The biggest difference is ability to survive connection problems and x2go is easier to install than xpra (if the lather is not in the repository, it's more troublesome to build from source, every time I had to do it).
I'm using an old MacMini with Mint which runs really hot and limited RAM, I could offload Darktable for photo editing to an old tower with no display in my loft and other stuff. So many other interesting possibilities!
I'm just starting out on linux and I'm so happy to have found your channel!! Thanks for the info! Got 4 raspberry pi's back home and just got the pinebook pro yesterday!!
There is another way. You can connect Raspberry Pi 4 to the secondary monitor/TV and share your Pinebook Pro's keyboard and mouse using Barrier, then you can play videos on Raspberry Pi and control it remotely from PBP. VLC is particularly useful, because it can be controlled remotely with its web interface. The instructions are a bit complicated, but these are the same like for controlling VLC with e.g. an android app (I think, it's called 'Mobile Remote VLC' or something like that), but the web browser will do just fine.
The first one is interesting, way better than VNC. For the second one, I suggest people not install mosh on 2 devices. Just install abduco (a session manager) and dvtm (terminal multiplexer) on the Pi itself and you've got a session always there. If you lose connection, just ssh back to the Pi and re-attach abduco and everything you had will still be there. It's a simpler way. Sure, you don't get stats, like how long you've been left and stuff and you have to re-establish connection manually, but I like simpler software.
The Pinebook Pro is really the type of machine the Linux space needs, with the potential to be a mainstream consumer product. (Especially with the low price of entry.)
As usual, you've knocked this video out of the park. Excellent info. I have both the Raspberry Pi, model 3B+ 1GB and the Raspberry Pi, model 4 4GB, so I will look at using the 2nd SBC as a working platform on which I can use MOSH to maintain my daily workflow so things don't get dropped. I've heard of MOSH, but just hadn't taken the time to really look into it. Now that you have premiered it for me, I see that it is an excellent application to use. My Acer Aspire laptop running Ubuntu 20.04 LTS has 12 GB of RAM and my Desktop MainPC running FerenOS has 16 GB of RAM, so can't really take advantage of the x2goserver. However, that is a good thing to keep in mind as well. Thank you, again, for your bang up effort.
Pinebook Pro videos...always nice! :) What reasons speak for using a Rasp Pi for this and not any other, maybe more powerful, computer in the network? And is the ram really such a big constraint? I am using a 4 year old i5 laptop for work with only 4GB RAM and the bigger limitation of the computer is the processor and maybe the lack of a dedicated gpu. So e.g. during a video conference, which happens so often these days, the cpu is on a very high load and the RAM maybe reaches 2GB.
I think the Pinebook Pro & Raspi combination is a great use case for demonstrating x2go & mosh. FOSS on ARM ftw! Maybe the title could be a little more generalized to reach a greater audience. The things you explained can be applied to an ultra book / high-end server combination as well. I use exactly that to forward Minecraft to my RasPi connected to my PC. With the current title, I might not have found that video, if I was explicitly searching for x2go or mosh.
I've been using standard xserver desktop redirection 25 years ago, and ssh x-tunnel (more secure :) ) 20 years ago - whats better with x2go, except special applications and RDP (which Ms version of RDP?) support ?
About how much RAM and CPU usage do you get from running x2go on the Pinebook Pro? I don't expect the answer to be especially high, but I would like to know the specifics to know what kind of low-spec hardware I could get away with running more resource-hungry programs on.
I'm not normally a fan of stickers on computers. A Star Trek Tux may need to happen though. I'm considering this computer as an option for JavaScript development. Thanks for the great series on videos. It's helping me too make an informed decision. I think it will work quite well.
On arch/manjaro you should never run pacman -Syy and install a software.. it can be a "partial update" always -Syyu or just -Syu to actually update before installing. You did -Syyy maybe it was a mistake i don't know
use an m.2 nvme drive and swap there (it's quiteeee fast compared to the 1 pci lane of the potato4 ), problem solved. throw your potato 4 throw the window. also, give that pinebook pro to someone that knows what an rk3399 and a rpi4 is, one is a pc the other is a toy.
Pinebook is weak even for Linux oOS not ready at all ,underpowered in any spec. Maybe in next 2 generation pinebook will be ready to use Linux, for now too many issue with this piece of tech.
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When I go to varsity for software engineering, I'll recommend this channel to my friends!
Learned a lot again. Awesome. Tip: describe in one of your next videos what is the biggest difference between 'x2go' and 'X forwarding with ssh'.
The biggest difference is ability to survive connection problems and x2go is easier to install than xpra (if the lather is not in the repository, it's more troublesome to build from source, every time I had to do it).
I'm using an old MacMini with Mint which runs really hot and limited RAM, I could offload Darktable for photo editing to an old tower with no display in my loft and other stuff. So many other interesting possibilities!
The ARM-based Pinebook and any ARM SoC device ... the perfect combination. ARM is the future.
I'm just starting out on linux and I'm so happy to have found your channel!! Thanks for the info!
Got 4 raspberry pi's back home and just got the pinebook pro yesterday!!
There is another way. You can connect Raspberry Pi 4 to the secondary monitor/TV and share your Pinebook Pro's keyboard and mouse using Barrier, then you can play videos on Raspberry Pi and control it remotely from PBP. VLC is particularly useful, because it can be controlled remotely with its web interface. The instructions are a bit complicated, but these are the same like for controlling VLC with e.g. an android app (I think, it's called 'Mobile Remote VLC' or something like that), but the web browser will do just fine.
The first one is interesting, way better than VNC. For the second one, I suggest people not install mosh on 2 devices. Just install abduco (a session manager) and dvtm (terminal multiplexer) on the Pi itself and you've got a session always there. If you lose connection, just ssh back to the Pi and re-attach abduco and everything you had will still be there. It's a simpler way. Sure, you don't get stats, like how long you've been left and stuff and you have to re-establish connection manually, but I like simpler software.
The Pinebook Pro is really the type of machine the Linux space needs, with the potential to be a mainstream consumer product. (Especially with the low price of entry.)
Good chromebook alternative
Great ideas!!!! Thanks for that!
Now my Raspberry Pi is taking the load of my old mac.:)
As usual, you've knocked this video out of the park. Excellent info. I have both the Raspberry Pi, model 3B+ 1GB and the Raspberry Pi, model 4 4GB, so I will look at using the 2nd SBC as a working platform on which I can use MOSH to maintain my daily workflow so things don't get dropped. I've heard of MOSH, but just hadn't taken the time to really look into it. Now that you have premiered it for me, I see that it is an excellent application to use. My Acer Aspire laptop running Ubuntu 20.04 LTS has 12 GB of RAM and my Desktop MainPC running FerenOS has 16 GB of RAM, so can't really take advantage of the x2goserver. However, that is a good thing to keep in mind as well. Thank you, again, for your bang up effort.
Pinebook Pro videos...always nice! :)
What reasons speak for using a Rasp Pi for this and not any other, maybe more powerful, computer in the network?
And is the ram really such a big constraint? I am using a 4 year old i5 laptop for work with only 4GB RAM and the bigger limitation of the computer is the processor and maybe the lack of a dedicated gpu. So e.g. during a video conference, which happens so often these days, the cpu is on a very high load and the RAM maybe reaches 2GB.
Well but with windows 10 you have to use 6 gb at minimum for comfort use
I think the Pinebook Pro & Raspi combination is a great use case for demonstrating x2go & mosh. FOSS on ARM ftw! Maybe the title could be a little more generalized to reach a greater audience. The things you explained can be applied to an ultra book / high-end server combination as well. I use exactly that to forward Minecraft to my RasPi connected to my PC. With the current title, I might not have found that video, if I was explicitly searching for x2go or mosh.
rk3399 is FOSS friendly. rpi4 is not. threadX .
Actually this video deserves more likes.. We don't get pine book pro in India, also r pi models sold are over priced, low spec and older models
I've been using standard xserver desktop redirection 25 years ago, and ssh x-tunnel (more secure :) ) 20 years ago - whats better with x2go, except special applications and RDP (which Ms version of RDP?) support ?
This is basically Remote desktop. I do this all the time on my chromebook.
About how much RAM and CPU usage do you get from running x2go on the Pinebook Pro? I don't expect the answer to be especially high, but I would like to know the specifics to know what kind of low-spec hardware I could get away with running more resource-hungry programs on.
Very interesting!
Gave me idea of setting a powerful server with a lot of weak clients! :)
thin clients is more appropriate ;-)
I have an 8gb Pi, and my gaming laptop is dying
I need a stop gap device to do basic programing, and whatnot
Might do something like this
Good sir you have earned my subscription.
I'm not normally a fan of stickers on computers. A Star Trek Tux may need to happen though. I'm considering this computer as an option for JavaScript development. Thanks for the great series on videos. It's helping me too make an informed decision. I think it will work quite well.
Can the Pinebook Pro ram be upgraded?
My question as well. If so, that would be an easier option.
So, if I have a home x86 server, I can do pretty much everything with this ARM laptop :)
Thank you, Jay.
imagine if any laptop would have multiple compute modules to install multiple rpis. Running x2go, kubernetes, docker swarm.
I missed the part where you explain how mosh is better than screen.
Noob question where do you put the pi?also what is a terminal?
Huge problem with the PINEBOOK PRO is the lack of RAM. Why they don’t offer an 8GB and 16GB models is beyond me
why use mosh when you could just use tmux or screen on the Pi ssh session ?
I guess mosh is ssh with screen/tmux.
left audio channel has ugly high pitch noise (did you record on the Pinebook? :P), excellent video otherwise
is it just me or what?
when playing this video, i hear like a sharp beep, but only while you are talking.
maybe its your mic?
it's just you, baller. I don't hear anything with headphones on.
I hear it. Ur not crazy lol.
Me too
I definitely hear it and it's incredibly annoying...
On arch/manjaro you should never run pacman -Syy and install a software.. it can be a "partial update" always -Syyu or just -Syu to actually update before installing.
You did -Syyy maybe it was a mistake i don't know
amazing
use an m.2 nvme drive and swap there (it's quiteeee fast compared to the 1 pci lane of the potato4 ), problem solved. throw your potato 4 throw the window. also, give that pinebook pro to someone that knows what an rk3399 and a rpi4 is, one is a pc the other is a toy.
Next video: how to replace the PBP mainboard with a RPi4
Umm.... I would just put a different board in the laptop, assuming something else would fit.
Pinebook is weak even for Linux oOS not ready at all ,underpowered in any spec. Maybe in next 2 generation pinebook will be ready to use Linux, for now too many issue with this piece of tech.
Sad thing is mostly due to lack of software support. The GPU is stronger than the PI's.