Does Oily Rag Combust Workshop Fire Myth Busted
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 พ.ค. 2024
- Does Oily Rag Combust, spontaneous Combustion is responsible for many fire in workshops around the world every year. let's do a simple experiment and whilst we are waiting on the results we will look at a few other area's of workshop safety. A couple of areas I forgot to mention where always have a working smoke alarm and store flammable liquida finishes waxs etc in a metal COSHH locker.
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I’m a woodworker and a new TH-camr, I know both parties as followed both channels. I’ve since unfollowed moth as the message wasn’t the issue, I just felt transparency wasn’t true and if that’s the case I can’t be comfortable not knowing where that line is between “dramatisation” and just out right manipulation. Face value, il take AvE’s opinion over moths. Just my opinion of course but I prefer my content creators being upfront and transparent, much like your video 🤙
Couldn't agree more, it's just a shame we will probably never know for sure. Reputations are now damaged unfortunately. If it is a honest video by James then obviously I also feel for him as its not nice to be called out but it does look like something isn't quite right when you watch the breakdown by ave. One thing is for sure we all know someone or have heard of someone having a shop fire due to oily rags or smoldering sawdust. Stay safe mate and enjoy your new found hobby.
Your video is extremely useful it takes the safety advice from Jason and multiplies it by 100. Good job!
Thank you 😊 much appreciated feedback 😊
I'm glad you've explained along with health and safety requirements for the workshop. Hopefully some DIYers will gain some valuable information. The self combustion is a great talk and i know that oxidation has to occur in these situations for this to happen . Great video Karl
Cheers Steve, it's a strange one why mine never combusted but maybe it needed more time.
@@karlpopewoodcraft maybe add about 20 more and compress them all together
Great video and a wonderful perspective on both videos! Cheers Mate!
Thank you, glad you appreciate my point.
Great video and a load of good info to take from it
I’ve only got the one fire extinguisher (foam) but I’m definitely considering getting a second one now.
I turn off all sockets before leaving every night just to be sure 👌
Thanks 🙏
I do the exact same, walk out to my van think I've forgot to switch something off, back in alarm off unlock the doors find everything off lol better safe then sorry. 🙂
@@karlpopewoodcraft yup I’ve been there 😂
Like you say though always better to be safe.
Some food for thought in this one mate, never thought of the shop vac risk. Good on ya for pushing safety, genuinely is an area I never think of - but should! All the best 🙏👍
Thanks Jako, ye definitely just give it some thought.
Thanks Karl. Great vid.
Cheers Jasper 🙂
I can confirm that I did have a fire in my bin a couple of years ago (first lockdown) luckily my bin is by my door and I was in the workshop at the time. There were very small off cuts. Rags with glue on. Rags with white spirit and some with osmo oils on. There was also the odd Gregg's bag and possibly even something from McDonald's.😊 I was using a router and could smell burning. It was an old T5 from trend and I thought it was the router. So I stopped what I was doing and did the Sniff test. Then I saw flames coming out of my bin. So, s*"t my pants, covered bin with fire blanket and took it outside. Job done.
Will I keep going to Gregg's? Yes.
Will I still have the occasional Big Mac? Yes
Do I keep chemical covered rags in a plastic bin? No.
I now have a small garden incinerator and put everything in there. Nothing has since lit itself, and my T5 is still going strong.
Just shows you how random these things occur. Greggs sausage rolls are king!
Very good video Karl
I have always leaned on the side of caution, safe than sorry.
A little trick I picked up years ago. Get a fire bucket with a lid, place a small plastic
bottle, three quarter full of water (those cheap flimsy water bottle you get in the supermarket).
So if it was to ignite, it would melt the bottle. I think you can work out the rest.
Thanks Oli, sounds like a interesting idea 💡 😀
Jason is one of my favorite sites. Thanks Alf.😊😊
Thank you 😊
No flames but a very timely reminder. He's shared it publicly now and safe to safe Mark's brother's story has got me more careful with not leaving batteries on charge overnight. Almost any form of spontaneous combustion requires a very specific set of conditions to get going, but Lithium is one of those materials that has a very low activation energy and poses a much higher risk than BLO in the average workshop. Still, it is great to take these simple steps to reduce the hazards of the trade. Top stuff Karl.
Thank you James, yes I didn't think about batteries that much even though I switched them all off. I now look more closely at everything. I've also ordered a COSHH locker.
Im only watching this video because i set my friends apartment on fire by accident.... I used varathane oil based stain in jacobean color. And i used microfiber rags to rub the whole floor. And one big towel to do a follow rub/wipe. Bunched them up left them in a bag around 7pm when i quit for the day .. Lo and behold. They lit on fire at 8am while i was on my way back. The fire department was swarming by 8:30.
Crazy, hope everything is OK and know one was hurt.
👍👍👍Thank you
Cheers Pete. 😀
Since I watched the vid & posted the yesterday, I've been thinking more on the "spon com" rather than the oily rag aspect. The trigger to materials prone to Spon com is moisture. If these bins contain sawdust etc & wet rags are mixed in & left over time a chemical reaction can take place with the moisture & the sawdust (fermentation) producing heat, so mix in oily rags to act as an acelerant = possible cause of fire. However this process takes time, so my thoughts are theoretical.
Interesting thoughts mate, 🤔
I hate it when videos talk sense, your right about the safety stuff. I should really get some extinguishers and first aid supply’s.
I cut my finger a few weeks back and had to put one of my little girls giraffe plasters on my hand…. I couldn’t film any more that day out of fear of ridicule.
Haha, you have a stunning workshop now as well, get a first aid kit on the wall. 😃😅
Hope you've put the top back on the Danish oil😅 & hope Screwfix sent you a new tin for the video flash😊
Haha ill send them an invoice mate 🤣
As a fire investigator who has been to a dozen fires caused clearly by rags with natural oils and have duplicated it multiple times with multiple products, rags with natural oil can and do start fires. (Case in point we had one of these fires in a handyman shop this morning that was caught on surveillance video)
Excellent, well done for serving your community in such a constructive roll.
I watched Jason's video when it first came out. I have to admit, I was quite ignorant to the whole spontaneous combustion thing! You were spot on at the start, whether it was dramatized or not, throwing your oily rags into a bin full of sawdust and offcuts is probably a bad thing to do! Great video.
Thanks Ben, ye that's my thoughts exactly.
Very good Karl.
Like yourself, I also don’t like to waste money. So I keep my oily rags in a tightly wrapped plastic bag. If it’s starved of oxygen, I would hope it’s safe?? Also, when I say rags, I would only have 2 at the most.
Regarding blunt blades, well I’ve Just finished a fairly large job with Loads of MDF skirting to cut. My blade went Very blunt to the point of Smoking!
This Really worried me. Each bit I cut, I actually wiped with a damp cloth. I then emptied the vac into the outside bin at the end of each day, Just in case.
I’ve Since bought a new blade.
As you say, “keep your blades sharp”.
When possible, sweep and clean the shop to minimise a chance of fire.
Regarding turning power off. I Always do this as batteries can be dodgy.
I'm really not sure about the rags, I think the theory sounds right about the oxygen as surely that would halt the curing process which is what generates the heat as I believe. I always err on the side of caution if in doubt.
A saw the video on Jason's channel and yea granted a think it did get dramatised a little but like you I've always been told about the danish oil being the worst one but I have heard of few people who have had issues with oily rags. And to who u blurred out for privacy I saw that this morning and yea seriously makes u think can't imagine what he's going through. Don't think I'd be able come back from that thoughts with him and **** and there family. 👍🏴
Ye I didn't know Mark was going to tell people so thought best to not mention it but he's obviously said publicly now. Thanks for watching mate.
@@karlpopewoodcraft no worries man good video got me thinking about few things in my space and to be fair a think the unit am in will be insured but all my gear don't think will be covered. Roll on next video!keep em coming you gonna get involved in the take a pallet sell a table! 🏴👍
@Michael Willson ye mate made that video about 4 weeks ago and had the table up for sale since, no luck so far but I'll give it another week before I release the video. 🙂
@@karlpopewoodcraft fingers crossed for u m8 a may look at giving it shit am trying juggle so many things right now between kids being off with Easter work gonna be starting in my own house and got 2 projects need get done and list things to do between projects and shop stuff the legnth my arm. 🤯😬
@Michael Willson life mate, always in the way, I'm the same 5 kids 1 grand kid, full time job, making social media content and finally teach bjj! Phew I need a test just saying it all 🤣
I have to say that I've worked in steelworks and various workshops over the years where oily rags have been thrown in the workshop bin and I've never known a bin to spontaneously combust..🤔
Ye it seems its a very random occurrence and catches people unaware on most instances. I'd say complacency is probably our worst enemy here.
We're talking about drying oils, not lubricating oils. That is, oils which react with atmospheric oxygen in a slightly exothermic polymerization reaction to form a solid end product. Specificially, we're talking about chemically-catalyzed vegetable oils, not refined mineral oils.
@@HammyJamPants Good 👉 point indeed.
the problem is, that Bourbon moths video dos'nt give you any info on what to look out for in this type of fire. i just don't understand why he did'nt just add a caption saying reconstruction or demo. because if you go to the trouble of setting up the test then why not run it? it dos'nt make sense to me, he might have well just made a vid saying dont leave boiled linerseed rags in a bin they will catch fire.
Totally agree Edd. Only thing is his video would be a flop like mine if it was totally honest 🤣 so bull crap gets views and that's why he's raking in the dosh because people like to watch that stuff, views don't lie. Cheers for watching mate.
LINDEED OIL
Indeed.
Are you still enjoying making woodworking videos Karl ?
Ye mate, just doing one per month now on TH-cam so I can put a little more effort into the production etc. Facebook is also my main priority now as well because its booming compared to TH-cam. I have my ups and downs but that's just me really not what I'm doing. I've set myself a goal of 100k and I'll dye trying probably. My main focus is to leave a great business for Jakob.
Plying dishonesty to "bring attention to an issue" is no more respectable than dishonesty for any other reason. Misinformation is not helpful.
If you want to educate about the risks, then portray the risks as they are. If you want to suggest to the viewer that they are seeing an (amateur) scientific study of the specific nature of those risks, then give them exactly that. If your conclusions are predetermined and your results are fabricated, then you're engaged in fraud. It doesn't matter if you're a guy in his workshop trying to dupe his neighbor or a published academic. It's unethical, and the ends don't justify the means. That simple fact should be even more abundantly clear when the "ends" is something which would have required comparable effort to accomplish honestly.
That said, of course it's a risk. I'd just like to see the subject treated like any learnable subject and less like urban legend and fish tales.
I do agree and it's personally not something I would do as you will of seen in my videos. Having said that it's common place in all areas of entertainment, True movies are all done that way otherwise they would probably not make much money. Just my opinion, I still wouldn't so it though even if I never grow as a channel.
AvE makes a mistake however and says the melting point of the bags are 110°. While this is true in C, Jason is measuring in F which would be 230°.
Interesting, like I say I'm not into the science of it all I'm just aware it can happen so take the relevant precautions mate.
Good video. I’m saying the Moth person added dramatization, also known as lying…
Haha 😄
He also added a link to sell some metal garbage cans.
@@gaborradu1275 haha I should do this 😂
I would believe AVE over the moth
It's not I don't believe one or the other mate but he definitely has valid points but at the same time we all know someone how's had a workshop fire due to oily rags.
@@karlpopewoodcraft yes I am not saying that you did but AVE is very knowledgeable I agree with you that it happens moth deliberately set fire to his 😂
Lads, go watch AVE's newest video..... 👍 😉
I've watched Jason's film on this and I think his method was good. Different finishes tested under different conditions with temperature checks each hour. The interesting bit was that there didn't seem to be any rhyme or reason which chemical/condition was going to cause spontaneous combustion. If this was on Mythbusters, I think the outcome would be "Plausible". It's a simple thing to do to minimise a risk so why test it. Same with all the other mitigations you have in your shop like first aid, fire extinguishers, PPE etc - you hope they will never be needed or protect you from a risk regardless of how remote.
Good video Carl and points well made.
Hi Daniel yes couldn't agree more, totally random it seems. This is something I've always wondered about and being very worried and curious so for me it was out of interest especially after the two videos I watched. All we can do is take the appropriate precautions isn't it. I've just ordered a COSHH locker as well just to up my game in that area. Thanks for watching mate.
There's ALWAYS smoke 1st.
We’re you actually trying to prove Yorkshire men aren’t tight😂😂😂
Haha I'm still fretting about all that waste mate. 🤣
Karl, as you mentioned about the battery problem with bursting into flames etc, after doing research and talking to a number of people some who work within HSE I was told that just turning off the battery chargers at the switch was not going to stop them bursting into flames. The best practice with the battery chargers and battery is simply to remove the battery from the charger completely when you're not going to be in this area. So every single time I have finished what I'm doing in my workshop I just like you have a mental checklist I go through before I turn out my lights. 1 All wall switches turned off, 2 unplug all chargers from wall and remove any batteries from them. 3. Lock windows. 4 turn off all lights. And just before I lock the workshop up for the night I actually flick the mains swith in my electrical panel so zero power enters my workshop. Long winded I know but I'd rather go back the following day to use my workshop rather than have to rebuild it !!!
Good point, I'm often leaving batteries in the charger switched off. I'll be changing that now.
Faking is not dramatization!
Don't think you understand, did you take anything else from my video on workshop safety or just that one comment?
If it does or doesn't presents factual evidence; if it doesn't ignite that is one set of facts, but if it does even once, that proves the concept of such spontaneous combustion once and for all. Anecdotal stories suggest it occurs, infrequently, but often enough to be a legitimate concern worth taking precautions against. More experiments might clarify what factors raise or lower likelihood, for practical purposes, i.e. types of oils, absorbable material, density, moisture, air supply. But ignoring plausible problems is just stupid.
Agreed 👍
Don't want to tempt fait but I've had the same rags I use for fiddes wax in the same bag in workshop for about 2 years no problems.
One thing i will say to all the hobby or professional cnc users, never leave it unattended as I have personally seen oak sawdust get hot and start smoking whilst machining due to blunt cutters.
Ye extra careful all the time for me, its too much to lose.