I assumed that the reason Adam got into heaven was because was if the angels acknowledged that he was a piece of shit, they’d have to acknowledge that they make mistakes and they can’t bring themselves to do that
Or the fact that adam was never evil and if we're looking at the Bible he probably ate the apple of knowledge of good and evil after eve tempted him to do I high doubt that the angles would let adam live if he was nothing but corrupted if they were trying to get the perfect world
If G-d acted out of justice the Heaven would be empty, because all people sin. But he is acting out of Mercy. That's why it is not the case. To get in Heaven you don't need to be perfect.
I think the Carmilla was able to kill an angel because she was protecting someone. As the angels are becoming evil over time, they are leaving themselves vulnerable to a force of good that can harm them. That can be an incentive for more demons to become good. But they will have to truly be good in order to take out angels with bad intentions.
If Adam was a human, are the other exorcists? Maybe angelic weapons are just as effective on them as they are the sinners, it would stand to reason. As arms dealer she easily has angelic weapons at her disposal. It's probably going to be something simple like that.
Which could also mean... that anyone who passes Charlie's rehabilitation programm could do the same Meaning charlie is actually building an army without knowing it
My canon is that since only Eve ate the apple of "the knowledge of good and evil," only Eve and humans know the difference between good and evil. The angels literally believe they're perfect because they don't even know what evil is. That's why Adam said he never did anything wrong, the exorcist said angels are never wrong, and why the cherubs in Helluva boss were such assholes. Edit: I was half right. In episode 6, none of the angels know what gets someone into heaven. And they also seemed pretty clueless when Charlie asked them what makes someone in hell different from someone in heaven. Only Adam responded to her, and even then he just listed blatantly obvious stuff like no stealing. It seems like they are clueless to why everything happens the way it does, and don't care enough to stop it.
@@chilliicecream5456 She also murders children in the original lore. I don't think we can use the Abrahamic mythos to extrapolate things about the Hazbin/Helluva universe. Vivzie has very much deviated from events as described in scripture or apocryphal texts.
I think introducing God as a character now is waaaay to early. Feels like a... last moment in the series finally kina thing. Would be cool if Charlie had a convo with her grandfather at the end if the show
@Wyvernatus It's modern-day millennial writing in an industry that is actively pushing satanic imagery in music and performances they can't not make god an asshole or incompetent.
@@Wyvernatus I was kind of hoping that heaven wasn’t going to be run by a bunch of jerks in general. God being an asshole is really like, “well then, what’s the point?” There’s no hope and no redemption if the creator is evil.
it feels weird for God to be the main villain. I think the angels are the main villain God was good it’s just that the angels were. power hungry or something
I feel it kinda makes since, with how easily angry her fan base is, she might be scared to offend anyone if she did try to depict him, but that’s just my theory
Im sorry but im already offended. If your going to tell us the story of genesis, rewriting it to fit your story? You better atleast have God in there. Otherwise this isnt right.@@cinnamonbeanbaby444
It's important to know that Charlie is reading a book with likely a very biased perspective. To her, this is the truth because it's what she grew up with. She may have a different personality and beliefs from her parents, but she does have a level of trust in them from being raised with them. Her mother has been out of touch for seven years still going, and her dad only just talked to her to cover going to an unwanted meeting for him. Plus, everyone keeps poking at Charlie's daddy issues. This show is as much about her growth as it is anyone's. She might have to face some shattering truths that her parents (mother most likely) can't cover up with a story book.
I like this theory most of all. Its the only one that makes sense given how close they follow the Abrahamic religions. Sure its got its own twist, but its followed close enough. Lucifer has to be lying.
End of the day, Alastor knows something. But he and Lilith have been gone the same amount of time, and the way he stared at the picture of Charlies parents in the pilot, he knows something, and it's got to be whatever twisted plan he has cooking for Charlie. I get the feeling Vox knows too since he knows Alastor is after Charlie.
I would like to add further to this, by making a very bold theory; Adam and the exorcists…. Are demons in actuality; hired by Lucifer, to make sure that people lose hope that there is no way they can be redeemed. I have a few ways to support my theory; Adam’s behavior does not seem very angelic, he seems to be very sadistic something that Heaven would not allow, furthermore; why was Lucifer be going to a meeting in heaven, if he was KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN?! my thoughts is that he deliberately set up Charlie to fail
This honestly sounds like it could be the story of how purgatory came to be. A place where people can repent for their sins and still get a chance to go to heaven even if they sinned in their lives.
Honestly, I believe Eve was one of the first sinners to permanently die in the Exterminations. Hell, I'd put money on Adam going out of his way to kill her the first chance he got.
To me, Adam is the one that proposed the extermination to get back at eve and lilith. And he keeps holding them until he knows they are dead, since he clearly controls the extermination dates
Actualyl she is probably ailve still. LEt us make a guses that Eve and Lilith and probably identical twins. Adam would want his new wife to look just like the old one. And so she was made that, but more submissive. Vulnerable to his imamature behavior. The motivation for giving eve the fruit was to give her the will to fight back against these abuses. LEt us fast forward, likely both litlih and eve alike fell to hell. People ahve thought' would eve be angry' but why would she be? Tbhey gave her freedom! So let us presume they had a good relationship. Though they both schemed and plotted. Then the exterminations began. And they grew all the more furious at how things were goign. Buut let us presume this. AT some point, Heaven promised something, in exchange for Eve to return to heaven, return to Adam. MAybe related to Carhlie's existence. But as they were identical and adam and heaven are unlikel to notice, Lilith took eve's place to protect her. While Eve ended up staying in hell, taking lilith's identity and raising charlie. But..... an evil is in her, a hatred, and she had plans and schemes, made all the worse from losing her sister to heaven . This would explain why there are suspiciously 2 painting depicting a very similar scene in lucifers mancave/craftshop. Both showing charlie, lilith, and him in a happy moment. Only two though.... Only two. and if you notice, there are differences between two depictions of lilith.
@@taddad2641 i agree she is alive but i would like to think she isn't Lilith but she is no one we know. And she has been helping build infernal infrastructure, And teaching a chosen few like Carmella how to fight and kill angels and she herself is doing it on the outskirts of the pride ring outside of the city. My secondary interpretation is that along with gaining consciousness Eve gained great knowledge. So she keeps tabs on hell to find good people, people who deserve to survive. And Carmella learned from her and taught Vaggie with eves permission. Or shes roo or just a disheveld old women outside of pentagram city or your theory.
I think it would be such a waste of a potentially very interesting character if she just died in the first extermination. I also don’t think Adam is like that, he liked to see the people he hates suffer. Look at Charlie, he hates her and just taunts her when he could just kill her. It’s only when Charlie is an actual threat he tries to kill her. And I would argue he’d never actually see Eve as a threat so long as she’s in Hell. Charlie is the first one that makes him think these people could actually be a threat to him.
Often but not always is the truth told by the quiet, and the lies told by the loud. Goodness is fruitful. Evil is destructive. Evil can not create, only find new ways to destroy.
Crazy theories: Not even angels know if there is an actual Lord or Creator in their universe. It was not the Forbidden Fruit being eaten that caused evil to rise in Earth, it was the terrible things Eve and Adam did when they finally got the knowledge from the fruit. There are times when Lilith goes to Earth to take a vacation from the whole mess of Hell and Heaven of her world, and that is why she has been missing for seven years.
ooOOoo! Interesting. I wonder if this might be a Demiurge situation as well. Fake God that believes they are the actual God. The oldest of the Angels could be this, and just claim to be an Angel for some reason
Honestly what would be really interesting is the series ending with Charlie being in charge of Purgatory since the hotel is basically a smaller version of it.
Doesn't the bible say women suffer pain during childbirth because of Eve making Adam eat the fruit? So in Hazbin, there may be a chance that the angels saw it all as HER fault and Adam as innocent. Adam gets rewarded as leader of the angel army while Eve... my theory is that she went to hell and is the very first "real" evil person in this story.
They were both told not to eat the fruit, and Adam was complying with that order. Eve was the one who ate the fruit first, and then decided to persuade Adam to do the same. That means that after gaining knowledge of good and evil, Eve chose to tempt Adam into commiting sin. Therefor, her punishment was more severe than Adam's, because he did not possess the knowledge needed to make an informed decision.
@@NyrufaI've also heard that Adam was brought for questioning before God and he vehemently blamed Eve with no remorse/ regret of his own, for that he would work the land with his own sweat which depending on the one who preaches is as bad as birth-pain
@@lanecatlin181no, they mention that as punishment women must suffer having children and being the second in command to men. They also mention that men will suffer working from the earth dust. Basically sexism, mysoginy and misandry come from religions in some way irl
If we go with that logic then there's also the chance that the other angels don't like Adam and he only rules the lowest ring of heaven and if he dies during the exterminations there isn't gonna be a big loss, basically he was given a useless "Important" job that doesn't impact the rest of heaven only to get rid of him.
I got a feeling that Charlie’s grandfather is going to give her that redemption of sinners; regardless of the corrupt angel’s options. Even placing them in hell would be funny, Lilith has a special place for Adam
The main issue I have with this theory is that it heavily assumes that the backstory provided by Charlie is 100% accurate. The thing is, Charlie is an unreliable narrator, especially this early into the series. She never actually experienced any of those events, and any knowledge she does have would likely come from her father and mother. It’s entirely possible that the backstory provided by Charlie was told in way to make Lucifer and Lilith seem more righteous and innocent than they actually are. Paradise Lost, which seems to be the main influence for Lucifer in Hazbin Hotel, depicts Lucifer as lying, manipulative, and deceitful especially towards his own followers. It’s entirely possible that Lucifer is hiding something to make himself seem more like a victim.
Also Their was also a Big event that happen before dear old Luci was banish from Heaven pretty sure it was a real Big huge Rebellion a conflict called The War in Heaven.
I think its definitely possible that the story Charlie reads represents reality more optimistic that what really happened but that would be too predictable for the twist to be surprise Lucifer is really a bad guy after all. That would be the lamest way to go.
Exactly the book that Charlie is reading in the beginning is a twisted story far away from the actual truth written by her parents so they will look good in Charlie's eyes
I wonder, how much of Adam's behavior in his meeting with Charlie was an act to provoke her into getting angry, thus giving him an excuse to half the timespan until the next Extermination? Because he notably doesn't swear ONCE when alone with Lute. He's definitely more cunning than he lets on.
Why Adam was allowed into heaven: literally because he didn't eat the fruit. Hence, he never gained knowledge of good and evil, and lived his life in ignorant innocence of it all, as intended. You can't commit evil if you don't know what evil is
And that statement is wrong on so many levels. Rather you know what evil is or not, you are never safe from either side. And that probably makes it even worse. When you are literally shown what you did wrong, you have the choice to either change your way or stay the way you were. And that choice shows what kind of person you are.
@@taratheshinyabsol768 uhhh, no. Having not eaten the fruit, Adam would be in a state of perpetual technical innocence. His actions having no good or evil intent or meaning. It's his get-out-of-jail-free card for his attitude. He is innocent and therefore technically cannot commit sin
@@taratheshinyabsol768 nah I'm pretty sure when asked what got someone into heaven they all just kinda shrugged their shoulders. If they don't know, then either some entity they don't know chooses, OR it's based on some kinda algorithm that just auto sorts souls. Following that, assuming it's the latter, Adam got in because his technical innocence made it not possible to judge his soul. Or this could be following "The Good Place" logic and he got in because as the first human there weren't that many sins for him to be able to commit before he died
Adam just gave prove of: -Lust: from what he says he likes to have "fun" with other angels -Gluttony: he ate a lot of ribs, and he is also pretty chubby -Wrath: he likes killing people -Sloth: he was too lazy to go down to hell for talking to Charlie -Pride: have you heard how he talks about himself? Only Greed and Envy are missing, but he probably envies Lucifer for "stealing" his wife...
@Hdkxubw dude, heaven and hell in HH are diffrent than the ones in the bible, and so are the characters. This isn't a story about black and white, its about things seen as black and white, evil and good, but are grey in actuality.
I think all the executioner angels, the exorcists, Lute and Adam are all demons that rose to become angels. Why do you think they look like more like demons?
Viv actually said before that the reason angels look like demons is because when angels go to hell, they gain a demonic form. its possible thats changed of course, but i kinda doubt it
No, that doesn't really make sense. It kind of undermines the whole plot of the show. Nobody ever rose to become an angel before. And if the exorcists were demons that became angels, do not think they would have more sympathy for the demons?
I'm also interested in the idea that maybe Charlie is an unreliable narrator when telling the story of creation and the first sin. Where maybe it's the story Lucifer and Lilith told her. She's telling the story SHE knows, but not the one that actually happened.
Keep in mind that Viv has stated there were 5 seasons planned. So her arc for Charlie is not going to be ended within a season. I suspect she is going to ping pong the antagonist each season. She will be forced to change goals this season from salvation to defending. She will have to fight back the angels and create a safe place for sinners to heal. The healing aspect seems to be a theme in Viv's work. And she has a keen eye for what gives rise to people's destructive behaviour. So once she has the angels held for for the time being she will turn her gaze to what is causing Hell to be so toxic. And it stems from daddy. Lucifer and how he set the whole circus up pits everyone against each other. Giving no one time or place to heal. So she has to contend with daddy. Whether she can restore his spark of life or has to topple him (I suspect restoration for him) remains to be seen. But then after that conflict is resolved she can turn her gaze to reforming heaven and finding god.
I thought it was only three seasons... Pretty sure she stated that somewhere very recently but I gotta check that again now Edit: She said it in a live stream and it was not recent but I do think she tweeted about it too?
I think Adam is very underrated character. Vivienne Medrano and other animators wrote on Twitter that he is one of their favorite characters, he was a blast to write, he was blast to watch. Some people says that Adam similar to chaz, that's not true. Unlike chaz, Adam has much more personality, and i love him. In the beginning he is just pranking charlie, and it's just pranks, not even a sex jokes. He talked about his d in one second moment, first it's just a pranks, third, he talked about his unlucky date, after that he explains to charlie about his black and white views. And he didn't tempted, seduced or lured to anyone in this episode at all unlike Chaz. Adam likes rock, he is talented singer, his song is amazing, he has an issue of anequal communication with women(make sence), his favorite food is ribs (funny reference if you remember what his second wife is made of), he is overall charismatic douchebag, and i love him for that. Also Chaz has gross scenes, like licking his lips, Adam doesn't have any of that shit.
Adam definitely seems to have more going on then just being a strawman dudebro, and my thought is that he probably uses times like these when he's (sort of) out of Heaven to 'cut loose' and act like a total dick(master) since he probably can't actually do that up in Heaven itself. Plus he's dealing with a demon (Charlie) so why the hell should he care if he offends her? Guy's laughing his ass off watching Charlie honestly push the idea of redemption for demons because he knows her plan has no chance because overpopulation in Hell was never actually the issue. So why not just have fun with the bleeding-heart? But end of episode 1 does reveal that he seems to be much more canny and willing to actually think things through and strategize unlike his second Lute who wanted to just rush down to Hell and slaughter everyone, but he rightfully points out that doing it that quick would tip the demons off that Heaven was actually freaked out by the incident, so instead he makes a big grand display and plays the part of "Oh man I just love killing demons so much I can't wait a whole year so gonna be back in half time!"
@@DelightfullyMADD Well, actually, Lute’s Plan would probably have worked. The longer they spend planning, the more people in Hell that’ll figure out what happened to that Angel. Six Months would tip them off that something else is going on in Heaven and they’ll probably prepare for it. A surprise Attack with all of Heaven’s Might to cleanse the Perdition once and for all could’ve been a better strategy.
To be honest, the angels from Hazbin Hotel remind me of Alice Angel from Bendy and the ink machine, it's the same thing, only Boris in this world ended up in hell and there are thousands of Alices.
If they do bring God into the story, I really hope they don't go the stereotypical "subversion" route and just make God the ironic Ultimate Evil. I'd rather God be much more in line with the Deist idea of the Divine Watchmaker... God basically forged creation and the angels, and once everything was up and running he went off to do other things, convinced that his creation would run itself. If God does come back and sees what's happened, I would much rather it be him showing up, looking around, then looking at the angels and gently but firmly asking "So... what ya been doin kids? I was only gone for a few millennia and you've done _this_ ?" Another idea I had would have God actually go to Hell, disguised as a lowly sinner who opts to join Charlie's hotel. He then proceeds to very subtly and gently keep Charlie on the path she's on, maybe giving her some lowkey encouragement when it seems like she's loosing her spark. He specifically never solves any of her problems, because in the end it's important for his creation to solve it's own issues, but there's nothing wrong with the Watchmaker occasionally giving his creation a quick tuneup is there?
We saw that Adam was playing Charlie a bit, he was pissed about the loss of one of his angels. He didn't want to show his hand, maybe the whole reason he agreed to the meeting was to fish for information, at that point he didn't know for sure if the missing angel was dead, or at least lacked the body to confirm it, he also didn't know how the angel died or by whom. Charlie "Those are my people" Adam, "Must suck for you", was he just being ass there, or was he avoiding saying what he really felt? My theory is he was fishing, that was the whole point. But then again Vizziepop almost had smart or interesting villains in Helluva Boss and teases more complexity and then simply falls flat on it. I hope a little more care was put into Hazbin in terms of character motivations not being so one dimensional. That's the whole problem here is the creator has failed to do complexity before and just opts for instant resolutions.
The story given at the start of episode 1 is likely what Lilith told Charlie and is probably embroidered. I like to think the resolution will be that everybody sees the error of their ways, saints and sinners, angels and demons. And those with a true spark of goodness within them, whether in Heaven or Hell, will come together to establish a new and fairer order in the cosmos.
A: You need to be a writer for this show. B: "You look at everything as Black & White, & you can't. It's a bunch of different colors. A rainbow of feelings that are always changing." - Star Butterfly.
I think Eve's gonna be like, the angel of the passage between heaven and hell. She commited the worst sin, so her punishment is that she is so close to hell, yet isn't in it
Ooh, glad someone else thought Adam might not have eaten the fruit! One idea I had about the Tree of Knowledge is that it was always supposed to be there, Eve and Adam were going to eat it eventually to prepare for outside threats. So when Lucifer gave one apple to Eve, he didn’t think anything of it. The Original Sin was either that she ate it too early, or it was something else entirely (side-eyes Adam), OR it never existed, it was a lie because evil was there from the start! Anyway, Eve tries to get Adam to eat the Forbidden Fruit. He refuses because he knows it was Lucifer who gave it to her; maybe he saw their exchange through the bushes, maybe another angel told him that Lucifer made the tree. Either way, he refuses, because he HATES Lucifer. At this point, Adam is basically an ignorant child who thinks he’s owed the world, but more than ignorant he’s AFRAID. Of evil, of the dark, most of all of loneliness. And it’s so easy to blame Lucifer. Lilith leaves him? Lucifer stole her away. Eve tries to have some time for herself? Lucifer lured her away. Eve comes back with a sus apple? It’s Lucifer’s ploy, Lucifer’s trying to take everything away from him and ruin his life! All of Eve’s pleadings fall on deaf ears, and Adam remains ignorant of everyone beyond himself for the rest of his life. Which brings us to present day. The gang gets ahold of one of the original Fruits of Knowledge, somehow, and determines that their win condition is getting Adam to eat it. But how? Well, if you look at the trading cards we can see Adam drinking a soda cup. His attitude is that of a stereotypical college frat boy-what if he’s defeated through college frat means? Yeah that’s fuckin right, the gang purées the Fruit and ROOFIES Adam’s drink. And then he fuckin dies (of the crushing, overwhelming weight of all the wrongs he’s done for millennia) Or… maybe not? The idea character arc for him, to me, would be him dealing with this newfound knowledge and apologizing to Eve. If the theory that Eve became the Root of all Evil is true ALONG with everything above, then it would mean she was corrupted entirely by the selfishness of other people. Adam realizes this. He’s crushed by the guilt, by the memories of how selflessly Eve loved him and their children. And now she’s like this. He’ll do anything to bring her back.
The idea that the Angels were the real source of all sin makes SO much sense It really shows why and how they're so damn shady, they know the truth but they refuse to accept that they are beyond flawed creatures just because they're all powerful heavenly beings
My fan theory: Adam has been planning to instigate a war between Heaven and hell for a long time. The first hints we got were during Helluva Boss. One thing all the characters remarked on was how Striker was able to acquire advanced Angel weapons. That’s because Adam authorized them to be provided. Even though Stella hired Striker to kill Stolas out of jealousy, this was more of a convenience for Adam. His true goal was for a demon prince to be killed by an Angel weapon, thus spurring hell into retaliating. Once they retaliate, the Angels would have a clear justification to exterminate the populace of hell on the grounds of self-defense.
Your interpretations/theories are so interesting and work perfectly with what the show is going for, at least from what we know and what we've seen so far ! I also really liked your idea on God's character.
Charlie hugging is grandpa would be so cool I hope God does turn out to be a sweetheart like Charlie it’ll feel like Charlie have someone to relate too in her own family when u think about it
honestly this show is really interesting to watch as a Christian myself. I like comparing what I know from teachings vs how this show takes it's own unique spin on things, I'm really curious how it'll end too. I really like your theory and it would be interesting if we got an answer on the whole "God is missing" picture.
Maybe in this universe when god created the angels it used up too much power it killed them leaving the angels alone to create everything else and the reason the cherubs don’t want to say his name in vain in same way you wouldn’t want someone speaking ill of your dead family member.
@@justice8718i was talking about the fictional hasbin hotel universe version of god since he don’t is not mention much in this story all. I have no intentions of blasphemy.
Seems to me like God is the bureaucratic body of the higher angels of this world. Maybe the angels pretend that they have a direct line to God when God never existed in the first place, at least not in the form that we know of.
@@koxbalon correction: that means he would be contradictory to the biblical god who is limitless and eternal- most of the other gods of different religions arent really like the biblical god either
A season 2 is confirmed and no doubt soon or already in the works. All I do know for certain is the story isn't ending after a single season of 8 episodes. Plus, let's not forget Roo (whether she's Eve or not).
Another reason why Adam could be in heaven is that if the angles blamed sin on the forbidden fruit, which Adam never ate, it would be a bad look if he was still cast into hell.
I think eve might be one of the seven deadly sins we haven’t met yet. Also, all the exterminators, including Adam were probably kicked out of heaven and they haven’t told anybody.
If your theory is true, then eve would probably be the fill in for satan/demon of wrath cause well belphegor represents sloth and leviathan represents envy which i feel both make absolutely no sense for eve. But however I do believe she is that one character named roo.
Knowing that all angels with imp like horns are adam and his descendants, and seeing how similar adam and fizz are (And honestly imps as a whole, especially when you consider they're from the pride ring) Makes me also think that adam may have gotten down to business with a demon on one visit
I do think it's significant that the angel said that angels never make mistakes, especially when she follows up in the coming episodes with admitting to you're mistakes being the first step to redemption, or something along those lines (can't remember the exact line, Snake dude apologizing for ripping Alisters shirt)
Vivzie talked about how she created her world based on her own RL experiences and pain that she was put through, in an interview once. What I find interesting is that "God's" angels punish while he doesn't exist presently? Took a vacay? ....Sounds like religion IRL., or rather, what controlling Christians do in present day. A Christian that tries to control others and push their religion onto others are basically the "adam" of the story, while people should actually be striving to be like Charlie, who gives people a choice and encourages but never forces.
That cuz now days people are focus on: "Bad bad bad, im right, praise me for being right cuz nothing i do is wrong and this show sucks cuz it dont appeal to my general taste in what i like in media when the creator of the show explicitly told them this was her own story shared to them because she just wanted to tell a good story .... But hey none of that matters cus this characters swear alot and look like shit from my perspective give me likes and share lol, im right see ya" Ps. Not to mention the most recent drama that making me loath the amount of people allows to use the internet i swear to god.
@sailorstar3148 thanks even if the show don't end as he predicted I have faith in vivs vision for the show and I'll like to give everything created for fun the benefit to grow when it recently starting.
@@ianjomarcaraballorodriguez6224 There was a video of someone talking about how saying that the ” getting rid of the overpopulation problem” is just a cover-up so that demons won’t rise against angels and that makes it a bit more suspicious when sinners aren’t allowed in the other rings. It’s almost like the exterminators want sinners to be trapped
It be cool to see where Eve is at the moment. She's been absent after the story charlie telss so hopefully she might give light to whats goin on and may have the real story of creation that might match the theory
The way I see the story at the beginning of the show is that it seems one sided, like whoever made it was hiding something. A few shows do this, where they tell you one story and later on near the end of a season usually it tells you a different version of the story. The way I think is going to work is that the angles have their own version of what happened, and it’s going to be up to the main characters to find the truth in both versions.
@@dumiam3752 so far we have only seen Adam, we haven’t seen the main angles yet maybe thy are way different than the story says. Please if you are at war with someone your first thing to do is to make everyone on your side believe that the other person is evil, make them think that it’s us versus them.
Hc that Hell later becomes Purgatory. Aka the place where you go after you die while being too sinful to go straight to Heaven but where you can redeem yourself and go to Heaven later.
Something I was thinking as to why Adam became such a big important angel was because of the 2 original people (Adam and Eve) since Eve became such a symbol of darkness they used Adam to be a symbol of light similar to the capital using Peta as a symbol of the capital and their values while Katniss was a symbol of rebellion. For those who have seen the hungergames
Isnt Hazbin already greenlit for a second season? It would be jumping the gun a bit to introduce God into the show this season except as a reference at the end
If they are going to introduce God in this season, they really should make it a vague introduction. Like when they introduce a character sitting in a chair, only showing them from behind, or only showing someone's shadow or silhouette. I'm not quite sure how that would look with God, but I'm sure they could think of something
In some versions Ada doesn't bite the fruit of knowledge , he is sleeping and Eve sqeezes it's juices into his mouth after he refused it , forcing the sin upon him .
I like your theory. I personally hope that pilot Angel's quote of double hell becomes a legit thing where the god of Hazbin universe secretly "saved" those who were exterminated and that god planned all of this and wraps up the story in a true happy ending. I doubt it... but I love happy endings with all loose ends wrapped up.
1. I find that the harshest lessons in life are the ones that result in self-inflictions. 2. I believe that the higher authority tends to be the voice that isn't clearly heard, but the direction is very obvious. 3."When you do the right thing, it'll be like you didn't do anything at all."
Your point about Adam made me think of 2 possible things, 1 of which was possibly hinted at in the recent episodes too. 1. When Adam says he "hasn't made a mistake in his life", he may have solely meant "while he was alive" meaning he's made many mistakes since being dead - and Charlie seems to be suggesting this too in saying that if souls in hell can't be redeemed then souls in heaven must be getting away with whatever they want even if it's a sin. Or 2, and this is one I think could be more likely: The whole key is perception. As you've touched on in the video, it's possible Adam genuinely believes he's never made a single mistake. Maybe the reason Adam hasn't fallen is because he just genuinely believes he deserves to be in heaven. It would explain Lucifer, who looks like a demon rather than just being an angel in hell - if he believes that things going wrong was his fault and that he deserves to be in hell since the other angels told him that, that may have changed him. It would also explain why Angel Dust hasn't been able to go to heaven despite all the improvement - because the "conditions to get into heaven" they're struggling to work out primarily include that the person themself needs to genuinely believe they deserve to go to/be in heaven, which with Angel Dust's backstory as we know it is something he would have difficulty believing even if told.
@@Luci_197 Except Sir Pentius was too insecure and ashamed of his past to ever dare believe he deserved Heaven, heroic self-sacrifice or not, yet he still got there in the end. So that kind of debunks option 2.
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14:20 Thats not called being a good person, thats called being a doormat. seriously if he was omnipotent he would have been able to see that his kids would not change unless he corrects them.
I remember Viv say that she didn’t feel comfortable making god a character in this universe. I don’t know if she elaborated on it, but I do think it’s valid.
@@njivwathomassilavwe2056so true they both seen the show on opposite ways chorus want to create a image of what the show should be on the way he wants
exactly that why i hate sarcastic chorus cus dude is just been way to negative on the first 4 episode about them rushing and all that dude didn't even understand camila part of the story and was calling it trash and waste of time like bruh dude it 8 episode for the first season what does he expect it so fucking annoying @@dukcboy912
Those are very good explanations and I'm hoping they're correct. I was assuming that God used up his power to create the world, angels and humans. That's why he's absence and can't really do much. But I like your idea more. I also want that Charlie and God hug at the end of the show. Gonna be one of the cutest things. It makes sense that the excorcist's love to kill the demons. It's kinda like if you're happy that something bad is happening to someone you hate. Well maybe not terrible things, just bad things. As an angel it is your duty to protect the good in the world. Sinners who did really bad stuff deserved their fate on the surface. Sadly many bad things happens out of defense, hopelessness and other reasons.
im telling you one of these days I really going to want a spinoff series just based on Adam and Lute I don't know if it's just me but the dynamic between them is so cute and I so could see them dating
When fin said "and we get to see Charlie visit her Grandpapa God" my brain then said "and her uncle Big J'z" aka Jesus....actually thats another question, were the heck is he?
If Adam never ate the Apple, then all of the male humans in this universe don't have "Adam's apple" in their throats(that bumpy thing on male's throats). I just realized that😭
I love the theory of Adam never eating the forbidden fruit, and that's why he is such a jerk who can't know good and evil. Imagine having a father like it (aka Kein and Hevel)
My theory with God is that he's on vacation or some shit. Like Supernatural. He's secretly watching both win battles and lose them. I think Charlie is going to be the reason God comes back and he gives the okay for her plan.
You made some interesting points that I can get behind. Seeing Adam act the way he does completely threw me off and I've been curious about how he's an angel. And watching your video, I noticed something... I'm a (filthy) casual watcher of both Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss, so I don't know every aspect of the lore or what info has been revealed via Vivsie or other sources. With that said, did anyone else notice that the depiction of Eve in Charlie's retelling....has wide, long hair? A feature that looks similar to one of the main characters? With your theory that Eve is in Hell, could it be possible that Vaggie is her in demon form? I don't know a thing about the character, but a few things shown in the pilot and the first four episodes (haven't seen episode 5 yet) could suggest she is. She doesn't trust anyone besides Charlie, someone you theorize is just like her grandfather, God and her demon form could be her hurt manifesting into what she is now. I'm probably wrong and just grasping at straws, but it's fun to think about.
@@dumiam3752 Upon further thought, I realized the major flaw in my theory. That being Vaggie admitting Angel has been in Hell longer than her. If she were Eve, she would’ve been in Hell much longer than him. Theory busted. 😅
I have a suspicion that god in this universe is some nerdy pimply faced teenager too distracted with playing Minecraft in his neglected room to pay attention to what's going on anywhere else. Like playing a videogame about working and making stuff is just easier than actually doing it. He looks at life and all creation just as another game that he got bored with, and that's why everything is falling apart.
As someone who grew up christian and still can't really tell if I believe it or not, I got to say that no one has pointed out something that feels really obvious to me. Charlie isn't just one of the few good people in the show, she's basically a Christ analogue. She's in hell trying to redeem the damned. Sounds like literally what Jesus is said to have done in the three days after he died. And Emily is essentially heaven's Charlie. Interested to see what they do with these two.
Well, turns out Adam was the one who got the idea of Extermination and most of heaven had no idea it happened...even the elders. As for why he got to heaven..why would heavens punish mortals for the very sin they themselves are guilty of ? And don't forget that he was the first man...he didn't really have the opportunity to commit a whole lot of sins like murder or theft...
I think Alan Grant said it best in JP 3, "Some of the worst things in histoory have been done with good intentions." that exact quote is why i ignore peoples intentions 90% of the time and only look at thier actions and the insueing results of their actions.
The idea that pure ignorance is what leads to evil is a fascinating take, and I think it's entirely accurate. Remember, ignorance itself is not a crime nor a sin; it's when you willfully choose to refuse to learn. That's when ignorance becomes intentional stupidity, and that's what leads to a LOT of problems here in our own real world.
I have a theory that Alistair was recruited by Lilith for a special task seeing as they have both been gone 7 years. And then he's come back to either get close to Charley to get some info on Lilith or get close to the morningstar family in general
I assumed that the reason Adam got into heaven was because was if the angels acknowledged that he was a piece of shit, they’d have to acknowledge that they make mistakes and they can’t bring themselves to do that
Or the fact that adam was never evil and if we're looking at the Bible he probably ate the apple of knowledge of good and evil after eve tempted him to do I high doubt that the angles would let adam live if he was nothing but corrupted if they were trying to get the perfect world
Ironic. Considering the one being that should embody pride, Lucifer is down in hell, while these twats are up in the clouds
If G-d acted out of justice the Heaven would be empty, because all people sin.
But he is acting out of Mercy. That's why it is not the case.
To get in Heaven you don't need to be perfect.
@@АлексейПлакхинye but Adam is really far from perfect lol
Lucifer:
"angel don't make mistakes"
Charlie " so my dad was right when he gave the fruit to humans?"
That would have been a great comeback 😁.
"Obviously your dad was never a true angel in the first place" is the answer I'd expect to that
That's muslim version, but this is clearly Christian Hell.
@@wuk6370out of nowhere I'll appear and say "You mean the LITERAL golden child wasn't a true angel? Someone's salty God didn't love them!"
Lucifer was already Fallen .
I think the Carmilla was able to kill an angel because she was protecting someone. As the angels are becoming evil over time, they are leaving themselves vulnerable to a force of good that can harm them. That can be an incentive for more demons to become good. But they will have to truly be good in order to take out angels with bad intentions.
So you are the real weapon that killed the angel was carmillas goodness compared to the angels sin? That would actually be pretty cool
@@dumiam3752if that’s the case, Charlie could kill all the angels with one hand tied behind her back 😂
If Adam was a human, are the other exorcists? Maybe angelic weapons are just as effective on them as they are the sinners, it would stand to reason. As arms dealer she easily has angelic weapons at her disposal. It's probably going to be something simple like that.
Wow, this is actually a really reasonable theory, I like it!
Which could also mean... that anyone who passes Charlie's rehabilitation programm could do the same
Meaning charlie is actually building an army without knowing it
My canon is that since only Eve ate the apple of "the knowledge of good and evil," only Eve and humans know the difference between good and evil. The angels literally believe they're perfect because they don't even know what evil is. That's why Adam said he never did anything wrong, the exorcist said angels are never wrong, and why the cherubs in Helluva boss were such assholes.
Edit: I was half right. In episode 6, none of the angels know what gets someone into heaven. And they also seemed pretty clueless when Charlie asked them what makes someone in hell different from someone in heaven. Only Adam responded to her, and even then he just listed blatantly obvious stuff like no stealing. It seems like they are clueless to why everything happens the way it does, and don't care enough to stop it.
Were the cherubs actually assholes? Because it seemed like the actual assholes just pushed them too far to the point they retaliated.
I like this idea
Can't know you failed at what you don't know how to do.
Actually makes me like him as a character more, head-cannoning this until proven otherwise
This is right, without morality. You are just an empty.
Eve is probably Roo aka the Root of all Evil. The oldest Sinner in Hell. Imagine how ungodly powerful she must be
that would make sense
Lilith is the first sinner.
@@stardustwight1895 not really, she’s the mother of demons. She was cast into hell after Eve committed original sin, and had no part in it.
@@chilliicecream5456 She also murders children in the original lore. I don't think we can use the Abrahamic mythos to extrapolate things about the Hazbin/Helluva universe. Vivzie has very much deviated from events as described in scripture or apocryphal texts.
Hey i have a though, what if alaster got his powers from Roo in a deal
I think introducing God as a character now is waaaay to early. Feels like a... last moment in the series finally kina thing. Would be cool if Charlie had a convo with her grandfather at the end if the show
A duet between Charlie and God would be a lovely way to end
I’m also (ironically) praying that they don’t make God into an asshole
@Wyvernatus It's modern-day millennial writing in an industry that is actively pushing satanic imagery in music and performances they can't not make god an asshole or incompetent.
@@Wyvernatus I was kind of hoping that heaven wasn’t going to be run by a bunch of jerks in general. God being an asshole is really like, “well then, what’s the point?” There’s no hope and no redemption if the creator is evil.
it feels weird for God to be the main villain. I think the angels are the main villain God was good it’s just that the angels were.
power hungry or something
Given Viv said shes uncomfortable with depecting god in this show or helluva boss. I doubt we'll see god. Maybe hear of them but see them maybe.
Where can I find where she said that?
I feel it kinda makes since, with how easily angry her fan base is, she might be scared to offend anyone if she did try to depict him, but that’s just my theory
Wasn't there a clip or vid where she mentioned in the universe, she is the Goddess? I think I saw someone mentioned it in this comment section too
Great for her, we fans want God.
Im sorry but im already offended. If your going to tell us the story of genesis, rewriting it to fit your story? You better atleast have God in there. Otherwise this isnt right.@@cinnamonbeanbaby444
Adam: “I have never done anything wrong, ever, in my life.”
Heaven: “I know this and I love you for it.”
It was those women's faults.
Sounds like a Dark Knight Returns reference.
He ate an apple
@@hellfoxwolf14I don't think he ate the apple, Viv is not following any biblical view of heaven or hell, we don't see him eat it like we see eve.
Money pleaseeeeeee!
It's important to know that Charlie is reading a book with likely a very biased perspective. To her, this is the truth because it's what she grew up with. She may have a different personality and beliefs from her parents, but she does have a level of trust in them from being raised with them.
Her mother has been out of touch for seven years still going, and her dad only just talked to her to cover going to an unwanted meeting for him.
Plus, everyone keeps poking at Charlie's daddy issues. This show is as much about her growth as it is anyone's. She might have to face some shattering truths that her parents (mother most likely) can't cover up with a story book.
Yes i see this yo be true but knowing the time we,re in viviz probably ment this to be true
I like this theory most of all. Its the only one that makes sense given how close they follow the Abrahamic religions. Sure its got its own twist, but its followed close enough. Lucifer has to be lying.
End of the day, Alastor knows something. But he and Lilith have been gone the same amount of time, and the way he stared at the picture of Charlies parents in the pilot, he knows something, and it's got to be whatever twisted plan he has cooking for Charlie. I get the feeling Vox knows too since he knows Alastor is after Charlie.
I would like to add further to this, by making a very bold theory; Adam and the exorcists…. Are demons in actuality; hired by Lucifer, to make sure that people lose hope that there is no way they can be redeemed. I have a few ways to support my theory;
Adam’s behavior does not seem very angelic, he seems to be very sadistic something that Heaven would not allow, furthermore; why was Lucifer be going to a meeting in heaven, if he was KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN?! my thoughts is that he deliberately set up Charlie to fail
This honestly sounds like it could be the story of how purgatory came to be.
A place where people can repent for their sins and still get a chance to go to heaven even if they sinned in their lives.
Oh f- Never tough about it, in that world there wasn't even mentioned a purgatory meabe, it's the explanation
Why not both purgatory and limbo?
Whats the difference@@davidketron4932
What if Purgatory does exist...but is extremely small and is still processing someone?
@rhazortrhazort3003 If it is like the anime death parade, then ok, I will take it.
Honestly, I believe Eve was one of the first sinners to permanently die in the Exterminations. Hell, I'd put money on Adam going out of his way to kill her the first chance he got.
To me, Adam is the one that proposed the extermination to get back at eve and lilith. And he keeps holding them until he knows they are dead, since he clearly controls the extermination dates
That makes a lot of sense because they never showed Eve and I really thought they replaced her biblically with Lilith.
Actualyl she is probably ailve still.
LEt us make a guses that Eve and Lilith and probably identical twins. Adam would want his new wife to look just like the old one. And so she was made that, but more submissive. Vulnerable to his imamature behavior.
The motivation for giving eve the fruit was to give her the will to fight back against these abuses.
LEt us fast forward, likely both litlih and eve alike fell to hell. People ahve thought' would eve be angry' but why would she be? Tbhey gave her freedom! So let us presume they had a good relationship. Though they both schemed and plotted.
Then the exterminations began. And they grew all the more furious at how things were goign. Buut let us presume this. AT some point, Heaven promised something, in exchange for Eve to return to heaven, return to Adam. MAybe related to Carhlie's existence.
But as they were identical and adam and heaven are unlikel to notice, Lilith took eve's place to protect her. While Eve ended up staying in hell, taking lilith's identity and raising charlie. But..... an evil is in her, a hatred, and she had plans and schemes, made all the worse from losing her sister to heaven .
This would explain why there are suspiciously 2 painting depicting a very similar scene in lucifers mancave/craftshop. Both showing charlie, lilith, and him in a happy moment. Only two though.... Only two.
and if you notice, there are differences between two depictions of lilith.
@@taddad2641 i agree she is alive but i would like to think she isn't Lilith but she is no one we know. And she has been helping build infernal infrastructure, And teaching a chosen few like Carmella how to fight and kill angels and she herself is doing it on the outskirts of the pride ring outside of the city. My secondary interpretation is that along with gaining consciousness Eve gained great knowledge. So she keeps tabs on hell to find good people, people who deserve to survive. And Carmella learned from her and taught Vaggie with eves permission. Or shes roo or just a disheveld old women outside of pentagram city or your theory.
I think it would be such a waste of a potentially very interesting character if she just died in the first extermination. I also don’t think Adam is like that, he liked to see the people he hates suffer.
Look at Charlie, he hates her and just taunts her when he could just kill her. It’s only when Charlie is an actual threat he tries to kill her. And I would argue he’d never actually see Eve as a threat so long as she’s in Hell. Charlie is the first one that makes him think these people could actually be a threat to him.
“It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues.” - Abraham Lincoln
"Them's what quotes the bible often has less of it in them than anyone else" - captain long john silver
Often but not always is the truth told by the quiet, and the lies told by the loud.
Goodness is fruitful. Evil is destructive. Evil can not create, only find new ways to destroy.
God does not play dice. -Albert Einstein
Crazy theories: Not even angels know if there is an actual Lord or Creator in their universe.
It was not the Forbidden Fruit being eaten that caused evil to rise in Earth, it was the terrible things Eve and Adam did when they finally got the knowledge from the fruit.
There are times when Lilith goes to Earth to take a vacation from the whole mess of Hell and Heaven of her world, and that is why she has been missing for seven years.
ooOOoo! Interesting. I wonder if this might be a Demiurge situation as well. Fake God that believes they are the actual God. The oldest of the Angels could be this, and just claim to be an Angel for some reason
Meeh no
I sometimes think that's what happens irl in all of the living planets if there are more out there
To me, probably God doesn't exist on this story and Angels made him/her up in order to justify their power haha
That wouldn't reallllyyyyyy make sense , cuz the cherub mention god and there was a poster with god's quote ( the quote might be fake tho )
Honestly what would be really interesting is the series ending with Charlie being in charge of Purgatory since the hotel is basically a smaller version of it.
Queen of purgatory!! 🎉
I have a suspicion this is where the show is going to be honest, although probably after the Great War.
I would love that 😄
What if Hell in this show is actually purgatory??? 🤔
I love the idea of god gaslighting himself to think that the elder angels can change
@BiblicallyAccurateSpiderman Yeah dude, denial includes fucking ghaslighting yourself.
Doesn't the bible say women suffer pain during childbirth because of Eve making Adam eat the fruit? So in Hazbin, there may be a chance that the angels saw it all as HER fault and Adam as innocent. Adam gets rewarded as leader of the angel army while Eve... my theory is that she went to hell and is the very first "real" evil person in this story.
I think the church considers her hellbound as well. A price must be paid for her transgression.
They were both told not to eat the fruit, and Adam was complying with that order. Eve was the one who ate the fruit first, and then decided to persuade Adam to do the same. That means that after gaining knowledge of good and evil, Eve chose to tempt Adam into commiting sin. Therefor, her punishment was more severe than Adam's, because he did not possess the knowledge needed to make an informed decision.
@@NyrufaI've also heard that Adam was brought for questioning before God and he vehemently blamed Eve with no remorse/ regret of his own, for that he would work the land with his own sweat which depending on the one who preaches is as bad as birth-pain
That's paradise lost, not the Bible
@@lanecatlin181no, they mention that as punishment women must suffer having children and being the second in command to men. They also mention that men will suffer working from the earth dust. Basically sexism, mysoginy and misandry come from religions in some way irl
If we go with that logic then there's also the chance that the other angels don't like Adam and he only rules the lowest ring of heaven and if he dies during the exterminations there isn't gonna be a big loss, basically he was given a useless "Important" job that doesn't impact the rest of heaven only to get rid of him.
Honestly make sense.
There are no rings in Heaven.
Oh there was no extermination plan, it’s all Adam’s stupid idea and the higher ups don’t care if it gets him or anyone else in hell killed
@@lucaselchidoris4637it is not called rings, but there are several levels of heaven for sure.
@@АлексейПлакхин I just don't see why there should be. Heaven is an equal paradise for all beings. I'm interested to hear your argument, though.
I got a feeling that Charlie’s grandfather is going to give her that redemption of sinners; regardless of the corrupt angel’s options. Even placing them in hell would be funny, Lilith has a special place for Adam
The main issue I have with this theory is that it heavily assumes that the backstory provided by Charlie is 100% accurate. The thing is, Charlie is an unreliable narrator, especially this early into the series. She never actually experienced any of those events, and any knowledge she does have would likely come from her father and mother. It’s entirely possible that the backstory provided by Charlie was told in way to make Lucifer and Lilith seem more righteous and innocent than they actually are. Paradise Lost, which seems to be the main influence for Lucifer in Hazbin Hotel, depicts Lucifer as lying, manipulative, and deceitful especially towards his own followers. It’s entirely possible that Lucifer is hiding something to make himself seem more like a victim.
Yeah, I'm guessing that the story is only half true.
Holy moly i never thought of that
Also Their was also a Big event that happen before dear old Luci was banish from Heaven pretty sure it was a real Big huge Rebellion a conflict called The War in Heaven.
I think its definitely possible that the story Charlie reads represents reality more optimistic that what really happened but that would be too predictable for the twist to be surprise Lucifer is really a bad guy after all. That would be the lamest way to go.
Exactly the book that Charlie is reading in the beginning is a twisted story far away from the actual truth written by her parents so they will look good in Charlie's eyes
I wonder, how much of Adam's behavior in his meeting with Charlie was an act to provoke her into getting angry, thus giving him an excuse to half the timespan until the next Extermination? Because he notably doesn't swear ONCE when alone with Lute. He's definitely more cunning than he lets on.
Later context proves this to be untrue.
@@BOYVIRGO666 I was wrong. He is exactly as much of a piece of shit as he seems.
Why would he need an excuse?
Why Adam was allowed into heaven: literally because he didn't eat the fruit.
Hence, he never gained knowledge of good and evil, and lived his life in ignorant innocence of it all, as intended.
You can't commit evil if you don't know what evil is
And that statement is wrong on so many levels. Rather you know what evil is or not, you are never safe from either side. And that probably makes it even worse. When you are literally shown what you did wrong, you have the choice to either change your way or stay the way you were. And that choice shows what kind of person you are.
@@taratheshinyabsol768 uhhh, no. Having not eaten the fruit, Adam would be in a state of perpetual technical innocence. His actions having no good or evil intent or meaning. It's his get-out-of-jail-free card for his attitude. He is innocent and therefore technically cannot commit sin
@@josh678595 Yeah...... isn't that what the more powerful angles are saying?
@@taratheshinyabsol768 nah I'm pretty sure when asked what got someone into heaven they all just kinda shrugged their shoulders.
If they don't know, then either some entity they don't know chooses, OR it's based on some kinda algorithm that just auto sorts souls.
Following that, assuming it's the latter, Adam got in because his technical innocence made it not possible to judge his soul.
Or this could be following "The Good Place" logic and he got in because as the first human there weren't that many sins for him to be able to commit before he died
Adam just gave prove of:
-Lust: from what he says he likes to have "fun" with other angels
-Gluttony: he ate a lot of ribs, and he is also pretty chubby
-Wrath: he likes killing people
-Sloth: he was too lazy to go down to hell for talking to Charlie
-Pride: have you heard how he talks about himself?
Only Greed and Envy are missing, but he probably envies Lucifer for "stealing" his wife...
Adam is angry that all his children are damned to sin because of Lilith and Lucifer. It’s why every sane and normal person should hate hell
@@Hdkxubw So he murders his own children...
@@RC-xl8se they are trash, it’s literal hell dude
@Hdkxubw dude, heaven and hell in HH are diffrent than the ones in the bible, and so are the characters. This isn't a story about black and white, its about things seen as black and white, evil and good, but are grey in actuality.
@@balkan495 that’s cause you have the mindset of a special lil kid. (Show isn’t even good)
I think all the executioner angels, the exorcists, Lute and Adam are all demons that rose to become angels. Why do you think they look like more like demons?
Viv actually said before that the reason angels look like demons is because when angels go to hell, they gain a demonic form. its possible thats changed of course, but i kinda doubt it
Not demons but imps.
@@starlepus9437They aren’t in Hell. They’re doing a holographic Zoom Call from Heaven.
No, that doesn't really make sense. It kind of undermines the whole plot of the show. Nobody ever rose to become an angel before. And if the exorcists were demons that became angels, do not think they would have more sympathy for the demons?
@@shahinmotamedi654 Why would they have sympathy for them?
I'm also interested in the idea that maybe Charlie is an unreliable narrator when telling the story of creation and the first sin. Where maybe it's the story Lucifer and Lilith told her. She's telling the story SHE knows, but not the one that actually happened.
Keep in mind that Viv has stated there were 5 seasons planned. So her arc for Charlie is not going to be ended within a season. I suspect she is going to ping pong the antagonist each season. She will be forced to change goals this season from salvation to defending. She will have to fight back the angels and create a safe place for sinners to heal. The healing aspect seems to be a theme in Viv's work. And she has a keen eye for what gives rise to people's destructive behaviour. So once she has the angels held for for the time being she will turn her gaze to what is causing Hell to be so toxic. And it stems from daddy. Lucifer and how he set the whole circus up pits everyone against each other. Giving no one time or place to heal. So she has to contend with daddy. Whether she can restore his spark of life or has to topple him (I suspect restoration for him) remains to be seen. But then after that conflict is resolved she can turn her gaze to reforming heaven and finding god.
I thought it was only three seasons... Pretty sure she stated that somewhere very recently but I gotta check that again now
Edit: She said it in a live stream and it was not recent but I do think she tweeted about it too?
@@legobrickstudios21 Yeah you're right I think
@@KennyLastname which one chum, that its five seasons or three? quite getting confused
I think Adam is very underrated character. Vivienne Medrano and other animators wrote on Twitter that he is one of their favorite characters, he was a blast to write, he was blast to watch. Some people says that Adam similar to chaz, that's not true. Unlike chaz, Adam has much more personality, and i love him. In the beginning he is just pranking charlie, and it's just pranks, not even a sex jokes. He talked about his d in one second moment, first it's just a pranks, third, he talked about his unlucky date, after that he explains to charlie about his black and white views. And he didn't tempted, seduced or lured to anyone in this episode at all unlike Chaz. Adam likes rock, he is talented singer, his song is amazing, he has an issue of anequal communication with women(make sence), his favorite food is ribs (funny reference if you remember what his second wife is made of), he is overall charismatic douchebag, and i love him for that. Also Chaz has gross scenes, like licking his lips, Adam doesn't have any of that shit.
Truth this is why admn is now my fav doshbag😂
also he's way smarter than Chazz and actually has some pwoer behind him, while chazz was an idiot who got lucky that crimson beleived his lies.
Adam definitely seems to have more going on then just being a strawman dudebro, and my thought is that he probably uses times like these when he's (sort of) out of Heaven to 'cut loose' and act like a total dick(master) since he probably can't actually do that up in Heaven itself. Plus he's dealing with a demon (Charlie) so why the hell should he care if he offends her? Guy's laughing his ass off watching Charlie honestly push the idea of redemption for demons because he knows her plan has no chance because overpopulation in Hell was never actually the issue. So why not just have fun with the bleeding-heart?
But end of episode 1 does reveal that he seems to be much more canny and willing to actually think things through and strategize unlike his second Lute who wanted to just rush down to Hell and slaughter everyone, but he rightfully points out that doing it that quick would tip the demons off that Heaven was actually freaked out by the incident, so instead he makes a big grand display and plays the part of "Oh man I just love killing demons so much I can't wait a whole year so gonna be back in half time!"
@@DelightfullyMADD Well, actually, Lute’s Plan would probably have worked. The longer they spend planning, the more people in Hell that’ll figure out what happened to that Angel. Six Months would tip them off that something else is going on in Heaven and they’ll probably prepare for it. A surprise Attack with all of Heaven’s Might to cleanse the Perdition once and for all could’ve been a better strategy.
I just like Adam.
You have to have a pure heart to enter Hazbin Heaven. Adam: "my heart is pure, pure evil"
To be honest, the angels from Hazbin Hotel remind me of Alice Angel from Bendy and the ink machine, it's the same thing, only Boris in this world ended up in hell and there are thousands of Alices.
If they do bring God into the story, I really hope they don't go the stereotypical "subversion" route and just make God the ironic Ultimate Evil. I'd rather God be much more in line with the Deist idea of the Divine Watchmaker... God basically forged creation and the angels, and once everything was up and running he went off to do other things, convinced that his creation would run itself. If God does come back and sees what's happened, I would much rather it be him showing up, looking around, then looking at the angels and gently but firmly asking "So... what ya been doin kids? I was only gone for a few millennia and you've done _this_ ?"
Another idea I had would have God actually go to Hell, disguised as a lowly sinner who opts to join Charlie's hotel. He then proceeds to very subtly and gently keep Charlie on the path she's on, maybe giving her some lowkey encouragement when it seems like she's loosing her spark. He specifically never solves any of her problems, because in the end it's important for his creation to solve it's own issues, but there's nothing wrong with the Watchmaker occasionally giving his creation a quick tuneup is there?
Jesus was God in human form.
God went to get milk from a store
(it means he abandoned children, internet meme)
I kind of like the idea that heave is the true ring of pride
We saw that Adam was playing Charlie a bit, he was pissed about the loss of one of his angels. He didn't want to show his hand, maybe the whole reason he agreed to the meeting was to fish for information, at that point he didn't know for sure if the missing angel was dead, or at least lacked the body to confirm it, he also didn't know how the angel died or by whom.
Charlie "Those are my people"
Adam, "Must suck for you", was he just being ass there, or was he avoiding saying what he really felt?
My theory is he was fishing, that was the whole point. But then again Vizziepop almost had smart or interesting villains in Helluva Boss and teases more complexity and then simply falls flat on it. I hope a little more care was put into Hazbin in terms of character motivations not being so one dimensional. That's the whole problem here is the creator has failed to do complexity before and just opts for instant resolutions.
The story given at the start of episode 1 is likely what Lilith told Charlie and is probably embroidered.
I like to think the resolution will be that everybody sees the error of their ways, saints and sinners, angels and demons. And those with a true spark of goodness within them, whether in Heaven or Hell, will come together to establish a new and fairer order in the cosmos.
How powerful.
I recall you making a similiar theory (about how Charlie’s gonna talk some sense into God ) back during the theory for CHERUBS, so nice callback!
A: You need to be a writer for this show.
B:
"You look at everything as Black & White,
& you can't.
It's a bunch of different colors.
A rainbow of feelings that are always changing."
- Star Butterfly.
I think Eve's gonna be like, the angel of the passage between heaven and hell.
She commited the worst sin, so her punishment is that she is so close to hell, yet isn't in it
OO i like this idea. which would also kinda explain why they dont know what gets people into heaven if Eve is the one controlling that.
Ooh, glad someone else thought Adam might not have eaten the fruit!
One idea I had about the Tree of Knowledge is that it was always supposed to be there, Eve and Adam were going to eat it eventually to prepare for outside threats. So when Lucifer gave one apple to Eve, he didn’t think anything of it. The Original Sin was either that she ate it too early, or it was something else entirely (side-eyes Adam), OR it never existed, it was a lie because evil was there from the start!
Anyway, Eve tries to get Adam to eat the Forbidden Fruit. He refuses because he knows it was Lucifer who gave it to her; maybe he saw their exchange through the bushes, maybe another angel told him that Lucifer made the tree. Either way, he refuses, because he HATES Lucifer. At this point, Adam is basically an ignorant child who thinks he’s owed the world, but more than ignorant he’s AFRAID. Of evil, of the dark, most of all of loneliness. And it’s so easy to blame Lucifer. Lilith leaves him? Lucifer stole her away. Eve tries to have some time for herself? Lucifer lured her away. Eve comes back with a sus apple? It’s Lucifer’s ploy, Lucifer’s trying to take everything away from him and ruin his life! All of Eve’s pleadings fall on deaf ears, and Adam remains ignorant of everyone beyond himself for the rest of his life.
Which brings us to present day. The gang gets ahold of one of the original Fruits of Knowledge, somehow, and determines that their win condition is getting Adam to eat it. But how?
Well, if you look at the trading cards we can see Adam drinking a soda cup. His attitude is that of a stereotypical college frat boy-what if he’s defeated through college frat means? Yeah that’s fuckin right, the gang purées the Fruit and ROOFIES Adam’s drink. And then he fuckin dies (of the crushing, overwhelming weight of all the wrongs he’s done for millennia)
Or… maybe not? The idea character arc for him, to me, would be him dealing with this newfound knowledge and apologizing to Eve. If the theory that Eve became the Root of all Evil is true ALONG with everything above, then it would mean she was corrupted entirely by the selfishness of other people. Adam realizes this. He’s crushed by the guilt, by the memories of how selflessly Eve loved him and their children. And now she’s like this. He’ll do anything to bring her back.
I love the idea and I hope it happens maybe in later seasons.
The idea that the Angels were the real source of all sin makes SO much sense
It really shows why and how they're so damn shady, they know the truth but they refuse to accept that they are beyond flawed creatures just because they're all powerful heavenly beings
""Angels don't make mistakes" so we gonna pretend like Lucifer wasn't a whole ass angel? Got it."
- ClassicmanD
Glad someone else pointed this out
My fan theory:
Adam has been planning to instigate a war between Heaven and hell for a long time. The first hints we got were during Helluva Boss. One thing all the characters remarked on was how Striker was able to acquire advanced Angel weapons. That’s because Adam authorized them to be provided. Even though Stella hired Striker to kill Stolas out of jealousy, this was more of a convenience for Adam. His true goal was for a demon prince to be killed by an Angel weapon, thus spurring hell into retaliating. Once they retaliate, the Angels would have a clear justification to exterminate the populace of hell on the grounds of self-defense.
Carmine makes the angelic weapons so sinners can defend themselves from each other but neat theory
I would hate Adam forever if that was true 😡
@@taratheshinyabsol768 that is sin of wrath
Your interpretations/theories are so interesting and work perfectly with what the show is going for, at least from what we know and what we've seen so far ! I also really liked your idea on God's character.
Charlie hugging is grandpa would be so cool
I hope God does turn out to be a sweetheart like Charlie it’ll feel like Charlie have someone to relate too in her own family when u think about it
Please, this! I want God to end up being a sweet goofy man who adores his grandkid, and I want him to tear Sera and Adam a new one.
honestly this show is really interesting to watch as a Christian myself. I like comparing what I know from teachings vs how this show takes it's own unique spin on things, I'm really curious how it'll end too. I really like your theory and it would be interesting if we got an answer on the whole "God is missing" picture.
Maybe in this universe when god created the angels it used up too much power it killed them leaving the angels alone to create everything else and the reason the cherubs don’t want to say his name in vain in same way you wouldn’t want someone speaking ill of your dead family member.
God is literally eternal.
@@justice8718i was talking about the fictional hasbin hotel universe version of god since he don’t is not mention much in this story all. I have no intentions of blasphemy.
Seems to me like God is the bureaucratic body of the higher angels of this world. Maybe the angels pretend that they have a direct line to God when God never existed in the first place, at least not in the form that we know of.
@@Magicghost23but then he's not real God
@@koxbalon correction: that means he would be contradictory to the biblical god who is limitless and eternal- most of the other gods of different religions arent really like the biblical god either
A season 2 is confirmed and no doubt soon or already in the works. All I do know for certain is the story isn't ending after a single season of 8 episodes. Plus, let's not forget Roo (whether she's Eve or not).
Another reason why Adam could be in heaven is that if the angles blamed sin on the forbidden fruit, which Adam never ate, it would be a bad look if he was still cast into hell.
Angels don’t make mistakes coming from mistakes
I think eve might be one of the seven deadly sins we haven’t met yet. Also, all the exterminators, including Adam were probably kicked out of heaven and they haven’t told anybody.
There's on 7 and we have 3 to go. She's probably Roo
If your theory is true, then eve would probably be the fill in for satan/demon of wrath cause well belphegor represents sloth and leviathan represents envy which i feel both make absolutely no sense for eve. But however I do believe she is that one character named roo.
@@HourglassBenbut Satan already exists in the Hazbin/helluva universe
@@folklore6703 yes.. but notice how we haven't seen satan yet. IMP has been to the wrath ring the most, and not once have we seen satan yet.
@@HourglassBen we have two more seasons we will see him.
Knowing that all angels with imp like horns are adam and his descendants, and seeing how similar adam and fizz are (And honestly imps as a whole, especially when you consider they're from the pride ring) Makes me also think that adam may have gotten down to business with a demon on one visit
Are you really sure Adam and Fizz are very similar? They seem pretty different, actually, with maybe a few slight surface-level similarities.
other than clothing, they are a pallette swap homie@@richardparker3273
I do think it's significant that the angel said that angels never make mistakes, especially when she follows up in the coming episodes with admitting to you're mistakes being the first step to redemption, or something along those lines (can't remember the exact line, Snake dude apologizing for ripping Alisters shirt)
Vivzie talked about how she created her world based on her own RL experiences and pain that she was put through, in an interview once. What I find interesting is that "God's" angels punish while he doesn't exist presently? Took a vacay? ....Sounds like religion IRL., or rather, what controlling Christians do in present day. A Christian that tries to control others and push their religion onto others are basically the "adam" of the story, while people should actually be striving to be like Charlie, who gives people a choice and encourages but never forces.
You and Finnthepony or making a lot more sense than any other critic and viewer that I’ve seen my mind is blowing up
That cuz now days people are focus on: "Bad bad bad, im right, praise me for being right cuz nothing i do is wrong and this show sucks cuz it dont appeal to my general taste in what i like in media when the creator of the show explicitly told them this was her own story shared to them because she just wanted to tell a good story ....
But hey none of that matters cus this characters swear alot and look like shit from my perspective give me likes and share lol, im right see ya"
Ps. Not to mention the most recent drama that making me loath the amount of people allows to use the internet i swear to god.
@@ianjomarcaraballorodriguez6224 You just blew my mind even more I love these discussions
@sailorstar3148 thanks even if the show don't end as he predicted I have faith in vivs vision for the show and I'll like to give everything created for fun the benefit to grow when it recently starting.
@@ianjomarcaraballorodriguez6224 There was a video of someone talking about how saying that the ” getting rid of the overpopulation problem” is just a cover-up so that demons won’t rise against angels and that makes it a bit more suspicious when sinners aren’t allowed in the other rings. It’s almost like the exterminators want sinners to be trapped
It be cool to see where Eve is at the moment. She's been absent after the story charlie telss so hopefully she might give light to whats goin on and may have the real story of creation that might match the theory
The way I see the story at the beginning of the show is that it seems one sided, like whoever made it was hiding something. A few shows do this, where they tell you one story and later on near the end of a season usually it tells you a different version of the story. The way I think is going to work is that the angles have their own version of what happened, and it’s going to be up to the main characters to find the truth in both versions.
Imagine if it's Actually worse for hells side and lucifer just sugar coated it for the kids
@@dumiam3752 so far we have only seen Adam, we haven’t seen the main angles yet maybe thy are way different than the story says. Please if you are at war with someone your first thing to do is to make everyone on your side believe that the other person is evil, make them think that it’s us versus them.
adam not eating the apple is a really great idea/theory. would love to see it in the show
imagen Charlie and God becoming besties
Why wouldn't God dote on his granddaughter?
@@gamera5160 I ment in the over the top way, with plushes, heart hands, ect.
@@cofagrigusfan24 That would be fun!
@@cofagrigusfan24 I can see that happening more between Charlie and Jesus, while God would behave more like Grunkle Stan type figure
Wait so would you say that lucifer (God’s first and favourite child) was a victim of the other angel’s envy
Hc that Hell later becomes Purgatory. Aka the place where you go after you die while being too sinful to go straight to Heaven but where you can redeem yourself and go to Heaven later.
I just imagine God face-palming after seeing all that's been going on.
Something I was thinking as to why Adam became such a big important angel was because of the 2 original people (Adam and Eve) since Eve became such a symbol of darkness they used Adam to be a symbol of light similar to the capital using Peta as a symbol of the capital and their values while Katniss was a symbol of rebellion. For those who have seen the hungergames
Isnt Hazbin already greenlit for a second season? It would be jumping the gun a bit to introduce God into the show this season except as a reference at the end
Yeah it was announced in one of the trailers on Viv's channel
If they are going to introduce God in this season, they really should make it a vague introduction. Like when they introduce a character sitting in a chair, only showing them from behind, or only showing someone's shadow or silhouette. I'm not quite sure how that would look with God, but I'm sure they could think of something
Giving Adam that Shrek voice was pure gold
In some versions Ada doesn't bite the fruit of knowledge , he is sleeping and Eve sqeezes it's juices into his mouth after he refused it , forcing the sin upon him .
This has to be the BEST anaysis I've seen of the series, and I even saw MatPat's one!
I like your theory. I personally hope that pilot Angel's quote of double hell becomes a legit thing where the god of Hazbin universe secretly "saved" those who were exterminated and that god planned all of this and wraps up the story in a true happy ending. I doubt it... but I love happy endings with all loose ends wrapped up.
1. I find that the harshest lessons in life are the ones that result in self-inflictions.
2. I believe that the higher authority tends to be the voice that isn't clearly heard, but the direction is very obvious.
3."When you do the right thing, it'll be like you didn't do anything at all."
Your point about Adam made me think of 2 possible things, 1 of which was possibly hinted at in the recent episodes too.
1. When Adam says he "hasn't made a mistake in his life", he may have solely meant "while he was alive" meaning he's made many mistakes since being dead - and Charlie seems to be suggesting this too in saying that if souls in hell can't be redeemed then souls in heaven must be getting away with whatever they want even if it's a sin.
Or 2, and this is one I think could be more likely: The whole key is perception. As you've touched on in the video, it's possible Adam genuinely believes he's never made a single mistake. Maybe the reason Adam hasn't fallen is because he just genuinely believes he deserves to be in heaven. It would explain Lucifer, who looks like a demon rather than just being an angel in hell - if he believes that things going wrong was his fault and that he deserves to be in hell since the other angels told him that, that may have changed him. It would also explain why Angel Dust hasn't been able to go to heaven despite all the improvement - because the "conditions to get into heaven" they're struggling to work out primarily include that the person themself needs to genuinely believe they deserve to go to/be in heaven, which with Angel Dust's backstory as we know it is something he would have difficulty believing even if told.
The second one might be possible
@@Luci_197 Except Sir Pentius was too insecure and ashamed of his past to ever dare believe he deserved Heaven, heroic self-sacrifice or not, yet he still got there in the end. So that kind of debunks option 2.
6:58 Late but guys…right when he said,
“So when the elder Angels witnessed what they did they were probably like-“
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The devils are in the details when it comes theory.
14:20 Thats not called being a good person, thats called being a doormat. seriously if he was omnipotent he would have been able to see that his kids would not change unless he corrects them.
this is a wery good theory
his makes me two times more exited for the rest of hazbin
Honestly, the show feels like it's almost going a gnostic route in a day, and even as a Christian myself, I'm interested where it's gonna go
So God in this universe has crippling anxiety, good to know
I remember Viv say that she didn’t feel comfortable making god a character in this universe. I don’t know if she elaborated on it, but I do think it’s valid.
Almost getting whiplash seeing this after Sarcastic Chorus' videos
Genuinely the difference in optimism levels is wild
@@njivwathomassilavwe2056so true they both seen the show on opposite ways chorus want to create a image of what the show should be on the way he wants
exactly that why i hate sarcastic chorus cus dude is just been way to negative on the first 4 episode about them rushing and all that dude didn't even understand camila part of the story and was calling it trash and waste of time like bruh dude it 8 episode for the first season what does he expect it so fucking annoying @@dukcboy912
It would be a crazy plot twist if lucifer is god in disguise
Pink diamond situation
Those are very good explanations and I'm hoping they're correct. I was assuming that God used up his power to create the world, angels and humans. That's why he's absence and can't really do much. But I like your idea more. I also want that Charlie and God hug at the end of the show. Gonna be one of the cutest things. It makes sense that the excorcist's love to kill the demons. It's kinda like if you're happy that something bad is happening to someone you hate. Well maybe not terrible things, just bad things. As an angel it is your duty to protect the good in the world. Sinners who did really bad stuff deserved their fate on the surface. Sadly many bad things happens out of defense, hopelessness and other reasons.
In the scene of blackness approaching the Elder Angels (6:11), the whiteness at lower left has a closed eye. Maybe God is sleeping.
You are my new favorite commentary/theory channel on this 🔥 Seriously love the way you think about and analyze things and break them down.
im telling you one of these days I really going to want a spinoff series just based on Adam and Lute I don't know if it's just me but the dynamic between them is so cute and I so could see them dating
Maybe a lore on how purgatory was created
Personally I think God isn't around because he's trying to keep Roo/Root of all Evil at bay so she wouldn't fully destroy everything
"Angels don't make mistakes" Lucifer. Just Lucifer. "But he's not in heaven anymore" Still an angel.
When fin said "and we get to see Charlie visit her Grandpapa God" my brain then said "and her uncle Big J'z" aka Jesus....actually thats another question, were the heck is he?
Or Jesus is God in human form and on life support in a New Jersey hospital.
Not really uncle jesus is god through whome all things were made
If Adam never ate the Apple, then all of the male humans in this universe don't have "Adam's apple" in their throats(that bumpy thing on male's throats). I just realized that😭
I feel like Adam looks really similar to Mammon (the greed sin from Helluva Boss)
Ok but all of the puns and word plays on this video are SO GOOD
I love the theory of Adam never eating the forbidden fruit, and that's why he is such a jerk who can't know good and evil.
Imagine having a father like it (aka Kein and Hevel)
My theory with God is that he's on vacation or some shit. Like Supernatural. He's secretly watching both win battles and lose them. I think Charlie is going to be the reason God comes back and he gives the okay for her plan.
You made some interesting points that I can get behind. Seeing Adam act the way he does completely threw me off and I've been curious about how he's an angel. And watching your video, I noticed something...
I'm a (filthy) casual watcher of both Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss, so I don't know every aspect of the lore or what info has been revealed via Vivsie or other sources. With that said, did anyone else notice that the depiction of Eve in Charlie's retelling....has wide, long hair? A feature that looks similar to one of the main characters?
With your theory that Eve is in Hell, could it be possible that Vaggie is her in demon form? I don't know a thing about the character, but a few things shown in the pilot and the first four episodes (haven't seen episode 5 yet) could suggest she is. She doesn't trust anyone besides Charlie, someone you theorize is just like her grandfather, God and her demon form could be her hurt manifesting into what she is now.
I'm probably wrong and just grasping at straws, but it's fun to think about.
I doubt that's true since eve is technically charlies aunty and or sister/cousin
@@dumiam3752 Upon further thought, I realized the major flaw in my theory. That being Vaggie admitting Angel has been in Hell longer than her. If she were Eve, she would’ve been in Hell much longer than him.
Theory busted. 😅
I have a suspicion that god in this universe is some nerdy pimply faced teenager too distracted with playing Minecraft in his neglected room to pay attention to what's going on anywhere else. Like playing a videogame about working and making stuff is just easier than actually doing it. He looks at life and all creation just as another game that he got bored with, and that's why everything is falling apart.
As someone who grew up christian and still can't really tell if I believe it or not, I got to say that no one has pointed out something that feels really obvious to me. Charlie isn't just one of the few good people in the show, she's basically a Christ analogue. She's in hell trying to redeem the damned. Sounds like literally what Jesus is said to have done in the three days after he died. And Emily is essentially heaven's Charlie. Interested to see what they do with these two.
Did anyone notice the apple on Lucifer’s cane?, he is literally carrying the fruit of knowledge with him everywhere.
Well, turns out Adam was the one who got the idea of Extermination and most of heaven had no idea it happened...even the elders. As for why he got to heaven..why would heavens punish mortals for the very sin they themselves are guilty of ?
And don't forget that he was the first man...he didn't really have the opportunity to commit a whole lot of sins like murder or theft...
I like the whole force feed Adam the apple thing... But I like Niffty's solution better 🤣🤣🤣
What if Eve became Roo an old character viv created that’s probably short for “root of all evil”
I think Alan Grant said it best in JP 3, "Some of the worst things in histoory have been done with good intentions." that exact quote is why i ignore peoples intentions 90% of the time and only look at thier actions and the insueing results of their actions.
14:50
So you're saying the God of this cosmology is Ned Flanders...I can dig it.
The idea that pure ignorance is what leads to evil is a fascinating take, and I think it's entirely accurate. Remember, ignorance itself is not a crime nor a sin; it's when you willfully choose to refuse to learn. That's when ignorance becomes intentional stupidity, and that's what leads to a LOT of problems here in our own real world.
I have a theory that Alistair was recruited by Lilith for a special task seeing as they have both been gone 7 years. And then he's come back to either get close to Charley to get some info on Lilith or get close to the morningstar family in general
The fact that Heaven is basically the OG "Pride ring" makes alot of sense tbf
Maybe Adam didn't go to hell because he isn't capable of sin because he dosent know good from evil.
I wanna say that this video is extremely good and well written, keep up the good work! New sub ❤