Glad other listeners here pick up on the attitude of the young, smart but inexperienced host. These 2 men represent a standard mentality of European artists loving and living their art. The much younger host seems to come from a typical American point of view that art is good if it sells and makes money. That's a big difference in cultural conditioning. Glad that Conny Plank got mentioned in the talks....love his work with UltraVox. Germany really took off during the 70s Disco era when Munich acquired it's own sound (Silver Convention 'Fly Robin Fly'). The airwaves were energized as the evolving Kraftwerk unleashed 'Trans European Express' .... followed in the 1980s by their monumental 'Computer World'. Giorgio Moroder recorded the soundtrack to film 'Midnight Express' ... but his epic with Donna Summer... ' I Feel Love' (drummer Kieth Forsey of Aman Duul2) totally changed the future of all electronic music to come! Brian Eno who was recording in Germany with Robert Fripp and David Bowie told everyone that ' I Feel Love ' was the sound of the future.
dieter moebius is one of the most inspiring musical artist i have the fortune of listening to, he really isnpired me, and I just love everything he has done
Why would anyone, having an hour or so to talk to the legendary Cluster, waste time chatting about "how did you get signed to this label or that label"?? How about the philosophy, creative thought process, technical process behind the music itself?
At the peak of his career, Stockhausen's was globally famous & attracted huge audiences and attention (see Beatles' St Peppers album sleeve). I know this because I worked with him in the 60s and played his music. The concerts were always sold out no matter where we went, most of the audience was young people.
What a pleasant surprise to see you on here (albeit three years ago!), as one who is well aware of your legend. I worked with him myself in a much different (non-musical) capacity a little later, having worked during 1980-2000 on a book about listening to his music. I get the impression that his music is at least as popular now as it has ever been. On his videos here on TH-cam you get the old 'bogeyman' comments but also many from people who are getting something from his worth. Best wishes.
@@oblomurg Their whole thing was not to be rock and roll. I'd say they are pitched between the two things and the last thing I'd call them is lowbrow - that's a total misunderstanding if not an insult. James last - now that's lowbrow.
This interviewer facial expressions at every 'listening' moments is almost asking for a face slap. He constantly play on the card that their music is supposedly unpublishable while always questioning about what they were listening; as if a creative process is solely based on references, it looks like he is unable to even accept that they can have an eclectic musical taste and that their initial inspiration came from the contemporary art world of the time. I bet that Hans-Joachim Roedelius & Dieter Moebius werent' very pleased with that encounter as the interviewer totally bypass the chance to ask them meaningful questions.
Yeah there's an insecurity like he can't relate to genuine authentic music-making so he can't appreciate it. He seems to have a very consumerist 'hipster' attitude toward art of consuming and defining it, EVALUATING it. There's a lack of curiosity to truly openly invite anything novel from which he would gain depth and understanding in his experience of the music, its creation and its creators. His perspective is very self-centered and appeals in an implicit but foundational way to false egoic notions of objective value and an internalization that objective value is constituted by approval from peers and the general public. Once again I perceive there to be an inability to appreciate the creative process due to a compulsive and deeply foundational egoic schema of relating to things evaluatively -- either to idealize and want to possess something or to dismiss and distance oneself from something because it is not held in high esteem by others. This guy negs a lot.
God I got 25 mins in and didn't read the comments and I'm glad to see most people think the same as me, god does this guy grate on you or what!? Who is this industry dude? I'm stunned at his patronising approach to the music of cluster, how he views it, the lack of focus on their melodic genius and ability to craft. Lord It's just classic 'HipHop' rubbish, no in depth analysis and just skimming over the prime aspects of deep atmospheric listening. To this man Cluster wasn't one of the greatest groups of all time, just another thing to 'sample', to me it's always a dirty word. Long live cluster, they were and still are the 'real' future!
Red Bull, please hire/invite the right interviewer for the right artists... someone who has some knowledge and respect for the artists and their music. It's not about age, as was proposed in previous comments. It's about knowledge, understanding, care and deep interest in or understanding of the total oeuvre. It's not that he knows nothing about histories of music, it's more that he's a terrible interviewer and in this case has no understanding of their earlier music in relation to post-WWii Germany for example. Judgmental, presumptuous, incredulous, foolish tone most of the time. "This must have sold tons." Moebius and Roedelius were much too generous here. Egon names influential bands at the time and comments as if to ask - if you were listening to them, why didn't you sound more like them? This interview exemplifies a problem with Red Bull music academy, that many just want to know how to succeed in the business. For Moebius and Roedelius it's been a way of life.
"Judgmental, presumptuous, incredulous, foolish tone most of the time" "For Moebius and Roedelius it's been a way of life." YEP. Interviewer cant relate to the authenticity.
I wonder if there's any A.I. app that could remove the interviewer *Egon* from this and just pose the minimum content of his questions so as to give context to the responses. The figure of the interviewer could be a scarecrow, or a snowman. Even a stick-figure, with an A.I. voice, would be a quantum improvement.
I have seen 3 or 4 RB Music Academy videos now. The guests are deeply interesting and I love the information you get out of these series. But, the interviewers seem like 'oh, I am so cool and artistic' kind of. Very common among musicians unfortunately. A bit of arrogance with lack of professionalism and knowledge... It is still good, but could be much better. Get better people.
This interviewer is a blight on the proceedings. He really wants to push the "you should be resentful of Eno for ripping you off"narrative. What a waste of an opportunity. Meanwhile the legendary members of Cluster just ooze class.
With this interviewer I feel like there is a foundational insecurity like he can't relate to genuine authentic music-making so he can't appreciate it. He seems to have a very consumerist 'hipster' attitude toward art of consuming and defining it, EVALUATING it. There's a lack of curiosity to truly openly invite anything novel from which he would gain depth and understanding in his experience of the music, its creators and its creators. His perspective is very self-centered and appeals in an implicit but foundational way to false egoic notions of objective value and an internalization that objective value is constituted by approval from peers and the general public. Once again I perceive there to be an inability to appreciate the creative process due to a compulsive and deeply foundational egoic schema of relating to things evaluatively -- either to idealize and want to possess something or to dismiss and distance oneself from something because it is not held in high esteem by others. This guy negs a lot.
i love how the interviewer tries to frame their beginnings in the terms of the modern music industry. The types of restraints and rituals (A&R men) and stuff like that didn't exist then. This is why music was so much better then. Now we have this huge machine behind the sales of music, and it ruins the creative aspect. The interviewer is very naive. I almost pity him. He's too young to understand the perspective of Moebius and Roedelius. They should have had an older interviewer. The interviewer's parents were probably in diapers when the first Kluster album came out.
+cemegonuts l think he was honest and humble really. He didnt claim to be any kind of expert. A lot of interviewers bring a lot of baggage to the interviews, historical context and theories.. l just got the impression he was a bit of a fan and wanted to know.
A&R men didn't exist in the mid-70s? That's naive. Seems to me this guy has a mix of knowledge and wanting them to recount their own story that is perfect for his young audience and for anyone watching this vid. Do we feel we know Cluster a little better after watching this? Sure we do, and he should be given credit.
Cluster was on vinyls, see the result when you try to play it from a CD… ;-) I don't understand the connection the interviewer makes with psychedelic music, cluster is Ambient music and their first album is even closer to Industrial music, no much to do with psychedelic bands such as i.e. Cream & the likes … Not being ageist I don't think the issue is age in any case but I instantly had an unpleasant feeling about this interviewer as well, yes I assume he does his best.
Listening further into the interview it's evident that the interviewer has only done a hasty homework and not much else, indeed a more enlightened person would have been much better! Regardless of the age…
@@omegatomhanksfgc nothing wrong with it-Can wouldnt be anywhere without his guidance..dont be harsh please-Prozession IS awesome. As is 7 Days/Hymnen..wunderbar!
Listen to Oskar Sala and Roland Kayn/Gottfried Michael Koenig-awesome pioneers..u can be critical if u do know talking about-cos i do, having been a fan of theirs for 30 years!
You can read more about the interview here...
► www.redbullmusicacademy.com/lectures/cluster-the-kosmische-couple
RIP Moebius. I never complement people, but this is a brilliant interview. Thank you.
Glad other listeners here pick up on the attitude of the young, smart but inexperienced host.
These 2 men represent a standard mentality of European artists loving and living their art. The much younger host seems to come from a typical American point of view that art is good if it sells and makes money. That's a big difference in cultural conditioning.
Glad that Conny Plank got mentioned in the talks....love his work with UltraVox.
Germany really took off during the 70s Disco era when Munich acquired it's own sound (Silver Convention 'Fly Robin Fly').
The airwaves were energized as the evolving Kraftwerk unleashed 'Trans European Express' .... followed in the 1980s by their monumental 'Computer World'.
Giorgio Moroder recorded the soundtrack to
film 'Midnight Express' ... but his epic with Donna Summer... ' I Feel Love' (drummer Kieth Forsey of Aman Duul2) totally changed the future of all electronic music to come! Brian Eno who was recording in Germany with Robert Fripp and David Bowie told everyone that ' I Feel Love ' was the sound of the future.
dieter moebius is one of the most inspiring musical artist i have the fortune of listening to, he really isnpired me, and I just love everything he has done
Why would anyone, having an hour or so to talk to the legendary Cluster, waste time chatting about "how did you get signed to this label or that label"?? How about the philosophy, creative thought process, technical process behind the music itself?
Well, Egon is an executive and he apparently can only think in "being-an-executive" terms.
“My dj days are far behind me”
Yeah. Right. Guy
I LOVE THIS ! I Love both of them, They are my here in Electronic Experimental Music . Dieter Moebius and Hans-Joachim Roedelius
At the peak of his career, Stockhausen's was globally famous & attracted huge audiences and attention (see Beatles' St Peppers album sleeve). I know this because I worked with him in the 60s and played his music. The concerts were always sold out no matter where we went, most of the audience was young people.
+Rolf Gehlhaar Karlheinz is high-brow, Cluster is Low-brow, intuitive,rock based. These musics shouldn't be compared.
That's incredible that you worked with stockhausen!
Wow... that is genuinely insane. How was the experience?
What a pleasant surprise to see you on here (albeit three years ago!), as one who is well aware of your legend. I worked with him myself in a much different (non-musical) capacity a little later, having worked during 1980-2000 on a book about listening to his music. I get the impression that his music is at least as popular now as it has ever been. On his videos here on TH-cam you get the old 'bogeyman' comments but also many from people who are getting something from his worth. Best wishes.
@@oblomurg Their whole thing was not to be rock and roll. I'd say they are pitched between the two things and the last thing I'd call them is lowbrow - that's a total misunderstanding if not an insult. James last - now that's lowbrow.
I want to be like these guys when I"m old. Total legends
Got most off the albums of Cluster. Very interesting music.
legends.
This interviewer facial expressions at every 'listening' moments is almost asking for a face slap. He constantly play on the card that their music is supposedly unpublishable while always questioning about what they were listening; as if a creative process is solely based on references, it looks like he is unable to even accept that they can have an eclectic musical taste and that their initial inspiration came from the contemporary art world of the time. I bet that Hans-Joachim Roedelius & Dieter Moebius werent' very pleased with that encounter as the interviewer totally bypass the chance to ask them meaningful questions.
Yeah there's an insecurity like he can't relate to genuine authentic music-making so he can't appreciate it. He seems to have a very consumerist 'hipster' attitude toward art of consuming and defining it, EVALUATING it. There's a lack of curiosity to truly openly invite anything novel from which he would gain depth and understanding in his experience of the music, its creation and its creators. His perspective is very self-centered and appeals in an implicit but foundational way to false egoic notions of objective value and an internalization that objective value is constituted by approval from peers and the general public. Once again I perceive there to be an inability to appreciate the creative process due to a compulsive and deeply foundational egoic schema of relating to things evaluatively -- either to idealize and want to possess something or to dismiss and distance oneself from something because it is not held in high esteem by others. This guy negs a lot.
@@volkerd714 Great write up.
Yep, the interviewer is incredibly annoying.
God I got 25 mins in and didn't read the comments and I'm glad to see most people think the same as me, god does this guy grate on you or what!? Who is this industry dude? I'm stunned at his patronising approach to the music of cluster, how he views it, the lack of focus on their melodic genius and ability to craft.
Lord It's just classic 'HipHop' rubbish, no in depth analysis and just skimming over the prime aspects of deep atmospheric listening. To this man Cluster wasn't one of the greatest groups of all time, just another thing to 'sample', to me it's always a dirty word. Long live cluster, they were and still are the 'real' future!
Yeah grating for sure. No relationship to authentic expression and creation. Just a consumer and evaluator.
Let's hope this "interviewer" reads the comments.
Red Bull, please hire/invite the right interviewer for the right artists... someone who has some knowledge and respect for the artists and their music. It's not about age, as was proposed in previous comments. It's about knowledge, understanding, care and deep interest in or understanding of the total oeuvre. It's not that he knows nothing about histories of music, it's more that he's a terrible interviewer and in this case has no understanding of their earlier music in relation to post-WWii Germany for example. Judgmental, presumptuous, incredulous, foolish tone most of the time. "This must have sold tons." Moebius and Roedelius were much too generous here. Egon names influential bands at the time and comments as if to ask - if you were listening to them, why didn't you sound more like them? This interview exemplifies a problem with Red Bull music academy, that many just want to know how to succeed in the business. For Moebius and Roedelius it's been a way of life.
"Judgmental, presumptuous, incredulous, foolish tone most of the time" "For Moebius and Roedelius it's been a way of life." YEP. Interviewer cant relate to the authenticity.
Yeesh the interviewer is hard to listen to
I wonder if there's any A.I. app that could remove the interviewer *Egon* from this and just pose the minimum content of his questions so as to give context to the responses. The figure of the interviewer could be a scarecrow, or a snowman. Even a stick-figure, with an A.I. voice, would be a quantum improvement.
I bet Coil would dig it
I have seen 3 or 4 RB Music Academy videos now. The guests are deeply interesting and I love the information you get out of these series. But, the interviewers seem like 'oh, I am so cool and artistic' kind of. Very common among musicians unfortunately. A bit of arrogance with lack of professionalism and knowledge... It is still good, but could be much better. Get better people.
I agree...but it's too late, Red Bull Music Academy has closed.
I fully agree
He talks more than cluster does
Excellent!
still love it!!
Insane!
This interviewer is a blight on the proceedings. He really wants to push the "you should be resentful of Eno for ripping you off"narrative. What a waste of an opportunity. Meanwhile the legendary members of Cluster just ooze class.
Yeah, man, this guy is for the birds. But at least he's keeping it moving along, but as a long time fan, I would have asked more important questions.
Vincent Gallo interviews Cluster
Lol,I wonder if Gallo's a Cluster fan.
Awesome!
This young Johnny Come Lately is talking too much about himself.
Limited time with two legends.
hahah thats egon (now again, madlib) but yes wish it was much longer
Does anyone know the name of the documentary on Brain Records?
There's a documentary on Brain Records? That sounds very interesting.
With this interviewer I feel like there is a foundational insecurity like he can't relate to genuine authentic music-making so he can't appreciate it. He seems to have a very consumerist 'hipster' attitude toward art of consuming and defining it, EVALUATING it. There's a lack of curiosity to truly openly invite anything novel from which he would gain depth and understanding in his experience of the music, its creators and its creators. His perspective is very self-centered and appeals in an implicit but foundational way to false egoic notions of objective value and an internalization that objective value is constituted by approval from peers and the general public. Once again I perceive there to be an inability to appreciate the creative process due to a compulsive and deeply foundational egoic schema of relating to things evaluatively -- either to idealize and want to possess something or to dismiss and distance oneself from something because it is not held in high esteem by others. This guy negs a lot.
i love how the interviewer tries to frame their beginnings in the terms of the modern music industry. The types of restraints and rituals (A&R men) and stuff like that didn't exist then. This is why music was so much better then. Now we have this huge machine behind the sales of music, and it ruins the creative aspect. The interviewer is very naive. I almost pity him. He's too young to understand the perspective of Moebius and Roedelius. They should have had an older interviewer. The interviewer's parents were probably in diapers when the first Kluster album came out.
+cemegonuts l think he was honest and humble really. He didnt claim to be any kind of expert. A lot of interviewers bring a lot of baggage to the interviews, historical context and theories.. l just got the impression he was a bit of a fan and wanted to know.
Don't be so judgemental. The whole point of the interview is to interview older, experienced artists in front of a young, inexperienced audience.
A&R men didn't exist in the mid-70s? That's naive. Seems to me this guy has a mix of knowledge and wanting them to recount their own story that is perfect for his young audience and for anyone watching this vid. Do we feel we know Cluster a little better after watching this? Sure we do, and he should be given credit.
Cluster was on vinyls, see the result when you try to play it from a CD… ;-) I don't understand the connection the interviewer makes with psychedelic music, cluster is Ambient music and their first album is even closer to Industrial music, no much to do with psychedelic bands such as i.e. Cream & the likes … Not being ageist I don't think the issue is age in any case but I instantly had an unpleasant feeling about this interviewer as well, yes I assume he does his best.
Listening further into the interview it's evident that the interviewer has only done a hasty homework and not much else, indeed a more enlightened person would have been much better! Regardless of the age…
Roedelius is 80plus here but looks like ca 60.
An English journalist invented the term Krautrock in the early 70s as a disparaging term. That interviewer should have done his homework. Clueless.
Absolutely terrible interviewer. Who does he think he is?
Lol
LOL, he is using a CD in the 21st century... How retro.
doesn't even come close to the earlier(!) electronic music of Stockhausen and a few other contemporaries...
Rolf Gehlhaar wait, people actually enjoy Stockhausen?
@@omegatomhanksfgc nothing wrong with it-Can wouldnt be anywhere without his guidance..dont be harsh please-Prozession IS awesome.
As is 7 Days/Hymnen..wunderbar!
Listen to Oskar Sala and Roland Kayn/Gottfried Michael Koenig-awesome pioneers..u can be critical if u do know talking about-cos i do, having been a fan of theirs for 30 years!