Trek/Bontrager WaveCel Helmets: "Cycling’s most important change in 30 years?"
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ส.ค. 2024
- Is incorporating WaveCel technology into helmets “Cycling's most important change in 30 years"? The initial marketing claims by Trek indicated it was going to be. For the rest of us, the hype didn't match the deliverables. Now MIPS has entered the discussion questioning the claims made by Trek/Bontrager. Interesting times! Nevertheless - improvements in cycling safety are always welcomed.
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Having crashed my wavecell to destruction, I can say for certain, no head marks from the wave cells on me and it does weight 100g more but I got to live so very thankful to Bontrager, love your helmet it saved my life.
Prevented concussion?
@@mionggg Yes indeed
I can attest to this. I smashed my head on concrete while wearing a helmet with this tech. Luckily I didn’t have a concussion but I had an injured neck, bruised rips, broken clavicle, and scrapped a lot of skin off. It’s been about two months since the accident (skin barely recovered, ribs are still bruised, and my clavicle is still healing) and I have had zero issues with head.
The helmet does get hot but it saved my damn life.
If you've had a concussion, then something like this is extremely tempting. I'm debating getting one myself. If it reduced my concussion recovery time from my collision 4 months ago by even a month, it would be worth it to me. Concussion recovery is the worst. There's a lot of hype here but it's at the least an attempt in a very good direction, and if there's even a little benefit over normal foam, it has a lot of value. Not just from the helmet design itself, but from promoting this kind of development in the industry.
Shane, I like you, don't have any hair. About a month ago I crashed in a Wavecel. My head hit the asphalt hard enough to badly dent the helmet and crack it. No, it did not leave any marks on my head. It was prevented by the inter layer that is between my head and the Wavecel. The crash helmet is currently in the landfill. My experience makes me a believer. I've replaced it with an identical helmet.
I had the same though about bugs! As I too am "mature" in the hair apartment I would never consider this helmet... But the biggest oversight, no garage for the sunnies! 😱
I didn't even think of that! No sunnies garage is the real show stopper here! :)
We allllll know that extra 100 grams would (literally) be weighing heavy on your mind too!
Colton Miller 😂🤷♂️
I was going to bring up the sunnies holder problem too!! Doesn't look like a pair of sunnies would stay in, would be interesting to test
Maybe the biggest thing in cycling for the last 30 years should be defect free carbon, so you don't need to rely on a better helmet ;)
hello there, nice video. I LOVE my pink Bontrager wave cell. wish they were around in 1988 when i was riding and hit by a 66 Chevy resulting in 3 skull fractures and severe TBI. Fast forward to 2022 when I met 4 neurosurgeons who wear these helmet i Detroit's SLOW Roll. I had my left fild vision removed and wore this baby everyday, slept with it and it provided total neck support PLUS feels better than a pillow. this thing saved me from having 4 major blows because I didnt see doors opening or closing and i wore it in every shower and it saved me from hittin my head in tight spaces. I tell everyone about this helmet. I was in the Beautmont system meeting head honchos for brain injury including a woman from Eastern Michigan University who was all ears. thank you #Bontrager!!!
Reckon the aero version would be suitable for an Aussie summer? I agree that the hype is over the top, but if it starts up an arms race over safety I’m all for it.
In a world filled with inattentive drivers, I would go with the higher viz version.
The wavecel is sharp on the outside but on the inside there is a pretty thick coating over each edge to prevent the cutting youre concerned about. Still it will be interesting to see what the feedback ends up being.
I was also skeptical about no one have touched the wavecel in all those other videos.
Thankfully you did. I was expecting the material to be softer like silicon, but i guess the weight would be even more than it is now.
Thanks for clarify this for us.
I tried my new Bontrager Helmet out just this week and had the same concern's about air flow. It was brilliant,fitted well airflow very good no complaint's here.
Was this a wavecel one ?
Thanks for the sneak peek Lama. Always enjoy your videos. I like how you went into your LBS to demo it, nice touch. I just picked one of these up from my local shop. I have been involved in high speed crashes in the pack in the past and while the traditional helmets saved me each time, it definitely left me with a massive headache. I currently have a close friend and teammate who crashed hard in a MIPS helmet recently and is suffering concussion symptoms. Its a long road to recovery for him. While no one can say for sure if the wavecell would have prevented his concussion, I am not taking any chances. It was time for me to upgrade my helmet anyway so I went for it. I should add that you and I have the same barber. (i.e. the folliclely challenged) I'm not too concerned with my noggin looking like a cheese grater. I am hopeful this stuff sheers and flexes in the event of a crash. Let's hope I don't have to test the theory...
Wavecell doesn't live up to the hype and MIPS tests are higher
Whoever's Trek's hype man he's not getting paid enough...lol
So, professor, your Ph.d in industrial engineering comes from where?
Suspect that this won’t ventilate well. Smith’s ‘Koroyd’ lids were/are diabolically hot, with bugger all airflow through them at lower speeds and not much better at higher speeds.
You just killed it when you said all the bugs that are going to stick in there
It is easy to criticise the marketing but don’t lose sight of the product. Bontrager are predicting this will change the way helmets are made. Time will tell. But my experience is concussion is incredibly easy to get. A simple fall on a wet road at modest speed. Wham. Memory loss. It could happen to anyone any day. A dog, a wet road, a bogan throwing a beer bottle. After my fall I bought a MIPS helmet. The research was far from conclusive but even a small improvement would be worthwhile. I applaud Trek for thinking, researching and testing.
Chris
I was careful not to discredit the technology or progression in this area.
It looks like the study says that 2 of the people that are credited in the study are owners of WaveCell so you do have to wonder about a possible bias. Just like even if MIPS did large scale testing on WaveCell, you'd have to wonder if they had a bias. So I agree with MIPS in the article. Truly independent 3rd party testing is important. Especially when making claims like biggest thing in 30 years or 48 times lower risk of concussion. That's not to say that either company would fake or manipulate results and release data that puts cyclists at risk. Just that the possibility can exist. So supporting 3rd party research is important.
Here's to hoping more independent agencies test it. Because if this tech is as good as WaveCell claims, that is great. But I'll take it with a grain of salt since it is not truly independent research. Just like if MIPS says it is not as good as WaveCell says, I'd take that with a grain of salt. But if a couple of independent agencies do testing and agree with WaveCell, that is something to look at.
Mostly as a consumer and since my home LBS is a Trek dealer anyway and since my current helmet is still in good shape I'd assume I have 3 choices.
1) Trek's claims are inflated. It may be better but may not be drastically better. Not sure it is worth the 50% higher price than say the Ballista MIPS
2) Tech is better. But maybe not as much as their study suggests. Upgrade when my current helmet needs replaced. But wait til then.
3) Tech is every bit as good as the study claims. Upgrade now.
Having really thorough and turstworthy testing could help me figure out which of those 3 I fall in to. I will probably lean towards waiting til my helmet needs replaced and consider WaveCell then. Gives another company a chance to confirm WaveCell's results (or disprove them and then I'd change my mind). Also my wife is due for a replacement this fall anyway. Her helmet is about 2 years old and summers here in Phoenix are rough on helmets. We generally replace every 2-3 years even without a crash. She may go for a WaveCell and then at least tell me how she likes it (comfort airflow, the added weight, etc). I will say that I'm with Shane on the fit of Bontrager's helmets. Main reason I use a Ballista is it is the most comfortable helmet I've ever worn. Gives me enough airflow for Phoenix summers. Correct shape and size for me. Like the retention system and pads they use. And I have used Trek's crash replacement warranty on helmets twice and it was an easy, no questions asked thing. So between that and my home shop being a Trek dealer, I'm probably going to buy something from them as long as that shop is in business (loyal to the shop that has been there for me for years, not the manufacturer)
This may seem strange, but I always look for a sunglass "dock" with helmets now. I'm surprised how many helmets don't give any thought to this
That aint going to happen with this one chief looks like glasses are going behind your head or tucked in your jersey
ScalierSpider73 I prefer the glasses docked in my helmet. Personal preference
@@RixterNow same
I had the very same thoughts where do the sunny's go , this helmet ain't for me I'll stick to Giro
Brian Lathan I love my Giro Synth for that 😉
My XXX has a coating on the inside wavecel material. I don’t have any concerns that it would cut me.
Great video Shane! Again big claims. Had/ have a POC octal mips which saved my head already once. Doctor said it was a wonder I didn't have a concussion. Hope the hype really brings better helmets out there. For the time being I'm cautiously sceptic.
Whilst I don't disagree with the sentiment I do think it's important that helmet manufacturers try innovating from time to time rather than just trying to adhere to standards
100% with you on that. (Although there are some standards they need to meet for sale. AUS/NZ helmet standards here in Australia are pretty strict)
I was waiting for you to run flat out into that brick wall 😬
Thanks for the review, Shane. I actually thought the honeycomb was made out of silicon. That 'meat grind' comment is an interesting one and a bit of a concern
Nothing like a big shiny helmet to get Trek fans excited
But does it have Magpie deflection?
Now that'd be a neat feature!
@@nightscapephotographer6029 What are you saying, it's extra for googly eyes?
To be honest, I would be a bit surprised if the cycling industry would invent an entirely new frame material. I would say the industry is a bit on the small side to be able to fund that kind of research. I would say it's aerospace, automotive and computing that might do stuff like that. What I believe the cycling industry can do is to figure out a way to use some fairly recently invented material in a way that makes sense for bikes. Which was basically how it was with carbon frames, there were full carbon formula one cars about a decade before your LBS had a carbon bike for sale.
My inclination is to give the Virginia Tech Helmet Lab's tests a fair amount of credence. They've been testing helmets of all manner for years and have no conflict of interest in any "helmet wars". Their testing shows that Trek's Specter is slightly better than the MIPS Ballista. If the metric is the VaTech Helmet Labs ratings, then the WaveCell equipped Specter isn't that much better. With that said,VaTech's test doesn't measure an infinity of possible collision energies and velocities, so that means that such tests can't absolutely determine the absolute safety of any helmet. Still, the test results aren't as great as Trek's marketing dept. might want us to believe.
Trek's claim about a huge reduction in concessions? That's unadulterated BS. I don't know that anyone can test helmets and make such a claim.
Lastly, MIPS ( I think that's who it was) idea that perhaps WaveCell is most effective at relatively high energies is interesting. What if the energies at which Trek saw "groundbreaking" results were higher than the norm for cycling crashes or more specifically for bicycling crashes that involved head impacts? Back in the 90's (and perhaps before) there was a similar thought and debate going on in the motorcycle community. It was argued--and data supported the argument--that Snell standards were producing higher loads and injury rates in road crashes than DOT certified helmets, while on the racetrack (super bike, drag racing, and the like) the results were the reverse. Perhaps this is that moment in cycling.
Virginia Tech does the helmet testing, not UVa.
@@jimsigafoos8799 , yep I knew that but my late night cogitation circuits failed. Thanks!
Link to the USA Virginia tech University cycle helmet ratings www.helmet.beam.vt.edu/bicycle-helmet-ratings.html
Interesting. I'd like some more research before I buy one of these though. I had a mips helmet and crashed hard with it. Still got a concussion and amnesia, but makes me wonder what would have happened if I had a regular helmet...or maybe none at all
"I don't know that anyone can test helmets and make such a claim." well, mips does claim it
Marketing budget will be bigger than the manufacturing budget without doubt, serious claw back needed. As is the case with everything these days.
The XXX and Specter both look good. Looking forward to see how the dust settles between MIPS vs wave cell for real world protection. Radioactive Yellow might prevent crashes where I'm not at fault :)
Already has. Wavecell doesn't live up to the hype
Concussions scare the crap out of me so this interesting. However not sure they have the data to back this up yet.
Currently run a POC partly due to the above reasons. Have been lucky not to have a concussion to this point but have friends who have and has been a huge impact to their lives.
Which poc?
Good point about the dangers of the material for the scalp. I have the same hairstyle as you and probably wouldn't have thought about it if trying it on. Also, I always thought it was my lack of hair that made some helmets uncomfortable, but now I'm wondering if my head also has a weird shape. :-)
The extra weight ain't good. I've crashed a Lunar and that cracked on a polystyrene like section on the side. For me, as long as you're wearing something is better than nowt 👍
Agreed, it is too heavy and I feel it!
I was expecting a predominately numbers based video and nearly skipped this one. Glad I didn’t. You really touched on many of the questions I had about the helmet/materials. Thx Lama.
Among the three Mips, Koroyd and Wavecel protection technologies, Mips has limited protection when it comes to larger impacts and Wavecel similar protection to Koroyd, but with an advantage in ventilation as it is not unidirectional flow. Another point that must also be considered in the safety of helmets is their protection area. MTB helmets need greater coverage, because the soil has obstacles such as stones and roots. The area of the temple, nape and ear should also be better protected.
MIPS tests higher in every metric over the wavecell. Wavecell doesn't live up to the hype
there are mtb helmets that use a honeycomb lattice that is even more unforgiving, eg. from smith
That's Koroyd material IIRC
I think the tan lines you would get from this helmet would be quite interesting. ;-)
As for the helmet leaving a mark after a crash, I would much rather have the herringbone pattern for the rest of my life than a good looking head with TBI. Not that my head is that good looking now.
BTW, I would argue that the Kickr/Zwift (and like systems) is much more effective on preventing concussion than any new helmet.
I place a sheet of paper towel inside my helmet. Helps with sweat and no tan lines.
You severely underestimate how much your scalp is capable of bleeding. Of course... If you wanna try it out and then tell me, that would be great
Going to end up with some angry wasps trying to get out. That's a no from me.
I’m with you and have no hair. First thing in my mind was how DEEP would it cut in to my head?
I got a concussion this past weekend racing. Definitely an advocate for this technology now.
Not really. MIpS tests higher still
Totally agree with you about the overly hyped advertising.
Heavier, less ventilated and pricy.. Probably the biggest disappointment in 30 years of cycling. Great job Trek.
Definitivamente estoy de acuerdo contigo. El plástico wavecell parece demasiado afilado. La pequeña almohadilla no me parece suficiente protección en caso de impacto. Da miedo cortarse
Great vlog, thank you. I'm in the market for a new helmet and I had heard about the WaveCel (who hasn't) so this gave me lots to think about.
the green wavel cel stuff looks cool to me, very futuristic, i'd love to have a cyan or pink wavecel tho
Great video Shane. The road helmet to me looks incompatible for mounting a tail light or head light.No way to route mounting straps through all those cells.Talked to Bontrager customer service and they agreed but will take a harder look at it.
bikejack1 so I mount my lights to a wet weather helmet cover as per below so don’t have to run them through the helmet.
www.mec.ca/en/product/5024-810/Drencher-Helmet-Cover
Use a connected front rear light and have them attached to the cover. When commuting use this for when it’s getting darker otherwise it goes in backpack and i use my frame lights.
Big advantage is can slip it off and charge without needing to “connect” up the helmet.
Currently use this light system for the lid
www.mec.ca/en/product/5038-792/Vis-360-Lighting-System
Yep! That plastic grater will leave a mark I'm sure. Also, I hate straps that will not sit flat without a chokingly tight fit. A lot of good points from Trek and science can prove positive... In a laboratory. As for weight, it won't matter for shortish rides but on a long day with your head leaning forward. Hmmm!
I had the XXX version of this helmet when it released and got rid of it like an idiot about a year later because I wanted something new. After a couple of years and several new helmets, I’m buying this thing again. Why? Well for a few good reasons.
1. I have a big long head and I’ve never had a helmet fit my grape so well.
2. I sweat a lot and every other helmet sucks at managing it. It always ends up on my sunglasses at the most inopportune time and is something that is extremely unsafe. This helmet has a “no sweat” pad that is the undisputed champ of diverting sweat from the forehead. I’ve never had sweat make it to my eyewear.
3. Bees. I have terrible luck with them. The wavecel prevents them from flying in the helmet.
4. It sits low on the head. I don’t know if it’s because my head is weirdly shaped but most helmets sit high on my head. This leaves the “knowledge knot” on the back of my dome kind of exposed which is the last thing I want during an accident.
After a concussion with another MIPS helmet, I went with Bontrager Starvos and mostly like it. The strap adjustment leaves something to be desired IMO. Fortunately I've not had the occasion to actually do any crash testing with it yet, but would like to see other peoples crash reports.
I had a 40km/hr crash and landed on the back of my head; the helmet looked like it had been hit by a sledge hammer. The wave cells were distorted almost half way across the helmet. I am certain I would be either dead or have a smashed skull or brain damage. As it is no blackout or concussion which I attribute to my wavecel helmet (Bontrager Spectre). Don't wait till you have a big crash get one ASAP.
I just purchased the black Spector. Feels good on the head I don’t feel the increased weight of 70 grams over my previous one.
biggest change in 30 years ... lol .. I've would've expected at least square wheels ... Good vid as always .. tx!
I wonder if some of you have problems with air flow, I be riding twice 80 miles using the wavecell helmet on temps of 103f /39C end the heat shock is serious, hard to recover compared with my old lazer
Bought one. I'll let you know how I go.
hows it been?
I bought one because I have a right above the knee amputation which has resulted in one concussion and 2 cracked helmets. I am a physician and I love my new helmet.
I have had the Smith version of this helmet for years. Definitely not the biggest change in cycling in the last 30 years.
Smiths helmets are different.
I’m always interested in new ideas, but 300 grams is probably a dealbreaker for me.
New idea are good! But It feels too heavy to me. XXX is way heavier than my Ballista Mips. Not gonna buy it and I get Team deal.
Given that the distance between your head and outer edge of helmet remains unchanged, unless they have broken the laws of physics, I cannot see a change of the magnitude that they claim. All they can do is set a compression constant for the material that maximises energy absorption for a given impact energy (which will be too much at lower impacts and too little at higher impact magnitudes. Their claims are B.S.
cars have crumple zones which dissipate energy without increasing the length of the vehicle, same concept here
@@JogBird Sorry if I wasn't clearer, but yes foam already works as a crumple zone, via energy absorption versus deflection (crush), it further does this by dissipating energy by way of fracture (less preferred.) Both materials act in a similar way, and given the very small distances available, then the magnitude claimed in the marketing is exaggerated. That was my point. And noting that MIPS have not been able to repeat the test results of this helmet, I am suspicious of the marketing.
Appreciate your reply. :)
how do you clean the pads? Im not able to remove that part from the helmet?
I have done the research and at best cycling helmets offer little to moderate protection, tested to a falling speed of 21km/ph. No helmet is designed for a bicycle motor vehicle collision, Even if the TREK is better, than other helmets, concussion and protection will be marginal percentages more, as the design must de-accelerate the head and these are not motorbike helmets, just foam and holes.
Helmets were brought in via Victoria (Australia) over political hype related to a girls death and helmet design company promoting helmets in the 90s.
I wear a helmet, but I do believe people believe they do more than they are designed to, which is protect you from falling off your bike at medium speed.
Remember, if the helmet cracks, it has reached it’s design limit and failed to fully protect your head. If you crash and the helmet is pushed in, but not broken, it has managed to de-accelerate your head to some degree.
And Australia has has toughest Bicycle helmet STANDARDS in the world to pass, why we don’t get every helmet for sale in Australia, because they need to continual re-test batches (around 6000 AUD) and meet rotational tests as well, and some of the test require the same helmet for multiple tests.
As for doing extra tests, the question is; what extra test do you do? As no Standard sets these out.
The best test would be to get a crash test dummy put it on a bicycle, fit a helmet and collide it with a car, a car stationary, a car moving, head on, or across the bicycle, at 20, 30, 40 km/ph.
No standard or company will do this, as everyone knows the helmets can’t withstand these forces.
But these are the real world tests i would like to see done.
Motorcycle helmets are also just foam and less holes. Full face does have a strong chin bar I guess.
But yes, helmets won't help in big crashes, a slightly less sudden stop in a head, is still smushed brain or broken base.
I had an unorthodox attempt at slowing down a crash using my face. Broke my jaw, and "every bone in the face" according to the doctors. I earned 5 titanium plates in my face and 10 days in hospital. My correctly fitted helmet? Just a few scratches and the tiniest dent. I didn't get a concussion either, maybe I should have been a boxer (no brain, no pain right 😂).
I've crash tested helmets before, so I'm not saying helmets aren't useful. But you are right, they have massive limits.
Cycling Moven The real world test you need done to understand the point of helmets is what you suggested above, versus the use of no helmet at all. I don’t believe anyone expects to get away unscathed from a crash with a vehicle at say, 40km an hour. The issue isn’t simply whether the helmet will prevent injury in this circumstance but the extent to which it mitigates it. There is a significant number of accidents that don’t involve other road users or high velocity impacts. A well designed, well fitting helmet is invaluable to the rider in such circumstances because it absorbs a degree of the impact that would otherwise have to be absorbed directly by the skull. It will also diffuse the impact helping to reduce the shunting of the brain inside the cranial vault which is the mechanism of all brain injury, permanent or otherwise.
I don’t buy into the hype around “new technology” such as this or MIPS because most of it is marketing bullshit but a good quality helmet, doing the job it was designed for is an essential for all of us because it doesn’t take a high speed impact to fuck up your life completely.So whether it’s $50 or $500 this is a case where truly something is better than nothing....
I own a new WaveCel Helmet, the Specter to be exact. On June 28th, while on a charity ride I overlapped wheels (assumedly in a moment of inattention) with the rider in front of me. Needless to say, I crashed... At 23MPH my left cheek and forehead area of the helmet hit the ground first, which is 185lbs of rider, gear, and bike (which was still attached to my feet) head-diving into a pavement facial at a not-insignificant rate of speed. I was grateful to have been wearing my new WaveCel helmet, here's why. First, to address your concerns, I have some hair but what's left in my male-pattern-balding-state is cut very, very short... There were some abrasions on my scalp from the WaveCel material, but there were absolutely no "lacerations" just minimal raspberries associated with a big impact. The padding also caused lots of raspberries on my forehead from the impact, again zero actual lacerations from the helmet. What did I actually have for injuries, well in case you were wondering if I actually hit the ground with my head hard with my head? First I suffered a "Tripod Fracture" of my left cheekbone, also called a Zygomatic Plate Fracture, second I suffered a Basilar Skull Fracture. These two skull fractures sent me to the Trauma Unit, where after a number of tests, it was determined I did NOT suffer a concussion. I also had the aforementioned abrasions all over my forehead, some road rash on my cheek, and a pretty bad Subconjunctival Hemorrhage in my left eye. Every doctor I spoke over the next 24 hours to was absolutely astounded, especially when looking at the state of my helmet which had started to collapse under the pressure of the impact, that I had zero symptoms physiologically or symptomatically of a concussion! I will GLADLY replace EVERY helmet I own with a Bontrager WaveCel helmet when my budget allows. For now I am still recovering (5-weeks later) and I have some serious medical bills to pay, but paying one for follow ups regarding Concussion Protocols isn't one of them... THANK YOU TREK!
Thanks for this review. What I'm seeking is brain protection - period. My brother in law ended up with a coma in the ICU from a crash at the Hotter-than-Hell 100. No telling if a better helmet would have made the difference or not. But this incident has me spooked and put brain safety at the top of my cycling priority list so I'm in the market for the best protective helmet I can get.
this is the 3rd story like this I have heard and it is making me lean towards wavecel. 2nd story about surprised doctors, the other one I head the doctor actually went out and bought a few helmets for themselves.
Call me when someone invents a helmet that keeps sweat out of my eyes. I'll print a pile of money to pay for that!
Wear a cap.
I purchased two Endura FS260-Pro Summer Headbands from Chain Reaction Cycles (no longer available by the look of it). They work well keeping sweat out of my eyes (mesh in the middle assists evaporation) and not too unfashionable. Not sure what replacement is available
the Bell does a very good work at that
Jim, I feel your pain re sweat in your eyes when riding. I just bought a new Bontrager wavecel helmet and after 20 minutes sweat is running down the inside of my glasses and into my eyes. The sweatband in the helmet is really thin and only 16mm wide, ridiculous. What I have done is cut up a terry towel sports sweatband and glued it along the front of the inside of the helmet. I now can go about 90 minutes to 2 hours before I get sweat in my eyes. I have done this with all my helmets and it works well. All manufacturers of helmets need to address this as we are not all sweat free super athletes
Got mine a year ago (Kline) this is an obvious borrowing of they're honeycomb design-I love it very nice
Excelent review, thanks. No way I am adding 100g more, as I love climbing hills this piece is a no no 👎 for me. My bontraguer MIPS is just fine.
Trek/Bontrager aren't even the one's that did the studies/testing. It was all independently ran. I could understand MIPS or anyone trying to argue that the statistics may be exaggerated or even false claims, but why would a reputable University make claims on Treks behalf? I personally don't think arguing the studies is a good route for MIPS to go down. But then again, I have the XXX Wavecel in white and I've been absolutely loving it. Lol.
Not all independent..... but data is data. If it's repeatable and factual, I don't mind where it comes from.
"Some of the authors (MB, SMM) are co-inventors of CELL technology described in this manuscript, have filed patents, and have a financial interest in the company that owns this technology. These authors (MB, SMM) are founders and co-directors of the Legacy
Biomechanics Laboratory. Several of the authors (EB, AR, ST, SMM,
MB) are affiliated with the Legacy Health System, which was a partial
funder of this research. None of the authors received any money or inkind contribution for this work."
Inglorious bastards style: let's give him something of an in print
Regardless of what new material they have and how effective it would be, I am disappointed that a new helmet release in 2019 from a major manufacturer does not include inbuilt front & rear lights (yes it adds weight), but may also reduce that initial chance of an accident.
They'd need to be well designed low profile / strip lights. Adding any solid bulk to a helmet will compromise compression (which is the #1 goal of a helmet).
Helmets offer some protection from glancing blows and may even prevent or lessen concussions from this type of blow. They protect against cracking your scull. With direct blows to the head concussions are mostly caused by your brain bouncing around in your scull like a bb from sudden forceful deceleration. No helmet can protect against this type of damage. Not MIPS or wavy plastic liners. It’s mostly marketing hype to sell a new product! A helmet is still a good idea. If you hit your head it keeps your scull from breaking and getting pushed into your brain!
....uh no that is the point of mips.... to slow the sudden deceleration of a impact by giving a area and material to deaden the impact....
granted it would kill airflow they should have put a thin layer of gel or something over the bottom of the wavecel so it doesnt dig into you if you crash on it.
MIPS folks are not impressed. EPS helmets have never left me down. But my new Sweet Protection ski helmet has MIPS
ok, but does it have to be green though
On the cyclists helmets must throw a load of 22.5 kilograms from a height of 180 centimeters. That's how bicycle forks are checked.
Went down to cycle scape today for the first time today (good shop) and checked these out. What I noticed. If you have a beard the strap you will love.
Hipster certified? That's a marketing line right there! ;)
how long should a helmet be used before replacing them, sans crashes?
Debated long and 'ard.... some say every 12-24 months. Some say until it crashes. Mine seem to disintegrate with all the sunscreen and sweat (yeah, I should wash the whole helmet more).
Trek says three years or after any impact. Which ever comes first.
Where do you stick your sunglasses?
On 'yo face! ;) But good question. There is no 'sunnies garage' as Rides of Japan pointed out. Not something that occurred to me in-store.
Hi Shane
I wanted to know is there a website I could goto to see what helmets are good and which ones are not? I do a lot of mountain biking and always looking for a good helmet
Thank you
Will
I'm not aware of any such site. Like bikes, they're all a little different. Suitability is subjective. Even aerodynamics of helmets can depend on the rider and their head position on the bike.
Saw one of these helmets in a shop. It seemed a bit heavy.
Discussed in the video. It is, and it matters. Maybe not enough to stop people buying it (which is all good in my books if they want)... It's also an area they could improve on in the future.
Shane Miller - GPLama thanks for the video. Yeah, I made the comment before the end of the video. Great minds think alike 😀👍
I’m sold to this. Bought it. Waiting for it to come in
There are pads between the head and the green cheese grater that prevent scratching just from simply sitting on your head during a ride. But I can imagine after a crash your head is going to look like a char grilled steak after an impact even if it does (reportedly) dissipate energy in an impact.
As for aerodynamics, I bet that helmet sucks balls. I've used training devices (golf and baseball) that use a similar type of porous or vented material to increase aerodynamic drag to increase swing speed, (which is how Trek should have marketed this helmet)
Trek Spokesman: "It's a great training device. Much better and safer than strapping a small parachute to your back to give your legs a proper workout."
Did those guys in the design room ever even get on a bike and listen to how informative, yet cynical and opinionated cyclists are concerning new tech? "Hey, look at that guy. He's wearing an aero helmet while training. He looks like an idiot. What does he think this is? A Triathlon? I bet he has a dork disc on his bike too. What a noob!"
If I would have been in the meeting room when this was presented I would have shot it down in a heartbeat.
Me: "Is it aerodynamic?"
Engineer 1: "Ummmm, not really."
Me: "Is it light?"
Engineer 2: "Nope!"
Me: "Will it catch and store honey bees and yellow jackets in your helmet until you stop and roll on the ground in agony?"
Engineer 3: "Yep"
Me: "Alrighty then. This helmet we have here is a device for Masochists. Do we have a connection in the BDSM community that we can market this to? And can anyone suggest a way to make it more salable? A new color, or some alterations to it?"
Engineer 4: "Ummm, I think with a suction cup and a bottle of WD40 we can connect 1 of those dildoes to the top."
Me: "I like the way you think Engineer 4. You have been promoted to Chief Engineer. Draw one of those up and email me a pic by 10am California time. I've gotta catch a flight to San Fran to show those freaks our idea before the investors get a whiff of this."
Looked neat, best in 30 years? Probably not. I will at least look at them when I am in the market for new helmey
It looks like something off the Walmart shelf. Most helmet brands boast on ventilation, not Trek! lets fill in all the vent holes, cut air circulation, fill it with funny green stuff, & make it heavier! It will never fly Trek! Waist of time and money!
clip is the same Assos used
Shape looks perfect for you
Isn't everthing overhyped. As long as a business has a marketing department they'll want to make you buy their product over the hundreds of others in the space. 10 years from now the same companies will be making the same claims among even more choices. A company will never innovate itself out of business. What's important I think is like he said imprints on the head for a crash. I've luckily never had a crash but I imagine it can be quite serious even if not for the fins cutitng into your head. Though depending on how it's engineered (hopefully quite cleverly) it might account for that, but yes, a fleshy mannequin result might be better to understand if it causes some superficial scaring.
Will sweat and uv degrade the material used over time? If it hardens over prolonged use then it's theoretical abilities will change and most likely not for the better.
I'l,l wait til its not overpriced. had a wreck last summer and my helmet worked just fine.
Take the air holes, cover them with honeycomb. Might be safer in a crash, but brain will have already boiled.
What helmets do you recommend for long oval shaped heads?
The Specialized range suit my egg well.
@@gplama evade?
@@reyes2581 Yep. I'm using the Evade and Prevail II at the moment.
Shane you missed the whole point. You and every other cycling review artist on social media are going to be used by TREK to advance the controversy of their new product. Remember; any new is still news, it makes people think and hear the work TREK. The helmet really doesn't matter.
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Checkmate. I've exploited their marketing, used them as a keyword, published a video... and talked about what I was interested in... what it felt like to poke and prod, and to put one on my head and feel what it was like. This literally puts food on my table in a week where I haven't published a lot of content here on TH-cam while I'm out testing power meters and smart trainers.
Smith tried something similar called hexcore or something like that. Terrible design. I feel they don't have as much airflow as a fully open channeled helmet.
@ Ben Wright - Koroyd . Crappy airflow for bicycle helmets.
I’m guessing the trek team will be using it
It'll be interesting to see if they do... especially in high mountain stages going for GC.
That's what I've heard. They're using it as of this release.
@@DavidWard14 Well Trek-Segafredo haven't been winning much anyway. Why not put an extra 100 grams on your head over the course of several thousand kilometers...
@@dangurtler7177 Yes, if it helps protect your brain more thoroughly then it's a no brainer (pardon the pun).
I like my Bontrager Starrvos WaveCel helmet with regular fastener for $119 US, 8/21.
The '97 Bell helmet I was wearing suffered major damage after hitting a car. ER trip with a concussion and arm that wouldn't function. If you have an incident with a car you'll probably get a concussion.
The WaveCel feels fine where it contacts my head. It's not sharp on either side. The Bell was lighter but I've never noticed the Bontrager's increased weight while riding. Ventilation is far better and the turnbuckle allows different headgear to be worn. Sweatband works reasonably well. Trek gave me 30 days to return it if I didn't like it, that's hard to beat.
I had to go check it out too. I'm a huge fan of the bontrager brand but I don't think that this helmet is the one for me. I also am folicly impaired so the thought of having my head meat extruded out of the cool wave shape like t playdough barber shop toy is not exactly appealing. I really did like the new magnetic clips. I would buy that as a stand alone product in a heartbeat.
Trek worked very closely with Virginia Tech, who have one of the best if not the best helmet testing and rating facilities, for over 4 years to design this helmet. I personally don't think this is marketing bullshit, just hard facts.
I don't dispute their data. I disagree with their marketing. Different things.
@@gplama Totally agree, some people are misinterpreting the whole thing but, if you put the overhype aside I think it is pretty great.
Any update on the safety claims?
Have a look at the Virginia Tech results. I do not think that the MIPS results have been published yet, which they promised back in 2019, so I suspect that MIPS know that the Wavecell outperforms both their own systems and the Koroyd. I think Wavecel is a very safe bet. I suspect V Tech are just too narrow with their design parameters, and holistic testing would show that the Wavecel is an very outstanding product indeed.
Plaintiff Andrew Glancy of Dutchess County filed a suit with the Southern District of New York against Trek's claims earlier this year. I think he wants over $5 million. However, I am minded to think that this law suit is potentially quite opportunistic and that Trek will potentially be able to defend against these claims. It is a pity, because I think it is breakthrough technology, but I just wanted to make you aware. I have no doubts that Wavecel is the greatest innovation in the last 30 years, and that these are the safest helmets, so I WILL CERTAINLY be getting one. I have see all of the videos, forum posts and data, and I think they are superb. Look at the weight ranges, and consider whether you need the round, European or Asian head model. They actually come in different shapes.
@@SC-hk6ui well the they are still among Vtechs top performing helmets so at least we know how they perform under their tests. Hoping for more data to be released in the future. I got the round fit and it fits me well.
@@mionggg Cool. I've just ordered one too. I'll keep an eye out for the court findings, but I suspect that the case action lawsuit will be inadmissible because nobody seems to be coming forwards with any injuries. If anything, that shows that they are far safer than anybody thought, but as you say, a 5 star VTech helmet is already exceptional. To me they have massive wins because they also help to prevent penetration injuries, and work at far higher impacts because they adsorb the forces. Happy riding buddy :-)
OK cool thanks. But what is the best Zwift compatible treadmill? Cheers
No idea sorry. This video is about a helmet.... not a requirement when running indoors. ;)
Virginia Tech I believe…… did an independent review and test. They also test football 🏈 helmets. And they concluded it a safe helmet. With a 5 star rating . I think they also review Nips. And only by a few percent points. Wavecell was better
And where you put your glasses? No, this is not mine...
Looks like allot of drag.
I think we need more protection in road cyling..
When this technology is us d in moto helmets by Arai or Shoei, then I will trust it. For now, I will put my trust in multi-density eps. I’m not even certain that MIPs has truly proven to be of benefit outside of the MIPs lab, but at least those little suspenders won’t be cutting into anyone’s scalp upon impact.