They'd need to do it sooner rather than later, as so many of the important people to have for the documentary are dying. Pat Patrick is gone, AJ is probably not too much longer for this world, Mario is in his 80s, so is Roger Penske, Ron Hemelgarn is up there, so is Dick Simon, etc.
What's funny is irl essentially became cart again and basically its mainly road courses now lol I would like to see some more ovals but what can I do lol
Anthony Kernich He should have ran an all oval CART team with only Americans from USAC and run mosty on the ovals CART ran on and have a big team at Indy. That would have been the Smarter move.
@@AlonsoRulesVery few short track racers were given good opportunities in IndyCar from the late 70s onward. Most of the absolute legends of IndyCar came from midgets and sprint cars. Sneva was the last of them that became a legend, and Pancho Carter the last one who was able to make a career out of IndyCar. TG was right about the USAC crowd deserving opportunities to get to Indy, but absolutely wrong to achieve this by kicking the CART guys out.
@@NotSteveCook Johnny Rutherford said it best - you don't buy tradition, you build it. Tony George bought tradition and therefore can never be forgiven for what he did.
Randy Dubin well wasn’t the IRL billed as restart of the USAC days when AJ Foyt was king coming from Midget cars and dirt track cars which drivers were going to nascar instead of Indy by the 90s.
What did the split ever accomplish ? It seems it was more stable with CART than it was unstable which Tony George thought to create the IRL. All the split did was take away the mainstream sport media attention CART had and gave it all to NASCAR.
5:53 Er, the USAC Champ Car Series had an all oval schedule back in the mid-1970s, Mario. Or, were you too busy racing in F1 to actually remember that? 😉
Arrogant? If we continued in the direction of cart Indy would still be the biggest Motorsport in North America. The irl is the worst business decision in sports history.
Tony George should have formed a IRL like team in CART with all Americans from the USAC ranks and run on only big ovals and Indy. He didn’t need to form a whole new series were CART was firmly established like nascar was and it only confused Indycar fans as a whole and went to nascar for stability. The brickyard 400 at Indy helped a lot with keeping the IRL as long as it did before they came back together.
Thanks for this. 😃☺😊😉 Unfortunately I couldn't repost this, as I don't have a proper DVD ripping software (I still have the DVD in my bedroom somewhere). Again, thanks! 👍👍👍
It would be much harder to do given the passage of time, but I would be very interested in seeing a documentary about the initial (1979) split between CART and USAC, which set up much of the '96 split.
Scott Miller all it was a gentleman’s agreement with John Cooper and CART owners that made the CART years at Indy possible but then Tony George took over and tried to put back that USAC sprit pre 1979 that was only popular at Indy area with a nascar but nascar was bigger but Indy was more popular worldwide and CART was having a more national spotlight then Tony George reduced it to a only region popular sport.
@@robertmusgrave9236 Though I disagree with many things he has done, I do not lay all the blame at Tony George's feet, and honestly, to do so is foolish. I lay 50% of the blame on Tony George and the other 50% on CART.. It is/was easy to look back at 1995 and see a rosy picture. I did not. CART had built a house of cards, with their series becoming more and more a feeder/retirement series to F1, massive budgets needed for cars good for one year, and an increase in temporary circuits. My feeling has long been that if you go back the next weekend , and there's not still a track, you shouldn't go there. USAC also had problems (purse sizes, crowds, venues in need of upgrades), largely because they were set up somewhat hastily to sanction the 500 after the AAA pulled out after LeMans 1955. Had a compromise been reached, things would have obviously been better. I believe even Roger Penske has lamented the 1978/9 split. Had a solid, and badly needed marketing team been added, much of what happened could have been avoided. Unfortunately, the passing of Tony Hulman, with no clear heir for a generation (Joe Cloutier was a custodian of the speedway) and the plane crash that killed Dick King and many of his lieutenants, left a huge vacuum at a very bad time for peace to be made.
@@robertmusgrave9236 Absolutely, ESPN and cable TV did so much for NASCAR. That and a "benevolent dictator" in Bill France Jr.. CART was sadly lacking in that department, look how many CEO's they went through. Though I've had plenty of issues with Penske, I could not think of a better man to hold the reigns of the sport.
I can’t believe that Tony George ruined the prestige of the Indy 500 with the 25/8 rule I get that he wanted his first race at Disney to be buzzworthy but he forgot that was he trying to start a whole new Indy 500 tradition that people were mostly not in favor of outside of the state of Indiana and USAC/IRL community 33 spots were always never a given and that is what made the Indy 500 fanbase fall in love with the sport and the race most importantly. Tony should have done a lot better research and revoked the 25/8 rule stipulation before the 1996 season and maybe a compromise would have been made shortly compared to 12 years.
I'm no fan of the 25/8 rule, but let's try not to lose sight of the fact that CART *could* have bought a year's worth of negotiating time if they'd just shown up at WDW and Phoenix. No one forced them to stay away, it was CART's decision to return fire by deliberately scheduling their races for 96 so that it would have been impossible for anyone to try and do both IRL and CART races. And I have to say this: bad as 25/8 was, I am far more offended by the fact that CART rules allowed that farce at Michigan to take place where a guy could crash on the pace lap, and then be allowed to use his backup car in the *same* starting position and win the race. You can't do that at Indy, and you shouldn't be allowed to do that at any race and take advantage of a loophole that the green flag had yet to fall. That Vasser was allowed to get away with that only proved my belief that CART had become a lordly elitist organization that wanted things rigged to favor a handful of elitist team owners who had too much to lose if the playing field was leveled.
With IndyCar moving away from ovals even more than CART, then it shouldn’t wonder if another guy like Tony George surfaces and does the same thing. But the way I think it’s going, it would be NASCAR that will split, rather than IndyCar.
The winners were Brian France of NASCAR and Bernie Ecclestone of F1.
I can’t imagine ESPN giving the time of day to any motorsport nowadays. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you for posting this!! I would love to see ESPN do a 30 for 30 documentary on the CART/IRL split. Would be a must watch!!
They'd need to do it sooner rather than later, as so many of the important people to have for the documentary are dying. Pat Patrick is gone, AJ is probably not too much longer for this world, Mario is in his 80s, so is Roger Penske, Ron Hemelgarn is up there, so is Dick Simon, etc.
4:30 and now Roger Penske owns the track and Indycar.
This split was the most disastrous thing that happened to IndyCar, it will never be like it was in the early to mid 90s.
What's funny is irl essentially became cart again and basically its mainly road courses now lol I would like to see some more ovals but what can I do lol
Same, I want to see more ovals. But I also want to see courses like Mosport and Road Atlanta on the calendar.
Glad to see this one back up
Tony George can never be forgiven for what he did. His plan to get more Americans in the Indy 500 destroyed AOWR.
Anthony Kernich He should have ran an all oval CART team with only Americans from USAC and run mosty on the ovals CART ran on and have a big team at Indy. That would have been the Smarter move.
@@robertmusgrave9236 there were very few USAC short trackers who were good enough to race in IndyCar
@@AlonsoRulesnot to mention CART only had a handful of ovals on the calendar
@@AlonsoRulesVery few short track racers were given good opportunities in IndyCar from the late 70s onward. Most of the absolute legends of IndyCar came from midgets and sprint cars. Sneva was the last of them that became a legend, and Pancho Carter the last one who was able to make a career out of IndyCar. TG was right about the USAC crowd deserving opportunities to get to Indy, but absolutely wrong to achieve this by kicking the CART guys out.
@@NotSteveCook Johnny Rutherford said it best - you don't buy tradition, you build it. Tony George bought tradition and therefore can never be forgiven for what he did.
4:28 I love how when AJ Foyt was on his rant, his driver, Scott Sharp, was casually taking a drink of water as if it was no big deal. LOLZ!
Randy Dubin well wasn’t the IRL billed as restart of the USAC days when AJ Foyt was king coming from Midget cars and dirt track cars which drivers were going to nascar instead of Indy by the 90s.
The irony of what happened then and what's going on now.....
I look at this in a star wars point of view however Roger is nothing like the antagonists.
Almost all road- and streetcourses and crap oval racing.
the oval issue is a result of the aero package and too much downforce and aero push
at the 7:58 mark the smartest words were said by rick galles in this video
What did the split ever accomplish ? It seems it was more stable with CART than it was unstable which Tony George thought to create the IRL. All the split did was take away the mainstream sport media attention CART had and gave it all to NASCAR.
5:53 Er, the USAC Champ Car Series had an all oval schedule back in the mid-1970s, Mario. Or, were you too busy racing in F1 to actually remember that? 😉
Mario And Michael Were Arrogant And What Is Nascar Mario You Are A Prick
Arrogant? If we continued in the direction of cart Indy would still be the biggest Motorsport in North America. The irl is the worst business decision in sports history.
Early ‘80’s too
I understand where the IRL was coming from but it ultimatley hurt and almost destroyed indy car racing.
Tony George should have formed a IRL like team in CART with all Americans from the USAC ranks and run on only big ovals and Indy. He didn’t need to form a whole new series were CART was firmly established like nascar was and it only confused Indycar fans as a whole and went to nascar for stability. The brickyard 400 at Indy helped a lot with keeping the IRL as long as it did before they came back together.
most of the USAC short trackers were not good enough to race in IndyCar
Imy favorite indy cart driver is Paul tracy IndyCar cart driver at Canada
It’s hard to believe that this happened 25 years ago.
And judging from the comments, some people still aren't over it.
Robin Miller as a newspaper reporter for the IndyStar 35:30 RIP
Thanks for this. 😃☺😊😉 Unfortunately I couldn't repost this, as I don't have a proper DVD ripping software (I still have the DVD in my bedroom somewhere). Again, thanks! 👍👍👍
It would be much harder to do given the passage of time, but I would be very interested in seeing a documentary about the initial (1979) split between CART and USAC, which set up much of the '96 split.
Scott Miller all it was a gentleman’s agreement with John Cooper and CART owners that made the CART years at Indy possible but then Tony George took over and tried to put back that USAC sprit pre 1979 that was only popular at Indy area with a nascar but nascar was bigger but Indy was more popular worldwide and CART was having a more national spotlight then Tony George reduced it to a only region popular sport.
@@robertmusgrave9236 Though I disagree with many things he has done, I do not lay all the blame at Tony George's feet, and honestly, to do so is foolish. I lay 50% of the blame on Tony George and the other 50% on CART.. It is/was easy to look back at 1995 and see a rosy picture. I did not. CART had built a house of cards, with their series becoming more and more a feeder/retirement series to F1, massive budgets needed for cars good for one year, and an increase in temporary circuits. My feeling has long been that if you go back the next weekend , and there's not still a track, you shouldn't go there.
USAC also had problems (purse sizes, crowds, venues in need of upgrades), largely because they were set up somewhat hastily to sanction the 500 after the AAA pulled out after LeMans 1955. Had a compromise been reached, things would have obviously been better. I believe even Roger Penske has lamented the 1978/9 split. Had a solid, and badly needed marketing team been added, much of what happened could have been avoided. Unfortunately, the passing of Tony Hulman, with no clear heir for a generation (Joe Cloutier was a custodian of the speedway) and the plane crash that killed Dick King and many of his lieutenants, left a huge vacuum at a very bad time for peace to be made.
Scott Miller also right around the time of the 1979 split was NASCAR getting more national coverage and becoming less of a southern Regional sport.
@@robertmusgrave9236 Absolutely, ESPN and cable TV did so much for NASCAR. That and a "benevolent dictator" in Bill France Jr.. CART was sadly lacking in that department, look how many CEO's they went through. Though I've had plenty of issues with Penske, I could not think of a better man to hold the reigns of the sport.
Scott Miller I know nascar losing bill France was like tony Hulman was to Indycar.
I can’t believe that Tony George ruined the prestige of the Indy 500 with the 25/8 rule I get that he wanted his first race at Disney to be buzzworthy but he forgot that was he trying to start a whole new Indy 500 tradition that people were mostly not in favor of outside of the state of Indiana and USAC/IRL community 33 spots were always never a given and that is what made the Indy 500 fanbase fall in love with the sport and the race most importantly. Tony should have done a lot better research and revoked the 25/8 rule stipulation before the 1996 season and maybe a compromise would have been made shortly compared to 12 years.
I'm no fan of the 25/8 rule, but let's try not to lose sight of the fact that CART *could* have bought a year's worth of negotiating time if they'd just shown up at WDW and Phoenix. No one forced them to stay away, it was CART's decision to return fire by deliberately scheduling their races for 96 so that it would have been impossible for anyone to try and do both IRL and CART races. And I have to say this: bad as 25/8 was, I am far more offended by the fact that CART rules allowed that farce at Michigan to take place where a guy could crash on the pace lap, and then be allowed to use his backup car in the *same* starting position and win the race. You can't do that at Indy, and you shouldn't be allowed to do that at any race and take advantage of a loophole that the green flag had yet to fall. That Vasser was allowed to get away with that only proved my belief that CART had become a lordly elitist organization that wanted things rigged to favor a handful of elitist team owners who had too much to lose if the playing field was leveled.
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What did the split accomplish?
Smaller crowds and TV ratings, fewer open wheel chassis constructers, disappearing sponsors, etc.
13:04-13:07 LOLZ!
I hope that guy never got that US 500 tattoo lol
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now IRL is slowly disappearing and returning to the CART era. Tony, do you wanna do another coup?
With IndyCar moving away from ovals even more than CART, then it shouldn’t wonder if another guy like Tony George surfaces and does the same thing. But the way I think it’s going, it would be NASCAR that will split, rather than IndyCar.
0:14 No Al the best drivers, teams and crews in the World had raced a week before in Monte Carlo.
That’s probably fair, but Cart had one heck of a series then though with global reach.
@@MrBrendanRoy Agreed on that. Pity it got wasted.
8:42 Mario Dont Know Shit