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Death of a Game: GunZ: The Duel (& GunZ: the Second Duel)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 มี.ค. 2023
- "That guy is definitely hacking...No...dear god...he's playing Kstyle"
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#DOAG . Death of a Game is a series dedicated to uncovering the mysteries surrounding the death of a game or company. nerdSlayer defines the term "death" in the context of the show as either... 1. Literally dead. 2. Had a mass exodus of players and never recovered (expectations etc). 3. The company ceased to exist. We follow a timeline of events, to uncover clues concerning why a game or company doesn't do well, and attempt to put it all together at the end for a deduction explaining how or why the game failed based on the evidence gathered.
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Thank you for the continued support, and I hope you enjoyed this special (for me) episode of DOAG. We are self-sponsoring this video, so please check our social links for more information on how to follow and support us. I also upon re-watching this, felt I might have seemed a little too harsh on GunZ 2. I don't think it's a totally generic shooter, it just feels/looks MORE generic than GunZ 1. I personally think the biggest culprit with the sequel is how long it took to launch.
i'm just glad you're not talking about another mmorpg on the show
keep up the variety
Can you do a video on rise of incarnates someday? th-cam.com/video/8MOjUvp4xFs/w-d-xo.html
I'll love is you could check S4League, what was the game where i burned most of my youth xD
Nice video bro, I remember play Gunz long time ago. But I here to ask if you investigate one game that is similar for me and is S4League, have diferrent charm and maybe to anime, but GOD DAMN I PLAY THAT LIKE A IDIOT good times.
@@THEDEY2 Yeah me too that and Gunz was my childhood.
I feel like there is a 1:1 relationship between mastery at Gunz: The Duel and early onset arthritis.
idk i sucked ass at it and my wrists are _still_ fucked
I had juvenile arthritis when this game came out and I can tell you it cured me, my joints were just ground into a fine paste and now my wrists can simply flop around at leisure!
I had to switch to d-style after a while because my poor little 9 year old joints weren't ready for the bodily sacrifice k style required 😂
Fuck i remember being pretty damn good at k and j style and my hands still hurt.
carpel tunnel maybe, but not arthritis.
That said, I was pretty good at guns, not great but good and my wrists are still in good shape.
Ugh, this one breaks my heart as much as K-style/J-style used to break my keyboard and wrists. I absolutely loved GunZ, and was so sad it never got a proper follow up.
I as a wee teen never learned all the techniques, but still had a helluva time with this game.
Most games were a mix of like a 10 "noobs" to 2 k-styling ratio, so there was still plenty of kills to be netted by us non-leet folk.
And I loved hiding behind things with my sword in the wall in crafty places where people would run right past me without seeing me lol.
loved to the point when hackers ruin the game, it was unplayable, plus massive lag issues with the servers...oh forgot it was peer to peer blah no wonder it lagged so much
I never got the hang of k-style or j-style completely. So I would just not play the game that way. Still seemed to do pretty good against most of the players that did do it though, though I think thats mostly just because I would throw them off because While I couldn't personally do k-or J style I'd seen enough players to know their habbits. I started playing with a knife sometimes because I never guarded anyway.
@@OneWingedRose Nah, it was more like 8 noobs, 2 K styles, and one or maybe 2 hackers. I remember hackers getting so bad in the free and low level lobbies that I just use to make new characters purely to go into games to mess with them My friend and I use to double team them and juggle them in the air non-stop when they had the invincible cheat active. I remember the pattern that we practiced to lock them out of moving by heart. Slash, slash, uppercut, slash slash uppercut, Slash slash slash, switch players, uppercut, repeat. Until they would get pissed and just quit the game.
Playing this back in the day feels like another life
This game was like the best drug ever. I was so addicted. The fights, the clan wars, the shit talking, the 1 v 1s….there was nothing and will never be anything as good as GunZ the duel.
the true game where you would 1v1 in Shower Room
This and S4 League (arguably deserves its own episode) were honestly some of my first adventures into multiplayer action-y games and I think about them every so often. Never found another game that replicated the same feeling those two gave me.
The S4 League soundtrack tho...
S4 was such a banger in its own right, hope NS covers it some point. The OST is still in my general playlist I listen to daily.
Ah yeah S4League. Great game that ended up going down a similar path to Gunz - overly monetized and nearly destroyed by hackers. But man was it fun.
@@foriarez944 no kidding bro. the soundtrack was awesome. I still listen to NB power from time to time.
seeing as NS hearted this, I eagerly await the S4 League video. That one's definitely gonna hit like a truck for me.
I loved Gunz: The Duel but my hands still feel pain from how much styling and dancing I did. I'd literally come home from school and hop straight into Gunz until dinner, everyday, for months. The hackers were eventually what had me quit.
For me it has been the Brazilians flooding every server with 700 ping
Holy crap, at 18:12 when the lobby music started... The nostalgia was overwhelming. I played so much gunz in highschool. Didn't even know it had a sequal. I did play some Raiderz beta though and it was really cool! I'm looking forward to that video.
The nostalgia is so real! The music caught me off guard. Good times, good times...
Raiderz was a very underrated MMO. It was rough, but the base gameplay was greate.
Yea... that lobby music is breathtaking
I'm goldenfa I asked (paid) for this death of a Game. Thanks @nerdSlayer Studios, you did great job. I'm still so sad about this game, one thing that I often do is listen the GunZ OST, I find it so unique and great for an online game from the mid 2000s. I still have hope to see a spiritual successor in the future.
Thanks to Goldenfa without him, we wouldn't have made this video. Seriously your words mean a lot!
Hero
Thanks for suggesting this one, boss.
the main menu theme gives me the feels
Thank you, that is very kind of you and it's very much appreciated.
So a quick correction at 21:30 the DMCA takedowns were not by Masangsoft. What happened was a private server owner impersonated Maiet, the original rights holder to GunZ, and issued DMCA takedowns on videos which involved/promoted private servers that weren't the impersonator's own. Great video nonetheless, was a real treat to see GunZ get DOAG'd
YES, also before ijji got gunz there was "igunz" or "international Gunz" as like a test for na or something, that's when i first played and then the servers went down for a few months, THEN ijji gunz began in like 2007. now a pserver is named "igunz/international gunz" so it can get confusing
The way copyright laws work, Masangsoft buying the rights and then sitting on them is probably the best way for them to support private servers and keep the game alive.
Licencing deals usually require products be made at regular intervals to renew the contract. If another company had retained the IP, fan servers and secondary content were always under threat of legal action.
except for the part where they do nothing to help us in these legal battles. I and many other people helped get tons of videos get reinstated thanks to the help of TH-cam, but they literally retracted their contact with me via support ticket on their website when I reached out to them at the time (2 years ago).@@Grizabeebles
and now we have another guy, claiming to be the "new IP owner", with a fake copyright for the game, DMCA-striking our community discord and DDOSing everyone out of their minds, while running a server off of SEO, claiming to be "official" and trying to make their website as generic-looking as possible so as to trick people who know nothing about the game into believing that their server is "official gunz"
Yet another video of yours that has made me audibly gasp as a flood of memories comes along & then thoroughly enjoyed your coverage
It's almost like you should do this as a job :x @nerdslayer
As someone who played over 10 years of Ragnarok Online but never stepped my foot on the official server, the next video is going to be like watching a sinking of a ship from a yacht passing by.
I know right. Been playing for 20 years and never once set foot on the official server.
Thanks for the shoutout!! Didn’t see it coming. Here’s some facts I want the new viewers to be corrected on, no offense ❤:
1. Quest mode was in the ijji release, wasn’t added later
2. Clan war was also in ijji at release, released at same time. Ijji hosting was the “full” release as you said it, and both of these modes were released in summer of 2006.
3. 2007 wasn’t even close to the last update, the game was given updates up until and past 2010 at least. It was updated past GunZ2’s release. I’d say GunZ 1 got MORE updates than GunZ 2 after it’s release.
4. Clan Wars we’re not “usually 4v4”, it was actually kinda hard to find a 4v4, 2v2 and 3v3 were much more common, but tournaments were always 4v4.
5. Source code was out much earlier than 2011… there was a private server released in 2006 with full p2w items for free called LegionGamers, another called Daemon’s Ring.
6. ijji went under and aeria acquired them, had nothing to do with anything other than that.
7. There was no “host” with p2p connections, ALL users connected to ALL other users, creating security issues, which we still have today lol, but the good servers have figured out the security part.
8. Aeria GunZ had over 1K concurrent players until it died, and Aeria closed it as MAIET went under.
9. RaiderZ, GunZ, GunZ2, all were supported by MAIET and went under at the same time, there wasn’t the narrative given in this video about them ditching one game for another.
10. Strong suggest anyone who wants to play GunZ in 2023 to play not to play the servers mentioned in the video, FXPGUNZ is the best F2P non p2w server with a population.
11. GunZ 2 was released and dead before GunZ 1 ever shut down, even on Steam. The dates are all messed up.
12. MasangSoft bought MAIET after they filed bankruptcy, wasn’t any kind of merger, they’re still making updates on RaiderZ, and I believe them to still be working on GunZ.
13. MasangSoft NEVER took down TH-cam videos. It’s a private server posing as them. They support us having private servers, and are okay with it as there’s no western release. That’s directly from MS.
14. Thanks for making this video. I know all these corrections feel complainy, but I really like the death of a game series and just want accuracy for my favorite game of all time.
Need to like this. He speaks the truth.
@@Blackpapalink ❤️
I'm pretty sure GunZ on Aeria was killed before GunZ 2 came out, I was so sad at that time because I just got a new pc after having a laptop that couldn't hold GunZ for even 20min. But also at the time there were still the south american server open. I could be worng because it's been 10 years.
The company reported themselves as merging, so that's not right. (FYI there is a difference between what actually happens, and what is reported).They aren't doing anything with GunZ, according to no updates. I didn't see any sources about the source code being leaked before then, but thanks for that information.
The "updates" GunZ got, don't really qualify much as updates to me. They basically got no new content after a number of years, and the point in me highlighting how little the game was updated is to prove that. Sure they were "updating the game", but more like plugging fires than creating anything new in the name of GunZ.
Your claim about MAIET handling all the games no offense shows your misunderstanding of how game development works, and thus my point concerning such. They can't just summon endless resources, and they did pivot very quickly especially compared to other popular Korean titles even. And when those titles failed (post GunZ) it was felt and seen immediately.
Thanks for the bit about MasangSoft not taking down YT videos, but unfortunately that contradicts my sources. Multiple even.
Your distinction about the server makes no point, and doesn't take away from mine. Not sure why you mentioned it even. Unless people want to debate host advantage, something that has existed before GunZ did. Connections are shared, sure. But a host still and always has under this framework enjoyed an advantage.
I stated the hardmode of Quest Mode was added, so you didn't hear my point correctly FYI.
Thanks for some of the corrections.
@@nerdSlayerstudioss oof
Oh I haven't thought about this game in years. It used to be a HUGE deal. So much fun!
Same with me. Haven't thought of it in nearly over two decades. But I used to really love this game back in the day, when buying games was, with luck, a tri-monthly thing because of a really low allowance. So a free online game which was that fun, had a HUGE impact on me. 😊
It's worth giving the game another go! Just Google FGunZ. They're averaging 100 players online daily.
One of the sickest games ever made. All I wanted was that TRENCHCOAT.
True
Cosmetics in the game were next level
@@GC-jm9bt getting that glow on your sword. Felt like a absolute badass.
I've watched all the videos featured in this series and this one hits the hardest for me personally, this is THE computer game that started it all for me. To this day I haven't experienced such a mechanically intensive (SC:Brood War comes closest) and, honestly, liberating game. With MMOs and stuff you don't really feel like you're DOING what your avatar is doing. You press a button and 3 seconds later a fireball shoots. You press another, you start channeling a full party heal for 6 seconds. In GunZ, literally every keypress has an instant response, and every single thing your avatar does is because you have willed it to do so. All the crazy matrix shit happens because you yourself are doing all the crazy matrix shit on your keyboard and mouse. I don't think this kind of game would work in this day and age, but damn I miss it dearly.
Personally, playing in the Brazilian server, I know of many oldschool GunZ players who were to have success in other games. Kami and Matsukaze became household names in LoL, Sensi is a manager for Team Liquid's R6:Siege division, there was this amazing early PUBG player whose name escapes me, but in general a strong GunZ player can cut it in any other esport I feel like.
Oh I've been waiting for the day nerdSlayer covered this for a long time! This game has been quite the treasure for me despite really never getting so competitive into it. Despite it being released way back in 2000s there hasn't been a game that captured it's feel yet. I heard it compared to Tribes, Unreal Tournaments, even Fortnite etc., but there was something about the tactility of how you moved and performing maneuvers after practicing hours in training rooms on how to do them.
I long for the day to see it come up again in the form of a next-gen game, but at least now I can see how the book was closed.
I can definitely see how GunZ influenced Unreal Tournament 2004's movement, in retrospect. Epic must have looked at it and thought that this was the new trend that everyone would be following, and that they should hop on early on.
Remembering GunZ always makes me feel really emotional, because it touches on my personal life and the way I treat things in real life. I remember first installing after seeing a few seconds of it on a Lan House, getting ready with my character and my dual SMGs, I remember getting my first kill and feeling awesome about it, doing strategies, peeking corners, leveling up and getting better weapons.
And then I remember one time I got into a server and started playing, it wasn't long before I got completely SLICED by another player and thought "Huh, that was fast", and then getting SLICED again by another player who killed me even faster, he seemed bulletproof while giving what looked like triple damage. I then started to pay attention, it was beautiful, they were flying around slashing everyone, they could only be stopped by someone playing the same way, and sometimes not even that, I was in complete awe... that until someone slashed me again.
That's when I closed the game and started researching what was that, it was The Butterfly, it was IF, it was IFF, it was... K-style, it was another level of playing, and I wanted that, no matter how long it would take, one time in the future I'll be the one flying like a Butterfly, I'll be the one on the top of the scoreboard using a blade and a shotgun. And 6 or so months later, it happened, I saw myself doing the exact same moves as those who would put me in awe, the enjoyment of the game and being able to toy with my enemy, even when we were close in skill level, this was unprecedented... This game and it's (yes, toxic) community taught me so much, it built character.
I think everyone should experience something like that, it really builds respect, determination, a humble sense of self and many other cornerstones of good character. My biggest "I love you" if you ever played this game back in the day.
Every single thing that you said, resonates with me so deeply. I was the same way. I was absolutely DETERMINED to master all of the techniques, and eventually became one of the pros. Bittersweet.
I somewhat audibly gasped when i saw the title of this video NS! A genuine wave of nostalgic memories came rushing in lol, only starting the video now but looking forward to this! Oh man, what a timeless classic, whether it's learning how to "butterfly" to the double pump shotgun, to wall-running and climbing, mastering that mobility, to the self made competitive scene it had at the time!
Haven't commented in a while but i've been keeping up with your videos, again, stellar work as always NS!
This, Exteel and S4 League will forever hold special places in my heart. Rest in peace
Man this brings me back. Gunz became the only thing I played for days, weeks, months on end way back when Maiet was hosting it (I always called it My-at lol). And when private servers popped up, I joined a couple and eventually became one of the admins for one (DRGunz). I can safely say that was the pinnacle of my online gaming life. Though real life pulled me away, I still have fond memories. Even made movies of custom maps, though all have been struck down due to copyrights here and there. Only was able to salvage one of them. Had to go ahead and watch it after watching this. Those were the days....
Caught this 47 seconds after it went live and it already had a dozen likes. Good job!
Thanks for covering GunZ again, and thanks for mentioning the source code release, I really didn't have any ill intentions in dropping it on ragezone back then, the game was already basically shelved and had no real updates by 2011, theres been tons of great things people have done to keep the game updated/playable in 2023. widescreen support, fps locks, bug fixes, total new game mods/content. (CTF is fun)
Releasing the source code is the best thing you can do to keep a dead game alive. Once the company ceases supporting it, the community will take it over and maintain it.
Omg you are the legend that blessed the world with the ability to play this masterpiece forever out here do doing God's work
Thank you. This game did not deserve to suffer the same fate as Exteel.
Used to love this game back in 2006! Please do a Death of a Game for S4 League and Survival Project! Both are games I loved around that same time! Keep up the great work!
Oh god, everything you said is giving me S4 League vibes. It's also a 3rd-person shooter arena game that broke my heart when it put in cash shops, & split the community into two. Great video, always wondered what was up with Gunz during it's time.
Alaplaya forever my dude
S4 was one of my favorite games of the time, I pretty much forced most of my friends to play it, making them love it as well. The gameplay was just soooo good until the cash shop and the new weapons that were much more superior compared to the old ones, still sad when I think about that...
Wow. Music at 18:17 hit me right in the feels. I've played this game for years and I think it started my gaming addiction....
1st shooting game that "bring swords to a gun fight" actually works for me.
I think i was the only one using double dual magnum while everyone was rocking double shotgun or rocket back then.
Good times!
PLEASE talk about this game's unofficial cousin S4 League at some point. GunZ and S4 were my main go tos back then and this video slapped me right in the nostalgia. Coming home from high school and spending HOURS on this game back then was a fun time indeed.
This game was my crack as a kid, maaaaaan. There was just something so innately charming about it all, the community, the many facets of fighting, learning how to Butterfly, etc. This will always be a game special to my heart, and it's a shame no one's ever made a spiritual successor to it.
just found this channel through a random maplestory vid... i wasn't expecting to see my own video! XD man i'm gonna have a field day binging all ur vids and crying over all the great games we've lost like raiderz lmao
This game is the reason I have carpel tunnel, I used to physically sweat playing this shit as a kid, loving every second of it. I remember first learning how to butterfly and how insane those inputs seemed at first. In about a week I was flying through the map like some methed up anime protagonist. This game was so sick.
I remember playing this game a lot, growing up. Sadly, I wasn't so good at it. The PvE parts got really dicey a lot of the times. Cheaters were quite common. At some point, I leveled up far enough to unlock new arenas, but I could no longer play with anyone below my level. So I was locked into a level bracket where people played significantly better than in the "open for all" starter arenas, and all of them had either a much higher level or (rarely) the same as me. Another issue were k-style players. In the newbie arenas, you didn't see so many k-style players, but they were basically all pubstompers that weren't fun to play against. But after my level-ups, k-style became a lot more common.
Learning k-style myself looked daunting and not very fun.
So eventually, I lost interest. The difficulty curve just spiked up so dramatically that I found myself hopelessly outclassed.
Once again, the next episode teaser has me on the edge of my seat. :O
This was and still is one of the most fun games I've ever played.
I'll always enjoy the memories of running along walls, cutting someone down mid wall run and flying around firing off shots and nuking people with an rpg to finish then off.
Peak online gameplay
Oh god, I remember playing this when I was a kid. K-Style is really a unique thing that no other games can ever replicate even till this day. I remember breaking around 5 keyboards back then, glad it was the cheap ones. Good times...
Hey. I still actively develop this game (for no return, no paid items, etc).
If anyone still wants to play it, you still can.
In the past year or two I've added
* 128 tick (originally 10 tick)
* Damage numbers
* Proper crosshair rendering
* Social improvements
* Security improvements.
The game is still competitive and it's becoming more modern with every update.
No pay-to-win and gear-stats are equalized across all levels.
Oh man what a throw back! GunZ was the first online game I ever played, it set the bar so high for my expectations of what a game can be.
I fell asleep on my keyboard with the lobby music playing countless times.
I loved GunZ: the Duel, the jank and glitches actually made it really fun to play competitely. I dare to say I was pretty good back in the day when butterfly and korean style were considered top tier plays. Don't know about now as it only lives on private servers.
It brings a smile to my face to see someone mention butterfly and k-style in the comments lol. I was dogcrap at this game and could never do any of the techs but damn did I love watching it lol
I only heard of this game once. A classmate tried to get me into it, but I wasn’t interested. What makes this conversation memorable for me is that another classmate was in the conversation and said “it’s not that great, just a flash game basically.”
Gunz fan was so stunned all he could say was “Flash Game?” With such an insulted, blank stare. I was sure had the conversation not been interrupted by class bell I would have witnessed a murder
S4 League definitely needs a spotlight, especially being a game that could definitely be a big piece in the gaming market right now. The gamemodes being genuinely interesting and unique. The Chaser gamemode where you need to prioritize your survival but also be careful not becoming their target, Touchdown being a constant excitement and a focus on teamwork but also your solo skill to carry; both of them were perfection.
both the games had such an amazing soundtrack. They're so nostalgic, but even so had quality and focus on mixing with the gameplay. With the Chaser gamemode, you could feel your heart thumping along, terrified when the Chaser would find you. With Touchdown or any other gamemode, the music makes you feel like you're in a sports arena, with the announcer and others cheering for you specifically to win.
The avatars and many tools/weapons, were so much fun to play around (albeit pay2win due to the crappy company). There's plenty of potential right now, with skins dominating the market and fund a company. Especially now that anime's become much more mainstream, just think of the possibilities of an artstyle like S4 League.
The gameplay was both simple in terms of gameplay, but also something pros can shine. A face-paced game that keeps you on a constant rush, but can easily be slowed down with the right items. The movement was so much fun as well, simpler but similar to GunZ.
What's so amazing about these games is that they are practically forcing you to move. It's not like Apex or other games where you should hide at times; S4 League and Gunz incentivizes you to constantly be on the move. You can stand still or hide for a few seconds, sure. But with the gamemodes telling you to move, you move with the crowd.
What I typed is barely scratching the surface. Both of these games had style, any movement you made, anything you do - you feel cool. The announcers and sound effects are hidden gems especially.
There are definitely rough times, but damn does it feel good when you're the one dominating, as if the whole game revolves around you. These archaic and arcade games with style should come back, and I hope that companies will realize that a game like this would be perfect.
Ahh Gunz the duel 😂❤ I remember waking up hours before school around 3-4am just to play this game before school starts at 7am. One of the best games I ever played, I remember finally mastering double butterfly and then questing like crazy to finally hit level 70 for that sword…man I miss this gaming era. It wasn’t just even this game but just that era
I was just talking with a few friends the other day about how awesome the original Gunz was and how much fun we had. We used to go into the college library and install it on the computers to play in between classes.
That clip of the flip double butterfly till death made me hype AF! Dude I miss this game so fkin much goddamn
i used to play gunz when i was little
watching and listening to u talking about the death of this game didn't really do anything for me
that is until u play the gunz theme song
holy shit i got goosebumps from that, the memories start flooded back in
I remember spending days learning double butterflys and flashs back in those days, i tried playing it again with some friends a few years ago but it wasnt the same without the massive playerbase
LMAO The comment "it was like a CS 1.6 on steroids" is seriously what I have thought my entire life that I have been playing Gunz and CS... What a great video, thank you for this homage.
This, S4 League and Combat Arms were my childhood. Would love to see videos of those too someday. 👍
FGunZ has 500+ people online nowadays, crazy! No other server has survived this long and has been this active (10+ years).
Watching this video unlocked old forgotten memories about RaiderZ. Holy crap I'd completely forgotten I'd played that game.
I honestly couldn't tell you exactly why but this series is perfection. Thanks so much!
I'm so glad you made this! I got such nostalgia from this! I played the shit out of this game! Played from release till game queues were too long to wait for.
This series has become one of my favorites on YT, keep up the good work guys
Great video you did a good job man Greetings of the Gunz Community ❤️👋🏾
2:26 "homage" say it with me, "oh-Mahj".
Just saw this video in my recommended and boy you just hit so many nostalgia stringsit hurts.
I almost forgot this game ever existed but watching this brought back old memories of playing this in 06-07
Another example of a glitch becoming a feature is skiing in Tribes. It was a physics glitch and was discovered during early testing (the beta, if I recall precisely). At first, the devs thought the tester moving so fast was hacking, and were going to remove them. But when they discovered how it was being done, they decided to keep it in.
Cue skiing becoming an iconic feature of the franchise.
One of my favourite online game during my Highschool days, I remembered playing it after playing Ragnarok and MU.
I watched the flyff video and jumped to this one right away
I was just 12 at the shutdown of gunz but I played it since the IJJI version, thanks to family introducing me to online games at a VERY young age (Alongside their A.V.A)
I loved gunz and was baffled by how people kept owning me (in amazement), I didn't understand K-style nor did i know what it was called lol
i still remember the sadness I felt reading the game was going to shut down, I still get nostalgic over the old IJJI launcher.
Private servers I personally can't get into these days, most players are all very skilled. even back then i preferred grinding PvE content due to the skill difference.
Coming from someone whos sunk thousands of hours in CS:GO/TF2. I mostly never felt off put by being new to something but Modern day Gunz is too much for me.
Please consider doing Nexon's Combat arms, the handling of Combat arms last major update was extremely mishandled which lead to it going to the hands of vladof which just do a similar thing of simply keeping it running while milking it with little players left.
@nerdSlayer Studios Glad to see someone got some use out of my shop footage. Another game like Gunz with unintended mechanics with a high skill ceiling was Soldier Front. Let me know if you want any detail. It was really quite popular back in the mid/late 2000's and would make a good Death of the Game episode.
Main K-Style strat I remember is right click with sword and knock them on their ass, then unload dual uzis in their face point blank lol
I think the first time I tired to play this game was... Maybe 2007 or 2008? One of those years during my time in high school. I'd heard about it and gave it a shot. I thought it was neat, but during my first time, the lobby I was in had someone using an Aimbot. That just murdered my interest in continuing the game and learning all the ins and outs. I wish it was just a "skill issue" on my part, but the player was very clearly snapping from target to target with their firearm while everyone else was moving in very notable "yeah, that's how a mouse of that era worked" kind of way while they were wall running and rolling all over the place with what precision they could manage lol.
The combat encounters during that lobby that didn't involve the botter were pretty jank and fun, but ultimately my perception was soured enough to never boot it up again and uninstall it shortly after.
man now this makes me so excited for you to do one of these on S4league
My fondest memories of GunZ: The Duel were installing it on my school's computers and introducing an entire classroom to what we now affectionately call: "Devil May Cry Online"
My fondest memories of GunZ 2: The Second Duel were how none of us could even play the game because of how often you clipped out of elevators.
OMG this game I played on my city's cybercafe back then and it was crazy, we would come out from school straight to the place we would play. After this game died we all went to S4 League, which was stylish and similar (my favorite game for so long, deserved so much more)
this video is so so good to see, oh the memories!! I love it!
I used to get this insane shoulder pain when playing because my shoulder would rise without me knowing while playing and stay locked in this horrible position while I sat on my kitchen chair with zero cushion. Over a decade later, when I feel the lack of my shoulder mobility, I always think fondly of gunz.
I loved styling on all the k-style nerds with twin smgs and headshots, would drive them up the wall. such good memories from GunZ I still listen to the sound track to this day
This brought back so many memories. The time when iGunz shut down, and everyone continued to play offline just to keep in shape is such a weird memory to have. It was more than a game, honestly, it almost felt like an extreme sport (for our joints). I loved the game to bits, despite all the issues it had.
Gunz was the most intense game ive ever played as a kid on ijji. I still mimic key presses to this day of butterflying. It def had an effect on my hands but i wouldnt take it back. Much love to my guildies from Silent Cry, Damned Swords and Flippy. Kitsunie misses you all!
I used to LOVE this game. I even played "EuroGunz", the altered version of the game. Part of my childhood fr.
Ive been talking and talking about Gunz and now we get a NerdSlayer video?? I never realized that such a random game from my childhood would remain so iconic
Damn man... You just flashed me back to 2007 spending hours in front of my PC screen, facing a wall in Gunz practicing Kstyle... Holy hell...
When we saw the game was heading for pay to win, we all went to private servers. The one I was on, I have no idea what it was called, but at some point the server screen had the "bake a cake" song from Lazy Town. Wild times man... Lol
Man i played this game to death back in the day. i still remember when a group of people wanted to teach me the "butterfly" style
kadai's video was a pleasant surprise but having you talking about it too is a delight. Thanks for this essay!
I have played this when I was a 1st year Highschooler. 2005. Man that was a good time.
I'm SO glad you're finally going to cover Ragnarok Online!
23:30 this juggle move was always a huge shot to someone's morale
The amount of times that I tried to ran away the moment I saw someone flying in with butterfly are countless, yet Gunz still have a small spot inside my heart
So glad you did this vid, I remember when I was a kid I saw pictures of the gameplay in gaming magazines but never mentioned the name of the game
Man, talk about a blast from the past. GunZ was one of my original MMOs that I played; next to Flyff, Maplestory, Aura Kingdom, and Grand Fantasia. I can distinctly remember coming home from school for months and jumping straight onto GunZ to get consistent at Butterflying. My friends and I would get together on weekends and have our version of LAN parties where we'd go into squads on GunZ for hours on end. Ultimately, it was hackers that caused us all to walk away from the game.
Amazing video, just need enough people to pressurise Masangsoft to do something about GunZ tbh, still has a loyal fanbase just needs that backing it deserves
K styling all day was fun. Now I'm sad there's no other game that can give me that itch anymore.
There was also a way to cheese the ping through dial up to allow you to basically become invincible. Kills were rare in this mode, but you'd never die.
My entire channel is based off this game. We need more games like GunZ.
Ok, next case is a big one. I grew up with that game.
With that said, I had the luck to play Gunz with friends at Latam for a couple of summers. I will never forget the peruvian hackers era, the 400ms, the music, how people got mad at butterfly players and even angrier at sprayers (suck it up katana lovers), the grinding, the maps, the thrill of the hunt...
Good, good memories for a game I never managed to understand at all.
And you are telling me the source code is available? Damn, who knows, I'll play some Gunz again someday.
"Gunz is still playable today"
>Joins game
>Immediately falls through the floor over and over
This brought back my carpal tunnel syndrome during my highschool days. Bittersweet yet what a fun time it was.
Oh man, I got to your channel because of the Ragnarok online video (game which I'm still playing)
And then I saw this game, I completely forgot about gunz, such fun memories
It would be interesting if you made a similar one about "rakion"
GUNZ... such a good classic game I had so much fun playing. It will be missed.
I remember playing in the international open beta. I had so much fun. Hackers were non-existent at the time. Butterfly was a rarity and wasn't called k-style, yet.
Then the game launched for real with microtransactions. K-style became pervasive and hackers creeped in. I'd have fun until level 30 with dual SMG, enraging the tryhards by "spraying" their legs with bullets where the sword couldn't block. But at some point, it just wasn't fun anymore as I didn't want to bother learning the hardcore stuff.
Still, I have fond memories of Gunz. I still have some songs from this game and ragnarok online in my ultimate playlist
Darkfall and GunZ in the same video, double shot straight to my nostalgia.
omg, not gunz... the butterflying... the madness... when did I get this old
Time really fly.....
Oh man!!!! Miss those days where used to play this from a gaming cafe. So many memories, wish something like this comes again...
Thank you for this video. 🙂
I love GunZ. It will NEVER DIE with the OGs who know what the game was all about. Thanks (kinda? Lmao) for bringing some attention to the game. The game has been organically regrowing the last couple years after the few viral YT hits. ❤
Edit: ah man, you should’ve reached out to some in the community, there’s a lot of incorrect information, dates, etc in this. But that’s alright, thanks for the exposure anyhow ❤
Could you provide any examples? No offense but the least you could do is that if you are going to make such claims.
@@nerdSlayerstudioss I did in a separate comment as I watched through.
Man, GunZ was so great, I still go back and listen to the Ryswick Style theme now and again
The fact I didn't know there was a Gunz 2 until this video is pretty much all I needed to know about Gunz 2, I guess.
This, Crossfire and Granado Espada MMO were my favorite moment of playing on Net Cafe.
Ah, what a time when the only thing i have to worry about was Homework.
This is the only game where I had a Student-Master relationship with someone. And felt like i was passing the torch by teaching a new guy k-style under me.
Oh wow, how did I never hear of this game at the time, looks like a pretty neat evolution of the gameplay of the Jedi Knight sequels I was playing a load in the years leading up to this coming out.
Hop on and play then! There's a gladiator culture that's pretty involved, no guns used so a lot easier to get into and more similar to JA
Damnnnnn Gunz: The Duel. Had to click on it just from the title alone. The hours I put into this was crazy. Ty for talking about this
Gunz is One of my favourite pvp game during college time, along with Classic Dota, CS 1.6