How China Destroyed Me...
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Cultures different from your own will cause you to see life in a different way. However, coming from a background that promotes selflessness, generosity, charity, and general morality, China can change you. Many ways for good, many ways, for bad. Here's how China changed me, and how I'm now detoxing from this experience.
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Thank you for bringing this back up.
If they'll kill 100 million in peacetime, and put 3 million innocent people in organ harvesting concentration camps, they probably aren't moral. Not a lot of nuance there. The communist party needs to be destroyed.
i kinda not get it. you and serp know chinese, you could easily have moved and lived in hong kong or taiwan. or learnt japanese and lived in chinese. but you still chose to live in the one country who literally hated you and who literally has all these problems. its like a moment 22. anyway im happy you both are out of there
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'lacking not all'? Maybe a comma, 'lacking, not all'? (Just going for the transliteration, I saw that it overall means 'half-assed').
@Benaiah Ahmadinejad are you sure he deleted it? Comments get auto deleted. If you post the following as a single comment it gets deleted by youtube "uighur muslim -
As a ten-year veteran myself, I can vouch for what he’s saying (about the lack of moral centre). However, there are many Chinese people there who DO have a moral centre - I’ve seen it, I know such people. And, for them, life is harder than for us foreigners. Ultimately, we can leave. They can’t. So, spare a thought for them.
@@Ziccc121 Your infrastructure crumbles under earthquakes to reveal below standard construction methods, or in plain english, China's schools fell and killed their children because they cut corners on saftey. We don't do that in the west.
@@Ziccc121 Thank you for your comments! Much appreciated! You aren't being defensive, either! You sound sincere and friendly, someone one can talk to!
As in regards to 'fake news', you need to be more careful when you use such a designation, especially when it comes to BBC and CNN! These are Major Media orgs, with good historical reputation for accuracy! They are held to high standards!
A certain bias is expected, and most of us know which Media station is most likely to show which political bias!
The beauty of living in a Democracy and have a Freedom of Speech is that we can watch or read both, or more, sides of views on issues! We can do our own Research on the Worldwide Internet!
Sadly, there are Fake Media publications, but BBC and CNN are not it!
There is some Govt propaganda in the West, also, just not nearly on the level of the Mainland China or Russia!
I do know that the Russian citizens are critical thinkers and they expect their Government to lie or screw them over, which it does regularly! Corruption is deep there, also!
Yet, Russia has Worldwide Internet, and people can check things out! It annoys Putin to no end, and he is a proponent of cutting his citizens off the Worldwide Internet, such as is done in China! He knows, though, that people would take to the streets if he tried!
I don't know how Chinese people view their Govt, how much trust they have! It's a very corrupt Govt, though, also! And with lack of Worldwide Internet and lack of Independent Media, the Chinese Citizens are sitting ducks to the Govt propaganda, disinformation and misinformation, etc!
Also, any journalist or lawyer in China that uncovers official corruption or certain issues, publically, is likely to be punished, even imprisoned! No such danger in the West!
As well that such steep Govt corruption actively robs the people of China! Instead of helping rural people, and other disadvantaged citizens, creating jobs, starting organizations to help them, etc etc, the large amount of money goes into the officials' pockets and banks!
Just as Putin and his people have seriously robbed the Russian people and own country's coffers!
@@whoami2179 Same as a mainlander, draw.
是的水深火热的我等待你的解救
@Jon Pain wtf does mouth-dead mean. lmao. u mad bro
I lived and worked in China 2006-10 and had two experiences that shook me. One was a lady street trader who was having an epileptic fit on the street. She had already bitten her tongue but people just stood around watching. I tried to help but they held me back. The other was a lady who was knocked off her e-bike by a truck turning right across her path. She was not seriously injured but she was in shock and the bike was crushed. Once again, I was the only one who went out to help her off the road to sit on the curb while many local people stood and watched. I believe that this is a cultural issue stemming from the Cultural Revolution and it is going to take a long time get back to the pre-revolution norms that have remained in Taiwan.
when you said that “held me back”i know u‘ve never been China😂😂😂😂
@@yuanjiaqi4154 For a professional troll your comments are horrendous and quite retarded.
Amen, brother! I spent 19 years living and working in China. And my Chinese wife and her family were just like that. It sometimes made me feel hopeless for the prospect of ever truly bonding with them. Later, I just felt morally suffocated the longer we stayed with them. Almost a physical sensation...
What was it like moving out of China after 19 years?
@@beachlemon4845 oddly, it was easy for me. I think I was more relieved to be back home in the US than I expected to be. I didn't miss China as much as I expected to, and I very quickly fell in love with my new city and never want to leave it now. I wish China was still like it was the nearly 20 years I was there - then I would happily visit regularly. But now that Winnie the Pooh has led the CCP backwards, I don't ever want to go back.
The destruction of a country's economy is very fast. As a Chinese, envy your choice. Leave this emperor's country
In Taipei, TAIWAN, we were taking the subway to the airport. The escalators at the station closest to our hotel were not working. As I started to heft our suitcases down the stairs an elderly man coming up told us that a block away was another entrance with an elevator. We thanked him and started to roll our 5 suitcases down the street when suddenly he came back and grabbed my kids roller and one of my wife's suitcases and walked with us to the station, totally out of his way. He made sure we got on the elevator before he went on his way.
Are you white? Maybe he only forced himself to do something he wouldn't ordinarily do because he was worried about other people giving a bad name to his country. Maybe he wouldn't have done it if you were the same skin color as him, because he wouldn't be worried about others outside his country developing negative stereotypes about his people, and thus voting against immigration, trade deals, deciding not to visit his country (because tourism is a benefit to the economy).
@@moondog7694 I'm an ABC, my wife is a mainlander from Guangzhou.
@@moondog7694 You definitely haven't been to Taiwan before if that's how you think. People in Taiwan are generally pretty kind and friendly to people, and the kind of story SFPhilo told happens every day here. Just come here some time and you'll find out.
Stop being hypocritic. Don't relate everything to "China has a bad system", so people behave bad and differently there. That is totally bullshit. In most western metropolis, when people run into you on the street, they will keep walking without saying sorry, rude as fck. As to the apathy he talks about in the video indeed exists, but mostly in some of the less developed areas in China. However, why doesn't he talk about the countless cases when Chinese people help each other in similar situations? Because he talks with prejudice, his intention is to make China look bad. So he can only see the negative part of China. And very likely this is what he makes a living right now. Again, people seem to always enjoy talking about people in a specific country as they are all the same. Bad guys are evenly distributed in every country. If you get lost in China, most people will kindly help you get to where you want to go. All this channel makes me feel is condescending, prejudice, hypocrisy, disrespect and PTSD, which makes me really sick.
@@jasony486 you clearly haven't been in most of the western metropolis because not ''most'' of the people there arent rude or you probably haven't been paying attention or even caring about how diferent cultures work, if your only experienced bad things then sorry for you but that's not how things work. Also Laowhy has plenty of videos showing good, interesting, beautiful things about china, are you nationalist? do you love your country and president xijinping? deep in your heart?
You can't deny how a lot of places in china can be shitholes why don't you get out of your keyboard and go explore your motherland to see everything good, beautiful and bad and ugly so you can come again to your keyboard and shut people's mouths if you like
Any society that lacks compassion will ultimately lack morality...compassion is a cornerstone
@ZionHillCalling If you don't like america get the fuck out there is plenty of space in communist China where you have no rights so be grateful.
H W thank you for saying that. 🙂 I can tell that I’d have a very hard time over there. Quickly.
The odd thing is how compassion is one of the cornerstones of Confucianism.
Chiming in late here, but from what I understand Russians are quite compassionate so it's not necessarily socialism that promotes this kind of behaviour.
@@Steror Today's Russians are, the USSR populace couldn't afford to be compassionate, however.
Jesus. This story explained an issue I had in the past.
I'm American, white, from Cleveland Ohio. Met an Ecuadorian girl in college and we started dating. I speak fluent Spanish so no translation issues. I went to Ecuador. Always had a great time with her family.... until the wealthy cousins from Hong Kong came. We were all at dinner and they were so horrendous to the waiter that I almost got into a verbal argument with them over it. They sent their food back for no reason, complained to the waiter and when they got their food they did not say thank you. I purposefully yelled thank you to the waiter in front of everyone because their behavior was intolerable to me. This was a 20 something person dinner and I got backlash from my now ex gf because I was in the wrong in her mind.
But no. I'm American. All people are divine in nature in my beliefs and I will never give that up. I am almost never angry but this infuriated me. They humiliated this waiter and I was not going to allow them to do that without my retaliation.
No blasphemy please
I can relate to every word of this. I left China less than a month ago, after 5 and a half miserable years, and I never realized just how that country had changed me (and not a bit for the better) until I started, let's say "China detoxing."
@Hayley Rule my gf is Chinese, I'm still trapped here and you would be surprised if you heard all I have to say haha, but not yet, I'm still here...
I feel the same. I was there for 6 months before the virus and I feel that changed me, not for the best.
@Simon Chase Hahaha, are you high?
Just a random question: If you were unhappy in China, why did you have to stay 5 years? Why did you leave your home in the first place? I spent 3 years in China and it was okay.
As for why I stayed 5 years (7 actually, but the last consecutive stint was 5), it was an act of charity. I possess a vital job skill that the Chinese not only do not domestically possess but cannot domestically produce, and I was rendering this skill to a poor, underdeveloped throwback country.
I also love how your best rebuttal includes an admission that you have less experience with the subject you're arguing about, than the guy you're arguing with.
During your three years in this "okay" country, how much of the language did you learn? Or, to put it another way, how well do you really understand what the locals are saying when they think you're not listening?
How much of their literature have you read? How much of their philosophy? How much of their government-sanctioned "patriotic education" dogma have you read?
I'm asking rhetorically. The answer to every question is "well, not as much as you did, Rob."
If you think China was "okay," you weren't paying attention. And spare me the "your information is out of date" garbage, because my last stint there didn't end until the Covid outbreak.
I have been living in China now for three months and have struggled with this too. I'm glad I'm not alone in feeling this way as I was starting to think I was so thank you for this video.
Stay safe
I'd be too paranoid to post that comment if I lived there.
Your comment has hurt the feelings of the Chinese!
Dont ruins ur live at youtube like laowhy86 and esperantZa did
@朱文琪 You have hurt the feelings the chinese people!
I'm joking 😉
Not understanding nuances has never hindered Mainland Chinese from having condescending opinions about everyone else's culture...
xiongmu1 exactly!
I was typing almost the same thing until I saw that you already have.
Oh yeah, absolutely
It’s like they don’t have the intellect to relize how fucking retard their own culture can be
I thought the same thing. Don't give in to their bullshit ideologies. The way they might claim others are racist for criticizing their awful behaviour and how nobody isn't Chinese isn't allowed to have an opinion on China / Chinese politics is just learned talking points. Gotta love when they call themselves minorities when you're telling a story about being European / Western staying in their country with 1,3 billion Chinese.
I would guess the root cause of those behavior is coming from Cultural Revolution which lasts 10 years
That is real rough and destroys all morals and old Chinese Culture and religion. Taiwan Viewer
@Oliver Von arx What he/she says is true. The cultural revolution isn't a regular harsh time. It's an intentionally created disaster to brainwash and destroy people both spiritually and morally.
If you don't know about that history, please check it out before denying its damage on morality. Regular hard time might tie people together, but this is different.
I think these communism political movements really crushed the trust between people. You couldn't trust your family and friends because you wouldn't know if they were going to report you to the party for a tiny little thing you've said offhandedly. There were parents persecuted to death, reported by their own children. Some of the children cheered for the persecutors because they were brainwashed to believe that they were doing the most rightful thing in the world, and that they were being selfless, willing to report their own parents.
It's a sickness still haunting Chinese people to these days. Crazy kids grew up to be parents and raised traumatized kids. Traumatized kids grew up to be parents and raised broken kids. It takes generations to suck out the toxicity little by little, and even if they success, they would be a people with no culture of their own. It's been uprooted completely.
@Oliver Von arx You're being naive. People don't naturally and collectively be "compassionate and empathetic", it's a cultural trait you have to foster, of which China doesn't care about and really, never did.
The irony of the Cultural Revolution, despite it originally being a Communist policy, is that it has helped create one of the most ruthless Capitalistic cultures in human history.
Nope. They were like this before the CR
The spitting in restaurants is too much for me. I've left places and had people shout at me over it.
Cool story bro. You're cool. You can change the country!
It’s called “Bystander Effect”. Basically for us in the west when we see someone in distress we automatically try to help that person. In China the mentality is “its not someone I know so why should I care” or “its not my business, so I don’t want to bother with it, let someone else deal with it”. It’s society wide apathy syndrome. Remember the case of Yueyue, the 2 year old girl who got hit by a car twice in a row because nobody bothered to help her out until she perished. In an interview with the driver, he basically said if she died, he would only pay 20,000 yuan in penalties, if she lived and is crippled he had to pay 100,000 yuan. It’s a heartless society devoid of compassion. And I agree, Taiwan is completely different, people actually care. Traditional Chinese values are intact in Taiwan while in China it is decimated and replace with extreme materialism.
Cha bu dou
The difference between Canada and the US is stark. Canada has a good samaritan law. The US does not. You can not get sued for trying to help even if it leads to death in Canada. In Canada if you do not help you can be held responsible. In the US you can be held responsible for helping and worse if you are a doctor.
@@Mr.Unacceptable Colorado has a good Samaritan law, so you are wrong about the US.
@@Mr.Unacceptable first, yes the US does have good samaritan laws, but second, you are right, it does not protect professionals against malpractices. If you are trying to help, and you really don't know what you are doing, and you screw up, you are protected, but if you are a professional, and you do know what you are doing, and still screw up, you are liable. The difference the States have over Canada is that they don't HAVE to give aid. The US is a fairly free country, while Canada is going authoritarian in many aspects. People in the US help because they think it is the right thing to do, and outside of the big cities, they more often than not do, but in large metropolitan areas, many choose to look the other way. Try to find witnesses to a traffic accident in LA or NY, and you can be surrounded by hundreds of folks who saw nothing, but in some rural town, you will don't have to ask for witnesses, they come up to you.
It goes with the western mindset of DO unto others as you would them do unto you vs the eastern mindset of NOT doing unto others as you wouldn't want them to do to you. One is proactive while the other is defensive. I don't want you killing my animals, so wont kill yours, as opposed I would like you to return my animals when they stray from my property, so I will return yours. This isn't about good and bad or right and wrong, it is purely about perspective.
I'm Half Chinese and Half Filipino, I'm so frustrated and shocked with the apathy of my Chinese relative side, everything done is for the betterment of either your immediate family or yourself.
I used to share an apartment with a half Vietnamese half Chinese. (I'm fully Chinese). And he's told me he rejected his Chinese side. He explained to me why. The greed for money and all disgusted him. I didn't understand him because my family isn't like that, or at least I haven't seen it.
But now, with all that has come out of China because of the virus, I also have to reject my Chinese heritage.
Huh I could've did the same for the Filipino side
@@Bulacanos then you know the wrong Pinoys. Probably bloody city folk from the rich mestizo or full on Spanish oligarch families. I've seen those with nothing give of themselves to help those worse off than them. With no expectation of reward or recognition
barredoc you re an idiot
@@jonson856 I am also half Vietnamese half Chinese. I feel the same way and I used to live in China for 2 years. Now every day I see how the government and group of Chinese people are reacting about things around, I feel more disgusting.
"Cultural differences" can never be a valid excuse for bad behaviour, though it definitely can serve as an explanation.
You are assuming that ,,bad behavior" is a universal. That's a cultural assumtion. Christian at it's core.
@@baszar24 Eh no I'm speaking in broad terms in the sense that everyone have a different idea of what is bad behaviour.
My point is that if you accept something you otherwise would be judgemental of for no other reason than "cultural differences" and without any further thoughts into why, then that is disingenuous.
@@Nimroc The possition you stated is also a cultural thing. Other cultures would not consider it disingenus. Folowing the assumption that there are many truths for many people. You assume that moral truths are universal and that you can judge others on that basis.
@@baszar24 You are the one assuming I consider morality universal, which I don't.
@@Nimroc Read your first post again.
You don't even have to actually be in China to see this. I lived in a student residency during my first year of college and it was like 50% chinese people. They are SUPER rude. The door stuff is totally true. So little but it says so much about their culture. It really gets on your nerves. People actually hold the door for them. No thank you or even a word. They see people do this for them, this is the culture in the west, if you live here you should adapt. But nope. A year living in there, chinese people never held the door for anyone until they left.
And they are so fucking awkward too. I mean you would think they are shy or something at first, but no, it's like their culture raises them to be assholes.
This is why I can't understand to a maddening degree how communism is a thing there. It doesn't take a genius to see that any form of socialism will not work if everyone is so selfish. It completely baffles me.
@@user-gs1hb1lr4p Shut the fuck up. As if Chinese would ever accept someone not following their cultural norms while staying in China.
@@user-gs1hb1lr4p china hella racist
A confident society is better than a shy one,but agree.
@@user-gs1hb1lr4p What did you buy with your 50 cents? The OP was talking about arrogant Chinese in a foreign country. THEY are the foreigners.
@@user-gs1hb1lr4p fuck off wumao
A bit late...
The video of the kid drowning, with all theses adults around, and not one looked/thought/saw to help him.
That crushed me.
As a Chinese, I have to admit that you are actually telling the truth, and I can’t believe you see things about China more clearly than Chinese do. You must have gone through a lot in China.
Sometimes it takes an outsider's perspective to see what's wrong, because they have a totally different way of seeing things.
@@KarlSnarks thats true. Its always true in love relationships. If your partner complains alot on one thing, you might want to look at that.
@Ksch Koff If I am to assume that you are talking about me, I’d say that it’s because I have been to worst manipulation of my own people’s government and I find your country and culture way too far from where I have been obligated to be good, nice, and appreciative of my superiors. But, in your side of the world, I don’t feel obligated to be good, nice and appreciative for my own political reasons &/or obtain survival favors as what I practiced from where I came from. Just my own viewpoints.
@Ksch Koff He’s probably talking about the opposite of those Chinese that you’ve known which most of CCPs are comprised of. Here in my homeland if they aren’t what Eddie refers to, we don’t consider them as Chinese anymore. Although they still has the sentiments to trace back on their roots, but I consider those sensitivities to their sentiments faulty because they have the tendency to innocently look back into their own kind without due discretion. But, would’ve put their own bloodline above everyone’s sake.
@Ksch Koff The one picture of Chinese that most people are referring to are the ones that represents them as a whole. The ones in their government and their families are still the most influential ones. These guys puts pride loving their own because they are the ones who are in power. They act entitled and privileged. They are normally boastful and doesn’t show compassion. They also have faulty logic when it comes to the question of what is right and wrong. Anyone who doesn’t belong there don’t share the spotlight. However, there are also those who have a fair share of life’s problems and difficulties that have made it through and eventually becomes successful. Most of them have got it made outside of China. They normally don’t brag of being Chinese but shows love and respect for their heritage. However, they have the tendency to still bow down to the arrogance of their former bullies. I am not sure if you would get the picture but that’s the best that I can explain that.
Almost no one says "please" or "thank you" in China. Just the opposite of Japan, where people are almost too polite.
You don't know enough about china. Try to live there for a while
@@luozk12345 I lived in Japan for more than a decade, and I have travelled to China many times. I like both places a lot. I was merely pointing out that the great POLITENESS of Japan is worth emulating.
Not reminiscent of japan, it's reminiscent of the effects on personal incentives from capitalism
Bob BarkerIII Ok but this is now completely different. They don‘t say thank you very kuch for example but they have different forms of showing respect like calling women who are yourbprents age „auntie“ or adding someones titel such as teacher or doctor to their name when adressing them or calling a taxi driver „master“ etc which you wouldn‘t find in wester cultures. Sonyeah I say this is really just a cultural difference in what is actually considered polite or unpolite
@@JustLIkerapunzel Point taken. Respect comes in many forms. I was referring to respect for strangers in the public domain. I just wish shop owners, their customers, waiters and their customers, etc., showed a little more politesse.
They say how you treat animals is an indicator for the empathy of a society. In this case, it's how you treat people.
Thomas Aquinas “The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.”
― Mahatma Gandhi
they obviously don’t give af about animals. they kill thousands of sharks of year just for their fins which they believe “makes your libido better” like come on and the same goes for rhino horns for them
They treat animals even worse lol
That's the same feeling when I came back to Mainland after 4 years living in New York. I felt so lonely and so different. After another 4 years living back in China, I changed a lot. U r right, you are not awarded when you doing something right. China is a place that boost your income and life quality but also a place numb your soul.
@YuriVII You mean the Samaritan's Purse field hospital in Central Park in New York City?
@YuriVII - Funny but I find it quite the opposite - I'm always amazed by how polite, friendly and helpful Americans are - even in a big city like New York.
I tried my absolute best to understand Chinese culture whilst living there. However, everything you've highlighted in this video really got to me and I made the decision to leave last year. One situation really stood out to me. When I arrived, I tutored a teenage boy who was planning to attend university in the UK the following year. His mother took me under her wing & would often invite me to dinner at their home. I'll never forget the time (one and only time) we went out to eat together. The waitress came over (and I was so excited to use my mandarin to order our food ). After we placed our order, I was attacked by my student's mother and her best friend for engaging the waitress and essentially being friendly, nothing more. This simple action of basically just being a nice human towards a great waitress was so severely frowned upon. There were so many incidents like those you have described, but this most basic action caused my host family to lose face and caused me a lot of embarrassment! Definitely felt like I'd landed on an alien planet at that point.
Haha, if your student and his mother ever visit you in whatever Western country you're from, be sure to take THEM out to dinner so that the waitstaff can serve them food deliberately contaminated with feces and semen for behaving like that. If the level of disrespect shown to them in China is really as extreme as you and the fellow in the video say, I've got to wonder how often they bring such acts of revenge upon themselves even in China?
@@gregs.2679 Why not just try and have a debate about WHY this happens. Stop getting defensive, it makes you seem childish. This is simply a cultural exchange based on shared experiences in China. There were lots of elements I enjoyed about China, but some that aren't great. Plus, for change to happen, honest conversations need to happen too. Your attitude of "Oh but also in the west..." Your comment about people in the west contaminating food is possibly true, but we usually cringe because the place is run by creeps and usually avoided. It isn't a cultural thing (like we are discussing here), it's an asshole thing! My point is, if we knew about it, we would call it out. I certainly wouldn't go on a thread and try and defend them. Do you get where I'm going with this...
@@gemmas89 My point isn't that it happens in the West too. My point is that the waitstaff in a lot of Western establishments would put those dirty Communists in their place if they were to behave like that over here. In establishments where the management have made it clear that they don't want their employees to feel like they have to put up with such awful conduct, these jerks would simply be kicked out. In establishments where the staff aren't sure whether the managers would stand behind them under such circumstances, however, and that's probably most establishments, the staff would go ahead and serve them all right, but they might serve them something that would serve them right! :-)
Mate this is messed up. I slogged my arse off when I was younger working in hospitality. This type of coldness to anyone just essentially doing their job (esp a boring and trying job) as best they can is just inhumane in my opinion. Doing those jobs taught me to try and be kind when I can esp when I don't have to be - I.e there's no 'reward' or pressure to do so.
I see lots of spitting and littering. But i didn't see such thing. It is not usual.
I feel like you touched on something I couldn't quite put into words myself. Living here and being aware of the atrocities that have occurred and are occuring under the rule of the CCP is surreal because my close Chinese friends do not seem to care or educate themselves on the issue. "What will happen if I know more? What will change?" is their response. I think your comments on needing incentive relate to this thought process very much. Another friend of mine has stated that she is proud that China is growing in power, despite the unorthodox and unethical methods by which they achieve them. It truly is a totally different mindset because general regard for human life is not as apparent in China as it is in other parts of the world. Great video - thanks for the insight
as a chinese person theres a lot of hidden animosoty and many cannot open their mouths towards others they dont trust. The most nationalistic ones are the loudest, the others must be meek. so it may seem completely one way to foreigners while it can be a mixed bag
Same with many Russiansrr. Though not as many affected, because after Stalin the amount of brainwashing wasn’t as through as in China.
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Something else I've noticed about Chinese culture under the CCP- the ends justify the means. Always, in every situation, no matter what the means and methods are, or who they hurt. Many times, these plans are quite short-sighted and doomed to fail at their very purpose, ie: tofu buildings.
When I was living in China I also experienced the same "dead person on the road" situation. The peoples reaction to it is pretty confronting.
趙雷 it’s terrifying.
have you really seen it? where in china were you. causee my family is from Shanghai and I've never seen something happen like that in my life.
Jesus why are so many people ending up dead on the road?!
@@amazingsupergirl7125 horrible drivers, they didn't have a car culture like the USA. Most people didn't start driving till money came into China in the 90s
11:05 "Because good behavior is just inherently not rewarded in China"
As a woman walks by with her kid on a leash haha.
Hey now my mother put me on a leash and there was a very good reason for it I suppose I had no fear whatsoever as a kid about getting lost if I got lost I went whatever so my mother had to put me on a leash it's rather funny
Oh god, I didn't realize that. Wtf is going on in there?
What the
When a government treats its people like children that need to do as they're told and have no responsibility, people eventually start acting like children with no responsibility.
Hali Well said, really true.
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They treat their citizens like children except for the brutal population control thingy.
@Hardy Harhar That's the plan...
So true.
It is cultural, my father taught in Korea in 1950, he had a lot contact with Chinese. And North Koreans and could not believe how they used women an children as literal bombs. Don't let them drag you into their immorality.
and the japanese.
TheCoolCarhd the Japanese have changed today, they are no longer an immoral country
@@MultiLiam24 the Japanese always had a strict moral code, but it was very different from the West. Japan is a country of followers. So they immitate what they see other strong countries do. The problem is that they try to immitate some stuff without understanding the cultural and historical context. The biggest example is how they were forced to open their borders after 300 years and immediately tried to become an empire like Britain, without taking into account that Britain was at the end of it`s colonial phase, and the international feeling towards colonies was shifting.
Great review, thank you. I'm from Russia and have never visited China, but watching your videos makes me feel like the two countries are somewhat similar. Except for the obvious cultural differences, of course. Also, I haven't seen anyone laughing at corpses in my country, can't imagine what's so funny about dead people anyone could find... But anyway. Communism is evil in its core despite of declaring only the best of intentions, or at least it's appears to be like that.
Russia and China are both totalitarian regimes but the latter has managed to develop and create billion chances for its people unlike Russia whereas Moscow and Saint-Petersburg are relatively more developed than all the other provinces. China's 2nd tier cities are pretty much identical.
honestly, my family is Chinese and I've never seen or heard or stuff like this happening ever. Maybe its because we're from shanghai which is a different place to where the man in the video stayed. but all the Chinese I've ever met have been very kind and compassionate. I could never even imagine them so much as thinking about laughing at the dead. Especially an old man, the Chinese respect their elders even to a fault sometimes. it could be that I just haven't been there long enough, but I really don't understand where he could've seen something so horrific.
It is completely against human nature!! Thats why!
@@angelina_allanson8759 Are they Christians? I think Christianity has helped many cultures become more compassionate. That is why the communist government hates religion and why in China Christians are persecuted and killed (same with Chinese Muslims and Buddhists). I am not Christian myself because I don't know if it is literally true, but I love the ethos and how it humanizes people. Yes, it's misused and twisted sometimes, but in general I think it had a good influence.
@@donnaknudson7296 yes they are Christians, there's actually quite a big Christian population in China.
This is so true. I have a friend who used to set up databases on mainframe computers all over the world. When he went to China, his contractors tried to bribe him, and could not comprehend why someone would not take a bribe. In India, when someone he worked for tried to do something shady, when you would tell them, they showed that they understood it was wrong. Complete difference in morality.
I first seen the first dead person when I was 10 years old an car accident near my house and it had a profound effect on me and after that I highly valued and respected life , it's just inhumane to not value life .
You raise an interesting perspective! Not to value you life as you do is inhumane, yes. Inhuman, no.
Not all cultures have valued and respected individual human lives. In the roughly 100,000 years since the modern human mind emerged, the percentage of ten-year-olds who would have responded to your experience the way you did is tiny.
I can’t speak for other civilizations, but the West owes this to the Jews. The Jewish notion that God created humans in his image and that each human has inherent value was nothing less than a moral revolution. : )
I'm not calling the man in the video a liar or anything, but my family is from China. and every time I've ever visited the people there have been super kind and compassionate. I couldn’t even imagine them thinking about laughing at a dead man in the street let alone an old man, as the Chinese often respect their elders very much often to a fault. it could be because the places he's been in china are different from the ones I've visited. (he's mostly been to hong kong and I'm from and go to shanghai) so there could be a difference there. but I honestly don't know.
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I’ve never seen a dead body on the road but if I ever do, I’ll flip out. Of course I’d stop and call 911 NOT laugh and take pictures
@@angelina_allanson8759 no he lived in shenzen
Why anyone foreigner would be willing move, live, and work in China is beyond me. I left in 1992 and renounced my Chinese citizenship. You foreigners (immigrating to china) never cease to amaze me. It just doesn't make a lot of sense.
What drove you away? Some commenters tell such interesting stories (your's may or may not be, but I've seen some who know), that, seriously, Laowhy should have guests on. Skype! Google Hangout! Streamlabs! These things can be done.
Because many are stupid
If a person is looking for adventure, and is unaware of the environment that they are going to, they may be very excited to go.
For most of my life (nearly 70 years), information on China was difficult to come by for a westerner. That is one reason that I find this and Winston's channel so interesting.
Any chinese who moved out of china around 80s 90s who renounced their chinese citizenship is pretty common. My uncle did the same, but i wont, u never know what will happen in the future, im not sure about Europe or America, but Australia as where i live, its declining every year, mostly economy perspective.
@Abdigani Aden you are just so full of crap.
“Bcuz they don’t know who those ppl are it doesn’t actually matter to them” all I need to know about the Chinese culture
Being as a Chinese I have to say you are 100% right and this is so sad how china becomes this way nowadays...
Im glad you got your family out... Today that will be my wish. Happiness and a future for your family.
I guess it's not such a big deal! Laowhy says he may be moving back when things calm down! See 33:27 in his latest livestream on his wife Vivienne's channel.
I always find it very interesting as I visit China with reasonable frequency for work and I have some wonderful Chinese colleagues but I always note that whenever the wait staff bring me tea or fill my glass I will always say thank-you. I’m British so it’s very much part of the culture here but I often note that no Chinese person will acknowledge the wait staff. It’s just a small thing and the wait staff don’t seem bothered but I always note it.
Because the notion of service is that context is to facilitate without distracting the diners participants. Your thanks will be noted, in some case appreciated, but not expected. It's a cultural difference.
Not saying thanks to the waitstaff isn't such a huge deal. I draw the line when people literally treat the waitstaff less than human; like dogs.
Honestly,do we need to say thanks when we paid them to do that?in my country,there are service charge so i dont think we need to
Curious about your working industry and the seniority of your colleagues as I’m working and living on both sides of China and UK although usually I including most of my friends say thank you or sorry on these public occasions. However, I’d say this scenario is a mindset thing rather than culture thing. Eg: Chinese especially traditional ones barely say thank you to families nor close friends as they won’t take the relationship genuine if they say so. They would more likely believe what people act than speak to some extent. And on some occasions the response is “it’s all right and it’s my job to so do” if you say thank you because they do sincerely take the work/service/achievement they do as a responsibility so don’t need to be praised that much, which also explains the traditional Chinese motto: Being modest/humble is a morality.
@@Forever_Soul this is not the feeling in my country(canada). We tip (service charge). We always say "thank you".
You are spot on. I live in Hong Kong, and when I go to Mainland China I always feel a sense of foreboding coming over me. I know people there couldn’t care less if I live or die, nor will they help me.
If you’re a human you “deserve” to have an opinion on other humans / humanity - ESPECIALLY if you’re informed on the human/s and culture like this guy.
And actually, it’s pretty important for people to have an informed opinion about other people / cultures so they can use that deeper understanding and apply it to geopolitics, understanding the news, politics, policies, voting, etc. (not to mention befriending and relating one on one).
And that’s beside the fact that it’s pretty important to know your neighbors because this world is getting smaller and smaller.
I was working in Chengdu city of Sichuan back in 2013. A little boy on the street got hit by a taxi cab and he fell on the side of the street. Everyone passed by. I was going home, I had a Dutch and a Chinese speaking Singaporean co-worker with me. 3 of us took the boy in a taxi and to the hospital. I tell you that experience broke me down.
I lost face by doing everything I could to ignore face and do things like talk to the street cleaners. It gave me a sense of joy because I knew I was maintaining my moral stance where others seemed to have none. They thought I was one down, I knew I was one up.
I used to live in China and feel the same.
No wonder Hong Kong is in such a situation. Bless the people there.
@Byrnzie400 Can you tell me what the freedom is?
In the west we must do as much as possible to support hong kong people ..they do not want to end up like mainland chinese..ie totally devoid of compassion or any degree of empathy.
@@user-tw8yd1ru3z freedom to THINK FOR ONE SELF.FORM OWN OPINIONS .NOT THOSE OF A TYRRANICAL CRUEL CCP.
@Byrnzie400 The world's second largest economy has no freedom? What a joke? Some people only believe what they want to believe. How many sins in the name of freedom? If China's achievements today belong to Indian, you won't care so much about China.
张东 can you tell me? I'm much more interested in your perspective. for me freedom is the ability to see wrong in your own country, culture, and world at large and critique it in hopes that the world and humanity at Large will make the effort to improve....we ALL can improve... I think that's where Western cultures Clash with the Chinese opinion because we can self analyze and find issues with our own behavior and see that as productive, I don't believe this is done in Chinese Society. Americans criticize their own country and culture all the time so when we see issues and others we tend to do the same though we do attempt to do it more respectfully then when we critique ourselves(well depending, the older generation can occasionally be racist😥). but the reality is we're just from a place where we have the freedom to discuss these things, so we do believing that every aspect of humanity can be improved!
You've captured the Chinese mentality pretty well. China is one of the most capitalistic societies in the world (people are very selfish), but civil society is lacking in so many ways, which leads to a lot of the behavior you've observed. The CCP is acting like a safeguard to create all these mechanisms (i.e. social credit score, censorship, etc.) because people are so competitive there. While it's a lucrative market to enter for a lot of businesses, you have to ask, what is is for at the end of the day?
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The ccp getting richer and maintaining power.
It doesn't enrich the spirit nor sate anything, it just is.
just being is'nt of a reason for existence.
On the capitalistic scale, I would say Chinese (at least in the urban areas) are even more capitalistic than Americans (that's a shocker).
@@ccli907 Winnie the Pooh loves _you!_
I totally understand that, though I've lived on this land for like 30 years, true I'm Chinese.
Everytime I see a crowd I won't go up to join cause I'm afraid to know what I would behave, to be as numb as the others or worse to laugh or talk about every life-and-death serious thing cheaply... and in my experience if anyone stand out to point out something wrong (especially politically) he would the one to blame, since it's always easier to solve the man who raise the problem than to solve the problem itself.
I won't say it's like living in hell, but emotionally or from a perspective of mental health, it's like...差不多
Thank you. China needs people like you who aren’t afraid to admit to problems. This is how societies improve.
The lack of contact with strangers in China even when you see them regularly, for example in a shop is depressing. Outside China, I have made friends with people running or serving in restaurants and bars. I'm in the Philippines now and had a very pleasant 5 minute chat with the owner of a local shop. Can't say this never happens in China but it is rare.
Do you have any experience of other East Asian countries other than China? I have been to both Thailand and China and its far easier to make friends in China than Thailand. My white friends have the exact same experience. In Japan, you are often excluded from their group gatherings, never had the same experience in China.
Well, do you speak Chinese ? Most Chinese can't speak decent English. I always have plenty of conversations with strangers when I'm in China, from a-yis to high-school students, because I can speak the language.
Having grown up in Vancouver, I noticed that the Chinese exhibit such behaviour, and I am not really shocked with the lack of empathy and basic common courtesy.
This was actually a deterrent for me to ever want to visit China, also the behaviour of their tourists is basically the same no matter what country I have been to.
I live in Moscow now, and nobody likes Chinese tourists. Lol. I see a load of them everyday on my way to work.
I have noticed this from tourists too. During snowmobile safari one member of chinese group got injured and quide had to wait for helicopter to pick him up. Other group members were getting mad, and started yelling that they dont give a shit if that one dude dies in the snow. And that we should just abandon him in to the wilderness. I think he was their goworker or friend.
@@iirishautala8448 Wow, that lack of empathy for someone you work with is really...I have no words.
What if you got sick in China, who would help you there? I mean, I know that there are good people everywhere, but from the things I have seen I just don't think I would do well living in some countries. 😑
They do need some educating in most (ok just about all) cases!
@@frescoweb4 Thats True, that they are behaving very badly abroad, but to be honest I dont think its the first case in the world when People suddenly start exploring other countries In a big scale. They tend to go crazy and do weird things. Its not that long ago when People in my country took their own breads and sausages to vacations, because they honestly tought that exotic foods are inedible or even poisonous. They were mad if they couldnt find beer they are used to or refused to learn any helpful local words, because they tought that everyone should be able to understand them. Very arrogant and stupid.
That kind of things get better slowly, when the biggest rush to travel goes away. Atleast 20-40 years. Sometimes when your expectations are way too high and not all goes as planned, you react very irrationally and gruelly. I think that phenomenon has a name.
I'm in South Korea and Korean's aren't fans of Chinese tourist/students, either. I loved where I used to live but now living near school with majority Chinese exchange students, my life is kinda hell-like sometimes. I hate feeling how I feel but even in countries that aren't their own, it's Chinese/China first and foremost and f other countries cultures and people.
I appreciate you speaking out about the behaviour within China! I was living and working out there for six years. I recently returned to the UK. While working as a teacher I felt a moral responsibility to encourage children to make better choices instead of covering up their actions to protect their image.
I can recall a story from my first year working in China. I was in Guangzhou, Tian He walking down the street and I saw a man pull a jacket out of his bag. Unfortunately his wallet spilled out onto the floor and he didn't notice and kept walking. I responded quickly by pointing to it and alerting him in English. He turned around, saw it and picked it up. We then shared eye contact but he didn't smile or attempt to communicate. He walked away and I felt confused by this action. As a way of rationalising it I chose to think that the eye contact was a way of saying thank you. Later I came to think that perhaps this was a strange situation for him as it was for me because of the lack of selfless acts of kindness.
I live in California. A few years ago I used to clean a laundromat 3 nights a week. One night I found a wallet in the parking space in front of the laundromat, with everything in it and about $170 in cash. I picket it up and took it into the laundromat. About an hour later I saw a Black man looking under cars. I asked him what he was looking for and he said he was looking for his wallet. I asked him his name and it matched the name I had seen on his driver's license so I gave him the wallet. He was very happy, saw that nothing was missing from his wallet, and told me 2 or 3 times "You are a good woman." His compliment stayed with me for days.
I had friends who went to China when I was in college. I later studied the language and culture in graduate school. my friends were all happy go lucky, smiling types...With no exception when they came back from mainland China they lost weight, did not smile, and were obviously in a different state. Horrible situation over there and not representative of Chinese values, unlike Taiwan which did maintain those traditions. Very sad situation.
The coldness stems from the Communist Party from many many many years ago.
With that said, I've met many amazing caring people from China.
Even though it is noticeably different, it's the same around the world when you go to materialistic, fast moving, cities... people r colder in general than the ones in beautiful, natural environments.
It doesn't surprise me AT ALL, that you and your buddy almost got nabbed by the government after all the videos you guys have released.
You're just sharing the truth, but man you guys r hella lucky you got outta there before they nabbed you 🤙
Yeah i always wondered how the chinese never snatsched them in their time there
Living in a country with a different culture can certainly change you and your perspective in good and bad ways
I was born in cuba, now in USA. I suffered a lot in my motherland, thanks God I have the good luck to live here. Communism sucks! I was in China, I saw the same behaviors, corruption, atheism, a lot of ppl having a bad life there.
Atheist society
@@cooliipie Not Atheist Society since if you look at CCP, they employ many religions's tactics to control people. Every religions in China require Chinese characteristic, including reincarnation.
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It's the only Atheist nation. And the effects are obvious
@@cooliipie Not to mention the classes or castes system in China is brought over by Buddhism and then the Emperors of China saw the benefits of that, so they implement into the system.
If more and more Chinese people realize the “Bystander Effect”, and more and more people start promoting the traditional values and original care to the public, spread it to the people, I believe we would have a better China and Better world.
good topic
huize guo I’ve tried explaining that to people from mainland China before. All I got was blank look on their faces. They simply don’t have the concept to understand common courtesy for common good.
...... The JEWISH MESSIAH, JESUS CHRIST the Lord, The Son of GOD said, " love thy neighbor as thy self ". Ref: LEVITICUS 19:18; MARK 12:31. Amein. Just think, how the world would be.
@Andre Knowledge357..... .have you seen all of the LAND AREA OF CHINA? Just look at the map of CHINA. Look at the land mass of CHINA. BUT....what did GOD say for mankind to do upon the earth? Be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth and subdue it . Ref: GENESIS 1:28 / The JEWISH HOLY BIBLE. This WORD is the only DOCUMENTATION for mankind upon the earth....from GOD Himself. And this GOD is The JEWISH MESSIAH JESUS CHRIST the Lord, The Son of GOD, Creator Redeemer King.......for ALL OF MANKIND. Ref: GENESIS 1:1 through 2:25; JOHN 1:1-5; COLOSSIANS 1:14-17. Amein.
@Andre Knowledge357 ...i am not RELIGIOUS either, i love GOD, The Heavenly Father and His only beloved Son JESUS CHRIST the Lord. MESSIAH JESUS gave his life for you, for me, FOR ALL PEOPLE OF THE EARTH, on the CROSS, because of OUR SIN; JESUS died for our SINS.....But, Praise be to GOD, JESUS rose from the grave, and he is seated on the THRONE with his Father in Heaven. As for PROCLAIMING SALVATION to the lost and perishing Souls of the Chinese people; we have been COMMISSIONED to do so. And, our thoughts and prayers are for the underground assemblies in China, PROCLAIMING SALVATION to the lost and perishing people.....to be BORN-AGAIN, being RENEWED, in CHRIST JESUS the Lord. Ref: PSALM 34:18; ISAIAH 1:18-20; JEREMIAH 17:14; JOHN 3:3-7; ACTS 2:38. Amein. You too, Andre, can be saved from your SIN....to be RESTORED TO GOD; from Death to Life, from Satan to GOD, through MESSIAH JESUS the Lord. Ref: ACTS 26:18. Amein.
@Andre Knowledge357 .....yes, The SPIRIT OF GOD is within CHINA. The BORN-AGAIN believers and followers of MESSIAH JESUS, are in CHINA.....proclaiming SALVATION to the lost and perishing. JESUS CHRIST the Lord, desires that no one perish, but come to REPENTANCE OF SIN. Ref 2 PETER 3:9. Amein. BELIEVE, and you too, shall be SAVED.
What an interesting perspective. I really appreciate your unbiased, non-patronising narrative. Really refreshing 👍🏻
"I dont want people to think this is how China is". Even though that's actually how it is. I feel sad for the Chinese people living there.
Yeah - I don’t understand his saying “I don’t want you to think this is how China is” - because apparently it IS like that and he’s telling us for the purpose of warning us about the side effects of the influence and living under the most dangerous regime on earth, so if it’s true, why DOESN’T he want us to think that? (Maybe he’s trying not to demonetize himself on TH-cam).
Thinking this is how Chinese people are is going to be a logical response to hearing this and watching this video. How about “I wish this weren’t true, but it is so therefore the world needs to be aware of it.” Very aware.
I'm so glad my great grandparents left China 80 years ago.
Marcus L that’s way before the communists rule lol
@@wilhelmvonbrandenburg5850 Yeah, that's even better.
I am glad they left too as you are an embarrassment being the grandchild of a comfort woman and a KaiTai ................ Yin Tong so Long I am the Chinese sandman goodnight!
@@genghissu1185 enjoy the censorship in China
I feel the same about my maternal great grandparents leaving Lithuania. Everything I've heard about it says it's a shithole.
'Do not be deceived: “Bad company ruins good morals.” ~1st Corinthians 15:33
“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves." Matthew 7:15. Be discerning in what you listen to ad what you believe.
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Yup,I feel the same way although I’m a Chinese fr mainland China.
As a guy who grew up in China and immigrated to US for 30 years, I cannot survive in China at all because I cannot lie, cheat, living like a pig or steal like the rest of the people. I saw some of my co-workers from US who went back to China as "high-level" foreign expert, got ahead there mainly by "hu you" (bragging or exaggeration), which I could not do,. Anyway, good show and very revealing.
Thanks for covering these important materials that you didn't cover in your earlier videos years before, and that I've always been curious about too.
This is really quality content! Big respect to the bravery you display and for opening my eyes for some of things happening in China.
It's very interesting. As a Chinese who lives in China more than twenty years I never saw a dead people on the street. The only time I saw a people fall in coma on the street my mom covered my eyes and took me away. I remember how sad she was and told me must be careful on the street.
Sounds like a good mom.
Same happens in Thailand. A young guy jumped the barrier in the middle of the road and was decapitated right in front of the crossway and maybe around 50 people, myself included. A cement truck turned the corner and caught his head. Corpse with no head and blood pouring over the road. Myself and another guy found some carboard boxes and covered the body with cardboard. Thais were furious as most were filming and taking photos of the corpse. WTF.
Thank you for this video. It helps me more to understand Chinese culture. It kind of ironic when they say something like "All Chinese-one China" and then just don't care about the person next to them...I was born in a communist country, but people had "more heart", they would help you if you in trouble. This video makes me sad and confused...
You're absolutely correct. Your struggle is what we've been through in HK all these years after 1997. Millions and millions of Chinese tourists come to Hong Kong every year. After being colonized by the British government for years, we are always shocked and upset by the way many Chinese live and behave. This is the struggle we have, in a daily basis, to deal with a country (and its people) that values no faith, no belief, no trust, no dignity, no integrity, no morality, but only money. That is why so many HKers hate China and think that they're not from/a part of China, which is at least partially true in terms of culture, values, life style etc. It's so lucky you can just walk away and go back to the US, the only choice for us HKers is to defend our land against the corruption/bad influences from China until our very last breathe. Yet thank you for making this video, it's like you're speaking out for us, even though you're not intentionally doing so. No one is more convincing than a guy like you who is from a western country and has lived in China so long to get to see its true nature. The world needs to see this, especially those who are obsessed with the economic growth of China but can't see the inside truth of it.
leo6ff2004 well said
You are god damn right
@Papyrus Okagbue This is not true, when the Chinese poor as hell we are doing really good.
@@lizadonrex lmao by being the middleman. You don't like to hear it but the truth is without China, nobody would care about HK. Why do you think HK economy took off at the same time Deng opened up the market? Lol
@Papyrus Okagbue Yeah, and that's the sickest part of the story. Celebrities, corporates dare not hold any different opinions than the CCP's otherwise they'll get banned in China. It happens every single day here in HK. And now the US finally has some tastes of it. NBA, Disney, and Blizzard to name a few are so ready to kiss CCP's ass because nobody wants to abandon a market of 14 billion people. China, a communist dictatorship country lead by a heartless and soulless regime, is literally using capitalism to control us. You see how fucked up this is?
Sounds like a soul destroying culture.
That's what the Communist Party did to them during the cultural revolution. And that's why they persecute religious believers. They want to kill people's soul.
I felt the entire culture is sociopathic. Was 6 months there but by month 3 I couldn't wait to leave.
I was a pizza delivery driver in karlsruhe south germany for about 2 years. It has a great university for tech stuff (KIT) therefore a lot of foreign students including many chinese.
Long story short i delivered a lot of pizza to a lot of people and i never got a tip or even a smile out of any chinese person during that time. In fact i often felt like they looked at me with a sort of disgust hard to describe after a while i just assumed that tipping was just not a thing in China and maybe they dont smile or like smalltalk with strangers over there too.
This video rly makes me think that they in fact looked down on me and didnt rly have even an ounce of respect and it was not just a cultural thing but blatant disrespect.
Its not just Taiwan. There's Hong Kong, Singapore, and all the Ethnic Chinese who live in different parts of the world outside of the Mainland. Its obvious that the 70 years of CCP rule has changed Mainland Chinese specifically. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand the reasons.
@Anonymous I'd believe it was.
But as you say, the rest have moved forward while the mainland has stagnated.
@Anonymous You are right that the Mainland Chinese are basically the same, however there was a very vindictive, paranoid, dog-eat-dog, every-man-for himself environment that was cultivated and rewarded during the Cultural Revolution that is really at the heart of all the moral issues that China faces today that simply were not as prominent in places such as Taiwan or HK or even similarly Communist regimes like Vietnam.
Because of the cultural revolution it created a destruction of traditional values, family values. Also because everyone was afraid of the CCP government many also learn to lie and cheat just to appease the government. Also many people during the cultural revolution turn against each other. Friends against friends, student against teachers, children against parents just to appease Mao Zedong. And it was encouraged by the government.
I don't think you are entirely correct...
The Chinese have intensely strong family and friend values.
Guanxi (gwan shee: relationships/connections) is at the very center of each of their lives. It is their actual value system.
However, this value does not apply to complete strangers. At all.
The difficult thing for a Chinese individual to establish is whether a new connection is sincere or cynical, as is often the case.
That Fart Of Doom meant:- I do agree southern China like Guangdong and GuongXi has more stronger concept of family values and also traditions. But keep in mind they were also farther away from the capital as well and historically took longer to adapt to whatever changes from the capital from the north especially since they are so far away. Southern China were the last to get influenced by the Mongol empire and the last be to influenced by the Manchu too. Also the south founded the Koumintang party and also still had many supporters in the southern region even after Mao took over. Many in the south are still loyal to close families vs the state.
My respect levels for you went up hugely just now. That was intense how much those you had grown to love showed characteristics that were polar opposites to your core beliefs and how that must have made you feel. Thanks for the vid, mate.
@Papyrus Okagbue I am Australian so I am not acquainted intimately with American life and i was simply commenting on what was in the video and from my own experiences with Chinese mainlanders I have interacted with here in Australia.
@Papyrus Okagbue What do you mean by "social neglect at home"? Do you mean parents not sleeping in the same bed as their 10 year old children as they do in India?
@Papyrus OkagbueYour points are all sound and I am not doubting them. I also have no doubt that western culture has more problems than I am intelligent enough to name. This comment was once again directed at C-milks core values as opposed to what he witnessed and experienced and how it changed him. My comment was directed at how difficult that must have been to love and respect someone and their family yet see things that every fibre of your being disagrees with due to how you were raised.
@Papyrus Okagbue good response. I have not lived in China. He makes a living from selling his opinion and staying relevant will always be a struggle for a you-tuber. Hence, they will usually try to tackle the most contentious issues to get the most views and people like us talking about it. What country were you raised in your childhood years and what age did you go to China and for how long? Did you feel any of these things he speaks of or did you find it entirely opposite?
I agree with your perspective of China and my experience in Beijing would have been a lot more jarring if I could speak Chinese as you do. I lived there for four years, but I've really struggled being back in the U.S. Americans for me are unpredictable. I don't trust their smiles or politeness as we equate being moral with feeling good about ourselves. At least in China, the people were predictable and friendships (though rare) are genuine. We as Americans fight for morality (either conservative or liberal) in a narcissistic fashion. China does not have a monopoly on selfish behavior. We talk a good talk but treat our homeless poorly and those with different ideologies as deplorables. We are taught to help the less fortunate but refuse other's help because that makes us unfortunate i.e. less than them.
My wife is Thai/Chinese and has always lived in Thailand. The push pull in her morals vs her heritage is something I can see in her eyes when we talk about things. With things going on now with the NCoV, and the response in the Main land, I can see why.
I just got off a bus with my 96 year old father here in Hong Kong. I was holding onto him while carrying the folded wheelchair and a young man tried to push pass my father to get off first, and a middle age lady tried to do the same thing on the other side of me trying to slip pass to be off the bus first. While there were some very considerate people all around, there were all the ones like these two showing extremely rude and inconsiderate behaviors. Of cos my first reaction, being very protective of my father, was to block them from squeezing pass and possibly pushing my father aside; I also cursed out loud in English as a reflex and then in Chinese telling them to stop pushing pass us! No apologies, no emotions as if their actions were perfectly acceptable!
I might be considered a racist or even a 'banana' but from all my travels, I felt I experienced these kind of behaviors more here in Hong Kong, from Chinese, than I have stateside or most other places! Whatever happened to the Chinese traditions of respecting elders, showing consideration of others and proper behaviors and conducting one self with pride and respect!!!? The cultural revolution of the sixties led by Mao really destroyed what was good of many of our traditions and the current communist government never bothered to re instill them back into new generations, rather concerning itself with political educations of the youth like they are now trying to do in HK! For that, shame on the CCP.
@Hardy Harhar... The Europeans had little to do with the erosion of our revere cultures and everything to do with the culture revolution! It turned a generation against the elder generation, with children turning in their parents, students set against their teachers, temples and cherished landmarks destroyed, eliminating ranking systems in the military, history rewritten, etc. My grandfather lost everything he worked hard for, when the communist government simply commandeered all.
I guess I should consider myself lucky to have missed those turbulent time; my parents brought their kids up properly despite living thru the hardships of WW2 and then gave us a chance for a better future in the US.
In closing, I would not put blames on current generations but on the government itself. People live their lives being influenced and indoctrinated by the CCP. How could they not be whom they are, living under such government!? There is a Chinese saying, of a frog living in a well- all the frog could see was the little patch of sky when looking up. Chinese living under CCP rules only get to see the rest of the world what was allowed them and nothing more.
I’m South East Asian and I was shocked at how people in China behaved. They stare openly at you, have no concept of queues and were just rude. I’m not saying everyone is like this, but it was a culture shock
First I apologize to you for those rude behaviors. Because whatever in Hongkong or mainland, we are all Chinese. I feel so sorry for your terrible experience in Hongkong. But you said you're in Hongkong and talked about the thing happened in 60s leaded by Mao. Actually, Hongkong was not come back to China in 60s, so the thing happened in China in 60s did not influent Hongkong at all. I am not saying it's good for hk people to be impolite. Please don't push all the wrong things to CCP. Like all the bad things are caused by ccp.
Go to Taiwan, this would never happen.
I know exactly what you're talking about! The other day there was a guy with no legs lying down and singing on the street and people were literally stepping over him to ignore him and I had to try and explain to my daughter why everyone was ignoring him. That's the moment I decided to leave China. Just got to wait for my contract to end.
You are a good parent .
This kind of person is some swindlers. It's a social phenomenon to gain income by cheating compassion,They are actually in good health,They pretend to be disabled,They don't want to work,We despise this situation, so we ignore
@@FantasyZeroMecha it's difficult to pretend you have no legs
@@philricher9844 I know what you mean, but many cheaters cheat people's eyes in various ways,There are a lot of cheaters exposed,The bad news is that there are so many of them,Sometimes someone really needs help,But people's compassion is broken,We will now help others in a professional rescue platform,Just like some services provided by Alipay platform.This is a bad social phenomenon. We can't help it. We can only scold those swindlers.
I'm sorry to let you see this, but where there's light there's darkness,We still hope that the society can be full of friendship and helplessness. The complexity of society makes people more inclined to protect themselves first,God bless you
This video really supports how CULTURALLY Taiwan is so different from China that is has developed into its own independent country. It always been, but now not only with it’s completely separate government, military, and currency (just to name a few), the Taiwanese culture has been separated from China for 70 years, its made an amazing positive change to what used to be “Chinese” culture. 80% of Taiwanese now identity and Taiwanese, not Chinese. And the 20% who say they are Chinese is because most are very old people. Just as many Americans came from Europe and he UK, we speak English and have many similar values and ethics. We are still NOT identified as anything except American. Taiwan is a magical country, with its own unique culture, morals, and high ethical standards. Its needs to drop RoC and just be known as Taiwan. I feel bad that the world took a gamble on China back in the 70’s because they saw a quick buck, expecting the Communist Party to collapse...but it hasn’t and is now the real virus infecting our Earth. USA
Chinese has 2 meanings. 1 is DNA/ethnicity , 2 is by passport/nationality. Inner Mongolian, Tibetan , Uyghurs are not Chinese by DNA/ethnicity but they are Chinese by passport/nationality. 98% of Taiwanese are Chinese by DNA/ethnicity but not by passport, like a lot of people in Singapore and Malaysia are Chinese. Also UK people come to America, there are still Irish Americans or Scottish American. Or Italian American, w/e American. A lot of white Americans who don't know their origin or too mixed up just refer themselves as Americans. That's why one big holiday is the USA is an Irish Holiday, all the Irish Americans come out and celebrate.
I can understand why you feel that way, I remember growing up in a small town with not that many Asians, and Asians were sometimes bullied. So this Filipino girl(looks very Asian) said she is not Asian but pacific Islander(you can be both Asian an Pacific Islander but cant deny being Asian). She was ashamed to be Asian. This usually don't happen in big cities like LA or NY where there are a lot more Filipinos.
han z Chinese does not have two meanings. Wherever your citizenship is, is what you are. There can be black and white Chinese, but they are still Chinese. China owns the areas of Tibet and Mongolia, so people who live there are Chinese. Their ethnicity is different. Like my family who are Taiwanese. They have Japanese and Chinese ethnic backgrounds...but they are Taiwanese not Chinese, not Japanese. And you are 100% wrong that bullying(racism is what you meant) doesn’t happen in large cities like LA. Racism is not confined to small towns. It happens everywhere and absolutely disgusting...unless you live in China where the CCP actually encourages it. Fact
Does not holding the door open for someone affect society as a whole? If leaving dog poop on the sidewalk and not fixing broken windows makes people care less and crime go up, then I would say yes not door holding is a big red flag. I would NEVER date a man who walked right in front of me and still let the door slam in my face.
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN.
JAPAN #2 CHINA #8.
Love Taiwan
@@Senaleb lololol dope AngryPug H1z1 reference
Taiwan too small
Outstanding video! Very informative. Thank you very much for sharing.
It is crazy as a child my parents admired the Chinese saying that they were hard-working kind people my Dad said they keep to themselves because people bully them.
China wasn't like this 30 years ago. When parts of the population became rich, some of the poor felt the system unfairly treated them and started to take things into their own hands...some started to intentionally fall in traffic faking injuries to get drivers to pay, it call 碰磁。Sad things is the court system don't want to spend the time to sort things out and often left the driver defenseless. Lack of Good Samaritan Law protection often punishes people trying to help. In one case kids helped a old woman to hospital for fractures was sentenced to pay her bills. The reason given by the court was if you didn't cause her injury, why would you felt compelled to help her to hospital. Court cases like this changed people's behavior rapidly, citizens stopped helping unless they knew each other. Although government enacted good samaritans protection later, but the damage to society was done. It will take generations for things to recover.
Sadly, rather than us having an influence on them towards caring for their fellow man, we instead are becoming more like them.
Chinese: not holding doors
Canadians: They DARE?!
So Canadian dare? unless they want to be killed by gun
出國更愛國 Wumao
lol, i can see the hand wringing and apologies.
ChenLu (Lucya) Yang Just like commies do
As an American in the south, I can definitively say there’s never been an unheld door down here 😀
I remember the same reaction to the dead taxi driver which I had in Taipei on the overpass by the station where at the top of the steps was a guy lying on the floor dying from Aids & everyone was just literally stepping over him like he was just litter...it stopped me in my tracks...
"the dead taxi driver which I had in Taipei on the overpass by the station" What? You mention this and segue into talking about someone dying of AIDS. What was the reaction to the taxi driver?
As a Beijinger studying in DC for a while now, I can defiantly confirm the social alienation with noone even pretending care about strangers. But I don't think one is looked down upon for treating random people well, many times my friends praise me for doing so.
Have you been getting racist comments from white Americans ?
Peter Y yes but most of them are just stereotypical not straight up racist
This is an important fact - thank you for sharing.
"Don't want people to think China is that bad." But it is.
No matter what haters say anything about China, it's the fact that China is becoming stronger and stronger.I just enjoy the circumstances that you don't like me but you can't beat me.😄😄😄
TornadoADV are you there physically seeing things or you’re just another hater?
Nick Wang Hello wumaos!
Well, it isn't Afghanistan! And, there is no war in China!
We can concentrate on all that is wrong with China! That would be unfair, though, because in the urban areas, there is much good, also!
Yes, it is corrupt! Yet, people there do manage to make a living and enjoy their life!
It is just hard for the foreigners there and rural people, in general!
@@nickwang7457 My country doesn't have people laughing and pointing at corpses in the streets. Checkmate.
I have been struggling with that myself. Now I live my life with that motto. I just ignore bullying, unfairness, violence and scams whenever it happens amongst Chinese people.
One day I realised that if, for instance, I were to ever hear/witness domestic abuse amongst my neighbours I would probably turn a blind eye on it and certainly never call the police simply because I would be the one suffering the harshest consequences at the end. It's sad, but it's true.
An elderly man that I worked with for a decade (I was actually his supervisor) spent a great deal of his life traveling and living outside of America. He told a very similar story about living in India. This is second hand information, obviously, but he went into great detail about how it made him feel as though life was cheap in India. And he lived there later in life as a civilian, but he is a war veteran, so it's not as though he hasn't witnessed a lot throughout the years.
For nearly 70 years since its independence, India also has been under "soft communism", i.e., the socialist policies of the Congress party. No incentive for growth, because sluggish public sector companies were given the "commanding heights of the economy" - Nehru's phrase
This is such a difference compared to what it’s like in South Korea. I was there three years ago, and during my three week trip, _several_ different Koreans in several different situations in several different cities actively went out of their way to help me.
I still think about them sometimes, all the different people who helped me just because they wanted to - like the woman in her 30s who without being asked just went up to me and helped me carry my heavy suitcase up two large sets of stairs in a subway station. She just went up to me and helped me pull the handle, and when we finally reached the top of the staircase she smiled at me as I thanked her, nodded, and continued on with her day.
totally feel you, i lived in china for 3 years and had exactly the same experience and thoughts
So very spot on! You absolutely articulated my thoughts and observations from my last 9 years of interaction and sojourns in China.
@Papyrus Okagbue I don't agree! I know many Indian people, I live among them! The Mainland Chinese are rudest and care less!
Besides, we already know how you love to exaggerate and use misinformation and disinformation, from your previous comments! Nothing you say can be believed!
Thank you for sharing this. This is so sad.
There is no way I could live in China when this stuff goes on. My heart would hurt too much.
kuo yee liu You the part of the reason why China is still a shithole and getting worse
kuo yee liu sharing opinion is dirty mouse for you?
kuo yee liu WooHoo watch your mouse I’m Chinese fella
kuo yee liu You speak of shame and humanity? Nice joke buddy
kuo yee liu Thanks for your concern no need for that
A thoughtful piece by a thoughtful American. Refreshing. We need all the thoughtful Americans we can muster in these dark days. Your empathy shines through and, judging from the overwhelmingly positive responses below, you have got it right. Anyone who criticises you for holding an opinion on a culture other than your own is not to be taken seriously. It would be equally foolish to say that a critic cannot have a legitimate opinion of a book he did not write. I'm reminded of Kipling's "What do they know of England who only England know?"
@P Doolan I've never understood the use of that expression. Surely you must have something more interesting to say. You're not showing us your best side.
@@chriscrilly8807 I love how proper and elegant you sound 💕
I think most rational Americans are open-minded enough to empathize with people while criticizing the regime that manufactures the culture
i live in the vancouver area of canada. id say about half the chinese i meet are like this. the other half, dont matter about age or how long they have been here, are just like canadians; always willing to help when needed. they hold the door for me and such, even say thank you when i do the same for them. the other half are like robots without manners programming.
Great that you display such virtue in your judgemental high horse. The casual racism in dividing an entire ethnic group into just two categories of people is quite staggering...but in keeping with Canadian historical practices - goof job.
Doubtless the 'robots Chinese' must be godless communists.
Cultural relativism is a problem in Japan too. Even after 36 years in Japan, I resigned in protest from a tenured Associate Professor's position because of this.
A key concept that helps understanding, though not reconciling it, is Dunbar's Number. We are social primates by nature, not herding primates. Social primates in a small community have the luxury of knowing each other well enough to have a morality based on empathy. But once we begin to swarm in large populations, the physiological constraints of empathy overload is compensated for by tradition, law, or increasingly ... algorithms. But as Lao Tzu once said, the more laws the country, the more wicked the people. Wittgenstein said the same thing about language in his Tractatus, and Godel said the same about math in his incompleteness theorems.
Small community- heart-to-heart grounded morality has its problems, but the rise of dark triad behavior traits (narcissism, machiavellian opportunism, and psychopathy) is not one of them. All large populations are eventually corrupted by dark triad driven corruption. The Japanese college students from the countryside who moved to Tokyo for college used to complain to me quite a lot about the morality / lifestyle gap between rural communities and the big city. I saw the same in rural Cambodia during 4 trips to do volunteer teaching in the sticks.
The Social Credit system and Big Brother will not create a quality of life any better than the not-so-free Neo-Liberal, Slash-and-Burn Corporate Capitalism of the states ... thank you, the Sackler Family for profiteering off the opioid crisis, the Walton Family for handing out food stamp forms along with minimum wage pay checks, Big Oil for reducing Iraq to rubble. All large scale business profits by exploiting the gap between what is legal and what is ethical .. and as lawyers know well, if you have a strong case, argue for what is 'right', if a weak case, for what is 'legal'.
The traits you noted very well among the average Chinese ... that is also how the ruling class of my own America regard those dependent on public schools, the minimal health care system, the large prison population, etc. Ultimately, disposable human capital. I suspect that at the subconscious level, Chinese have been through the bullshit a lot longer, and their callous cognitive dissonance is a subliminal way of protecting a fragile sense of self ... at least that is how I understand some of the more thin-skinned Japanese and their authoritarian hierarchies.
'Good' people, 'bad' people ... like I.Q. and empathy and dark-triad traits ... are pretty much evenly distributed around the world. It is herding behavior in dense populations that brings out the inherent contradictions in what primatologist Frans de Waal has dubbed 'the bi-polar ape' ... we homo sapiens.
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Thank you for your insights on China.
You believe them? Go visit China golfer yourself. Dont rely on falsehood.
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Thank you C-Milk and you partner Winston for your videos it has helped me fill in some of the gaps in my relationship with my Chinese wife, I now have a better idea why she thinks the way she does.
I think that majority of these bad things come from the revolution because my great grandma lived in the Russian revolution and she lived on a farm where the town people would dump corpses into their barns and she was around 10, so I think the Chinese have adapted to not caring about corpses and others. Also in agricultural societies people are in towns/tribes and if you have been agricultural until recently you will only care for your town/friend group/tribe.
I really enjoyed this video, it's a very insightful look on Chinese society in a manner I see few other sources provide. Just one caveat, many Taiwanese do not like to be referred as Chinese. To many Taiwanese, it's offensive as it implicates assimilation. Just be mindful of that in later videos.
that because you are Chinese, not by passport but by ethnicity. North Korean and South Korean, both Korean
Wow calling someone Chinese = offensive ??? You can scream you're Taiwanese all you want, but in the US you will get spat at, avoided in public transport, shot for looking Chinese. So no what you identify as doesn't matter
He also called Taiwan a country, so he clearly wasn’t implying that Taiwanese people and mainland Chinese are the same. “Chinese” here simply means ethnic Chinese (華人), just like the ethnic Chinese from Malaysia and Singapore. Here in Britain we do refer to Malaysian Chinese as “Chinese” as well as Malaysian. Nobody would assume they’re the same as Chinese people from China. Sorry to say but it’s the English language that doesn’t differentiate between華人 and 中國人.
Wow this is actually so interesting, thank you for making this video!
That would mess with me too much. I don’t care how many other positives there are about China, I COULD NEVER LIVE LIKE THAT.
There are no other positives. Fucking massive shit hole.
Some ex-pat Chinese people were shocked when at Bronte beach in Sydney, I basically swam out to help someone caught in a high tide swell and had been backswept into a channel. Like every 5 seconds she was being pulled further out into the ocean.
I went in there, stabilized her, I backstroked onto the rocks, ending up losing at least a pint of blood from gashes... and they hadn't moved an inch from their spot by the time we got back. And my swimsuit was tattered, dribbling blood everywhere... Like, I don't expect them to have helped if they weren't as strong a swimmer as I was because I don't want to have to try to save two or more people at once, but the least they could have done is something like go get a first aid kit.
Anyways ... the moral of the story is that by the time they had finished their degrees in Sydney, they had completely changed.
They weren't these passive observers just waiting for bad things to happen to people, anymore. They in a sense internalized a bit of that Australia 'proactive good will'.
And having been to China, and seeing a lot of the hatreds of the CPC directed at Australians in general, I feel like the biggest worry about the CPC is that Australia is kind of winning the 'culture war'. Because all the Chinese people who actually live in Australia and aren't just looking to cash in on the CPC's '5 miniutes of daily hate' campaigns ... they like it in Australia.
Sure, it doesn't have the some number of conveniences of larger countres, but the living quality here is so much better, and everybody is just *nicer* ... And you can't really put a price on having better, friendlier neighbours, can you?
Because so many of these rich Chinese people who are politically connected and all that ... they send their kids to live for multiple years in places in Australia, where everybody is expected to treat eachother with a level of egalitarian respect ... that sense of 'fair play' ... saying 'thank you' to the bus driver ... saying a nice word to the passing postie ... not spitting in public expecting cleaners and the like to clean up after your grottiness ... not treating service workers like trash, and rather seeing them as labourers who deserve respect for the jobs they do ...
That gets into their heads. That Australian egalitarianism.
Because Australia is kind of the country the CPC *wish they had* ....
The labourers get paid a living wage ... every worker gets 4 weeks paid annual leave bare minimum ... Australians get proper universal healthcare ... Australians get a better public education ... Australians behave without having to have a million facial recognition cameras everywhere ... people help each other out ... people don't have the same class boundaries as there are in China... there are actual-factual trade unions in Australia, not the bullshit useless ones run by CPC officials.
You don't need a 'social credit score' system in Australia for Australians to just be decent social agents.
Australia is a more 'socialist' country than China is, and it's effortlessly 'socialist' (or more so syndicalist) ... and that gets into the heads of a lot of Chinese students.
They see people like me willing to risk their neck out to help someone they don't even know and they think it's absolutely unbelievable. And then three years later, they realize that most Australians are like that ... And that's kind of what the CPC is frightened of the most. The fact that Australia is a better place to be than their management of the country will ever produce.
Because the government in China just produces fear. People don't want to stand out too much, because if you stand out too much you'll get destroyed by your government if you become more popular than they are. Tow the party line, don't stand out, don't help eachother because you don't want to stand out, don't have original thoughts (things like academic plagiarism in China is fucking rife) ... And that isn't a 'socialist' thing. Other so-called 'socialist countries' don't have that same culture precisely because they can't be so wasteful with people's lives. Vietnam, for example, is one of the friendliest countries in the Asia-Pacific. In terms of things like LGBTQ rights is about 4 lightyears ahead of China.
And this is principally why the CPC always push that nonsense of 'Australia is dangerous' and whatnot ... you are more likely to be a victim of crime in China to a factor of five times as much as you are in Australia.
And unlike the PRC, if you get seriously injured in Australia someone will actually stop and help you.