Aviana can be good if you have a temporary silencer. Part of the problem is hs doesn't have this a 2 mana minion that have battle cry to silence for a turn or just temporary dormand minion.
About the Aviana Duskfallen vs Temporus debate, keep in mind that Temporus gets HARD countered by Aviana, as you can Aviana the first turn given by Temporus and then use the effect the 2nd turn. I'm surprised noone considered the famous Aviana Duskfallen Druid vs TTK (Two Turn Kill) Temporus Priest matchup.
Chat: "This card is awful. You need a very specific circumstance for this to do something" Also chat: "this card is fine, as long as you get a specific circumstance, this card can actually do something"
I think one important point missed with Hir'eek is the set of was printed in. It had overkill as a keyword, meaning that if you cast it you not only spent 8 mana to fill your bourd with worthless imps but you also just gave your opponent 7 chances to trigger overkill.
I remenber i stoped playing for a while after getting hireek I just quit out of trying to make it work If Warlock had good hand buffs that would be other story But it does not Therefore it isnt.
I remenber i stoped playing for a while after getting hireek I just quit out of trying to make it work among other things If Warlock had good hand buffs that would be other story But it does not Therefore it isnt.
@@LordDanywarlock had 1 mana spell that gave your leftmost minion i hand +2/+2. I've used to use both of that spells on hireek and that's 7 5/5 minions for 8 mana
Real talk- Gruul was in classic for the ENTIRETY of The Boogeymonster's existence, and the ONLY WAY Boogey beat Gruul was if you gave it Windfury, and cleared minions, and honestly, if you're giving your 8 mana minion windfury and it can attack, you've kinda already won. So.... boogeyman was dogshit
You can make a solid argument that if your opponent fails to kill you through temporus you can almost assuredly kill them so it’s at least coinflipping the game to win rather than coinflipping the game to potentially get a 0 mana big guy that does nothing.
I opened a Golden Temporus and I honestly played it back when it was in standard as a 2 turn kill play alongside Dragon Soul It was not a good deck but against a slower deck it honestly pulled out a fair number of wins Temporus may go down in history as one of the worst legendaries ever but I will always keep it in my heart
Problem is with the good card king of the hill, the rules were all over the place. "We're judging a card based on how it is currently" "Patches too good, winner" Cards that were too good and got nerfed "Nah, it's bad now." but patches? Patches is eternal even though I never see it played anymore.
I remember when Aviana came on the screen, the absolute SPAM of “IT’S OVER” and “THIS IS IT”. It was glorious to watch. Great stream, Rarran, thank you for all the laughs.
I think another thing that theoretically makes Millhouse less garbage than Aviana is the fact he can come down so much earlier, when decks playing a lot of big cards should theoretically have a smaller hand(and thus be less likely to demolish you.) The fact it makes ALL spells cost 0 is garbage, but as we saw during your video of trying to play him a lot, sometimes people just don't have spells worth using on turn 2. They'll ALWAYS have something to use Aviana on, even if it's just killing her for a tempo boost.
Also, if you get Millhouse early, there's a high chance that the opponent specifically doesn't have high-cost spells, because they would've mulliganed them in their starting hand.
I remember the Boogeymonster being the very first legendary I opened when I started playing the game. It was like the week Whisper of the Old God was out, I was free to play, and that was the first legendary I got. I was so excited, I put him on every deck I owned, then I discovered the truth and it sucked. A lot. I don't know why I kept playing to this day.
Just wanna mention that millhouse did see a decent amount of play, but not from hand, the paladin deck that was all about recruiting cheap minions from the deck ran millhouse cause of the fact he was tiny, but huge.
But it could also be used in combo lists at the least, or given to your opponent for a kill. Aviana just doesn’t have an upside. They get a free card, kill it, and you die.
the issue with that is that it was used in a couple decks to great effect, both by turning into ragnaros and heropowering the enemy todeath and by giving him to the enemy then oneshotting them once their new max HP becomes 8. therefor It was "bad" enouth to have 2 otk decks built around it which kind of makes it a "good" card again.
I mean, Temporus had a meme deck use. Before Illucia got gutted in effect, you could do a time warp otk in Wild by playing a bunch of grave horrors+arcane giants for 0 mana, then Temporus + Illucia (ideally reduced in cost by Nozmani Bloodweaver). Swapping decks with Illucia's old effect made it so you got your opponent's turn from Temporus, which the giants no longer had summoning sickness and could go face.
I appreciate this new method of polling chat on these ranking streams. There is a lot more accountability when someone has to talk to you, one on one, and your charisma really shines through when you are the interviewer.
I got legend with Temporus in priest. I played a deck called Wall priest that was about cheating out big minions. It struggled with some tempo decks, but it would often be at 30 health since you played like tar creeper and similar taunts early on. So I'd play this guy, or even cheat him out, and give the opponent two turns with an empty board and no threats. He does like 15 damage, but i can always clear the board as priest at this point and Priest had a 4 mana heal 12 card. Basically this was an anti tempo tech in a tier 2 deck.
Yeah I actually think it’s crazy how hated Malorne is. Not a great card by any means, but definitely some niche use cases, and not the worst card you could put in your deck.
@Lukas Nero the deck had one good match up. Control warrior. It was like 80:20. And Malorn was good in that match up and made it a 90:10. Yes it was bad vs aggro and something like tree of life was better, but the matchup still stayed bad. For ladder I agree, malorn was probably worse. But if you wanted to counter cw specifically in a tournament like setting a case can be made for malorn.
Eydis Darkbane was a semi competent inclusion in wild when librams where at their peak there. They where never really meta in wild but she is by no means a bad card anymore since librams got released.
Just for posterity sake, I'm gonna repeat here what I said in chat: Temporus, as much as it would lose you the game now, it ACTUALL saw play! Not competitive, but there was a strong deck ot Miracle Dragon Priest that ran it. You gotta remember that Temporus was in standard at the same time as Awaken the Makers, Raza, Lyra, Radiant Elemental, Shadow Reaper Anduin, the dragon synergies from Priests and most importantly Divine Spirit and Inner Fire. Back then you would play this card in the late game, when you already used your Mara to heal up to 40 health, and you already transformed into Shadow Reaper Anduin. You play Temporus while ahead, the opponent responds to it and another threat you might have on the board, but unless they are Quest Mage or Bloodreaver Gul'Dan, no deck could stop what came next. No deck could muster 30+ damage to kill you in two turns, specially if you played Temporus when you had a board, they would take their two turns, damage you a bit. Then on your turn, you play Lyra, then Radiant Elemental, then another Radiant Elemental you would copy or discover, then the miracle happens. On your full extra turn you have 10 mana, spells discounted by 2, Lyra generating you extra free spells, among them Inner Fire and Divine Spirit, plus the Anduin hero power dealing 2 damage for free and reseting with every card played, and you finish them off going face with a 48/48 Radiant Elemental. The only reason why Quest Mage would stop it is that they want an extra turn to kill you with Antonidas, that was the entire point of the quest, and Bloodreaver Gul'Dan could be slapped with no drawbacks and put a couple Voidlords between him and your buffed minion. But guess what? Against those decks you just don't play Temporus. For a small frame of time, Temporus allowed a combo Priest deck to be consistent and be meta, and the only reason it didn't see play in competitive was because two of the most popular tournament decks were exactly Quest Mage and Cubelock.
Poor Prince Valanar. Honestly, if he was a 4/4 Taunt Lifesteal WITH NO CONDITION whatsoever, he would've struggled to be anything more than a good Arena pick even when he was new. It's like sure, that's not bad, but it's not bad in the way a lot of fringe playable pack filler is not bad.
boogeymonster will forever be the worst in my heart, i've had to quadraple check, that it's a real legendary, and not just some bad packfiller uncommon
Something i wanted to say in defense of anomalous vs Malorne, is that Anomalous can actually lose you a game, via being randomly generated/ evolved into, not as much as an octosari can though.
Aviana has to be the worse because no other legendary makes you lose the game whenever you play or get it randomly. There are a bunch of useless legendaries, there are legendaries that waste your mana, there are a bunch that could backfire and sometimes make you lose. But Aviana is the only one that's an instant concede button, so she is our one and only queen of the hill 👑
Acidmaw actually did see play, but only very early in the Grand Tournament. I saw them mainly on some aggro hunters as a good way to clear any big taunts you're desperately throwing on the board to stay alive. They usually had their board full with small minions, threw down Acidmaw, killed your 2-3 taunt minions and have the rest continue to go face. After that you couldn't throw down any taunt minions again because the hunter would just keep clearing with his small minions, and with every minion being so small the hunter had nothing to lose on their side. You had to answer it and yet stay alive. Along the way we got plenty of cards that are simply way better than Acidmaw, that's why it never seen any play again.
Hmm makes me question whos a better bait card? Aviana(1st enemy card cost 0) millhouse(all enemies spells zero for a turn) or ulthok (all enemy cards cost health)
This was really funny, I’d love to see more of these. Maybe do like debating which is the most fun legendary between the two, would lead to some interesting and funny takes
Such memories my first golden legendary being The boogeymonster 😂 definitely dusted after a few failed played attempts and now I've got the base one just so it doest show up in a pack again
I used to play Val'anyr in my handbuff pally when i had no cards at all lmao, was really good when it hit dopplegangster or pre nerf saronite chain gang
I think you passed over Prince Valanar too quickly without really discussing the fact that he never ever saw a lick of play, not even an attempt, because 4 mana was the most powerful mana cost at the time (fireball, conc, eternal servitude). You were never going to run an understatted minion with a terrible effect for that payoff.
The chater is right though. There were decks in frozen throne that didn't have anything good on 4 so valnar was a good play. Course, that was a really short time before people saw saronite+keleseth
Why? You should play only 1 beast to revive him with 3 mana spell? Like you are playing 3 mana spell and cubing spider. Ehy would you play another beast to always have 50/50 chance to revive spider?
@@sajtjakab why do you need to play against mill? Its literally was 0% to play against a mill deck that time? There was only fun mill rogue, but you would beat her to death mith spiders
@@sajtjakab I am sure remember that druid was playing no beast except spider. This druid dont even played hero card bc 1/5 beetles and 1/2 spiders was beasts. So you are playing first spider and killing it with naturalise. Then you revive him with witch hour and cube him to get another 2 spiders. And then you are reviving him again to cube him second time. So you would have a total amount of 7 spiders and 7 waves of taunts.
With Milhouse, your opponent might not be playing spells or have few or no spells in hand. It may also be that it doesn’t make sense for them to play the card at the time. You can also evolve into Milhouse, recruit or cheat him out in other ways. Aviana’s main disadvantage is that she’s mid game and gives a huge advantage to your opponent as long as they have a minion. Aviana also has to survive this next turn. You don’t want someone to evolve or recruit Aviana because you already had to use a card to do this, so you don’t get the benefit. One of the only exceptions would be Y’sharj pulling her from your deck at start of turn and allowing you to cheat out something big. It’s very hard to get it to feel good to cheat her out, so I would call her worse.
Back in the days of Kobolds and Catacombs, I actually got close to legend playing a Call to Arms paladin deck with Dirty Rat and Millhouse. Turn 4 Call was so insane when you got those two because you get a big taunt to shut down aggro, and a beefy 4/4 to contend with other midrange threats. I even played Millhouse on turn 2 if I had it in hand, which admittedly lost me some games, but a surprising amount of the time, his battlecry actually didn't end up backfiring too horribly, so it was just a solid card.
There was a cooperative Tavern Brawl where Aviana was broken. By the end of the week everyone was playing this druid deck with her. I've never seen a first where Hireek was ever remotely good.
Anomalus should have been carried until Aviana, completely unplayable in mage because mage has pretty much no way to activate it as a board wipe and every RNG way to summon it meant you were pretty much guaranteed to nuke your own board.
I'm surprised nobody defended Malorne initially. It definitely saw play when it was released because mill druid was a deck that also played the 1 mana spell that gave a minion +1/+1 gain armor equal to its attack. That combo is a 8 mana 10/8 gain 10, don't lose to fatigue and that's a strong combo against control
If I remember right, malorne was in the classic set, right? (It has been quite a while) I remember it popping as just a reoccurring resource. Just a threat that you’d always (eventually) get back And Boogeymonster saw play it battlegrounds, specifically, in battlegrounds where you are losing terribly and convince yourself that maybe it will pop off THIS time (it wouldn’t.)
@@Rarran must be what I am thinking of. I remember druid basically tried to end games by ramping to the savage roar combo or just huge minions since most classes only had a handful of ways to deal with big threats. Druid also was on the better end in terms of card draw so they didn't stall out as quickly and had a decent chance of playing it again if the opponent used their BGH on it. (God, I'm now remembering when BGH, ironbeak and acidic ooze were just common cards to include in a deck). I don't remember what rank I played back then, so might have been he only showed up in wood league.
Milhouse tended to make people panic back in the day - they'd use spells they shouldn't be using on a 4/4 just to not lose momentum. But it all depends on playing him on curve. It was actually pretty rare that you'd lose the game outright on turn four as they wouldn't have the capability to do it. Playing Milhouse any time after turning four was suicidal though against most classes.
Aviana is 5 mana so you got 5 more mana to try to force your enemy to response. removing 7hp minion is not always easy. especialy in druid hoden behind taunt.
Also, ffs, Hir'eek at LEAST has the possibility of getting future support in Wild. The effect is goofy enough to MAYBE have a tier 4 come around and use it as a "hehe" Win Condition. Boogeymonster? Never in a million years.
I thought I'd found the video kinda mid but it was pretty good. Having short interactions/arguments from viewers and with montage making it a bit dynamic was nice.
You know, I thought Aviana had this in the bag but uh...that comparison at 22:57. Aviana PROBABLY loses you the game. Temporus DEFINITELY loses you the game. At 7 mana, there is 0 chance you ever get the upside from Temporus. Rarran I have a challenge for you. Since you genuinely seem to think that Temporus has an upside, I challenge you to make it work in one single game. Play games with Temporus in your deck until you can play it and benefit from the "upside". It's a priest legendary. A class that famously sacrifices tempo for answers. @Rarran
18:38 When I discuss hearthstone with people, *A LOT OF TIMES,* people will come up with situations like this one, and say that I'm wrong, because I'm not counting with that... like WHEN DOES THAT EVER GOING TO HAPPEN?
It's so crazy to me that melorne beat krul... At least when you rng a melorne it's a 7m 9/7 with upside vs krul which is a 9m conditional summon 2 or 3 minions
Boogeymonster got too much hate. Its pretty bad sure but if you discover, summon, or evolve into him late game he was effective at denying your opponent a board.
What’s crazy about Boogeymonster is that even with rush it’s a pretty bad card. It’s like a bad version of a warrior card…. and missing instant board impact.
Technically for the boogey vs antonidas discussion: With Antonidas, you wait 3 turns, then you do 6 damage to 3 random targets With Boogey, you deal 6, 8 and 10 damage to targets of your choice
No. Antonidas has an effect on play. You don't play it on board and wait 3 turns. You just play cards in your deck you'd be playing anyway to set it up. Boogeymonster was literally spend 8 mana do nothing.
@@chipchippahson My point being: boogie is an 8 mana do nothing, and then deal progressively more damage over 3 turns Antonidas is spend 3 turns playing potentially unoptimaly, and then yeet 3 random fireballs Antonidas has a more immediate effect but it's lesser, and requires more setup
I wish there was more hate for Genzo. Dude was an "aggro deck" legendary Jeeves which couldn't trigger unless he got to attack. Also props to those saying Hireek was fun, because I've seen Hireek played, regardless of if it was good or not, but I can't remember seening an opponent even play Boogeymonster.
I called it. That Duskfallen Aviana is the worst card. Even than Moorabi. Because rn, with the current frost package that Shaman got during Alterac Valley set, he suddenly become much, MUCH better than the getting worse and worse Dusk Aviana. Btw nice video as always, Rarren.
The Hir'eek vs. Aviana discussion is essentially "What is worse: An empty gun or one that shoots you in your knee?"
more like a toy gun thats broken vs aviana's give the opponent a nuke to do has they please with
aviana 100% of the time
Aviana can be good if you have a temporary silencer. Part of the problem is hs doesn't have this a 2 mana minion that have battle cry to silence for a turn or just temporary dormand minion.
@@r3zaful maiev and incarceration
I played aviana on 5 once. Immediately lost to malygos.
"There is never a use-case for fucking the Boogeymonster"
-Rarran, 2023
16:13
Boogeymonster is literally me?
Now the Boogie Monster, on the other hand... Sheesh.
About the Aviana Duskfallen vs Temporus debate, keep in mind that Temporus gets HARD countered by Aviana, as you can Aviana the first turn given by Temporus and then use the effect the 2nd turn. I'm surprised noone considered the famous Aviana Duskfallen Druid vs TTK (Two Turn Kill) Temporus Priest matchup.
This is such a funny comment
Weren't both cards hall of famed
Temporus is usable in Rogue. Aviana is not. Temporus is also a dragon. Temporus wins.
Oh yeah the very famous, well known and overplayed left and right until exhaustion, Duskfallen Druid vs Temporus Priest...
@@Cuestrupaster this is such a redundant comment
Chat: "This card is awful. You need a very specific circumstance for this to do something"
Also chat: "this card is fine, as long as you get a specific circumstance, this card can actually do something"
Getting people to comment on discord really makes the video more interactive and adds different perspectives. Nice one Rarran!
Unfortunately some dude had to put a wet blanket on it so I'm not sure how much we'll see it in the future. It sucks cause I agree with you.
@Radigan That a take from Crowder or Sargon?
@Radigan The fuck?
Agreed
I think one important point missed with Hir'eek is the set of was printed in. It had overkill as a keyword, meaning that if you cast it you not only spent 8 mana to fill your bourd with worthless imps but you also just gave your opponent 7 chances to trigger overkill.
Wich makes it worser
@@LordDany That it does.
I remenber i stoped playing for a while after getting hireek
I just quit out of trying to make it work
If Warlock had good hand buffs that would be other story
But it does not Therefore it isnt.
I remenber i stoped playing for a while after getting hireek
I just quit out of trying to make it work among other things
If Warlock had good hand buffs that would be other story
But it does not Therefore it isnt.
@@LordDanywarlock had 1 mana spell that gave your leftmost minion i hand +2/+2. I've used to use both of that spells on hireek and that's 7 5/5 minions for 8 mana
Real talk- Gruul was in classic for the ENTIRETY of The Boogeymonster's existence, and the ONLY WAY Boogey beat Gruul was if you gave it Windfury, and cleared minions, and honestly, if you're giving your 8 mana minion windfury and it can attack, you've kinda already won. So.... boogeyman was dogshit
You can make a solid argument that if your opponent fails to kill you through temporus you can almost assuredly kill them so it’s at least coinflipping the game to win rather than coinflipping the game to potentially get a 0 mana big guy that does nothing.
I opened a Golden Temporus and I honestly played it back when it was in standard as a 2 turn kill play alongside Dragon Soul
It was not a good deck but against a slower deck it honestly pulled out a fair number of wins
Temporus may go down in history as one of the worst legendaries ever but I will always keep it in my heart
I think this is so much better than the previous king of the hill video since there's more discussion on why a card is bad than why a card is good
Problem is with the good card king of the hill, the rules were all over the place. "We're judging a card based on how it is currently"
"Patches too good, winner"
Cards that were too good and got nerfed "Nah, it's bad now." but patches? Patches is eternal even though I never see it played anymore.
I remember when Aviana came on the screen, the absolute SPAM of “IT’S OVER” and “THIS IS IT”. It was glorious to watch.
Great stream, Rarran, thank you for all the laughs.
I think another thing that theoretically makes Millhouse less garbage than Aviana is the fact he can come down so much earlier, when decks playing a lot of big cards should theoretically have a smaller hand(and thus be less likely to demolish you.) The fact it makes ALL spells cost 0 is garbage, but as we saw during your video of trying to play him a lot, sometimes people just don't have spells worth using on turn 2. They'll ALWAYS have something to use Aviana on, even if it's just killing her for a tempo boost.
And Millhouse was played with Drek'thar
@@ympalympa6796 Mhm, he's been played in a few ways to cheat him out, but Rarran already mentioned that in the video
Also, if you get Millhouse early, there's a high chance that the opponent specifically doesn't have high-cost spells, because they would've mulliganed them in their starting hand.
I remember the Boogeymonster being the very first legendary I opened when I started playing the game. It was like the week Whisper of the Old God was out, I was free to play, and that was the first legendary I got. I was so excited, I put him on every deck I owned, then I discovered the truth and it sucked. A lot. I don't know why I kept playing to this day.
"There is never a use case for fucking the Boogeymonster"
Rarran stop kinkshaming me
If I remember correctly Hemet was added to counter a beast deck that blizz thought would be meta, making it the original "unicorn" deck.
Just wanna mention that millhouse did see a decent amount of play, but not from hand, the paladin deck that was all about recruiting cheap minions from the deck ran millhouse cause of the fact he was tiny, but huge.
I missed Marjordomo Executus, that card made you lose on the next turn around 60% of the time
But it could also be used in combo lists at the least, or given to your opponent for a kill. Aviana just doesn’t have an upside. They get a free card, kill it, and you die.
the issue with that is that it was used in a couple decks to great effect, both by turning into ragnaros and heropowering the enemy todeath and by giving him to the enemy then oneshotting them once their new max HP becomes 8. therefor It was "bad" enouth to have 2 otk decks built around it which kind of makes it a "good" card again.
@@TheTomoyaNagase same case for hi'reek being able to phylactery, it's just a worse case of wicked shipment/dragon that sets a hero at 15
There was a video by kripp. Major domo was so bad, you would try and give it to your opponent! By some mc shenanigans.
I remember someone defending Temporus against Aviana in live 👀
Hmmm what did he say?🤔
I'd like to forget
I wonder why Rarran cut them from the video they made such a good point
@@EZ-eu1cvwell Aviana lost (or won?) Anyway, don't see the point
I mean, Temporus had a meme deck use. Before Illucia got gutted in effect, you could do a time warp otk in Wild by playing a bunch of grave horrors+arcane giants for 0 mana, then Temporus + Illucia (ideally reduced in cost by Nozmani Bloodweaver). Swapping decks with Illucia's old effect made it so you got your opponent's turn from Temporus, which the giants no longer had summoning sickness and could go face.
"If you put him [sic] in your deck that's one less spot for Guff" sent me 😂
I appreciate this new method of polling chat on these ranking streams. There is a lot more accountability when someone has to talk to you, one on one, and your charisma really shines through when you are the interviewer.
I got legend with Temporus in priest. I played a deck called Wall priest that was about cheating out big minions. It struggled with some tempo decks, but it would often be at 30 health since you played like tar creeper and similar taunts early on. So I'd play this guy, or even cheat him out, and give the opponent two turns with an empty board and no threats. He does like 15 damage, but i can always clear the board as priest at this point and Priest had a 4 mana heal 12 card. Basically this was an anti tempo tech in a tier 2 deck.
No one respects Malorne for his place in Mill Druid back in the day. The disrespect! He was there when the mill-archetype was created!
Yeah I actually think it’s crazy how hated Malorne is. Not a great card by any means, but definitely some niche use cases, and not the worst card you could put in your deck.
@Lukas Nero the deck had one good match up. Control warrior. It was like 80:20. And Malorn was good in that match up and made it a 90:10. Yes it was bad vs aggro and something like tree of life was better, but the matchup still stayed bad. For ladder I agree, malorn was probably worse. But if you wanted to counter cw specifically in a tournament like setting a case can be made for malorn.
Malorne was a bad card in mill druid too
Eydis Darkbane was a semi competent inclusion in wild when librams where at their peak there. They where never really meta in wild but she is by no means a bad card anymore since librams got released.
Now she has synergy with Hunter bananas. Eydis can only get better imo
Wow. I hope you do more King of the Hill style videos.
This was funny, had good discussion, and was a genuinely good time. Great video dude.
I really liked my Val’anyr deck back in the day. It was a lot of fun.
Just for posterity sake, I'm gonna repeat here what I said in chat:
Temporus, as much as it would lose you the game now, it ACTUALL saw play! Not competitive, but there was a strong deck ot Miracle Dragon Priest that ran it.
You gotta remember that Temporus was in standard at the same time as Awaken the Makers, Raza, Lyra, Radiant Elemental, Shadow Reaper Anduin, the dragon synergies from Priests and most importantly Divine Spirit and Inner Fire.
Back then you would play this card in the late game, when you already used your Mara to heal up to 40 health, and you already transformed into Shadow Reaper Anduin. You play Temporus while ahead, the opponent responds to it and another threat you might have on the board, but unless they are Quest Mage or Bloodreaver Gul'Dan, no deck could stop what came next.
No deck could muster 30+ damage to kill you in two turns, specially if you played Temporus when you had a board, they would take their two turns, damage you a bit. Then on your turn, you play Lyra, then Radiant Elemental, then another Radiant Elemental you would copy or discover, then the miracle happens. On your full extra turn you have 10 mana, spells discounted by 2, Lyra generating you extra free spells, among them Inner Fire and Divine Spirit, plus the Anduin hero power dealing 2 damage for free and reseting with every card played, and you finish them off going face with a 48/48 Radiant Elemental.
The only reason why Quest Mage would stop it is that they want an extra turn to kill you with Antonidas, that was the entire point of the quest, and Bloodreaver Gul'Dan could be slapped with no drawbacks and put a couple Voidlords between him and your buffed minion. But guess what? Against those decks you just don't play Temporus.
For a small frame of time, Temporus allowed a combo Priest deck to be consistent and be meta, and the only reason it didn't see play in competitive was because two of the most popular tournament decks were exactly Quest Mage and Cubelock.
Oh, and if you think I'm full of shyat here, check out the old Brian Kibler videos, the deck was his creation.
Poor Prince Valanar. Honestly, if he was a 4/4 Taunt Lifesteal WITH NO CONDITION whatsoever, he would've struggled to be anything more than a good Arena pick even when he was new. It's like sure, that's not bad, but it's not bad in the way a lot of fringe playable pack filler is not bad.
Can’t believe my favorite Hearthstone TH-camr is finally doing a video on me! I’m so flattered
I think you changing your pfp and name ruined the joke.
@@adumbfurry7036 I didn’t change my name, Rarran changed the title of the video
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@@megadrivecar_ he changed the title of the video, was something along the lines of "the worst thing in hearthstone" when i posted this
boogeymonster will forever be the worst in my heart, i've had to quadraple check, that it's a real legendary, and not just some bad packfiller uncommon
Tbf Malorne was used in the old druid undertaker deck which I think everyone forgets about
Something i wanted to say in defense of anomalous vs Malorne, is that Anomalous can actually lose you a game, via being randomly generated/ evolved into, not as much as an octosari can though.
Aviana has to be the worse because no other legendary makes you lose the game whenever you play or get it randomly. There are a bunch of useless legendaries, there are legendaries that waste your mana, there are a bunch that could backfire and sometimes make you lose. But Aviana is the only one that's an instant concede button, so she is our one and only queen of the hill 👑
in defence of hogger (however late it is) it was released alongside C'thun as a hard counter in case C'thun gets too powerful
Deck of Chaos into Hir'eek makes it a one mana card that fills your board with 9/1s. It'll probably get cleared, but it's still pretty threatening.
Boogeymonster's value = 2 mana. It forces the opponent to react and spend 7 damage. Doomsayer essentially.
Acidmaw actually did see play, but only very early in the Grand Tournament. I saw them mainly on some aggro hunters as a good way to clear any big taunts you're desperately throwing on the board to stay alive. They usually had their board full with small minions, threw down Acidmaw, killed your 2-3 taunt minions and have the rest continue to go face. After that you couldn't throw down any taunt minions again because the hunter would just keep clearing with his small minions, and with every minion being so small the hunter had nothing to lose on their side. You had to answer it and yet stay alive. Along the way we got plenty of cards that are simply way better than Acidmaw, that's why it never seen any play again.
The Aviana incident 💀
nah bro we dont talk about that
Whats that?
The only defence I have for Malorne is that it’s useful as a random hit or a discover if nothing else is appealing
Hmm makes me question whos a better bait card? Aviana(1st enemy card cost 0) millhouse(all enemies spells zero for a turn) or ulthok (all enemy cards cost health)
If Hir’eek was a Paladin card it’d be very playable. Duskfallen Aviana, in almost all situations it loses the game no matter what class it’s in.
This was really funny, I’d love to see more of these. Maybe do like debating which is the most fun legendary between the two, would lead to some interesting and funny takes
anomalus was so bad for random minions being created, it definitely wrecked yourself way more often than the opponent.
Such memories my first golden legendary being The boogeymonster 😂 definitely dusted after a few failed played attempts and now I've got the base one just so it doest show up in a pack again
I used to play Val'anyr in my handbuff pally when i had no cards at all lmao, was really good when it hit dopplegangster or pre nerf saronite chain gang
22:48 The original recruit card was Y’Shaarj from WotOG
I think you passed over Prince Valanar too quickly without really discussing the fact that he never ever saw a lick of play, not even an attempt, because 4 mana was the most powerful mana cost at the time (fireball, conc, eternal servitude). You were never going to run an understatted minion with a terrible effect for that payoff.
The chater is right though. There were decks in frozen throne that didn't have anything good on 4 so valnar was a good play. Course, that was a really short time before people saw saronite+keleseth
It was really fun to participate in this video (i was the dude who sounded baked as hell)
Malorne was played in hadronox decks
Why? You should play only 1 beast to revive him with 3 mana spell? Like you are playing 3 mana spell and cubing spider. Ehy would you play another beast to always have 50/50 chance to revive spider?
@@impkiller5932 iirc it was a secondary win condition to go infinite against any type of mill
@@sajtjakab why do you need to play against mill? Its literally was 0% to play against a mill deck that time? There was only fun mill rogue, but you would beat her to death mith spiders
@@impkiller5932 I'll level with you.. I haven't got the slightest idea why things were the way they were 6 years ago X)
@@sajtjakab I am sure remember that druid was playing no beast except spider. This druid dont even played hero card bc 1/5 beetles and 1/2 spiders was beasts. So you are playing first spider and killing it with naturalise. Then you revive him with witch hour and cube him to get another 2 spiders. And then you are reviving him again to cube him second time. So you would have a total amount of 7 spiders and 7 waves of taunts.
Although i'm not the biggest hearthstone fan i really liked the in-call argument gimmick, really fun video!
Just wanted to say the clash Royale content on the second channel has been absolutely amazing! Lol
Thanks dude! Actually think the second channel content is better than main channel atm
With Milhouse, your opponent might not be playing spells or have few or no spells in hand. It may also be that it doesn’t make sense for them to play the card at the time. You can also evolve into Milhouse, recruit or cheat him out in other ways.
Aviana’s main disadvantage is that she’s mid game and gives a huge advantage to your opponent as long as they have a minion. Aviana also has to survive this next turn. You don’t want someone to evolve or recruit Aviana because you already had to use a card to do this, so you don’t get the benefit. One of the only exceptions would be Y’sharj pulling her from your deck at start of turn and allowing you to cheat out something big. It’s very hard to get it to feel good to cheat her out, so I would call her worse.
Now you need to build a deck with the both Kings of the Hill and play a 100 matches with it.
I really liked that you brought the viewers in for this type of video, super fun!
I watched the live stream it was wild. If Rarran had included the man defending Temporus, well, let's just say that it would be a dark day for him.
I am absolutely loving the way these random people shit talk different cards
cant believe the temoporus interview got cut
Back in the days of Kobolds and Catacombs, I actually got close to legend playing a Call to Arms paladin deck with Dirty Rat and Millhouse. Turn 4 Call was so insane when you got those two because you get a big taunt to shut down aggro, and a beefy 4/4 to contend with other midrange threats. I even played Millhouse on turn 2 if I had it in hand, which admittedly lost me some games, but a surprising amount of the time, his battlecry actually didn't end up backfiring too horribly, so it was just a solid card.
There was a cooperative Tavern Brawl where Aviana was broken. By the end of the week everyone was playing this druid deck with her. I've never seen a first where Hireek was ever remotely good.
no way that you say at 5:30 that anomalus is better,I always remember evolving into anomalus as shaman and instantly losing my game
Temporus is worse because you have to play priest in order to use it
Anomalus should have been carried until Aviana, completely unplayable in mage because mage has pretty much no way to activate it as a board wipe and every RNG way to summon it meant you were pretty much guaranteed to nuke your own board.
Malorne was my first legendary and I desperately tried to make it work. No one wanted it to work more than me, and it didn't.
Honestly, I think Temporus was much worse. Giving your opponent a free minion is not even remotely as bad as giving them an entire extra turn.
I'm surprised nobody defended Malorne initially. It definitely saw play when it was released because mill druid was a deck that also played the 1 mana spell that gave a minion +1/+1 gain armor equal to its attack. That combo is a 8 mana 10/8 gain 10, don't lose to fatigue and that's a strong combo against control
After seeing Hemit, a card I forgot about. I think you should do a challenge of trying to win with a deck using ONLY Tech cards, if thats possible
If I remember right, malorne was in the classic set, right? (It has been quite a while) I remember it popping as just a reoccurring resource. Just a threat that you’d always (eventually) get back
And Boogeymonster saw play it battlegrounds, specifically, in battlegrounds where you are losing terribly and convince yourself that maybe it will pop off THIS time (it wouldn’t.)
Malorne is from gvg, same set with dr.boom
@@Rarran must be what I am thinking of. I remember druid basically tried to end games by ramping to the savage roar combo or just huge minions since most classes only had a handful of ways to deal with big threats.
Druid also was on the better end in terms of card draw so they didn't stall out as quickly and had a decent chance of playing it again if the opponent used their BGH on it. (God, I'm now remembering when BGH, ironbeak and acidic ooze were just common cards to include in a deck).
I don't remember what rank I played back then, so might have been he only showed up in wood league.
no one ever mentioned how boogie monster was tier 6 in battlegorunds season 1
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No way it was tier 6. I think tier 4-5?
@@impkiller5932 yes sorry, was tier 4 it seems
@@jonaswestman1245 originally t5 i remember then buffed to t4
I once played Milhouse as a meme and coined it out, never have I ever lost a game as fast.
Milhouse tended to make people panic back in the day - they'd use spells they shouldn't be using on a 4/4 just to not lose momentum. But it all depends on playing him on curve. It was actually pretty rare that you'd lose the game outright on turn four as they wouldn't have the capability to do it.
Playing Milhouse any time after turning four was suicidal though against most classes.
Aviana is 5 mana so you got 5 more mana to try to force your enemy to response. removing 7hp minion is not always easy. especialy in druid hoden behind taunt.
Also, ffs, Hir'eek at LEAST has the possibility of getting future support in Wild. The effect is goofy enough to MAYBE have a tier 4 come around and use it as a "hehe" Win Condition. Boogeymonster? Never in a million years.
I thought I'd found the video kinda mid but it was pretty good. Having short interactions/arguments from viewers and with montage making it a bit dynamic was nice.
The best argument for hir’eek vs aviana. Hir’eek might lose you the game, but aviana will make your opponent win the game.
That "human greed" guy had me going like WTF are you talking about
You know, I thought Aviana had this in the bag but uh...that comparison at 22:57. Aviana PROBABLY loses you the game. Temporus DEFINITELY loses you the game. At 7 mana, there is 0 chance you ever get the upside from Temporus.
Rarran I have a challenge for you. Since you genuinely seem to think that Temporus has an upside, I challenge you to make it work in one single game. Play games with Temporus in your deck until you can play it and benefit from the "upside". It's a priest legendary. A class that famously sacrifices tempo for answers.
@Rarran
18:38 When I discuss hearthstone with people, *A LOT OF TIMES,* people will come up with situations like this one, and say that I'm wrong, because I'm not counting with that... like WHEN DOES THAT EVER GOING TO HAPPEN?
is there a chance other rarity cards would have a king of the hill vid? (all doe common looks really tedious)
Temporus beats Aviana because you'd never play either, but Temporus triggers your "if you're holding a dragon" cards from hand
Madame Lazul is used in every Standard Priest deck ever right now as a tech to counter Handbuff Paladin.
is weird looking at this video after the update where some of these "trash" legendries got changed and buffed to ungodly extremes
It's so crazy to me that melorne beat krul... At least when you rng a melorne it's a 7m 9/7 with upside vs krul which is a 9m conditional summon 2 or 3 minions
Boogeymonster got too much hate. Its pretty bad sure but if you discover, summon, or evolve into him late game he was effective at denying your opponent a board.
What’s crazy about Boogeymonster is that even with rush it’s a pretty bad card. It’s like a bad version of a warrior card…. and missing instant board impact.
Close call with Val'anyr and Valanar, when all that separates the two is an apostrophe and a vowel ;p
I used malorne in a mill deck, as a way to have a threat the opponent had to deal with and thickening my deck. It was fun.
Technically for the boogey vs antonidas discussion:
With Antonidas, you wait 3 turns, then you do 6 damage to 3 random targets
With Boogey, you deal 6, 8 and 10 damage to targets of your choice
No. Antonidas has an effect on play. You don't play it on board and wait 3 turns. You just play cards in your deck you'd be playing anyway to set it up. Boogeymonster was literally spend 8 mana do nothing.
@@chipchippahson My point being: boogie is an 8 mana do nothing, and then deal progressively more damage over 3 turns
Antonidas is spend 3 turns playing potentially unoptimaly, and then yeet 3 random fireballs
Antonidas has a more immediate effect but it's lesser, and requires more setup
Great video! The best you've done in a minute :))
Would have loved if you made a deck around the worst card and tried to win a game
The beauty, nay, serendipity, of don IMMEDIATELY proving that hirrek is better than boogey, was a thing of beauty.
Along time ago malorne was played , cuz the dominant deck was warrior fatigue and malorne kinda play around the fatigue
I wish there was more hate for Genzo. Dude was an "aggro deck" legendary Jeeves which couldn't trigger unless he got to attack. Also props to those saying Hireek was fun, because I've seen Hireek played, regardless of if it was good or not, but I can't remember seening an opponent even play Boogeymonster.
Hir'eek works with hand buffs
hireek has jank potential unlike the boogeymonster
If they come out with more hand buffs for Warlock, Hir'eek can be a fringe card in a bad deck where Boogiemonster will literally never have a home.
19:18 percentage for Aviana. Nice.
Boogiemonster actually did see some play and it was a good addition to your Tirion warband on BGs...
"Duskfallen ANIVIA is the worst card because if you put HIM in your deck that's one less spot for Guff" broke my fucking brain.
Loved this vid just because of how pumped I got with the random matchups I’d just go OHHHHHHHHHH when aviana came up against hireek
I called it. That Duskfallen Aviana is the worst card. Even than Moorabi. Because rn, with the current frost package that Shaman got during Alterac Valley set, he suddenly become much, MUCH better than the getting worse and worse Dusk Aviana. Btw nice video as always, Rarren.
new rarran video be like; "Winning with the worst legendary in hearthstone!"
I've not seen the video yet but you just have to click left untill Duskfallen Aviana appears, then click right the rest.
the fact that krul didn't even see play when renolock was meta is very telling