Loving it! That's the loadout I've used with great success with my Imperial Fists Centurions combined with a lieutenant and a chapter master and apothecary I've named Captain Thereos of the 5th company ;) Even a fully buffed magnus usually can't stand to volume of the hurricane bolters and the lascannons especially with the beta rules of rapid fire for them helping out! You should also strongly consider using the imperial fists vigilus formation that offers the indomitable warlord trait for 1CP to give your infantry within 6 inches of the wearer the benefits of cover if the wearer did not move that turn (4+ saves against ap-3 weapons for the centurions is just so strong) and combine that with the apothecary resurrecting on a 4+ is so satisfying. And lastly the seismic devastation stratagem for 1CP gives the centurions mortal wounds in addition to their damage on wound rolls of 6 against vehicles. Very effective especially against Chaos Land Raiders makes the hurricane bolters even more thematically destructive! Thank you for bringing back the fists!!! To success and honour for the chapter!
The Vigilus Special Detachment also really helps with the unique Relic. Allowing a Captain (or even an Apothecary) to act as a Lieutenant by rerolling 1s on wound rolls can really help.
Epic Video, Good to see the Centurions getting some love back on the table. I always liked these models but pre CA18 they were just too brutally expensive.
I’ve been using these bois with my Salamanders since day 1 of 8th edition, They have been the bane of any form of heavy armor on the table at my LGS. Salamanders rerolls on lascannons are pretty good.
heavy bolters and hurricane bolters are great for fists use bolter drill and have a captain with storm of fire nearby for maximum dakka on average EACH centurion can wipe out an entire imperial guard squad by himself
With the new imperial fists chapter tactics, 5 of these guys with HB and HB are the focal point of my army. Extra hits on 6's upgrade them to siegebreaker cohorts for 1 cp and use seismic devastation on them for moral wounds on wound roll of 6's and the can bring down almost anything. Have the captain take the 'cover out in open' trait and you need not worry about finding the Centurions cover
I'm so glad you have done a vid on Centurions....I have just bought some of these and magnetized them all up for any loadout....I'm excited to use them but you never see them being used.....thanks
Built my centurions as the assault variant, haven't used them for a while as I've been focused on my Orks army recently. The beta bolter rule certainly buffs them decently. Meltas are definitely the way to, flamers aren't too useful when you have hurricane bolters
Love the Centurions with that set up for going after enemy vehicles. Las cannons have an added bonus as well due to their long range it forces an opponent to dedicate his own long range firepower, commit to a deep strike to counter them or rush infantry to them. I find placing my redemptor near them works well as they can counter 2 of the 3 and wisdom of the ancients for 1 cp let’s them be a captain for the phase in case you need to move your HQs to better aid other units
Great tactical vid - insightful and interesting. I recently got 6 of these off eBay - 3 are already built with the grav and missiles (will proxy the missiles for hurricane bolters 💪🏻) the other 3 are new in the box - I was planning on lascannons but now I am seriously considering siege drills and melta - drop them in a Stormraven with a chaplain and its goodnight any unit the come up against 😁👍🏻
Crimson fist HB bolter/Hurricane bolter centurions will surprise you with the easiest 2+ to hit without any buff HQs, plus they tie up the opponent very well as everybody else just smokes cigars and lays down the dakka at range.
i run a squad of 3 (las and hurricane bolter) raven guard with 15 scout cnipers and shrike. if theyre taking cover theyre super hard to remove. i run this to back up my deathwatch. (watch master, librarian - null zone, 2 5 man vets - blackshield, 2 combi melta 2 deathwatch frag cannons all in the blackstar. and a 3rd squad of vets blackshield 4 heavy bolter combi heavy flamer 4 terminators and a vanguard vet for a deepstrike 2nd line. got dreads to put points up) raven guard centurions with reroll to hit is enough to take out most big things. and the -1 to hit is huge along side their sheer tankyness.
also if youre worried about anythings survivability its all threat management. if you have a flyer full of stuff and drop it on their front line. no ones looking at long range stuff unless its a lord of war. you have to build a list knowing stuff is going to die. on my list with deathwatch and raven guard. its all about the flyer. the centurions and snipers is about removing all the anti tank/ anti flyer turn 1. or enough of it so the budgie survives. if i dont get turn one they have a choice. focus the blackstar or take out the centurions and snipers. worst case, the contents of the blackstar go defensive. and theyre btter at that.
@@MrDuckAlmighty but it would look silly if he had a imperial fists army (lore heavy?) With 3 centurions from a different chapter... so the question i have is, if you would TAKE FISTS, would you use Centurions?
@@smarthandy2374 fists are good at bolter death. not sure about them lore wise. but if you really want to bolter death its deathwatch primaris. as theyre the same cost and can have ap-3 bolters.
My strategy is 3 assault centurions with meltas and hurricane bolters in a stormraven with a lieutenant, ancient, and apothecary, then an ironclad dreadnought (or any dreadnought of your choice) on the back. When you drop them into your enemy's gunline, keep them all within 6 inches of the dreadnought and use the stratagem which gives the dread a captain reroll for his buddies (and himself!) as well as the lieutenant's reroll of 1s for wounds Then if a centurion dies in the fight phase or proceeding shooting phase he might fight or shoot again from the ancient, and you could bring him back with the apothecary
Well thought! If you do that + Chapter Master for full reroll to hit + Vigilus relic for rerolls of 1 to wound, with hurricane bolter and 2 heavy bolters, you should average (if I did not make any mistake) 6.9 wounds per centurion against a Leman Russ tank, so 2 of them will blow one in a single turn of shooting while making their points back. And just in case, there's also the stratagem to do D3 mortal wounds with one heavy bolter.
I really like the centurion devastators and it's a cool choice, but the point cost is painful. I get a mortis contemptor with 4 autocannon and cyclone + an aggressor squad for less and they usually do work without support. I hope you prove me wrong :) Edit: actually since they suffer no penalty when moving I could use Strike from the shadows +standard move makes them quite mobile turn 1
on 12 inch the hurrican bolters have 2x attacks = 30 Heavy Bolter shots , 60 Hurricane shots from the Centurions , than 12 Twin Assault Cannon shots , 24 Bolter shots and maybe 1 Multimelter shot from the crusader excluding a HQ who still could fit into the LR too =127 Shots in perfect condition or 85 on 24 inch and around 650 points value
I really don't think they need the Invul save as that would only help against weapons with -4 AP. If you can keep them in cover, it should be good enough.
With the latest chapter approved dakka centurions have come up a decent bit. The missile launchers are still a trap however. Cheapest = Best with these guys.
I think the only way to run centurions is to take 2 squads of 3, all with las canons and hurricane bolters and take them as ultramarines keep them near guilliman and walk up the table.. if they do this they are broken good.. i think it's 12 lascanon shots, 72 bolter rounds (with bolter discipline) re-rolling hits re rolling wounds.. that is no joke
@@smarthandy2374 yes they do, but they have a great save and you will lose about 2 a turn.. they can usually be put of range of smites and they do an INCREDIBLE amount of damage to anything.. the re roll wound re roll hits combo will reliably double the damage output.. it's the range, the hit rate and wound rate (44% goes to 78%) the fact you can use terrain only expose yourself to what you anhiliate and the fact they have Bobby walking towards them
Am I seriously the only person who uses the custodes vexilla defensor to give centurions a 5+ invulnerable?? Jeez guys, it's an auto-include if you're using them even remotely competitively.
The codex does not say that it can have lascannons. Comes with twin link flamer, iron clad assault launcher, two seige drills with option to exchange for hurricane bolter and twin linked meltagun so this video is worthless.
Loving it! That's the loadout I've used with great success with my Imperial Fists Centurions combined with a lieutenant and a chapter master and apothecary I've named Captain Thereos of the 5th company ;) Even a fully buffed magnus usually can't stand to volume of the hurricane bolters and the lascannons especially with the beta rules of rapid fire for them helping out!
You should also strongly consider using the imperial fists vigilus formation that offers the indomitable warlord trait for 1CP to give your infantry within 6 inches of the wearer the benefits of cover if the wearer did not move that turn (4+ saves against ap-3 weapons for the centurions is just so strong) and combine that with the apothecary resurrecting on a 4+ is so satisfying.
And lastly the seismic devastation stratagem for 1CP gives the centurions mortal wounds in addition to their damage on wound rolls of 6 against vehicles. Very effective especially against Chaos Land Raiders makes the hurricane bolters even more thematically destructive!
Thank you for bringing back the fists!!! To success and honour for the chapter!
dont forget the banner as well so they shot you even when they die :)
The Vigilus Special Detachment also really helps with the unique Relic. Allowing a Captain (or even an Apothecary) to act as a Lieutenant by rerolling 1s on wound rolls can really help.
The imperial fists got whiped out in the beast arises 1 i think
Good tips! thanks:)
I wish that marines had a Captain in centurion armor...that would be amazing.
Epic Video, Good to see the Centurions getting some love back on the table. I always liked these models but pre CA18 they were just too brutally expensive.
Yes good to see them back. Yeah they were way over priced before CA18
I’ve been using these bois with my Salamanders since day 1 of 8th edition, They have been the bane of any form of heavy armor on the table at my LGS. Salamanders rerolls on lascannons are pretty good.
Same here. Include Harath Shen on your list for healing duty, and they become pretty much immortal.
heavy bolters and hurricane bolters are great for fists use bolter drill and have a captain with storm of fire nearby for maximum dakka on average EACH centurion can wipe out an entire imperial guard squad by himself
With the new imperial fists chapter tactics, 5 of these guys with HB and HB are the focal point of my army. Extra hits on 6's upgrade them to siegebreaker cohorts for 1 cp and use seismic devastation on them for moral wounds on wound roll of 6's and the can bring down almost anything.
Have the captain take the 'cover out in open' trait and you need not worry about finding the Centurions cover
I'm so glad you have done a vid on Centurions....I have just bought some of these and magnetized them all up for any loadout....I'm excited to use them but you never see them being used.....thanks
cool:)
Built my centurions as the assault variant, haven't used them for a while as I've been focused on my Orks army recently. The beta bolter rule certainly buffs them decently. Meltas are definitely the way to, flamers aren't too useful when you have hurricane bolters
Love the Centurions with that set up for going after enemy vehicles. Las cannons have an added bonus as well due to their long range it forces an opponent to dedicate his own long range firepower, commit to a deep strike to counter them or rush infantry to them. I find placing my redemptor near them works well as they can counter 2 of the 3 and wisdom of the ancients for 1 cp let’s them be a captain for the phase in case you need to move your HQs to better aid other units
cool...good tips:)
Great tactical vid - insightful and interesting. I recently got 6 of these off eBay - 3 are already built with the grav and missiles (will proxy the missiles for hurricane bolters 💪🏻) the other 3 are new in the box - I was planning on lascannons but now I am seriously considering siege drills and melta - drop them in a Stormraven with a chaplain and its goodnight any unit the come up against 😁👍🏻
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it:)
Crimson fist HB bolter/Hurricane bolter centurions will surprise you with the easiest 2+ to hit without any buff HQs, plus they tie up the opponent very well as everybody else just smokes cigars and lays down the dakka at range.
i love doing this they can absolutely mulch lighter units
Sounds good:)
i run a squad of 3 (las and hurricane bolter) raven guard with 15 scout cnipers and shrike. if theyre taking cover theyre super hard to remove. i run this to back up my deathwatch. (watch master, librarian - null zone, 2 5 man vets - blackshield, 2 combi melta 2 deathwatch frag cannons all in the blackstar. and a 3rd squad of vets blackshield 4 heavy bolter combi heavy flamer 4 terminators and a vanguard vet for a deepstrike 2nd line. got dreads to put points up) raven guard centurions with reroll to hit is enough to take out most big things. and the -1 to hit is huge along side their sheer tankyness.
also if youre worried about anythings survivability its all threat management. if you have a flyer full of stuff and drop it on their front line. no ones looking at long range stuff unless its a lord of war. you have to build a list knowing stuff is going to die. on my list with deathwatch and raven guard. its all about the flyer. the centurions and snipers is about removing all the anti tank/ anti flyer turn 1. or enough of it so the budgie survives. if i dont get turn one they have a choice. focus the blackstar or take out the centurions and snipers. worst case, the contents of the blackstar go defensive. and theyre btter at that.
id never run centurions as imperial fists. they already ignore cover
@@MrDuckAlmighty but it would look silly if he had a imperial fists army (lore heavy?) With 3 centurions from a different chapter... so the question i have is, if you would TAKE FISTS, would you use Centurions?
@@smarthandy2374 fists are good at bolter death. not sure about them lore wise. but if you really want to bolter death its deathwatch primaris. as theyre the same cost and can have ap-3 bolters.
My strategy is 3 assault centurions with meltas and hurricane bolters in a stormraven with a lieutenant, ancient, and apothecary, then an ironclad dreadnought (or any dreadnought of your choice) on the back. When you drop them into your enemy's gunline, keep them all within 6 inches of the dreadnought and use the stratagem which gives the dread a captain reroll for his buddies (and himself!) as well as the lieutenant's reroll of 1s for wounds
Then if a centurion dies in the fight phase or proceeding shooting phase he might fight or shoot again from the ancient, and you could bring him back with the apothecary
cool:)
Did anyone test dev centurions with hurricane bolters and heavy bolters + Vigilus detachment for access to the stratagem + Bolter drill stratagem?
Well thought! If you do that + Chapter Master for full reroll to hit + Vigilus relic for rerolls of 1 to wound, with hurricane bolter and 2 heavy bolters, you should average (if I did not make any mistake) 6.9 wounds per centurion against a Leman Russ tank, so 2 of them will blow one in a single turn of shooting while making their points back. And just in case, there's also the stratagem to do D3 mortal wounds with one heavy bolter.
I really like the centurion devastators and it's a cool choice, but the point cost is painful. I get a mortis contemptor with 4 autocannon and cyclone + an aggressor squad for less and they usually do work without support.
I hope you prove me wrong :)
Edit: actually since they suffer no penalty when moving I could use Strike from the shadows +standard move makes them quite mobile turn 1
Yes very expensive in points...will really need to look after them during the battle:)
Landraider Crusader with apothecary and 5 devastors with heavy bolters and huracane bolters with Emporer's Spears would be hell? Am I right?
Hell of points burning down yes but potent
on 12 inch the hurrican bolters have 2x attacks = 30 Heavy Bolter shots , 60 Hurricane shots from the Centurions , than 12 Twin Assault Cannon shots , 24 Bolter shots and maybe 1 Multimelter shot from the crusader excluding a HQ who still could fit into the LR too =127 Shots in perfect condition or 85 on 24 inch and around 650 points value
You can get them invul of 5++ if you add a forgeworld deredeo dread. Just something to think about :D
I really don't think they need the Invul save as that would only help against weapons with -4 AP. If you can keep them in cover, it should be good enough.
Hmm trying to watch ss while half cut....seems to sober me up pretty good.😃😃😃
Those robot heads like the necrons for a cheap blow off the board just to suck up some damage dodge! ☺😊😀😁😂5 Nice!
Keep the tactics videos coming. Brilliant stuff
thanks:)
With the latest chapter approved dakka centurions have come up a decent bit. The missile launchers are still a trap however. Cheapest = Best with these guys.
agreed:)
Could I run these in a blood Angel's force?
Only they are excluded from the ba codex.
No, we're not allowed them dude. I'm glad you asked that so I had to check because I was about to buy some haha.
I figure the Angel's class 4" as too slow for there close quarter combat style
I think the only way to run centurions is to take 2 squads of 3, all with las canons and hurricane bolters and take them as ultramarines keep them near guilliman and walk up the table.. if they do this they are broken good..
i think it's 12 lascanon shots, 72 bolter rounds (with bolter discipline) re-rolling hits re rolling wounds.. that is no joke
Calgar approves 😲
Its way too expensive for what they do.. they are GREAT but 3 models with only 3 wounds each... they go down too fast
@@smarthandy2374 yes they do, but they have a great save and you will lose about 2 a turn.. they can usually be put of range of smites and they do an INCREDIBLE amount of damage to anything.. the re roll wound re roll hits combo will reliably double the damage output.. it's the range, the hit rate and wound rate (44% goes to 78%) the fact you can use terrain only expose yourself to what you anhiliate and the fact they have Bobby walking towards them
A space marine inside a space marine...
Human - space marine - terminator - centurion - dreadnought - and then they released primaris.
@Liam Norconk Big deal, you see that every day around the Emperor's Children legion.
4:12 Not sure why I laughed so hard at this.
Sheesh, i can only say: good paintjob!
thanks:)
Can't wait to see the space marines make a comeback, please try using a chapter ancient with them! @strikingscorpion82
yes would be good to add one of those:)
Big Love From TURCERP
Why would you dislike the vid?
Xenos players:)
These sound like they play like a Tau battlesuit
Arent they too slow for close combat? Also not enough models per unit
Ofc the stormraven but when they kill something they cant reach the next enemy unit
sounds and looks good see as you po9st
Am I seriously the only person who uses the custodes vexilla defensor to give centurions a 5+ invulnerable?? Jeez guys, it's an auto-include if you're using them even remotely competitively.
good idea:)
The codex does not say that it can have lascannons. Comes with twin link flamer, iron clad assault launcher, two seige drills with option to exchange for hurricane bolter and twin linked meltagun so this video is worthless.
they can take las cannons mate thats how most people play them form my experience
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