI cannot use an already existing naked photo of the said person, it can't just guess exactly what your body will look like under your clothes. I kept repeating the same things over and over, I was explaining it very simply - the whole process of generating an image by using a data base, how AI isn't a "creative person" who can use their imagination and just draw something out of nothing, that AI uses only what it's fed with, that it doesn't "remove the clothes", but instead plasters a body that belongs to no one on the head of someone real (in the case with those schoolgirls), that images like these have already been produced for years, just not with "AI", but by people who meticulously "photoshopped" them themselves, "by hand", if you will... I'm not even going to continue, you can imagine a discussion like that. And what's really scary here is HOW MANY PEOPLE are actually that much "media illiterate" and how hard it is to change many of their minds, since they just believe what they hear without questioning it at all. And then, because they have so very little knowledge on the subjects, even if the news are presented correctly, they just don't understand them and come up with wrong explanations/further details about them.
@@Charsy8 You are right that people were essentially doing the same thing with photoshop before AI. It's always been a problem but now AI has made it so much more accessible for anyone to make exploitive images. Hopefully this will shine a light on media literacy and put into action more safeguards against this kind of thing.
JohnWolfe, PLEASE talk about the AI books, and other AI generated books that are trying to be sold on Amazon. Would love to see how terrible, inconsistent, nonsensical, and hilarious some of these stories must have!
Last year I was sent one to review for Amazon Vine. The other Vine reviewers who received the book reviewed it positively, praising how sweet it was, etc. But as soon as I opened it, I knew right away the pictures and text were all AI. It was an animal-themed Christianity book for babies. It comes with a baby lamb plushie that is pretty cute, but the book is awful. I guess the other reviewers thought the book didn't need to make sense because it's for babies, but I disagree.
There is a foldable human video made a while ago about how the idea of barely comprehensible, low effort books created at massive quantities was being sold by those “wealth coaches” that used services that paid very little to their workers to create books, I can’t help but think about how that problem is now a million times worse now that you can get a sleeping machine to do that in a second
I experimented with several scenarios for AI to generate short stories. Long story short, every one of them looked like they were written by a child the night before their book report was due. It was entertaining.
As soon as I see signs of AI, I stop watching the video, leave the website it's on, decide not to buy the product, etc. I don't want anything to do with it. It's just an immediate sign that whoever it is doesn't care about quality.
@@thejosh3866I’m the same way. As soon as I realize that someone is using AI in any kind of promo I immediately loose interest in whatever they’re selling. It is convenient though, usually you have to do a little investigating to know if somebody is an uninspired, lazy hack; now with people using AI images you can learn everything you need to know about them instantly!
The hands, backgrounds, and spelling are self-explanatory, but I can usually detect AI images from the “art style” alone. Unless a specific style is detailed in the prompt (and sometimes if it is), AI images always have this plasticky, smooth-shaded, cheap CGI look to them. AI also struggles to render consistent patterns and realistic lighting/shading, so keep an eye out for those too.
I'm a Tolkien fan and unfortunately a lot of artists make Tolkien's Elves look plasticky, flawless, too smooth, etc. So, it's really hard to tell if their AI made or not. They either have to say it's AI made, or you have to ask. And when you do, chances are you won't get a response.
@@PersephoneDaSilva you can almost always tell by the way the face is. It will always have a somewhat uncanny look to them. A character’s face from Ai will always be the same as well. That and the way the character will face is a 3/4 pose as well. And you can tell because the severe lack of visible brush strokes. Even with a similar style that Ai does, a human will most definitely have natural brush strokes, making the painting feel more authentic and lively. Ai cannot recreate true brush strokes.
@@Destiny_smI think you can also tell if the art is AI-generated if you look at the eyes. Most AI art has this "soulless" look in the eyes from the images I've looked into.
@kingdomarts2019 to add on to this, the faces if there's multiple people (esp of the same sex) they will look identical, maybe different hair colours but still twins.
Artist here! I thank you for this video. Media literacy is a major issue nowadays that even a trained eye can become skeptical! I agree that AI images are dystopian AF but the human experience shall prevail!!!
The fact that everything I search on the internet turns up to be 50% AI generated is extremely annoying. Especially images. Searched for mundane stock pictures like 'woman watching tv' and it's filled with AI prompt sh*t. I'm so over this.
Main workaround I use is to either put "-ai" or "before: 2021" in when I search things up on Google images. I'd imagine you could get fancier with something like uBlock, or find workarounds for other search engines. It's incredibly frustrating and I hate that this is something that even needs to be done.
not only that but for animal and plant pictures they end up being filled with inaccuracies which can be pretty bad if you're looking for something like "poisonous plants"
I noticed this happening just the other day and I already hate it. I know it will only get worse. All I wanted was a real image from a certain game or something (I can't remember exactly) and there was a bunch of clearly AI stuff in there. ugh
As an illustrator, I'm deeply appreciative of the time you took to research and talk about this topic. It's really disheartening to see companies and techbros gleefully embracing AI to either make a quick buck, or to dunk on artists for the sole purpose of dunking them. Not to mention those who try to lie and say it's beneficial to artists instead of talking about the harm it can do to the creative industry. I can't even google images for accurate references without having to sift through the AI crap that's overtaken search engines. It's definitely something that has frustrated and saddened me for a long time, so it was kind of cathartic to just see you tear apart on the more prominent examples in this video ahahah. I had no idea of the state of Facebook, that's creepy as hell. They can't regulate this stuff fast enough. Thank you for being a supporter of artists and creatives, it means so much ♥ I look forward to your next fundraiser.
I would love to see a deep dive video on the AI books being "published." I actually narrate audiobooks, and it's CRAZY how many titles are submitted that are written by AI and have to immediately be taken down from the platform. Not only are narrators struggling with finding work because many authors are now opting to simply have their books narrated by AI, but now we have to weed out the titles that weren't even written by a human being. And sometimes, narrators don't realize that the book was written by AI until they have already agreed to the contract to finish narrating it. Then, the title will get removed from Audible for not being real, so the narrator would have wasted their time without being able to receive any royalties from sales (if the book even were to make any sales).
Plus! The chances are better than good that whoever prompted that AI book and then went on ACX to get it narrated is just going to take those narration files and feed them into another LLM to train it with your voice. Not like they care about copyrights or contracts. They all claim "fair use" anyway. Another audiobook narrator right here with you.
There's a Roughest Drafts video that covers a few AI generated poetry books which was pretty interesting. Not exactly the same as what you're talking about but still interesting!
32:12 I'm sorry to have to be that person correcting in the comments, but misinformation (even accidental) is a relevant topic here. It's impossible for the Disney Thanksgiving image to be a Norman Rockwell painting, and especially not a 1943 one. Norman Rockwell died in 1978, but Roger Rabbit-the character in the bottom right corner-did not exist until 1981, and the movie with this particular design was released in 1988. The rest of the characters ARE from movies released during Rockwell's lifetime, but some after the given 1943 date: Song of the South (1946), Alice in Wonderland (1951), and Peter Pan (1953). The REAL 1943 Norman Rockwell painting this is all based off of is called "Freedom from Want" and has nothing to do with Disney. Now, it is worth mentioning that the specific AI "gotchas" John pointed out are still present in the original. And it is also possible that the Disney-fied version (not the second obviously AI version) is an actual painting done in tribute, or a digitally edited version of the original. The point about not confusing human mistakes for AI ones still stands, but hopefully now with some added context.
As soon as I saw Br’er Bear I knew it couldn’t be recent, but Song of the South came out after 1943 and wasn’t released publicly after the mid-1980’s so it kind of an obscure character.
@@Cymorill8 I had a song of the South picture book from the late 60's when I was a kid (in the 80's) Disney was unashamed by that picture for most of its existence.
Thanks John for this video! I'm a high school teacher and I'm showing parts of this video to my students as a part of an activity about analyzing media for AI. The comedic moments made it more enjoyable for them, when normally they'd put their heads down on their desks. I've been a shareholder for a while and I'm glad I've invested. Keep up the good work! ❤
What makes me even more annoyed is that the lazy people using those posters can’t even bother to edit real text on top, you could even open the images in paint and use a brush to delete that and write something that makes sense!!! But they can’t even do that!!!!
@@yeahthatkornelI feel a lot of those interaction pages are all full bot but for example the guy behind the Willy wonka scam is a human man who couldn’t bother to write real text haha
I am an oil painter and it is extremely frustrating to see all the AI images show up on google searches. It can be as much as 50 percent of the images in a search and they get incredibly bad. Thank you for bringing more attention to this topic especially the problematic use of it by large corporations.
I'm surprised I don't see more people talking about how unusable Google images has become because of ai. Unless you're looking for something specific a huge portion of the results are ai images
Google images has been unusable for years. It's just more obvious now. Google as a search engine in general is near unusable now. Instead of legitimate results, it's filled with "related topics" and advertisements. You actually have to go to the second page to get real results.
I have not noticed it yet, though I suspect this problem will become worse in the future. Maybe Google will push a feature where you can pay $1.99 a month for the PREMIUM search, which has the ability to filter out AI art. If you think this is nonsense, I guarantee you, it's only a matter of time.
@@OrgaNik_Music theyve definitely been making questionable decisions in the past couple years (like implementing SEO for example) but its still better than google imo
As an artist myself, thank you for making this video. In my experience, most people don’t understand or care about the time that goes into making a work of art. They want it fast and cheap. It’s bad enough that there’s a potential for my work to be stolen. But I continue to make art, AI can’t replace or replicate an artist’s voice or mind.
AI art is scarier than any horror game. But the thing that’s scarier than that, is how many people fall for it. People who can: drive, VOTE, have a decision in someone’s life.
I think what’s so disheartening about AI images that people try to pass off as art is that it’s taking the HEART out of art. The 1000 yard stares in really messed up, uneven eyes, the overall messiness/distortion.. It sucks and I hate that actual artists are being skipped over because AI is cheaper. There’s just some things in life that can’t be replicated/replaced
To be honest, if a company/individual would rather go with an AI generated image than hire an actual artist, they are probably shit to work with. It is clearly not ideal, but at least you know where their values lie. Silver lining, y'know.
Even if AI art becomes better visually than human art, i dont want it. To me the person behind it is what makes the end product rich and interesting. Different takes on colour, framing, rendering that were developed by understanding the rules and experiencing and observing the real world. I want historical context and personal commentary, a real voice shining through every brush stroke. I may sound up my own ass a little, but i really dont see any of that depth and potential for analysis in AI art.
All the companies pushing their AI products say this allows non- artists/musicians/authors to create too. They have a tone of animosity toward artists, like we’re all elites in ivory towers gate keeping creative expression. There is nothing stopping anyone from creating things except laziness or fear of trying. I wasn’t born with a paint brush in my hand. I’ve been on a 43 year journey to get where I am with my artistic output. Nothing is stopping anyone from learning how to express themselves creatively. Using shortcuts/cheatcodes does not provide the satisfaction of actually making something yourself just like hacking a game doesn’t mean your actually good at playing it.
Yeah, that's the thing that is always missing from AI discussions I see online. Art requires a process which is where the majority of human creativity comes from. AI removes said process from human beings, so any actual creative fullfillment is gone. So it's not actual art. And I'm sure that people who play video games wouldn't be happy if AI was packaged into games that made a magic "you win" button so the entire process of playing a game was taken away from them.
You are a reason that people are resentful. You lie to yourself about the role natural talent played in whatever art skills you may or may not have. Yes, time and dedication are part of it too, but so too is innate talent. Not everybody wants to spend that kind of time, or has that kind of time, to do that. You could make your argument about any device that has allowed 1 person to do what once took several people or many hours or years of study. Why don't you learn how to use a English Long Bow? I find AI image generators to be a fun toy. It DOES let me exercise some of my creative impulses simple by imagining something in my head and then trying to get some approximation of that to manifest from the prompt. It has much potential in the future when a casual user will be able to put more detail into a prompt and to teach an AI how to remember and accurately re-draw consistent characters and locations. It CAN be used creatively. Bitch and moan all you want, the fact is this tech does provide a fun novelty and form of expression to people. I know, I've experienced it first hand and witnessed it first hand. If coomers and furries and other folks aren't commissioning you to draw their OC anymore then get a real job.
My hands are just fundamentally fucked up. You do know autistic people tend to have poor fine motor skills right? It’s the reason I’m a writer and not an artist
"I am an AI artist" - wow wow wow, hold up. What do you mean *YOU* are an AI artist? AI is an artist - you just ask him to draw. You are literally a CONSUMER - an opposite of aritst, you shrimphead!
Yeah, so many people who generate images with AI completely miss this point. They're not making anything. There's nothing to be proud of when all you did was ask a computer to make you a drawing. It's not your imagination that created this, not your trained eye, not your dedication and ambition to continue learning and improving, not your years of mastering the craft. It's quite literally nothing. You learned nothing. All you did was screw over all the artists that are actually talented and deserving of praise and payment. There are no shortcuts to becoming an artist, you have to pick up a pen and get to work, only then will you make something of value
There's even a butt ton of TH-cam channels popping up that are narrated by AI, as well as a ton of youtubers using really jarring and terrifying ai images instead of just using... free stock images... I dont get it. Wouldn't it be easier to just pull a stock photo than go through the trouble of trying to create some crappy image that doesn't even fit with what they're saying that is going to haunt their viewers' dreams?
I've noticed it's bad with true crime or police bodycam videos. Like what's the point in ai generating a thumbnail? I've even seen a guy on here that takes photos of pretty news reporters, uses ai to extend the photo and give them lingerie and visible cleavage, then adds that next to a screenshot from a cartel execution with the woman's face deepfaked onto the victim. It's actually horrible.
I found a channel just like that the other day where all they posted were videos about like, every problem in nyc (mainly immigration and homelessness) with the same "NYC is falling apart!" titles. I scrolled through all their videos and the earliest ones, from like a few years ago, were guides on making easy money on youtube.
Thank you so much for doing this fundraiser! As an art teacher, I've dealt with years of people (school admin included) telling me my job doesn't mean anything, defunding from the government, and now asking if I know how to use AI. It's so dehumanizing.
I’m just an author-illustrator-book designer standing here, staring into space as tech bros declare art (a thing humans have made for tens of thousands of years) needs to be democratized by taking away my future job prospects.
Yup. And as someone wanting to get into voice acting, I totally feel your pain. The thought of Deepfake AI's and the fact that some companies are already moving towards AI voices in their games makes me wonder how long that field will even be viable. Luckily, I'm not in that field yet, so I can still watch it all happen and see if it is worth it. Unfortunately it does not sound like the same situation for you. I hope that you can still find your market value despite the massive amount of AI works coming into play these last few years, and the years to come.
I’m an author too. Seeing the AI books and book covers get sales/attention/read and reviewed when so many of us who don’t use it can’t even get a like or share is truly disheartening.
God the other day I was talking about changing my major to my family, and my only idea was a feild where I can write for a living, and my brother kept shooting everything down saying "We'll have AI doing that in a few years." and he's pro A.I. He is pro his sister never landing her dream job. Because he thinks its cool.
This summarizes my whole feelings about AI in such a succinct way. I have a long career track record on UX/UI design and web development but my true calling (and my actual college major) is in art and illustration. And the thoughts of likely never be able to turn this into a truly sustainable career thanks to AI make my blood boil. The silver lining I cling to these days is that of people eventually getting sick of the overall sameness of AI and the support to artists I've seen at real, physical art fairs.
I kind of liked Harry Potter and the Portrait of What Looked Like a Large Pile of Ash. Of course I've never read an actual Harry Potter book or seen a Harry Potter movie, so it's extra-bizarre to me since I don't know which parts are AI and which parts are Potter canon.
Regarding the Rockwell Disney painting, the 'device' is probably a carving blade and sharpening tool, but I honestly don't know. I would say a curved and/or multi-segmented relish dish is perfectly common, especially with older crystalware like that. At least we had several in our family. For the fruit arrangement, I assumed they were pears. I've never seen yams depicted with stems, and certainly there wouldn't be raw yams in the arrangement. But, apples, grapes, and pears would make sense together. (Also, Chip has the black nose, Dale has the red nose.)
Looking at Rockwell's painting, it's a carving knife and fork set next to each other. In Charles Boyer's Disney lithograph shown in the video it's a bit harder to make out. I think it's a little hard to discern because it's polished steel and silver plate on a white tablecloth, resulting in a lot of reflections. I saw the crystal as two separate dishes, one behind the other, but multi-segment dishes in various designs are also quite common as you say. A good point about the "yam" being a pear, it could be a bosc pear which has that brown colour and long tapering neck.
I gotta jump in, that's not a painting from 1943. It has Roger Rabbit, which wasn't created until the 1988. Doing some research its a 1993 remake of a 1943 painting that replaces a family with disney characters. for the record i hate most of disney, but roger rabbit is my childhood. We were broke and that was one of the few movies we had on vhs.
My favorite part about all this is how John's extensive experience skewering indie horror game decor translates perfectly to him gleefully picking apart incomprehensible AI abominations.
honestly one of the biggest tells for me with ai art is the lack of consistency with the skill level of the art one second they be perfectly making a character in 3d and the next struggling to draw pupils the same size or maintain sight lights between characters giving them a thousand yard stare
I wonder if the best way to bypass this issue in the future will be to push companies to publically showcase which artists are on their payroll. Any plans to extend the media literacy topic to scientific literacy or other similar areas in the future? I know that starts approaching 'dangerous controversies', but is important as well. Thanks for another great vid!
The other day I saw this "salt lamp" that was apparently powered by saltwater and people were claiming it to be the greatest thing when it was just saltwater activated batteries. Would love to see John tackle things like that too, too many people just fall for whatever and even waste their money on fake things.
Many companies won't have artists on their pay roll because they won't need them. Large quantities of slop fit for the masses don't need any creative input. Anything that does require creativity, any company that actually specializes in that, like (in theory) cinema or fiction, will require authors and artists.
Had an argument with someone because she said 'people hate AI because they can't draw' Um...it's exactly because I can't draw makes me appreciate artists even more And people loveeee to say 'some arts aren't even arts so AI is better' Bruh...
I CAN draw and I hate AI images. It's theft. The AI stole the source material, and the one who entered the prompt stole an opportunity from an artist. Ironic they said that, because it's the people using AI that can't draw.
@@Devanimations you're missing the point. Ai has no emotions. No substance. We are human. We have sensibility. We can convey emotions with our art. If you do that as an artist then you can't be replaced. But if your art has no emotions are you really an artist?
@@caustic69420 Your argument would make sense if it was just amateur AI """"artists"""". The thing is, though, artists are losing job opportunities because people in charge of projects realize it's cheaper to type in a few prompts and have a machine shit out something passable than pay actual artists. It doesn't matter that it's soulless dreck, if it saves money you can bet the shareholders are gonna be happy.
As an artist and fan of yours, thank you so much. It feels so validating to have you state so eloquently my frustrations with AI images. I am unironically going to share this on my Facebook for my older (and dumber) loved ones to see and hopefully understand.
@@JustKelso1993 I wasn’t saying that the older ones are the same people as the dumber ones. Also, maybe my family is dumb. That’s not evil. Nothing inherently wrong with being dumb. I have friends who are a little dumb that I would die for. You don’t know me, so get the fuck out of here and worry about yourself. Thank you ✌️
I'm an artist myself and I'm constantly worried about either getting accused of using AI or having my art stolen for it, but that worry is outweighed by my anger at the tech bros who insist that typing a prompt takes just as much work as the hours I spend sitting at my computer, how sore my fingers get, the shoulder and back cramps, constantly adjusting position to stay comfortable and taking minutes on end just to make a single line look right, adjusting colours, changing pupil position. Don't talk to me about how AI art is real art until you've flipped your canvas and blanched at how lopsided the face you've drawn is.
Same, I make mistakes with my art and I worry it’ll be torn apart when I don’t have the energy to deal with it because it was hard work just creating it in the first place! It is awful, writing a prompt is not the same at all
It genuinely does take a long time to get AI art just right though, you have to make the prompts work how you want them to and it is difficult to morph it into what your head sees.
I do a lot of art myself, I still see myself as an artist, although I don't do it professionally as I have been put off it despite trying to change to a more creative career, and will currently stick to my ICT career. I do art for hours every day but now I keep it all as personal for all my unique stuff or if it's fan art then I just release this for free for fans to enjoy. I can 100% relate when you mention spending ages getting lines and colours correct etc, I am still going through that now while going through all my courses for drawing, colour and art that I do in my own time. I was already unemployed from redundancy for 1 year even doing ICT as a career and almost bankrupt by 1 month and i'm scared of that happening again especially if I have a family to look after by then. What I hate is when AI supporters say you have to be better than the AI to succeed or go bust, because to me they are saying I have to put all the hard work in to make the art better and improve my skills/investing time and money and then they will put my work in to a generator to make their images better with none of the hard work as they just take someone elses work to generate, and then claim what they done was art. AI generated images wouldn't even be a thing if zero artists made art in the first place. Some (Some not all) AI people in the industry are crazy (Like in a Proko interview with and AI developer) they believe in a utopia with AI and even happy their own job will be gone by the AI they develop (Probably as they are getting rich off it), and they go on about how quickly everything will happen and unstoppable (This guy said it's like a boulder crashing down a hill or something like that) but have no answer for how society can adjust in such a short time.
I was so pleasantly surprised to hear you doing a fundraiser for a Philly organization! I live in Philly and work in schools. The kids are so creative and they deserve the support!
This was really informative, John. Thank you so much for putting this together. I'm pretty terrified about the direction AI is going, because media literacy is abysmal and - in my little corner of the world - it feels like people aren't motivated to do anything about it. I would be more excited about AI if it were cutting out mundane things to make room for creative endeavors, but it's doing the opposite instead.
as a disabled artist who has put so much hard work on developing my skill it makes me insane that this shit is going on. i wish it were that easy to get people to pay for my real hand drawn art as it is for these annoying tech bros. i'm so excited for the charity stream & cosplay!!
"Sewing needle guy" looks more like a guy with a toothpick showing it to the rest of the table after having stabbed his mate in both eyes with said toothpick.
I’m enjoying these video essays so much. It’s great that we get so much variety from the main channel and still get all the usual gaming videos from the second channel. I really admire your dedication to both channels and you’re doing fantastic work.
Thanks a lot for this video!! when Ai first came out I was already excited as an artist, I saw it as a tool to privately explore ideas and brainstorm before jumping onto my own work. I naively never imagined it would immediately spiral into this nightmare, but I think it's also very cool to see how lot's of people are learning to view things more critically, and appreciate handcraft rather than just consume superficially generated creations. There's slowly seem to be a surge in content awareness by consumers, and videos like these really help to spread the message :)
Weird rant, but I enjoy how you explain the AI as “confused” or “misunderstanding” rather than a more malicious word. I strongly believe that AI is not the center of the AI image problem, greedy people are. I don’t know if any of that made sense, but I enjoyed the language used :)
Easier to blame a tool than other people it seems. Kinda like how people blame guns for violence instead of people. Maybe cause we all collectively realize you can control a tool but not other people.
I know this video is 2 months old, but i wanted to add something, a year or two ago (cant remember when exactly) there was a debacle over on the R/art subreddit, someone posted a piece of art they made, and later showed proof of making, but got banned because one particular mod decided that his art was AI, even after being shown said proof. While the whole thing may not be about AI images as a whole, it is somewhat worth mentioning.
Okay, as an artist (granted, a *small* artist) I'm very glad you pointed out how we suffer from this shit. I guess I've just seen so many people defending it that it's refreshing to see someone stand up for us. I noticed you never called the genAI art and it felt nice. You clearly have a lot of respect for us, and we really need more people doing this. Also happy you talked about the moment with the DnD artist getting falsely accused. It's creating witch hunts for people who happen to use similar styles to genAI (and it's likely because their works have been scraped in the first place) and it hurts to see people having to turn on other artists and raise pitchforks any time a piece is made that "looks" suspicious.
Just like you said it's worse on small artists like yourself, not because of AI, but because of the "Fake AI" hunters, that will be more and more influenced to look "better/higher up" because they find small artists like yourself to call out your art for not being "perfect" and any imperfections they find they will cry wolf and call it "fake, it's AI, blah blah blah"- It's going to cause stress on so many new artists/beginners because they will feel like they HAVE TO BE perfect in every lining details, to hair, eyes, hands ect. and if not you get the trolls (Over the top AI hunters) to call your art piece out for not "making sense" in their eyes, I wouldn't blame it on the AI as opposed to the real people themselves that are going to be the bigger problem
@@noctis6826 not really. the problem with ai is that it combines what could superficially be regarded as "good rendering" with strange, amateur mistakes. an artist that spent that much time on a piece and has that much skill making art would also be able to populate some shelves in detail, or properly depict filaments in a lightbulb, or whatever. first of all, this will not be a problem for new artists, because they won't even be able to render something that convincingly to begin with. i say this as an artist myself - young me absolutely did not understand lighting and shading well enough to make something that could have been mistaken for ai (i'm still getting there, honestly). it's generally the really talented artists that get targeted by these witch hunts, because their art is what the ai is trying its hardest to emulate. my biggest worry with new artists is that they'll feel frustrated that their art isn't looking as "pretty" as ai images and give up. great art is not in how shiny or realistic you can make something, but in the technical skills that allow you to make what you want, how you want. an ai-generated golden turd will always be less impressive than a handmade bronze button. second of all, yes, there's absolutely times where human mistakes can be mistaken for ai, as demonstrated in the video, but most of the time, what separates an ai mistake from a human one is the why. with the thanksgiving image, the human included pears in the bowl (which john mistook for yams), placed the cucumber bowl behind the celery bowl (i don't really know what john saw with that one), and didn't detail the silverware at the back super clearly because it was in the back of the image and the way the light reflected off of it kinda obscured the fine details. the ai didn't know what kind of silverware it was generating, placed the celery in front of the glass because it didn't understand perspective, and absolutely did not know what kind of food was in that fruit bowl. that's not something you can fix by adding more detail, because the things that get pointed to in a witch hunt are primarily logical (or illogical, in an ai's case). those are also difficult to refute, because what makes sense to you might not make sense to someone else. in a way, you're right, because the true culprits are real people: the people who make generative ai models, generate images with it, and put those images online. those are the people who have created this environment where we're required to be on alert at all times, lest we get scammed by some guy on facebook using ai images to steal our personal information, or support a company that's replacing our jobs in the industry with a machine that can't do it half as well. when there's a whole forest of witches out there, it can be easy to assume all trees are the same. i think until we solve the fundamental problem of ai-generated images, it's going to be impossible for people to put down their pitchforks.
@@noctis6826 I'm with ryanwillingham on it. I got accused of making an AI image once, but i had a process video for the piece and i also made the picture in 2022 anyway, before all this AI crap took off. It hurt, but it's not the bigger problem.
@@ryanwillingham Right! It’s less that the in-fighting is an issue, and more that it’s a symptom of the main problem. I’m much more worried about AI using scraped data from artists and the fact that it’s so *deceptive*. Not to mention it’s being used right now to pretty much take jobs away from people (stuff like the MTG and Fallout ads, Disney using it for openings and shit in their shows, it being used for art assets and even text in video games) who would gladly do the work and do it in a much better manner. It does suck that people have to be jumpy with artists. I’ve seen people post things and even I’m guilty of fearing it’s AI at the start. *But* I think that the more people learn the “trademarks” of genAI images, the less we’ll see it happening. Even if someone has an artstyle similar to what gets generated, you can always look at a piece and see if anything is off. There’s pretty much always something in genAI that a person wouldn’t do because we don’t make our pieces in the same way images get generated. Things like what John pointed out. Even in harder to detect ones like, again, the MTG and Fallout images where you maybe don’t immediately notice an issue. I think I’m also just frustrated that if anyone speaks out against genAI, they get labelled as someone who simply doesn’t want tech to progress. That’s obviously not the problem people have, and yet techbros who are obsessed with this shit insist that artists are in hysterics over this. They ignore that they *need* artists for their little generators to even work because as soon as their databases scrape more AI shit from the internet, the more they get poisoned and made worse by inbreeding. They’re gleeful over seeing other people suffer and I can’t really wrap my head around why they get so much joy out of the pain of others.
really appreciate the work you put into this video. The biggest hurdle with educating others about this is the fact that it is inherently so complex, both in the discussion regarding the technology behind "Ai" and also the discussion about art, what it is, and what it isnt.
another thing to look for: i've noticed that sometimes AI can't decide on a light source, whereas an actual artist would define the different sources of light and shade accordingly.
Hi, professional artist here! Although it is true that sometimes the AI goes absolutely bonkers about light and has a certain style of using light, light is a very difficult subject to correctly translate into illustrations for beginners and sometimes intentionally overplayed, so I would always be careful to define what an "actual" artist would and would not do, because there are just so much different artstyles and approaches.
@@SabakuDoesArt ur totally right. I was thinking about my own formal training but i do realize that not every artist is whipped into shape abt light 😂😂
Hi John! I'm a long-time fan and looking forward to your charity stream! I'm really appreciating your media literacy videos and learned a lot from this one. I just wanted to point out that the first Disney painting is actually a parody of Norman Rockwell's Freedom From Want (1943) by Disney artist Charles Boyer in 1993. I'm sorry if this is pedantic, but I'm studying Norman Rockwell in school and wanted to clear this up.
John upload as soon as I'm off work, big w. Also I'm interested to see what your take is, I'm an artist that works in gaming who had a super hard time freelancing when genAI started getting more popular, and had to switch to full time studio instead of commission and freelance work. Two coworkers of mine worked at companies that laid off half their art teams, then made the other half paint over AI images and cut their pay. There's not as much talk about AI (at least on youtube, to my knowledge) in gaming spaces instead of just, art spaces, or science/philosphical spaces, so i'm rly excited to hear someone into games talk about this. Also, hope you and your wife are doing well with the baby!!
Lovely video!!! Aside from the 3944389 reasons why AI in the wrong hands has been nothing but damaging, this really has just given me so many trust issues. I simply can't be bothered to zoom in and observe every single post I come across on the internet and people are so quick to jump to conclusions (often rightfully so, we're all traumatized) that I don't know who's right or wrong. It makes consuming content that isn't curated by ME only (which is incredibly difficult nowadays) extremely exhausting...it's not fun, it's just anxiety. And not only artists are being accused, even selfies are now often wrongfully accused of being AI. What is real anymore hahaha.
The nonsense text is what really gets me about the House of Illuminati stuff. It just seems to show an extreme level of laziness that the guy couldn’t take a little time to correct even that.
Thank you for doing this video Josh, I help run and jury a convention artist alley with over 1000 applicants and it's going to get more and more difficult to vet legit artists. We require a WIP, but AI is now generating WIP images for any given AI image.
@@thepenitence I'm from Europe and i'm not ashamed to admit i've had no idea what a barbeque fork looked like. We don't really eat barbeque around here, i guess it's mostly an American thing. From where i'm it's too fancy for us, we mostly just love to do bacon roasting. It's much more fun when everyone makes their own food around a campfire and just having fun IMO.
I've been watching your videos for about 10 years now, you've often been my go-to to watch while drawing and working on commissions. Seeing this video come from you means so much to me and, and probably to all the other creatives that also watch you. It feels like most people/TH-camrs that aren't artists, don't really care that much about the threat of AI image generation and its affects on artists. To a lot of youtubers, it's a free thumbnail or stock image generator, and to others, its a controversial topic that they don't want to voice an opinion on because it's not something that affects them. So I genuinely, really appreciate you saying something and taking a hard stance with artists, and talking about the struggles we face currently. One of my biggest fears is that kids now will never dream of making a living doing art because of how hopeless AI makes it seem. Traditional mediums are going to be so important in the future I think, because when the internet is so overly saturated with fake, AI generation slop, I'm hoping that it will make real authentic art much more valuable and appreciated.
Thank you for doing this video, John. It's annoying and utterly demoralizing whenever I've had to argue against AI generation. Every non-creative I've spoken to acts like I'm some gatekeeping, awful dictator trying to make myself the arbiter of what is and isn't art. I try to make the same points you did in this video, but it all boils down to others devaluing actual human talent, creativity, and the countless hours of work it takes to get to the level they have managed or to continue creating (only to have it stolen). What's worse, people act as if we should be grateful that the computers are "doing our work for us." What's worse, some artists I know are buying into it as well, saying it "saves them time," but it feels like such a stab in the back to hear them say that given how exploitative it only makes it for all of us. Having a big creator like you make such an informative, helpful, empathetic video really does make a difference.
Man, it’s like you’re a magnet for gaslighters. You’re not crazy. Real art matters. Just because it’s technology doesn’t mean it’s progress. I wish people would realize that. People will come crawling back when these AI services eventually censor content and keywords.
The "Yam Root" - If this image was AI generated, then it kind of looks like it thought those two round red fruits were cherries and added a stem between them.
The grandma cakes, oh my god. For awhile Facebook kept filling my feed with them so I started screenshotting them because it was so weird. I probably have over 50 of them saved, and there was never a single person in the comments pointing it out.
18:16 Fun fact: AI is even worse at doing accurate numbering sequences than it is at doing coherent words in images. The weird warping on the right of that dial is actually also a sign that whatever the AI originally generated was photoshopped out and replaced with something else; if I recall correctly, the """"artist"""" of that image literally just ripped a dial image they found off of google and slapped that over whatever was generated under it.
I think the worst part is how its almost always about the money, its one thing to just replace art, but to sell ai art for money is just terrible. Youre taking money from someone who actually put in effort. I also really hate how people call themselves "ai artists" its like calling yourself a carpenter when all you did was tell someone "build me a house with some doors and rooms, maybe a garage too, and windows" and calling yourself a carpenter when they build something vaguely similar to it. Its all for a quick buck because its the popular thing to make money on nowadays, same thing with crypto same thing with nfts. Once laws are put into place to prevent mostly copywritten work and stuff to be put into ai and the content farms are more regulated itll die off in its insane amount of popularity it has now. Its happened time and time again this is just the new cryptobro fad for easy money by tricking people into giving it to them for low effort.
Of course its about the money. The economy is fucked, what did you expect? If I can make something nicer than you in 5 minutes than you do in 15 hours, why not? But of course, people will get enough of AI eventually and real craftmanship will be valued higher
the cabin crew phenomenon as i've seen it is just an amalgam of the more popular/engaged with types of images on the internet: bright colors, "conventionally attractive" women, satisfying uniformity, religious imagery, sexually suggestive clothing (miniskirts, open blouses, etc.). There could be something deeper but I refuse to knowingly engage with AI generated content long enough to find out
All I can say is thank you. You have me crying because I was starting to doubt and wonder if I should even continue to create at times. You put those thoughts to rest.
The fact that there are people and whole-ass companies that think ai images are a substitute for real art, And the fact that they’d rather use ai, rather than pay an artist… the whole thing makes my blood boil.
"Featuring AI generated sculptures of Jesus Christ. They can be made out of wood, onions, shrimp..." I was not prepared for how unhinged facebook has gotten apparently LMAO
I just want to say, John, I love these in-depth video essays you do. They are informational, educational, and most importantly, entertaining. Thanks for you hard work and I'm excited for the next one!
As someone who is wanting to get into voice acting, this is a very real fear of mine. . . . That and the possibility that in the next 10 years everyone will just use AI voices instead, as some game developers have already been going that direction or at least testing the waters. Both outcomes suck, but one sucks significantly more. I'd rather not be imprisoned for life because someone "made" me say unimaginable horrors, thank you very much! >:(
@Raycloud misinformation and defamation maybe? Faking someone famous or particularly public saying something horrendous. Faking experts like doctors and such giving out 'advice'. Faking political figures making declarations and statements that could harm international relations? The more advanced ai voice acting gets, the harder it'll be to prove these things as fake.
Oooo yeah John we'd LOVE to see you deep dive into some of those A.I. books! It would be extremely entertaining to see you do that, but it also would shine a light on other forms of A.I. "art" that dont get talked about as much
It's so exciting watching your content grow and change!! I can confidently say that youre my longest running TH-cam subscription, and I've never stopped watching. Thanks for all the great content over the years, it's really great to see you thriving.
Bro as a struggling artist myself i apreciate someone like you bringing attention to this topic. I thought i had it bad with the digital art era now we got to compete with cheap generated images too lol ohwell tis life but thanks for this vid means alott to me ❤
so happy to also see you cover this john!! I'm a part of the artist community as well and it warms me so much to see you fighting for us as well!! your one of my favourite TH-camrs you never shy away from so many topics its so cool!!!
Crazy how brands keep using Ai arts because it's cheaper than real artists and by this tarnish their reputation and chase away fans which is sooo much worse than just paying a bit more for some promo arts
I think the 'original Disney Thanksgiving' painting was done by Charles Boyer, although it was referencing Norman Rockwell's painting. But I appreciate this video covering a variety of aspects related to AI-generated content (especially images), including people starting witch hunts because some artists are wrongly getting accused of using AI. It ties very well with what you said about the importance of awareness and edcuating one's self in one of the paranomal videos.
Thank you so much for making a video on this matter. As an artist is truly infuriating and annoying to see how much AI is been implemented in not only art but basically every field possible. I truly appreciate the effort and passion you put in every video🙏🏻
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hate to be that guy but bro we need more reactions of fake ghost videos dude they are pure comedy and actually really educational. you help people to be able and point out the editing and bs in thoes videos. please do another one soon🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
You've came a long way from your earlier content. Good job dude👍
Almost to 1 Million Sub! so proud of how far you 've made it, thank you for all the videos.
It's a deliberate data poisoning. The whole thing is actually a conspiracy.
Please please please do a lengthy debunking of Michelo 2.0’s Ouija livestreams I would even pay you if you asked
Hey everyone! If you could upvote this for visibility, I’d greatly appreciate it. (I can’t pin this comment unfortunately - the pinned comment is for the sponsor)
Late in the video, I misattributed a 1993 painting by Charles Boyer. I said it was a 1943 painting by Norman Rockwell, which was what Boyer paid homage to with his painting. In fact, the elements of the painting I talked about in the video were all in Rockwell’s original as well.
Thanks to everyone who pointed out this mistake, I don’t know how I got it wrong. Thankfully, they are both handmade paintings so the point I was trying to illustrate still stands - but it is very frustrating to get the attribution wrong, especially in a video where I am trying to champion artist autonomy. Very sorry for the mistake, I need to be better about double checking these things.
Thanks for reading, and hope that this did not taint the points made in the video.
John
PS. It is so frustrating that TH-cam has existed for almost 20 years and there is still no way to issue an in-video correction. Would love to put a quick line of text in that part of the video.
I'm sorry that TH-cam doesn't make this easier. It at least used to have annotations; no idea why they stopped doing that.
It's also kind of odd that you can't pin multiple comments.
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Upvoted! I was about to comment this myself 😂 I go to the Norman Rockwell museum every year or so (they have different temporary exhibits that are awesome) so I was like …. John?????????
Upvoting it
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Also as one tweet had said: I want AI to do my laundry while I do art, not do art while I do the laundry
THIS. THIS. THIS. THIS.
You will be still able to do art. You won't be able to sell it at outrageous prices ($80+) anymore though.
@@UltimatePerfection Artists often spend 10+ hours on a single artwork $80 is barely minimum wage
@@UltimatePerfection tell me youve never made any art ever without saying it
@@ediot1426 I have. I even have a webcomic. Do your research.
As an artist, another annoying thing about how saturated the internet is with AI is whenever im looking at Pinterest or Google for reference photos 70% of what i see is AI.
I got told to "get over it" when I called out someone on Pinterest for sharing AI images. 🙄
@@PersephoneDaSilva I mean, Pandora's box has been opened. It's going to be hard to stuff all the nasty back in. But that doesn't mean we should just "get over it". We should always demand accountability from people trying to sell us something, or make us believe something is real when it isn't.
This has been driving me bonkers. I was trying to find rococo style paintings and it was just egregious.
Amen....xD
Amen 🙏
One place I’ve seen AI imagery pop up a lot lately is in crochet. People will generate AI images of completed crochet projects, often complex plushies, and use them to sell “patterns” for this nonexistent and impossible creations. It’s all a scam of course, as there is no pattern and if there is it won’t result in anything even close to the images. More seasoned crocheters can usually tell since AI isn’t great at figuring out stitches. But a lot of newer crocheters, or older people in the hobby who aren’t as familiar with AI in general are getting scammed by it.
Oh my god this is soooooo true. I got into crochet in the last year and joined a bunch of groups on Facebook for ideas and tips but now every post is AI fakery and scams. I see endless photos of creepy uncanny valley "grandchildren" in ridiculously elaborate and impossible clothing.
I'm close to leaving the groups because there's no value there anymore
As a slovenian, if its not white, its impossible.
(Black people are made of white light. Everyone is white. That is neutral and a fact)
Bro what was that💀
Sewing patterns too. Etsy is a minefield of AI patterns just waiting for new sewists.
even some literal yarn companies do this, lion brand is who ive seen do it the most, they do mention it in the caption as being AI but its still horrendous to see when there are so many pattern designers who make awesome stuff and instead of platforming and paying them they just do AI bullshit
I sent this video to my grandma, and she sent me back a picture of herself celebrating her 139th birthday with a message saying "I made this with peach cream filling".
Amen!
Amen 🙏
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The Wacom tablet “dragon” one feels particularly insulting. You want actual artists to spend money on your product but can’t be bothered to commission an actual artist for your advertisement?
It's even worse because it's so expensive compared to other brands
eh they were already exploiting artists with the price of their products, not surprising in any way to me
They could've just set up a contest and give away one tablet to the winner and use the winning piece for advertisement. Still ripping off artists, but at least they'd have real art as promotion...
The fact that Wacom used AI in their ad caused a HUGE uproar. And I really appreciate your section near the end about artists being accused of AI, there are so many artists that have a very polished, glossy style that are being swamped with accusations and it sucks!!
Right, it's almost as if AI is being trained on artists, so there will always be actual people who have that kind of artstyle. Lol
I certainly didn't hear about the Wacom thing until now, though to be fair I don't keep up with news all that much
I have a Wacom tablet from about like, a decade back, and I still use it on occasion to this day (I forgot about it for a while after changing computers and losing the software disc that came with it, but the thing still works like a charm), but I have been considering getting a new tablet cause the lil loop of fabric meant to hold the stylus is coming loose
Guess I'll have to look elsewhere lul
@@lordmarshmal_0643just hot glue a loop of fabric, why a whole new tablet
@@lordmarshmal_0643 The problem is that Wacom is still one of the best around in terms of quality...
One thing I see a lot with AI images is people asking "what is this from?" thinking it's fanart. The answer is "nothing," which is tragic to me. Somebody sees something they think is beautiful and inspiring, they want to know the origin so they can see more, and there IS no more. It means nothing and comes from nothing.
Technically, it did come from somewhere. Terabytes of data gleaned from images and art who's creators likely are entirely unaware that their work was used to train an AI, and of course with so much data, it's impossible to tell who's work the AI image is "taking notes" from, even if you ask if to generate something in a specific artists style.
@@That_One_Xatu I do know that, but the AI has amalgamated it into something to the point where you cannot even identify what creators its stolen from.
What? Fanart isn't the same as using AI generated art. Fan create Fanart because they love the art and correct me if I wrong isn't there artist out there hates fan art? I am an artist in a way.. my drawing isn't that great but I would mind people art fan art because it means people love your work and people will still follow you no matter what.
You mean nothing
@@randomrants148They're saying that people see an AI image and THINK it's fanart, but it's not, which is sad because fanart is so cool and AI images are not
As a shareholder, I have to say that this media literacy and critical thinking content is the reason I buy stock in John Wolfe Industries. He presents the content so well, and it is based in something he has held so dear for as long as I have watched his content. Think Critically.
Amen 🙏
@@AngelicMads Amen! Praise onion Jesus!
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This isn't even the worst parts of AI. I have seen several news stories now of students that use AI to generate inappropriate deepfakes of their own classmates. And those students are left in a grey area since the laws haven't really caught up to AI yet.
I'm glad you made this video to spread awareness. It's a shame to see how oversaturated the internet is with AI now.
Man, I've never even heard of these stories. That's disgusting. I honestly think that AI deepfakes should be criminal, and fines or even prison time should be set up depending on the severity of the deepfake. Sure, some of the AI videos that use the voices of presidents to bicker about absolutely nothing can be good fun, the potential for real criminal activity is too great.
Even look at the situation with the streamer QTcinderella (I think that was her name), where one of her friends was watching deepfake NSFW content of her, without her or his wife knowing, and was only found out because he forgot to close his tabs one stream. Truly terrible and disgusting.
At least there is a start on some regulation, while not perfect from the EU, it's called the Artifical Intelligence Act passed on March this year. But any actual criminal activity being dealt with needs to be done at a country level. The issue with those deepfakes with classmates is even some questionable adults can do the same with basically any child image online, whether stock image or otherwise.
@@kanekotakudo9690we’ve already had people sadly ending their lives after being used for nsfw ai generation
Yep.There have already been several cases like that last year in my country, too. All of them had to do with images of minors that were generated like that to blackmail the chidren who were all school girls (of course), and in all of the cases the images were produced by boys of the same age or older who were also still in school. The blackmailing wasn't just for money, they were trying to make the girls do whatever they told them to or else they'd release the images publicly and/or send them to the girls' families.
BUT! This doesn't even end here, because I wanted to share that in regards to another thing which goes hand in hand with the subject of *media literacy*. And that is how gullible some people can be about what AI can and cannot do. Because, you see, one of my colleagues at work had just learnt about one of these stories last year and decided to mention it to me. But to my surprise what she took from the news report was that AI can actually take a photo of someone and "remove the clothes" basically revealing that person's naked body as if they were ohotographed naked. It took me soooo long to convince her that that's impossible especially if the AI cannot use an already existing naked photo of the said person, it can't just guess exactly what your body will look like under your clothes. I kept repeating the same things over and over, I was explaining it very simply - the whole process of generating an image by using a data base, how AI isn't a "creative person" who can use their imagination and just draw something out of nothing, that AI uses only what it's fed with, that it doesn't "remove the clothes", but instead plasters a body that belongs to no one on the head of someone real (in the case with those schoolgirls), that images like these have already been produced for years, just not with "AI", but by people who meticulously "photoshopped" them themselves, "by hand", if you will... I'm not even going to continue, you can imagine a discussion like that. And what's really scary here is HOW MANY PEOPLE are actually that much "media illiterate" and how hard it is to change many of their minds, since they just believe what they hear without questioning it at all. And then, because they have so very little knowledge on the subjects, even if the news are presented correctly, they just don't understand them and come up with wrong explanations/further details about them.
@@Charsy8 You are right that people were essentially doing the same thing with photoshop before AI. It's always been a problem but now AI has made it so much more accessible for anyone to make exploitive images. Hopefully this will shine a light on media literacy and put into action more safeguards against this kind of thing.
JohnWolfe, PLEASE talk about the AI books, and other AI generated books that are trying to be sold on Amazon. Would love to see how terrible, inconsistent, nonsensical, and hilarious some of these stories must have!
Last year I was sent one to review for Amazon Vine. The other Vine reviewers who received the book reviewed it positively, praising how sweet it was, etc. But as soon as I opened it, I knew right away the pictures and text were all AI.
It was an animal-themed Christianity book for babies. It comes with a baby lamb plushie that is pretty cute, but the book is awful. I guess the other reviewers thought the book didn't need to make sense because it's for babies, but I disagree.
There is a foldable human video made a while ago about how the idea of barely comprehensible, low effort books created at massive quantities was being sold by those “wealth coaches” that used services that paid very little to their workers to create books, I can’t help but think about how that problem is now a million times worse now that you can get a sleeping machine to do that in a second
Also there are AI made coloringbooks. I saw one while browsing a dinousaur subbreddit.
I experimented with several scenarios for AI to generate short stories. Long story short, every one of them looked like they were written by a child the night before their book report was due. It was entertaining.
I second this, please deep dive, amen 🙏
As soon as I see signs of AI, I stop watching the video, leave the website it's on, decide not to buy the product, etc. I don't want anything to do with it. It's just an immediate sign that whoever it is doesn't care about quality.
Lmao you do know TH-cam uses ai for its algorithms right?
@@simoneidson21 I'm talking about in content generation, as should be obvious by the topic of this video.
@@thejosh3866I’m the same way. As soon as I realize that someone is using AI in any kind of promo I immediately loose interest in whatever they’re selling. It is convenient though, usually you have to do a little investigating to know if somebody is an uninspired, lazy hack; now with people using AI images you can learn everything you need to know about them instantly!
@@simoneidson21dumb dumb
@@simoneidson21most intelligent AI bro
The hands, backgrounds, and spelling are self-explanatory, but I can usually detect AI images from the “art style” alone. Unless a specific style is detailed in the prompt (and sometimes if it is), AI images always have this plasticky, smooth-shaded, cheap CGI look to them. AI also struggles to render consistent patterns and realistic lighting/shading, so keep an eye out for those too.
I'm a Tolkien fan and unfortunately a lot of artists make Tolkien's Elves look plasticky, flawless, too smooth, etc. So, it's really hard to tell if their AI made or not. They either have to say it's AI made, or you have to ask. And when you do, chances are you won't get a response.
@@PersephoneDaSilva you can almost always tell by the way the face is. It will always have a somewhat uncanny look to them. A character’s face from Ai will always be the same as well. That and the way the character will face is a 3/4 pose as well.
And you can tell because the severe lack of visible brush strokes. Even with a similar style that Ai does, a human will most definitely have natural brush strokes, making the painting feel more authentic and lively. Ai cannot recreate true brush strokes.
@@Destiny_smI think you can also tell if the art is AI-generated if you look at the eyes. Most AI art has this "soulless" look in the eyes from the images I've looked into.
Yes the ai art style is so weird. It's like.. fleshy and slimy.. but also looks like a tofu texture.
@kingdomarts2019 to add on to this, the faces if there's multiple people (esp of the same sex) they will look identical, maybe different hair colours but still twins.
Artist here! I thank you for this video. Media literacy is a major issue nowadays that even a trained eye can become skeptical! I agree that AI images are dystopian AF but the human experience shall prevail!!!
It is, because AI Art is obvious. The artstyle is very consistent
The fact that everything I search on the internet turns up to be 50% AI generated is extremely annoying. Especially images. Searched for mundane stock pictures like 'woman watching tv' and it's filled with AI prompt sh*t. I'm so over this.
if you have filters using "before:2020" gives you mostly AI-less results
Main workaround I use is to either put "-ai" or "before: 2021" in when I search things up on Google images. I'd imagine you could get fancier with something like uBlock, or find workarounds for other search engines. It's incredibly frustrating and I hate that this is something that even needs to be done.
Great video and I LOVE that you wrapped it up with a fundraiser ! Wouldn't miss it! Setting my alarm now
not only that but for animal and plant pictures they end up being filled with inaccuracies which can be pretty bad if you're looking for something like "poisonous plants"
I noticed this happening just the other day and I already hate it. I know it will only get worse. All I wanted was a real image from a certain game or something (I can't remember exactly) and there was a bunch of clearly AI stuff in there. ugh
As an illustrator, I'm deeply appreciative of the time you took to research and talk about this topic. It's really disheartening to see companies and techbros gleefully embracing AI to either make a quick buck, or to dunk on artists for the sole purpose of dunking them. Not to mention those who try to lie and say it's beneficial to artists instead of talking about the harm it can do to the creative industry. I can't even google images for accurate references without having to sift through the AI crap that's overtaken search engines. It's definitely something that has frustrated and saddened me for a long time, so it was kind of cathartic to just see you tear apart on the more prominent examples in this video ahahah. I had no idea of the state of Facebook, that's creepy as hell. They can't regulate this stuff fast enough. Thank you for being a supporter of artists and creatives, it means so much ♥ I look forward to your next fundraiser.
I would love to see a deep dive video on the AI books being "published." I actually narrate audiobooks, and it's CRAZY how many titles are submitted that are written by AI and have to immediately be taken down from the platform. Not only are narrators struggling with finding work because many authors are now opting to simply have their books narrated by AI, but now we have to weed out the titles that weren't even written by a human being. And sometimes, narrators don't realize that the book was written by AI until they have already agreed to the contract to finish narrating it. Then, the title will get removed from Audible for not being real, so the narrator would have wasted their time without being able to receive any royalties from sales (if the book even were to make any sales).
Amen 🙏
Plus! The chances are better than good that whoever prompted that AI book and then went on ACX to get it narrated is just going to take those narration files and feed them into another LLM to train it with your voice. Not like they care about copyrights or contracts. They all claim "fair use" anyway. Another audiobook narrator right here with you.
I cancelled my Audible subscription because of all the books that are being read by AI.
These books are a nightmare to legit writers like me and my indie buds. Covers, narrators, the actual stories - the AI users are burying us.
There's a Roughest Drafts video that covers a few AI generated poetry books which was pretty interesting. Not exactly the same as what you're talking about but still interesting!
32:12 I'm sorry to have to be that person correcting in the comments, but misinformation (even accidental) is a relevant topic here. It's impossible for the Disney Thanksgiving image to be a Norman Rockwell painting, and especially not a 1943 one. Norman Rockwell died in 1978, but Roger Rabbit-the character in the bottom right corner-did not exist until 1981, and the movie with this particular design was released in 1988. The rest of the characters ARE from movies released during Rockwell's lifetime, but some after the given 1943 date: Song of the South (1946), Alice in Wonderland (1951), and Peter Pan (1953).
The REAL 1943 Norman Rockwell painting this is all based off of is called "Freedom from Want" and has nothing to do with Disney. Now, it is worth mentioning that the specific AI "gotchas" John pointed out are still present in the original. And it is also possible that the Disney-fied version (not the second obviously AI version) is an actual painting done in tribute, or a digitally edited version of the original. The point about not confusing human mistakes for AI ones still stands, but hopefully now with some added context.
As soon as I saw Br’er Bear I knew it couldn’t be recent, but Song of the South came out after 1943 and wasn’t released publicly after the mid-1980’s so it kind of an obscure character.
I think people wouldn't normally guess that unless they have the history of the painting and character.
@@memi510 Thank you for the added info!
Thank you for clearing Mr Rockwells name from that Disney Thanksgiving mess.
@@Cymorill8 I had a song of the South picture book from the late 60's when I was a kid (in the 80's) Disney was unashamed by that picture for most of its existence.
The amount of respect I have for John 'Danger' Wolfe is immeasurable.
J D Wolfe - a man for the people!
@@madeniquevanwykJD Wolfe sounds like the name of a goosebumps character that’s secretly a werewolf
Thanks John for this video! I'm a high school teacher and I'm showing parts of this video to my students as a part of an activity about analyzing media for AI. The comedic moments made it more enjoyable for them, when normally they'd put their heads down on their desks. I've been a shareholder for a while and I'm glad I've invested. Keep up the good work! ❤
The spelling mistakes in AI posters kill me every time omfg
Amen 🙏
At least they spell better than most people!
What makes me even more annoyed is that the lazy people using those posters can’t even bother to edit real text on top, you could even open the images in paint and use a brush to delete that and write something that makes sense!!! But they can’t even do that!!!!
@@crizmeow8394 Im starting to think that those lazy people arent "people" at all.
@@yeahthatkornelI feel a lot of those interaction pages are all full bot but for example the guy behind the Willy wonka scam is a human man who couldn’t bother to write real text haha
I am an oil painter and it is extremely frustrating to see all the AI images show up on google searches. It can be as much as 50 percent of the images in a search and they get incredibly bad. Thank you for bringing more attention to this topic especially the problematic use of it by large corporations.
I'm surprised I don't see more people talking about how unusable Google images has become because of ai. Unless you're looking for something specific a huge portion of the results are ai images
Google images has been unusable for years. It's just more obvious now. Google as a search engine in general is near unusable now. Instead of legitimate results, it's filled with "related topics" and advertisements. You actually have to go to the second page to get real results.
I have not noticed it yet, though I suspect this problem will become worse in the future. Maybe Google will push a feature where you can pay $1.99 a month for the PREMIUM search, which has the ability to filter out AI art.
If you think this is nonsense, I guarantee you, it's only a matter of time.
you should ditch google and use an alternative like DuckDuckGo
@@anywhere_but_here DDG has also jumped into the AI garbage truck, so no luck there
@@OrgaNik_Music theyve definitely been making questionable decisions in the past couple years (like implementing SEO for example) but its still better than google imo
As an artist myself, thank you for making this video. In my experience, most people don’t understand or care about the time that goes into making a work of art. They want it fast and cheap. It’s bad enough that there’s a potential for my work to be stolen. But I continue to make art, AI can’t replace or replicate an artist’s voice or mind.
AI art is scarier than any horror game. But the thing that’s scarier than that, is how many people fall for it. People who can: drive, VOTE, have a decision in someone’s life.
Amen 🙏
thats cause folks aint scared of AI, they embrace it even
@@PrimordialKosmicJoeOnly lazy people with zero skill or imagination embrace AI.
DO not forget that the first 10+ comments are also AI or botfarms trying to up the views artificially
@@stevenvanhaezevelde6135 I am a funny human
OMG THE WESKER COSPLAY IS HAPPENING
Excitement aside I really appreciate John's thoughtfulness and empathy with topics like this
I think what’s so disheartening about AI images that people try to pass off as art is that it’s taking the HEART out of art. The 1000 yard stares in really messed up, uneven eyes, the overall messiness/distortion.. It sucks and I hate that actual artists are being skipped over because AI is cheaper. There’s just some things in life that can’t be replicated/replaced
Amen 🙏
Stable Diffusion 3 seems promising so hopefully it'll solve those issues.
@@Brandon82967 No.
To be honest, if a company/individual would rather go with an AI generated image than hire an actual artist, they are probably shit to work with. It is clearly not ideal, but at least you know where their values lie. Silver lining, y'know.
Even if AI art becomes better visually than human art, i dont want it. To me the person behind it is what makes the end product rich and interesting. Different takes on colour, framing, rendering that were developed by understanding the rules and experiencing and observing the real world. I want historical context and personal commentary, a real voice shining through every brush stroke. I may sound up my own ass a little, but i really dont see any of that depth and potential for analysis in AI art.
All the companies pushing their AI products say this allows non- artists/musicians/authors to create too. They have a tone of animosity toward artists, like we’re all elites in ivory towers gate keeping creative expression.
There is nothing stopping anyone from creating things except laziness or fear of trying. I wasn’t born with a paint brush in my hand. I’ve been on a 43 year journey to get where I am with my artistic output. Nothing is stopping anyone from learning how to express themselves creatively. Using shortcuts/cheatcodes does not provide the satisfaction of actually making something yourself just like hacking a game doesn’t mean your actually good at playing it.
Yeah, that's the thing that is always missing from AI discussions I see online. Art requires a process which is where the majority of human creativity comes from. AI removes said process from human beings, so any actual creative fullfillment is gone. So it's not actual art.
And I'm sure that people who play video games wouldn't be happy if AI was packaged into games that made a magic "you win" button so the entire process of playing a game was taken away from them.
You are a reason that people are resentful. You lie to yourself about the role natural talent played in whatever art skills you may or may not have. Yes, time and dedication are part of it too, but so too is innate talent. Not everybody wants to spend that kind of time, or has that kind of time, to do that. You could make your argument about any device that has allowed 1 person to do what once took several people or many hours or years of study. Why don't you learn how to use a English Long Bow?
I find AI image generators to be a fun toy. It DOES let me exercise some of my creative impulses simple by imagining something in my head and then trying to get some approximation of that to manifest from the prompt. It has much potential in the future when a casual user will be able to put more detail into a prompt and to teach an AI how to remember and accurately re-draw consistent characters and locations. It CAN be used creatively. Bitch and moan all you want, the fact is this tech does provide a fun novelty and form of expression to people. I know, I've experienced it first hand and witnessed it first hand.
If coomers and furries and other folks aren't commissioning you to draw their OC anymore then get a real job.
My hands are just fundamentally fucked up. You do know autistic people tend to have poor fine motor skills right? It’s the reason I’m a writer and not an artist
"I am an AI artist" - wow wow wow, hold up. What do you mean *YOU* are an AI artist?
AI is an artist - you just ask him to draw. You are literally a CONSUMER - an opposite of aritst, you shrimphead!
Yeah, so many people who generate images with AI completely miss this point. They're not making anything. There's nothing to be proud of when all you did was ask a computer to make you a drawing. It's not your imagination that created this, not your trained eye, not your dedication and ambition to continue learning and improving, not your years of mastering the craft. It's quite literally nothing. You learned nothing. All you did was screw over all the artists that are actually talented and deserving of praise and payment. There are no shortcuts to becoming an artist, you have to pick up a pen and get to work, only then will you make something of value
There's even a butt ton of TH-cam channels popping up that are narrated by AI, as well as a ton of youtubers using really jarring and terrifying ai images instead of just using... free stock images... I dont get it. Wouldn't it be easier to just pull a stock photo than go through the trouble of trying to create some crappy image that doesn't even fit with what they're saying that is going to haunt their viewers' dreams?
There's so many shorts that just steal tik toks, slap ai voice and even say blatant lies and get insane views. It's terrible
I've noticed it's bad with true crime or police bodycam videos. Like what's the point in ai generating a thumbnail? I've even seen a guy on here that takes photos of pretty news reporters, uses ai to extend the photo and give them lingerie and visible cleavage, then adds that next to a screenshot from a cartel execution with the woman's face deepfaked onto the victim. It's actually horrible.
@@cowbearrie I feel like there's gotta be some law against editing images of other people that you don't own
I found a channel just like that the other day where all they posted were videos about like, every problem in nyc (mainly immigration and homelessness) with the same "NYC is falling apart!" titles. I scrolled through all their videos and the earliest ones, from like a few years ago, were guides on making easy money on youtube.
I think I speak for all of us when I say we want, no, we NEED the book deep dive.
A writer on yt already did it and i personally found it very funny and insightful, his name is Nick Carlson Press :)
As a shareholder I wholeheartedly agree with that statement!
Thank you so much for doing this fundraiser! As an art teacher, I've dealt with years of people (school admin included) telling me my job doesn't mean anything, defunding from the government, and now asking if I know how to use AI. It's so dehumanizing.
That is sad :c I'm a graphic designer and no real artist but can understand
I’m just an author-illustrator-book designer standing here, staring into space as tech bros declare art (a thing humans have made for tens of thousands of years) needs to be democratized by taking away my future job prospects.
Yup. And as someone wanting to get into voice acting, I totally feel your pain. The thought of Deepfake AI's and the fact that some companies are already moving towards AI voices in their games makes me wonder how long that field will even be viable.
Luckily, I'm not in that field yet, so I can still watch it all happen and see if it is worth it. Unfortunately it does not sound like the same situation for you.
I hope that you can still find your market value despite the massive amount of AI works coming into play these last few years, and the years to come.
I’m an author too. Seeing the AI books and book covers get sales/attention/read and reviewed when so many of us who don’t use it can’t even get a like or share is truly disheartening.
God the other day I was talking about changing my major to my family, and my only idea was a feild where I can write for a living, and my brother kept shooting everything down saying "We'll have AI doing that in a few years." and he's pro A.I. He is pro his sister never landing her dream job. Because he thinks its cool.
This summarizes my whole feelings about AI in such a succinct way. I have a long career track record on UX/UI design and web development but my true calling (and my actual college major) is in art and illustration. And the thoughts of likely never be able to turn this into a truly sustainable career thanks to AI make my blood boil. The silver lining I cling to these days is that of people eventually getting sick of the overall sameness of AI and the support to artists I've seen at real, physical art fairs.
Even worse the people who defend it and see no issue with destroying much of people's hard work or efforts.
Oddly much lack of morality
I would totally watch a video of you reading A.I. books! One of my favorite videos of yours is you reading Jeff the killer fanfiction
I kind of liked Harry Potter and the Portrait of What Looked Like a Large Pile of Ash.
Of course I've never read an actual Harry Potter book or seen a Harry Potter movie, so it's extra-bizarre to me since I don't know which parts are AI and which parts are Potter canon.
Regarding the Rockwell Disney painting, the 'device' is probably a carving blade and sharpening tool, but I honestly don't know. I would say a curved and/or multi-segmented relish dish is perfectly common, especially with older crystalware like that. At least we had several in our family. For the fruit arrangement, I assumed they were pears. I've never seen yams depicted with stems, and certainly there wouldn't be raw yams in the arrangement. But, apples, grapes, and pears would make sense together.
(Also, Chip has the black nose, Dale has the red nose.)
Looking at Rockwell's painting, it's a carving knife and fork set next to each other. In Charles Boyer's Disney lithograph shown in the video it's a bit harder to make out. I think it's a little hard to discern because it's polished steel and silver plate on a white tablecloth, resulting in a lot of reflections. I saw the crystal as two separate dishes, one behind the other, but multi-segment dishes in various designs are also quite common as you say. A good point about the "yam" being a pear, it could be a bosc pear which has that brown colour and long tapering neck.
thank you john....
I gotta jump in, that's not a painting from 1943. It has Roger Rabbit, which wasn't created until the 1988.
Doing some research its a 1993 remake of a 1943 painting that replaces a family with disney characters.
for the record i hate most of disney, but roger rabbit is my childhood. We were broke and that was one of the few movies we had on vhs.
The amount of respect I have for John Wolfe is immeasurable.
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Amen!! Beautiful cabin crew!
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Amen 🙏
My favorite part about all this is how John's extensive experience skewering indie horror game decor translates perfectly to him gleefully picking apart incomprehensible AI abominations.
honestly one of the biggest tells for me with ai art is the lack of consistency with the skill level of the art one second they be perfectly making a character in 3d and the next struggling to draw pupils the same size or maintain sight lights between characters giving them a thousand yard stare
He made this video with his own two hands 😍
Beautiful Cabin Crew🌹
Scarlet Johansson💋💋
Now lets pray for the african kid who made a motorcycle out of sand 🙏
Amen 🙏
(god i hate ai facebook slop)
I wonder if the best way to bypass this issue in the future will be to push companies to publically showcase which artists are on their payroll.
Any plans to extend the media literacy topic to scientific literacy or other similar areas in the future? I know that starts approaching 'dangerous controversies', but is important as well.
Thanks for another great vid!
The other day I saw this "salt lamp" that was apparently powered by saltwater and people were claiming it to be the greatest thing when it was just saltwater activated batteries.
Would love to see John tackle things like that too, too many people just fall for whatever and even waste their money on fake things.
Many companies won't have artists on their pay roll because they won't need them. Large quantities of slop fit for the masses don't need any creative input. Anything that does require creativity, any company that actually specializes in that, like (in theory) cinema or fiction, will require authors and artists.
Had an argument with someone because she said 'people hate AI because they can't draw'
Um...it's exactly because I can't draw makes me appreciate artists even more
And people loveeee to say 'some arts aren't even arts so AI is better'
Bruh...
Honestly if a heartless robot with no emotions has the capability to replace you then you're just not a very good artist
@@caustic69420 It's not the artist's fault. It's greed. That was an ignorant comment.
I CAN draw and I hate AI images. It's theft. The AI stole the source material, and the one who entered the prompt stole an opportunity from an artist. Ironic they said that, because it's the people using AI that can't draw.
@@Devanimations you're missing the point. Ai has no emotions. No substance. We are human. We have sensibility. We can convey emotions with our art. If you do that as an artist then you can't be replaced. But if your art has no emotions are you really an artist?
@@caustic69420 Your argument would make sense if it was just amateur AI """"artists"""". The thing is, though, artists are losing job opportunities because people in charge of projects realize it's cheaper to type in a few prompts and have a machine shit out something passable than pay actual artists. It doesn't matter that it's soulless dreck, if it saves money you can bet the shareholders are gonna be happy.
That's an absolute "yes" from me on reviewing the Billy Coull books, John. I can only imagine what a fever dream those must be.
As an artist and fan of yours, thank you so much. It feels so validating to have you state so eloquently my frustrations with AI images. I am unironically going to share this on my Facebook for my older (and dumber) loved ones to see and hopefully understand.
Wow, your older family members deserve better than you.
@@JustKelso1993 I wasn’t saying that the older ones are the same people as the dumber ones. Also, maybe my family is dumb. That’s not evil. Nothing inherently wrong with being dumb. I have friends who are a little dumb that I would die for. You don’t know me, so get the fuck out of here and worry about yourself. Thank you ✌️
I'm an artist myself and I'm constantly worried about either getting accused of using AI or having my art stolen for it, but that worry is outweighed by my anger at the tech bros who insist that typing a prompt takes just as much work as the hours I spend sitting at my computer, how sore my fingers get, the shoulder and back cramps, constantly adjusting position to stay comfortable and taking minutes on end just to make a single line look right, adjusting colours, changing pupil position. Don't talk to me about how AI art is real art until you've flipped your canvas and blanched at how lopsided the face you've drawn is.
Same, I make mistakes with my art and I worry it’ll be torn apart when I don’t have the energy to deal with it because it was hard work just creating it in the first place! It is awful, writing a prompt is not the same at all
It genuinely does take a long time to get AI art just right though, you have to make the prompts work how you want them to and it is difficult to morph it into what your head sees.
@@JustKelso1993 Now imagine how long it takes to actually draw the art the AI steals to generate its slop.
@@rainylupin Well that 'slop' is taking your jobs so I guess it is pretty good slop😂
I do a lot of art myself, I still see myself as an artist, although I don't do it professionally as I have been put off it despite trying to change to a more creative career, and will currently stick to my ICT career. I do art for hours every day but now I keep it all as personal for all my unique stuff or if it's fan art then I just release this for free for fans to enjoy. I can 100% relate when you mention spending ages getting lines and colours correct etc, I am still going through that now while going through all my courses for drawing, colour and art that I do in my own time. I was already unemployed from redundancy for 1 year even doing ICT as a career and almost bankrupt by 1 month and i'm scared of that happening again especially if I have a family to look after by then.
What I hate is when AI supporters say you have to be better than the AI to succeed or go bust, because to me they are saying I have to put all the hard work in to make the art better and improve my skills/investing time and money and then they will put my work in to a generator to make their images better with none of the hard work as they just take someone elses work to generate, and then claim what they done was art. AI generated images wouldn't even be a thing if zero artists made art in the first place. Some (Some not all) AI people in the industry are crazy (Like in a Proko interview with and AI developer) they believe in a utopia with AI and even happy their own job will be gone by the AI they develop (Probably as they are getting rich off it), and they go on about how quickly everything will happen and unstoppable (This guy said it's like a boulder crashing down a hill or something like that) but have no answer for how society can adjust in such a short time.
I was so pleasantly surprised to hear you doing a fundraiser for a Philly organization! I live in Philly and work in schools. The kids are so creative and they deserve the support!
This was really informative, John. Thank you so much for putting this together. I'm pretty terrified about the direction AI is going, because media literacy is abysmal and - in my little corner of the world - it feels like people aren't motivated to do anything about it. I would be more excited about AI if it were cutting out mundane things to make room for creative endeavors, but it's doing the opposite instead.
Gotta say, I love every single "I think You Should Leave" bit you throw in your videos. The patterns one was so perfect lmao
as a disabled artist who has put so much hard work on developing my skill it makes me insane that this shit is going on. i wish it were that easy to get people to pay for my real hand drawn art as it is for these annoying tech bros. i'm so excited for the charity stream & cosplay!!
"Sewing needle guy" looks more like a guy with a toothpick showing it to the rest of the table after having stabbed his mate in both eyes with said toothpick.
I’m enjoying these video essays so much.
It’s great that we get so much variety from the main channel and still get all the usual gaming videos from the second channel.
I really admire your dedication to both channels and you’re doing fantastic work.
The generated 'Jesus with third world country kids' are soo hilarious but it also shows clearly WHO their target demographic is lol
I think my woodshop teacher back in the 80s had told me that one of my project look like a carpenters abomination.
Thanks a lot for this video!! when Ai first came out I was already excited as an artist, I saw it as a tool to privately explore ideas and brainstorm before jumping onto my own work. I naively never imagined it would immediately spiral into this nightmare, but I think it's also very cool to see how lot's of people are learning to view things more critically, and appreciate handcraft rather than just consume superficially generated creations. There's slowly seem to be a surge in content awareness by consumers, and videos like these really help to spread the message :)
Weird rant, but I enjoy how you explain the AI as “confused” or “misunderstanding” rather than a more malicious word. I strongly believe that AI is not the center of the AI image problem, greedy people are. I don’t know if any of that made sense, but I enjoyed the language used :)
Same it’s refreshing not to hear constant negative words it always makes people sound pretentious
Easier to blame a tool than other people it seems. Kinda like how people blame guns for violence instead of people. Maybe cause we all collectively realize you can control a tool but not other people.
I know this video is 2 months old, but i wanted to add something, a year or two ago (cant remember when exactly) there was a debacle over on the R/art subreddit, someone posted a piece of art they made, and later showed proof of making, but got banned because one particular mod decided that his art was AI, even after being shown said proof.
While the whole thing may not be about AI images as a whole, it is somewhat worth mentioning.
Okay, as an artist (granted, a *small* artist) I'm very glad you pointed out how we suffer from this shit. I guess I've just seen so many people defending it that it's refreshing to see someone stand up for us. I noticed you never called the genAI art and it felt nice. You clearly have a lot of respect for us, and we really need more people doing this. Also happy you talked about the moment with the DnD artist getting falsely accused. It's creating witch hunts for people who happen to use similar styles to genAI (and it's likely because their works have been scraped in the first place) and it hurts to see people having to turn on other artists and raise pitchforks any time a piece is made that "looks" suspicious.
Just like you said it's worse on small artists like yourself, not because of AI, but because of the "Fake AI" hunters, that will be more and more influenced to look "better/higher up" because they find small artists like yourself to call out your art for not being "perfect" and any imperfections they find they will cry wolf and call it "fake, it's AI, blah blah blah"- It's going to cause stress on so many new artists/beginners because they will feel like they HAVE TO BE perfect in every lining details, to hair, eyes, hands ect. and if not you get the trolls (Over the top AI hunters) to call your art piece out for not "making sense" in their eyes, I wouldn't blame it on the AI as opposed to the real people themselves that are going to be the bigger problem
the witch hunts are being cause by artists which is pretty ironic
@@noctis6826 not really. the problem with ai is that it combines what could superficially be regarded as "good rendering" with strange, amateur mistakes. an artist that spent that much time on a piece and has that much skill making art would also be able to populate some shelves in detail, or properly depict filaments in a lightbulb, or whatever.
first of all, this will not be a problem for new artists, because they won't even be able to render something that convincingly to begin with. i say this as an artist myself - young me absolutely did not understand lighting and shading well enough to make something that could have been mistaken for ai (i'm still getting there, honestly). it's generally the really talented artists that get targeted by these witch hunts, because their art is what the ai is trying its hardest to emulate. my biggest worry with new artists is that they'll feel frustrated that their art isn't looking as "pretty" as ai images and give up. great art is not in how shiny or realistic you can make something, but in the technical skills that allow you to make what you want, how you want. an ai-generated golden turd will always be less impressive than a handmade bronze button.
second of all, yes, there's absolutely times where human mistakes can be mistaken for ai, as demonstrated in the video, but most of the time, what separates an ai mistake from a human one is the why. with the thanksgiving image, the human included pears in the bowl (which john mistook for yams), placed the cucumber bowl behind the celery bowl (i don't really know what john saw with that one), and didn't detail the silverware at the back super clearly because it was in the back of the image and the way the light reflected off of it kinda obscured the fine details. the ai didn't know what kind of silverware it was generating, placed the celery in front of the glass because it didn't understand perspective, and absolutely did not know what kind of food was in that fruit bowl. that's not something you can fix by adding more detail, because the things that get pointed to in a witch hunt are primarily logical (or illogical, in an ai's case). those are also difficult to refute, because what makes sense to you might not make sense to someone else.
in a way, you're right, because the true culprits are real people: the people who make generative ai models, generate images with it, and put those images online. those are the people who have created this environment where we're required to be on alert at all times, lest we get scammed by some guy on facebook using ai images to steal our personal information, or support a company that's replacing our jobs in the industry with a machine that can't do it half as well. when there's a whole forest of witches out there, it can be easy to assume all trees are the same. i think until we solve the fundamental problem of ai-generated images, it's going to be impossible for people to put down their pitchforks.
@@noctis6826 I'm with ryanwillingham on it. I got accused of making an AI image once, but i had a process video for the piece and i also made the picture in 2022 anyway, before all this AI crap took off. It hurt, but it's not the bigger problem.
@@ryanwillingham Right! It’s less that the in-fighting is an issue, and more that it’s a symptom of the main problem. I’m much more worried about AI using scraped data from artists and the fact that it’s so *deceptive*. Not to mention it’s being used right now to pretty much take jobs away from people (stuff like the MTG and Fallout ads, Disney using it for openings and shit in their shows, it being used for art assets and even text in video games) who would gladly do the work and do it in a much better manner.
It does suck that people have to be jumpy with artists. I’ve seen people post things and even I’m guilty of fearing it’s AI at the start. *But* I think that the more people learn the “trademarks” of genAI images, the less we’ll see it happening. Even if someone has an artstyle similar to what gets generated, you can always look at a piece and see if anything is off. There’s pretty much always something in genAI that a person wouldn’t do because we don’t make our pieces in the same way images get generated. Things like what John pointed out. Even in harder to detect ones like, again, the MTG and Fallout images where you maybe don’t immediately notice an issue.
I think I’m also just frustrated that if anyone speaks out against genAI, they get labelled as someone who simply doesn’t want tech to progress. That’s obviously not the problem people have, and yet techbros who are obsessed with this shit insist that artists are in hysterics over this. They ignore that they *need* artists for their little generators to even work because as soon as their databases scrape more AI shit from the internet, the more they get poisoned and made worse by inbreeding. They’re gleeful over seeing other people suffer and I can’t really wrap my head around why they get so much joy out of the pain of others.
really appreciate the work you put into this video. The biggest hurdle with educating others about this is the fact that it is inherently so complex, both in the discussion regarding the technology behind "Ai" and also the discussion about art, what it is, and what it isnt.
another thing to look for: i've noticed that sometimes AI can't decide on a light source, whereas an actual artist would define the different sources of light and shade accordingly.
Hi, professional artist here! Although it is true that sometimes the AI goes absolutely bonkers about light and has a certain style of using light, light is a very difficult subject to correctly translate into illustrations for beginners and sometimes intentionally overplayed, so I would always be careful to define what an "actual" artist would and would not do, because there are just so much different artstyles and approaches.
That's what I thought was responsible for the 'shiny' look of much of it. Like it's lit from all sides equally.
@@SabakuDoesArt ur totally right. I was thinking about my own formal training but i do realize that not every artist is whipped into shape abt light 😂😂
Hi John! I'm a long-time fan and looking forward to your charity stream! I'm really appreciating your media literacy videos and learned a lot from this one.
I just wanted to point out that the first Disney painting is actually a parody of Norman Rockwell's Freedom From Want (1943) by Disney artist Charles Boyer in 1993. I'm sorry if this is pedantic, but I'm studying Norman Rockwell in school and wanted to clear this up.
John upload as soon as I'm off work, big w.
Also I'm interested to see what your take is, I'm an artist that works in gaming who had a super hard time freelancing when genAI started getting more popular, and had to switch to full time studio instead of commission and freelance work. Two coworkers of mine worked at companies that laid off half their art teams, then made the other half paint over AI images and cut their pay. There's not as much talk about AI (at least on youtube, to my knowledge) in gaming spaces instead of just, art spaces, or science/philosphical spaces, so i'm rly excited to hear someone into games talk about this. Also, hope you and your wife are doing well with the baby!!
i made a typo and accidentally commented mummy on one of those recipe posts, and all they sent me was an egyptian curse.
Lovely video!!!
Aside from the 3944389 reasons why AI in the wrong hands has been nothing but damaging, this really has just given me so many trust issues. I simply can't be bothered to zoom in and observe every single post I come across on the internet and people are so quick to jump to conclusions (often rightfully so, we're all traumatized) that I don't know who's right or wrong. It makes consuming content that isn't curated by ME only (which is incredibly difficult nowadays) extremely exhausting...it's not fun, it's just anxiety. And not only artists are being accused, even selfies are now often wrongfully accused of being AI. What is real anymore hahaha.
Love the way you're branching out like this. My favorite content mixes humor and education and you are doing a good job at it
The nonsense text is what really gets me about the House of Illuminati stuff. It just seems to show an extreme level of laziness that the guy couldn’t take a little time to correct even that.
Thank you for doing this video Josh, I help run and jury a convention artist alley with over 1000 applicants and it's going to get more and more difficult to vet legit artists. We require a WIP, but AI is now generating WIP images for any given AI image.
😭the audacity to bring ai into artist alleys
33:36 - "Oh, yeah, this is what a barbecue fork looks like, by the way. I know there's Europeans watching." *dies*
Amen 🙏
Do Europeans not like barbecues? Or do they just handle the meat with their hands?
@@thepenitence I'm from Europe and i'm not ashamed to admit i've had no idea what a barbeque fork looked like. We don't really eat barbeque around here, i guess it's mostly an American thing. From where i'm it's too fancy for us, we mostly just love to do bacon roasting. It's much more fun when everyone makes their own food around a campfire and just having fun IMO.
Also Europian here, i have never had a barbecue, and had no idea that thing wasn't a mini pickfork. we grill a lot tho if that's any similar.
@@thepenitence have had like 2-3 barbecues ever and from what i recall, we just used regular forks (if any) lol
I've been watching your videos for about 10 years now, you've often been my go-to to watch while drawing and working on commissions. Seeing this video come from you means so much to me and, and probably to all the other creatives that also watch you. It feels like most people/TH-camrs that aren't artists, don't really care that much about the threat of AI image generation and its affects on artists. To a lot of youtubers, it's a free thumbnail or stock image generator, and to others, its a controversial topic that they don't want to voice an opinion on because it's not something that affects them. So I genuinely, really appreciate you saying something and taking a hard stance with artists, and talking about the struggles we face currently.
One of my biggest fears is that kids now will never dream of making a living doing art because of how hopeless AI makes it seem. Traditional mediums are going to be so important in the future I think, because when the internet is so overly saturated with fake, AI generation slop, I'm hoping that it will make real authentic art much more valuable and appreciated.
Thank you for doing this video, John. It's annoying and utterly demoralizing whenever I've had to argue against AI generation. Every non-creative I've spoken to acts like I'm some gatekeeping, awful dictator trying to make myself the arbiter of what is and isn't art. I try to make the same points you did in this video, but it all boils down to others devaluing actual human talent, creativity, and the countless hours of work it takes to get to the level they have managed or to continue creating (only to have it stolen). What's worse, people act as if we should be grateful that the computers are "doing our work for us." What's worse, some artists I know are buying into it as well, saying it "saves them time," but it feels like such a stab in the back to hear them say that given how exploitative it only makes it for all of us. Having a big creator like you make such an informative, helpful, empathetic video really does make a difference.
Adapt. You aren't the first person to have your skillset lose value due to the advance of technology and you won't be the last.
@@RaycloudOh be quiet
Man, it’s like you’re a magnet for gaslighters. You’re not crazy. Real art matters. Just because it’s technology doesn’t mean it’s progress. I wish people would realize that. People will come crawling back when these AI services eventually censor content and keywords.
Man, it’s like you’re a magnet for gaslighters. You’re not crazy. Keep valuing real art.
@@Raycloud Exactly. Go with the flow. I'm a graphic designer, what am I supposed to do? Go protest in the streets of New York? Nah, AI is here to stay
The "Yam Root" - If this image was AI generated, then it kind of looks like it thought those two round red fruits were cherries and added a stem between them.
I'm absolutely loving the new content John! This video is no exception, keep it up man.
The grandma cakes, oh my god. For awhile Facebook kept filling my feed with them so I started screenshotting them because it was so weird. I probably have over 50 of them saved, and there was never a single person in the comments pointing it out.
18:16 Fun fact: AI is even worse at doing accurate numbering sequences than it is at doing coherent words in images. The weird warping on the right of that dial is actually also a sign that whatever the AI originally generated was photoshopped out and replaced with something else; if I recall correctly, the """"artist"""" of that image literally just ripped a dial image they found off of google and slapped that over whatever was generated under it.
I think the worst part is how its almost always about the money, its one thing to just replace art, but to sell ai art for money is just terrible.
Youre taking money from someone who actually put in effort.
I also really hate how people call themselves "ai artists" its like calling yourself a carpenter when all you did was tell someone "build me a house with some doors and rooms, maybe a garage too, and windows" and calling yourself a carpenter when they build something vaguely similar to it.
Its all for a quick buck because its the popular thing to make money on nowadays, same thing with crypto same thing with nfts. Once laws are put into place to prevent mostly copywritten work and stuff to be put into ai and the content farms are more regulated itll die off in its insane amount of popularity it has now.
Its happened time and time again this is just the new cryptobro fad for easy money by tricking people into giving it to them for low effort.
Of course its about the money. The economy is fucked, what did you expect? If I can make something nicer than you in 5 minutes than you do in 15 hours, why not? But of course, people will get enough of AI eventually and real craftmanship will be valued higher
the cabin crew phenomenon as i've seen it is just an amalgam of the more popular/engaged with types of images on the internet: bright colors, "conventionally attractive" women, satisfying uniformity, religious imagery, sexually suggestive clothing (miniskirts, open blouses, etc.). There could be something deeper but I refuse to knowingly engage with AI generated content long enough to find out
All I can say is thank you. You have me crying because I was starting to doubt and wonder if I should even continue to create at times. You put those thoughts to rest.
The fact that there are people and whole-ass companies that think ai images are a substitute for real art, And the fact that they’d rather use ai, rather than pay an artist… the whole thing makes my blood boil.
The whole world is acting that way since capitalism exists. Before AI there were already tricks like this.
Took me a while to get round to watching this and wish i'd watched it sooner. Excellent content. Please do books as well!
"Featuring AI generated sculptures of Jesus Christ. They can be made out of wood, onions, shrimp..."
I was not prepared for how unhinged facebook has gotten apparently LMAO
I just want to say, John, I love these in-depth video essays you do. They are informational, educational, and most importantly, entertaining. Thanks for you hard work and I'm excited for the next one!
Honestly, I'm more concerned about the potential of AI voice acting. The amount of malicious acts that could be used for is pretty concerning.
That's already happening, sadly. Someone's voice was used by AI to voice a R@PE scene.
As someone who is wanting to get into voice acting, this is a very real fear of mine.
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That and the possibility that in the next 10 years everyone will just use AI voices instead, as some game developers have already been going that direction or at least testing the waters.
Both outcomes suck, but one sucks significantly more. I'd rather not be imprisoned for life because someone "made" me say unimaginable horrors, thank you very much! >:(
Other than trying to fake crimes I don't see that there is an issue. And no, people making porn is not a problem with AI voices.
@Raycloud misinformation and defamation maybe? Faking someone famous or particularly public saying something horrendous. Faking experts like doctors and such giving out 'advice'. Faking political figures making declarations and statements that could harm international relations? The more advanced ai voice acting gets, the harder it'll be to prove these things as fake.
They can sing now as well, it's pretty wild
Your delivery and screen presence is getting better with every video, keep it up! Love the new channel direction
6:09 not me trying to stifle a howl at “twdrding” bc my man is putting our kid to sleep
Oooo yeah John we'd LOVE to see you deep dive into some of those A.I. books! It would be extremely entertaining to see you do that, but it also would shine a light on other forms of A.I. "art" that dont get talked about as much
One of the best youtubers out there, such a comforting guy. The amount of respect I have for him is huge.
It's so exciting watching your content grow and change!! I can confidently say that youre my longest running TH-cam subscription, and I've never stopped watching. Thanks for all the great content over the years, it's really great to see you thriving.
I definitely think UKXEPCTED TWITS is my favorite, because it accurately describes the guy who ran the Wonka ripoff.
Dippractions is my favorite lol
I love your fundraising streams! Love that you find great causes to support!
Well, now i need a Kitboga and John Wolfe crossover desperately 🤣
And as for video about AI writing books - sounds really interesting!
Bro as a struggling artist myself i apreciate someone like you bringing attention to this topic. I thought i had it bad with the digital art era now we got to compete with cheap generated images too lol ohwell tis life but thanks for this vid means alott to me ❤
The show must go on, we’ll be okay, somehow. ❤
@@kozzietea atleast when the lights go out and the curtain falls we'll still be able to create art jaja
Love him using the scary scream mp3 lol
so happy to also see you cover this john!! I'm a part of the artist community as well and it warms me so much to see you fighting for us as well!! your one of my favourite TH-camrs you never shy away from so many topics its so cool!!!
I was nervous when Jon moved away from gaming content but tbh these recent videos have been SO GOOD
Crazy how brands keep using Ai arts because it's cheaper than real artists and by this tarnish their reputation and chase away fans which is sooo much worse than just paying a bit more for some promo arts
That's a very good point. They expect loyalty after being disloyal.
I think the 'original Disney Thanksgiving' painting was done by Charles Boyer, although it was referencing Norman Rockwell's painting.
But I appreciate this video covering a variety of aspects related to AI-generated content (especially images), including people starting witch hunts because some artists are wrongly getting accused of using AI. It ties very well with what you said about the importance of awareness and edcuating one's self in one of the paranomal videos.
Seeing AI absolutely fail never ceases to amuse me. Love your commentary on this topic, great video as always!
"Only humans can create art" is what the robot will play on loop while torturing John Wolfe in the year 2045
Would love a deep dive on these AI books
Thank you so much for making a video on this matter. As an artist is truly infuriating and annoying to see how much AI is been implemented in not only art but basically every field possible. I truly appreciate the effort and passion you put in every video🙏🏻